January 15, 2025 • 22 mins
Where in the world is Judah? He is on a Mission to Mars. Here he escorts us on that journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
My name is Judah Epstein, an adventurer from Texas, and
I am on the journey with Nevil d'angevier.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We are stepping across the universe. I'm your host, Nevil d'angelou.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I am a student athlete Brandon Fogland.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome on the journey.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We need fascinating people with novel solutions to life's tricky
little problem. And we play a few games too, right yep.
We track the remarkable heros and unforgettable characters of three
classic books, Sound By Life, Flight of the Fused Monkeys,
and Illicent Time to Begin Again, all of which you
(00:54):
can find on Amazon and Barnes and Noble digital versions too.
It's time to grab few copies for your journey.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I think the ISS is the greatest human endeavor ever
in the history of the world in terms of complexity
and the challenges that are brought with their complexity.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Two decades ago, the Cold War was still going on,
and here we are working with the Russians, the Americans,
the Japanese, the Europeans, everybody working together, and it seems
that it's a far better thing to be doing than
we were doing sixty years ago. It gives us the
chance to do programs that we couldn't do all by ourselves,
and it gives us the chance to or to learn
(01:42):
how different people work, how different cultures work together, and
how we can cooperate and produce something as magnificent as
the is up.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I'm all themand.
Speaker 7 (01:57):
Like stepping on stones across the screen, humans have started
to take small steps across the universe in the stream
of time. The International Space Station is just one small step.
All the lessons, good and bad that we learn on
space station will benefit us as we look toward longer
(02:18):
missions away from Earth. Some of the biggest lessons learned
from the design, development and assembly of the International Space
Station are those of peaceful cooperation among nations.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
It would be impossible for any single country to do
what we're doing here on space station, but as a team,
we're pulling for a higher good, and that higher good
is to learn to explore, to learn to push frontiers,
to learn.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
To move out.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
And that's really what cooperation brings us. And I can't
think of a better example than the Thin Space Station.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
When you look forward, humans will continue to explore in
lower Earth orbit, on journeys back to the Moon to Mars,
to asteroids and beyond. But wherever we go, the International
Space Station is improving our lives on Earth now and
cementing our first real foothold for working and living in space.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We are going to Mars. By the time children being
born this very minute graduate with their masters and doctoral
degrees in math, physics, and the sciences, we will be
on Mars. But why Mars. It's about thirty five million
miles away from US at its closest approach, and it
is a dry, frozen desert. So why Mars. Chris McKay
(03:38):
is a planetary scientist at NASA Aimes Research Center, and
he says it's not because of anything that's there today.
So I guess this question still stands. Why Mars. There is,
of course evidence that Mars had water, lots of it
at one time, rivers, lakes, probably even an ocean. It's
(04:01):
very possible that Mars not only had water early in
its history, it is very possible that it was quite
wet at the very time Earth began entertaining life. That
similarity water on Earth water on Mars is about i'd
say one third of the reason we're heading there. But
what happened to all that water? On Mars. You might ask,
(04:24):
who drank it all up? Well, that's a searching question,
isn't it. I happen to think it's a wonderful thing
that there are folks with the curiosity and brilliance to
search out such things. Look at where we are today
because people are curious and brilliant. So why Mars? It's
(04:47):
one of the terrestrial planets, along with Earth and Venus.
It formed from roughly the same materials as Earth. It
has carbon, water, nitrogen essentials. I think, In other words,
Mars has everything we need for it to sustain life
except one thing, liquid water. And of course there's evidence
(05:12):
that it had lots of liquid water. So what really
happened there? What happened on Mars? Where diverse lots on Earth?
Aren't we People react in different ways when they confront
things they don't understand. How do you react when you
confront something you don't understand, a problem that has not
(05:35):
yet known to have been solved. I haven't think it
is pretty cool that some folks look at things like
that and say, that's a real cool problem. I want
to solve it, and then they go about doing just that.
