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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's a wonderful day. It is a beautiful day.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is a November day, and for some it's even
their birthday. And I'm partial to birthdays, and if only
because Mike's coming up in about a week and a
half or so on November twenty sixth, I'm going to
be older, so I have an affinity for people who
have birthdays in the month of November. You may not

(00:25):
be Sagittarians like me, but you definitely are a November birthday.
So I definitely want to shout out as we start
the Mark Thompson Show on this Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Two birthdays, Ronda and Deborah.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
May not only have you continuously supported the show, but
the least we can do is say happy birthday to you.
Thank you for always supporting all things Mark Thompson. Yeah,
and I'm kind of ambivalent about birthdays going forward.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I am glad to have them.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That means I'm still here, but it's not like I'm
appreciative of the number as they flow by.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, I remember being.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Younger and I couldn't wait to be thirteen. A teenager
couldn't wait to be eighteen. Well, actually I remember I
wanted to be seventeen. So I could go to our
movies by myself.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Eighteen so I could vote and do all the things
that adults do. And I'm sorry, Kim, you might have
to close your ears. I couldn't wait to be eighteen
because I wanted to be able to go to strip clubs.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Just trying to tell you, Oh yeah, I remember you, Okay,
I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I went to this place called Bear Elegance for my
eighteenth birthday and it was a nude strip club, which
meant that they didn't sell alcohol. So that's why you
could be in there at eighteen. And Tony, why are
you not in your head? Have you been to Tiberia.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm just saying that the nude was because you get
no alcohol. Yep, no alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You get to see everything everything. So that's a weird
birthday card for Ronda.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
But it just We have a full show for you today.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And when I say full show, we have the news
of yesterday which carried over today.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
We have the news of the day, we have breaking news.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
We have John Rothman is going to be joining us
at the bottom of the hour, the presidential historian and
host of Around the Political World with John Rothman. He's
going to join us at the bottom of the hour
talk about some of this breaking news and what I
mean by breaking news, I'm talking about Jeffrey Epstein e
mails from him about Donald Trump to Geelaye Maxwell. But

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we're going to get into that in just the moment.
We have to have this quick recap of what happened
yesterday with Veterans Day, and we know that President Trump
is not one of those presidents who does well in
the sense of showing empathy or sympathy or understanding the
emotion of a moment or the tenter of a moment

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when wishing Happy Veterans Day or happy or even acknowledging
Memorial Day not Happy Memorial Day, and understanding the difference
between the two. And then then you have former President
Obama where he just gets it and it should it
not should be a partisan stavement to say Barack Obama

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excels at understanding the moment. And I don't know if
you saw this video we're getting ready to show you,
but Barack Obama, former President Obama, surprised some veterans on
a flight, and I want you to watch their genuine reactions,
not only their surprise but their appreciation of the acknowledgment

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by the former president.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Check this out.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
This honor flight is to honor all the veterans of
World War II, Korea, Vietnam. It's all free for them.
We show them all their monuments and explain what their
monuments are about. We just try to treat them with
dignity that some of them can get when they came
home from the war.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Hello everybody, what as we approach veterans?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Man, I wanted to stop buy and just say thank
you for extraordinary service to you, your family. The sacrifices
that all of you made to protect our country is
something that will always be honored and we are very grateful.
And we also happened to welcome you with a seventy
degree day in DC, which doesn't always happen around here.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
That's the first time I've seen a president, former or
current greet and honor flight, and that is absolutely amazing.
A commander in chief, a leader who's going to show
up and tell you that your service was worth something.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
I think that's the important part.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I think it was a great thing that time
I got to see a president and Gerald Ford, how
about that.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
Jullien man, it's good. Blame you and you want them to.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
And I just couldn't believe that there was that many
people around that remembered us, and was there the greediest
and it was just unbelievable.

Speaker 9 (05:12):
Well, it means a lot because back then as you
got off the plane there and you had no welcome
and people were almost booling you. I'm real happy that
now with current troops they come back from deployments, you
get welcomed back really nice, because that's what should happen.
So it's being recreated in this flight and that makes

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you feel good. I haven't flown for fifty years, and
I was in the military from seventy two to seventy six.
Our country puts these things up, these memorials honoring the
men and women that served.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
You couldn't ask for something greater.

Speaker 10 (05:51):
So this has been going on.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I was over twenty years and it started up very small.
And now a lot of states have their own hubs
and they raise their own money and get there and
they set up the whole flights.

Speaker 10 (05:59):
They said where they're going to go.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
The buses, the flights flight like today for Madison, Wisconsin,
will come in the morning and leave in the afternoon
and we'll get them around to every monument we can
within reasonable time. Every city in this country has got
veterans in that I guarantee it. Go up and say
thank you and just tell them how much.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
You appreciate them.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Doesn't it just make you feel good, makes them emotional?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, oh man, it's And did you notice, or maybe
some people didn't notice. Former President Obama didn't make it political.
He didn't talk about the lying Republicans, he didn't mention
Donald Trump. He was just there to honor servicemen, service women,
the veterans who risked everything sometimes those who lost more

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than we can.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Imagine, and he just wanted to honor them. That was it.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's what I always talk about, decency, dignity, and decorum.
And you don't have to like President Obama and his policies,
you don't have to like that he's a Democrat, but
you should not be able to deny his understanding and
his empathy and his appreciation for veterans in a way
that we've never seen from Donald Trump. There's never been

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an example of Donald Trump showing any level of empathy
or honoring veterans or not politicizing a holiday surrounding the military.
For his personal or political benefit. So kudos to former
President Obama. It's a nice reminder of how things are

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supposed to be, how things used to be, and that
has nothing to do specifically or only with former President Obama,
but he's the most recent example of how it should be.
And I guess this is where we're going to have
to change gears. It's a difficult it's a difficult change,
but we have to talk about some of this breaking

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news with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 11 (08:00):
Show.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
He may be dead and gone, but his voice is
living on. He is back in the news. And maybe
five six years ago we would have said, but her
emails referring to Hillary Clinton. Now we have to say,
but his emails referring to Jeffrey Epstein. And if you
don't know the story at this time, there are some

(08:24):
new Epstein emails which have come to the four thanks
to Democrats. But it's a complicated issue because today also
is the swearing in of Adelita Grijalva, and there's a
question of whether there still will be two hundred and
eighteen votes for the for the petition for the Epstein

(08:50):
files to be completely released. And these things are happening
simultaneously in a parallel track where we're not sure whether
the full Epstein files are going to be released, and
we're watching that. There's a question, from what I'm hearing about,
whether Congresswoman Lauren Bobert is going to stay on the
side of the petition being released and the Epstein files

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being released, or whether they're going to lose Berbert or
some other congress person. That's issue number one. And if
they're all going to be released, what is going to
be the response. Now, if you look at what the
White House has been saying about the emails, the Epstein
emails which were released today, you can probably surmise that

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they're going to say that it's all fake, that it's
a Democrat hoax, and so forth.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
So, but this is.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
How CNN is reporting the release of these new Jeffrey
Epstein emails, which mention Donald Trump multiple times by name.
Check this out.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
This is CNN breaking news.

Speaker 12 (09:59):
All right, we do have breaking news in the Jeffrey
Epstein investigation. Democrats on the House Overside Committee minutes ago
literally releasing emails that they say were written by Jeffrey
Epstein that explicitly specifically mentioned Donald Trump. By name and

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in context that we really haven't heard before. Let's get
right to Caitlin Collins, who's got this reporting.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Kaitlin, what are you learning?

Speaker 13 (10:31):
Yeah, John, These are emails that show Jeffrey Epstein mentioning
Donald Trump by name multiple times and private correspondence that
he had with people including Glen Maxwell, obviously his longtime
associate and accomplice, and also the author Michael Wolfe in
a timespan of about the last fifteen years or so.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
In these emails.

Speaker 13 (10:51):
Now, these are coming out from the House Oversight Committee.
They had issued a bipartisan subpoena to Jeffrey Epstein's estate. John,
As you know earlier this year, they've gotten their hands
on a trove of documents, and these are emails that
included Jeffrey Epstein on them. They were sent either to
him or from him that mentioned Donald Trump before he
was in office and also while he was in office

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during his first term. And I want to walk you
through these emails of what exactly we are reading in
Jeffrey Epstein's own words in these emails that have been
released by the House Oversight Committee, and in one of them,
Jeffrey Epstein says, and I should note Trump did not
send or receive any.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Of these messages.

Speaker 13 (11:29):
He's not a party to these emails, John, But these
are emails from Jeffrey Epstein to Gallaine Maxwell. This is
one from April second, twenty eleven, and in this email,
Jeffrey Epstein writes to Glaine Maxwell and says quote, I
want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked
is Trump. There's a name that's redacted which the houseover
Site Committee has said is a victim of Jeffrey Epstein's.

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Obviously we have not been able to independently confirm that
because her name is redacted from this email, but they
say redacted spent hours at my house with him. Ever
once been mentioned, police chief, etc. I'm seventy five percent there.
Glenn Maxwell responds to that email, John and says, quote,
I have been thinking about that now. There's no context

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for that message in this release of what we're getting. Obviously,
this was a time span, and this was about three
years after Jeffrey Epstein had accepted what is now known
is that sweetheart deal that only got him a few
months in prison, and something that came under a ton
of scrutiny during Donald Trump's first term in office because
of his then Labor Secretary Alex Acosta, who helped negotiate

(12:33):
that plea deal, that sweetheart deal for Jeffrey Epstein at
the time. And so that's the context of this came
about three years after he had negotiated that plea deal.

Speaker 14 (12:42):
John.

