Even Truth Social Couldn’t Make This Look Good…Democrats Storm Back & Find Mid-Term Message 11/5/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh wow. Thank you all the commies and socialists who
have moved into Uh yeah, I get it. You're having
a very very good day. It is a pleasure to
be with you on a Wednesday. This is our show.
You can set your watch by it, as long as
your watch is about five or six minutes slow. It

(00:23):
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don't always start right at the top of the hour,
is what I'm getting at. I am delighted though, because
Kim is here, and Tony is here, and Moe Kelly
is stopping through today, and I think he's with us
at the beginning of the show. He's a brilliant mind
on politics and the law. Both are very much in play.

(00:44):
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and an hour or two from the lever of one
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when it comes to the system and how the system
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(01:06):
the wealthiest class has seized control of America. The Great
David Sirota joins us an hour or two, So there's
a lot going on here and I've left out it's
the planet stupid. Belinda Weymouth joins us an hour two.
I don't know how we're going to get this all in,
but we've got to get cracking because there is a

(01:26):
lot to get to. It was a very big night
and on some level, a referendum I suppose on Donald
Trump in all of these different races across the country.
And again, these were interesting races because this is sort
of a it's an off year, off year election. Mo Kelly,
come in. You can fill out a little bit of

(01:47):
what we're talking about, because the reality is that you
were looking at races that were not necessarily bell Weather's
going into these special elections, but because of the mood
in America right now, and because of the activism in
America right now, sort of the situation you have to

(02:09):
look at many of these outcomes as Bellwethers, as trend
indicators as to what may come.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I looked at it as that, and I also looked
at it as a status report, a health report of.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
The Democratic brand.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You will hear Republicans today they're talking about how well
the Democrats should have won New Jersey. That's no big
surprise or of course mon Dominique one in New York City.
That's not anything special. But if anything, if they had lost,
that would have been a further indication of the lack
of health of the Democratic brand. So if you're a Democrat,
you should be very pleased. Not over the moon, because

(02:44):
it's not determinative of what's going to happen in the midterms,
but it was a good night. In other words, you're
supposed to be supposed to win the races you're supposed
to win, and that says a Democratic brand is moving
back to health.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It also is how you win it, how overwhelming when
in certain instances there is and what that might tell you.
Before I get into some of the specifics, and I
will get into many of the specifics, and I'll share
from Mondamini's speech. We'll share these, if you will, victory
speeches from many of these very key races. I did

(03:19):
want to mention there was a weird moment and a
weird story that floated to the surface in this world
of elections, and it comes out of Kentucky. Kim. There
was an issue in Kentucky and the GOP election chief
in Kentucky had to make a special announcement. What was

(03:41):
that announcement?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Kim, There is no election in the state of Kentucky,
was what he said yesterday. He said his office was
getting a lot of calls like there's no one at
my polling place and where's my ballot? And he's like, no, listen,
this is why I'm calling, he said. Have I mentioned
my repeated call for civic education. This according to the
Kentucky Secretary of State, Michael Adams. He said, listen, our

(04:06):
election is next year. You cannot vote for the governor
of New York. You cannot vote for Prop fifty. Those
are in other states, and we are not voting in
Kentucky today.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Now you're just don't getting good.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Here's the quote. We're getting calls about polls being closed.
They are closed because we do not have elections today.
Kentucky votes next year. You cannot vote in Kentucky for
the mayor of New York or the governor of Virginia.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Sorry, people in Kentucky wanted to vote for Mom Dami. Okay,
that's where they are in this world of elections. And
you know, I'm gonna mention this, mo I think, and
then I will get into more specifics. The the fact
that Donald Trump has sort of said this, well, you know,
the reason that the Democrats did so well is because
I wasn't on the ticket. If I were on the ticket,

(04:55):
it would all have been different. And on some level
that might be true. You know, I think he is
a brand that transcends party loyalty on some level. I mean,
he's got a cultish following. Now I suggest that that's eroded.
I mean, I think that we've even seen it in
these numbers. The Latino community that turned out for Trump,
and they're not going to turn out for Trump again, clearly,

(05:16):
at least in the short term, it would seem. But
many minority communities that kind of gravitated to Trump and
the change agent message he had, I don't think they're
going to be around anymore. But it is true that
he does bring I can just think of these Kentuckians
that would have been at the poll had Trump been
on the ticket. It does. These off year elections and

(05:37):
special elections are their own kind of breed, aren't they.
They are they are.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
But the Trump phenomenon is very specific, and I would
say that even though he may not have been on
the ballot, he was still involved. And we know that
he was involved in the New York City mayoral race.
He had something to say about that. We know that
he was involved in New Jersey. He was not involved
conspicuous in Virginia. But I will say this, because he

(06:04):
did make New York such an issue. I believe that's
part of the reason why more Democrats came out and
supported BONDAMMI fair enough.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I mean, I do think on some level it was
a referendum on Trump. Please don't misunderstand me, but I
think it's just interesting. As a brand, Trump does bring
people out to the polls, but they're really there for him,
and I think there is a degree of a low
information singular voters who are just who find themselves in

(06:32):
the thrall of this charisma or whatever this is. It's
a cultish kind of hope. I don't want to get
too into that, but it was just as an aside.
This really is though, I think a sign that and
I think you said it so well Mo, that the
Trump wasn't on the ballot. It's what he said and
shut down were two reasons that the Republicans lost elections tonight,
according to pollsters. Says Donald J. Trump on social media.

(06:54):
I think the shutdown didn't help. I'll say that. And
so it begins, he says, I think there's a cold
slap in the face coming to Donald Trump and Magaland
and we'll even get to the Supreme Court where there
could be an even colder slap in the face from
this concierge court as they talk about tariffs. Because the
early tea leaves, if you can read them through oral arguments,

(07:15):
may not be that positive. You have cautious optimism on this,
mo Kelly.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Look, if we know that the Supreme Court supports anything
at anyone, it is as far as the conservative majority.
They are unabashed in their support for Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
And I think we have.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Mischaracterized the non partisanship. Previous to this moment, we said, well,
maybe Amy Cony Barrett is not as much of a
conservative or a right wing hack as we might have said. No, no, no,
she is that person when it comes to Donald Trump.
You know, John, all things Supreme Court, they have trended
toward Donald Trump. This is not going to be any

(07:55):
different when you're talking about maybe healthcare, John Roberts, that
was aberration. When you talk about the other some of
the other decisions that don't have to do with Trump,
then you get more of a.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Balanced approach. But when it comes to him, it's never
been balanced.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well yeah, and this is certainly something he squarely has
an opinion on. All right, So this backlash against Trump
certainly has played out in New York is huge. And
let's start in New York because you know, this is
such an impressive candidate, a new kind of candidate, an orator,
a clear thinker. You can disagree with some of these

(08:35):
policies or at least question how the x's and o's
will all pencil out, but wow, what an impressive message.
It's a working class populist message, sort of TRUMPI in
that way, right, I mean, and with tremendous turnout. Go ahead,
play a little bit of Mount Dommy's his This is

(08:57):
an acceptance speech or his victory speech.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
The working people of New York have been told by
the wealthy and the well connected that power does not
belong in their hands. Fingers bruised from lifting boxes on
the warehouse floor, palms callous from delivery by candlebars, Knuckles
scarred with kitchen burns. These are not hands that have

(09:23):
been allowed to hold power and yet over the last
twelve months you have dared to reach for something greater. Tonight,
against all odds, we have grasped it. The future is

(09:46):
in our hands, my friends. We have toppled a political dynasty.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
This is critical and key because he's right. They did
topple a political dynasty. There has been a dynastic hold
on a New York politics, as you're well aware of
mo Kelly, and it runs right through Cuomo. So Cuomo
was there, the dynasty was on the ticket. Go ahead, Tony.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
I wish Andrew Cuomo only the best in private life,
but let tonight be the final time I utter his
name as we turn the page on a politics that
abandons the many and answers only to the feud.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
New York.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Tonight, you have delivered it.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
A mandate to for change, a mandate.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
For a new kind of politics, a mandate for a
city we can afford, and a mandate for a government
that delivers exactly that. On January first, I will be
sworn in as the Mayor of New York City.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
So this is very good. As I say, it's a
populist message. He's a brilliant orator. Obviously I want you
to play if you will for me Tony the ending
where he calls out Trump by name, and this is
how he sticks the landing. I think with this call out.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
So Donald Trump, since I know you're watching.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
What works for you, turn the volume up.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
We will hold bad landlords to accounts because the Donald
Trumps of our city have grown far too comfortable taking
advantage of their tenants. We will put an end to
the culture of corruption that has allowed billionaires like Trump
to evane taxation and exploit tax brace. We will stand

(12:47):
alongside unions and expand labor protections because we know, just
as Donald.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Trump does, that when.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Working people have iron cloud rights, the bosses who seem
to exhort them.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
Become very small.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Indeed, New York will remain.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
A city of immigrants, a city Bill Bliss, it has
to night land bris.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
That's just a brilliant, brilliant sticking of the landing, and
Mandanie just captures so much passion, emotion, and I think politically,
the realization, and this is especially true in New York,
that there is a billionaire class or a wealthy class

(13:47):
that enjoys this flourishing environment. And the reality is many
New Yorkers can barely make ends meet. It's such an
expensive place that only that class, the wealthy class, is
able to participate in this gilded age.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I would say Mondomni he took a page out of
Trump's book.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
If you pay close attention.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
He looked at the people who did not have a voice,
who were overlooked in the media, who were being marginalized,
or at least thought that they were being marginalized, and
then lifted them up in the moment. And if you
don't understand New York, New York is all absolutely a
city of immigrants, and to portray it as anything other

(14:31):
is to misread the electorate. I believe the Republicans misread
the electorate in New York. When you have Mondani, who
won in Staten Island, which is a conservative stronghold, that's
telling you that you're not listening to the people of
New York City.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
He has breakthrough policies, big ideas, and big asks. We'll
see what he can get through. But you need big
ideas and big asks to cut through the media noise
as he did. And it was clearly a big ideas.
New ideas change agent versus if you will experience old ideas,

(15:12):
mainstream ideas anyway in the Cuomo and even in Sliwa.
So you know, I was amazed that Como was even
on the ballot. I mean, he sort of left in shame,
but it was kind of the only leftover that could
be rewarmed and really represented a mainstream Democrat, even though
I understand he you know, he wasn't running as such.

(15:34):
I was interested in around the horn on GMA this
morning how they played it, and they have a couple
of specific here. Well a quick listen, and then I'll
let mo Kelly go. If I know you've got stuff
to do, but you're really cool to hang out with
us for a minute or two, go ahead that Tony.
Here's a little bit of the reaction this morning.

