Trump Creates Showdown to Mask the Truth: He’s Blocking Epstein Disclosure, not Congress 11/18/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Mark Thompson Show. I think I'm back. Maybe
Mark changed his mind. Maybe Mark said, you know, one
day was enough.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I was on vacation. I came back and.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Said, I don't want to do this anymore. But h
Mark to be serious. Mark had some tech issues. And
it's me mo' kelly filling in for Mark on this
brief occasion. As the world seemingly is coming apart at
the scenes. Let me just say this first and foremost,
there's a difference between a lie and also circumstances changing.

(00:34):
But we have to ascertain which is which. Something changed.
Something incredibly different is happening on Capitol Hill right now.
We know recently, over the course of the weekend, President
Trump decided decided, unilaterally, all by himself, seemingly against all
what we knew prior to now, that it would be

(00:56):
a good idea for the Republicans to get on board
and release all of the Epstein files, and if passed
in the House and Senate, that he would sign off
on that. And it's weird because he really didn't need
Congress's approval. He could just do it. But as far
as the public histrionics go, Trump is now all in

(01:17):
on releasing the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
So the question is, did.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
He lie previously as far as his pressure campaign about
not releasing the files, about going after Marjorie Taylor Green
or Nancy Mason whoever else might have been complicit my
word in releasing the files.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Did he lie then.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Or did something change? Let me give you a parallel
in comparison. Remember when Joe Biden said that he was
not going to pardon Hunter Biden. He's swore up and
down that he was not going to pardon Hunter Biden,
and then near the end of his term he changed
his mind and said, I'm pardoning Hunter Biden. Now, me personally,

(01:58):
I didn't agree with that. I didn't like that, but
it said to me that something must have changed, And
if you look at a big picture, a lot did change.
Joe Biden, when he first made that statement, thought that
he was going to be the Democratic nominee for president
and run for a second term. It didn't turn out
that way. New information. He probably thought that Kamala Harris,

(02:19):
asked his successor, would win the election in twenty twenty
four and then further insulate Hunter Biden against Maga foolishness.
Didn't turn out that way new information. Now, those on
the right would say Joe Biden lied.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think it was new information. The circumstances had changed.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
So I would use that as a jumping off point
to talking about what happened right now with Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Did he lie or did something change? Does he know something?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Does he have insider information? Check out this video with
Caitlin Collins, who has a similar question about why the
one hundred and eighty degree switched by Trump on this issue.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Wing where President Trump just got asked about that complete
one eighty that he's done on the discharge petition on
Capitol Hill calling for the release of all of the
Epstein files that are in the possession of the Justice Department.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
You her House Republicans the vote in favor of this
Epstein release builder and vote.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
On now tomorrow. I just want to be super claar.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
At your position.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Do you want to see that past the Senate? Would
you sign that bill that gets to your desk?

Speaker 6 (03:23):
We have nothing to do with Epstein and Democrats too,
all of his friends with Democrats. You look at this
red huff and you look at Larry Summers, Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
They went to his island all the.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Time, and many others or all Democrats. All I want
is I want for people to recognize a great job
that I've done.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
So I'm all for it now.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Thomas Massey, the Republican who's been leading the charge on
that discharge petition, responded to the President saying he'll sign
it by saying that he looks forward to attending the
signing ceremony at the White House. That's obviously tongue in cheek,
given the White House has been criticizing Thomas Mane See
the President called a brand Paul Junior, reference to another
Republican who has drawn the President's ire at times. Now,

(04:06):
the President points to those investigations that he has directed
his Attorney General to conduct into Democrats who were named
in those newly released Epstein emails. He said it was
only Democrats that have associations with Jeffrey Epstein. Of course,
there are photos and videos of the two of them together,
and he personally named Trump and those new emails that
also came out in recent days.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Does President Trump know something now?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's not i'll say, unforeseen or even surprising that the
President would try to blame all this Epstein hype on
the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
An alleged lie that only.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Democrats are connected to Jeffrey Epstein, which would then beg
the question, well, if only Democrats are connected to Jeffrey Epstein,
why would the Democrats want the Epstein documents released?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
And it makes you wonder.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
And I say this knowing full and well that Jeffrey
Epstein's brother gave a statement to TMZ recently saying that
he believes that these Epstein files are being scrubbed of Republicans. Now,
I don't know if that's true or not, and I
know that there is a history of the White House,
a Trump administration, the previous Trump administration, obfuscating, delaying, calling

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into question the authenticity of documents which are being released,
and conspiracy theories aside. It is a reasonable question to
have whether what we're going to receive at the end
of it all is going to be the complete and
unredacted Epstein files or some sort of political propaganda to

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best position the president in the light which is less incriminating.
I don't know if they can scrub any and all
references to Donald Trump, since he's mentioned some sixteen hundred times,
some ridiculous number. But it does call in the question
what change Why would President Trump be adamantly against the
release of this Democratic hoax? Or is he say Democrat

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oaks and then say okay, release them all. I want
everyone to be on board. Something has changed. Now, let's
go to Congress. Right now, Let's go to Capitol Hill
and see what. Let's say, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of
the House, has to stay on this.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Is he politicizing it or something else?

Speaker 8 (06:21):
Check this out, Jordan for doing such an extraordinary job
on all of this. For forty three long days, the
Democrats held this House in the entire country hostage. Finally,
with the lights back on, this body's returning to our
regular legislative session. We have a lot of work to do.
My colleagues on this side of the Chamber are ready
and eager to get back to our urgent legislative work

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that we promise the American people we would do. We've
got to continue lowering the cost of healthcare. We've got
to bring down prices for American families, and we've got
to finish the regular appropriations process, just to name a
few of those priorities. And I wish I could say
that our first order of business would be to get
to those urgent priorities, but of course we're here spending
time on the floor about something else. This is something

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we could have resolved last week when we brought a
unanimous consent to pass this discharge with the full support
of the body. But our friends over here who are
arguing today installed that they objected to it and they
wanted to have this exercise instead. And that's why we
say that this is a show vote. That's what this is.
They're making a show of it, and it really is

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a shame. We have some heroic women in the chamber today.
I met with many of them a while back. They're
in the gallery here. They have come forward, they have
shown their faces, they've used their names to share the
unspeakable tragedies that many of them were subjected to, some
of them when they were very young. And it is
a heroic service to the country. They are seeking justice,

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and the justice has been delayed for too long. The
Department of Justice many years ago should have brought these charges.
It took too long to do it. And now we're
in this process of making sure all the American people
get the information. But we have to do it in
the right way, the right way. After four years of
Democrat control under President Biden. They were not truthful with

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us about a lot of things. The Democrats insisted the
border was secure. We know it wasn't. They submitted, they
insisted that. Uh okay, I've.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Heard enough, Speaker Johnson.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I appreciate his attempts to deflect and deny and dismiss
and parse, blame and and somehow make this a political
issue in and of itself as opposed to being a
substantive issue regarding sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I understand why he's doing this.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
He's trying to blunt the impact of whatever is going
to come out. And if you if you want to
tune out and say that it's all political, you don't
know what to believe. That is the actual point of
it all. You would have the Speaker of the House
saying that the Democrats are delaying when he was the
one who could have had out of Leader Grijalva could

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become a member of Congress and sworn her in weeks ago.
Separate and distinct from the shutdown. Now, Mike Johnson, he's
great at presenting a thin veneer and facade of respectability.
That's what he's good at. He's actually better than at
it than Kevin McCarthy was. But if you actually follow
this story, if you actually know what has been going on,

(09:19):
if you know the stalling attempts and the attempts of
Mike Johnson Johnson to delay this very moment, this quote
unquote show vote, then you would not be fooled. But
that is Mike Johnson. So and we're going to get
into more of this later on at the top of
the second hour, David K. Johnson, who's going to talk
more about the Epstein files. So I'm going to save

(09:41):
some of that for him later on. But there is
more than one story happened to me right now. We
know what's happening on Capitol Hill with the Epstein files.
We know that Trump would committed a whole one point
eighty First he didn't want the files. Now he wants
the files. Something changed. And let me just say this
before I move on to the next subject. If you

(10:04):
are concerned about the authenticity or the veracity or the
specific nature of the Epstein documents, that they are legitimate,
that they've not been redacted or edited in some way,
I understand that, but there is some.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
There is some recourse here.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
We know that with the case is that anything that
is on file in the Justice Department. We know that
the lawyers, the attorneys for the victims, have that same information,
and once it's been allowed to be released, you will
have the lawyers almost running parallel to whatever the federal
government releases to make sure that it's accurate and it's

(10:46):
in this correct form, so that we will have some
degree of backstop against whatever may be given to us
to blunt the impact and full force of these files.
And also, let's not forget us these files have been
released by the federal government. We can also compare them
against the Epstein State records, so we will have an

(11:08):
opportunity to push back against anything which may seem not
quite right or suspect from this administration. So we should
prepare for it. But they're also contingencies for it. And
this is running parallel to the special guests. You have
Muhammed ben Salmon, who's going to be coming from Saudi Arabia,

(11:28):
the King, the crown Prince.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Oh he's here.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh is he in the White House already?

Speaker 9 (11:34):
Yeah? Yeah, here's the pomp and circumstance at the arrival.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yes, look at this for a moment, seeing.

Speaker 9 (11:53):
The horses, the military on horseback, and I got add.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Isn't NBS Muslim?

Speaker 10 (12:04):
Is it he?

Speaker 9 (12:05):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was under the impression that Donald Trump was concerned
and other MAGA were concerned about Zora Mundami because he
was Muslim as well, and he no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
Saudi Arabia pays cash most so that it makes it okay.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh okay. But but I thought that I was looking
on social media.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
And all the memes were that electing Mandami Mamdani was
going to lead to a second nine to eleven. I
was under the impression that nine to eleven was committed
in large part due to Saudi cooperation.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Did I have that wrong?

Speaker 11 (12:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I think you got that right, my friend. That's where
it's so, why would then Trump? Okay, never mind, it
just it's all too much for me. It's too much
for man. I don't understand it. I don't understand it. Again,
make hard.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Maybe something changed, Kim, Maybe something changed where some Muslims
from Saudi or Arabia or the Middle East more generally
they're okay, and others like Zora Mundani, who are actually
American citizens are not.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Question Mark. I am Ron Burgundy. I don't know. I don't.
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I'm looking for consistency maybe where it does not exist,
it's not Please.

Speaker 9 (13:18):
Does he let me just say, not only does he
welcome him to the White House, but Trump called Prince
Mohammed ben Solman a brilliant man. So he's there's a
lot of love being thrown around. As a matter of fact,
they are there, they are in the Oval Office and
they're having this big press conference.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'll look at that gold's.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Oil price.

Speaker 11 (13:41):
In the mid sixty Yeah.

Speaker 12 (13:42):
We end up creating a pick opportunities to you know, please,
America talks sereal opportunities. For example, we ask about them
AI and the chips, cyber Aba have a huge demand
of unique ute Powell and we're gonna spend in the
Shuter or fifty big a dollar consuming uh those uh
uh city conductors uh for all of these in Saudi and Saudiaba.