Speaker 13 (12:43):
And there's also other emails that have been released by
the committee this morning, including between Jeffrey Epstein and Michael Wolfe.
People will remember Michael Wolfe, of course, the author who
wrote a book on the inner workings of Trump's West
Wing back in twenty eighteen during his first term. He
is someone who has talked at length about his own
course with Jeffrey Epstein, published audio recordings of those conversations

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between the two of them. And in another email, and
this seems to be a reference to Donald Trump saying
that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his mar Alago club,
and Jeffrey Epstein writes to Michael Wolfe and says, quote,
Trump said he asked me to resign, and he adds
John never a member ever. Of course he knew about
the girls as he asked Gilaine to stop. Now, again,

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we don't have the context of this email. But John,
that comes as in recent months we've heard President Trump
himself and the White House say that Jeffrey Epstein was
kicked out of mar Alago for being a creep. And
Trump himself told reporters on Air Force One that he
was trying to Poe Twim and he and Ghlaine Maxwell
from the mar A Lago spa and that was why
they had such a falling out and why he ultimately
asked Jeffrey Epstein to leave the mar Alago club. Now

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there's also a third email in here, John, and this
is again in regards to Jeffrey Epstein and Michael Wolfe.
And Michael Wolfe emails Jeffrey Epstein, and this is back
in December fifteenth, twenty fifteenth, so the height of the
twenty sixteen campaign, just to put that in perspective for you,
And it was the day of CNN Republican primary debate.
And Michael Wolfe says, quote, I hear that CNN is

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planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you,
either on air or in a scrum afterwards. And Epstein wrote,
if we were able to craft an answer for him,
what do you think it should be Michael Wolf responded
at length, John, I'll summarize it, but he said, in
regards to Trump, I think you should let him hang himself.
If he says he hasn't been on the plane or
to the house, then that gives you a valuable pr

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and political currency. You can hang him in a way
that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if
it really looks like he could win, you could save
him generating a debt. Now, I'll note, John, we looked
at the transcript of that Senan debate from December twenty fifteen.
There's no mention of Jeffrey Epstein in there.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And of course I'll.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
What the emails say and the implications of the e emails,
and it's not anything we didn't know in the sense of, yes,
Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump knew each other. They hung
out together, and it's fair to surmise that Donald Trump,
then the private citizen, was well aware of Jeffrey Epstein
and his criminal behavior long say, long after he allegedly

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broke off that friendship. But also I gleaned from this
from the emails, and we're going to go to the
White House response in just a second. I gleaned from
the emails that Jeffrey Epstein had much more information that
he could have released on Donald Trump. And this is
something that I have not heard news sources discuss. So

(15:41):
I want to make sure people understand a distinction. And
I saw someone in the chat I think with Spencer
was saying like these files would never be released. But
there's a distinction be made. There are the Epstein files
which are part of the investigations, the federal investigation, the
state investigation in Florida.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Those are those files.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
But there's also the files of the estate, which are
separate and distinct from the investigation files. In other words,
Jeffrey Epstein's personal anecdotes and his letters. I'm just saying
hypothetically videos, any type of journaling he had done which
may not be as part of the actual investigations. But

(16:28):
I'll say the birthday card, for example, that was a
part of the estate holdings, not a part of the
investigatory holdings.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
So there's one thing to say.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Not all the files will be released as far as
the investigations, and I'm more inclined to believe that. I'm
more skeptical that will ever get everything regarding the investigation
and will be in its full unredacted form. But there's
still a question of how much the estate has and

(17:00):
how much it has not released, how much it could
release if under a subpoena. If you know what you're
looking for, that you can go get it by subpoena.
But let me get out of the way. Here is
the White House response to the release of these Epstein emails.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Go ahead, Tony, and.

Speaker 15 (17:18):
The fact that President Trump did nothing wrong. And what
President Trump has always said is that he was from
Palm Beach and so was Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was
a member at mar A Lago until President Trump kicked
him out because Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile and he
was a creep. In this email you refer to with
the name of a victim that was unredacted now and

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has since been reported on in this room. So I
will go ahead and say it, Virginia Guphrey. And it
was CBS's own reporting Leja that recently wrote that missus
Guphery maintained and God rest her soul, that she maintained
that there was nothing inappropriate she ever witnessed. That President
Trump was always extremely professional and friendly to her, and
so I think it's a question worth asking the Democrat

(18:02):
Party and you should all go ask them after this
briefing of why they chose to redact that name of
a victim who has already publicly made statements about her
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein is and is unfortunately no longer
with us.

Speaker 14 (18:14):
Mary, Thank you got two questions on this.

Speaker 10 (18:16):
In the interest of transparency, why not just go ahead
release the full files on Epstein to get this all over.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Where we have.

Speaker 15 (18:23):
This administration has done more with respect to transparency when
it comes to Jeffrey Epstein than any administration that question.
In fact, this administration, the Department of Justice has turned
over tens to the American people. We are cooperating and
showing support for the House Oversight Committee. That's part of
the reason you are seeing these documents that were released

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today because of the House Oversite committees and Republicans' efforts
to get these out to the public. This administration also
moved the Department of Justice also moved to unseal grand
jury testimony, which we know unfortunately a judge declined those requests.
So this administration has done more than any and it
just shows how this is truly a manufactured hoax by

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the Democrat Party. For you're talking about it all of
a sudden because President Trump is in the Oval office,
But when Joe Biden was sitting in there, the Democrats
never brought this up. This wasn't an issue that they
cared about because they actually don't care about the victims
in these cases. They care about trying to score political
points against there.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Because I want to jump in and respond to some
of these lies and misdirections and have truths. This is
not a comparative analysis about who has released more information.
And you know, Caroline Levitt was saying, no one has
released more information than the Trump administration. But the question was,
why don't you just go ahead and release everything? Not

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have you released something, just release everything. And we all
know if it were to exonerate the sitting president, it
would have been a done deal. If it directly implicated
more Democrats than Republicans, it would be a done deal.
And let's not forget the Epstein files implicates more than

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just Donald Trump, more than just Bill Clinton. There are
other people that we don't know because we're talking about
people of means and power, and they usually run in
the same circles, and some people in the chat more
than one, so I can't attribute this to one person.
But asking about what about other countries because this is

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a multinational investigation and there are also some banking questions.
The funding the billion dollars which was moved through Epstein accounts.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
What was it for? Who was it for?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
What did possibly it cover up? Who are some of
the other players connected to that money? Is that money
directly or indirectly connected to the sex trafficking of these
children and young women? So yes, we may not never
know everything, but there's definitely more than quote unquote the

(21:03):
Epstein files from the investigations in New York and Florida.
Kim another question I was asking the chat or I
should say it was rhetorical. Will this even matter to MAGA?
Let me just say right now, no, No, it's not
gonna matter.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's gonna be declared as fake. It's a hoax. All
of this is gonna be made up.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You're gonna have more direction misdirection from Caroline Levitt and
complaining this. This is about the Democrats failing to do
what they could when they held power, and the files
are what the files are it's not about who releases
them or even when. Let the American public decide. And

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in that, let's not be naive. This is as closest
we're going to get to Donald Trump shooting someone on
Fifth Avenue, and the supporters won't care.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
They won't care, not.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Because Donald Trump says they won't care, but because MAGA
has demonstrated that they don't care. There is nothing that
has come out in any classified documents investigation or the
investigation in New York as far as mortgage fraud.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That they will believe, that they will accept. And here's why.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
And this hasn't been discussed enough, and I think it
needs to be highlighted more. The magabase who defends Donald Trump,
they have invested themselves personally. It's almost like Donald Trump
is an extension of them, and to defend Donald Trump
is to defend themselves on some level.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
They cannot be in any way impartial.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's almost like you're defending a family member, where it's
like you feel compelled to defend that person because they
have your good name. MAGA is invested so heavily, cult
MAGA is invested so heavily. There is nothing that they
can allow within their sphere of information or belief system

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which impunes Donald Trump's credibility or increases the likely criminality,
or anything which paints them in a bad light, because
they've invested all of their being in support of this individual,
despite any facts to the contrary, embarrassing or criminal. So
the short answer is, no, it's not going to make

(23:31):
a difference. You could have a real video and I'm
not trying to be funny and I'm not trying to
be macab or anything like that. But you could have
a real video of Donald Trump, and I mean this respectfully,
sexually abusing an underage girl, and it will not matter.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
They will dismiss it as being ai. They will dismiss
it as it being fake. They will dismiss it as
part of some Democrat hopes or fabrication.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Because, to Donald Trump's credit quotes, he has primed the
pulp and he has trained his supporters to disbelieve anything
which comes out from the media that is somehow embarrassing
or somehow incriminating.

Speaker 10 (24:15):
Two reasons that I know that you're right that it
won't make a difference. To Magaworld. Number one, Trump was
on videotape saying it's okay to assault women, right, we
can grab him by the lady bits, we can kiss them,
we can without their consent, you know, advocating for sexually
assaulting women because he's famous and rich and so it's okay,

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and America didn't care. Then he goes to court against
Egen Carroll, he's found legally liable for sexual assault. America
still votes him into office. These two things lead me
to believe that you're right, doesn't matter what this guy does,
doesn't matter if there's the creepiest video out there. America
still went confronted with that, will be like, yeah, but

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you know, oh that's not that's not really who he is.
Look at all the things he's done for Merca.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, he's donated his salary every single year and just
disregarding the grift every step of the way. The crypto scams,
the gold sneakers, the mean coin, all the things that
he's been selling, the Katari jet disregarded, all of that,
he donates his salary.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Facts are impervious. That's why it's a cult.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And I know sometimes that word gets overused, but it's
the best descriptor of why nothing penetrates their information silo
of what their view is of Donald Trump. We've been
dealing with this for nine years now. I think we
know how this story is going to turn out. And

(25:55):
don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the emails
are insignificant. I'm not saying that the release of the
total Jeffrey Epstein files will not match her. When I
say matter, in other words, it's necessary for historical sake,
It's necessary for how we remember and record this moment.

(26:17):
But if you think that the Epstein files being released
or these emails are somehow going to be the magic
bullet which is somehow going to either bring down Donald
Trump or somehow lessen his support with MAGA or amongst
Republican congressional members, I think you are You are deceiving yourself.

(26:38):
We have enough evidence to be able to see that
none of that matters.

Speaker 10 (26:43):
Do you ever see a moment where some video that
you reference comes out and Trump pulls a has a
Nixon moment and says I need to step down so
America can focus on what's really important. I don't see
him ever resigning for any.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Let me go one step further, and if you remember Nixon,
it was Republicans who went to the White House and said,
mister President, you must resign. We're not getting either that.
It'd be different if we had some crisis of conscience
with this Republican leadership and said, Okay, we have to
do this for the good of the nation. Even if

(27:17):
Donald Trump refuses to acquiesce, even if he refuses to
step down, even if if you refuses the off ramp
where they can say, mister President, we know your health
is declining. This is a way that you could resign
gracefully and graciously and keep your legacy intact. Will not

(27:38):
even have to deal with any of the Epstein stuff,
and we can shield you and your legacy from that
because if you were to resign, the Epstein files and
the call for them would likely go away, and they
would they would. But to your point, Kim, he is
incapable of anything which approaches that level of decency.

Speaker 10 (28:02):
That's applicable texts or super chats in Wes with five
thank you, Wes says unconfirmed, but there are news agencies
saying the redacted name is Virginia Jeffrey. I think the
White House confirmed that the woman that wrote the book
that was released. Yeah, and thank you Wes for that.
And then Louise says, sadly, there could be authenticated video

(28:23):
of DT doing all sorts of nefarious acts with minors
while doing lines of illicit substances. Won't matter. Hashtag cult
that's from louis matter. For the contribution, it won't matter.
I have to say thank you to the contributions to
the to the show, because you know, this show doesn't
go on without it. That is hugely important. So thank

(28:45):
you Louise, thank you Wes, and to everyone who's contributed
to the show thus far.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
You know what, I might be wrong. I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I might be wrong, and sometimes I may get caught
up in my own echo chamber. But I think it's
important all of us to vet our opinions with someone
outside of our information silo, and so as we change
gears the Mark Thompson Show, let's talk to regular contributor

(29:14):
John Rothman, presidential historian, host of Around the Political World
with John Rothman, and former KGO host.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
John is good to talk to you. How are you, sir?

Speaker 16 (29:25):
Very well, very well, it's a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
To be with you.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
We had a brief conversation prior to the show, and
we were watching this breaking news and we were I
guess prognosticating what the White House response would be to
these emails. We saw the video with Caroline Levitt. She
did not disappoint. She did not in any way at
least for me, offer anything different than what we heard before.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Is just deny and just attack and suggested all this
is a hoax.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Did I miss anything or did you since any change
in s track issue from the White House.