I think it's really really cool Mars is a pretty
(05:55):
cool problem to solve.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Today, our guest is Judah Epstein, an adventurer like me,
He was also a student athlete. You know him as
Jungle Judah. Those of you who have been following us
on the Jaguar Pup Show would recall him from the
game he used to play called Where in the World
Is Judah. However, today he is back as the crew
commander of the Mars Mission Research Program.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Welcome back, Judah, and thank you Brandon. Last time Judah
was here, he took us from Plano to Poland, to
the putty people in Uganda, and the time before that,
of course, he took us through that thrilling journey through
the Amazon Jungle. He has a deep interest in exploration,
and today he's back as a coup commander. I'm going
(06:50):
to start by asking him to tell us a little
bit about the Mars Desert Research Station.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's a scientific research expedition that's simulating simulating an environment
on on on Mars. So it's a it's it's it's
it's it's located in the in the desert in Utah,
and they have a station there that's the same topic
of of of station or have a habitat that would actually.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Be on on March.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So it's run by the Marsh Society in collaboration with
NASA is involved. So the purpose of it is to
do scientific research for future future planning for actual Mars missions.
So they have a crew of six six people that
that go there for for two weeks at a time.
So they do that. They have the experiments every every
(07:44):
year and in the winter for for several months, and
crew cruise rotate for two weeks at a time. And
and and they performed scientific experiments at the at the station,
and it's a self sustaining hab that has power at
the have and and and we run.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You have for example a crew.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Biologist, a geologist and maybe an astronomer. We have the
Musk Observatory with a high powered telescope for observations and
experiments with with with the stars. And whenever we go outside,
because we're similating as though we're on Mars, we have
these mock or space routes that we wear. So so
that's going on in e V A. So whenever we
(08:24):
go outside for for research purposes, that's the e V
an extra extra v particular activity. So if we want
to go collect a rock sample, for example, to look
for extremopiles, which could be an example like an endo file,
which is a type of bacteria that lives in an
extreme environment, for example in in in a rock, or
(08:45):
a halo file that lives in various high salty conditions.
There's there are types of extreme life that that that
that that could that they're they're on on Earth and
they can research in these types of of of life
can be indicative. I'm trying finding life on other planets.
So whenever we want to we want to go outside
(09:05):
and look for a stream about then we need to
shoot up and put it eat and with the space
and go out on the e v A, just as
though we were.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Actually on Mars. Know what what made you go to
this project? Obviously, in a sense this is a silly
question because you've done such so many fascinating things. But
what drew you particularly to the Mars research?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I am I'm interested in in in exploration and
exploring new areas, new environments, and and exploring to exploring
to to to planets outside of Earth. That seems like
the ultimate level of of of of exploration is interplanetary space.
(09:52):
So I don't have the opportunity right now go to
Mars so I can do maybe the next beast thing
and goad stimulate a scientific explanation simulation lunch.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So what what have you done? I know that you've
made several trips there, right, so what what do you
do when you go there?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The first time I went, I went as a crew
engineer and an executive officers. So as as crew engineer,
my responsibility was was mostly the upkeep of of the
head and all the equipment and and and for for
for rovers, we have a t VS that so we
can go further distance from the have for to to
(10:30):
explore and look on the areas and so so my
major responsibility was was upkeepability equipment and and and the
power systems and the a t vs and and and
the and the research equipment so the science so that
basically so that the scientists could could effectively conduct their
experiments that they're not worried about about making about about
(10:53):
fixing the equipment. They're just worried about using the equipment
to get the data they need. So if the equipment
is not functional, not fully fund and then they can't
get the day to they need for their research. So
my responsibility was basically to make sure everything's working so
so to to support the research of the scientists. And
then and then I went again later as as as
as crew commander and and and.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That was basically.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Organizing all that that the research projects and helping out
with everything the research and helping out with engineering. I
went again another time this as crew commander and also
was health and safety officer.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That my my my AMT medical certification.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I also brought my hey scientific experiment of water
water filtration. That's actually what I what I did for
my the project that I did from my thesis project
for my master's degree in in in Geoscientists. It was
a sedimentary water filtration and a planetary environment. So we
because as uh so wet at the have we have
(11:54):
a water filtration system too to uh to filter the
gray water for for for reuse. So it's what it's
a it's a a hydroponic wetland system that's currently at
the Mars station. And I made these are slow sand
water filters. So I made the filters and used different
(12:16):
different media of the of the local martian regularly local
soil and also a martian a simulant of of actual
Martian regularly. And so I made these these these these
filters and implementing them at the research station and and
and tested the water values and compared the water values
(12:36):
that that and compared how how well these slow sand
filters filtered the water as compared to the current systems.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So where do you think we're going from here?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
There's there, there's there's a lot of different different different options,
a lot of a lot of different I mean, I don't,
I don't I don't have the definite answer. I don't
know if anybody has definite answer. And I'm and in
the in the top people on NASA or the governments
just acting that the more than governments aciding where's the
(13:10):
the future of NASA? But actually it's not just NASA now,
we're actually moving having more private private companies involved in
in space space exploration, so there could be more opportunity
with that and in terms of where we would explore
and outer space, and you you mentioned the Moon and Mars.
