June 14, 2025 • 33 mins
A Guyana Adventure: [Leg 2] Traveling through a trecherous conservancy Ric comes upon a beast more formidable than the black jaguar and emerges drenched in hte mystical reality of a great adventure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So there was a lot of a lot of walking again.
And then I'll passing through villages and such like, and
and having the same kind of reception from villagers like
I had uh when I was doing the first leg
of my journey, okay, and then.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This second leg and on my way to my aruma.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Uh and cultured uh a young man.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Uh. What's his name? His name is Roberto report Roberto
uh uh. And he and I Uh. I was walking
along the road, and he stopped his car.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And came out and and and scarted excitedly greeting me
and telling me how he was following, you know, my journey,
and how impressed he was and those kinds of.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Things, and that he wanted to to do some walking
with me at some point. And so he and I
we became friends.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And and and was it for that moment, so I
continued on my way.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hello, and welcome to the Journey, your radio show hosted
by Nevill, Danngelou, author of a sound bite life and
Flight of the Fused Monkeys, a PRG Emerging Technologies Forum
keynote speaker and founder of RIO Sports. I am Joseph Ellison.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Enjoy I am Neville.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Our guest is Rick Couchman chasing the Blue Morphol episode
six up to the Ballad of bead Moses, which came
after episode five.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Traveling vicariously with Rick back to twenty sixteen when he
undertook this trek across the length and breath of Guyana.
I was in the United States. Today I am actually
tasting the very air of this beautiful land, feasting from
(02:02):
its soil, hugging fellow people. It is quite a different
experience traveling back on this physical and metaphysical journey with
our guest Recouchment.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let's begin, of course, the usual.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Encounters with different people and sleeping where night caught me
just reminded me of when I was a teenager against
walking around and stopping at churches, and so that was
doing the same thing here, because there's always some church church,
a small church building that was around and open, and uh,
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you know, I could go sleep and abuse and and
that was it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And then and then occasionally I would be invited in
uh for the night by uh, you know, some inhabitants
of an inhabitants of a village, and and so they
would provide sleeping accombination.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So you know, as I went along. There was a
combination of sleeping in the outdoor, sleeping in church buildings,
or being.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Hosted for the night by my uh you know, individuals
who wanted to help me out and uh.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And then I got to the part of once I
got past what's.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Like when I crossed over the Sequibo River, that that.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That took me to where my my grand the area
that my grand uh in which my grandfather lived.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And so I was able to connect.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
With with the land uh tremendous you know, it's like
my my great great great grandfather, my great grandfather, my grandfather.
You know, these are all you know, landowners of of
tremendous plots.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Of rainforests right and here I am today. I don't know.
I you know, I would love to have a piece
of that rainforest, you know, because that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't have squat none of them left any of that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's like, guys, you know, what did you do? Rick?
You know?
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Anyway, So but but but but I you know, I
went there and and I was able to reconnect with
with uh, my my hands, my father, one of my
father's sister and sisters, and and and was and had
some really good moments with.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Her, uh, hearing from her about my.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Grandfather, her and and and you know her experience with.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Him and you know, and siblings and.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So that was really really a great time to sort
of connect with my history, my own family history. Wonderful,
wonderful experience, as it were. And again, you know, I
got to see my my aunt. She she's still alive.
Actually she's a minimalist. And he is thinking, you know,
(05:30):
our house is a house of stilts, right, you know,
because of flooding and stuff like that, as you know
in our country, and uh sparsely foreign uh furnished, so
it's very spacious, and it was.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was just incredible.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And then I walked I left there and I walked
from I walked from this was.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
In supernanate could no Karen Kara.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Aspicable, uh And I walked there to continue on my journey.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And no, that was that was something else.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Uh you know again really I had to rely on
mapping compass to navigate the rainforest.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I got lost a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But you know that these things happened, so you know,
I wasn't worried or anything like that. You just you know,
I know what I know what to do in those circumstances.
And so my my experience with maprom compass and navigation
and stuff like that, you know, helped out tremendously.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Uh. And then I came across, uh, a.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Very interesting thing that I came across, uh.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
A facility.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
This is a mining facility in in in the Kinese heartland,
and partly gold gold mining facility.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It wasn't it wasn't a gold mine as such, but
it was like a clearing house for the mindset.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
For for the goal, the goal that was dug up
and then to be pushed them moved on, you know, elsewhere.