Speaker 16 (30:01):
No, this is consistent with Donald Trump, who calls this,
and I want to be clear, there is in his
minds a Democrat hoax. The Epstein case is a Democrat hoax. First,
let's correct him. It's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party.
And anybody who calls it the Democrat Party is clearly

(30:21):
swallowing the kool aid. There is no doubt in my
mind that this is incriminating to Donald Trump. Now, I
want to be clear, it was before his presidency, There's
no doubt about that. But are individuals held accountable? And

(30:42):
the Epstein case is incredible. So I believe there will
be two hundred eighteen votes, and I believe more than
two hundred eighteen votes, there will be about thirty Republicans
who will jump ship and the White House is scared.
That's why they're going after Congressman Babert today. Bobert, they're saying,
do not participate in this. Let's keep this all confidential.

(31:05):
But it's clear the files are going to have an impact.
They are going to be released. Donald Trump may never
be held accountable. You may be right, but history will judge,
and that to me now is the real key. So
just remember every time Donald Trump calls the Epstein hoax

(31:25):
a hoax, it isn't. It's real. And I'm counting on
the fact. And it was announced earlier today that the
survivors of Epstein's abuse are going to again call for
full revelation of all the information. So we'll see what
happens and how it happens. But this is a stain

(31:47):
not just on Donald Trump, but on the Republican Party,
and that is the real tragedy. So we'll see if
there are, as they say, thirty House Republicans who when
the discharge resolution hits the floor, who will shift over
and vote. I hope it will be some form of
redemption for them.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
John, I agree with most of what you say, but
I think I'm a little bit more cynical than you are.
Donald Trump is someone who is insanely obsessive about criticism
or looking bad or appearing bad, and by all accounts,
this makes him look very bad.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
So he is scared. He does want this to go away.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
But I'm not so sure that the Republicans will unify
in any measurable way to rebuke him or in any
way criticize him regarding these Epstein files. Regardless of what
comes out if passed his prologue, what do you think
is different about this which could motivate members of the

(32:50):
Republican caucus in either the House or the Senate to
abandon ship on some level with Donald Trump.

Speaker 16 (32:56):
The survivors. Did you listen to the survivor press conference? Absolutely,
I will tell you I was in tears, and there
were Republicans who were in tears. But you understand, this
is Donald Trump's great mistake. If there's nothing to hide,
put it all out. But clearly he believes there is
something to hide, and so he's not putting it all out,

(33:19):
and he's going to have everything he can to repress
the information. And that, my friends, is the kicker. Remember
what caught Richard Nixon. It was not the Watergate break in.
It was a cover up. Yes, And if in fact
what Donald Trump is doing is covering up, and if
that's proven by the evidence, well I think that's going

(33:40):
to be something. And I know Kim mentioned earlier the
question of the phones and the question of how far
back Republicans can go in terms of all of that,
and my answer is leaders of the Republican Party want
that stricken from the proposed bill as well, because they're
embarrassed by it, and they should be embarrassed by it.
But we'll see. I mean, I'm anxiously waiting to see

(34:03):
how this plays out on the House vote, and we
will see that the new representative from Arizona is being
sworn in. I believe even as we speak that should
be two hundred and eighteen votes. If the Republican leadership
is going to lean on Republican members of Congress, we'll
see how that goes too, because if you lean on someone,

(34:24):
you want to hide something, and that to me is
the key. There should be no attempt to cover up.
And I'm using the term cover up intentionally.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
There are all.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Sorts of parallels to the Nixon administration, but I don't
know if they're parallels to the time in which we're in.
We have a very different Supreme Court, we have a
very different Republican Party, we have a very different media landscape.
And I firmly believe if Fox News existed in nineteen
seventy three or nineteen seventy two, Richard Nixon probably would

(34:57):
not have resigned because he would have had a mechan
to circumnavigate a lot of what happened to him happened
around the Supreme Court.

Speaker 16 (35:07):
You're right if the Supreme Court as constituted then had
done what Nixon believed. Nixon claimed executive privilege and he
thought he'd be upheld. And interestingly enough, the nine members
of the Court, eight of whom Nixon viewed as absolutely solid,
only one recused himself, and that was William Renquist. So look,

(35:30):
I'm hopeful.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I have to be hopeful.

Speaker 16 (35:32):
I cannot believe that Donald Trump is going to get
away with us.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
He's gotten away with a lot.

Speaker 16 (35:38):
But I also want to answer what I think you
said earlier as I was listening in the idea that
Trump will be defended on the grounds that, look at
all the good he's done. Let me remind you, if
the height of Watergate, Nixon got the tent with Russia,
opened the door to China, had declared war on cancer,
had created the Environmental Agency.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Nixon had done many things that were admirable.

Speaker 16 (36:00):
And you know, one of my colleagues remarked, if the
plane had crashed on the way back from China, Nixon
would have been viewed as a great president. And I
think that's true. So the question with Trump is how
much can the magabase take?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
And in the end.

Speaker 16 (36:15):
It'll be the Republicans in Congress who make the decision
because they are all up for reelection. And what happens
when voters turn on you? And that's what we saw
last Tuesday. We saw our week of Tuesday. It was
a fascinating moment. The Democrats swept, swept, and that should
cause the Republicans to really be afraid. One other quick

(36:36):
note which I think is equally important, which has been
passed over in all of this, and that is that
Donald Trump issued a Jay pardon, a complete, absolute pardon,
for people like Rudy Giuliani who were directly involved in
trying to steal the election of twenty twenty. It is
that kind of action which frankly, should have received wall

(36:57):
the wall media coverage and didn't because of the shutdown
and the Epstein business. That to me is even more shocking.
It is the abuse of power by a president. And
let me be clear, I was once a Republican. I
am now a Democrat, but it wouldn't matter to me
whether it was a Democrat or a Republican. This kind

(37:19):
of action is unconscionable and is a blow to the
very foundations of American democracy.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Intellectually, I agree with everything you said. It is unconscionable.
But I have a question about chicken or the egg.
Does the erosion of support and you say like the
voters may leave mem at some point, is that the
voters leaving him, which we will not be able to
quantify until really the midterms in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Does that have to happen first.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Before the Republicans give up on Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Because I care for that question.

Speaker 16 (37:55):
All I can tell you is my Republican friends, and
I still have Republicans friends, are very disturbed by all
of this. And by the way, think of the women
of America and the men of America who care about women.
Can you imagine this kind of exploitation. Donald Trump was
in Epstein's home, he was Epstein's best friend. One of

(38:15):
the things that we are going to see revealed in
these documents is the amount of contact that you had.
It is inconceivable that Donald Trump did not know. Now
you're right, and Kim is right. Will the Trump Magabase
accept fact? Well, we have to hope they do, because

(38:37):
otherwise there's little hope for who we are as a nation.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
But they haven't accepted facts so far.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
He is an adjudicated rapist, found liable of sexual assault.
We saw the Billy Bush Billy Bush Hollywood video, so
these aren't unknown things. And who he has been and
who he is has been verified. His relationship with Jeffrey

(39:06):
Epstein has been validated. In other words, we're not we're
not reaching new ground here as far as what we know.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's just further confirmation. And I know it.

Speaker 16 (39:16):
But you and I don't agree with Donald Trump. You
and I would agree that Donald Trump is the worst
president in American history. Hell, I will tell you as
a presidential historian that no man has ever debased the
presidency as Donald Trump has. He is a corrupt, unbelievably well,
I could use all kinds of explosives, but like my

(39:38):
old boss, Richard Nixon, I will delete them. But I
do want to say very clearly and without any hesitation,
all you can do is lay out the facts, and
you have to believe that if the American people see clearly,
particularly in the Epstein case, because there you're not talking
about one person standing up and calling it a hoax.

(39:59):
You're talking about women who abused, who saw this, who
understood it. And if I were playing something over and
over again, it would be Donald Trump calling the Epstein
business a hoax.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
It is not a hoax.

Speaker 16 (40:15):
And by the way, having been in the press for
a long time and having worked for a president of
the United States, what's going on in the White House
right now in terms of the White House Press secretary
is shameful. People like James Haggerty and Bill Moyers and
George Reedy and people who served in the White House
as press spokesman press secretaries must be rolling over in

(40:36):
their graves at the very thought of what is happening
in the White House. And may I also point out
that if you and I were in Washington, I doubt
we would get credentials to sit in the White House
briefing room.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
And that tells you a lot.

Speaker 16 (40:52):
So let me just put the cap on the Epstein
case and say, I'm waiting.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I want to see how they.

Speaker 16 (40:58):
Answer, and if what Carol I love it talked about
in the White House today prevails, and I don't believe
it will. I think the American people are too smart.
We have to have faith in the American people, but
they ultimately and I'm not just talking about us, we
already know where we stand. I'm talking about the Trump supporters.
At what point do they say enough is enough? And

(41:22):
that's the question.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You made mention of how either you or me would
get a White House press credential, And there's a lot
of truth to that, but there's also, I would say,
an abdication of responsibility by the White House Press core
and also cable news media, the people who are asking
the questions of these members of Congress and not doing

(41:47):
the correct follow ups, not being thorough in the types
of questions, and elucidating these facts.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
That we want to come out.

Speaker 16 (41:55):
I agree. And this is not the old days when
Lawrence Spivak MC meets press. This is not a time
when listen, I can tell I get into discussions with
people all the time. You want to know that I
know who listens to Fox. Do you know how I
know who listens to Fox, which I don't call news
Fox and news is an oxymoron. What I know is

(42:17):
they repeat the same information word for work. People say
to me, how do you correct that? Now I listen
to CNN. It is not that CNN is neutral, It
is hardly neutral. They have explained where they stand. So
the trick is to be able to trust that in
the end the judgment of the American people will come down. Look, no,

(42:38):
I don't know how often I'll interact with you on
this program, but I hope we have that opportunity often
in the future. Not to exclude Mark, of course, but
I want to be crystal clear that there is no
doubt that the position that you and I have that
the Epstein case is not a hoax, That the Republicans
in Congress have acted irresponse constibly, that the White House

(43:02):
disinformation designed to protect Donald Trump. We just don't know
from what these are the realities, And I know that
most of the people who listen to Mark Thompson program
agree with us. So that is why I spend the
disproportionate amount of time talking to people who I know
don't agree with me, don't agree with our position, because

(43:22):
that is the value of public media. And let me
indicate one more thing. Everywhere I go, people regret that
here in San Francisco we have no talk radio.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Zero zilch.

Speaker 16 (43:35):
And can you imagine that we now have talk radio,
which is primarily overwhelmingly far right wing, an echo chamber
for Trump in his White House. And you were correct
in saying had Nixon had this kind of coverage, he
never would have been forced out. And so I think

(43:57):
the simple reality is we have to keep hoping it'll work.
And I'm going to watch carefully to see what the
House does.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Given that we agree as far as this is something
which is dangerous for Donald Trump and he's fearful of
this information coming out. Let's marry this with the ending
of the shutdown and the Democrats their demands as far
as extending Obamacare and those subsidies for.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
In these three years.

Speaker 17 (44:25):
They caved, But they cave, but they don't they understand
that what's going on now is going to ensure that
they're not going to get anything in the future of
vote or anything out of it.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
No, quite the contrary.