They're talking about going to an asteroid, so there's probably
(13:35):
probably one of one of those three. But I mean,
I can't, I can't give a definite answer. And then
it could be more involvement with with that private companies also.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
No, given given those that you mentioned, if you were
to get a chance to go and explore out there,
which one would you choose if all were possible right
of the same time, and.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
No, I choose Mars that the most most Definitely that
that would seem I mean that you know, any any
of those three would be It would be an incredible
opportunity for exploration. The Moon, I mean, yeah, we visited
it before, but we've won't We've seen a little bit
of it, We've done limited amount of exploration, but but
it seems like the most new frontier where we could
(14:20):
find find most most more more more new possibilities for
for for life or or or resources would be uh marsh,
I mean that that's that would be the more that
that at least on a splore. So so we don't
any longer consider more as the death planet. Do you
(14:42):
think is so? I mean there's there's been found down
traces of of of water. I mean there might not
be actual surface water currently there, but there's there's there's
been found sources of water in any erosion water feature
and and I locked up. So there's there's and whethers
(15:05):
and with water that could equal potential for life.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So do you do you think the research is likely
to be more to see if there is life, more
to see if we get resources to assist us here
on Earth, or more for us an opportunity for us
to move up to Mars. We're you know, where's the
(15:29):
research heading or we're just kind of just probing to
see what's there.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I mean, there's there, there's research, and and you all
three of those opportunities, and I'm not sure which one
would be the most dominant.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean, it depends.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Who who you're asking. And seem like a lot of
people are interested to learn is their life on another planet?
I don't, And but that that the resources actually provide
more more economic potential, and I think that that life
is more more more curiosity potential and and then potential
for for self self sustaining of the human race. That
(16:03):
can be talking about more about about going to live
on Mars cultivated the land.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
When we return, we will talk to Judas some more
about his role as crew commander of the Mars Desert
Research Station. Let me take this chance to remind you
that you can find a number of additional links about Mars, Society,
(16:39):
about NASA and the Mars Mission, and other information on
our blogue match Box Mystery dot WordPress dot com. Again,
the Journey's blog is match Box Mystery, which is one
word match Box Mystery dot WordPress dot com. And for
(17:00):
this episode you can click on the post not a
Drop to drink. Today's standing question is what is in
your water? Our programs are available free of charge on iTunes.
(17:23):
You can listen to it, of course, on your iPhone,
your iPad, and your laptop. As Brandon mentioned before, we
are also tracking on the journey three classic books. Those
are as Sounds Bye Life, Flight of the Fused Monkeys,
and Ill Set A Time to Begin Again, all of
(17:43):
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(18:04):
question is, of course, what is in your water? Let's
return back to our guests. Today, crew commander to the
Epstein and find out a little bit about what he does.
As the crew commander of the Mars does a C
research station, or we.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Had crews of six six people and a different scientist
did did did different experiments. For example, we had a
crew biologists measuring I'm looking for for hablo files for
live samples, and an astronomers looking for and doing research
on the stars with with the telescope and and and
(18:47):
and the engineering that the upkeep of the have. And
then for example, I was I was working on on
on my experiment the uh the water water filtration experiment.
