Trump’s Ruthless Food-Stamp Cuts Trigger Legal Fireworks in State After State 11/3/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And the welcome all to another week as America comes apart.
It's great to be with you for sliding right into
the holidays. You know, after Halloween?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
What is it, Kim?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
You go right for Thanksgiving? Is that what you do?
Or you go right for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Thanksgiving? Thanks?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Thanksgiving. I put all the
MAGA people on one side of the table and I
put all the degenerated liberals on the other side of
the table. Just we just we just get it on,
you know what I mean. It's a great one. So
it's a really great time.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
How are you? Thanks for the great conversation.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know where i'd put Tony. I don't know
what side. We don't really ask about political loyalties. I
know he does a great job and I love having
him on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And Tony is here.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, so uh today, I've got a PULLETR Prize winner,
Michael Hiltzika, joining us in When does Michael join me?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think it hour.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
And I've got a guy who should win all kinds
of accolades and prizes. That is the brilliant political analyst
from iHeartMedia, our former colleague at KGO. Yes, I'm talking
about Gary Datrich, who joins his bottom of this hour.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
And I've just.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Received news that I guess the SNAP benefits will be
distributed from the emergency fund. That's what Kim has told me. Kim,
who watches such things breaking developments, Isn't that right, Kim?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
That is correct?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
And beyond that, I also got news and we'll follow
up on that obviously, but I just wanted to kind
of quickly mention it. I wanted to also note that
Martha Quinn has been what inducted, I guess is the
word into the broad casting it's the Radio Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's not all right, well yeah, okay, just really bothers you,
huh it.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well, because she's a TV personality. As a radio guy
started in radio, I went into TV. I would better
put her as in the broadcasting Hall of Fame. I
love Martha Quinn. She was MTV but you know she
was there one of the first five MTV vjys. Do

(02:28):
you remember I do I remember Martha Quinn? Yeah, nineteen
eighty one MTV one on the air.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
But after she did her whole MTV VJ thing. Yeah,
then she did this syndicated weekend radio show thing.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Nobody knew about that, I know, but it was she did.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
It for a lot longer than she was a VJ.
I think, even though she's more well known for her
MTV stint.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Her cultural relevance was as a VJ. I mean, you
want to put, yeah, Shadow Stevens into the Radio Hall
of Fame. He deserves to be in the radio Hall
of Fame. I mean, he created branding and was a
brilliant radio personality. He changed the face of Los Angeles radio,

(03:14):
and he had an enduring imprint on radio through the decades.
And by the way, it is Shadow Stevens' birthday today
and he is the voice of this show. But anyway,
Shadow is a clear Radio Hall of Fame, Broadcast Hall
of Fame inductee, right, I mean, there you wouldn't you know?

(03:36):
He's a first ballot winner. Yeah, Martha Quinn Radio Hall
of Fame. I'm sorry, I get her relevance culturally, but
it's from MTV. And I know everyone is saying, why
do you care, Mark, and why are you wasting our
time with this? And that's a reasonable thing to say.
I really understand. Oftentimes, when I'm halfway through something, I

(03:59):
go to myself, I say it, Why are you talking
about this? I will tell you that Martha Quinn and
Mark Thompson have history, really, yes, and no, it's not
romantic history, Kim. Everything with you has to be about

(04:20):
sex or romance. It's not about that, you know. It
is about the fact that I was program director on
the college radio station and I gave her a radio show. Yes,
and do you think when she was inducted into the

(04:43):
Radio Hall of Fame, do you think Martha Quinn deserving of,
as I said, some kind of recognition for cultural relevance
and all the rest. But do you think my name
was mentioned? Do you do you think she even mentioned
the primordial ooze of her career started with my radio station.
Why that she got an air shift on because of

(05:06):
my generosity I saw in her, because of my terrific
broadcast acumen.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I saw a star. Why I I.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
All I'm trying to say is congratulations, A long way
of saying.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
As Jim shield says, Martha owes everything to Mark.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
She do, thank you. Jim Shields gets it. Jim Shields
gets it all right. That's the story on on Martha Quinn.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Thomson.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Look at look at that cute Martha Quinn picture. I
love it, Tony. That is you are Tony is just money. Gosh,
you are good, really really good. Now I will quickly
pivot to a much more exciting celebration. Our President Donald