And it was heavily guarded by you know, uniformed guys
and and you know, with a lot of high tech
uh weaponry and and stuff like that. I was quite
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surprised to see that. And uh, partly it was a
Canadian company. And so you know, of course you have
these multi national operations doing uh, you know, business in
the in the you know, the extracting resources uh of
the country. And look this I'm not criticizing that these
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are just this is nature of the beasts, you know,
just give it my observation.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But it was certainly you know, sort of hidden away
as such. And and one of the things that I
walk around my country did.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Is that it gave me access because my virtue walking
and and and being able to walk, really it gave
me access to the things that one I even knew about,
and two a lot of people you know, have absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
No idea about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know. On my first leg, I came across a
you know, similar situation. But this was a log in company,
I think a Chinese logging company, and uh it's workers
were housed in a in a certain compound and uh,
the working conditions, you know, I don't even want to
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talk about it, you.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Know, the exploitation and I mean the obvious, right.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Uh, And so here I am now, so I'm gonna
leave that that that log in company condition for the
h from the previous uh, the first leg come back
to the second leg. So I mean kind during this
this this uh minded facility, and uh, the guys you
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know saw me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They the two guards at the defense, and they saw me.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And it seemed affable, and they you know, waved me
across and I came. They asked me what I was doing,
and you know that kind of stuff. I told them
what my vision was and they were you were, you
were friendly, but I was a little sort of concerned,
you know, you know, uh and and and I just
(09:33):
wanted to get the hell out of there as quickly
as which I which I which I you know, was
able to do.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But so you you you find those you know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And then and then uh, you know, which also reminded
me that there's another situation I'm not gonna give I'm
not gonna give specifics.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
All I'm gonna say is is that in in the
in in the rainforest, I'm going back to the first name.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But in the rainforests, a section of the rainforest there's
a huge conservancy. Okay where that was sort of a
guess uh sort of dear Martin, and and set aside
you know, you know the countries do that, and they
take huge tracks of land and they set it aside.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
To protect it, right, m right, so, to conserve it.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And and so there's this huge conservancy. Uh, this this
new section of rainforests that is strictly conserved.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
People are not allowed to go in to to do
any hunting, any any cutting down of trees or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Nothing like that is allowed. Now I walked through it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
See now, uh, nobody gets to walk through it. See,
but of course, because it's a rainforest.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, ye know, oh, they're gonna police overay for us,
you see what I'm saying. So but I but I
I I walked through it, and uh, and I.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Understood that it was a conservancy, uh as it were. Well,
let me tell you that's that's that's what's on paper, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What's projected and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But a conservancy it is not because you know, large
scale uh cutting down of trees is still happening in
that par.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Tape of conservancy.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Right, so somebody is making you know, shifload of money,
you know, from from doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And I understand that there are certain individuals famous, very big,
high high.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Profile individuals, you know, outside of the country.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Who are on the board. Really I'm talking really high profile.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I'm not gonna mention their their titles and stuff like that,
but really profile individual on the boards of this conservancy
basically sort of presented as uh uh sort of an
institution to to sort of protect the rainforest kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But in the reality is that it's it's not. But
I'm gonna leave that as it is. But anyway, so
coming back to the class.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
This uh, this this school mining facility. I was quite
surprised that was that it was. It was there, and
you know, I've never heard about it before. I mean
I followed what's going on and who was involved in
in uh in mining resources and something like that in
the country, but this one was certainly not not on
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the on the cards anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Uh. And so I, you know, I continued, uh, you
know my journey.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Uh this this is the rainforest in the western part
of the country. Is is is quite something actually in
what way it's it seems somewhat different from the rainforest.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Of the middle part of the country. It seems more inaccessible. Uh.
And I guess against the reason there's not not a
lot of trails that you can walk on. That's why
it has to beach.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Traversed by by canoe, you know, rather than.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Than walk in it. But there's something about it. And
so there's so so the significant moment of this, this
particular leg with this I'm walking along, you know, I'm
walking along with.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, a trail, very you know, tight trail, and and
all of a.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Sudden, as I'm walking.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Along, the sense of again that that feeling of being
alone engulfed me right.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And again, like I said, we're not really anat, We're
not really alone. The idea of being alone is sort
of a Western concept, you know, you know, we're not
really alone, so like we're all part of this, this.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This mosaic of nature and we belong there and we
have a part there to.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Play and stuff like that. But this notion of you know,
being alone, it really hit home to me in an
existential and.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
A company in that feeling was a great feeling of fear.
What it was that I was feeling fearful of, I
could not if you asked me to articulate it, I couldn't.
I don't think I can't articulate it. And I couldn't
then figure out what it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Was that I was afraid of. But all I knew
is that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I felt immersed in this, in this, in this rainforest, right, and.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You know it's it's it's consuming me.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Basically, and and and you know, so this and its
fastness is so overpowering and perplexing, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That I simply burst into tears.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
I'm walking along, I'm walking along, and I am cruel
and I'm weeping. I'm weeping, I'm balling you as I'm walking.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Along right, overwhelmed with fear. And what's happening though, is
that as in a sense.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
The the the the balling and the crying.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Had a sort of a cathartic cleansing effect because in a.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Way it sort of washed the fears away that you know,
sort of well enough.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And and at that point after that, that that burst,
that flood of tears, I was.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Not scared of anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You It was it was as if it was okay,
bring whatever, bringing up.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, I'm not afraid. But it was quite something.