Speaker 8 (15:50):
Washington via chief Rick Cline, our chief White House correspondent,
Mary Bruce and Rick.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Let me begin with you.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
It seems like every time we have an election right now,
voters are sending a clear message we want.

Speaker 9 (15:59):
Change is the only consistent theme. Georgia exactly right, and
the worries and uncertainties that faced so many Americans boiled
over last night. In Virginia, Democrats won back the governor's
office and they picked up seats in the state Assembly.
Sixty four percent of voters there said they were either
dissatisfied or downright angry as they went to the polls,
frustrated by high prices, the political scene, and so much else.
And that number was very similar to New Jersey, where

(16:21):
the Democrats bucked history to hold on to.

Speaker 10 (16:23):
The governor's office.

Speaker 9 (16:23):
Both of these governors elect are women with national security backgrounds,
focused intensely on the cost of living. The candidates of
the campaigns and a bunch of different races they were different,
but the through line was Trump. Our poll from the
last weekend showed that president's approval rating forty one percent.
That is down from where he was at the start
of his presidency. Heading into this midterm year, that is
almost certainly going to be a referendum on the president.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
And so many of these races that you were just
talking about weren't even close for it.

Speaker 9 (16:47):
Yeah, Robin, that was probably the biggest surprise. We're talking
about blowouts coast to coast. Most cases, the polls actually
understated Democratic support this time around. In Virginia it was
at fifteen point drubbing even with a popular Republican governor
and office, and as lieutenant governor running for the office.
A similar story in New Jersey. The Republican came within
three points of winning last time. This year he lost
by thirteen points.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
And how about here in New York City.

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Yeah, this is such a stories or on Mandani making
history on numerous fronts. And he did it by getting
just about half of the more than two million people
who cast ballots. That's almost twice the turnout that this
city saw just four years ago.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
That's the huge thing.

Speaker 11 (17:24):
Moo.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
You know the turnout tells you something, right.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I gotta get Yeah, and I have to make this point.
I made it last night, and I kind of made
it here. This is where you can say, Hey, the
No King's protest meant something. They moved from the symbolic
to the substantives. That enthusiasm I think carried over into
the turnout you saw in New York. People were able
to connect the dots and remain engaged. So if the

(17:49):
No Kings protest did anything, it served as to lead
up the warm up, if you will, to what we
saw last night. Now, can you maintain that momentum a
year out? Can you maintained that momentum in places which
are not as heavily democratic. I mean what we saw
in Virginia that was huge, because that's not necessarily a
democratic stronghold, to be sure. But if you can point

(18:12):
to anything as a positive result of the No King's protests,
it was last night.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
I would connect those dots.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's a really, really good point. I know you've got CNN,
you've been I saw you on CNN doing a bunch
of stuff elsewhere too, so we appreciate you hanging out
with us. I know you're gonna be here. MO will
be hosting this show for the remainder this week and
all through next week, so you know, just ask Kim
please behave for Mo Kelly if you would, and Tony

(18:40):
more to the point, please behave for Mo. A lot
of a lot of love for you. In the Tony
says no, all right, Tony, but and Kim says no,
all right. Well then that you'll be treated in the
same way that I'm treated. Appreciate you, my friend, and
we'll be in touch. Great Mo Kelly. Everyone, Thanks Moe.

(19:02):
We're not done with the politics, of course, because Mark
Thompson Show, John Rothman coming up bottom of the hour,
another vacation for Mark. When was my last vacation. I
haven't taken any vacation.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You're always on vacation.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I'm never on vacation. Tell you what, how dare you people?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Mike god Mo just mentioned no kings and I thought
it was really interesting that in every victory speech I
watched last night, there was some reference to you know,
this is a mandate on against Trump. And the woman
her name is Mikey, is it Mikey, Yes, yeah, Mike Cheryl. Yeah,

(19:41):
she won in New Jersey. She even said we have
no kings in America. She came out and just said it.
She referenced no kings. I mean, it's blatant everywhere you look,
this is against Trump.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, one of the things we're talking about the midterms,
and Ma was saying, it'll be interesting see whether you
can continue to have this kind of momentum and energy
going into the midterms. The thing that Trump does is
he produces a lot of energy on the other side,
and that tends to produce energy throughout, meaning he does

(20:21):
the superficial on one level, the symbolic and the reckless,
meaning he trashes the East Wing, he completely demolishes it,
and he says he's going to build a ballroom for
two hundred million than before you know it, it's two
fifty three hundred, three hundred and fifty million. And it's
clearly a grift, it's a money grab, and it's all

(20:45):
being done to the people's house. And as I say,
it's both symbolic and it's also substantive. That's one thing
he does. He pursues this policy of extra judicial killings,
blowing away all of these boats of Venezuela, many of
them fishermen, unclear if they really had any connection in narcotics.

(21:07):
I mean all of them. Maybe there were some that did,
but there were clearly some that didn't. Saber rattling when
it comes to Mexico, Canada getting into these tariff confrontations,
the wanton, chaotic way in which these tariffs have been
imposed on our traditional trading partners, everything from again Canada

(21:30):
and Mexico to South America, bailing out Argentina but not
having enough money for snap and not able to keep
the government open. So these things are all they're going
to continue. These things are all going to continue. We
might actually get into a hot war. I think Trump

(21:50):
is an impulsive leader, clearly who doesn't have a plan.
His plan is to enrich himself and his family as
quickly as he can. And everything he does is transactional,
and all those breadcrumbs lead back to Trump enriching himself.
So every transaction has to have that associated with it.

(22:12):
Look at the way he sold pardons.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's a pretty good plan, Mark.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I mean the pardening of the binance head who was
convicted and admitted to creating a money laundering scheme that
allowed sexual predators and drug traffickers to use his platform.

(22:39):
He was pardoned by Trump, and then Trump say, I
don't really know him. I don't know you know, I
don't know who you're talking about. I heard he was
the victim of a witch hunt. Bind. All of these
things will help animate, is my point, and I've left
out a bunch of stuff. It will animate voter turnout
in the midterms. And so if you think that this

(23:00):
is a litmus test on trumpet admittedly these are in
democratic strongholds in some places like New York, but even
in New York, look at the voter turnout. Look at
the way that voters were saying, enough, we want change,
we feel left out. I mean, all of these things
are implied in the Mamdani message. So he does have

(23:24):
concepts of a plan. I know, right, yeah, yeah, So
I want to bring on Rothman here in just a moment.
But before I do, let me go to New Jersey
and see the that's the Mikey Cheryl speech. I just
want to see a second or two of that, and
then i'll have I'll bring on John.

Speaker 12 (23:47):
I know these are tough times. I know not everyone
voted for me, but I'm working for everyone, every single
one of you. When we all do better, we all
do better. So tomorrow begins a new day, and at

(24:08):
each new day in New Jersey, the sun rises over
the Statue of Liberty, a daily reminder of her promise
give me. You're tired, you're poor, your huddled masses yearning
to breathe free.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
In Mikey Cheryl, you had just a quick note because
I think a lot of this is being played. The
GOP is really playing this, you know, the oh my,
the this shows you how the lefties are coming up.
And look at the New York things should tell you
that it's a bunch of socialists and commies and that's
really the extremism of the left. Mikey Cheryl's a mainstream

(24:51):
Democrat Michael Cheryl's not there's not a there's not a
Marxist bone in her body, you know. But again, this
is a race that tells you a lot. Fifty six
point two percent of the vote went to her over
her opponent forty three percent. And he was a I

(25:14):
think he was a He's a Jersey assembly member, right,
and she's.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
A former Navy helicopter pilot.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, she's one of two candidates who won who have
real national security chops. You know, they don't just talk
I support the troops. They really are.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
And he's a badass.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's pretty much it. Yeah, that's exactly it. And and
the other thing about the Jersey raising, and then I'll
bring on Rothman, is that forty percent of those who
were uppolled of registered voters said that they cast their
votes to quote oppose Trump yep, compared to thirteen percent
who say they vote and they voted for support and

(26:00):
in support of the President of the United States. So again,
when you think about this.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Idea that people are afraid of liberal candidates or socialist
candidates like Mom Donnie, and that Republicans are going to
try now to paint all Democratic candidates in the midterm elections,
like Mom Dannie, like see, this is who they want,
This is who the Democrats are, this is who and

(26:26):
so they're going to try to turn them into Mamdanni copycasts,
as what I read in Politico.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Of course that's the that's the strategy. I mean, Trump
is already doing it. But as I just said, you
know Spanberger in Virginia, Sheryl in Jersey, these are mainstream Democrats.
They are just not Mamdanni's. You can you can focus
on Mandannie. And Mamdanni does have and you know is
a self professed a democratic socialist, so he has ideas

(26:52):
that do overlap with that kind of agenda that might
be associated with and it is associated with socialism, I
mean the kind of access to many public services, etc.
That would be associated with socialism. But that said, that
is not at all reflective of these other Democratic candidates,
and across the board you just don't see it. So
again it's all a question of branding and how much

(27:14):
they can make that stick because in the New America,
as we're realizing, facts don't really matter. It's how much
bs you can get out there on social media, on Facebook, posts,
on Twitter, et cetera, in the siloed way in which
information is produced in this country and digested in this
country by voters. It's true, you might convince everybody that

(27:36):
all the Democrats are lefties. But I have one thing
to say about that. If people get frustrated enough by
this economy that is being mishandled and chaotically managed by
this administration, if it's clear that this administration essentially monies themselves,
if you hit the corruption nail over and over and
over again, you know how I feel about this. This
is an openly corrupt administration. They are selling everything from

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pardons to participation in the ballroom, and a bunch of
that money goes right into Trump pockets. And I would
make those statements with a fervor and a passion over
and over and over again. If people realize that they
are being left out of the American economy, which is
what New Yorker's realized, If you're being left out of

(28:23):
whatever successes there might be, and you see them minting
more and more billionaires, you'll vote for the Democrat, even
if you buy the bullshit that the Democrat is somehow
a lefty socialist Marxist. It's crazy and as I've just
given you a Spanberger and Cheryl and others who will

(28:43):
run in the upcoming midterm. These are mainstream Democrats, nothing
to do with socialism. But even if they make that stick,
if people feel left out of prosperity, they will vote
against that party that has left them out of prosperity.
And that party that has left them out of prosperity
is clearly the GOP. Now you can say the American

(29:08):
political system favors the wealthy, and you'd be right. The
conversation we're going to have with David Serota in an
hour two is very much about that, how the system
has been infiltrated by so much money that in a way,
we're all left out of the political system. But there
are degrees of left out ness. And now it's getting

(29:31):
a little chilly. When you see what's happening with snap benefits,
with health care costs, and when you see the party
that will be associated with leaving you out in the cold,
you won't vote for them again. So you could have
the same phenomenon that manifested in New York. You could
see it manifest again in the midterms and in the general.