(05:59):
Trump does nothing better than throwing lavish parties for those
who are insiders, either because of their political loyalty or
because they've paid their way in, which is really the
very best way to get into one of his lavish events.
And so this is Halloween weekend, and my Lord and

(06:24):
Savior Donald Trump does what most presidents do. As the
government remains closed for a month, as air traffic control
and other critical areas of American life are affected with
these closures. As Snap benefits used by forty two million

(06:44):
Americans languish because of this government shutdown that has led
to a lack of funding, he holds a great Gatsby
esque Halloween party. Nice lavishness of buns. I mean it
was really special. And there the smoky party scene featured

(07:16):
guests drapped up in dressed up as knowned here in
flapper costumes. Yeah they are all It was a roaring
twenties in.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
A in a roaring twenties esque facility there at mar
A Lago, dripping with golden opulence. It feels so tone
deaf and Marie Antoinette, you know, as they're in their
castle with their you know, having their fancy cake and
the people are outside with their food stamps about to expire.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's it's super gross.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It is.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Not for everybody, cam is what I'm getting from you.
It's not for everybody. I mean, the guilt did age
where very few had very much and many had nothing.
That is what we're sliding into with the supercharged high

(08:13):
end participants in the American economy. I'm talking about billionaires
and numbers we've never seen before. I mean, but you know,
even just the percentage of those who are the wealthiest,
we've never seen the kind of gulf we have now.
And at the same time, more and more Americans are

(08:33):
finding that life in America is unaffordable because of healthcare,
because of prices for everything from housing to food. So
all of these things are happening. And you're right, this
has been a slide that preceded Donald Trump, and he's
only accelerated the slide and accelerated these things I've mentioned

(08:54):
because of his foundering economic policies, his impulsive decisions on
tariffs and on trade wars, to go after blue states
in one way or another, to pull funding on any
number of things, and any number of areas in which

(09:14):
there has been a robust government funding pipeline. I'm talking
about scientific research, that kind of thing. These things have
real world effects. So it's against that backdrop though, that
you can always have a party in an open bar.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
It's so silly because you would think that if you
were really doing this, And there's a report that the
top ten US billionaire's collective wealth grew six hundred and
ninety eight billion in the last year alone, So the
richer getting richer, the poorer getting poorer, and you would
think that you would want to do that, I don't know,

(09:48):
quietly instead of calling attention to it by saying America
needs a ballroom and throwing a Great Gatsby party on
a Halloween.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
It's like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Doing this and also America don't care if you see
it or not.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I think it's the last part that's so amazing
to me. There's just no shame here whatsoever. Yeah, there's
absolutely no shame. So that is the world. It's the
world of let's dance and sing and live in a
gilded environment. From the Marlago party to the ballroom that's

(10:26):
being constructed. Although as I've told you before, I think
it's more than just a ballroom. You don't build a
ballroom for two hundred million that then becomes two hundred
and fifty, then three hundred and three hundred and fifty million.
There's something else going on besides the ballroom. It is
a grift. It is also I suspect there are other
aspects of this construction that we don't know about and

(10:47):
maybe won't know about. But it was only part of
his weekend that Halloween party. He really celebrated the full
month of the government shutdown with a golf trip to
Flora to the cost American taxpayers three point four million dollars. Everybody,
that's right, the first month, why not stick the landing?

(11:10):
Blame the Democrats and hop on air Force one go
to Florida and the taxpayer three point four million dollar
funded golf trip brings his total for taxpayer moneies spent
on his very well developed hobby of playing golf. That

(11:33):
price tag is now sixty point seven million dollars. Yes,
hits his thirteenth trip to mar Lago, and when he
was asked about the shutdown over the weekend, which is
furloughed nearly seven hundred thousand federal workers and is forcing
another seven hundred thousand to continue to work without pay,

(11:55):
Donald Trump did, what, who's to blameras of course, yeah,
it's their fault. Everything is their fault. That is a quote.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Then he.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Posted a bunch of renovation of pictures from the Lincoln Bathroom,
which has now been redone in ornate marble and gold,
just in time for the Saudi visitors who are going
to becoming. Yes, the refurbished Lincoln Bathroom in the White House,
highly polished, statutory story, statutory marble. He wrote, Yeah, what