Speaker 10 (14:05):
I'm with the agreement that we're gonna have when.

Speaker 12 (14:07):
That's of America does not allow us to folks that
consuming callous and show them like if the million dollars
from Missus for America, I'm long term with, I'm sus
billion Donalds and the long term so so there's all
the free opportunities that fit all meet in Saudiurabia and
fit the.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
All business swategy.

Speaker 9 (14:27):
Is it appropriate, mister President, for your family to bet
you a business in Saudi Arabia wall You're president? Is
that a conflict of interest and your royal highs?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
The US Intelligence.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Concluded, the you orchestra is a rule order of a journalist.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Not a lot of families are furious, who are you with?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Who are you?

Speaker 10 (14:43):
Who are you? And who are you?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'm an ad newser with who, ABC.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
News, Fakeness, NBC thank is one of the one of
the worst in the business.

Speaker 10 (14:52):
But I'll add you worship.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
I have nothing to do with the family business.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
I have left and w I've devoted one hundred percent
of my energy. What my family does is fine. They
do business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia, actually,
because I'm sure they could do a lot, and anything
they've done has been very good. That's what we've done.
We've built a tremendous business for a long time.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I've been very successful.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
I decided to leave that success pee behind and make
America very successful.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
And I've made America more successful by far than.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
It ever was, and that it ever could have been.
No matter who was president, there would be nobody bringing
in twenty one trillion dollars that I can tell you
right now. As far as this gentleman is concerned, he's
done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial.
A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're
talking about, whether you like him or didn't like him.

(15:43):
Things happened, but he knew nothing about it. And they
me that you don't have to embarrass I guest by
asking a question like that.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
I understand a few.

Speaker 12 (15:54):
People both you know, families, and I've lived in an America,
but you know, we have to focus on reality, reality
based and based on documents that the Latin to use
Saudi people at that event for one main business is
to destroy this relation, to destroy the American Sadi relation.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's the purpose of mind living.

Speaker 12 (16:18):
So whatever buying that, that means they are helping.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
What's of the Latin purpose of destroying this relation. He
know that destroyed relation between America and.

Speaker 12 (16:26):
Saudi Adia is bad for extremism, it's bad for tourism,
and we.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Have to Tony, I'm gonna jump in there. I can
only take so much propaganda in one half an hour.
It's propaganda because we know for a fact that there
is a level of there was a level of involvement
by the Saudi Crown Prince with the murder of Jamal
Kushoki and the question by the ABC News reporter. I

(16:52):
was actually pleased with because it was one which was distinct,
clear and re iterated. Now we knew that we weren't
going to get a serious answer from this president, but
at least at the very minimum, you ask the question.
A lot of times I will see on social media
and elsewhere people will ask me It's like, why even
ask the president these questions when you know that he's

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either going to lie, deflect, or just not even address
the question at all. It's like the White House Press
Corps has the responsibility and duty to at the minimum
ask the question and get the President and the administration.
If it's Caroline Levitt on the record, that's what you do.
You can't control the answer, but you can control the

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question and the follow up. But clearly, if you can
use the Saudi Crown Prince as an example, something must
have changed. We sow we have Saudi Arabias are our
best friend. And when you have the President say that
his family never received any money from Saudi Arabia, I
distinctly remember his son in law, Jared Kushner, receiving two

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billion dollars from the first Trump administration. I'm old enough
to remember. So we know that there's this old saying.
Let me back up, there's this old saying. There are
no permanent friends, there are no permanent enemies.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
We have permanent interests.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
And the permanent interests in connection to Donald Trump is
money and power.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Those things have never changed.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
It is in his best financial interests to cozy up
to Saudi Arabia personally and politically. As far as the
people that he is enriching in the process of doing
business with Saudi Arabia, that interest is not going to
change now. But if you look at the fullness of

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Donald Trump, and I want to bring up this one
other subject real.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
Quick, the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
In regard to when I started the show, I was
talking about how something must have changed, is there must
be new information or something substantive must have happened in
the background for this one eighty.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
We talked about it with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
But if you.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Didn't know, this has always been the case with Donald Trump.
He did a one to eighty on his political views.
Remember his views on a rock war, his views on abortion.
He was a one time Democrat.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Now he's a.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
The creator of MAGA. So Donald Trump has never been
really tethered to any political ideology, with the exception of
money and power. This next video I'm getting ready to
show you, and I'm going to show you this before
we get to our guests at the bottom of the hour,
Jessica Denson, who's the founder of the Removal Coalition. I'm

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going to tell you about a rally which is coming
up on November twenty second in Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Before we get to Jessica, I.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Got to show you this video from Donald Trump in
two thousand and eight. If you didn't know any better,
you would think that it was a completely different person.
Because everything Donald Trump says about Hillary Clinton in two
thousand and eight is another one point eighty from everything
he said about the Clintons in the past week. It

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is phenomenal. Check this out.

Speaker 13 (20:14):
Far from being over. I think her history is far
from being over.

Speaker 14 (20:18):
I'd like to answer that question in another fifteen years
from now. I think she's going to go down, at
a minimum as a great senator. I think she is
a great wife to a president, and I think Bill
Clint was a great president. You know, you look at
the country then. The economy was doing great. Look at
what happened during the Clinton years. I mean, we had

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no war, the economy was doing great, everybody was happy.
A lot of people hated him because they were jealous
as hell. You know, people get jealous and they hate you.
People don't like him because they're jealous of But Bill
Clinton was a great president. I mean, I hope we
can be so lucky in terms of the economy and
in terms of other aspects.

Speaker 13 (21:00):
We weren't in wars with tonight.

Speaker 14 (21:01):
I'm not blaming Afghanistan, by the way, is probably a
place that we should be a rack.

Speaker 13 (21:07):
We shouldn't be. Bill Clinton was a great president.

Speaker 14 (21:09):
Hillary Clinton is a great woman and a good woman.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
You said of Hillary Clinton that she was quote pretty
badly abused during her presidential campaign.

Speaker 13 (21:19):
Why I say that.

Speaker 14 (21:20):
I thought that they roughed her up pretty good. I
think she's a wonderful woman. I think that she's a
little bit misunderstood.

Speaker 13 (21:26):
You know, Hillary is a.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
Very smart woman, very tough woman. That's fine, but she's
also a very nice person. And I know Hillary and
I know her husband very well.

Speaker 13 (21:35):
They're fine people. I thought, and you know, part of
that is a rough political battle. I thought she was
roughed up. I thought she and I'm not knocking the
other side.

Speaker 14 (21:45):
You know, you want to win a battle, so if
it gets a little bit nasty, it is politics, and
politics is a tough game. But I thought she was
perhaps unnecessarily roughed up. She took some pretty hard hits.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I could have that was ai.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I would have sworn that that was somehow a hostage video.
Given the Donald Trump that we see every single day
now and for him, here is Donald Trump's superpower in
the age of the internet. He is not tethered to
anything he has ever said at any time, and the

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Epstein investigation is a perfect examples of it. He can
be one against the release of the Democrat hoax Jeffrey
Epstein files being released on Friday and Saturday. He is
willing and ready and encourages all the files to be
released because they will only implicate Democrats.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
No question that if he really wanted the files released,
Why doesn't he just release them? He has He could
release them in the next five minutes.

Speaker 10 (22:55):
If he wanted to.

Speaker 9 (22:56):
Why do we even need to go through a House vote,
a Senate vote. We don't need to do any of that.
If he really wants transparency, and if he's really ready
to release the files, all he has to do is
say the word.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
He loves the poorly educated, and he trades on that.
That goes back to the whole Mike Johnson speaker. Johnson's
speech about how the Democrats aren't serious about this and
they're just grand standing and they didn't care about the
files for four years, while denying that the files in
the criminal cases were under seal and couldn't be released.

(23:28):
The facts do not matter, and that goes back to
Trump's superpower where he is not tethered to reality. He's
not tethered to anything he said yesterday. And if you
take just an informal poll on social media, it's like
all the bots and all the mega adherents have their
marching orders and they repeat the exact same damn things

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fact free. Even though Trump was against the files on
Friday and for them on Saturday, everyone in support of
the president will do the same one eighty. It doesn't
matter what was said before. It only matters what is
said right now. And even though he may have endorsed

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Marjorie Taylor Green before and supported Marjorie Taylor Green before,
and even though Marjorie Taylor Green, to her credit, has
not changed as far as her stance on the Epstein files,
it is still not enough to keep her out of
harm's way from MAGA when even though she hasn't changed,

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Trump changed. He campaigned on it. He said that if
he were elected, he was going to release them. The
only person who has changed has Trump. He's changed more
than twice on this issue. He campaigned on it, got
to an office and said we can't release them, or
I don't want them released, and now he's saying I
want them released. Marjorie Taylor Green on this issue has

(24:55):
not changed. But Trump is not tethered to any thing
he has ever said. Be it about Hillary Clinton in
two thousand and eight, be it about Marjorie Taylor Green
six months ago. Be it about the Jeffrey Epstein files
thirty six hours ago.

Speaker 9 (25:14):
Who was a candidate in one presidential election that was
damaged by being called a flip flopper, remember that, always
a flip flopper.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Flip flopper.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Oh, other than Mitt Romney, maybe that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I don't know, but Trump definitely a flip flopper.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, I know there were some things with Michael Ducacius
about flip flopping and also John Kerry, but I remember
I can't remember who specifically was most penalized for it.
But yes, yes he is not responsible as in Trump
for anything he says. And even the explanations may be preposterous, illogical,

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damn near impossible to rationalize.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
It does not matter.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
And when you have that superpower, then you can just
say anything you want, no matter what. But there is
someone who is working specifically to help change that.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And I'm going to tell you about.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
The Removal Coalition and also the rally which is coming
up on November twenty second in Washington, DC. And there's
no person better to do that. As we go on.

Speaker 10 (26:29):
The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Jessica Denson is going to join me right now on
the Mark Thompson Show and tell us exactly what is
going to be happening in Washington, DC on November twenty second,
the Removal Coalition and what we should expect Jessica a
pleasure to just see you and talk to you.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
How are you this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (26:47):
I'm doing well. Nice to meet you. O'Kelly and Devernment
never read before.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I'm glad we get to have this conversation now. I
am someone who admittedly is a cynic. I can be
somewhat critical of demons which may be heavy on symbolism,
might not have the substance to attach to it. Correct me,
Please disabuse me of that notion in this moment.

Speaker 11 (27:12):
This protest is to disabuse everyone of that notion because
we are doing something very, very different here. This is
distinct from no Kings, It's distinct from any of the
previous mass protests that you've seen in that we are
showing up with an explicit demand. We are showing up
to explicitly reclaim the power that is vested in we

(27:32):
the people, and demand that our law makers, who are
subservient to us, act to impeach and remove this illegal regime,
beginning with Donald J.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
Trump.