And I and and and I.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And and actually it was precipitated. Uh, that feeling was
again as I'm walking alt, I'm hearing jaguars are gonna
eat you up das wars are gonna eat you so
and and and you know that sort of tape Ricardo.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
At various points of my journey, it was was playing
kept playing in my mind, you know, and I think
and so that was the onset of the.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Uh of of this of this response that I just described. Uh,
that started me just just weeping. And it was like
and that was basically you know, saying whatever whatever, just
have your way, do whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I don't give a ship, you know, just and and
I think that was what that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
That that crying, that intense crime was was was all about.
And but that's what happened. I never forget that and
why I still don't have an answer for it. All
I know is it happened. And you know what it's
you know, it might be fiction for all you know,
because unless it's corroborated, it's not true. So no one
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else witnessed it, so there's no there's no corroboration by doing.
But I'm just saying that to really really underscore that's
sort of the intense emotional moment. And again and it
comes back to me, It comes home to it.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's it's not foreign. Go ahead, no, yeah, and and
and and and.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And that's why I said, and the outset to you
and allowing me to sort of uh suggest that there's
no qualitative difference among adventures. You know, because someone claim
Mount Everest, it doesn't mean that that expedition is far
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greater than you know, the money running across Central Park
and bringing back a stone, So saying and and and
the factors that that come into play as we are
going through those those those journeys and and and the
intense fear and and you know, like the stuff that
that that we feel on the insight, uh, indescribable feelings.
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Those are the things and we and and and you
see that's why in a sense I can identify with.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
The great adventurers of you know, you know, the the
Pilgrim and Pilgrim's Progress. I know that's.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Literature, a myriad ear herd imagine her, you know, to
be the first woman to do a solo flight, you know,
across the Atlantic, you know, and from the Hillary climbing
Mount Everest, and and and that's you know that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It's it's, it's and then it's it's also so often
back in the day I don't know about.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Now, but inscribed in literature, inscribed in film in cinema,
you see ex questions of of of those of those things,
and uh, it's it's, it's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And in fact, the most powerful modern day modern.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Uh exposition of that is some Joseph Conrad's Heart of
Darkness basically, and I think that great filmmaker Okay his
name doesn't come to me, no, that film that he
did a pocket it is now also uh captures that
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that's sort of the essence of that of the journey basically,
and and the internal conflicts and struggles that with which
the adventurer or the travelers is sort of uh consumed.
Uh and and the ultimate so self understanding that that
(20:24):
that results uh you.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Know, after it's all done, you know what I mean.
But yeah, so that was that was that part of
that of that journey.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Uh, that is absolutely unforgettable. And and you know, I
know the worst can never express the taps of it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
But I think you get you get you you.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Understand it's a human things, a human being with all
this stuff. And then you know, and my rouma when
I actually I did I did some traveling by uh.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
My boat as well. I'm not a boat person. I'm
not a you know, I'm not I'm not a water person.
But it was very very.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
H it was very It was it was intense traveling
along the waterways.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Uh intense and what way and what.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Water because you know, you're surrounded by by by by vegetation.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Uh the water that you you're you're traveling along is black.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So so so so that they yet you know, it's
not that you've seen blue skies and and and you
know the nice warm sun is out and and uh
a ray of colors and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But you have is.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's green, cold, you know, sort of over power and
red forest with.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
This inscrutable black creek.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, and we're going down your stream or upstream,
and and and and and and again. Imagine you you
you might have had the experience in.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Your great cultural sitting in that boat.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Looking down into the water, can't see a thing in there,
and his imagination.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Exactly right. So you know what I'm talking about the
old country.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So yeah, so you know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But but but it was it was pretty pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And and again the same uh affable encounters with the people.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In the villages. You know, I experienced that. I can't
you know, I can.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I can't explain sufficiently how how really wonderful people's response
to me were one uh one encounter that was, I
mean there were there are lots.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Of really talent encounters with people that have that have had.
But I'm walking along the road.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I think I'm in Mabaroma, actually in mavor rooma now.
And as I'm walking I see through two little boys.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And they could be more than eight or ninth, two
indigenous boys, probably seven or eight. I would say, you know.
And then it's not unusual to see kids that age
sort of you know, walking about.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
But here these two two young lads and and they
were holding hands, right, holding each other's hands, and they
were walking along the street and they saw me and
I and I and I saw them, and I slow
down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And then they stopped me in and asked me if I,
you know, had any any They asked me for more
for money, you know, I believe, I believe I gave
them what I what I had. And this was this
was early in the morning. This was like about seven o'clock,
seven am or there. I'm like, where you where? You know?