(12:37):
is statutory marble?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Kim, do you know what that is?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Same type of marble they use for statues.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think that's exactly right. It's statue eligible marble of
the highest quality. Yes, yes, and of course it goes
well with the paved rose garden, which is now this patio.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
And if you look away, you won't see the one
hundred and twenty three year old east wing completely torn down.
And you can enjoy a fall day there at the
White House without having to, you know, take in the
messiness of the you know, it's pardon our dust.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
We're you know, we're stepping up, by.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
The way, in his first nine months in office, Donald
Trump has played golf at his own resorts in Florida,
New Jersey, in Scotland. Anybody, how many times in his
first nine months has Donald Trump played golf at his
own resorts Florida, New Jersey and Scotland?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
How many times?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I will take guesses in the chat, And if you
are watching in delay, as most are, you can simply
leave your guests and I will tell you in seconds
the right answer is what your guess is? I mean,
he's been in office nine months. That's two hundred and

(14:11):
eighty six days. Okay, only two hundred and eighty six days.
How many days on the golf course?

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
How many days on the golf course?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Out of two hundred and eighty six, yep, forty.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Forty is a good guess. Forty is a very good guess.
And it would be you know, that's a lot, right,
the actual retail price seventy seven times six, yeah, yeah,
seventy seven times. That means he will have played the
golf twenty seven percent of the time he's been in

(14:52):
office a little over twenty five percent, twenty seven percent.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
No, he has to let up steam. Mark, Okay, I
don't know why you're so harping on that.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh I'm not. I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
In fact, I wish he would do more golfing and
less deporting. Listen, there's he had a golf vacation in
Scotland cost taxpayers about ten million dollars. That's when he
had the White House promote his opening of a new
course at his resort in Aberdeen and look for more
because during his first term. He played golf during his

(15:25):
first term two one hundred and ninety three days of
the four years.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
On the other hand, I mean that's you know, how
he gets his exercise.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
So yeah, you're right, Yeah, I have no issue with it.
Go ahead, live it up. I just wish that we're
all he was doing. So the Mark Thompson. There is
other controversy. As you know, Donald Trump sat down with
sixty minutes and it was an edited interview. The interview

(15:58):
itself lasted ninety minutes, and I thought she was okay.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Is that Nora.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
O'Donnell I wanted to play a couple of clips for
you just to get a sense for it.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think the.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I think the reflections on his immigration policy and the
ice brutality. I thought that was telling and well, in
a way, he was playing the hits, you know, with
the oh they you know, they empty their insane asylums,
they enter their presence, they send them here, that kind

(16:37):
of thing. But in another sense, it just it showed
you how cold hearted the whole thing is. Here's a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
More recently, Americans had been watching videos of ice tackling
a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago
residential neighborhood, and the smashing of car windows.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Have some of these raids gone too far?

Speaker 4 (17:00):
No?

Speaker 7 (17:00):
I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been
held back by the judges, by the liberal judges that
were put in by Biden and by Obama.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
You're okay with those tactics.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, because you have to get the people out, you know,
you have to look at the people. Many of them
are murderers. Many of them are people that were thrown
out of their countries because they were, you know, criminals.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's what I mean. I mean, it kind of goes
defaults back to that but we've seen it. You know,
we know that's not true. We know they're going to
car washes, we know they're going to they're going to
court appointed immigration hearings and arresting people people who are
really following the letter of the law. I mean, if
you read the actual which we are doing for a while,
these sort of individual cases and case profiles of those

(17:43):
involved in this, it's pretty disturbing. You know, these people
who are really pursuing the most reasonable refuge possible given
what they're fleeing, political violence, domestic violence. Now you can
argue that we should change the nature of asylum to
make it more restrictive. But under the current asylum laws,

(18:05):
these people who are here, many of whom have been
swept up in these raids, and many more of whom
will be swept up in these raids that are going
to become even more aggressive and even more wanton. They're
here legally, by the letter of the law. They've come
here legally. So as to the shutdown, no surprise, he

(18:25):
blames the Democrats.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Now approaching the longest shutdown in American history under your presidency.
We're talking about more than a million federal workers who
are not getting a paycheck, including our air traffic controllers.
You see there's traffic snarls out at the airports now.
This weekend, food aid for more than forty two million

(18:48):
Americans is set to expire.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
What are you doing, as president to end the shutdowns.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
What we're doing is we keep voting.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
I mean, the Republicans are voting almost unanimously to end it,
and the Democrats keep voting against ending it. You know,
they've never had this. This has happened like eighteen times before.
The Democrats always voted for an extension, always saying, give
us an extension, we'll work it out. They've lost their way,
they've become crazed lunatics, and all they have to do