(29:53):
So that's where I see all of this as kind
of informing the moment. Mark is super loud, sounds overmodulated
to me.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Oh, that's I was just talking to Tony.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I know, I know you were, but now I'm concerned. Tony.
We'll turn myself down. I do a great run like that,
and now I'm over modulated.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
We're fine, Tony says, it's okay, it's just me. Don't
worry about that.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Kim. I can't believe it. Kim, you always can just
be Are you such a buzzkill?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Keep you gosh rev piece as you sound fine?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
All right, Well, I'm going to bring on Rothman to
try to save the day, so the Mark Thompson Show.
This man is a scholar, historian, lecturer, and our former
colleague at kg O Radio, the brilliant John Roffman.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
In your modulation is just fine at my head.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Okay, that's Rothman makes some sense of what we've just seen.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
Last night was a sweep for the Democrats. And I'm
not just talking about governorships. I'm talking about the lower
parts of the ticket. It was a magnificent moment and
proves the anger at Donald Trump. That includes, by the way,
California take a look, I should have put money on it.
But I said, and many of you heard me say
this in my own podcasts, that at least sixty percent,

(31:26):
if not more, of California voters would vote for Prop fifty.
And they did, and it expresses the anger at Donald Trump.
What the White House must understand is that fury as
for Mondamie and the victory in New York. If they
had a stronger candidate than Pomo, who knows what would
have happened. But I can tell you that among Jews

(31:51):
in New York, fear, disappointment, and frustration are all mounting
because the level of Jew hatred seems to be rising.
How am on DOMMI deal with that, that's a whole
other resion. But and I want to make it clear,
he now has a challenge. He made campaign commitments. People

(32:14):
are counting on him, and if he fails, well, the
progressives are going to take a real hit.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
So I want to swing over to California. Of course,
you're right, Policies promised on some level have to be
policies delivered, or at least the delivery attemptest to be there.
In New York, let me get to California because you
mentioned it, and a big victory for Gavin Newsom, who
was out in front of this Prop fifty. Prop fifty again,
as everyone knows, is the redrawing of districts in California

(32:40):
to essentially squeeze out five additional seats to match the
five seats squeezed out by Texas. This is all the
midterm messing around that Trump demanded to try to hang
on to the House of Representatives lead. Here's Gavin Newsom
last night, Antony'll give you a little bit of it.

Speaker 13 (32:56):
Contribute their voices and their support for this initiative. We
stood tall, and we stood firm in response to Donald
Trump's recklessness, and tonight, after poking the bear, this bear
roared with an unprecedented turnout in a special election with

(33:17):
an extraordinary result. None of us, however, are naive this
is a pattern, this is a practice. Donald Trump's efforts
to rig the midterm election continue to this day, and
I'll reinforce that in just a moment, you're seeing him
take action all across this country, not just in Texas.

(33:41):
You saw what they were successful able to do in Missouri,
what they did in North Carolina, what they're trying to
do in Indiana and inevitably in Florida.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
They are not screwing around. In June of this year, we.

Speaker 13 (33:57):
Saw four thousand National Guard federalized in the state of California.
We saw seven hundred active duty Marines, not sent overseas,
but sent to the second largest city in the United
States of America to militarize our streets. We said in
June this was a preview of things to come. What

(34:18):
more evidence do you need than what happened in Washington,
d C. What's happening up in Portland cities like Chicago.
When we kicked off this campaign just ninety or so
days ago in Little Tokyo in southern California, in La
at the Democracy Center, Donald Trump sent Greg Bovino. He

(34:41):
sent his private police force that increasingly appears to have
taken an oath of office to Donald Trump, not to
the Constitution of the United States. He sent them to
our kickoff rally to chill free expression, to chill free speech,
intimidate people from participating.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Just today.

Speaker 13 (35:06):
In Los Angeles, Jernald Trump called up the Border Patrol,
sent them to Dodger Stadium through a fastball at free speech.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's newsome and Newsom's right. I mean, you know, you
can criticize Newsom and gets a lot of criticism to
slick blah blah blah in bed with the healthcare profession,
I mean, all of these things. He's a traditional candidate
from the standpoint of taking money from all these unholy
places and with all these unholy alliances. But he's absolutely right.
I mean, it is the case that California and Los

(35:39):
Angeles specifically has sort of been on the business end
of the thuggery that is Washington and that Bovino who
is nothing more than the top thug who goes to
these various places of these congregate settings with all of
these potentially potential deportees and detainees, they to become deportees

(36:02):
and detainees, and he arrests people, and he does it
in the most flash bang way, you know. But John,
this is a significant moment, and the turnout that he
referenced is significant as well. I mean, I thought he
was correct about that.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
So did I. And he's running for president. Last night,
what you heard was a campaign speech, the opening campaign
speech of his campaign for the Democratic nomination. I was
asked the other day, what about Kamala Harris, who was
also indicating she may run. Let me remind you that
they could cut a deal. After all, to have a

(36:39):
former vice president of the United States his secretary of
State in a democratic administration for many Democrats would prevent
the massive fight which otherwise would be part of.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
This Do you think Kamala Harris would agree to be
secretary of state? And I knew some administry, So let
me ask you.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
If I'd asked you whether Hillary Clinton would agree to
be secretary of state, what would you have said. Well,
I'm saying you're they cut a compromise. They if they
run against each other. Remember, a house divided against itself
cannot stand.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But once she but here's the difference between that which
you've just proffered and this situation Hillary Clinton at that
time that she made that deal, You're so right to
reference it had never been top of ticket, you know
what I mean? She Kamala Harris lost top of ticket.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
And I'm telling you, if you want to have a
future in government, and you may have to go through
a competitive primary which could deep six year chances, then
becoming secretary of State isn't a bad option.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I see. Okay, that's that that frames it in a
different way. So, John, as you look at the political landscape,
you see a rising dissatisfaction with Washington with this administration.
Everything from the ice raids, which are ramped up and
more aggressive. They're popular, they don't poll well, and yet

(38:01):
he's doubled down on them. Trump has, in fact even
spoke of it that way in the sixty minutes interview.
And then you talk about these extra judicial killings off
the coast of Venezuela. You have moved a major American
hardware in there. So it looks as though there may
be some kind of attack on land bases in Venezuela.
It's an odd look for a guy who was pitching

(38:23):
for the Nobel Peace Prize a month ago. As you
assessed this situation, the tariff conversation that's being had in
at skotis right now. Give me your assessment of the
Trump brand and of MAGO world right now.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Well. I listened carefully to the Supreme Court argument this morning.
Was fascinating. Trump is going to lose. I'm convinced that
there are at least four members of the Court who
are in the middle, who are not inclined about with
Trump on tariffs. Based on what I heard this morning,
and they are are suggesting they're fast tracking this, which

(39:02):
means we could get a decision before the end of
the year for Donald Trump if his tariffs are knocked down,
and they should be. If they are knocked down, it
puts a tremendous crimp in his administration. But there's something
else that nobody is talking about, and that is that
the House of Representatives has been out of session now

(39:23):
for longer than I have ever heard, and guess what
they're going to come back, And the minute they do,
a new representative from Arizona will be sworn in and
that will give the Democrats and some Republicans, some believe
as many as thirty Republicans in the end vote for
a discharge resolution on the Epstein files. Now, we have

(39:47):
not talked about what happened to Andrew, the former Prince,
but let me be crystal clear. Trump is afraid of
something it has to do with Epstein. And if those
files are released and they are as devastating as some
people believe they will be, this whole matrix changes. So

(40:09):
those are the two things that I'm keeping my eye on,
and I think it's worth watching carefully.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Do you think the government will reopen before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 6 (40:21):
I wish I knew the answer. I hope so. I
listened this morning to Debbie Dingle, congresswoman from Michigan. Her
suggestion is that Democrats aren't going to give in either
of the Republicans. However, you will note that Donald Trump,
in his discussions yesterday with the Republican leadership, want the
filibuster suspended. Republicans in the Senate are resistant to that

(40:45):
because they understand what could happen if that were to
happen and the Democrats one day controlled the Senate.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Tony Tony put it back up there that Donald Trump
Social Post Republicans terminate the phillipuster. It's all in capital letters.
Of course, philibuster is misspelled. It's always interesting to me
just as and decide that Trump can be so singular
about like remember when he was talking about Thailand all
and he had a whole big thing. He goes out
and it's a whole big thing about a scene of
minifan misspelled it and he couldn't say the one thing

(41:17):
he was talking about, which is a seed of minisis I.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Said, I said, a minifin commonly known as Thailand.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
All right, But and you can, like any one of
us could have blown the pronunciation of a seed of minifan.
I mean, it's like a tough thing to but but
you knew you were only going to be speaking to
the president of the country about that one thing. You'd
think you might have just run it through your head
a couple of times. Similarly, he's focused completely on the filibuster.
So he writes, Republicans, terminate the philibuster. It's misspelled. Get

(41:43):
back to passing legislation and voter reform. President dj T,
by the way, because it's misspelled. You know he actually
wrote it. Uh, he wants a termination of this filibuster.
Game that out explaining that philibuster again to us, John.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
Rosss, I don't think it will happen. Remember, the philibuster
was just to protect minority rights.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
And what is it? John?

Speaker 6 (42:05):
What is a filibuster?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (42:06):
How long can you stand up and talk?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
But explain rules six sean, why the philibuster, How the
filibuster is used in blocking legislation and in the passion
of legislation, block.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Legislation and to create an environment where nothing can happen.
And what Trump is saying is use the nuclear option.
That that's what he's talking about to eliminate the filibuster,
which means with fifty one votes in the Senate they
would be able to move forward.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, and the nuclear option is just that that fifty
one votes is enough to pass whatever you want to pass.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
The Republicans are saying, we understand that, but look how
that could be used against us. But see, Donald Trump
doesn't have a long term thought and he is not
a creature of Congress. He doesn't understand what would happened
in the Senate.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Uh So the answer is, you don't know about the
reopening of the government. You think that this is what
I'm nobody knows, of course, and.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
So you understand this has nothing to do with opening
or closing the government. This has to do with the
fear that the resolution about the Epstein will come before
the House.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Right, That's what I get from you, that that this
visculation is.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Yeah, there are at least thirty Republicans who, if the
discharge resolution is put on the floor, will vote for it,
which means that Donald Trump and his cover up, if
that's what it is, are in trouble. If I were
Donald Trump and I had nothing to hide. It's like
Nixon and the Watergate tapes. You have nothing to hide.