Where do you guys going? Where are your parents? Where
(24:15):
are you? You know? And they walk in holding him
beautiful smile you know.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Again reminded me of being Moses when he was when
when I first met him, right, that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Really the innocent, the innocence of their faces.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And and and they said they were friends, right And
and one friend was was going to the hospital, which
was not too far behind me. I think I just
passed by there because his mother was there in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And then and I said, so, where is your father?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
He's a father I was gone fishing, you know, end
up in it because Baruma is a really is a
is a town that is on the I think the
mavrouvera river or something like that on a camera that's
the name of the river. But it's it's it's a
it's a riverside town.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And so the main source of of food is one
of the main sources of food is fishent you know, uh,
fresh water fishing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And so he said that his father was out in
the boat trying to catch some fish.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And the mother is uh. And in the meanwhile, he
is friends with him, He's with his friend, and and
you know, I can't wrap my mind around a situation
like that, you know, not in kids of my own,
and and you know, and and and and but but
the thing is.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is that you see the disparity, and not only in
in my country, but but anywhere you have families. There
are kinds of contradictions that you come up against that
we we find difficult to rocket.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
On minds around.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But the reality is that, uh, they are the reality
for some people, you know, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And and so. But at this point on my journey,
I have become.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So newer to to the this the things that I've
seen and witness that that yeah, you know, and in
a sense it's like I have no more empathy to
give because I'm drained of all of all empathy by now.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know, of course we have empathy to get, but.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You're you're you know, you're not what I'm saying it
is it has reached a sort of critical mass of
singularity where instead of instead of empathy, now it's it's
like a kind of disconnectedness, right, not not a willful disconnectedness,
but a disconnectedness that that that.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That comes because you've reached that point of singularity where
you know, it's like a balloon. You squeeze a balloon
and you you twist it around it so and it
can't and the and the air can't.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Go any further, so it just bursts basically and you
go back to to to to you know, having no air.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So so that's what I'm trying to try to describe basically.
And and so I.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Come across these these and there these uh situations, and
I have nothing more or to give on empty, you know,
because everything that I've had is sort of not and
and and it has not been replenished.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But what do you what do you think you should
be giving that you do not any longer have to give?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
What is that? Oh you mean you know what I'm
talking about and that particular point.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I know you're yeah, yeah,
I'm not generalizing, it's sir. If it sounded like that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And at that point, there's no and when we're in
that situation, there's no place for analysis. You know that
that would be a nice analysis the act of the fact,
you know what I'm saying, But at that point, so
you know, to let the listeners understand, at that point,
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there's a kind of a kind of a numbness.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But it's a numbness, but it's not it's not it's
not that I'm not there. I am there. It's like
it's like you're in a you're you're you're in a
dream and you're running in slow motion. You're trying to
get away, but you.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Can't, you know, from something, right, So so I I
am seeing what's going on. I'm understanding what's going on.
My heart breaks for what's going on. But the there
is it's like you can't run faster because you're running
this slow motion and it's like you're trying to get away,
but you can't.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Get away, you know what I'm saying that kind of right,
so so so it's like, I mean, this sort of
zone of this sort of dis graze. Basically we're nothing.
I feel not powerless, but yeah no, you know, yeah, yeah,
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I'm still feeling, but in a way I'm not.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Feeling is there, but I.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Can't I can't make it happen, you know, yeah, yeah,
so so so.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
So the journey then, is that the journey the the
I was gonna say the journey is taking.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
In Stall, but journey that is taking in Store because.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
The journey is is a sort of an you know,
objective realities.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You know, I'm in a.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Certain space, I'm meeting people and and and and.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's it's that I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Getting what's there, right, what the the something is happening
to me internally as I appropriate the encounters and experiences,
you know, and so so so so the magroom, I mean,
(30:12):
it's sort of like what happened in my room or
the second phase of my journey is not too different
from what happened on the first leg of the journey, right, Okay,
And of course the Blue.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Morpho you still haven't found that I have still ahead
of me.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
It's still ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Like I said, I can never the bloom morpho is
always there.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm you know, I counter it along the way. Yeah,
you know, like as long as I'm in the rainforest.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I will see it. So so I'm still seen it as.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I go along, and I'm still waiting for the moment
for this goddamn a thing to land.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
And it covers over a branch catalizingly and I'm like, yeah,
this is it, and then it strips away. You know,
I saw the second leg.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Of my journey and comes to an end, and the
room board bone I still haven't had the opportunity to
capture it.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
We are chasing the beautiful, enigmatic blue moorfold through the
rainforests of Cana with Adventurer Recouchment.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
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Speaker 2 (32:06):
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So there was a lot of a lot of walking again.