(19:17):
Nora is say let's vote.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. I thought that was telling. In another way, he
is president. He is able to do a lot, a
lot more than probably is constitutionally mandated for him to do.
I'm talking about the tariffs that will be litigated and
is going to the Supreme Court. So he's able to
impose these witheringly high tariffs force countries internationally to come

(19:44):
to him and make deals. He was able to strong
arm enough Arab nations and offer them transactional incentives to
get that ceasefire proposal inked, that released hostage, He got
some humanitarian relief in it, was able to take this
Gaza situation to another place.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Maybe it's still ugly.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
In fact, I think it still is, and there are
other aspects to that that are layered over it. That
for another time, But my point in this context is
that he had the strong arm tactics, the bullying tactics
to impose his will on these Arab nations, not the
least of which is Katar and the Israelis Benjamin Netan

(20:28):
Yahoo to force that moment for all the wrong reasons,
I'm sure, but nonetheless to force the moment. Now back
to this country. In domestic politics, he's cowed an entire party,
no one dare go against him. He's pushed through that bill,
that bill stuffed with crap and gifts to the highest

(20:51):
earning individuals in America, another tax cut, and the ending
of all of these science programs, the ending of government
subsidies for so many academic institutions. He's taken on law firms,
He's forced them to their knees. He's forced media institutions
to their knees. He's referenced even in the interview last

(21:15):
night that CBS paid him a huge payout because of
the Kamala Harris edit.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
That was an interesting moment, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And so this is not a guy who is afraid
of leaning in. He's got a Justice Department now that
pretty much almost exclusively just goes after his enemies. The
rest of the Justice Department is just you know, I
don't know. I guess we got to find stuff that
we have to work on.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
This stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
The president wants us to attack all of these people.
We're looking for new people to attack any dissenters, any
people who've expressed discontent with him. So that's I mean,
he's able to do all of these things I just mentioned,
But man, he can do anything on this government shutdown.
He just is letting them vote, vote, vote. Now they're voting,

(22:03):
they're voting, and that, you know, we're just what can
we do? Democrats are standing in the way, they're voting,
they're voting. That's it. So meantime, all the funds are
jammed up. We told you just as we were coming
on the air, the Snap Emergency Fund will be employed

(22:25):
to at least get some of those snap benefits out.
But the idea that there could be a for example,
the House getting back together, that any of the business
of government go on, there could be a separate vote
and approval. In the same way that they jackhammered money
out to pay some service members, they could jack hammer

(22:47):
money out to pay air traffic controllers. I mean that
would actually be in their interest. I mentioned it to
you before. I think the fact that the air traffic
controllers are affected by this, and the travel has been
so very hampered by this much bigger deal to Americans
than the fact that the servicemen aren't being paid. I'm

(23:08):
not saying that they shouldn't be weighing in and the
same kind of import But what I am trying to
say is in terms of noticing it in everyday life,
the ATF stuff is AATC stuff is much ship bigger. Anyway,
my point is simply Donald Trump decided not to flex.
He just like I, can't do anything. Just can't do

(23:30):
anything because it serves him well to have the government closed.
They can get away with so much more. And if
you talk to many and we've had them on this show,
they will tell you. I mean those who are government watchers,
and we'll ask Gary Dietrich in a few minutes. Government
may not reopen through Thanksgiving through Christmas, and you're looking

(23:53):
at a real problem and it's only going to get
worse because even the reserve funds for SNAPP will And
that's just one of the ways in which you'll notice this.
He also talked about the Insurrection Act and employing the
Insurrection Act, and the more conversant he becomes with the

(24:14):
Insurrection Act, the more you realize, oh, yeah, you know,
he's loaded that weapon and it's ready.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Take a look this.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Past Tuesday, well, speaking to American troops in Japan, you
talked about US cities they're having trouble with crime, and
you said, if we need more than the national Guard,
we'll send more than the national Guard.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
What does that mean, send more than the national Guard?

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Well, if you had to send in the Army, or
if you had to send in the Marines, I'd.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Do that at a heartbeat.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
You know, you have a think called the Insurrection Act.

Speaker 8 (24:44):
You know that, right?

Speaker 7 (24:45):
Do you know that? I could use that immediately and
no judge can even challenge you on that. But I
haven't chosen to do it because I haven't felt we
need it, So.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
You're going to send the military into American cities.