So just coordinating what everybody's really search making, making the
schedules and the and the timelines and the equipment, making
sure ever is operational, organizing the e v as for
(19:07):
when we're going out and conducting research outside.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And what what was the outcome of your experiment? Was
the final outcome of your experiments?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That the outcome of of of my water water film
tradition experiment, the the water was was pretty well filtered,
and it was it was it was comparable to to
the to the wetland system that actually had had had
some some features such as tds that that that that
were filtered better than than the wetland system. But what
(19:41):
was actually determined was that was that the that the
best method would probably be a combination of of of
utilizing the existing system and adding on the the component
of my system and use pretty much using the best
of each search to to have have the most most
most effective system. But one of the things that I
(20:04):
really liked about about that that got me interested in
in in in in how I developed my water filtration
system is that it doesn't require any any power input
or or or electrical input. And that's actually one of
the things looking at with with with this research with
was actually using maybe utilizing it as as a backup
(20:24):
system because there are there are better water filtration systems
that that that that can filter out more more contaminants.
But but but but they're a lot more hot uh
hot hot higher technology and if the power fails or
equipment fails, but the esposally on filter it's an age
old proven technology is basically just filtering the water through
(20:46):
through through sand and a biological layer of forms on
top to help purify the the the contaminants. So so
it's it's that one of the major uses that it
would be as as as a backup water filtration system.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Fascinating fascinating. I find it to be so very fascinating. Technology, economics,
and the spirit of any people impact how we progress
in these areas of exploration, whether it's explanation on Earth,
beneath Earth, are into outer space. A long, long, long
(21:30):
time ago, an early explorer Potolemy, one of the greats
in his day, said this, I know that I am
mortal by nature and ephemeral. But when I trace at
my pleasure the windings to and fro of the heavenly bodies,
(21:50):
I no longer touch Earth with my feet. I stand
in the presence of Zeus himself and take my fill
of ambrosia. Who of the gods? However, a standing question remains,
(22:15):
what is in your warner
My name is Judah Epstein, an adventurer from Texas, and
I am on the journey with Nevil d'angevier.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We are stepping across the universe. I'm your host, Nevil d'angelou.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I am a student athlete Brandon Fogland.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome on the journey.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We need fascinating people with novel solutions to life's tricky
little problem. And we play a few games too, right yep.
We track the remarkable heros and unforgettable characters of three
classic books, Sound By Life, Flight of the Fused Monkeys,
and Illicent Time to Begin Again, all of which you
(00:54):
can find on Amazon and Barnes and Noble digital versions too.
It's time to grab few copies for your journey.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I think the ISS is the greatest human endeavor ever
in the history of the world in terms of complexity
and the challenges that are brought with their complexity.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Two decades ago, the Cold War was still going on,
and here we are working with the Russians, the Americans,
the Japanese, the Europeans, everybody working together, and it seems
that it's a far better thing to be doing than
we were doing sixty years ago. It gives us the
chance to do programs that we couldn't do all by ourselves,
and it gives us the chance to or to learn
(01:42):
how different people work, how different cultures work together, and
how we can cooperate and produce something as magnificent as
the is up.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I'm all themand.
Speaker 7 (01:57):
Like stepping on stones across the screen, humans have started
to take small steps across the universe in the stream
of time. The International Space Station is just one small step.
All the lessons, good and bad that we learn on
space station will benefit us as we look toward longer
(02:18):
missions away from Earth. Some of the biggest lessons learned
from the design, development and assembly of the International Space
Station are those of peaceful cooperation among nations.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
It would be impossible for any single country to do
what we're doing here on space station, but as a team,
we're pulling for a higher good, and that higher good
is to learn to explore, to learn to push frontiers,
to learn.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
To move out.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
And that's really what cooperation brings us. And I can't
think of a better example than the Thin Space Station.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
When you look forward, humans will continue to explore in
lower Earth orbit, on journeys back to the Moon to Mars,
to asteroids and beyond. But wherever we go, the International
Space Station is improving our lives on Earth now and
cementing our first real foothold for working and living in space.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We are going to Mars. By the time children being
born this very minute graduate with their masters and doctoral
degrees in math, physics, and the sciences, we will be
on Mars. But why Mars. It's about thirty five million
miles away from US at its closest approach, and it
is a dry, frozen desert. So why Mars. Chris McKay
(03:38):
is a planetary scientist at NASA Aimes Research Center, and
he says it's not because of anything that's there today.