And then I'll passing through villages and such like, and
and having the same kind of reception from villagers like
I had uh when I was doing the first leg
of my journey, okay, and then.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This second leg and on my way to my aruma.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Uh and cultured uh a young man.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Uh. What's his name? His name is Roberto report Roberto
uh uh. And he and I Uh. I was walking
along the road, and he stopped his car.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And came out and and and scarted excitedly greeting me
and telling me how he was following, you know, my journey,
and how impressed he was and those kinds of.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Things, and that he wanted to to do some walking
with me at some point. And so he and I
we became friends.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And and and was it for that moment, so I
continued on my way.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hello, and welcome to the Journey, your radio show hosted
by Nevill, Danngelou, author of a sound bite life and
Flight of the Fused Monkeys, a PRG Emerging Technologies Forum
keynote speaker and founder of RIO Sports. I am Joseph Ellison.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Enjoy I am Neville.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Our guest is Rick Couchman chasing the Blue Morphol episode
six up to the Ballad of bead Moses, which came
after episode five.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Traveling vicariously with Rick back to twenty sixteen when he
undertook this trek across the length and breath of Guyana.
I was in the United States. Today I am actually
tasting the very air of this beautiful land, feasting from
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its soil, hugging fellow people. It is quite a different
experience traveling back on this physical and metaphysical journey with
our guest Recouchment.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let's begin, of course, the usual.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Encounters with different people and sleeping where night caught me
just reminded me of when I was a teenager against
walking around and stopping at churches, and so that was
doing the same thing here, because there's always some church church,
a small church building that was around and open, and uh,
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you know, I could go sleep and abuse and and
that was it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And then and then occasionally I would be invited in
uh for the night by uh, you know, some inhabitants
of an inhabitants of a village, and and so they
would provide sleeping accombination.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So you know, as I went along. There was a
combination of sleeping in the outdoor, sleeping in church buildings,
or being.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Hosted for the night by my uh you know, individuals
who wanted to help me out and uh.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And then I got to the part of once I
got past what's.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Like when I crossed over the Sequibo River, that that.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That took me to where my my grand the area
that my grand uh in which my grandfather lived.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And so I was able to connect.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
With with the land uh tremendous you know, it's like
my my great great great grandfather, my great grandfather, my grandfather.
You know, these are all you know, landowners of of
tremendous plots.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Of rainforests right and here I am today. I don't know.
I you know, I would love to have a piece
of that rainforest, you know, because that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't have squat none of them left any of that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's like, guys, you know, what did you do? Rick?
You know?
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Anyway, So but but but but I you know, I
went there and and I was able to reconnect with
with uh, my my hands, my father, one of my
father's sister and sisters, and and and was and had
some really good moments with.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Her, uh, hearing from her about my.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Grandfather, her and and and you know her experience with.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Him and you know, and siblings and.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So that was really really a great time to sort
of connect with my history, my own family history. Wonderful,
wonderful experience, as it were. And again, you know, I
got to see my my aunt. She she's still alive.
Actually she's a minimalist. And he is thinking, you know,
(05:30):
our house is a house of stilts, right, you know,
because of flooding and stuff like that, as you know
in our country, and uh sparsely foreign uh furnished, so
it's very spacious, and it was.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was just incredible.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And then I walked I left there and I walked
from I walked from this was.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
In supernanate could no Karen Kara.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Aspicable, uh And I walked there to continue on my journey.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And no, that was that was something else.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Uh you know again really I had to rely on
mapping compass to navigate the rainforest.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I got lost a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But you know that these things happened, so you know,
I wasn't worried or anything like that. You just you know,
I know what I know what to do in those circumstances.
And so my my experience with maprom compass and navigation
and stuff like that, you know, helped out tremendously.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Uh. And then I came across, uh, a.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Very interesting thing that I came across, uh.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
A facility.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
This is a mining facility in in in the Kinese heartland,
and partly gold gold mining facility.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It wasn't it wasn't a gold mine as such, but
it was like a clearing house for the mindset.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
For for the goal, the goal that was dug up
and then to be pushed them moved on, you know, elsewhere.