Speaker 16 (44:36):
What they have to do now is go out and
say the reason we had to cave is because we
didn't have the votes. People say to me, the Democrats
have no backbones. They have a backbone, and they've been
expressing themselves. But what matters in the end is that
you have the votes. And I can tell you that
I hope that what we saw a week ago Tuesday,
where a Democrats swept in terms of the election, and

(44:59):
here in California over Prop fifty were more than sixty
percent of citizens of California voted for fifty. There is
no doubt in my mind that you've got to keep
spreading the word, keep articulating, keep exposing, and that's all

(45:19):
we can do, and that's what we must be committed
to do. That is what a free press is all about.
And you and I are part of that free press.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You said the Democrats cave, You said the Democrats didn't
have the votes, Well, they didn't have the votes prior
to the shutdown. That didn't change during the shutdown. So
what was the exercise in the pain that Americans had
to suffer when they knew going in seemingly from what
you're saying, there was no way that they could win AIRCAFT.

Speaker 16 (45:48):
I have to hope. What turned it around food stamps.
That's what turned it around. People calling and saying we
can't afford to put food on the table. Air traffic
controllers who started these faces slow downs. Thanksgiving is coming,
for God's sake. People are thinking about their stomachs, people
are thinking about traveling to see their families. And the

(46:09):
Democrats held as a group. There were seven Democrats and
one independent Senator King who decided it's enough already. Well,
the point's been made, and I think the Democrats need
to stand up. The other big question today has to
do with Chuck Schumer. Do you keep Chuck Schumer as
the leader of the Democrats in.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
The same way?

Speaker 16 (46:30):
Okay, no way, he advises, you're saying no way. That
may well be true. And then the question becomes who
do you replace them with? Because whoever is the Senate
leader has to be the person who represents the Democratic Party.
Notice I said the Democratic Party and their legal name.

(46:51):
And that's going to be an interesting battle as well.
There's another question, will Chuck Schumer be challenged in the
Democratic primary in New York for reelection?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And that's a good question.

Speaker 16 (47:03):
I think he probably will be, and it's going to
be a real battle between the so called progressives. I'm
no fan of AOC, never have been, never will be,
or stands on so many issues offend me. But be clear,
Chuck Schumer is going to have a tough time being
re elected. If I were Chuck Schumer, I'd pack it
in and let the Democratic Party in New York really

(47:26):
choose a successor. So there are a lot of ramifications here.
One other quick point, Speaker Johnson, I'm a student of
the House of Representatives. I've interviewed some of the best authors.
By the way, Dick Cheney passed away, but ever you
thought of Dick Cheney, his book written with his wife
called Kings of the Hill is a tremendous portrait of

(47:47):
the House of Representatives and how it should work. And
by the way, you will note that Cheney, who was
a Republican, would been well congressman, Secretary of Defense, vice president,
chief of staff at the White House under Jerry four,
endorse Joe Biden for reelection, and then supported Kamala Harris,
not because he's a Democrat, but because he was offended

(48:10):
and properly so, by what has happened to the Republican Party.
Look at the Republicans who stood up and who continue
to stand up, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Chris Christy. There
are Republicans who have stood up to do battle and
they've lost. It's true, but you have to believe, and
I do believe that the Republican Party will have to

(48:33):
reform itself after Trump and Jade Vance, by the way,
and Marco Rubio running against each other for the Republican
nomination for president does not edify me at all.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I wonder as we bring this conversation to a close,
John Rothman, I can speak to you all day.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I love this. I get geeky with it.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Do you think the recent retirement announcement of Speaker Amrita
Nancy Paloe on some level was a message to Chuck
Schumer as well, It's time for new leadership.

Speaker 16 (49:08):
Look, Nancy Pelosi is a close personal friend. I've known
her for so many years I can't even recount them.
She will continue to be active. She is the most
prodigious fundraiser in the Democratic Party. By the way, her
daughter Christine announced she will not run for the House.
She is going to run for the California State Senate

(49:29):
seat currently held by Scott Wiener here in San Francisco.
I don't think Nancy is going to fade at all.
As long as she has breath, she will be right there.
What is it a signed when you get too old?
Let me tell you, the toughest thing in the world
is to admit you're too old to do something, because

(49:51):
in a sense, you close a door on the part
of your life, particularly if you enjoy the rough and tumble.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
And I think that that's the key.

Speaker 16 (50:01):
Somebody asked me when Walter Cronkite, the most trusted man
in America, stepped out of his position as anchor the
CBS he New News. Why did he do it? Because
he knew he had to make way for a new generation.
Nancy knows that. But let me tell you. The greatest
aphrodisiac is power. And if you have power and you

(50:23):
can exercise that power and you can have an influence
on your country, what a marvelous thing to have happened.
So I'm very optimistic about the future. The Democrats are
going to have to recalibrate what they do. The Republicans
when Donald Trump has gone, we'll have to recalibrate what
they do. And you and I will make a date
to be right here on the Mark Thompson Program in

(50:44):
twenty years and we'll see how the two parties work
it out.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, said my friend, the last word will be yours.
John Rothman, Presidential Historian. Thank you so much, sir. We
have to do this again.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
You're right. We have to do this because I love
the conversation.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I love your insight, I love your walkthrough history, which
is really necessary. Beyond facts, we need to know our
history as well. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
We thank you at best of luck. There he goes
John Rothman.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Absolutely love it The Mark Thompson Show with all the
breaking news that's going on right now. And if you're
just tuning in, I'm O Kelly, who's in for Mark
Thompson on this heavy news day. We got to make
sure that you get some sampling of the news bigger picture,
and Kim McCallister now has that for you.

Speaker 10 (51:33):
Here we go, Thank you, Moe on the Mark Thompson Show.
I'm Kim McAllister. This report is sponsored by Coachella Valleycoffee
dot Com. A vote is set for tonight in the
House on a measure to end the government shutdown overnight.

(51:53):
The House rules Committee voted along party lines to advance
a government funding deal that has already passed in the Senate.
The majority GOP committee did not adopt any amendments to
the bill that would extend federal health care subsidies, So
we kind of knew that was coming right. The White House.
Pushing back against the release of emails from Jeffrey Epstein

(52:14):
that mentioned President Trump, Democrats in the House posted the
emails involving the convicted sex trafficker on social media today,
a move that Press Secretary Caroline Levitt called a selective
leak to the liberal media. Epstein said Trump spent hours
at his house with a female victim. In one email
Epstein sent to his accomplice, Glaine Maxwell in twenty eleven.

(52:38):
Flight issues are easing today compared to the last few days.
As of last check, more than eleven hundred flights were
delayed and more than eight hundred canceled today. Lights have
been cut since Friday by the FAA because of shutdown
related staffing issues. There's widespread reporting now that the US
Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bavine and many of his agents

(53:01):
will be leaving Chicago soon. Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker
says he believes ICE and Border patrol will still maintain
a presence in the city, just in fewer numbers. Pritzker
added that Homeland Security officials haven't communicated their plans to
his office directly. Reports say Boveno could depart from the
city for another assignment this week. The Trump administration deployed

(53:24):
hundreds of agents to Chicago in early September as part
of an operation they called Midway Blitz. The Trump administration
getting ready to make announcements on affordability soon, according to
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant, who said Americans will see substantial
announcements over the next couple of days for items not

(53:45):
grown in the United States. Bessant didn't provide details on
how prices will be lowered, but said items such as coffee, bananas,
and other fruits will likely be impacted. And speaking of that,
I will say there are new tariffs target Italian imports.
I don't know if you heard this mode, but start
as early as January, US tariff rates on imported pasta

(54:08):
from thirteen major Italian companies could jump to as high
as one hundred and seven percent. That's under a preliminary
US Commerce Department decision. So what that means for US
is that the cost of Italian pasta could more than
double if the brands decide to pass the tariff costs
onto retail buyers and experts say exporters rather say the

(54:31):
tariffs could effectively bar the targeted Italian companies from selling
pasta to US markets. So, you know, sometimes he feels
like the spaghetti is the cheapest option for dinner. Maybe
not not any more. No, the price of everything is
going up. As you mentioned yesterday, the grandson of President

(54:53):
John F. Kennedy is planning to run for a congressional
seat in New York City next year. Jack Schlossberg is
is the only son of Caroline Kennedy and will seek
to replace the retiring Jerry Nadler in his district in Manhattan.
The thirty two year old political commentator, writer, and online
influencer spoke at the twenty twenty four Democratic National Convention.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Now running for office as well, Hey, Kim, let me
jump in there, and I think there's a commentary to
be made with Schlosberg running for Nadler's seat. Nadler, another
venerable Democrat, longtime serving Democrat.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
He obviously played.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
A large role in one, if not both, of the
Trump impeachment proceedings. Everything around Chuck Schumer, going back to
my conversation with John Rothman, suggests that do Democrats internally
understand it's time for a new wave of leaders to

(55:53):
pass the mantle, to pass the baton. I don't understand
why Senator Chuck Schumer doesn't see the handwriting on the wall.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
That's more rhetorical question.

Speaker 10 (56:05):
Yeah, I your guesses as good as mine. The US
Department of Justice plans to investigate UC Berkeley and its
handling of a recent Turning Point USA event on campus.
The event that took place Monday night ended with some
attendees clashing with protesters who were demonstrating outside the event.

(56:26):
It's believed several fights broke out, video showing at least
one bloodied person being led away by police. Police have
confirmed three people were arrested. Now, the Department of Justice
plans to investigate UC Berkeley and whether any free speech
or anti discrimination laws were violated all over this Turning
Point fracas at U see Berkeley Governor Gavin Newsom is

(56:50):
attending an international climate summit. We'll talk more about that
with it's the planet stupid. As our eco journalist Belinda
Weymouth joins the show, the White House has opted not
to send representatives to the thirtieth Climate Change Conference in
Brazil this year. Instead, Newsom and New Mexico's governor are
joining officials from almost two hundred other countries in the

(57:12):
Amazon Rainforest. In a speaking event. Earlier this week, Newsom
criticized the Trump administration's approach to climate change, saying the
president is allowing China to dominate the.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Clean energy economy.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
San Francisco commuters got a jolt and a shock. This
happened late September. Apparently it looks like a Muni train
operator fell asleep at the controls. The passengers were seen
in a security video screaming, some jolted from their seats,

(57:46):
others slamming into the wall of the train. After it
appeared the operator of the train knotted off to sleep,
the train comes to a halt. The operator says in
the video, I'm sorry. Relaxed, relax, relax, it wouldn't stop.
We didn't crash. The incident happened when the end Judah
train was headed inbound towards San Francisco. According to Muni.

(58:10):
The agency officially said that the train experienced a series
of unexpected jolting movements while navigating a curve at an
excessive speed of about fifty miles an hour while exiting
a tunnel Canza. It's quite a morning ride.

Speaker 11 (58:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I don't know about you, but never have I become
more relaxed because someone told me, relax.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Relax, relax. We didn't crash.

Speaker 10 (58:35):
You're fine, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, just because the worst thing didn't happen doesn't mean
that something bad didn't happen along the way. And I
used to take a lot of public transportation that should
never happen.

Speaker 10 (58:51):
Never Now the operator, you see the operator jolting awake. Yeah,
that's not good. I can imagine though.