So I guess this question still stands. Why Mars. There is,
of course evidence that Mars had water, lots of it
at one time, rivers, lakes, probably even an ocean. It's
(04:01):
very possible that Mars not only had water early in
its history, it is very possible that it was quite
wet at the very time Earth began entertaining life. That
similarity water on Earth water on Mars is about i'd
say one third of the reason we're heading there. But
what happened to all that water? On Mars. You might ask,
(04:24):
who drank it all up? Well, that's a searching question,
isn't it. I happen to think it's a wonderful thing
that there are folks with the curiosity and brilliance to
search out such things. Look at where we are today
because people are curious and brilliant. So why Mars? It's
(04:47):
one of the terrestrial planets, along with Earth and Venus.
It formed from roughly the same materials as Earth. It
has carbon, water, nitrogen essentials. I think, In other words,
Mars has everything we need for it to sustain life
except one thing, liquid water. And of course there's evidence
(05:12):
that it had lots of liquid water. So what really
happened there? What happened on Mars? Where diverse lots on Earth?
Aren't we People react in different ways when they confront
things they don't understand. How do you react when you
confront something you don't understand, a problem that has not
(05:35):
yet known to have been solved. I haven't think it
is pretty cool that some folks look at things like
that and say, that's a real cool problem. I want
to solve it, and then they go about doing just that.
I think it's really really cool Mars is a pretty
(05:55):
cool problem to solve.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Today, our guest is Judah Epstein, an adventurer like me,
He was also a student athlete. You know him as
Jungle Judah. Those of you who have been following us
on the Jaguar Pup Show would recall him from the
game he used to play called Where in the World
Is Judah. However, today he is back as the crew
commander of the Mars Mission Research Program.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Welcome back, Judah, and thank you Brandon. Last time Judah
was here, he took us from Plano to Poland, to
the putty people in Uganda, and the time before that,
of course, he took us through that thrilling journey through
the Amazon Jungle. He has a deep interest in exploration,
and today he's back as a coup commander. I'm going
(06:50):
to start by asking him to tell us a little
bit about the Mars Desert Research Station.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's a scientific research expedition that's simulating simulating an environment
on on on Mars. So it's a it's it's it's
it's it's located in the in the desert in Utah,
and they have a station there that's the same topic
of of of station or have a habitat that would actually.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Be on on March.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So it's run by the Marsh Society in collaboration with
NASA is involved. So the purpose of it is to
do scientific research for future future planning for actual Mars missions.
So they have a crew of six six people that
that go there for for two weeks at a time.
So they do that. They have the experiments every every
(07:44):
year and in the winter for for several months, and
crew cruise rotate for two weeks at a time. And
and and they performed scientific experiments at the at the station,
and it's a self sustaining hab that has power at
the have and and and we run.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You have for example a crew.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Biologist, a geologist and maybe an astronomer. We have the
Musk Observatory with a high powered telescope for observations and
experiments with with with the stars. And whenever we go outside,
because we're similating as though we're on Mars, we have
these mock or space routes that we wear. So so
that's going on in e V A. So whenever we
(08:24):
go outside for for research purposes, that's the e V
an extra extra v particular activity. So if we want
to go collect a rock sample, for example, to look
for extremopiles, which could be an example like an endo file,
which is a type of bacteria that lives in an
extreme environment, for example in in in a rock, or
(08:45):
a halo file that lives in various high salty conditions.
There's there are types of extreme life that that that
that that could that they're they're on on Earth and
they can research in these types of of of life
can be indicative. I'm trying finding life on other planets.