(43:46):
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Sure? Sure, it's clear that there's a lot to this
Epstein file or Epstein's series of files or Epstein information.
There's clear that there's a lot here. It's not just
Trump or the Trump is all over it like a
bad smell. He was Epstein's best friend. I did want
to double back and quickly because you were talking about redistricting,
and I thought, you know, you kind of explained how

(44:10):
how critical it is, and you know, when they do
get the house back underway and we you know, do
have a redistricting, It's possible that this is the other
thing that kind of speaks to what you're saying. I mean,
if you were confident that you have a policy message
and that your policies under MAGA and Trump are so good,
then you wouldn't have to ask for, in fact demand

(44:32):
from the Texas legislature the redrawing of districts a mid
decade like this. And now that has to be answered
by California. I mean, obviously that game suggests they're very
insecure about the outcome. But California's redistricting, which did pass.
I mean again, the okaying of the redistricting that did
pass by overwhelming majority, that is now being challenged by

(44:55):
the GOP. Republicans are asking a federal court to block
the newly approved maps in California that were designed to
flip as many as five House seats for Democrats.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
And Donald Trump will tell you the whole thing was crooked,
that it was rigged. His words, rigged. But every election
which he loses is rigged. Because obviously, Mark, if the
people were really being judged and voting properly, they'd all
vote for Donald Trump and they'd vote for his positions.
So who is really worried about this in California are

(45:27):
the Republicans. They have no elected public official from the
Republican Party in a major situation. And so there's no
doubt that this is a critical matter for Trump, and
he's directing his Justice Department to go after California voters.
Oh wait, Mark, I forgot to remind you. Do you

(45:49):
remember in twenty sixteen, Trump would have carried the state
of California except there were three million illegal voters. And
do you remember what Donald Trump did? He appointed a
commission led by then Vice President Mike Pence and you
know how often that commission met once and you know
what their conclusion was, There was nothing there.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Well, it's all about messaging with Trump. So that's the key.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Yeah, except now, if the discharge resolution comes before the House,
and if Congress reconvened, I haven't said a word about.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
The discharge resolution essentially says hey.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
We're gonna you have to vote. Yeah, vot kicker Johnson
at the behest of the White House is preventing that
from happening. You talk about corruption, and of course, the
financial corruption in this administration is beyond comprehension. Uh, never
in the history of our country we've seen billions of
dollars flowing to a family because of their corruption. It's

(46:50):
it's just astounding. But the other aspect of corruption is
what's happening now in terms of the House of Representatives.
Trump has bullied the Republicans and Speaker Johnson's reputation is
on the line. What's he going to do if there's
a discharge resolution and what's he going to do if

(47:12):
he doesn't want it to pass? He can't stop it.
May I raise one other issue that is of critical importance,
and that is the future of Nancy Pelosi. She has
not announced what she's going to do, but we are
told that shortly there will be an announcement about whether
or not she's going to run for reelection, and that
will be fascinating as well, because for those who live

(47:33):
in northern California, the battle for Nancy Pelosi's seat is critical.
And by the way, what makes it critical is the
primary because whoever emerges in the primary, and you could
have two Democrats, by the way, running against each other,
it'll be one of the most expensive races in the
history of the country.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
You think Pelosi will push away.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
I have no idea. You know, I've known Nancy very well,
even before she was a member of the House. She
loves what she's doing. Will she be convinced not to run?
She does have opposition. Scott Wiener, who is a well
known quantity here, has raised more than a million dollars
to run against Nancy Pelosi. It would be a battle royal.

(48:17):
And we still don't know whether Nancy's daughter, Christine is
planning to run for the seat as well. So you know,
there are a lot of interesting developments here in San
Francisco in terms of the political battle, which most certainly
will ensure a battle here in the city.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
She is, it is being noted in the chat, she's
eighty five. I'm not a big one for looking at
the trips around the sun critically. I think a lot
of people who are eighty five or you know, every
bit as sharp as anyone who's fifty five. But the
Dianne Feinstein moments really were deductive on some level. John,

(49:01):
it was a bad look. There's a lot of that.
There's a lot of that on Capitol Hill, honestly, on
both sides from both parties.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
Sure, look at what we're facing now with the Republicans
who also have senior citizens in key leadership roles. But
I have to tell you I saw Nancy recently. She's vigorous,
she's powerful, she doesn't appear her age. But when you're
eighty five, you're eighty five. That's all there is to it.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
What can you do? Yeah, Pelosi is old, but she
still has her marvels, says John Watson.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Yes she does. She's brilliant and by the way, still
the most prodigious fundraiser for Democrats in the House of Representatives.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Prodigious is a ding word. I will then I will
leave you John Rothman with the final word on this
special election, trends and the reopening of government, might it happen,
and what we can draw from at all the day after.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
If I were a Democrat, I'd be very encouraged. I
think the feeling against Trump is growing rapidly. I think
he his Hubris is his own worst enemy. And as
for the reopening government, we'll see. It has to reopen,
there's no question about it. But the most important thing
will be even if they reopen, the question will be

(50:23):
about the discharge resolution and Epstein. So listen, there's so
much to talk about, and you give me so little
time that all I can say is despite that, I
urge listeners to support the Mark Thompson program. Thank you,
And when you do your next fundraiser, just let me
know I will be there.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, we haven't done a we haven't done a meeting.
It's true. Hubris is a deaner also there in a while,
so I will. Jane Fonda is eighty seven, says c
c Ryder, and has the mental capacity an energy of
a fifty year old. Love that woman. Yeah, it's true.
It's not always about how old. But still you know.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Right when you've been in Congress as long as she has.
And let me tell you, Scott Wiener, member of State Senate,
has decided to run against her. He's raised a million dollars.
Scott Wiener is no fool. He understands that eventually there
won't be a Nancy Pelosi. He wants to be in
the position to take that House seat. And let me

(51:26):
point out respectfully to people that whoever represents San Francisco
in the House of Representatives in recent years, whether it
was Phil Burton or Saliburton or Nancy Pelosi, and those
are the three who occupied that seat, they are a
huge influence in the House of Representatives. So these are
all questions. And let me just leave you with a thought.

(51:47):
I'll be interested to see how the Democrats sort out
the whole question of what happened in New York City.
Mondamie is really on the line now in terms of
producing for his people, and I can just reiterate that
amongst some there is fear, disappointment, and frustration at his victory,
but for others it is the beginning of a new dawn,

(52:09):
a new age, sort of like the Mark Thompson program.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Oh that's I love how you tie it all up.
That's why you're such a professional. John Roffman, everybody, thanks John.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
See the Mark Thompson Show. I'm excited about the next hour.
I'll tell you why David Sarota is coming through. I
am a big believer in the truth that Sarota serves up.

(52:41):
And if you don't know Sarota's work, he does the
lever et cetera. I'll review it for you obviously when
he arrives, but I would encourage you to listen because
he's just terrific. And Belinda Weymouth and most regulars to
this show know who she is. She will do It's
the Planet Stupid and take us through the world of
the environment. And she's got a story about Tesla today

(53:03):
which is kind of weird and interesting and might I
say positive. So yeah, so it's going to be I
know that's very inconsistent with the grim outlook of our
show these days. I'm just very grim. I've just got
a very I don't know, a downcast view of everything seems.

(53:27):
I'm lifted up by last night's results. And in Maine,
voters approved a red flag law on guns. Yeah, big story. Actually,
the twenty second state to have an extreme risk protection
gun law. A red flag law is what they're called.

(53:47):
There was a bunch of a state ballot measures on
the ballots across the country, taxes, parental rights, voting rules,
and gun rights, and again red flag laws. Main voters
passed a ballot question Tuesday that will allow people to
petition courts to have firearms taken away from their family

(54:11):
members if they're deemed to pose risks to themselves or others.
It was opposed this measure by a bipartisan group of
state leaders. The governor Democratic governor was against these red
flag laws and top Republicans as well. They have a

(54:32):
yellow flag law already in effect, requiring law enforcement officers
to take people into protective custody and to get behavioral
health assessments before they can petition to confiscate firearms. So
they are a bunch of sort of bureaucratic things. But
when you think somebody's dangerous and they got a gun,
you want to be able to throw the switch on
them sooner anyway. That yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Academic researchers in California from UC Davis say that red
flag laws are the single most effective tool to prevent
gun violence. In America.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Wow, Wow, Louise says, this mark how to intelligent people
ignore the killings in Minnesota Paul Pelosi's hammer attack January sixth,
the call to harm Jeffreys, Hakeem Jeffries, et cetera, and
come out with all the violence is on the left.

(55:23):
You were so gracious for our pal. This is a
conversation I had last night. I didn't want to get
into it. It's a much different energy there on that show,
and I don't really want to get into it with him.
That's why, you know, Louise knows. I mean, you can
go further than that. I mean, he was suggesting that
all the violence really are more violence comes from the left.

(55:46):
Thank you for the super chat, Louise. I really appreciate
that there was a It was sort of offered that
they have more violence on the left, more extreme violence
on the left than there is on the right. And
that just seems to me to complete completely indefensible. I
don't know how you said that, And then it was
kicked off by a Charlie Kirk thing. And even if
you look at the Charlie Kirk guy, he was a
he's a Nick Fuentes acolyte. You know, you know Nick

(56:10):
wentis the white supremacist, so you know, far right. So
that's what kicked off the conversation. You mentioned Jay six,
and I didn't mention the Proud Boys. That didn't mention
the three percenters. I mean, I didn't mention or is
it the six percenters? What percent is it? But but
you know, these white power groups that exist on the
on the right are real. And then of course January sixth,

(56:32):
where you know you had protesters, rioters beating cops within
an inch of their lives. I mean, so that really
I mean, but again I didn't get into it last
night because I do want it, and so I wasn't
even going to mention on the show. But Luisa, you know,
mentioned it. This is super chat the uh anything else
I need to get to before I I want to

(56:55):
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(57:39):
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That's really generous.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I think you did.