Speaker 11 (27:42):
So we're going to start on Thursday with what we
expect to be record breaking in person lobbying of Congress,
where we are going to go into the halls of
Congress peacefully the antithesis of what happened on January sixth,
led in a march by Representative Algreen, and we are
going to show up an mistakably in their faces, pleasantly

(28:04):
but unmistakably, with the demand that they take action to
remove this ludicrous administration from power.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I know you will have Democratic support, probably unanimous Democratic
support in that regret.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
No, really, no, wouldn't that be lovely? Wouldn't that be
lovely if we had unanimous democratic support, If we had
unanimous Democratic support, I don't think we'd have to do
this rally. That's okay.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
You'd have to name some names.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
You have to give me at least some reasons why
the Democrats seemingly are unanimous against Trump publicly, but you're
saying privately not so much.

Speaker 11 (28:40):
Privately, They whip their members against impeachment efforts, and they try,
they have tried up until recently, to punt this conversation
to the midterms, which is a fool's Errand if there
ever was one, we know that Donald Trump is doing
everything in his power and outside of his power to
try to ring them midterm election so that he wins

(29:01):
no matter what. And the House does not shift control
up until now. The last time an impeachment vote was
forced in this administration, the only time by Representative aw Green.
Over the summer, the Democratic leadership, Hakim Jeffries, Jamie Raskin,
Nancy Pelosi, all of the names that you expect to

(29:22):
be the leaders in that caucus, we're whipping their members
against voting for impeachment. They voted to table it. So
we have to start. I mean, we talk about moving Republicans,
but for God's sakes, they're welcoming Marjorie Taylor Green. If
you're welcoming maggot, if you're welcoming Marjorie Taylor Green, why
don't you start doing what's right within your own caucus

(29:42):
first and stop whipping against the actual actions that are
needed to hold this authoritarian president accountable.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
What I hear as.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Far as the conventional wisdom of politics, this is not
my belief, but this is what I hear from Democrats
who say that as a practical matter, we do not
have control of the House of Representatives where impeachment remains,
and we know that Speaker Johnson is never going to
bring articles impeachment to the floor. Why waste that political

(30:11):
capital for in a practical matter, something which is not
going to happen. You're not going to get the majority
support of the House, and you're not going to get
two thirds removal support in the Senate.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
So isn't this just an exercise in futility?

Speaker 11 (30:28):
Says who says? Who?

Speaker 5 (30:29):
I mean?

Speaker 11 (30:30):
What is politics anyway? What is it? What are we
all doing out here? Are we just sitting here to
be told by people who are who are spineless and
cowardly what can and cannot be done. I just refuse
to accept that construct of politics. I thought politics was
a game of persuasion and pressure and moving the needle.
And these people in Congress are supposedly supposed to be leaders.

(30:54):
They are elected to uphold their both to the Constitution
every single day of the week, not on day when
they have the votes. And I'm just first of all,
First of all, we only have to move a handful
in the House to get a majority vote to get
articles of impeachment out of the House. There's a lot
of misunderstanding about House rules and how the articles of
impeachment would begin. Any single member of Congress, any single

(31:19):
day of the week, even when the government was shut down,
could have filed an article of impeachment, and this is
a special privilege that any single House member has. They
can invoke Rule nine, which says that if an article
of impeachment is filed, they can force a vote within
two days on that article of impeachment. Any member doesn't
have to be in the majority, doesn't have to be

(31:40):
on a committee, anyone that is extremely powerful. Can you
imagine if the Democrats were united? You started on saying
you have the Democrats, you know, and I'm like, no,
we don't. Can you imagine if we had the Democrats united,
that entire caucus messaging to the world that we are
actually taking action against this regime, that leadership that people

(32:03):
are so desperate for, for that people were fed up
a week ago. When those eight senators caved on the shutdown,
that spine that people are desperate for, they would be
rallied behind. They would be lauded as heroes if they
started to take that. And then we use that momentum,
we use that narrative shift to then work on the

(32:24):
other side, to then work on the Republicans that we
have to move. Do we have to move what seventeen
members or something like that in the Senate Yeah, seventeen
mere mortals. Seventeen mere mortals are holding the future of
American American democracy hostage, and we have no agency to
do something about it. I just I refuse to act
from that premise and that construct.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
You make some great points, and I want to follow
up on that when you say the politics of persuasion
and also pressure, and I know that feeds into what
is happening this week leading into November twenty second, my
question is how much you're a how little do the
events on Capitol Hill, Woul Jeffrey Epstein right now either
help or hinder what you're trying to do.

Speaker 11 (33:08):
Oh my god, they help one hundred percent. First of all,
you see you're seeing the cracks within that so so
reliably loyal base of Donald Trump in the halls of
power in Congress. You're seeing those cracks already. I'm hearing
talk that we may even see a u nan in
this vote on the discharge petition that obviously works against him.

(33:31):
People are going to at the end of the day. Yes,
these people have acted out of extreme cowardice. God knows,
probably countless of them have been blackmailed by Donald Trump.
Remembers of the administration I mean, this is the roy
Combe playbook, right, probably something he's been doing for years.
But if their names, at the end of the day
are tied to what turns out to be the revelations

(33:53):
of a child pedophile, a child rapist, is who is
in the White House? Which has been such an issue
that Maggot in particular has has lauded against and been
champions of defending. You know, the innocent children who are
victims of sex crimes. Do you think that they want
to go down in history as have been having been
tied to that. I think this is perfect, perfect timing

(34:16):
for us, you know, the it's ripe. It's right, we
are ripe for removal right now.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I agree with everything you say. I'm cynical because I
would have thought the exact same thing after January sixth.
It's like, look, there were cracks in the Republican support.
You had Mitch McConnell out there saying, you know, and
it even Lindsey Graham offering their criticisms of the president
and also laying blame at his feet.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
And then we saw the future how he had turned out.

Speaker 11 (34:46):
And who failed us? Then? Who failed us? Then let's
get let's get real about this. Who failed us? Then
the Democratic administration failed us. Merrick Garland failed us. Those
who were on our own side, who were supposed to
be saving democracy were so scared of what it was
going to look like they had to get back to

(35:07):
quote unquote normal. Will Is this what quote unquote normal
looks like? For God's sakes? I mean, this is they
need to wake the hell up, I really think. And
this is a comparison that's been made that I think
is really apt. You know, people have talked about what
the Tea Party did to the Republicans, you know, a
decade ago or whatever it was, and they basically hijacked them,

(35:27):
and they were the inception of what has become Mega.
I really believe this is a moment when we have
to as pro democracy, whether we call ourselves Democrats or independents.
I'm a nonpartisan voter. I've been bringing cheerleader for the
Democrats up until this administration because I just can't stand
this spinelessness. But we need to those of us on

(35:48):
the pro democracy side, we really need to hijack the
Democratic Party and whip them into action.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
We have to do November.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Twenty second, remove the regime you had started talking about
some of the events and things which are leading up
to it. This week, let's talk more in earnest. Go ahead,
I stepped on you before. Tell me more about remove
the regime.

Speaker 11 (36:09):
You're good, You're good. Now we're going to kick off.
Oh my goodness, what us today? Tuesday, two days from now.
It's I'm so excited. First of all, we have this incredible,
incredible team behind the scenes making this happen from Flair,
from Remember Your Oath, from American Opposition fifty to fifty
one DC. I'm going to get in trouble because I'm
not going to be able to name all of our partners,

(36:30):
but we have such an incredible grassroots truly grassroots, no
National Indivisible or anything like that, backing us. We are
going to start off on Thursday morning, ten am, kickoff
rally from Flair headquarters outside of Union Station, and then
we are going to march in what, like I said,
what we expect to be record breaking numbers to Congress.

(36:50):
Guides will divide us into groups. We will go organized
into the different office buildings, can and Russell Longworth, Rayburn,
and we will deliver our very un ambiguous demands for
impeachment and removal. Then on Friday, we are going to
have a veterans rally hosted my jolly Goodjender of Remember
your Oath, with a ton of incredible veterans, several of them,

(37:11):
and candidates, all who are pro impeachment, all who are saying, listen, buddies,
if you don't do your job right now, we're coming
for your job and we are going to file impeachment
on day one when we get into when we get
to sworm in and take that oath.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I'm curious about the type of responses you might have
received from both Democratic and Republican members of Congress right now.
I know that spinelessness is not just limited to the Democrats.
I know that cowardice is something which has been associated
with Congress for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And I know that members of Congress.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Will run and avoid the public spectacle, They will avoid
the town halls, they will avoid the questions from media.
My question to you is, since they know that this
is coming, how do you know that they will be
there and not running home to their home districts.

Speaker 11 (37:58):
They might not be there. You know, we've actually done
this before. We almost broke a record back in September,
so we are not. We are veterans at this At
this point, it actually doesn't matter if they're there, they're
going to hear about it. We're going to put it
all over social media. They won't be able to avoid it,
whether they're there or not. We're going to get our
message across and we're going to get our message to
them and the media and with your help, the world.

(38:20):
And that's what we're doing on Saturday, Saturday, September Saturday,
November twenty second. We need the masses, especially my friends.
If you are in the DC region, if you are
in Baltimore, Philly, Richmond, anywhere within driving distance of DC,
please please spread the word. We're going to converge peacefully

(38:40):
on DC. We have a rally at iconic location at
the Lincoln Memorial at noon on Saturday, headlined by the
Dropkick Murphy's. They're coming in from their European tour straight
to us for this rally. Another incredible artist Earth to
Eve is performing. We've got speeches from Harry Dunn, Michael
and myself, Kat Abugazale, the candidate who is under federal

(39:06):
indictment for her activism in Chicago, John Pavlovitz, Cliff Cash,
who's my friend comedian who's been organizing with me a
number of us giving a rousing rally that we hope
reverberates across the whole world. With your help, if we
can converge the masses in DC on Saturday, we want

(39:27):
to wake up the next day and be having a
different conversation about what needs to be done.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
You put the all call out for people to come
to Washington, d C. But also we sold the QR code.
But I know that there are links that you can
give out as well for people who want to be
actively involved beyond the event, inclusive of the event, but
want to stay engaged and stay part of this movement.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
How can they go about doing that?

Speaker 11 (39:51):
Yeah, they can do that. Well, you have removed the
regime dot com up on the website. If you want
to support us financially, that would be amazing. This is
a very very heavy lift. Just before I got on
this show, I'm paying, like you know, ten thousand dollars
invoices off to get this done. So it's a very
very expensive. Not one of us is making a dime.
Everybody is donating our time and blood, sweat and tears

(40:15):
to pull this off. So you can help us there. Also,
you can go to Removal Coalition dot org, which is
the organization I founded to bring together these grassroots orgs
that are committed to impeachment and removal. My founding organization
is fourteenth Now, which I started back in January, and
you can that links from the Removal Coalition website and

(40:35):
if you want to sign up for our list, you
can do that there. Follow my work at remove the
Regime dot com, Removal Coalition on Instagram and Blue Sky
and my show Lights on which where is where you
will always get news of what we have going on.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Jessica, I have a bit of breaking news and just
want to let the audience know if they don't know
that the Epstein vote has passed almost unanimously.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
When the House wow.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Do you interpret that in any way that it was
on almost unanimous as opposed to a long party lines.
You said earlier that this would be something which is
helpful in your endeavors, But do you take anything away
from the nature of the vote.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
How it happened.