Speaker 16 (58:59):
Mo.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
You know, those trains are pretty automated, and so if
you're sitting there, you probably don't have to do very much.
It would be easy to nod off to sleep because
you're not really having to exercise those skills where you
have to be constantly aware. Right, it would be easy
to be lulled. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I wonder I'm thinking like most to your point, as
far as automation, that there should be some sort of
failsafe where the trains cannot exceed a certain speed on
certain portions of the track for that reason, to eliminate
the possibility of operator error.

Speaker 10 (59:38):
Right. I think that's a great rule to have. MUNI
should listen to you, Mo, That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
They don't care.

Speaker 10 (59:46):
They don't care. Millions of Americans and thank you for
the video, Tony. Millions of Americans are getting a chance
to witness the dazzling Northern lights. The National Oceanic Atmospheric
Administration issuing a severe G magnetic storm alert as it
reports at least twenty one states, including as far as
Florida South as Florida, could see the Aurora Borealis this week.

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The Northern lights occur when the Sun's plasma interacts with
the Earth's magnetics fields. So that's kind of exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I've never seen it. I never never seen it. I
want to see it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
I'm going to be looking just in case. My last
time they said it was going to happen. My young
son and I after dark. He wanted me to wake
him up, and we drove around the neighborhood to the
hills so we could see if we saw it and
we saw nothing. Okay, it was a bus.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
It's probably difficult to see it where I am in
La because of to your point, light pollution, where there's
so many lights for you to see the faint northern
lights is highly unlikely. You would probably have to go
out to the desert or to the hills, just some
way to get away from some of the light.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
But I would love to see it. I just never have.

Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
There were pictures last time of the northern lights at
the Golden Gate Bridge, so I don't know. I mean,
that's a pretty light polluted area, right and still look
Tony's showing us the northern lights right now. So cool. Yeah,
we saw they were there were pictures and they say
sometimes even if you can't see it with a human eye,

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if you take a cell phone picture, something happens where
your cell phone picks up the light. So that's pretty cool.
Today we come to the final penny. The US Mint
is striking its very last penny today. President Trump previously
announced plans to retire the coin, which dates back to
seventeen ninety three. In February. That's when he announced it

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would be coming to a close because he said production
costs were a primary reason. According to the Treasury Department,
the penny will remain legal tender and retain its value indefinitely,
as there are approximately three hundred billion pennies still in circulation,
which exceeds the amount needed for commerce.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
So of all the things that I complain about with
President Trump or that I'm opposed to ideologically opposed to,
I agree with this one. The penny doesn't serve any
real purpose in society. The question is how businesses will respond,
you know, as far as making change or even the
idea of just having physical currency.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
How much longer that's going to exist?

Speaker 10 (01:02:22):
Yeah, and you you wonder, is there a coin collector
just waiting for that very last penny to be struck?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Who gets the last penny?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Mo oh oh Yeah, No, the collectors are going to
be on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I mean, anything which no longer exists increase in value.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
So most definitely it will be me.

Speaker 10 (01:02:40):
I bet Trump gets the last penny. I'm guessing. Speaking
of money, the next Mega Million's jackpot is now worth
almost a billion dollars because last night's drawing came and
went without a grand prize winner. That means a winning
match and Friday night's poll will be worth at least
nine hundred and sixty five million. If you know, you

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took the cash option mode, that would be just over
four hundred and forty five million.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
So wait, waitute people don't take the cash option. Why
would you not take the cash option? I would rather
have four hundred million in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
My bank account today as opposed to some annuity for
the next twenty years that I may not even be
here to see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Give me my money.

Speaker 10 (01:03:21):
Now, here's the thing is, if you get hit by
a mac truck, then the payments stop, right, Yeah they don't.
They don't keep paying your descendants.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
No, No, it's give me my money now.

Speaker 10 (01:03:33):
Yeah, all of it. Yeah, you got to take all
the cash while you can get it and use it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
When I was hosting on KFI, I would get into
pitched battles with people over Lotto Superlato, you know, Mega millions,
and I had seemingly an unpopular opinion and I kind
of talked about it a little bit with Kim just
a moment ago. I was of the opinion that you

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should always take the lump sum. Yeah, always and people
said no, no, no, no, no, no, I want to be
able to manage my money, or the reasons I heard.
I want to be able to manage my money. I
want to make sure that I have money for the
rest of my life. And I'm thinking, like, if I
have the lump sum now, I can put not that
I would. I'm saying I could put that in a

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money market account and just live off the interest for
the rest of my life, and I can do with
it as I please in the here and now while
I'm still here right now, as opposed to trying to
possibly play the game, you know a lot of of
a different nature, and assuming that I want to be
here in twenty five thirty years, I can't make that assumption.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I got to help people now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I want to be Mackenzie Bezos, where I go to
different universities and drop money. Yes, drop fifty million here,
drop thirty million here, drop another seventy million here. I
want to be that philanthropist. And the only way that
I can do that is to get all the money
up front. That's that's the best way to do it.

Speaker 10 (01:06:18):
The funny part is that we're talking about this as
if we actually have a chance in hell of winning
the lottery.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
That's why I don't play. Hey, Tony, play I have.

Speaker 18 (01:06:31):
I never expect to win. It's like Vegas. It's like, eh,
but see, I don't gamble. It's yeah, I don't gamble.
I have, but yeah it don't expect to win ever.
But I think I think it's just because people they
want the full amount and the lump summ gets knocked
in half right there, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
Or maybe these people are bad at managing money and
they they and that I think they're just gonna spend
it all or their family is gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Ask because that happens a lot with lottery winners.

Speaker 10 (01:07:00):
Doled out a little at a time, that maybe someone
that isn't strong on money management, might I have a
shot at not blowing at all at once.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Money in your hand can make you money, It can grow,
you can invest it. As a number of people have
said in the in the chat, I don't want someone
to make that decision for me. I'll get a financial advisor,
the best in the country. If I have four hundred
and sixty two million dollars, I can find a financial advisor.
There was a guy, Edwin Castro who I think last

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year won like two point one billion in California lotto,
and he went out there and he has sense bought
a I don't know, three or four different twenty five
million dollar houses. He's been buying up properties in the
Altadena area. He's been really I would say, irresponsible for
the most part with his money. He's still not going

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to run out. He is still not going to run
out act I mean, and I said that today you
could put it in a minimum interest bearing savings account
and never run out of money. All I'm saying is
I would rather have the autonomy to do to make
the most impact with that money, sure in the short term,

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as opposed to dueling it out, you know, ten percent
each year for the rest of my life and not
necessarily getting the full value or the full benefit of
having four hundred and sixty two million. Yes, I know
I'm gonna you know, I lose a lot of that
at taxes off the top, but I would rather that

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than have to worry about the taxes going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
That's just me, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:42):
For me, it's a trust issue. I don't I don't
trust that the lottery is going to be around in
however many years, Like I want to make sure all
that money is coming my way and it's not you know,
sitting lingering out somewhere in the ether. I want to
make sure it comes to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Now, you're right, Kim, because we we all remember Publisher's
Clearinghouse where you could win, like, I don't know, ten
thousand dollars a month for life, right, and what happened?
They went out of business this year.

Speaker 10 (01:09:12):
Nothing is guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Nothing is guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
So give me my money now, why I know, while
I know that you have it and you have the
ability to give it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
And also something else.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
I don't play lotto, I don't gamble, So this may
seem a bit hypocritical talking about something that I don't
even participate in. But if I was in a lot
of pool with my last job, and I think Tony
might even still be in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
It, yeah, Michelle want see what Tony cid?

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Yeah, Michelle runs it, and I don't think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
If I were to come into a large lump sum
of let's say, more than ten million dollars, I would
never tell anyone. Now, I can't control what the Lottery
Commission does as far as their public announcement, and I
think that puts people in danger.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
I don't know why they do that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
They have these public announcements and disclosures. I would never
tell anybody. I would live my life privately, exactly the
same way. I probably create a corporation. In fact, I
know I would create a corporation to make all these
donations that I want in a philanthropic sense.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
But Kim, I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
I'm not telling you if I want the lovery. I'm
not telling Tony. I'm not telling anyone in the chat.
You're not going to see me driving around in a
five hundred thousand dollar car. You're not gonna hear about
me buying a twenty five million dollar mansion. You're not
because that is a recipe for disaster. You're not going

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to know anything about my change in financial status or
tax bracket.

Speaker 10 (01:10:49):
Nope, no, sir, because money is weird, because then people
start treating you differently, right and mean, like trying to
kill you. Well, yeah, trying to rob you. My husband
is convinced that if you win a billion to the
lottery that he said we'd have to move because people
would want to kidnap our kids and people would be
at risk. I think this is ridiculous. But Okay, maybe

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that's true in California.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Maybe yes, he's right, ret you out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yes, I don't think that they will kill you for less.

Speaker 10 (01:11:23):
But the good news is we won't have to worry
about it because no one's really gonna win. Somebody's gonna win.
It's not gonna be us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Well you know, I know, but I can always hope
against hope.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
It's one of those things like I would like to win,
but as they say, you can't win if you don't play,
and I don't play because for me, I've always thought
that the lottery was attacks on poorer communities. You're selling
them this dream and they're spending let's say, fifteen to
twenty dollars a week for something that they will never win. Yes,
there's that one person who gets lucky out of millions,

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but for the most part, all of us are playing, playing,
and we're paying into it and we're not get anything
out of it. And also, let's not forget this originally
was supposed to support California schools, and California education is
still like in the bottom ten percentile even today, after
all these hundreds of millions supposedly, I don't know how

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what percentage, but a degree of it was earmarked for
California public education.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
It has not improved it at all.

Speaker 10 (01:12:26):
No, and despite all of this, Tony, and we still
have this you know, we all know we're not going
to win, but we all still have the what if
we do plan?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 18 (01:12:35):
Yeah, that's an interesting thing with you know, gambling and
all that lottery isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Legal in Nevada.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Well that's like a no.

Speaker 18 (01:12:44):
That's why one of the biggest the state line has
literally a convenience store just on the other side of
the border that everyone in Vegas goes to buy lottery
tickets at.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
You're not going to allow the competition in the whole
point of lotto in California was our first step towards
legalization of gambling. And there's been this mission creep ever
since the creation of the lottery, where well, it's not poker,
it's pigal poker, it's not blackjack as something else. And

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you have these gaming casinos like Hustler Casino or Commerce Casino.
And I'm not even talking about the Indian gaming I'm
just talking about these actual legitimate establishments Hollywood Park Casino
where they're playing these games which.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Are not quote unquote gambling and betting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
The law is such that it's supposed to be something
where it's a testament of skill.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
There's a degree of skill to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
It and not random which allow these games. But California
and many other states have been getting closer closer to
becoming Las Vegas, and Las Vegas doesn't want that to happen,
even with sports gambling that had been outlawed for the
longest and now we have that because I remember growing
up my father would go to park you love playing

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the horses. That was the only gambling per se we
had in California. And then they brought in off track
betting where you could bet the dogs. In Florida back
when they had dog racing, you could bet the different
horse racing a different tracks around the country. It has
always moved closer and closer to just legalization of gambling

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in the way that we see in Nevada, and Nevada
has pushed back against that obviously, because who wants to
go to Vegas if they can stay right here in
La and do it Now the political tie in is
like they tried it in Atlantic City and Trump found
some way to bankrupt casinos because Atlantic City was supposed

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to be able to be the answer to Las Vegas
and that did not turn out that way. So as
far as a lot of was concerned, a lot of
was that first step to help introduce gambling here in California.
And it is all always gotten closer and closer to
the line of what we see in Las Vegas, and

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eventually it'll get there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Where were we going to say, Tony.