So whenever we want to we want to go outside
(09:05):
and look for a stream about then we need to
shoot up and put it eat and with the space
and go out on the e v A, just as
though we were.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Actually on Mars. Know what what made you go to
this project? Obviously, in a sense this is a silly
question because you've done such so many fascinating things. But
what drew you particularly to the Mars research?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I am I'm interested in in in exploration and
exploring new areas, new environments, and and exploring to exploring
to to to planets outside of Earth. That seems like
the ultimate level of of of of exploration is interplanetary space.
(09:52):
So I don't have the opportunity right now go to
Mars so I can do maybe the next beast thing
and goad stimulate a scientific explanation simulation lunch.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So what what have you done? I know that you've
made several trips there, right, so what what do you
do when you go there?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The first time I went, I went as a crew
engineer and an executive officers. So as as crew engineer,
my responsibility was was mostly the upkeep of of the
head and all the equipment and and and for for
for rovers, we have a t VS that so we
can go further distance from the have for to to
(10:30):
explore and look on the areas and so so my
major responsibility was was upkeepability equipment and and and the
power systems and the a t vs and and and
the and the research equipment so the science so that
basically so that the scientists could could effectively conduct their
experiments that they're not worried about about making about about
(10:53):
fixing the equipment. They're just worried about using the equipment
to get the data they need. So if the equipment
is not functional, not fully fund and then they can't
get the day to they need for their research. So
my responsibility was basically to make sure everything's working so
so to to support the research of the scientists. And
then and then I went again later as as as
as crew commander and and and.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That was basically.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Organizing all that that the research projects and helping out
with everything the research and helping out with engineering. I
went again another time this as crew commander and also
was health and safety officer.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That my my my AMT medical certification.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I also brought my hey scientific experiment of water
water filtration. That's actually what I what I did for
my the project that I did from my thesis project
for my master's degree in in in Geoscientists. It was
a sedimentary water filtration and a planetary environment. So we
because as uh so wet at the have we have
(11:54):
a water filtration system too to uh to filter the
gray water for for for reuse. So it's what it's
a it's a a hydroponic wetland system that's currently at
the Mars station. And I made these are slow sand
water filters. So I made the filters and used different
(12:16):
different media of the of the local martian regularly local
soil and also a martian a simulant of of actual
Martian regularly. And so I made these these these these
filters and implementing them at the research station and and
and tested the water values and compared the water values
(12:36):
that that and compared how how well these slow sand
filters filtered the water as compared to the current systems.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So where do you think we're going from here?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
There's there, there's there's a lot of different different different options,
a lot of a lot of different I mean, I don't,
I don't I don't have the definite answer. I don't
know if anybody has definite answer. And I'm and in
the in the top people on NASA or the governments
just acting that the more than governments aciding where's the
(13:10):
the future of NASA? But actually it's not just NASA now,
we're actually moving having more private private companies involved in
in space space exploration, so there could be more opportunity
with that and in terms of where we would explore
and outer space, and you you mentioned the Moon and Mars.
They're talking about going to an asteroid, so there's probably
(13:35):
probably one of one of those three. But I mean,
I can't, I can't give a definite answer. And then
it could be more involvement with with that private companies also.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
No, given given those that you mentioned, if you were
to get a chance to go and explore out there,
which one would you choose if all were possible right
of the same time, and.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
No, I choose Mars that the most most Definitely that
that would seem I mean that you know, any any
of those three would be It would be an incredible
opportunity for exploration. The Moon, I mean, yeah, we visited
it before, but we've won't We've seen a little bit
of it, We've done limited amount of exploration, but but
it seems like the most new frontier where we could
(14:20):
find find most most more more more new possibilities for
for for life or or or resources would be uh marsh,
I mean that that's that would be the more that
that at least on a splore. So so we don't
any longer consider more as the death planet. Do you
(14:42):
think is so? I mean there's there's been found down
traces of of of water. I mean there might not
be actual surface water currently there, but there's there's there's
been found sources of water in any erosion water feature
and and I locked up. So there's there's and whethers
(15:05):
and with water that could equal potential for life.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So do you do you think the research is likely
to be more to see if there is life, more
to see if we get resources to assist us here
on Earth, or more for us an opportunity for us
to move up to Mars. We're you know, where's the
(15:29):
research heading or we're just kind of just probing to
see what's there.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I mean, there's there, there's research, and and you all
three of those opportunities, and I'm not sure which one
would be the most dominant.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean, it depends.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Who who you're asking. And seem like a lot of
people are interested to learn is their life on another planet?