Speaker 11 (41:17):
I'm telling you there's there. You know, we've been looking
for that line for so long that people are not
willing to cross, and I know we've been one thing
after another has happened in the Donald Trump sphere where
we have thought this is it. People will not be
able to stand behind this, And I mean, we're witnessing
history right now. We're seeing a moment where they absolutely

(41:41):
cannot with it. Looks like, one exception, find themselves tied
to covering up what are the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein
and my god like very very likely Donald Trump. So
this is historic. I think this is we have to
seize on this moment, momentum and energy. We cannot let

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it be normalized that we have this man who is
an adjudicated sexual predator, who is clearly someone who was
Epstein's best friend, a convicted felon. We can no longer
allow that to be normalized, that this man is running
our country and supposedly the leader of the free world.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I agree with everything you said, but I also know
that this is a patriarchal society. I wonder as far
as your support, your ground swell of support, the people
who you've heard from most as you get ready to
go to Washington, DC at the end of this week,
are you hearing more from women than men, or.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Is it mostly men?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Give me a sense of the support and what they're
saying to you.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
You know what I love about our coalition, Mo, It
is so diverse. It is men, it is women, it
is LGBTQ, it is straight, it is old, it is young,
It is all across the spectrum the support that we have.
And I just feel like, you know, I'm a woman,
and I know there are certain of us in this

(43:10):
that feel like it is the female energy that has
to lead us out of this. That said, we have
some extraordinary male allies in this fight. So I really
feel like it's a broad coalition and women are being vindicated.
I will tell you that.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Jessica Jenson.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Before I let you go, I want you to see
and I want everyone to see the finalization of this
vote itself. And then before I let you go, I
want you one more time to let everyone know the
information of how they can get involved with it, getting
involved more.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Can you do that for me? Sure, we'll do all right,
Go ahead, Tony. On this vote, the.

Speaker 14 (43:51):
Years are four hundred and twenty seven, the nays are
one two thirds being in the affirmative.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
The rules are sys spended. The bill is passed and without.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Objection, and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
There you have it. Do we know, Kim, Let me
bring you in, Kim. Do we know who was the
one nay vote?

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (44:15):
What I wanted to know.

Speaker 8 (44:19):
Technically one no vote, five didn't vote six, So three
Democrats and two Republicans didn't vote.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Okay. But I want to know who that nay was.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I want to know who's going to be in that
sequal storm for the rest of the day. I'm I
wouldn't be surprised if we speak for Johnson.

Speaker 9 (44:38):
It actually was not. The person who was the lone
nay vote was Congressman Clay Higgins of Louisiana, who was
very much behind President Trump. He was the sole House
member to vote against this measure. So that's Clay Higgins
of Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Color me unsurprised.

Speaker 9 (44:55):
Who is apparently okay with the harm of children?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, look at that. It could not be any easier
for you.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You can be late to this party, but you still
got to show up to the party.

Speaker 10 (45:06):
I don't I.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Don't get it, but you know, Jessica, But I don't
want to step on our last moments of our conversation.
If you could please again let everyone know how they
can be part.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Of this movement.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
Well, what a moment to witness with you. I mean
that was incredible, That was really incredible. They can they
can go to remove the regime dot Com. Let's put
the nail in this coffin proverbially, of course, and get
this done. Remove the regime dot Com. All the details
are there. Please, my friends, this is your chance to
take your place in history, to reclaim your power, to

(45:41):
reject these false narratives that we don't have agency to
control the levers of government that are that are given
to us to control. Show up with us on November
twenty second. This is going to be a moment that,
with your help, changes the course of the future of
the free world. So we're looking forward. I'm so excited.

(46:03):
I'm so proud of everybody that's poured their heart and
soul into this and we're going to kick this off
in two days from now.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Jessica Denson, founder of the Removal Coalition, I salute you
on all that you were attempting to do. I wish
you nothing but success, And you know you're going to
have to come back on the Mark Thompson Show afterward
and let us know how everything turned out.

Speaker 11 (46:24):
I will nice to meet you, Mo Kelly. I'll have
to meet you again too.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Absolutely hopefing we can do it in firston. And thank you, Jessica,
have a great day.

Speaker 11 (46:31):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (46:35):

Speaker 1 (46:37):
And we have plenty to talk about given that vote
with David K. Johnson, who's going to join us at
the top of the hour. But Kim, I want to
talk to you right now about what we witnessed and.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Let me see if you agree with this.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I think that despite all the criminal cases previously to
Donald Trump, then candidate Donald Trump, I believe he is
more vulnerable right now, not necessarily in the criminal sense,
but in a Trump administration and legacy sense. I think
he's more vulnerable right now than ever before. Would you

(47:11):
agree or disagree with that?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
We talked earlier in the show about the possibility of
him having scrubbed the documents. So whatever is going to
be released is going to be okay now because this
name won't be implicated in anything wrong. His name might
be in there right, but we're not going to see
what we might have seen. What I wonder, Mo, is
if Trump had not given his stamp of go ahead

(47:38):
and let's release the files moment his one eighty as
you call it. Then I wonder if we would have
seen this type of vote today, would all of his
allies have voted against it? Is it only because he said,
all right, let's release the files that we got only
one descent?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I think it's the chicken and egg situation. We won't
know exactly who pushed whom. In other words, did the
Republicans go to Trump and say, you know what, we
can't hold this damn back any longer, and you may
want to get out in front of this and at
least seem as if you're on board. That's a possibility,

(48:20):
not necessarily a probability, but a possibility, because I don't
believe there's no there's any reason for Donald Trump to
think that the complete release of the EPSTEIN files in
any form or fashion helps him.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
It only harms him. Now he can try to quote
unquote scrub it.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
But as I said before, you know, there are some
other reference points. It almost like if when there's an
email being sent, there's a two and from so we
don't necessarily need to worry about whether all the emails
are in there, because we know the estate has the emails.
We don't necessarily need to worry about the Trump administration
trying to esthetize the criminal documents because we know the

(49:03):
lawyers and victims now have also been released from the
responsibility of not saying anything, not sharing anything, and they
can also share their court records as well and transcripts.
So for me, I'm more encouraged by the fact that
there's some redundancy here that Trump cannot control.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
That makes you feel a little bit more optimistic.

Speaker 9 (49:30):
It won't surprise me given the quick nature, the quick
turnaround of Trump saying you need to investigate the Democrats
that were buddies with Epstein right now, and then Pam
Bondi turning around saying, okay, all let's open investigations into
the Democrats, right It wouldn't surprise me if they would.

(49:53):
Because they did that, then there will be some statement saying,
you know, though we will we plan to release the
Epstein file, we can't do it right now because they're
now closed due to the ongoing investigations.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 9 (50:06):
Similarly, someone in the chat earlier said similarly to how
he was going to release his taxes, right, we're gonna
we're gonna release the taxes, and that never came out.
I mean, the only different journal but not officially.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
The only difference is if we want to compare it
to taxes. There wasn't this ground swell of support nationally.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Demanding the release of his taxes.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And I don't know if the delay option is a
viable option anymore. If you passed the House, it's going
to pass the Senate. Donald Trump is going to sign it.
And I know there's some legal wrangling going on if
it's a you know, if it's an ongoing investigation, whether
you can release certain documents or all documents. And yeah,

(50:54):
there there's some gamesmanship.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Going on here. We don't know how it's going to
play out.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
But I don't believe that Trump is going to be
able to get through this unscathed. I think he's going
to have to take a major hit on this, if
only because, and I look at this from an email standpoint,
there's going to be too many questions that he will
not be able to have answers to, and he's already
had minimal.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Support from non Republicans.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I think this is indicative of crumbling support with Republicans.
There's going to be one revelation which will not be
something that he'll be able to explain away, probably more
than one. I don't know how he gets out of this,
and I know he has a plan to get out
of it.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't know if he can miss all the arrows
headed this way.

Speaker 9 (51:42):
I don't think he can. I mean, look at the
stress and pressure it's causing. Already. He's always angry, but
even more angry with the last reporter that asked about
something Epstein related. He said, quiet Piggy, right, and now
today he lashed out at an ABC reporter. Well, CC
rider puts in ten. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

(52:04):
Cc Rider. She says, I suspect even if Democrats take
back the House and conduct an investigation into the Epstein file,
scrubbing cover up all subpoenis, the DOJFBI will be ignored
and not enforced, and we might need to wait until
twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
In fact, let's go to the quiet Piggy video just
as a reference point, just in case you haven't seen it.

Speaker 10 (52:36):
A lot of.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Pins, if anything. To your point, kim It says that
he may have a plan to get out of this.
But he is not comfortable with where he is regarding
the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
You know, whether they're scrubbing him or not.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Donald Trump is not acting as if he is at
a place where he's confident that he will be exonerated
in at least the court of public opinion regarding his
association with Jeffrey Epstein. Let me just put myself into this,
not directly, but let me just use myself as an example.
If someone came out to me and said, Moe, we're

(53:14):
going to bring out everything that you did in your twenties,
I can't possibly remember all the things which might be
out there which may put me in an embarrassing light
or might be put me in a compromised position. And
if I'm Donald Trump, knowing all the dirt that I've done,

(53:35):
all the things a question which I've done, all the
rooms that I've been in, all the women slash girls
I may have been with, I would not be confident
that every stone has been has been overturned to make
sure that I have been protected from any type of exposure.

(53:56):
I would not be confident in that he's with all
this being released.

Speaker 9 (54:02):
As someone said, he's like a cornered rat depressed Canadian
with twenty Thank you very much. Trump flipping on releasing
the files was a big red flag and telegraphing the
files have been tampered with that. Yeah, the flip shows
that we're not going to see what we expect that
we would see an undoctored Epstein file, Right.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Kim, there is so much to discuss, and I don't
know if there's anyone better to discuss it with than
a regular guest on The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
David K. Johnston, who is.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I would say a little bit cynical as I am
at the prospect of what the Trump administration might be
holding back or be able to hold back in this moment.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
So let's find out what he means. David K.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Johnston, Welcome back to the Mark Thompson Show. How about
you this afternoon. It good to be with you again.
So try It's hard to not be cynical right now.
I'm generally not cynical, but it is difficult and current
canitions not to be. You had a piece which you
just release saying in short, I'm paraphrasing, you'll tell us
more specifically that the Trump administration may be able to

(55:11):
avoid the worst of the Epstein revelations.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
What do you mean by.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
That, Well, there are two ways they can do this.
My column was about one of them at DC report.
Federal law makes it contraband to even look at a
picture of an adult having sex with a minor, and
so it's possible that the Justice Department may argue we

(55:37):
have either destroyed or we cannot turn over various images,
both video and stills because of this law, which I
quote in the piece with a link you can go
read it. And the important issue here is they're going
to try to find ways to minimize what gets released.