Speaker 18 (01:15:07):
Saying that whole skill and chance thing is quite an
interesting line. That's why pinball was illegal for so long,
because it was they had to prove a guy I
think it was in New York proved that it was
a game of skill because before that's why they destroyed
so many pinball machines pre war and all that was
because it was considered.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
A game of chance. Right, No, No, it's a game
of skill.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
And yeah, it's a distinction with out a job. You
know it. You know it's not a car, it's a vovo.
So what are you talking about? It is exactly that.
It is gambling. It is chance.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Now, there are people who are better at the game
than others. You want to be a card counter or
something like that, and understand mathematical probabilities, but in terms
of it being actual skill, of course not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
But that's all they legalize.

Speaker 18 (01:15:55):
And if you're good at that skill, they kick you
out of those casinos real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
It's weird because counting about not illegal, but if it
can't be doing in the casino exactly well.

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
To your point, now, everywhere seems to be kind of
like Las Vegas because of the Indian casinos, and they
are everywhere. There's a Las Vegas style casino the next
town over. You just go spend the night, you can,
you know, gamble at the and stay at their hotel
and and bask in their spa and then go to
the slot machines and have a great time, and you

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know they'll they'll happily take your money.

Speaker 18 (01:16:31):
Interesting rules with the slot machines too, from what I've
I guess I've done far too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Much down the rabbit hole of slot machines.

Speaker 18 (01:16:37):
And in Vegas they have to have a ninety percent
pay rate, like ninety percent or better as Vegas as rules,
but it's over like two billion spins, so that's why
you'll never win. But Indian casinos sixty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Hey, Tony, So how the shoemaker says, dang, look at
Tony with the pinball knowledge. I had no idea it
was illegal at some point.

Speaker 18 (01:17:00):
Style you may not know great documentary. I need to
find it. But it's a really good pinball documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Tony, you are a pinball expert, and I don't want
to out you and getting theveryone. But for those who
don't know, Tony, where did this love of pinball come from?
And what do you have to express your love of pinball?

Speaker 18 (01:17:18):
Me and my dad bought one thirty years ago and
and I bought one now, so I have two now
in my little house.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
You know you have two pinball actual stand up machines.

Speaker 18 (01:17:30):
Yeah, and I built my own vpin as well, like
a virtually people have made like virtual pinball once, so
I've done that too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
But I'm saving. I'm trying to buy one more than
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
And Tony, you have how many arcade games at this point?
Stand up consoles?

Speaker 18 (01:17:42):
Oh, in my ten to twelve twelve, But we're all again.
Emulator cabinets. They're not original, they're they're they're remade cabinets.
They've you've seen in the background before and another when
I had my camera that one. But about twelve plus,
but there's still a full cabinet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
It's it's the yes full.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
With the proper controls and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Yes, yes, it's not a video game on your TV. No.

Speaker 18 (01:18:05):
And I also have a pachinko machine now too, a
Japanese slot machine.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Right Pachenko is a fascinating machine. The modern pachinko machines
are really cool with like they have like animatronics in them.

Speaker 18 (01:18:19):
Oh, I don't know why I've after going to Vegas
just a few months ago and playing modern slot machines,
I don't know why Vegas doesn't switch to to pachnko.
It's so much better than the modern current slot machines.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
They're terrible. I hate them. They far too much homework
now on slot machines.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Most of the slot chains that I see slop machines
that I see now are the divisionally based.

Speaker 18 (01:18:39):
Its big cell phones. Yes, they're giant cell phone screens.
And there's it's too much homework. It's not fun anymore.
There's no carrot and stick. I don't know if I'm
even close to winning, and I just give up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Kim, are you a gambling enthusiast?

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
I've been to Vegas, I would say four times in
the past five years, and I've not made one bet,
not one stop by the roulette, blackjack, not one sportsbook bet.
It has no real appeal to me, and people say
I'm weird.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
It's just the gambling gene.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Is not something that I had, and working in entertainment,
working in the music industry, we would do things in Vegas,
all sorts of you know, I have my vices. Gambling
is just not one of them.

Speaker 10 (01:19:21):
When the lottery gets up to about a billion dollars
like it is now, I'll buy a ticket like I
like to bet on Hope Mo.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
It'll get up to a billion, and I won't think
to stop by seven to eleven. It doesn't even pass
doesn't even pass through my mind. You know, I'm aware
of it because you follow the news and it's like,
oh my gosh, it's up to a billion, like we
were talking about today. But nothing is going to inspire
me to go spend twenty dollars on a lotto. And
like Murphy Rohan says, I don't gamble at all either.

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I mean it doesn't there's no thrill for me at
the prospect of losing my money getting nothing for it.
I would rather spend one hundred dollars on a great
steak dinner than spending one hundred dollars on Superlato or
at the Craft's table.

Speaker 10 (01:20:13):
Sure.

Speaker 18 (01:20:13):
So I'm going to Vegas next week for Formula one
and the only thing I really want to do is
there's a pinball museum Hall of Fame there that has
like a thousand pinball machines.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
That's all I want to do when they go there,
I just want to say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
That sounds like fun. But you're not going there to gamble, No,
not at all.

Speaker 10 (01:20:30):
Karen says, it's the fantasy, mo, what is okay?

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Well, deal with that. What is the fantasy I'm putting
down real money? There's no fantasy.

Speaker 10 (01:20:38):
Well, it's the same fantasy that led you to already
have a plan to know if you won, what you
would do. It's that moment from today, if you buy
your ticket until Friday, you live in the There's always
this kind of idea floating around that I could win, right,
I mean, but I could, there's a there's a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Maybe they're okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I classify fantasies on two different levels. They're fantasies that
I actively would consider think about. I don't want to
be too specific, and they are fantasies that I have
no real desire to see what it's like real. I mean,
you know, there's some fantasies of like, yeah, I want
to just quit my job and get on a plane

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and and or get on a cruise ship, but never
come back and live on a cruise ship. That's a fantasy.
But I've never actually taken steps in to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
To realize it in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
You know, some things are a little I should say
a lot of things are better as fantasies, not an
exercise in reality. And Richard says, the fantasy is all
the free money. Yeah, that's appealing, but I'm very conservative
when it comes to money. In other words, by stock
portfolio four one K the investment strategies. And maybe it's

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an age thing. And here's a realization. And I made
this comment earlier in the week talking about what I
went through during the Great Recession. Because I went through
such hell in the Great Recession, I am far more
frugal and far more aware of how I spend money

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and the long term implications, Like just because I have
some money in my bank account and my savings account,
that's for the rainy day. That's not for me an
opportunity to see if I can wager it on the
Chicago Bulls in the seven point spread.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
I don't even think in those terms, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
And John Watson says I have far more chance of
getting eaten by a shark than winning big time on
the lottery. That's a true statement. I have a better
chance of getting struck by lightning. I've a better chance of,
unfortunately dying in a plane accident.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
All those things are true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
But I don't get any enjoyment out of playing it.
And for some people there is enjoyment in gambling, there's
enjoyment in playing the lotto.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I just don't. I don't get it. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
When I put down, and I've done it before, years past,
put down my twenty dollars quick picks for Super.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Lotto, I don't get a rush from that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I don't say like, oh my gosh, I got a
chance to you know what if and they say you
can't win if you don't play, you're damn right. And
I can't lose either. And maybe I'm a little more pessimistic.
Maybe I'm a little more negative, and I think that
twenty dollars. I would have rather gotten a double jack
neat because in my mind, I'm getting something out of it. Sure,

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and when you're playing the lotto, how many times do
we actually sit there and watch the lotto draw. I
don't think I ever have in the past fifteen twenty years.
I just go search out the numbers. So there's no
moment of enjoyment for me. There's just the disappointment of,
Oh I didn't win anything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Oh I'm won five dollars. I put in twenty on
one to five, you know, and you know what, And
maybe that is good for me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Not that I have an addictive personality, but I never
like losing control. What I mean is I've never done drugs, right,
maybe because I've seen what has done to other people.
And I've never been a big gambler. And now I
have to say now that I'm not a gambler at all, because.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I don't like losing that level of control.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
In other words, my parents always drove into me, don't
do it if you can't deal with the consequences. Well,
I can't deal with the consequences of losing money. I
can't deal with the consequences of getting hooked on drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
I just can't. I know that about me, So I've
shot away that from that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
And for other people, great, knock yourself out, go do
some molly, ecstasy, coke, crack.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Wager you half your check. Good for you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:11):
That's just not me, Citizen Morgan says, I gotta try
because nothing's changing in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
So you know, I've dabbled in the stock market, and
for me, I get some joy out of that because
I can watch the market go up go down. I
can get a tip from him or from her, and
then I can see if my acumen can make me
little money. And I've had some you know, I've shortened
some stocks when they did the meme stocks as far

(01:25:37):
as AMC theaters and also game Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
I got in on that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
I made a little money on that one because I
kind of knew how the entertainment industry and the movie
industry worked. So for short term investment, I made some money.
Not bragging. Wasn't big money, but I had fun doing it.
And yes, that is a form of gambling, but it's
not something that I lost control.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I committed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Let's say I think I committed like maybe one thousand
dollars but it wasn't. I wasn't going to add to it.
It was almost like, that's it if it makes money.
And I knew it was going to make money in
the short term because with the meme stocks it was
it was being falsely inflated. So there wasn't a lot
of risk for me. And then I got out like
five weeks later. Great, and I didn't do it again

(01:26:23):
and that.

Speaker 10 (01:26:24):
But that's some skill. I mean, that's different than just
hitting the numbers, right, You've got some skill involved. It's
like Mark with poker. He likes to play poker, that's right.
Skill involved in that. So there is a difference, there is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
But you know, I've never been a big poker player. Now,
I love watching poker. I love watching because I like
to see the strategy unfold. I like to see the
psychology of working the player, not necessarily the hand.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I thoroughly enjoy that. But I have no desire to
sit down at a table and play with my money.
Texas hold them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Maybe I'll play with someone else's money, but I'm not
going to play with my money. So you know, I
know I'm weird to some people, and I get that.
And there are a lot of people are like, no,
I love gambling great, I don't love losing, and that's
why I don't usually gamble.

Speaker 10 (01:27:24):
Sure, and so don't, right, I mean, if you don't
like that feeling of losing. And that's what though. I
think a lot of people play and they don't remember
the feeling of losing until it happens. But if you
can start with that feeling of losing, you'll save yourself
a lot of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Right, And when I did, I think the last time
I bet, I was in my thirties maybe early forties,
and I did this parlay with the Chicago Bulls where
if they won both games and they covered the spread,
I would have won like maybe one hundred and fifty
dollars or something, and I lost my money and I

(01:28:01):
lost badly, and I remember the feeling of losing to
this day. And maybe that's why I'm maybe so critical
of these companies like draft Kings and Prize Picks and
fan Duel, because they've made it so easy for people

(01:28:23):
to connect their bank accounts, add money to their accounts,
and then lose money so easy. Once upon a time,
I remember when you actually had to go find that
illegal bookie and the types of bets that you could make,
and on the sports it was very limited.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
It was very, very limited.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And now, like with alcohol and drugs, they've legalized it
and taxed it, but they've made it much more easy
for us to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Cater to our own sins.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
And that's why I'm very judicious and I stay away
because I don't want to dip my toe in that water,
because it's quite easy for people to fall all the
way in it.