And it was heavily guarded by you know, uniformed guys
and and you know, with a lot of high tech
uh weaponry and and stuff like that. I was quite
(07:27):
surprised to see that. And uh, partly it was a
Canadian company. And so you know, of course you have
these multi national operations doing uh, you know, business in
the in the you know, the extracting resources uh of
the country. And look this I'm not criticizing that these
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are just this is nature of the beasts, you know,
just give it my observation.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But it was certainly you know, sort of hidden away
as such. And and one of the things that I
walk around my country did.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Is that it gave me access because my virtue walking
and and and being able to walk, really it gave
me access to the things that one I even knew about,
and two a lot of people you know, have absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
No idea about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know. On my first leg, I came across a
you know, similar situation. But this was a log in company,
I think a Chinese logging company, and uh it's workers
were housed in a in a certain compound and uh,
the working conditions, you know, I don't even want to
(08:42):
talk about it, you.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Know, the exploitation and I mean the obvious, right.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Uh, And so here I am now, so I'm gonna
leave that that that log in company condition for the
h from the previous uh, the first leg come back
to the second leg. So I mean kind during this
this this uh minded facility, and uh, the guys you
(09:09):
know saw me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They the two guards at the defense, and they saw me.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And it seemed affable, and they you know, waved me
across and I came. They asked me what I was doing,
and you know that kind of stuff. I told them
what my vision was and they were you were, you
were friendly, but I was a little sort of concerned,
you know, you know, uh and and and I just
(09:33):
wanted to get the hell out of there as quickly
as which I which I which I you know, was
able to do.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But so you you you find those you know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And then and then uh, you know, which also reminded
me that there's another situation I'm not gonna give I'm
not gonna give specifics.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
All I'm gonna say is is that in in the
in in the rainforest, I'm going back to the first name.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But in the rainforests, a section of the rainforest there's
a huge conservancy. Okay where that was sort of a
guess uh sort of dear Martin, and and set aside
you know, you know the countries do that, and they
take huge tracks of land and they set it aside.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
To protect it, right, m right, so, to conserve it.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And and so there's this huge conservancy. Uh, this this
new section of rainforests that is strictly conserved.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
People are not allowed to go in to to do
any hunting, any any cutting down of trees or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Nothing like that is allowed. Now I walked through it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
See now, uh, nobody gets to walk through it. See,
but of course, because it's a rainforest.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, ye know, oh, they're gonna police overay for us,
you see what I'm saying. So but I but I
I I walked through it, and uh, and I.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Understood that it was a conservancy, uh as it were. Well,
let me tell you that's that's that's what's on paper, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What's projected and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But a conservancy it is not because you know, large
scale uh cutting down of trees is still happening in
that par.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Tape of conservancy.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Right, so somebody is making you know, shifload of money,
you know, from from doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And I understand that there are certain individuals famous, very big,
high high.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Profile individuals, you know, outside of the country.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Who are on the board. Really I'm talking really high profile.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I'm not gonna mention their their titles and stuff like that,
but really profile individual on the boards of this conservancy
basically sort of presented as uh uh sort of an
institution to to sort of protect the rainforest kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But in the reality is that it's it's not. But
I'm gonna leave that as it is. But anyway, so
coming back to the class.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
This uh, this this school mining facility. I was quite
surprised that was that it was. It was there, and
you know, I've never heard about it before. I mean
I followed what's going on and who was involved in
in uh in mining resources and something like that in
the country, but this one was certainly not not on
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the on the cards anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Uh. And so I, you know, I continued, uh, you
know my journey.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Uh this this is the rainforest in the western part
of the country. Is is is quite something actually in
what way it's it seems somewhat different from the rainforest.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Of the middle part of the country. It seems more inaccessible. Uh.
And I guess against the reason there's not not a
lot of trails that you can walk on. That's why
it has to beach.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Traversed by by canoe, you know, rather than.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Than walk in it. But there's something about it. And
so there's so so the significant moment of this, this
particular leg with this I'm walking along, you know, I'm
walking along with.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, a trail, very you know, tight trail, and and
all of a.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Sudden, as I'm walking.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Along, the sense of again that that feeling of being
alone engulfed me right.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And again, like I said, we're not really anat, We're
not really alone. The idea of being alone is sort
of a Western concept, you know, you know, we're not
really alone, so like we're all part of this, this.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This mosaic of nature and we belong there and we
have a part there to.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Play and stuff like that. But this notion of you know,
being alone, it really hit home to me in an
existential and.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
A company in that feeling was a great feeling of fear.
What it was that I was feeling fearful of, I
could not if you asked me to articulate it, I couldn't.
I don't think I can't articulate it. And I couldn't
then figure out what it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Was that I was afraid of. But all I knew
is that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I felt immersed in this, in this, in this rainforest, right, and.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You know it's it's it's consuming me.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Basically, and and and you know, so this and its
fastness is so overpowering and perplexing, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That I simply burst into tears.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
I'm walking along, I'm walking along, and I am cruel
and I'm weeping. I'm weeping, I'm balling you as I'm walking.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Along right, overwhelmed with fear. And what's happening though, is
that as in a sense.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
The the the the balling and the crying.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Had a sort of a cathartic cleansing effect because in a.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Way it sort of washed the fears away that you know,
sort of well enough.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And and at that point after that, that that burst,
that flood of tears, I was.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Not scared of anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You It was it was as if it was okay,
bring whatever, bringing up.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, I'm not afraid. But it was quite something.
And I and and and I.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And and actually it was precipitated. Uh, that feeling was
again as I'm walking alt, I'm hearing jaguars are gonna
eat you up das wars are gonna eat you so
and and and you know that sort of tape Ricardo.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
At various points of my journey, it was was playing
kept playing in my mind, you know, and I think
and so that was the onset of the.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Uh of of this of this response that I just described. Uh,
that started me just just weeping. And it was like
and that was basically you know, saying whatever whatever, just
have your way, do whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I don't give a ship, you know, just and and
I think that was what that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
That that crying, that intense crime was was was all about.