(56:00):
The other option for this, and it's not inconsistent with it,
is to say, well, we can't release this because the
law says that so long as there's an active criminal
investigation underway, we don't have to produce any of this evidence.
That's why Trump has called for investigating Bill Clinton and
Lawrence Summers, the former president of Harvard and former Treasury secretary.

(56:25):
And there is reason to think that there's stuff there
based on what Lawrence Larry Summers just did. Larry just
withdrew basically from public life and said he's embarrassed if
Larry Summers laid a hand on any underage girl who's
the law is eighteen. Let's grant a little slack. Somebody

(56:47):
can lie or appear to be older, sixteen or younger.
He should be absolutely ruined in public life forever and
have no forgiveness about this, especially because he could have,
if that's the case, come forward a long time ago
and said, do you realize what they're doing at the
Epstein properties?

Speaker 10 (57:07):
Now?

Speaker 5 (57:07):
We don't know that.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
I want to be very clear.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
It could be that he just knows.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
There's other things that will be embarrassing that none of
which are illegal or dubious. But the pressure is on
for Trump, and if they release everything that the witnesses
have said exists, the victims say exists, I don't see

(57:32):
any way out for Trump. And if they think, well,
we'll just say that there are no photographs or videotapes
of grown men engaged in sex acts with the twelve, thirteen,
fourteen year old girls, the problem with that is that
the litigants lawyers have seen the evidence. They will know

(57:53):
if they're lying, and will subtly young women, some of
whom have testified under oath that yes, I was photographed
or videotaped while I was being raped. And that's, by
the way, the important word to use here. I was
floored that The New York Times referred to Jeffrey Epstein
either yesterday or the day before as a disgraced financer.

(58:17):
Now he is a convicted child rapist. Let's not sugarcoat
this in any way. There's no indication he's any kind
of expert on finance. The notion that he is an expert,
I'm very confident will be shown by a complete disclosure
of the records to be nonsense. He was running an
extortion rackup. He would get men in compromising positions and

(58:40):
maybe some women for all we know. But he get
men in compromising positions have evidence of him, and then
suddenly some of these people would be turning over to
him tens of millions in one case, hundreds of millions
of dollars, plus that the most expensive house in Manhattan.
And you know, think about that, if you had twenty
billion dollars and could go to jail for the rest

(59:02):
of your life, how much would you pay Jeffrey Epstein
to protect you.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Professor Johnson, I always wonder, and you kind of touched
upon this. We have what and I referred to this
earlier in the show before you came on, that we
have kind of a backup or a backstop to the
lives or any type of changes by the Trump administration
because of the lawyers and also the victims. Could you
foresee a situation where, independent of what the government releases,

(59:30):
we would have then the lawyers coming forward with very
graphic depictions of what is in their possession.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Typically in a case as sprawling and massive as this,
there will be documents in other places. There will be
third parties and maybe fourth and fifth parties who have
various pieces of the pie. And so I won't be
the least bit surprised if, for example, we find out
that one of the young women snapped a cd ROM

(01:00:02):
because this was back in the era of cd ROMs,
and has a copy of it, and that there will
be impeachment of people who claim, oh no, that's everything.
The Justice Department is going to have a very tough
needle to thread if they aren't honest about what is
there and what is not. And the estate has the

(01:00:23):
right of the return of the evidence taken in the
when the FBI executed search warrants at the five properties,
owned by Jeffrey Epstein where FBI agents went. When you
conduct such a raid or execution of a search warrant,
you have to give the party a inventory of what

(01:00:43):
you took, and it has to be a complete enough
inventory that a reasonable person could figure out what it is.
And now they certainly could say, you know, one box
containing one hundred and forty two sleeved cd ROMs. But
if they want to withhold a particular and say this
is contraband, we can't give it to you, I would
argue that a I'm sorry, Members of Congress are not

(01:01:06):
the purian interests we're worried about protecting here from child pornography.
They're no different than the detectives and prosecutors who, in
order to do their jobs, would have to look at
the images. You can't prosecute someone if you haven't looked
at the image, if you're going to accuse them of
having contraband of adults and children in sex X. Secondly, well,

(01:01:33):
for the moment, Donald Trump has a personal law firm
called the US Department of Justice. Yes, if we get
out of this, and that's still an if, but if
we get out of this and restore democracy, that will
not always be true, and so people like Pam Bondi
who are feeling full of themselves right now in cash Betel,
they should be thinking about the future if things don't

(01:01:53):
work out just the way they want, because they'll be
very vulnerable. You know, we've seen one Navy admiral resign
and resign early for what's pretty clearly from other officers
who know this person and what they have put out,
because he felt the orders to murder people on the

(01:02:17):
boats were illegal. And officers, of course have no defense
by saying I was following orders. I'm sure the Justice
Department and lawyers for the military have legal documents saying, oh, no, no,
we can kill these people. Here's why we can kill them,
and here's our legal theory. If you think that's a

(01:02:37):
flimsy theory, you think it's about as substantial as wet
toilet paper, then don't follow the order and let them
fire you or choose to resign as a matter of principle,
But don't follow illegal orders. Never follow an illegal order,
especially if you're an officer, since you've only taken a
note of the Constitution not to follow the orders.

Speaker 10 (01:02:59):
Of the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
If you haven't taken it I'm me clean that up.
I'm sorry. Your oath is only to defend the Constitution.
You do not take the oath that grunts and sailors
take to also always follow the order of the president.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
The only thing I would disagree with you with is
although there may be some legal exposure for folks like
Pam Bondi and Cash Battel, if to pass this prologue,
then we know that President Trump will take care of
those people on some level. He's going to pardon fifteen
hundred January six people. He's going to pardon Cash matel
and Pam Bondi. I would have to imagine. Yeah, I

(01:03:36):
agree with you about that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I think that's one of the reasons that people like
Cash Hotel and Pam Bondi are feeling their oats. Greg Bavino, Yes,
and Trump almost certainly will issue large pardons as he's
done already. He's done pardons now for sexual predators, for
major money launders, for drug traffickers. You know, we have

(01:03:58):
to kill people and boats the foul and miles away
from the United States because we think they have drugs
on him. But oh, I'm going to pardon these major
drug dealers because this is has not anything to do
with protecting Americans from fentanyl and other drugs. This is
about demonstrating that you are invincible. That's what dictators have
to do. I can do anything, Trump says. I have

(01:04:20):
an article too, it says I can do anything I
want says nothing of the kind. But for him to dictate,
he has to take that position. He has to take
actions that are absolutely illegal and go, yeah, try and
do something about it. Well, that can happen. But even
if he's impeached and there's going to be a conviction,
he'll have a window to pardon people.

Speaker 10 (01:04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
What did you make of the recent Epstein vote in
the House four hundred and twenty seven Yes, one day
five abstensions. Is there any political jeopardy for any of
these votes one way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Or the other.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah, Well, Kelly, I think this is a very good
indication that people should pay close attention to. Donald Trump
is not strong.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
He is weak.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
He is only strong to the extent that we say, eh,
I don't care. I'm not going to take the trouble
to vote. I'm not going to go demonstrate whatever. It's
not part of my life. It's irrelevant. That's where he
gets his strength. You're seeing the MAGA movements split now,
and basically the issue that's splitting them is pedophiles protecting pedophiles.

(01:05:31):
And after all, it was Donald Trump who said I'm
going to release all the Epstein files, which makes his
current position pretty hard for even someone with a limited
education and critical thinking skills to square his argument. It's
all a hoax. That doesn't ring well, I think with
anybody with half a brain. And his efforts to say, well,
let's look at Bill Clinton and Larry Summers, well, hey,

(01:05:54):
let's go look at Bill Clinton and Larry Summers. If
you're in the Epstein materials and you're an adult and
you raped a child, we may not be able to
prosecute you, but there's absolutely no reason for you to
continue to have a respectable position in American society. Absolutely none.

(01:06:14):
And when Thomas Massey, Republican from Kentucky, who is MAGA
but not a Trumper, if that makes sense, it makes
seem a little hard he believes in the arguments of
MAGA on economics and immigration, but not Trump. He and
Rocanna have put together quite a formidable number. And if

(01:06:35):
you're a Republican, the least bit worried in the House
of Representatives that you might face a tough election in
twenty six and particularly a tough election over the Epstein files. Yeah,
once you know that there are two hundred and eighteen
votes a majority by vote of one to push the
discharge petition to make the files public, the smart move

(01:06:59):
would be to to release them. It's not going to
hurt you at that point, where staying the other side
that could hurt you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I know you can't and I can't predict what is
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
But if we were to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Try to look at the extremes of what could happen,
what could this Epstein revelation lead to? Are we talking
about a time where this president could actually be impeached
or remove or no.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Well, he certainly it would be absolutely florid if he
were impeached by the current Congress, given the Democrats or
the minority. I wouldn't exclude the possibility of it, though.
We don't know how bad this will get and what
will be out there. But if we get a significant
Democratic majority in the House, and you know, we've had

(01:07:51):
elections in the last twenty five years with a forty
vote swing in the House from one party to the
other I would expect the Democrats would go to work
on impeaching Trump and Bondye and others. Then the question
is the Senate and what would happen in the Senate.
The Senate's a much more stable body, six year terms,

(01:08:11):
only a third or up every two years, so the
volume of outcome and the volume of what are interpreted
to be anti Trump votes in twenty twenty six would
have a major impact on how the Senate would act.
Right now, there are fifty four fifty three Republican Senators
out of one hundred, so they have a clear majority,

(01:08:32):
and you need sixty seven to convict upon impeachment. And
by the way, I'm surprised how many people don't know this,
but from some other appearances I've made, there is no
appeal to the Supreme Court if you're convicted upon impeachment.
There is no appeal from impeachment. Just read your Constitution, folks.
It says sole power sol e. Sole power means no

(01:08:54):
one can question what's been done, and if you are impeached,
you are still subject to criminal prosecution. So a lot
of things are going to happen. But I think the
next big thing to look for is do they release
all of the files, And I'll be floored if they
do that. I'll be very surprised if they're candid about that.