Speaker 10 (01:29:05):
Sure is. And you say your parents told you don't
start if you can't deal with the consequences, right, My
thing I tell my kids is if you never start,
you never have to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
And for me, it was all encompassing. They met drugs,
they meant gambling. They included that with sex in the
sense of they said, don't bring any babies into this house.
My mother and her inevitable wisdom, that was, oh yeah,
quick story. I was fifteen years old. True story. My
mother denies it to this day, but I remember I
was fifteen years old. I was sitting at the kitchen

(01:29:39):
counter and I had enough. I was still a virgin
at that point, but I had enough knowledge to know
what went where and how it happened, and my mother
sat me down at the counter and she said, almost verbatim, Well,
your father's to chickenish to have this conversation with you,
so I guess it's going to be me. That's how

(01:29:59):
it starts it out. So it was all downhill from there.
So this was my birds and bees conversation at fifteen
years old. She says, I don't care what you do
or who you do it with, just don't bring any
g damn babies in this house. I think she said,
don't bring any babies in this g damn house. Oh,

(01:30:22):
and she threw in an MF in there somewhere. Both
of my parents very profane, and I remember cocking my
head to the side and I looked at her and
I didn't respond immediately, and I said, I called mommy
and Daddy. I said, thanks, Mommy, I appreciate that I'm
now and I said something real smart, something to the
fact of I'm now prepared and ready to go out
into the world.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
And she cussed me out because I don't think she understood.
It's like, you're not helping, you're not giving me any
real information, and the information gave me you just kind
of threw it at me without you know, what am
I supposed to do with this? If you're trying to
scare me away from sex, it's not working because there's
a five girls in my class, in every class that

(01:31:07):
I want to do something with. Because I'm at the
height of puberty. It's like a lot was going on
with me that time. I know, I'm getting way of
far afield here. I don't know how we got from
gambling to puberty, but just stream of consciousness.

Speaker 10 (01:31:23):
Yeah, well, I'm and I'm glad that you didn't bring
any babies into the house, so that's good, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
But no, it did stick with me because to this
day now I have three children via marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Yeah, but I don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Any biological children. And that it did stay with me
through my twenties and thirties. And it wasn't like, you know,
I was out there just doing anything and everything and
just leaving up to chance. They were conscious decisions on
my part along the way where I was not trying
to have children and took the appropriate protection in advance

(01:32:01):
to preclude that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
So, you know, there's a lot of advice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I'm quite sure with everyone who's been watching the show
that parents give us, and we may not readily receive
it at the time, but it does stick with us
to this day. My mother and father drilled into me,
do not go out of the house without a belt
because you're not completely dressed. Do not go out without
an undershirt. I am wearing an undershirt this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Message of stuff, and I'm wearing a belt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Those things that just stick with us forever. And I
may not agree with all the lessons that my parents
try to impart with me, but sometimes through osmosis, it
stays with us forever, forever.

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
The you know, you talk about the things your parents
say to you. My mother's h sex talk was keep
your keep your kniees together, as every time I left
the house, keep your knees together.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
That's it, nothing more, I guess it.

Speaker 10 (01:33:01):
That's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Not to disagree with your mother. But you can still
get in a lot of trouble knees together. I mean,
I don't want to be a contrarian. I'm just thinking
through history. It wasn't bad advice, it's just maybe incomplete advice.

Speaker 10 (01:33:22):
There you go, Here we.

Speaker 11 (01:33:24):
Go the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
It's time to talk with Blenda Weymouth. Eco journalists here
to help us save the planet, because it's the planet, stupid.

Speaker 11 (01:33:39):
Planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Some call me nature.

Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
I am very passionate about the planet Earth.

Speaker 13 (01:33:45):
A living, breathing planet, capable of sustaining whatever life forms.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
We see fit to deposit on it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:51):
Judging by the pollution content of the atmosphere, I believe
we have her on.

Speaker 11 (01:33:54):
It's the planet stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
No, no, no, it's the planet stupid. Blinda. Such a
pleasure to be able to talk to you. Can you
hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I can?

Speaker 10 (01:34:06):
I can?

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
Oh, yes, absolutely, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Yes, yes, I can hear you, and I can see
your lovely face. Let's jump into this, and since we
haven't talked before, I may ask some more general questions
so you can get me up to speed. We are
now at a time where we have an administration which
does not care about anything which has to do with
climate change, green energy, saving the planet, anything, how far

(01:34:36):
if you can quantify, does that set us back in
our attempts to save the planet because it's the planet stupid?

Speaker 14 (01:34:46):
Okay, love the intro, and yes, please feel free to
interrupt me and ask questions because I can go on
and on about the planet, which I'm very passionate about.
So he's the thing Trump administration is doing is just
so incredibly short sighted. I mean, we are seeding leadership

(01:35:08):
over the planet renewable energy, you know, as a world
leader in this domain, completely to China. And it's super
evident right now because the Conference of the Parties COP thirty.
So every year the United Nations, you know, has this
Conference of the Parties. This year it's happening in Brazil

(01:35:29):
in Belem, which is in the Amazon, which is amazing
because you know, the Amazon is the lungs of the
planet and guess who is in there the US. So
it makes the US look really dumb, and it really
sets us back because this is the moment, you know,
this is the moment. And the fact is, you know,

(01:35:50):
so the first first time Trump was our president, he
pulled us out of COP so COP it was COP fifteen.
It was the Conference of the Party so the UN
meeting of world leaders that happened in twenty fifteen. Yeah,
here's COP thirty in Brazil.

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
And he pulled us out of that. And you know,
here's the thing. One hundred and ninety.

Speaker 14 (01:36:09):
Four nations signed up at the time as yes, absolutely,
you know, we're really concerned about the climate and here, here,
here is what we're going to do, as you know.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
As nations to bring emissions down. And he pulled us.

Speaker 14 (01:36:23):
Out the first time around, he pulled us out of
cop the second time around.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
And so we're not there. And here's the thing.

Speaker 14 (01:36:30):
A lot of people go, well, we're not you know,
emissions aren't going down fast enough. But because of Copp
and what happened, And I wanted to spell this out
for people, because we were on it to trajectory before
twenty fifteen to go to I've got written down the
numbers because I can't remember everything. Three point three to
three point eight degrees celsius, not what we use here

(01:36:52):
of climate change warming disastrous and because of what happened,
you know in Paris that year, because nations committed to
it now want a trajectory to go to two point
five to two point nine degrees celsius. But we really
need to be way lower mo. We need to be
at one point five and we're at crunch time. So
the fact that we're not there is done.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
But is there.

Speaker 14 (01:37:15):
Our governor Gavin Newsom and Gavin Newsom is you know,
as we've seen on social media he's a superhero because
he and a cop. He is being followed around by
everyone they want to talk to him. I mean, the
UN security guards can barely get him to the next
thing he's going to be talking at because he's being

(01:37:35):
so mobbed by people, by journalists, because they see him
as the you know that he's the beacon of hope
that you know, America didn't send. He sent himself to
cop and as he said, there, you know, this is
why aren't why isn't every other governor of you know,
in the US you know there, you know, you may
not be able to go if you're a federal you

(01:37:57):
know person, but if you're a governor, you can go.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 14 (01:38:02):
You know, So California fourth largest economy in the world.
One point one in eight Americans lives in California. California
second only to Texas as far as how much renewable
energy is generated. Here, we have a cap and trade
on emissions that Gavin Newsom just extended to go to

(01:38:22):
twenty forty five. So he's there being the American superhero.
And he's also going because this is oh god, mo,
so you know, you take us out of the Paris
climate accord.

Speaker 6 (01:38:36):
You call, you know, the green new scam.

Speaker 14 (01:38:38):
You try to pretend it isn't happening, but guess what
climate change is happening. You also get American business leaders
afraid to stand up and speak the truth about what's
going on.

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
But here's what's happening.

Speaker 14 (01:38:53):
They may not be in Belem, but American business leaders
are there, and there are core prit climate uh conference
is happening in South Paulo and in Rio de Genio.
So in spite of what Trump is saying and the
White House is saying, and Republicans might be saying, you know,

(01:39:14):
en mass to, you know, stand in line with him.
So we've got Darren Woods, CEO of Exxon, and he
was at the last three cops. So he's there in Brazil,
but he's at you know, he's in South Paulo with
the business leaders. He was part of his you know,
push to go there was from the US Chamber of

(01:39:36):
Commerce Commerce because business leeders do see what's happening. And
this this conference in salth Paolo is being put on
by the Milkine Institute. So the financier, the bond financier,
Michael Milkin, he was actually pardoned by Trump. That's a
you know, little bit of information for our listeners. But

(01:39:56):
he's holding this conference and Darren Woods is there. Now,
you know, Darren Woods is saying things like because you know,
he's exon mobile, so he has to say things like, well,
it's not about you know, not having oil and gas,
you know, you know, stopping that as an industry. It's
about what we do with the emissions from burning oil

(01:40:19):
and gas. And that's just passing the buck obviously for
the pollution, the air pollution and the emissions that he's
causing down the line.

Speaker 16 (01:40:26):
Not cool.

Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
But I think it's really important.

Speaker 14 (01:40:31):
To see that while Trump may have left this you know,
created this void by not sending you know, federal representatives
to cop the US is there anyway you know that
our business leaders, we've got Gavin and and you know,
Gavin is really you know saying like the Trump administration

(01:40:54):
made me out, but California isn't. And we are here
and we are ready to partner.

Speaker 6 (01:40:59):
With all of you.

Speaker 14 (01:41:00):
And again, the fourth largest economy in the world, you
can't argue with that because it's all about economics. And
this is a thing actually that Gavin is saying out loud.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
And it's really important.

Speaker 14 (01:41:16):
We really have to change the narrative and how we
talk about climate change, you know. And it was the
thing that Bill Gates dead and his memo a couple
of weeks ago. You know, we can't be talking about
disasters and you know, all this human gloom stuff, you know,
Gavin said, Democrats and everyone have to change it too.
This isn't about the cost of living. This is about

(01:41:38):
people's wallet, because it really is. You know, climate change
and the disasters that come from it cost.

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
Way too much money.

Speaker 14 (01:41:46):
Renewables are the cheapest form of energy being generated now
than anything else, particularly offshore.

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
Wind, and we even had you know, so Bill.

Speaker 14 (01:42:00):
Gates came out, you know, a few weeks ago and
said this thing about you know, climate change. We can't
talk about it as this, you know, this doomsday way.
But he was actually in California a few days before
Cop started saying, Look, my memo has been grossly, grossly misinterpreted.
I wasn't saying that climate change isn't really important.

Speaker 16 (01:42:20):
It is.