And but that's what happened. I never forget that and
why I still don't have an answer for it. All
I know is it happened. And you know what it's
you know, it might be fiction for all you know,
because unless it's corroborated, it's not true. So no one
(17:40):
else witnessed it, so there's no there's no corroboration by doing.
But I'm just saying that to really really underscore that's
sort of the intense emotional moment. And again and it
comes back to me, It comes home to it.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's it's not foreign. Go ahead, no, yeah, and and
and and and.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And that's why I said, and the outset to you
and allowing me to sort of uh suggest that there's
no qualitative difference among adventures. You know, because someone claim
Mount Everest, it doesn't mean that that expedition is far
(18:23):
greater than you know, the money running across Central Park
and bringing back a stone, So saying and and and
the factors that that come into play as we are
going through those those those journeys and and and the
intense fear and and you know, like the stuff that
that that we feel on the insight, uh, indescribable feelings.
(18:49):
Those are the things and we and and and you
see that's why in a sense I can identify with.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
The great adventurers of you know, you know, the the
Pilgrim and Pilgrim's Progress. I know that's.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Literature, a myriad ear herd imagine her, you know, to
be the first woman to do a solo flight, you know,
across the Atlantic, you know, and from the Hillary climbing
Mount Everest, and and and that's you know that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It's it's, it's and then it's it's also so often
back in the day I don't know about.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Now, but inscribed in literature, inscribed in film in cinema,
you see ex questions of of of those of those things,
and uh, it's it's, it's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And in fact, the most powerful modern day modern.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Uh exposition of that is some Joseph Conrad's Heart of
Darkness basically, and I think that great filmmaker Okay his
name doesn't come to me, no, that film that he
did a pocket it is now also uh captures that
(20:04):
that's sort of the essence of that of the journey basically,
and and the internal conflicts and struggles that with which
the adventurer or the travelers is sort of uh consumed.
Uh and and the ultimate so self understanding that that
(20:24):
that results uh you.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Know, after it's all done, you know what I mean.
But yeah, so that was that was that part of
that of that journey.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Uh, that is absolutely unforgettable. And and you know, I
know the worst can never express the taps of it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
But I think you get you get you you.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Understand it's a human things, a human being with all
this stuff. And then you know, and my rouma when
I actually I did I did some traveling by uh.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
My boat as well. I'm not a boat person. I'm
not a you know, I'm not I'm not a water person.
But it was very very.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
H it was very It was it was intense traveling
along the waterways.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Uh intense and what way and what.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Water because you know, you're surrounded by by by by vegetation.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Uh the water that you you're you're traveling along is black.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So so so so that they yet you know, it's
not that you've seen blue skies and and and you
know the nice warm sun is out and and uh
a ray of colors and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But you have is.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's green, cold, you know, sort of over power and
red forest with.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
This inscrutable black creek.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, and we're going down your stream or upstream,
and and and and and and again. Imagine you you
you might have had the experience in.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Your great cultural sitting in that boat.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Looking down into the water, can't see a thing in there,
and his imagination.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Exactly right. So you know what I'm talking about the
old country.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So yeah, so you know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But but but it was it was pretty pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And and again the same uh affable encounters with the people.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In the villages. You know, I experienced that. I can't
you know, I can.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I can't explain sufficiently how how really wonderful people's response
to me were one uh one encounter that was, I
mean there were there are lots.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Of really talent encounters with people that have that have had.
But I'm walking along the road.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I think I'm in Mabaroma, actually in mavor rooma now.
And as I'm walking I see through two little boys.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And they could be more than eight or ninth, two
indigenous boys, probably seven or eight. I would say, you know.
And then it's not unusual to see kids that age
sort of you know, walking about.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
But here these two two young lads and and they
were holding hands, right, holding each other's hands, and they
were walking along the street and they saw me and
I and I and I saw them, and I slow
down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And then they stopped me in and asked me if I,
you know, had any any They asked me for more
for money, you know, I believe, I believe I gave
them what I what I had. And this was this
was early in the morning. This was like about seven o'clock,
seven am or there. I'm like, where you where? You know?