(01:09:17):
And then if they do, it's going to take some time.
You're looking at hundreds of thousands of pages of documents.
Several journalists, mostly at rather minor places, have been going
through the twenty three thousand pages from the Epstein estate
what we call the Epstein files, our Department of Justice records,
but the Epstein estate records that were released, and even

(01:09:39):
there they found some really interesting things suggesting a serious
money laundering, corruption, serious other criminal activity. Now all of
it's past what's called the statute of limitations, you can't
prosecute for it anymore. The only major crime for which
there's no statute of limitations is murder.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
So if you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Know, grown men are shown in this to have been
raping children, they can't be prosecuted today for that. But
that doesn't mean we shouldn't know about what's going on,
and we also should wake up the public once we
get these records too. Jeffrey Epstein maybe the biggest, the
most aggressive man like this, but he is not unique,

(01:10:24):
He is not an anomaly. He's not a unicorn. We
know that there's a fair amount of this that goes
on in Europe. You may remember a few maybe ten
years ago now, that the former French Foreign minister, big
world banking figure, was arrested on a rape charge of
a maid in a Manhattan hotel when he was in

(01:10:45):
the US, and his defense was, well, hey, in France,
you know, like my friends would pay somebody to pretend
they're a maid, or they'd pay them aid to have
sex with me. So I just thought this was sort
of a routine French elite X game, and that should
tell you a lot about that. Jeffrey Epstein is not

(01:11:06):
some unusual character. He's unusual, but he's not unique.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
That actually leads me into my next question, because I
wonder whether there would be any type of international repercussions
we had mbs who was in the White House today?
Is there anything which would make President Trump toxic.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Enough where it could.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I'll say, uh, impact relationships at least in the Western world.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Well, if clear evidence is established that some of the
boats that we hit with weapons of war and killed
everyone were in fact murders, then Trump would be subject
to prosecution by the International Court of Justice. Now we
don't recognize that court in the Netherlands, but that's the

(01:11:54):
court that's issued a restaurants for bbing net In Yahoo,
for war crimes, and for Vladimir Putin. And you won't
see Putin go to any country where he's at risk
of being arrested. General Pinochet, who led the overthrow of
the Yende government in Chile more than fifty years ago,
he was subject to arrests and he was held for

(01:12:17):
a bit because of this, And so I yeah, there's
a distinct possibility Trump could become an international pariah who
cannot leave the United States. Gee, what a horrible thing
of fate to have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
You can't leave in States, Professor Johnston, there are so
many just David, okay, David, there are so many aspects
to this, And I'm not sure how desperate this president is.
And I don't know what that level of desperation may
mean for you and me. You mentioned, like, for example, Venezuela.

(01:12:53):
I don't know if it's only Venezuela. It could be
any number of issues going on in and around the
world that Trump may use to deflect or distract from
what's going on in the Epstein files. How concerned should
we be as citizens as lay people about the level
of desperation of Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Oh, Donald, whom I've known and covered for thirty seven
years and I've spent many, many, many hours with He
is in a panic mode. That's I think eminently clear.
And combine that with the clear cognitive decline that we're
seeing going on, as you can evidence from not just

(01:13:33):
his word salad, which has been around a while, but
his inability to walk a straight line, which is a
significant sign. And we're not talking about minor variations with
zigzag patterns when he walks. All of those say that
Donald's in an absolute panic. He's been posting things on
truth social that actually hurt him where he claims. For example,

(01:13:59):
he just claimed the other day that something was rigged
and it was during his administration that that rigging would
have occurred. He's not thinking clearly enough to separate his
four years from the rest of the time. We now
have an enormous flotilla of navy and marine combatants off

(01:14:19):
the coast of Venezuela. They're in international waters, to be sure.
The Gerald R. Ford, the world's biggest warship. The new
class of aircraft carriers has been brought back from the Mediterranean,
I believe now arrived in that area. We have a
military aircraft that can launch fighter planes, helicopters and landing

(01:14:42):
craft if they want to invade Venezuela. And what a
good way to deflect American attention to pull out old
American Let's go invade somebody in Latin America as a
trick to do this without any authors. By the way,
only under our constitution, Congress has the sole power to

(01:15:05):
declare war. Presidents can respond to threats. I don't see
shred of evidence, not a scentilla of evidence that there
is a military threat to us from Venezuela. But that
doesn't mean Trump won't claim there is. And then we
would find out very quickly if Congress has become an irrelevancy,

(01:15:27):
is that the Duma of America. The Duma is the
you know, make it appear. You have a parliament in
Russia that just does what the dictator says to do,
with minor exceptions to prove that they don't always do
what the dictator wants. But I'd be very very concerned
that we're going to have American boys, and with Pete

(01:15:48):
haiksf they're going to be all boys, not any women
being sent into combat in Venezuela, which don't forget, Venezuela
has the world's largest proven oil reserves. OPEK is part
of Venezuela's part of OPEC. Venezuela should be a wealthy country.

(01:16:11):
It's not, which tells you how corrupt it is. But
there's no there's no grounds to invade, and there's no
significant evidence by the way of drug trafficking from Venezuela.
That's not where the drugs are coming from. According to
the government's own data during the first and second Trump administration,
as well as every other administration, Venezuela is just not
a major player here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
I know your time with us is limited, David. I
want to make sure that we respect that. I want
to end our conversation with this question. We know that
there have been names like Elon Musk, and also I
think Peter Tiele correct me if I'm wrong. Others who
have been connected in Congressoman's Stacy Plaskett have been connected
on some level as far as communication with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Are we getting ready to have our.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Minds blown with the number of sitting members of Congress
who might have been connected to them on some level.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
M kelly, that's a really good question that has not
been asked very much, so I'm glad you brought that up.
The first important thing to recognize is that extortionists don't
compromise everybody. They want to show that they are invincible,
like dictators. They want to show they're very closely connected.

(01:17:30):
You mess with me, you might have to mess with
the President of the United States. So there are a
lot of people who Epstein has inserted himself into their
lives in some ways or drawn them into him in
some way, who haven't done anything wrong at all. And
we have to be very careful to draw that distinction,
and that distinction you're not going to see drawn very

(01:17:52):
well by Fox and The New York Post and Breitbart
and other quote unquote news organizations that are really proper
outlets and professional liars. That said, there's every reason to
think that a number of people are going to be
really damaged, including potentially some members of Congress, by what's

(01:18:15):
in the Justice Department's Epstein files. And there's going to
be so many threads to this, people are gonna have
hard time following them. Journals are gonna have hard time
following because there's so many threats. This is like a flood.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
You can look at the river and suddenly the river
breaks the banks and it's five miles wide, and it's
very hard to see all of that in context. And
that's exactly what we should expect here, and it will
take a little bit of time to suss things out,
even if they were to make an unbridled and full release.
And by the way, I wouldn't discount one of their possibility.

(01:18:53):
Somebody who's in the government may have surreptitiously copied some
documents out of concern about out the security of those records,
and so they could pop up so withholding records by
claiming they don't exist, or destroying records, among other things
on the grounds that it's contraband could be a very

(01:19:13):
risky strategy for the Trump administration, not legally because they're
in control, but politically. I just imagine the headlines if
it comes out that they said that, oh, those images
were all destroyed during the Joe Biden administration. That's why
we don't have We think there are some images of improprieties,

(01:19:37):
but they were destroyed during the Biden demonstration and then
somebody puts out now they were not. That would be
politically pretty devastating. Perhaps not with the most severe MAGA people,
not with people like Megan Kelly, the mother of a
fourteen year old girl, who thinks it's okay for grown
men to have sex with fifteen year old girls. She

(01:19:59):
thinks they're litt legal. As she put it, she called
him barely legal, not in any state in the country
as a fifteen year old legal for a grown adult
to have sex. So are a lot of things are
going to explode very soon, and it's going to be
difficult for people to follow them. Pay close attention to
what hasn't been released. Be careful to distinguish between people

(01:20:21):
who were simply around Jeffrey Epstein or photographed with him,
and people who were seriously involved with him, like Donald
who was on his plane the Lolita Express at least
seven times, and who There is sworn testimony from young
women who say I was raped by Donald Trump. One
of them, in fact, is testified under oath that she

(01:20:44):
was didn't want to be raped and Trump said to her.
She claims, Hey, you know, stop complaining. You should be
proud that Donald Trump is taking your virginity, not some
incompetent fourteen year old boy that knowing Donald that sounds
like Donald to me, Uh, it fits. But you also
have to be very careful about what sounds right and

(01:21:06):
what actually is right before lots lots about to come
out and we're going to be drenched in this stuff,
assuming there is some substantial amount of release, and maybe
there won't be. Maybe they'll say we can't do it
because of it's contraband and we're investigating Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
As I let you go, David K. Joss, I enjoy
my conversation with you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
I didn't expect to be able to have the opportunity
to speak with you today.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
I wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I'm almost fifty six, so I don't have the first
hand memories of Watergate. Watergate is always that, you know,
that point of comparison as far as the biggest scandal
in presidential history. And I know mag is going to say,
no matter what is released, it's a nothing burger. But you,
as a student of history, could we be on the

(01:21:54):
verge of the greatest political scandal?

Speaker 15 (01:21:57):
And I know I'm on the verge of hyperbole. Ever,
I don't think you're in the verginon I've heardly at all.
I mean I was around during Watergate already. When Watergate happened,
I was on the verge of winning my first national
Investiative Reporting award, and I actually, despite being in Lansing,
Michigan for most of it, managed to get a piece
of the two pieces of that story that made national headlines.

(01:22:20):
This is a much bigger scandal than Watergate. This is
much more important than Watergate. Richard Nixon was a man
who was corrupted by his own ego, as is Donald Trump.
But Richard Nixon, at the end of the day, was
a patriot in that he resigned rather than put the
country through the impeachment. He had served honorably as a

(01:22:43):
military officer in the Navy in World War Two. He
was an intellectual. You can hate Richard Nixon or love
Richard Nixon, but it's undeniable. The man was an actual intellectual.
He wrote serious books on serious topics, and he wrote
his own books. And you know, basically, he sought to undermine,
subvert the Constitution so he could retain his power. Donald

(01:23:06):
Trump is something entirely different here. He does not believe
in the balance of power in the Constitution, between the Congress,
the courts, and the president. He is completely an utterly corrupt,
not just corrupt about doing things to maintain his position
in the White House. He's been entirely corrupt his entire life.
He lies, he steals, he cheats, he revels in doing so,

(01:23:29):
and he has no regard for anyone. He just called
yet another woman, in this case a reporter for Bloomberg
flying with him on Air Force one, a piggy, quiet, piggy, quiet, piggy.
He has no respect for anyone. And then he literally
physically embraces the murderous dictator from Saudi Arabia, who our
government says ordered the murder and cutting up into pieces

(01:23:53):
of the Washington Post journalist Jamal Koshoji at.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
The Turkish not embassy but consulate of the Saudi government,
and the denial by NBS.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I don't know about this. Just like Donald well g
it was your closest security people who did this. You mean,
your own security people who you trust your life to
go off and kill people you don't know about. I mean,
it's just not credible at any level. So this is
a vastly bigger scandal. The difference we have, however, is
during Watergate, we had a lot of people who had

(01:24:29):
lived through the depression of World War two. They had
a much more, much deeper understanding of government, the limits
of government, how government can be abusive, and the importance
of government to your economic welfare and your liberties. Also,
we had institutions that are gone now. We had unions,
we had social justice movements, which they've just shriveled down

(01:24:52):
to virtual insignificance. And Watergate played out over a period
of two year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Years.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Took a long time for things to get attention, and
it wasn't just by the way the Washington Post. The
La Times was often ahead of the Washington Post. Some
of the stories people remember the Post Morpho actually appeared
in the La Times hours earlier and were essentially matched
and rewritten by the Post. The New York Times covered

(01:25:21):
itself in a lot of glory during this and the
But it took two years for Nixon to finally fall apart,
and that included when his vice president confessed to being
a felon and had to be replaced. So this has

(01:25:44):
taken this has moved actually a little quicker in the
second Trump term. How quickly it's going to move going forward.