Speaker 7 (24:57):
Well, if I wanted you, I could, if I wanted
to use the Insurrection The Insurrection Act has been used
routinely by presidents, and if I needed it, that would
mean I could bring into the Army, the Marines, I
could bring in whoever I want. But I haven't chosen
to use it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I hope you give me credit for that.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, I want credit for having not sent the military
into American cities in a bigger way.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I mean, you know, does that mean he needs
a few dings? You know, we get to give him
something for it. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Whereas media keeps bringing up the Insurrection Act to him
like it's a normal rational choice, media is to blame.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, it's the media. The media.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, he wouldn't think about this stuff and really wouldn't
even talk about her to think about it at all
if it weren't for the media.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
He also said there that the former presidents routinely used
the Insurrection Act. I think routinely is the wrong word there.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, routinely's doing a lot of work that really no
other word is done. Yeah, when it comes to the
Insurrection act.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Can I just say one more thing about this sixty
minutes interview that one of the stories that I don't
think is getting a huge amount of play is that
they edited this interview. He had a meltdown when he
was asked about this guy that he pardoned, the guy
from Binance, Cheng Peng Joo. You had talked about this

(26:24):
previously on the show, and so Norah O'Donnell asks him
about this pardon and he says, this is a quote. Okay,
are you ready. I don't know who he is. I
know he got a four month sentence or something like that,
and I heard it was a Biden witch hunt, so
I you know, basically, so I pardoned him. And they

(26:45):
went back and forth on this, and CBS ended up
cutting a big part about corruption and this pardoning out
of the show.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
It is. It is wild.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
They did it dress it, but it became like almost
a drive by as opposed to actually getting into it,
as Kim says. And there is a full transcript online
and maybe after Gary or maybe even during Gary, I'll
read a bit from it. But what you find in

(27:22):
the transcript is sort of much more in the way
of deflection, much way more in the way of sort
of bsing his way around it. The I didn't know
anything about it. I know he got a four month
sentence or something like that. These are his words, and
I heard it was a Biden witch hunt. And what
I want to do is see crypto because if we
don't do it, it's going to go to China. It's

(27:45):
going to go to This is no different to me
than Ai. My sons are involved in crypto much more
than I me. I know very little about it other
than one thing. It's a huge industry and if we're
not going to be the head of it, China, Japan
or someplace else is so I am behind it one
hundred percent. And this man was, in my opinion from
what I'm told, this is, you know, a four month
sentence and then he went on. But this man was

(28:09):
treated really badly by the Biden administration and he was
given a jail term. He's highly respected, he's a very
successful guy. They sent him to jail and they really
set him up. That's my opinion. I was told about it.
I said, it may look bad if I do it.
I have to do the right thing. I don't know
the man at all. I don't think I ever met him.
Maybe I did, or you know, somebody shook my hand
or something, but I don't think I ever met him.

(28:31):
I have no idea who he is. I was told
that he was a victim, just like I was, and
just like many other people of a vicious, horrible group
of people in the Biden administration. She says the government
had accused him of a significant harm to the US
national security. Trump says, that's the Biden government. She says,
Norah O'Donnell okay, allowing US terrorist groups to, you know,

(28:52):
essentially move millions of dollars around. He pled guilty to
anti money laundering laws. That was in twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty five. His crypto exchange Binance help facilitate a
two billion dollar purchase of World Liberty Financial stable coin.
And then you, pardon cz, how do you address the
appearance of pay for play?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Let me just step out of this for a second.
Then I'll get to Gary.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
The only thing I felt she failed on, and I
hate to say it, is you have to make it
clear World Liberty Financials stable coin, that's Trump, your your
crypto platform, your stable coin. It's yours Trump, not the
America's not and you know it's you, Donald Trump. So

(29:39):
then when you say, how do you address the appearance
of pay for play? It makes more sense. As she
was speaking, I thought, Nah, people who are kind of
just watching this may not hit them between the eyes
the way it would. Binance help facilitate a two billion
dollar purchase of World Liberty Financial stable coin, your stable coin, mister,

(29:59):
p You Donald Trump, and then you pardoned this.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Guy, c Z.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
How do you address the appearance of pay for play?
He said, Well, here's the thing. I know nothing about
it because I'm too busy doing the other But he
got a pardon, she said. He said, I can only
tell you that, and she said, he got a pardon, Nora,
I can only tell you this. My sons are into it.
I'm glad they are because it's probably a great industry crypto.
I think it's good. You know, they're running a business,