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Oh, I did mention it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Sure it's still nice, still nice.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah. Anyway, if you thank you for the ninety dollars check,
Barbara is who it was, and Barbara, you know who
you are. Thank you for the check and big shoutout.
Ninety bucks is really helpful. On a side note, Mark,
I love the hair today. The color of the style

(01:00:48):
is great. I got the hair cut and colored for
your big trip. I'm going to a wedding, so yeah,
I've got my I'm trying to I was reloading for
the big wedding. But I'm glad that I'm glad that
it passes. I'm going to have a cup of democracy
this morning, says Ronda. Yeah, it was a good night
for Democrats again. They won in places they should win,

(01:01:12):
but margins of victory. Certainly very impressive and maybe a
bell weather, maybe a trend. I feel like I can
breathe again after the election result, says Sandy and RWC,
which is Redwood City. Phineas, So sorry it didn't work
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Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Oh I'm sad. Oh that's really sad. Sorry about that
mango is Oh, it's so sad. Well, you know how
we feel about animals on this show. So I'm very
sorry for any headwinds, physical headwinds or loss. Richard Delamator says,

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if something happens, we will never forget you. Mark.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Wow, I uh, who is having that conversation?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Man? I that's really that really went really dark. Gosh,
I know Kim will pick the mantle right back up
if something really happens to me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
No, No, the Mark Thompson Show is nothing without Mark
Thompson's stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Mark b like, are we there yet? Columbia? Come on, vamonos, vamos.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Are you gonna send us videos and pictures?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I will, I'll send you videos and pictures from Columbia.
I really will donate to the Second Harvest Food Bank.
This season. Our fellow families are in need more than
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a great age of the USA Show. Get the job done.
Trump for Alcatraz, says Citizen Market, and Bonita says this,
thank you, Mark, enjoy your vacation break that you certainly deserve.
Awesome podcast. Why can't we have more Bonita on this show?

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My audience is going on another vacation marked on vacation.
No No, I'm just I am. I'm delighted by Bonita.
I want more Bonita in my life, I really do. Kim,
give me a headline or two before Serota arrives, and
then we'll get to David Sarota, the brilliant Sarota, who

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is a creator of the Lever. He's got a new
book out as well, So smash the like button. Kim
some headlines and commentary as we continue the Marks Show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
On The Mark Thompson Show. I'm Kim McCallister. This report
sponsored by Coachella Valleycoffee dot Com. Democrats taken a little
victory lap after yesterday's key elections, voters electing Democratic socialist
Zorn Mamdani as the next mayor of New York City,
Democrat Abigail Spanberger winning the Virginia governor's race, Democrat Mikey

(01:04:14):
Cheryl winning the governor's race. In New Jersey, and California,
voters past Prop fifty calling for the redrawing of congressional
maps to favor Democrats in the state of California directly
in opposition to what they're doing in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
And again, the one thing I would say is, when
it comes to turnout and it comes to outcome, you
do have to look at this as a bit of
a referendum on Trump and mega policies. But I would
also say that on the question of socialist candidate wins,
and look at all the lefties that are socialists who
won with no apart from Mamdani, nobody was a socialist.

(01:04:48):
Those are mainstream Democrats who had a populist message and
policy centric message. But they were not and are not
lefty socialist, Marxist anything. They're very mainstream speakin of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
The governors of New Jersey and Virginia, the governor's elect
I should say both are making history and they also
have some interesting things in common. Former Representative Abigail Spanberger
now will serve as Virginia's first female governor when she
takes office in January. Representative Mikey Cheryl will become the
first Democratic female governor of New Jersey when she is

(01:05:23):
sworn in. Turns out the two were roommates sharing an
apartment in Washington when they served in Congress together. Spanberger
is a New Jersey native born and partially raised in
Red Bank, and Cheryl was born in Alexandria, Virginia, before
moving around the East Coast and then graduating from high
school in Virginia, So they kind of flip flop there.

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Date of President Trump's tariffs now rests in the hands
of the Supreme Court. The justices heard a suit today
brought by Democratic leaders in twelve states challenging the legality
of these tariffs, which Trump imposed without Congress. The hearing
came on the same day that Trump is in Miami
talking about his economic agenda. He is attending one of

(01:06:04):
the largest global business summits summits in the Americas on
the same day that his signature economic policy faced the
biggest challenge back in DC.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
So he's no one's been worse for global business than
Donald Trump. Global business summit that Donald Trump is speaking
on is a that's a laughline. That is absolutely ironic.
Global business has been, I would suggest, gut punched by
these chaotic Donald Trump tariffs. So the idea that somehow

(01:06:35):
he could be addressing a global business summit police this
guy is an absolute He's like the COVID nineteen of
global business.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
I have to correct myself because I think I just
said the first governor of New Jersey, that Cheryl is
the first female governor of New Jersey. And I was
thinking when I was saying it that Christine Todd Whitman
also served as a female governor of New Jersey. So
the second what would you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Like to apologize for?

Speaker 11 (01:07:06):
Would you like to apologize for what you've done?

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I think I should throw out of my bad and
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I'm show what is the actual what is the correction?
What is the statement that you're comfortable with? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Mims McCallister, I would like to say that Cheryl is
the second female governor in the state of New Jersey's history.
My words upset so many people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, you were. I wasn't going to mention it until
the poster the after action review.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I knew it as I was coming out of my mouth,
and I thought, that's not right. A Republican group, as
Mark mentioned earlier, is challenging Prop fifty, passed overwhelmingly by
voters and yesterday's special election. Assemblyman David Tangeepa, who until
yesterday represented much of the San Joaquin Valley east to
the Nevada state line, says Prop fifty did not take

(01:07:52):
into account the makeup of communities and has diminished the
voices of a lot of people across the state. He says,
a federal life lawsuit is being brought by assemblymen at Tangipa,
the Dylan Law Group, eighteen California voters, and the California
Republican Party, so we'll see how that happens, how they
do with that. A federal judge is warning that the

(01:08:15):
Justice Department may be veering close to mishandling evidence in
its criminal case against former FBI director James Comy. The
judge making the assertion during a hearing in the case
on Wednesday. It comes as the case has already faced
both public and internal concerns. During the hearing, the judge
pressed the prosecutor for direct answers on exactly what evidence

(01:08:37):
the Justice Department has in its possession and whether anyone
on the investigative side had looked at records that should
be confidential because their attorney client communications. The judge will
ultimately decide whether the department properly handled evidence collected in
a leak investigation involving Comy and an associate. The FBI

(01:08:59):
is urging partner agencies to adequately identify themselves as cases
of people impersonating ICE officers are on the rise. Easy
to do if you get to cover your face and
not wear a badge. Right and October seventeenth bulletin obtained
by the group Property of the People through a public
records request, listed five instances in which someone impersonated an

(01:09:22):
ICE officer, and in some cases, the individuals committed violent crimes.
The FBI bulletin says the incidents not only affect the
victims and communities, but also have a broader negative consequence
on law enforcement agencies as well. They're encouraging all law
enforcement officers to adequately identify themselves during operations and cooperate

(01:09:42):
with individuals who request further verification. There are fears that
the number of deceased in the ups plane crash could grow.
Officials say so far, at least nine people are confirmed
dead and nearly a dozen or hurt after this crash
that have up into Louisville last night. Today, Kentucky Governor

(01:10:03):
Andy Basheer said the cargo plane burst into flames just
as it was taking off for Hawaii, holding thousands of
gallons of fuel, crashing into an area nearby. So the deaths,
from what I understand, affect people on the plane and
on the ground as well. The investigation on this is underway.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I mean, it was such a massive fireball. You just
knew that there were going to be serious casualties on
the plane and around the plane and on the ground.
And they, as you say, evacuated this massive area knowing
that this was very possible. It was a and it
is an unspeakably tragic situation. Unseen Tony's showing you for

(01:10:45):
those just listening, But you can find it. The I mean,
you can see the fireball and you can see the crash,
and it looks as though I think it preliminarily that
the that that engine fell off the back of the
plane or was supposed to dis lodged in some way.
It was a thirty five year old plane McDonald Douglas
plane and just really a brutal, brutal outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Sean Ditty. Combs hopes the new year brings him a
presidential pardon. Wouldn't that be nice? Merry Christmas? According to TMZ,
the imprisoned rap mogul has been boasting to other inmates
about an alleged pardon from Trump in twenty twenty six.
Combs has been pushing for a pardon since he was
convicted of sex crimes in July and New York and

(01:11:29):
sentenced to serve fifty months in prison. White House is
so far denying those reports. Multiple restaurants. Oh there's a
picture of Trump and Ditty, So who knows? Maybe the
pardon is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
I mean, celebrity rules the day, celebrity and money, both
of which did he has?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yeah, maybe, I mean, I wouldn't Would you be surprised
if a pardon came, because I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
He talked about it. You shood people asking me if
I want a pardon, Diddy, I haven't decided yet. Might happen.
Stay tuned. The Trump impression of I do them as
a mobs pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Multiple restaurants in Philadelphia are reporting a wave of fake
one star reviews on Google. At least nine independently owned
restaurants throughout the city reviewed or received dozens of fraudulent reviews,
and at least one restaurant had a reviewer asked to
be paid through WhatsApp to take down those posts. The

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Federal Trade Commission passed a ruling last year banning fake reviews,
which allows the agency to seek civil penalties of up
to fifty thousand dollars per post. This really affects people's business.
The restaurant owners have reported the reviews, They say they
just want to see Google put more strict measures in
place for people to be able to post. I mean,
you want when you log on to see the truth,

(01:12:51):
not a bunch of fake reviews one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Yeah, the whole world of online reviews seems to be corruptible. Tony.
You may know about this because I feel like you're
a tech guy, Like there are ways to you. You
can bought yourself to five stars and bought somebody else
to one star.

Speaker 14 (01:13:09):
You know, everyone does it. Yeah, you just have to
like filter those out like all the ones in fives.
You just throw them out right away. And you know,
most people do complain. So that's usually rarely see good reviews.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
So that is very true. No, it's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
We know that Trump loves a good game of golf,
and so now the Texas border city of Laredo is
kind of trying to cash in on that. They're inviting
President Trump come on down and play a round of
golf at the municipal course in Laredo, Texas. They say
their goal is to show how it would be ruined
by a proposed border wall if it goes up. Councilmen.

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One of the city councilmen says the invitation is an
outside the box away to bring attention to the issue.
They say they want the federal government to instead beef
up security at ports of entry instead of building a wall.
Would cut off the golf course. Can't imagine ruining a
golf course.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
No, no, the golf. He wants to turn all of
the America into a into the into the ninth hole. Yeah.
Do I hit it long? Is Trump strong? Yeah? He
does hit it long.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Lastly, May revealing who will be performing at this year's
Thanksgiving Day parade. The singers behind Netflix's animated film K
Pop Demon Hunters will entertain the crowds, along with Broadway
performers from the Buena Vista Social Club, Just In Time
and Rag Time. The celebration will include musical and dance

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performances by Gavin de Gras and Foreigner to name a few,
Debbie Gibson, Lil John, Cool In the Gang, Darlene Love
others joining in the fun with the iconic Radio City Rockets.
So it's gonna be a great Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Well, I'm very excited, very very excited that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
As Santa comes down at the end. Are we ready
for that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm looking forward to it. Kim, I really.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Am person woman man camera.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
There should be a person woman man camera to you
the float. That would be a real good one. Yeah.
I love it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But try
number two, says Richard Delamator. We will never forget you,
mrk get it. That's he says, get it now. I
see now, I do get it that he's already forgotten me.