Speaker 10 (01:25:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
But if they don't release substantial documents and there's a
lot of withholding it, that'll be the big story, why
are you not doing that? If they do release them,
it's going to be a flood of trying to go
through this, and it's going to require a lot of
different people to look at this in different places and
to draw those important distinctions between Jeffrey Epstein wanted to

(01:26:13):
appear to be powerful because he stood next to somebody
in a photograph and these are the people that I
compromised and got involved in child rape and then extorted.
But but Larry Summers has withdrawn that King Charles has
thrown his brother out of the royal family. Those scream,
this is not a hoax. This is a very serious matter.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
David K.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Johnston, Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist. You can check out
is latest piece at DC Report what may be held
back from the Epstein files. It is always an honor
and privileged to speak to you, David K.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Johnston. I hope to do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Thank you, see you next week or see you Mark
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Take care absolutely.

Speaker 10 (01:26:58):

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
I gotta tell you, I wasn't expecting to sit in
for Mark today, but I am overjoyed at the opportunity
to speak to people like Jessica Denson and also David K.
Johnston because the quality of the conversations, the caliber of
their intellect and also their knowledge cannot be beat. And

(01:27:21):
also will be speaking with Jefferson Graham on this Tech
Tuesday in just a moment, and Kim, I got to
come back to you. You may have interpreted that conversation
differently or got something out of it that I did
not get from David K.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Johnston. What was your takeaway?

Speaker 9 (01:27:37):
I think he's so knowledgeable. What I thought was interesting
at the end there with him talking about making the
juxtaposition between the quote democrat hoax and the serious things
that have happened with folks stepping away from you know,
public life, being excommunicated from the royal family, that that

(01:27:57):
doesn't bespeak a hoax, and that is something I haven't
heard articulated before. I mean, I knew that those things
had happened, but connecting them to the Trump's you know, hoax, hoax,
hoax mantra, I think is very telling.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
And I was trying to get to that with David K. Johnson,
as far as what would that mean as far as
world leaders, how they would respond to Trump if he
is further when I when I say not indicted, but
found to be involved on some level, hypothetically with Jeffrey Epstein,

(01:28:33):
what that might mean for US UK relationship, what that
may mean with our relationship with the EU, because the
rest of the world is taking you seriously and they
are trying to push as many people away who are
connected to it, and it might also include our president.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:28:52):
You don't know, because it seems like right now where
when he goes places, people are kind of throwing them
him trying to make these trade deals and whatever else.
Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's kind of the
way it seems on the international stage where he's getting
a lot of attention. Please keep supporting Ukraine, please, you know,
the EU flock into the White House as he as

(01:29:16):
he met with the Ukrainian leader. So it seems like
there's so much to need to get stuff from him
in his current position that people might be willing to
ignore the ugliness of what happened there. I don't know
if it will make him an international pariah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Yeah, we can only hope, but it's unlikely that's going
to happen. I agree with you, it's unlikely. But and
the point I was trying to make with David K.
Johnson is that we don't know what this is going
to ultimately turn into.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
We know what the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Response is going to be from Donald Trump and Republicans.
It's it's fake, it's a hoax, it's a nothing burger.
No matter what comes out, that's going to be the response.
But I don't know if that's going to be the
response from Congress. I don't know if that's going to
be the response from the general public. And it could
be that one email, that one picture, you know, if

(01:30:09):
it's available and legal to be shown. It could be
that one piece of evidence or documentation which changes the
complete perception of this. And it doesn't take a lot,
and you're talking about a tranche of tens of thousands
of documents. There's no telling what is going to be known.
And when someone tells you it's a hoax in advance

(01:30:29):
or it's a nothing burger in advance, you know there's
something there, because there's no way anyone can allege they
know with any degree of certainty what is in those
documents and to be able to assess them or characterize
them as a nothing burger or a hoax should tell
you they're concerned with good reason.

Speaker 9 (01:30:51):
I also thought it was interesting that David K. Johnson
says there may be the Trump administration or whoever the DOJ,
whoever releases the the you know, Epstein files, may be
held to account by the possibility that there are pieces
of all of this evidence in other hands.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Yes, and so if if.

Speaker 9 (01:31:14):
Not everything is released, someone would come forward, could come
forward and say, well, what about this, why didn't you
release this?

Speaker 10 (01:31:21):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:31:22):
So that gives me a little bit of hope.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Yeah, I'm optimistic, but I'm also cynical because there have
been plenty things over the past ten years related.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
To Donald Trump which have been released, which have been.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Factual, which have been actual, which have not been a hoax,
which have been authoritatively and authenticated, if you will, and
it's been denied and dismissed, and people sometimes just overlook
it because yes, I know, we are over we are
inundated and overwhelmed with so much information on a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Day to day basis. It makes it really.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Hard to keep up with all of it to follow
all the threads, as David said, and also have a
true understanding of level of involvement. And people always want
to send out the picture real or AI of Jeffrey
Epstein and so and so and people. And there's a
real point to be made that just because you are

(01:32:19):
in a picture with someone, it does not mean that
you're actually associated or involved with that person. Powerful people, no,
powerful people. Famous people take pictures with famous people. I've
taken all sorts of pictures with famous people. I couldn't
tell you what goes on in their bedroom. I can't
tell you what goes on in their boardroom, or the

(01:32:39):
business interests, or the or the contracts they're involved in.
Like you know, I've taken a picture with Tucker Carlson.
Doesn't mean I endorse anything that Tucker Carlson does. You know,
I have all sorts of people. Have a picture with
Bill Cosby. I can't tell you that I knew what
was going on in his bedroom or what he was
doing with women, you know. So it's a great point.

(01:33:01):
We cannot necessarily assume association or corrupt intent just by
the mere presence true.

Speaker 9 (01:33:08):
But I think in Trump and Epstein's case, we know
that they're best friends. They were best friends and they weren't.
It wasn't just a picture, right, It wasn't just a
one time I you know, I met you at a
party once. They were not acquaintances, they were bestie's.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Yeah, well maybe we'll find out more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Go ahead, Kim, you very.

Speaker 9 (01:33:28):
Pops in a cornered rat fights back twice as hard.
We'll all see Trump flex when he feels incoming. Global
leaders are probably a bit panic as Trump unravels over
the Epstein related material.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
And Kim, before we get to Jefferson Graham, who's getting
ready to join us. Le's go over some of the
folks who are continuing to support the program and what
they feel about this moment.

Speaker 9 (01:33:51):
We've got Richard Delamator with a couple says, Mo, the
new AI Epstein files. Has the ink dried yet?

Speaker 10 (01:33:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
The AI Epstein files.

Speaker 9 (01:34:00):
Right, Last angry Manny, and thank you, Richard Delavator, Last
angry Manny with a couple, Kim, you want on the
record how everyone voted. When I say that was from
when I said, uh, why doesn't Trump just release the
records right now?

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (01:34:16):
Yeah, thank you, Last angry Manny, depressed Canadian with the
twenty Trump flipping on the releasing of the files is
a big red flag and telegraphing the files have been
tampered with. So thank you for all the contributions to
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(01:34:39):
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(01:35:03):
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(01:35:25):
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(01:35:45):
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(01:36:08):
are really fun. So I do hope you're able to
join us at the Holiday Hodown throw Down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Quick question, Now do I wear like a ten gallon
hat and some cowboy boots?

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I mean, I know how to square dance, and.

Speaker 9 (01:36:22):
I said, I think you're something. A little festive is
all you need. You can ditch the boots and the hat.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
We're all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
I think you'll find me on December first at the
Holiday Hoown.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
I'm pretty confident I'll be there. You know I wanted
to mention.

Speaker 9 (01:36:38):
I don't know if we're going to get a whole
news cast in today, but I did want to mention
another piece of breaking news before we get to Jefferson Graham,
and that is that a federal judge is ruling against
the new congressional maps in Texas for the twenty twenty
six mid term elections. All this business in California against Texas,

(01:37:00):
and a judge says, well, maybe Texas can't do this
after all, they're directing this judge is directing the state
of Texas to revert back to its previous congressional districts.
It is, as they say, a setback for the state
and Republicans there after the big fight to revise the
district maps. Remember when the Democrats checked out and left

(01:37:23):
and yeah, big to do. So we'll see how this
plays out. I'm sure it's not the end of the
legal road, but at this point Texas is running into
some problems with just O paying doing new district maps.
The judge says, Nope, we don't want that, can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
The plot continues to thicken, and we will continue to
watch that story.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Right now, let's talk a little bit of Tech.

Speaker 10 (01:37:49):

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
On This Tech Tuesday with Jefferson Graham. Jefferson is great
to talk to you again. I didn't know I would
be talking to you again, but I'm glad that I.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Yeah, you just found out this morning, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
No, I found out like fifteen minutes ago.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
Fifteen minutes ago ago.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
Mark unfortunately could not be here, but I'm glad at
the opportunity to talk all things tech with you once again.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
How are you, my friend?

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
I'm good. It's good to see again. I have to
send my regrets to the hoedown. I will be in
Japan on that day, but if you want to move
it to the day before, I'll still be here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Well that's going to be up to Kim and Mark.
I have no power in that regard.

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
Okay, So I've got a laundry list of things here
for you. I want to start with last week we
were talking about cutting the cord. We were talking about
YouTube streaming TV as sort of the alternative to cable.
They ended up making their deal with Disney and the
two things that really stuck out at me. First of all,

(01:38:51):
I wasn't aware of this, but if you look at
the the number one cable. The number the top five
cable operators is now at number four, even though it's
not a cable operator, but pay TV, it's Charter, and
it's Comcast, and it's believe it or not. YouTube is

(01:39:12):
right up there. So it's really grown fast from when
I was paying thirty five dollars a month for it
and it's now eighty five dollars a month. The fight
with Disney was that they have to pay these humongous
fees for ESPN another sporting networks right carriage fees. So
they wanted the right to be able to offer a

(01:39:33):
deal to subscribers which would be like somebody like me,
which was that you could get all the stuff without
the sports package and not have to pay the sports tax,
which I think is brilliant. I doubt that I still
would get YouTube TV because I'm guessing going to be
fifty dollars instead of eighty five dollars. But I think
that's great for consumers because there are people who just

(01:39:55):
do not want to pay for the sports.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
It's interesting I was the exact opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
The reason why it took so long to cut the
cord I had DirecTV full disclosure was that I wanted
to be able to get live sports.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
When I was cutting the court, it was in the
infancy of this evolution of linear television media, and so
I had myself going to bars just to watch the
Laker game, for example.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
And then when you had I have Sling.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Now, when you had Sling and others starting to get
the ESPNS and the Fox Sports, it made it very
easy for me to cut the cord. But we've seen
in the intervening years that ESPN as a cable channel
is very expensive and it's not the draw that it
once was. It's expensive for the provider, which has passed

(01:40:45):
on to the subscriber, but it doesn't have the eyeballs
that it used to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
And I wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Where this industry is going to go a big picture
when it comes to live sports. I don't know that
ESPN is going to be the leader in ten or
five fifteen years, given what we've seen lately.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
No, it can't be NFL dot com, MLB dot Com.
The people with the rights, they're they're going to be
the leader. Sunday Ticket where let's you see all the
football games. That's like two hundred and eighty five dollars
a season, woof, Right, But how much would it cost
you to go to the bar every Sunday?