(30:26):
they're not in government, and they're good. My one son
is a number one best seller. Now my wife just
had a number one best seller. I'm proud of them
for doing that. I'm focused on this. I know nothing
about the guy other than that he was a victim
of weaponization by the government. When you say the government,
you're talking about the Biden government. It's a corrupt government.
Biden was the most corrupt president and he will be
the worst president we've ever had. I only care about
one thing. Will Crypto be? Will be number one in Crypto?

(30:49):
Crypto has turned out, and that in that sense, I've
been right. Crypto has turned out, And in that sense,
I've been right. I'm just saying, that's what he said
at Crypto's turned out to your massive industry, if you
want to call it that. And I'm very proud to
say that we are far and away ahead of China
and everybody else.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Chad is getting into it very big right now. If
you want to go after people, you're going to kill
that industry. And he goes on and on and on
and so you can see the deflection, and he's so frankfully,
he artfully does that. You know, the deflection is brilliant,
but it's full of you know, a lot of bogus stuff.

(31:26):
But that's really where his uh, that's his superpower, you know.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
So we're if he was upset that they cut something
out of the Kamala Harris sixty minutes piece, then why
is it fair that they cut this out of the
Trump sixty minute piece.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, I mean that.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Because he flipped out because he the more it has, Yes,
he does go on. He devolved, like he goes really upset,
and it's all about corruption and he's he's called out
on this and he doesn't like it.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
As I've told you, I think one of the great
things that they should concentrate on and talking about their
Trump administration is corruption. I think people can understand corruption,
and for that reason, I think it lands with people.
Because I'm sorry, all the policy stuff sadly doesn't necessarily
land as well.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
But this is to be continued. So that's the sixteenth.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
This guy will set us straight on all things. He
is the political analyst for iHeartRadio and also the CBS
television stations. Also, I'm going to play him because his
real sort of granular knowledge of California is so very
impressive in California politics. I'll play him a little bit
of the not the Trump interview, but the Newsom interview. Yeah,

(32:44):
Gavin Newsom sat down and he's kind of taking on
a more shall we say, easily noticed profile when it
comes to politics.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
We'll do that as well. How about it for Gary
Dietrich everybody.

Speaker 9 (32:56):
Hi Gary, Hey, good morning, Mark.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
So you know, I think this, I think the shutdown
of the government, which is now moving into its second month,
I think it deserves a word from you and maybe
an analysis of what factors are in play here, and
then if you would, I kind of promised everyone that
you'd give me some sense of how long this thing

(33:20):
might go on.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (33:21):
Sure, Mark, I'll do my very best on this. I mean,
you know, I told folks that I thought and it
looked like and people in tied to belt where we
were saying, it looked like they were getting close to
a deal, you know, primarily focused on we won't get
too far to the weeds, but primarily focused on a CR,
a continuing resolution. It first was going to be just
for another few weeks into November. Now Republicans have offered,

(33:45):
okause this just do it to the end of the year.
That will give us more time to negotiate all the
healthcare stuff, et cetera. And as the last week went on,
you started seeing, interestingly, Democrats beginning to sort of get
nervous and fidget in their seats in the US sentence
say you know't but I'm getting more marched to the CR.
Fetterman has been on board the CR thing for a
long time. But you had both US senators from Arizona

(34:07):
primarily and perhaps not surprisingly Democrats who are vulnerable in
next year's midterms, and so they said, you know, the
heat's on here. And then you had the Washington Post
come out and their editorial board saying Democrats in the
Senate need to just pass the CR and then get
on with the Obamacare conversations. So I really truly thought Mark,
especially with the cessation of the SNAP benefits on Saturday.

(34:31):
But see here, here's part of the thing about all
these different benefits and so forth. The military's paycheck deadline
on Friday, that was supposed to be the tipping point. Well,
but all of a sudden there was funds found in
the Pentagon for a few more weeks. And the same
thing now is SNAP. Now it's going to be partially
funded November. So it's sort of this little tiny kicks
at the can down the road, but I would expect
that we're getting real close. And then of course he

(34:52):
had more delays, including places like Big Air, place like
lax et cetera. Over the weekend. I think we're getting
closer to the pressure being rapteted up to where there's
something is going to finally break in his damp or
what at a near historic point in terms of the shutdown,
I would be surprised if it goes much past this week.
But here's the larger context that's making this one particularly difficult.