(01:15:35):
But because he's misspelled my name.

Speaker 10 (01:15:38):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yeah, I get it now. Big shout out, big shout
out to Richard Delamator.

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Jada had nothing to do with it.

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A lot of people are telling me you're a liar.
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Where are my weed smokers at?

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
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Don't talk to me that way. That was very inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
That's not fake.

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It's fantastic. Whoever is reducing this thing has no idea
what they're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
The science is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
I'm excited that you are here. We are a live
show every day Monday through Friday, two to four in
the East, eleven to one in the West from the
United States of America. Troubled as we are, we try
to work it all out, or as much of it
out as we can. Let me know if Sorota gets here.
I'm hoping Sorota will get here. What time is you

(01:18:50):
supposed to get here? A few minutes ago? Kim, of
course is not on and yet she's speaking or no,
she's checking.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Sorry, he's twelve fifteen twelve, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
So he's a little that's short fifteen Pacific. So we're
where he's well behind. We can check to see if
he's coming by after I've given him a rich and
wondrous introduction and tease that he was going to be here.
For him not to be here, of course, means I
have to do what I have to turn on him

(01:19:23):
like a rabbit animal.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
No, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yes, it won't be pretty. If Sarota is a no, show.
The fact is I've gone to school for Sarota, I've
supported Sarota financially. I've been a long subscriber of all
of his stuff. Now he's a no show. Probably there's

(01:19:48):
an what are my extraordinary circumstance that dictates why, you know,
some extenuating thing, but knows.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I just sent him a follow up email, so we'll
see if he comes pops on. He's got a new book.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Though, Yeah, exactly, we have processes, approach, calls and standing.
His new book is sort of about the corrupt American
political system under Citizens United, how that kick to open
the door to corporate money essentially well essentially enabling the
buying of elections. And so that's his book, master Plan,

(01:20:20):
the hidden plot to legalize corruption in America. I haven't
read it, but I do have it. I'm going to
get it. I'll read it probably on my way to Colombia.
But I can tell you that there is more going on.
In a way, this is a blessing because I did
want to get to this story. And Mark Thompson show
at least two FBI agents. I've got a lot on

(01:20:40):
the FBI involved in past investigations into President Donald Trump,
were told that they had been fired, only to learn
later that those terminations had been reversed or put on hold.
Then the next morning this just happened Monday, and the
next morning is Tuesday, the two agents learned they had
indeed been fired.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Wait a minute, Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Yeah. The chaotic process highlights the turmoil and uncertainty across
the federal law enforcement world amid overhauls of the Justice
Department an FBI that have targeted those who helped secure
indictments against Trump or are viewed by the President as
aligned with his political enemies. I mean, that's what really
government has become us versus them. The targeted FBI agents

(01:21:28):
were tied to either Special Counsel Jack Smith's probe or
the initial investigation into Trump that began in twenty twenty
two that was called Arctic Frost. An FBI spokesperson declined
to comment on this. The US Attorney's Office for the
District of Columbia didn't want to comment either. The FBI
Agent's Association, which represents FBI employees, criticized the action. Meantime,

(01:21:53):
Cash Battel also dismissed Stephen Palmer, a twenty seven year
veteran of the FBI who in part oversaw the agency's
use of government planes and led to a critical incident
response group. I'm sorry, led the critical incident response group,
not led to, but he was in charge of this

(01:22:16):
incident response group, so he handles the use of the
planes and this incident response group. Palmer's firing is because
he blew the whistle through the flag on Cash Battel
using the FBI jet to jet around to see his girlfriend.

(01:22:37):
So Patel, having been busted, decided wait a minute, and
pivoted to actually firing the person responsible. This guy's the
FBI almost thirty years. Let's take a look. There is

(01:22:58):
a bit on Patel that we have for you. Here,
go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:23:00):
The FBI forced out a senior official overseeing aviation shortly
after Director Cash Pettel grew outrage about revelations of his
publicly available jet logs indicating he'd flown to see his
musician girlfriend perform, said three people familiar with the situation.
Stephen Palmer, a twenty seven year veteran of the FBI,

(01:23:22):
became the third head of the Critical Incident Response Group,
which includes FBI pilots, to be fired or removed in
Patel's short regime, adding to a year filled with retributive terminations.
Back with us, he's Senator Sheldon Whitehouse and Senator it
sounds like there's a new question for confirmation hearings for

(01:23:45):
FBI directors. Will you use the plane for date night?

Speaker 11 (01:23:52):
He kind of teed this up for himself, Old Patel did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
He repeatedly.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
It wasn't just that once.

Speaker 11 (01:23:59):
He repeatedly attacked Chris Ray, who, by the way, had
done great service to the Trump administration providing cover for
the fake Kevin On investigation. So he kind of has
been turned on here, Chris Ray. And anyway, there's Patel
attacking him over and over and over again about use
of the FBI jet.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
So there's the hypocrisy.

Speaker 11 (01:24:22):
Then with all these Trump people, there's the entitlement.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
I mean, this is bling for them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
They just want.

Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
To eat up every executive perk they can get near,
and frankly, the more they abuse it, the cooler it
seems to be for them. So buzzing around the country
in the FBI jet for dates with his girlfriend seems
like an okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Thing to them.

Speaker 11 (01:24:45):
And then what's really cheesy, I mean, the part that
angers me here more than even just the waste is
when he's caught, when he's busted doing something that's stupid,
Instead of owning up to it, he takes it out
on a twenty s seven year FBI veteran who runs
the Critical Incident Response Group and he fires that person

(01:25:08):
because his tail the tail number on his jet was
being tracked the way the tail numbers on essentially every
jet are being tracked. So there was nothing that the
Critical Incident Response Team.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Leader did that was wrong. He just has he just
Patel just needed a fall guy.

Speaker 11 (01:25:28):
And I got to believe that in an organization like
the FBI, when you start doing things like that, it
starts to poison the agency against you, and more and
more whistleblowers begin to emerge because they know the boss
is not competent and not decent and was bad for
the organization that they serve and love.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Yeah, it's corruption, and he's right. The FBI has got
serious problems under Bettel, who couldn't find the men's room
at the FBI. He's utterly unqualified except for the fact
that he has a great fealty to Donald Trump. That's
why he got there to begin with. I'm a delighted
guy because David Serota just arrived. So I'm gonna Martin Tullison.

(01:26:10):
I've been singing the praises of this guy all through
the show because I support him. I support all of
his efforts. I'm if there's a chance to subscribe or
buy or whatever, I do it. He is the chief
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the founder, owner, editor in chief of the Lever. He's
also an OSCAR nominated writer and worked as Bernie Sanders

(01:26:33):
presidential campaign speech writer. He is brilliant. The Lever by
the way, a nonpartisan, reader supported investigative news outlet. They
do great stuff. Just go onto the site and we'll
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can just knock around there. His new book is master Plan,
The Hidden Plot to Legalize Corruption in America. How about
it for David Saroda.

Speaker 10 (01:26:55):
Hello, sir, hi there, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Yeah, you know, I'm just such a huge fan. I
mentioned to somebody who works on the show, I could
talk to David Sharota every day on the show. You
really just have that kind of window on things. So
I want to start with the book because I think
in a way, what you talk about in the book
and what happened last night, particularly in New York City,
there is a connection when it comes to corporate a

(01:27:18):
corruption of our elections and corporate money versus private money.
Can you speak to that, David? Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:27:25):
I mean, look, I think that what we saw in
the election, especially in New York City, was obviously an
attempt to buy the election for Andrew Cuomo by the
oligarchs of that city, and it didn't work. And I
think what's not well understood is why it didn't work.
I think people have been asking how did Zoron Mamdani

(01:27:48):
win that race? And was it because he's charismatic? Was
it because he had a great message, Was it because
he had amazing slick social media ads and the like?
All those things are definitely only true. But what'sarro on, mom,
Donnie had which a lot of candidates don't have, was
enough resources to run a competitive campaign. And he was

(01:28:08):
able to raise those resources without having to ask oligarchs
for those resources. So he was able to run an
anti oligarchy campaign knowing he would have resources because specifically
of New York City's clean elections system, which gives public
financing to qualifying candidates to allow them to run competitive

(01:28:31):
races without having to rely on donations from big donors
expecting legislative favors. New York system of public financing of
elections matches small dollar donations to about seven to one.
So for every one dollar in small dollar donations a
candidate raises, they get seven dollars in public money to
run their campaign. And so if you're looking for a

(01:28:54):
takeaway of how other places can get outside the system,
anti oligarch candidates, anti corruption candidates, you should be looking
at whether your city or your state has a system
of publicly financed elections, because to me, this is the

(01:29:15):
main way we can get more candidates who can run
populist campaigns with positions that the public wants, but that
perhaps the donor class and the oligarchy doesn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Because the process itself, David Right, is so corrupted by
money that to even get to the point where you
can pull the lever for a candidate, you need to
have made so many unholy arrangements along the way and
fight this machine that has been baked in for decades,
which is I think the essential point of your book.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:29:53):
So, if you are running in a place like New
York and there's no public financing system, and you are
running a in a city where one in four people
live in poverty and one in twenty four people are millionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:30:07):
They really a truly Dickenzian situation. It's a place where
an anti oligarch, populist, anti corruption message is going to
have resonance, except for the fact that if there weren't
wasn't public financing of elections, you wouldn't have enough money
to make sure even enough voters knew who you were.

(01:30:27):
New York had a corruption scandal, and out of the
corruption scandal was created this system of publicly financed campaigns.
It was a way to combat what we document in
our book The master Plan. The Master Plan tells the
story of how conservatives and oligarchs got together after Watergate
to work on deregulating the campaign finance system, weakening and

(01:30:50):
narrowing anti bribery laws because they understood that they had
a democracy problem. For them, that the democracy was being
two responsive. In their view, the government was becoming too
responsive to what people wanted, and so they understood that

(01:31:13):
they had to try to short circuit the election system
and allow money to buy elections.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Can I skip ahead in the movie and ask you
if this is and I think you've hinted at maybe
the answer. But is this an irreversible thing? It seems
so ironclad. It seems like the presidential election showcases it,
perhaps every four years, but that all along the way
in the American elections, even down ticket, there is just

(01:31:45):
a baked in corruption because of this big money that
has now been legalized, and so this legalized corruption has
ruined America forever. Is it your point, and is it
a point that this is reversible? This is not sort
of where we end up forever.