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Right, Well, if you take out the cost of my drinks,
uh free?

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Yeah yeah, And that's what a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
It's not just me, A lot of people will do
that because they can go to a bar and see
every football game and not pay that exorbitant tax. If
you will on watching Sunday ticket or the NFL Red Zone,
which I enjoy, but it's expensive if you're just going
to get it as a standalone option.

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
If they also have big, beautiful TVs, probably bigger than
you own, and you get a camaraderie of being with
all the people are that feel like you and screen
and are rooting for the same team that you're rooting.
So it's a fun experience. The people that are hurt
the most in cutting the cords are the sports fans
because it's so complicated. What do you do, Like, just

(01:42:07):
in my research, if you get CBS, NBC and Fox, right,
those are the three you could see all the football.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Games, right, you can if you know how to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
If you know how to do it, yeah, let's talk
about how to do it. Well, you get your antenna,
you get the antenna. I got some questions last week
about this MOHU antenna that I like for fifty dollars,
and you just it's just like a piece of paper
that you tape to the window and it gives you
a reception, and then it gives you all these other
channels as well. So I counted them up the other

(01:42:40):
it's like sixty channels, mostly old reruns. Mostly where do
old TV shows go to die? They go to the
digital channels that are being shown through the antenna. Through
to the antenna, if you want to see Cheers, I
mean didn't see that long ago, but if you want
to see shows like Cheers, Ted Dance and Second Show Becker,

(01:43:01):
you'll find that there wings things like that. So a
lot of rerun channels and then of course a lot
of Westerns you go even older, and a lot of PBS.
So you do get a lot more for your money.
It's a one time charge fifty bucks and you you
could watch your hearts content, no.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
But you also get to see the main channels I'm
talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
And if you know you have a digital antenna two
point one four point one seven point one, that's an
HD for free.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
And I was a fool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
I had Direct TV and paying for HD when I
could have had it for free.

Speaker 5 (01:43:37):
Not only that, you get a better picture quality through
the antenna than you do with cable because you're going
direct to the television as opposed to going through this
awful cable box that I don't know about you, but
I never wanted. And then you have two remotes instead
of one remote. Everything's more complicated with the antenna, it's
much easier. By the way, By the way, I just

(01:43:58):
mentioned Black Friday sales start next week. Actually, the Amazon
Black Friday stale starts on Thursday. Now, since we're talking
about TVs, I was looking them up this morning. Two
hundred and eighty dollars for a fifty inch Samsung television.
That's amazing, and that's before the sale even started. So
TVs are going to be heavily discounted. I don't know

(01:44:20):
how much lower they can go, but though are going
to be some great TV deals next week.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Tell me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
I think part of the reason why TV have been
so discounted is because there are people like me. Even
though I have TVs, I watch most of my TV
on my computer screen, on my tablet or some other device,
as opposed to a conventional TV, where all my linear
TV I use Sling.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
As I said, I just put it on my computer.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I have a huge monitor and I watch it via
the app, as opposed to having the conventional television screen
which is limited in one place. I can take my
TV wherever I go. And maybe that is somehow connected
to the discounting of physical TVs as we've seen.

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
Yeah, I don't think so, but I'm with you on
the hotel room. So when you go to the hotel room,
they now want you to sign into your streaming provider,
and you're supposed to remember your password before you get there,
and that's the and then you just say, forget it.
I'll just watch on my computer. I think the reason
they're discounted is that people don't want fifty inch TVs.

(01:45:27):
They don't want thirty two inch TVs. They want eighty,
they want ninety, they want one hundred. And that's where
the money is. And so they're moving out these old
ones that just didn't go anywhere. But with the big ones,
I mean you still walk into Costco, walk into the
big box stories, you're looking at thousands, thousand plus dollars

(01:45:49):
for some of those big TVs, and so obviously a
lot of people are making money on that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
I'm not as young as I used to be. I know,
my I.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
Really because I'm not either.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
No, it just it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Seems like everything, well, damn getting older. I can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
I've noticed that my eyesight is not as good as
it used to be. Youet these four K TVs?

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
Are we as the consumer really getting as much out
of these bigger and brighter and clearer TVs? I mean,
is there a point where it's not going to make
any difference to us as a consumer.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
We're not going to see the added value.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
I think the bigger the better. I bought what I
get a seventy two inch or something like that a
few years ago, and the minute I got home it
was like, why didn't I get eighty? I had room
for adi. I'd like to have one hundred. I'd like
to have as big as possible. One of the great
thrills every January is going to the It's not called
that anymore, the Consumer Electronics Show now just called CS.

(01:46:43):
And the big thing there is these giant, massive TVs
that are just so gorgeous and just knock you out
and one day maybe I'll have a wall of TVs
like they have at the CES where they put them
all together, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
And yeah, I like being able to mention the apps,
like I like to be able to cast to any
of the TVs where you know, I don't know exactly
what channels on in a linear sense, but I can
go to the app and just cast it right onto
my screen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Do you find yourself doing that?

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
I don't really need to. I'm very happy with with
what I've got on the TV, and I don't watch
I pretty much just watch YouTube, so that's pretty much.
I like the little clips and the comedy and the music.
I watched something on Netflix last week, So I don't
have a lot. I probably don't. I don't have a

(01:47:40):
lot in my phone that I need to cast, but
certainly at the hotel room with getting the password, that's
a great thing. What are you casting? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
It could be anything like For example, it could be
a YouTube video that I see and I'm walking around
the house and I was like, I would rather see
this on a larger screen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
It could be watching the Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Thompson Show and and I'm making breakfast and I maybe
watch you on my desktop computer, and then it's easier
to just go and cast it to my screen instead
of opening the YouTube app on my TV.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I'm lazy like that.

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
Okay, well, I turn on the TV, I click on
the YouTube icon and there it is. So it's not
that difficult for me. But I respect what you're doing.
I think that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Here's something else I would want you to consider.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
You say, you may or people may go to a
hotel room and then they'll sign in. I don't like
giving up my password for any reason, and also trying
to remember to sign out upon leaving.

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
It's terrible. It's terrible. And you know, actually I spoke
to a group of hotel executives recently and I was
giving them a lot of grief for things just like that.
And they told me that the number one request they
get is people want to go to the room and
binge their Netflix, and they had to come up with
a way to make it possible for them. I said, okay, fine,

(01:48:58):
you'll text me when i'll the room. You'll say is
there anything we can do? We look forward to seeing you.
You need to also say, don't forget to bring your
password with you if you want to watch Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
And I look, there are ways that you can remember.
I'm a Google adherent, so I'm passwords dot Google dot com.
I can find all my passwords, so that isn't necessarily
an obstacle for me, but it's an obstacle for most people.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I can't remember half the passwords. In fact, I can't
remember any of the passwords for the most part.

Speaker 5 (01:49:26):
Yeah. I have a password manager called dash Lane, which
is great, except that sometimes they don't know that I've
updated the password. And that's where I get into trouble,
particularly in the hotel room and then trying to get
Netflix or whatever and just saying, eh, forget it. I'll
open up the laptop. I've got sixteen inch screen. I
put it right in front of my face watching in

(01:49:48):
bed hotel room. It looks fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Jefferson Graham, we're coming down to the end of this segment,
also the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
But I know there's more you want to be able
to impart to us as we navigate this world of tech.
What's next?

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Just Black Friday starts next week. It sounds like everything
is junk and it's a closeout sale.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
If there's something you want, it will be discounted. Probably
every company that you deal with, whether it be Amazon,
Best Buy, Walmart, a software provider, they're all having Black
Friday sales. Think long and hard about what you may
want or need, and then shop accordingly because you'll probably
save some money. If you want an Amazon device, everything

(01:50:32):
is half off. So if you need an Echo speaker,
if you need a fire TV stick, if you need
a ring doorbell, they're always historically fifty percent off.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
I always wonder about the evolution of these shopping holidays.
There used to be this clear delineation between Black Friday
and Cyber Monday, but now it's kind of all thrown together,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Is it not?

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
It's all the same. I will say every year, I say, oh,
come on, nobody really pays any attention to this. Ten
billion dollars worth of stuff was sold on Black Friday
online last year, thirteen plus billion dollars was sold on
Monday Cyber Monday. Both of them were all time records.
So people pay attention.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
No, they pay, They definitely pay. Jessin Graham outside of
the TV before I let you go, is there something
that you're looking for you this weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
On photo walks which you could see on Script's News
Sunday morning at ten am Eastern Time, and with replays
on YouTube. I'm going to the twenty most Instagram landmarks
across the United States, from New York to Monument Valley,
and I think it's a lot of fun. It's a
fun episode.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Let me guess, what's the place in LA with the
lamp posts?

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
Is that one of them? That would be Loackma Lachma? Yeah,
the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Is it on the list?

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
Is not on the list? If you're you're going to
do LA. There's this other thing that's kind of people
get really big on. It's a long sign and they're
really big on it. Can Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Yeah, don't give it away, all right, Jefferson Graham, You know,
I did not expect to be able to talk to
you today with a wonderful conversation. I can nerd out
and talk all things tick with you all day long.
Hopefully we get to do it again sometime in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
Hopefully. Thank you, Mom.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Have a great day The Mark Thompson Show. Kim, I
had way too much fun today, Way too much fun, Tony,
I had way too much fun today.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
I blame both of you.

Speaker 9 (01:52:42):
I blame you. I just have to thank you for
filling in at the drop of a hat. Thanks Tony
for all the stuff and all the pictures and all.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
The videos to break today.

Speaker 9 (01:52:53):
Yeah, what an amazing moment for you to just kind
of slide in and go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
You're amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
I said last Friday, I said, if if you need me,
I didn't know if it's Tuesday.

Speaker 9 (01:53:04):
It could be anytime. You just will keep you on
your toes. Yeah, yeah, thank you for coming in. What
a nice surprise to have you today. Hopefully everything's back
together with Mark's electricity at his house, but what a
nice thing to be able to turn to you in
an emergency and have you just take over and do

(01:53:24):
such a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Appreciate you, Mo, Appreciate you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
All those listening and watching, thank you so much for
supporting me and the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Mark will be back tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Fingers crossed, and then hey, what's coming up on a
show tomorrow?

Speaker 9 (01:53:39):
John Rothman will be on the show tomorrow and hopefully
Mark Thompson Show we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Stay tuned, Hi,

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