I don't, And but that that the resources actually provide
more more economic potential, and I think that that life
is more more more curiosity potential and and then potential
for for self self sustaining of the human race. That
(16:03):
can be talking about more about about going to live
on Mars cultivated the land.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
When we return, we will talk to Judas some more
about his role as crew commander of the Mars Desert
Research Station. Let me take this chance to remind you
that you can find a number of additional links about Mars, Society,
(16:39):
about NASA and the Mars Mission, and other information on
our blogue match Box Mystery dot WordPress dot com. Again,
the Journey's blog is match Box Mystery, which is one
word match Box Mystery dot WordPress dot com. And for
(17:00):
this episode you can click on the post not a
Drop to drink. Today's standing question is what is in
your water? Our programs are available free of charge on iTunes.
(17:23):
You can listen to it, of course, on your iPhone,
your iPad, and your laptop. As Brandon mentioned before, we
are also tracking on the journey three classic books. Those
are as Sounds Bye Life, Flight of the Fused Monkeys,
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(17:43):
which you can get in digital format to be used
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Kindle or noot. You could get it in traditional format
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are on their way to you in audio. Today's standing
(18:04):
question is, of course, what is in your water? Let's
return back to our guests. Today, crew commander to the
Epstein and find out a little bit about what he does.
As the crew commander of the Mars does a C
research station, or we.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Had crews of six six people and a different scientist
did did did different experiments. For example, we had a
crew biologists measuring I'm looking for for hablo files for
live samples, and an astronomers looking for and doing research
on the stars with with the telescope and and and
(18:47):
and the engineering that the upkeep of the have. And
then for example, I was I was working on on
on my experiment the uh the water water filtration experiment.
So just coordinating what everybody's really search making, making the
schedules and the and the timelines and the equipment, making
sure ever is operational, organizing the e v as for
(19:07):
when we're going out and conducting research outside.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And what what was the outcome of your experiment? Was
the final outcome of your experiments?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That the outcome of of of my water water film
tradition experiment, the the water was was pretty well filtered,
and it was it was it was comparable to to
the to the wetland system that actually had had had
some some features such as tds that that that that
were filtered better than than the wetland system. But what
(19:41):
was actually determined was that was that the that the
best method would probably be a combination of of of
utilizing the existing system and adding on the the component
of my system and use pretty much using the best
of each search to to have have the most most
most effective system. But one of the things that I
(20:04):
really liked about about that that got me interested in
in in in in how I developed my water filtration
system is that it doesn't require any any power input
or or or electrical input. And that's actually one of
the things looking at with with with this research with
was actually using maybe utilizing it as as a backup
(20:24):
system because there are there are better water filtration systems
that that that that can filter out more more contaminants.
But but but but they're a lot more hot uh
hot hot higher technology and if the power fails or
equipment fails, but the esposally on filter it's an age
old proven technology is basically just filtering the water through
(20:46):
through through sand and a biological layer of forms on
top to help purify the the the contaminants. So so
it's it's that one of the major uses that it
would be as as as a backup water filtration system.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Fascinating fascinating. I find it to be so very fascinating. Technology, economics,
and the spirit of any people impact how we progress
in these areas of exploration, whether it's explanation on Earth,
beneath Earth, are into outer space. A long, long, long
(21:30):
time ago, an early explorer Potolemy, one of the greats
in his day, said this, I know that I am
mortal by nature and ephemeral. But when I trace at
my pleasure the windings to and fro of the heavenly bodies,
(21:50):
I no longer touch Earth with my feet. I stand
in the presence of Zeus himself and take my fill
of ambrosia. Who of the gods? However, a standing question remains,
(22:15):
what is in your warner
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