Speaker 14 (01:42:21):
And actually he's committed to spending even more of his
fortune to mistigating climate change. He's just talking about the
narrative as well.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
And let me jump in there, blendam because I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
I don't disagree with you, but as I take it
like an informal anecdotal poll of America, I don't know
if Gavin Newsom and where he sits on climate change
and the measures we should be taking to address it
are going to be embraced by the fullness of America,
and that speaks to whether he could become president. It

(01:42:55):
seems like we're at a time where this country is
okay with being dumb, and I mean that in a
lot of ways. This country is okay with pursuing further
petroleum and drilling products, even to our detriment. And we
may be the fourth largest economy in the world, but

(01:43:15):
we still have to deal with the economics of it.
And my question to you is is this country going
to be able to rebound quickly enough. We're talking about
a time in which the presidents defunded Noah, where we're
contributing to our own demise in so many ways. Can
we wake up the rest of the country in a

(01:43:35):
short amount of time or is it going to take
more than one or two presidential election cycles to get
this train back on the proverbial track.

Speaker 6 (01:43:45):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 14 (01:43:46):
We had Trump, we had Biden, and now we've got
Trump again. And when Biden came in, Biden enacted the IRA,
the Inflation Reduction Act, that was the biggest amount of
money ever put towards fighting clime change. You know, that
happened in the in the world. I mean it was globally,
you know, massive, over three hundred billion dollars, and it

(01:44:08):
changed things right away. Mode, Like we the investment that
we had coming from overseas companies as well as what
was happening here in offshore wind. We only had seven
seven offshore wind turbines when Joe Biden became the president,
and he as soon as he got in he gave
the green light for you know, fifteen hundred wind turbines

(01:44:29):
off the Eastern seaboard and wind turbines off the California coast. So, yes,
it does change very quick quickly with administrations. As we
see with Trump, we're sort of in this crazy revolving
door right now. You know, we go from yes, we
believe in climate change and we're doing something about it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
No we don't, Yes we do.

Speaker 10 (01:44:47):
No.

Speaker 14 (01:44:47):
You know, it's like it's like, you know, talk about
flip flopping. It's it's flip flopping on a massive, you know,
kind of idiotic but hugely impactful scale. And I think
the thing the thing is, you know, they just did
this poll right before COP and they did it all
over the world. They did it with seven and a

(01:45:09):
half thousand people sort of everywhere. You know, how do
you feel about climate change? And this is the thing
everyone is concerned about. You know, the majority of people
are concerned about it, a supermajority, you know, above sixty
six percent, which is considered a supermajority. But they're not
sure that renewables are the way out. And this I

(01:45:30):
totally blame the media on because the media gets you know,
Trump is a twenty four to seven news cycle. You know,
the journalists that don't have to do a thing Trump
just gets out of bed and they've got a story.
You know, But we really need to be reiterating, you know,
the things that are happening that are good. And this
is why you know, my brand is good eco news.

(01:45:52):
I want our audience to know that this transition is happening.
Whatever Trump says or does, I mean, Michael Bloomberg before
COP just you know, said I'm going to give a
hundred you know, million dollars towards mitigating methane, you know,
which is a bigger greenhouse gas metter than CO two.

Speaker 6 (01:46:12):
Bill Gates doubling down.

Speaker 14 (01:46:13):
Also what he's spending on climate our Gore is at
you know cop thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
There.

Speaker 14 (01:46:20):
All this stuff is happening, and I think if we
have the media framing it to Americans in the terms
and not just Americans, you know, global citizens, this is
about your wallet. This is about you being able to
have affordable, reliable food, affordable reliable energy, and a future.

Speaker 6 (01:46:45):
For your children.

Speaker 14 (01:46:46):
So I think it's really really important what Govin is
saying to all Democrats, you really have to talk about
this as a cost of living thing, because you know,
this is what it is. It's about a cost of
living right now and then into the future.

Speaker 11 (01:47:00):
Bliter.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Let me play the other side of that argument. I'm
quite sure someone is either watching this conversation or thinking that, well,
that's well and good, but this is not necessarily a
messaging issue. I think by and large, people don't understand
or believe in the urgency of the issue. And I'm
not saying you need to scare everyone doom and gloom
that there's going to be some major storm that's going

(01:47:22):
to wipe out the face of the earth, like like
the movie twenty twelve, or you know, the day after tomorrow.
But I wonder if there doesn't have to be some
sort of turning point where people can intellectually understand that
this is not only a moral imperative, but it's imperative
for the future of our country in world, and sometimes

(01:47:44):
that has to be explained through bad news or bad circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
Does that make any sense.

Speaker 14 (01:47:52):
Yeah, Well, here's the thing though, bad circumstances are already happening.
I mean, you know, we're getting these hugely destruct of
hurricanes and that's because of warming oceans and warming atmosphere.
I mean, that's game on, that's you know, it's happening now.
The northeastern part of the US is so susceptible now

(01:48:12):
to flooding, and the flooding events that are happening, say
around the Appalachians and in Virginia because of how much
water is in the atmosphere, because of how warm the
atmosphere is. Warm air holds more water vapor So the
flooding events that are happening are going to be happening
in Red States, so people are already feeling the facts

(01:48:33):
of it. You know, the tornado season is more destructive,
last longer, these superstorms, they're super grazy. What's about to
happen with early warning systems also for these weather events.
With the underfunding of Noah taking away National Weather Service employees,
I mean, there's a thing I was going. So this

(01:48:54):
is Noah, and this is about tsunami warning. Now, tsunamis
are we know that, but they are incredibly destructive when
they do happen. Two thousand and four tsunami that happened
in Indonesia that killed more than a quarter of a
million people. Two hundred and twenty eight thousand people died

(01:49:15):
in that. The tsunami that happened in Japan after the Fukushima,
you know, there was the earthquake and the nuclear fallout
and the tsunami that was over twenty thousand people. And
when America woke up to tsunami. So n nineteen forty six,
there was an earthquake up in Alaska. Alaska has the

(01:49:37):
Pacific Tectonic Plate pushing underneath the Pacific Tectonic Plate. That's
where the most earthquakes come from so A tsunami in
nineteen forty six came out of Alaska heading for Hawaii.
It was one hundred and thirty eight feet high, traveling
at the speed of a commercial jet airliner.

Speaker 6 (01:49:57):
There was no warning, so one hundred.

Speaker 14 (01:49:59):
And fifty people who happened to be just standing too
close to the beach that day drowned. And then there
was another one in nineteen sixty four on a US
soil and then we were like, okay, we need to
have a warning system.

Speaker 6 (01:50:10):
So we put this tsunami warning system in place.

Speaker 14 (01:50:14):
And there are all these sensors all over the Aleutian
Islands in Alaska, and there's a you know, an Alaskan
Earthquake Center because you know that's where the earthquakes.

Speaker 6 (01:50:23):
Come out of.

Speaker 14 (01:50:24):
Well, that's about to be underfunded. So these nine centers
that give us these early warnings, they could warn us
within five minutes. So those senses are going offline at
the end of the month because of Trump cuts and
National Weather Service employees. Those cuts are happening, and satellites
that are up in the you know, going around the

(01:50:46):
planet giving us meteorological information, those are being reduced, and
so the less warning systems we have. The more holes
there are in the information about the weather that's come out,
the more you put American lives at risk.

Speaker 6 (01:51:02):
So I think.

Speaker 14 (01:51:05):
Those things are going to impact us. Whether you live
in a blue or a red or a purple, you know,
part of the US. And people are going to wake
up because of those.

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
You have.

Speaker 14 (01:51:21):
I mean, I think in the midterms in twenty twenty six,
what's going to happen to people's health insurance cars at
the beginning of this year, if they truly do cut
you know, the Obamacare help that you know, twenty million
Americans rely on. That affects our wallets, and that is
the number one thing. You affect our wallet, you affect

(01:51:42):
our health, and both of these things do and I
think that wakes people up. And I think if we
also have messaging, and if the Democrats can really take
on board what Gavin is saying, and if they can
really change the messaging and really get you know, the
population at large to realize, you know, how does these

(01:52:03):
how climate change threatens them economically, how I switch to
renewabulls will help them, and how that is possible.

Speaker 6 (01:52:12):
That's the messaging, And I.

Speaker 14 (01:52:13):
Think I think Gavin is absolutely right, and I think
Bill Gates is right, and it's what I've been peddling
in for you know, the last decade. You've got to
tell people the good stuff because it gives them hope
and the bad stuff makes them feel helpless.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Well, put it another way, it's the planet stupid. And
then the waywoth eco journalists here to help us save
the planet while we still can't. Let me just add that,
while we still can't blind it was a pleasure to
speak with you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Today.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Is the first time we had a conversation, and I
don't think it will be the last, but I look
forward to our next dialogue.

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
Yeah, yeah, me too.

Speaker 16 (01:52:46):
Mo.

Speaker 6 (01:52:46):
Lovely to meet you. And you know, go planet.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Go planet. Will it have a great more?

Speaker 11 (01:52:54):
It's the planet stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
No, no, no, it's the planet stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
Next time only I'm a Markedson Show.

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The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Well, I got to tell you this has been another
wonderful experience for me. We had the breaking news of
the Jeffrey Epstein emails. We talked about how that's going
to influence the shutdown, reopening the government, how if the
Democrats are going to get anything going forward. Releasing those
emails Today probably does not inspire the Republicans to be

(01:53:29):
good faith partners. Not that they were beforehand, but you're
just giving them another reason for them to not go along.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
As far as we were.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Talking about with Blenda Wymouth saving the Obamacare subsidies, another
I would say roadblock to that. Given the news of today,
we have to also send out some thank you for
the support to the show. Got to tell you this show,
the Mark Thompson Show, and I started as a viewer,
as a watcher, and I've seen it grow, and it's

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Five dollars.

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Ronner give me this opportunity, Richard for another five dollars,
thank you. I almost didn't watch the show today because, frankly,
I've had enough of this political crap. Richard you mean both,
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We're screwed. Get used to it. Well, you gotta keep fighting.

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You know, some fights you have to fight even if
you lose. Luis five dollars, Nancy p Is eighty five,
as in Nancy Pelosi, I applaud her in not being
Biden or RBG Ruth ba Ginsburg and staying beyond her
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Thank you, Louise and pH Survivor ninety two, twenty dollars,
Thank you so much for that. Enjoying the civil and
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damning Epstein files. And I'm probably gonna pronounce this incorrectly,

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Nola Fidian No, yeah, okay, five dollars. Thank you so
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How do you like that.

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You have some great, great supporters of this show. It's
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they're informed. Is they're not passive. They're not just watching.
They're they're making sure that they're part of the discussion.
They're ready to be part of the discussion. You can't

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say that most places I used to work for a place,
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They weren't all that informed.

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And so if you like the show, support the show
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go check it out as well. No Tomorrow on The

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Mark Thompson Show, We've got some things coming up. It
is David Katz, a former federal prosecutor who will be
here to talk about all things legal. Another lawyer on
the show. It's double lawyer day Ryan Clarkson coming on
the show. He is an attorney who has led litigation
against big tech, including Google and Apple, he's been very

(01:57:15):
very outspoken about the need to regulate AI, especially among kids.
We'll talk about that. So Ryan Clarkson and David Katz
and Mormo Kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
It's going to be a great Thursday show and Kim
and Albert will be back to join us, right, Yeah,
cannot wait. The week is not over, so there's more fun,
more conversations, more news we got to get to and
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