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
This is definitely reversible. I mean, I feel more optimistic
than I ever have in all the work that I've
done for now twenty five years, that this is really reversible.
For a number of reasons. One top of mind is
I don't think anybody needs to be convinced anymore that
the system is endemically corrupt right where we see, you know,

(01:32:22):
the kind of cartoonish corruption that we see has brought
us all beyond the idea of saying, well, things aren't
that corrupt, right, We don't have to make an argument
and convince people that things are endemically corrupt, so we're
beyond that. The question is whether we accept it as

(01:32:43):
normal or not, or whether we say this is not normal,
this is not natural, and there are things we can
do to limit it. I mean, I would be lying
to you if I said that money that we can
achieve a situation where money has no power at all
in our policy. I don't think we're going to get there.
Money will always have some influence. The question is whether

(01:33:04):
it should be totally dominant or not. And I think
there are ways that are happening right now to make
it less dominant. So we just talked about the New
York mayor's race, right a mayor's race in the global
capital of finance, a place with tons of billionaires, an
election that elected an anti oligarch, anti corruption populist because

(01:33:28):
New York created a system of publicly financed campaigns that
helps candidates who are outside of the oligarchy. So publicly
financed campaigns is one thing that can be done even
in the post Citizens United era. The Supreme Court has
held that up. There is a situation in Montana where
leaders of both parties are aiming to put on the

(01:33:50):
ballot a measure that would say Essentially, corporations are no
longer considered under the law to be people and that
they can not spend in elections. And this again relies
on Supreme Court precedent to say that we the corporations
are artificial entities created by state laws, something that the

(01:34:12):
Supreme Court is upheld, and we are using that state
power to say that corporations no longer get to buy
our elections. Montana can do that, Other states can do that.
There are Montana red state, red state exactly. There is
legislation at the federal and it's in state at the
state level to demand and require transparency when it comes

(01:34:36):
to dark money spending. Arizona, a purple state, passed an
anti dark money initiative by seventy plus percent of the vote.
Main recently passed a ballot measure in a case that's
now going probably to the Supreme Court, to regulate the
amount of money that any one donor can give a

(01:34:56):
super pack. It would effectively end if the case successful.
Their ballot measure passed by seventy percent, it would effectively.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
End super packs.

Speaker 10 (01:35:06):
So I guess my point in bringing all of this
up is I'm not here to tell you that money
will play, will get to a place where money plays
no factor in American politics at all. I don't think
we're near there. I do think we are approaching a
critical mass of interest and anger where we can get
to a place where we have significantly limited the amount

(01:35:30):
that money plays a process. And I want to just
reiterate that the master Plan that we trace, this plan
that was executed to deregulate our campaign finance system, limit
anti bribery laws. It was created by a group of
people who had a specific set of ideas, specific set
of goals that they wanted, and they executed a plan.

(01:35:54):
They did it because they understood that they were not
that democracy was a threat to them, and they would
vote one person, one vote democracy. They would not get
the unpopular policies that they wanted. They understood that they
needed to create it essentially a one dollar, one vote system.
But I guess I bring that all up to say
they executed that plan, which means it was not a

(01:36:17):
force of nature, which means it can be rolled back,
which means it can be fought.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Well, that's just a great message. Again. We'll have a
link to the book Master Plan under this video, so
you can just click through and get it. In my
last minute or two with you, I want to go
back to New York for a second, because there was
another sense I got, which was that many New Yorkers
feel as though in this very expensive city of New
York that they can't participate in the economic prosperity that

(01:36:43):
they see themselves surrounded by, as you suggest, with all
these billionaires and millionaires, and there's a wealthy class that's
having a different experience in New York than a lot
of other people who are inhabitants of New York. And
so it is with our country that we see the
same thing in this sort of new gilded age. As
Trump builds a boats, he has in mar Lago Roaring
twenties kind of themed Halloween party, there's just a there's

(01:37:07):
a tone deaf ness to all of that. But there's
also this juxtaposition of those who are living large in
this billionaires boys club that runs America now, while others
can't participate in whatever prosperity there is in the stock
market or whatever. These people are getting all this money,
it's harder and harder to make ends meet. So my
question is in New York, I feel like you got

(01:37:27):
the pushback from that crew that felt they were not
sharing the prosperity. Might you get that same pushback nationally?

Speaker 10 (01:37:34):
I absolutely think that is the case. I think that
I think the more Donald Trump illustrates the divide between
the ninety nine not really ninety nine point nine percent
and the top point zero one percent, the more his
behavior illustrates that, the more it stresses how unfair the
entire system is. And I think that creates the conditions

(01:37:57):
for not a a sort of step back to the
old normal, but it creates the conditions for a backlash
that can advance a better politics in a much faster way.
I guess what I'm saying is that I think Donald
Trump is potentially accelerating the amount of progress that can

(01:38:18):
be made because he is so brazenly illustrating the problem
every single day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Yeah, I so agree. Click through to master Plan the
new book from David Sarota again, master Plan The Hidden
Plot to Legalize Corruption in America. I also encourage everyone
to join the lever News It's levernews dot com. I'll
have a click through on that as well. David. I'm
just a big fan of all your work, and I

(01:38:45):
have been for many years. And I look forward to
the next conversation. Thanks for being here, Thank you, thank
you so much. Mark all right, David Surode, everybody right on,
he's just a super smart guy with I can't wait
to get into that book with some really great thoughts
as well. I am going to get right to Belinda.

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Mark Thumbson's show it is something that we do once
a week on Wednesday, as we look at the planet
the environment. We do it in a segment called It's
the Planet Stupid. The Planet Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Some call me nature.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
I am very passionate about the plant Earth, a.

Speaker 10 (01:40:07):
Living, breathing planet capable of sustaining whatever life forms we
see fit to deposit on it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Spot judging by the pollution content of the atmosphere, I
believe we have her arm.

Speaker 6 (01:40:16):
It's the planet stupid. No, no, no, it's the planet stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
Our guide for It's the planet Stupid. Eco journalist Belinda Weymouth, Hello, Belinda.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Good morning, good morning, how are you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Hello, Good to have you here. I was intrigued that
you were going to be talking about Tesla and one
of the co founders of Tesla, who is now involved
in something that is positive, at least as I as
I saw it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
Yeah, yeah, super positive.

Speaker 15 (01:40:45):
So JB, I think you pronounced it Strubel Strupel. So
what he saw in the making of all the Tesla's
and the you know, sort of the heyday and the
exciting days of it was the problem that was going
to come with all those evs, the batteries to charge
those evs, So what's the biggest problem, the biggest environmental

(01:41:09):
problem that we know about rechargeable batteries.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
This is a quiz mark, Let's see how you do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
What's the biggest problem is the.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Biggest environmental problem?

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Yeh is the disposal of them. They're they're they're just
filled with a bunch of stuff you don't want to
have in the soil or degrade it into the environment.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
Right, well, yes, okay, can we.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Get that's not wrong? Can we get another answer from
somebody else in the class?

Speaker 15 (01:41:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to put all
that pressure on you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
By one and only student.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Battery meltdown, says Steve six oh seven.

Speaker 15 (01:41:44):
Okay, yeah, okay, battery melt down. Yeah, there's the life after.
But it's lithium. Where do we get all the lithium?
Where do we get you know, rare earth metals.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
That's the biggest problem with batteries, is that where do
we get all the lithium?

Speaker 6 (01:41:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:41:57):
Yeah, So remember every time I talk about renewable energy
and evs and how great they are, there'll be someone
in the comments going, yeah, but what about the lithium?
What about the lithium? And this is a real issue
because the lithium, the working conditions for people who work
in lithium mines, and often these mines are in developing countries,

(01:42:17):
they are not good. And the water used to mine
lithium is enormous and the carbon emissions are enormous. So
what is the biggest, cheapest, most readily available, and most
environmentally good way to source lithium. You don't have to
answer market, it's a rhetorical question.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
I'm gonna answer. Okay, no pressure, no pressure. So what
it is is it's where is it?

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Where is it?

Speaker 15 (01:42:43):
It's driving down a street right outside your door in
an EV. In an EV battery, you have an unbelievable
amount of lithium, cobalt, and nickel. And so rather than
trash the battery, which is not what happens, you take
those batters. And this is what the test. The co founder,
I'm just going to call them JB to make it easy.

(01:43:04):
So what JB saw was we have this incredible battery
that has all these rare earth metals in it, and
why would we give them up when we can recycle them?

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
And how we go to do this?

Speaker 15 (01:43:18):
And he actually said, like we were a little bit
ahead of our times because they started Redwood Materials, which
is recycling ninety percent of the lithium batteries that are
being used in the US.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
He founded Redwood in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 15 (01:43:34):
It's in Nevada in the desert, which is a great
place to take old batteries because it's so dry. They
don't you know, they're not going to corrode. There's not
moisture in the atmosphere and the process of recycling them.
And in the length that I sent, there's a great
visual that shows it. So they've got this thirty two
acre facility and they're using they're creating fifty eight percent

(01:44:02):
reduction in carbon emissions and only using a quarter of
the amount of water to recycle the batteries that it
would take to actually mine for new lithium, cobalt, and nickel.
And what they do is they get all these rechargeable
batteries from all over the US, Like ninety percent of
the lithium batteries are going to spark in Nevada, and

(01:44:24):
they sought them into you know, I mean they have
got from you know, electric toothbrushes, you know, to the
ev batteries. They've got all these different batteries. They sort
them into different piles. They get the plastic, the glues,
and the electrolytes out of them, and then they're down
to the metals. So you take out the regular metals,

(01:44:44):
you know, the steel and the ones that we know about,
but the ones that we really care about are the lithium, colbolt,
and nickel, and they're able to separate those out and
annually they are getting enough of those to make three
hundred thousand new EVY batteries, which is huge. So there

(01:45:07):
you can see, you know, the sorting, so you've got
this massive mass of sorting before they go into the
actual process of it. And they they do have to
get melted down in ovens, which is not great for
the plastic. You know, that does create very noxious air pollution,
but they do use big air filters in China. China
actually has fifty of these incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Of course they do more than fifty.

Speaker 15 (01:45:32):
China actually right now is they're already producing from their
recycled batteries. They're producing ten percent of the lithium that
they need and twenty percent of their nickel and cobalt.
They're in by twenty forty, they won't have to do
any mining or rely on any mind lithium. It will
all come from within the brilliant and within their recycling.

(01:45:53):
And actually the forecast for globally is that at the
rate that we're going with these recycling centers, by twenty
forty two, a third of the world a third of
the batteries that are being created with come from recycled components,
particularly the rare earth metals. And I know you guys
have heard me say this before. You know, the thing
about metals is they're very recyclable aluminium. Of all the

(01:46:18):
aluminium that we have mined in the world, seventy six
percent of it is still in use because it's circular.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
With metals, it's circular, and this is what we're going for.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
It was like when we talked.