Where do you guys going? Where are your parents? Where
(24:15):
are you? You know? And they walk in holding him
beautiful smile you know.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Again reminded me of being Moses when he was when
when I first met him, right, that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Really the innocent, the innocence of their faces.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And and and they said they were friends, right And
and one friend was was going to the hospital, which
was not too far behind me. I think I just
passed by there because his mother was there in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And then and I said, so, where is your father?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
He's a father I was gone fishing, you know, end
up in it because Baruma is a really is a
is a town that is on the I think the
mavrouvera river or something like that on a camera that's
the name of the river. But it's it's it's a
it's a riverside town.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And so the main source of of food is one
of the main sources of food is fishent you know, uh,
fresh water fishing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And so he said that his father was out in
the boat trying to catch some fish.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And the mother is uh. And in the meanwhile, he
is friends with him, He's with his friend, and and
you know, I can't wrap my mind around a situation
like that, you know, not in kids of my own,
and and you know, and and and and but but
the thing is.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is that you see the disparity, and not only in
in my country, but but anywhere you have families. There
are kinds of contradictions that you come up against that
we we find difficult to rocket.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
On minds around.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But the reality is that, uh, they are the reality
for some people, you know, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And and so. But at this point on my journey,
I have become.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So newer to to the this the things that I've
seen and witness that that yeah, you know, and in
a sense it's like I have no more empathy to
give because I'm drained of all of all empathy by now.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know, of course we have empathy to get, but.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You're you're you know, you're not what I'm saying it
is it has reached a sort of critical mass of
singularity where instead of instead of empathy, now it's it's
like a kind of disconnectedness, right, not not a willful disconnectedness,
but a disconnectedness that that that.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That comes because you've reached that point of singularity where
you know, it's like a balloon. You squeeze a balloon
and you you twist it around it so and it
can't and the and the air can't.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Go any further, so it just bursts basically and you
go back to to to to you know, having no air.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So so that's what I'm trying to try to describe basically.
And and so I.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Come across these these and there these uh situations, and
I have nothing more or to give on empty, you know,
because everything that I've had is sort of not and
and and it has not been replenished.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But what do you what do you think you should
be giving that you do not any longer have to give?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
What is that? Oh you mean you know what I'm
talking about and that particular point.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I know you're yeah, yeah,
I'm not generalizing, it's sir. If it sounded like that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And at that point, there's no and when we're in
that situation, there's no place for analysis. You know that
that would be a nice analysis the act of the fact,
you know what I'm saying, But at that point, so
you know, to let the listeners understand, at that point,
(28:13):
there's a kind of a kind of a numbness.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But it's a numbness, but it's not it's not it's
not that I'm not there. I am there. It's like
it's like you're in a you're you're you're in a
dream and you're running in slow motion. You're trying to
get away, but you.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Can't, you know, from something, right, So so I I
am seeing what's going on. I'm understanding what's going on.
My heart breaks for what's going on. But the there
is it's like you can't run faster because you're running
this slow motion and it's like you're trying to get away,
but you can't.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Get away, you know what I'm saying that kind of right,
so so so it's like, I mean, this sort of
zone of this sort of dis graze. Basically we're nothing.
I feel not powerless, but yeah no, you know, yeah, yeah,
(29:10):
I'm still feeling, but in a way I'm not.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Feeling is there, but I.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Can't I can't make it happen, you know, yeah, yeah,
so so so.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
So the journey then, is that the journey the the
I was gonna say the journey is taking.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
In Stall, but journey that is taking in Store because.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
The journey is is a sort of an you know,
objective realities.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You know, I'm in a.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Certain space, I'm meeting people and and and and.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's it's that I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Getting what's there, right, what the the something is happening
to me internally as I appropriate the encounters and experiences,
you know, and so so so so the magroom, I mean,
(30:12):
it's sort of like what happened in my room or
the second phase of my journey is not too different
from what happened on the first leg of the journey, right, Okay,
And of course the Blue.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Morpho you still haven't found that I have still ahead
of me.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
It's still ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Like I said, I can never the bloom morpho is
always there.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm you know, I counter it along the way. Yeah,
you know, like as long as I'm in the rainforest.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I will see it. So so I'm still seen it as.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I go along, and I'm still waiting for the moment
for this goddamn a thing to land.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
And it covers over a branch catalizingly and I'm like, yeah,
this is it, and then it strips away. You know,
I saw the second leg.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Of my journey and comes to an end, and the
room board bone I still haven't had the opportunity to
capture it.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
We are chasing the beautiful, enigmatic blue moorfold through the
rainforests of Cana with Adventurer Recouchment.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
How about you, let's say you about your journey. You
can enjoy encouragement and awesome resources from our home base
the Journey dot ryosports dot com or ryosports dot com.
(31:57):
Meet us there alongside a viboration of creatives from around
the world, building together, learning from each.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Other, growing.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
Along the journey, we stop at intriguing places and meet
fascinating people with novel solutions to some of life's tricky questions,
and we play a few games and track the remarkable
characters of three classic books. A SoundBite life, Flight of
the Fused Monkeys and ill Set A Time to Begin Again,
all of which can be found on Amazon and Barnes
(32:38):
and Ople.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Illicit I l I cet It is a Latin word
and an acronym.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
A beautiful story. Check it out. Illicent A Time to
Begin Again You next week
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