Speaker 15 (01:46:29):
About those new solar panels that they're coming out with,
and they have that thin layer of film put on
them which is going to make them be able to
absorb you know, thirty three to thirty seven to maybe
forty three percent of the spectrum of solar radiation that
you know comes down as opposed to right now we're
at twenty three percent just the blue and the ultraviolet light.

(01:46:49):
And that those new solar panels photovoltaic solar panels that
are being manufactured and worked on, so, you know, energetic
right now because people know this is the way we
want to go. The people who are developing those want
those to be one hundred percent recyclable too. And this

(01:47:10):
is the thing with the EV batteries. So what they're
saying in or what they're doing in Redwood, which is
also cool, so kudos to JB is you know, when
you have a battery, it will stop being useful in
an electric car because it won't have enough charge to

(01:47:31):
be able to power acceleration, but it will still have
battery potential. So rather than saying, okay, we're going to
recycle it, now run it to the very very end
of its life. That's the way to be the most sustainable.
So they have this micro grid out in the Redwood
Materials site in Nevada and they're using it's almost eight

(01:47:56):
hundred old EV batteries. They are hooked up to solar panels,
and the electricity that they can hold and then trickle
out after sunset is powering a very small AI data
center there.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Wow, that's very cool.

Speaker 15 (01:48:13):
Yeah, he's really showing like this is what you can
do with the battery. Like, rather than go, oh, it's terrible,
it's terrible, we have to you know, recycle it, and
it's got all these waste products. He's actually saying, no,
let's let's let's really use this innovation to the very
end of its life, and then let's take what's in it,
the goodies that are in it. And right now, what

(01:48:33):
happens with the so the lithium, cobalt, and nickel that
they are getting after the recycling process, it's not at
cathode quality, So it gets sent to battery manufacturing plants
in Asia, they get it up to the cathode quality
and then they make the new batteries. But what the
aim is is to do that here in country. And

(01:48:57):
this is a thing I've talked about before we get
truly sustainable in the world, is we make the things circular,
you know, the manufacture, the use, the recycle back into
the manufacture, the use the recycle, and we do it
on you know, on our own you know, patch of

(01:49:18):
the of the planet. We're not exporting it to someone
else to do it. We're doing it here, and then
you have something that's way more sustainable and then also
battery manufacturers who are taking a beating right now because
all the bider era you know, text all revealed.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
But but keep it in house, keep it here.

Speaker 15 (01:49:41):
On us soil, so that the batteries that we use
here as Americans are being manufactured here, not not imported
from other countries.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
So I think it's a real fascinating and really educational.
I mean I didn't know all of this that you
just described. And even the way that they're trying to
squeeze the last little bit out of these batteries to
power that small AI station. Wow, that's really something.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:50:07):
Yeah, And you know what's what's really interesting, And there's
there's a graphic of it, and that in the link
that I sent Tony, if you can find it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
It shows that.

Speaker 15 (01:50:16):
Right now at Redwood, seventy five percent of the material
that they're actually recycling has come to them as scraps
of the battery the ev battery manufacturing floor. They actually
leave ten percent of these precious, precious materials as scrap
on the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
They just sweep it up.

Speaker 15 (01:50:37):
Yeah, So that's like god a dull So right now
only a quarter of what of the lithium keep saying
the trifecta of the lithium, gold border nickel.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
Only a quarter is coming from EV batteries.

Speaker 15 (01:50:50):
But but they want, you know, please give us more
batteries because we want the majority of it to come
from that, you know, and obviously there is going to
be scrap and that needs to be recycle too.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
But it's you know, we fascinate. We need to go
for this circular model.

Speaker 15 (01:51:05):
We have to go for it where we live on
one planet, one precious planet that he has so many
resources and we need to it's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
A sustainable of course. Yeah, that's really great. What's wrong
with Randy always has some he seems to be territory. Well,
what's wrong with importing EV batteries of other countries can
manufacture for less money and maintain the same environmental standards.

Speaker 15 (01:51:30):
Well, here's the thing about environmental standards. So what's happening
in Asia? Where they recycle an EV battery. They go
for everything. They go for the plastics, the electrolytes, the
you know, the glue. They take a part the actual
sort of the entire apparatus, and it uses a lot
of water and it creates a lot of wastewater and pollutants.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
And the fact is it's also you know, we don't.

Speaker 15 (01:51:56):
Want cargo ships crossing the Atlantic and the Pacific ad nauseum,
you know, having collisions with our right whales. We want
to protect our whales. And we also you know, we
get carbon emissions from that. So if we can do
it in house, you know, if we can keep it
in house. I don't know why I'm using my hands
so much, but I'm hoping that they're getting the you know,

(01:52:17):
telling half the story. But do you know what I mean,
it's I mean, it just makes sense to about to
do it here, and costs would come down if we,
you know, if we did it more comprehensively, if if
the whole thing was happening you know, on us soil or.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
For catt Yeah, I mean, you make a good point too,
or imply a good point when you talk about some
of these specifics that we don't factor in. It seems
as though sustainability has to do with a lot of
other things sort of downstream from the recycling. It's just
not just the recycling, it's what goes into the recycling.
It's energy used, it's water used, it's transportation, et cetera.
So yeah, I mean there's more to that equation. There

(01:52:56):
are many more variables than may meet the eye.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:53:01):
The other thing I think also is if you're doing it,
you know, in your own backyard, and you can see
what's happening with wastewater, then you'll get more you know,
innovative about it, Like we don't want that amount of wastewater.
How do we deal with it? How do we minimize that?
I just think, I think Randing the thing is it's
really about being right sized on a finite planet. We

(01:53:21):
treat this planet like it's an infinite planet, but it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
It's a finite planet.

Speaker 15 (01:53:26):
And I think if we deal with these things in house,
we that message gets you know, get sent home very quickly,
like this is a finite planet and we have to
treat it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
With the respect that it deserves.

Speaker 15 (01:53:40):
And uh, you know, globalization has sort of been great
because it has lifted so many you know, billions really
out of poverty.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
So that that has been great.

Speaker 15 (01:53:50):
But I think we we need to have more ecologically
sound business practices because we are hurting editors.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
You're here. You can find Belinda Weymouth across social media.
Weymouth's w A Y m O U t h here
on Wednesdays, Blinda, thank you for visiting. Always love our time.
And uh, you'll be here next week, O Kelly, you'll
be sitting here or standing here, and we'll be hosting
the show. It should, I mean actually be something of
an upgrade. So anyway, have a uh, and I will

(01:54:25):
be watching, So blend away with everybody that's it's the
planet stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:54:32):
More it's the planet stupid. No, no, no, it's the
planet stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Next time only on a Mark Thompson Show, The Mark
Thompson Show.

Speaker 11 (01:54:47):
Who's Mark Thompson.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
I'd love to stay, but I can't. Got an interview
to do. We'll share that with you along the way.
There's some good interviews that we're kind of pre loading
for the time that i'll be away. Safe travels, my
friend says, Luise. Thank you, Louise. First, I can start
right there and say thank you for wishing me save travels,

(01:55:14):
and more to the point, for attaching five dollars to that. Yes, yeah,
and that's just the nature of the beast. Sorry, we're beggars,
we're buskers. Safe travels, my friend. I know it's been
tough for you, cat Daddy, especially with your beloved feline family.
Enjoy your vacation, but remember no boat fishing. Oh yeah, wow,

(01:55:39):
that is cold, man, that is cold. But I am
going to miss my Charlie, who needs steroids now and
he's eighteen and he's struggling. He's got that palsy thing,
and oh my god, I love him so much and
I feel so responsible for him. That's the tough part,
Like I feel I'm leaving him in the hands of
somebody else who means well, but I don't know if
they can, you know, be the nurse to him that

(01:56:02):
I am viill. Maadellen says, your show would be the
what if anything happened to me? Because everybody's saying, well,
you know you're going to Columbia, anything could happen. Your
show would be the mo Kelly Show. If anything happened
to you in Columbia, we will go on. I don't
know if it's to be encouraged or to be discouraged

(01:56:24):
by that. Yeah, I watch your six, mark. Uh, what
does that mean, Tony watch your six you're back?

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Yeah to Uh you have to watch your back? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Yeah? But is that what's is that like a new
jargon that you kids use.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
No it's military related. It's from the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't even know that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:49):
Have you never watched a military movie.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
I don't think I've ever watched a military movie. That's
not true, but I obviously I didn't know that. If
it wasn't in uh Saving Private Ryan, then I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Know it Probably was.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Was it in Paton Saving Longest Day Apocalypse? Now I'll
keep I'll keep going, Platoon. No, Tony's got to get
out of here. Let me just wrap up. I can
see by the look on his face he's thinking, Mark
really doing this. I got to get the hell out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
You just can't believe you haven't heard that before.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Watch your six Mark, Thank you, catch and Jem. I
apologize to you for not knowing it right off the bat.

Speaker 3 (01:57:27):
I think you do everyone an apology.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
You'll always get.

Speaker 7 (01:57:32):
Uh my bad, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
You'll always get the truth from me. I'm not going
to pretend I know it if I don't. That's about
the best I can do.

Speaker 6 (01:57:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
I don't know what is going on in Colombia and Venezuela,
but it's not normal. Yeah, it's true. I wish it
weren't happening now, but I am going. Thank you the
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and Belinda. Twenty dollars super chat, my favorite. McAllister. Wrap
my arms around you. You are just so great. West
three will enjoy the Kim and Friends show while you
were gone. Yeah, I think it is going to be great.

(01:58:22):
Thank you Wes for the five dollars super chat. I
will be great. Get some new blood in here, you'll
like it. I really think you'll like it. Hi, David Sarota,
good morning, Welcome to the show, says Dan. Really really cool.
Thank you, Mark, Kim and Tony. Safe travels and by friends,

(01:58:42):
says NANCYV. So that's really cool. I gotta go catch
a plane. We'll do a quick interview and now I
got to go catch a plane, So that means I'm playing.
We'll probably leave sometime tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
Yeah, have a good time to the studio and this messages.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
I will, I will. I'm looking forward to a YEA
be careful seeing the show continued, actually elevated to a
new level under the auspices and tutelage and care of
the Great Mo Kelly Tony. Thank you for working us
into your schedule of fifteen job. Thanks. I appreciate that. Kim,

(01:59:18):
you are wonderful and aweso how are you? And to
our audience, thank you for being here. Moe will continue.
We've got great shows tomorrow. In fact, tomorrow the Great
David Kapps will talk about the Scotus oral arguments that
are going on now about the tariffs. This will be
huge and that'll happen tomorrow. So now I'm self of
Stevens for the Mark Johnson Show. Bye b oh, hopefully

(01:59:42):
Sir Ken Joe will be here as well tomorrow. Aut
of time, Bye bye? What can I say? Out of time?
Thanks everybody, Bye bye

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