(35:16):
It's what happened last year in the election. You know,
normally in a and in one of these you know,
brujjas happened. Okay, we kicked the can back in for
the Adiada. But as you will know, Mark, this has
become a real had to say this, but a line
in the sand for many Democrats, especially progressive for Schumer
and Jeffries do not cave under any circumstances, and that

(35:39):
has made much more difficult for them politically.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm seeing this and comments like this, hold the line.
Forty six percent of Americans blame Trump and the Republicans.
It is that which you're speaking of, just a moment ago,
and the comments along those lines that lead me to believe, Yeah,
there's a big, big part the Democratic Party that feels
as though this is our only flex and we're going

(36:03):
to use it.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
Yeah, you know, what what's really somewhat ironic about that
is that the people that are being hurt the most,
for example, SNAP beneficiaries, the Obamacare subsidies people are worried
about those are traditionally Democratic Party constituencies. Right, So there
is an interesting part that Democrats are looking at the polls,
which you're right. I mean, it depends on which poll

(36:25):
you're looking at how big the margin is. But typically,
you know, the last several weeks, Democrats have come out
ahead in that in most polls, not all of them.
But it's interesting that you know, there is this sort
of push poll inside the party, with some saying, look,
we've got to get behind our people. Who are you
going to be suffering from this and hates it use

(36:45):
this phrase, but screw the polls, let's get a cr
on the table, and others just saying no, we have
the advantage politically. And it's in again, Mark, it's in
light of what happened in twenty four and what they're
also pointing towards in twenty six.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
But what you were saying is interesting because it's kind
of both sides. You were saying, you know, those who
are affected by snap benefits, this is a democratic constituency traditionally,
which is of course true. And yet many of those
on snap benefits are mega constituents. Are that is to say,
voters who full throatedly support Donald Trump. I mean the rallygoers,

(37:22):
the merch buyers, the you know, the backbone of his
base as it's called, a lot of them are on assistance.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
Scary well, And what's interesting, Mark, is that a lot
of the Obamacare subjieties are going to people in red states.
Now it's hard sometimes to break down. Of course, you're
not correlating. Oh, they receive an Obamacare subsidy, Let's see
what their voter registration is. It's more more generic than that, right,
But they'll talk about the amount of a subsidy going

(37:51):
to a particular state. Now, whether the people in that
state are you know, MAGA supporters are not harder to
drill down on. But this is something that even for example,
you've got a real rogue out there. You probably know
Marjorie Taylor Green of all people, has gone against the president,
gone against their own House caucus, gone against their home party,
and said, look, we got to do something with these

(38:13):
healthcare subsidies. A lot of my people, she says, and
her district are going to be affected by this or
already areb So there's going there's already cracks in the
armor in both parties. We'll see if they can get
this thing done. Usually what happens is everybody just kind
of says, okay, I got my quarter of a loaf.
You got your quarter of a loaf. Politically, you know,
before somebody completely caves in, let's just agree that we're

(38:35):
all going to step away from the table. So far,
that hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, and it's interesting to hear you say in the
next week or so, you feel as though everybody, as
you say, has gotten what they're gonna get and it's
time to move on. I'm also hearing nap Trump and
even the GOP on the House side anyway, have an
interest in staying out, and on some level they may

(39:01):
stay out through Thanksgiving. Could you see that that seems
like a long shutdown.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
Well, here's the thing about the House. Okay, they've already
passed the continuing resolution. That's the thing.

Speaker 10 (39:12):
You know.

Speaker 9 (39:12):
It's like, you know what you hear from almost everybody
in the House, and interestingly, even House Democrats are not
ones making the noises as much. It's Senate Democrats, right,
because the House, the sear is already through the House.
I mean so called clean sears simply means keep everything
as it is, don't change anything till the end of
the year. So uh, that's why the House is basically said,

(39:34):
you know, this isn't our problem. This is this is
you got to get enough votes in the Senate to
pass a CR. Is basically what it is. Here's what's
probably not gonna happen. Mark, Probably there's not gonna be
and you're already seeing this. There's not gonna be a
lot of detailed discussions about Obamacare subjecties. Now behind closed doors,
there are some and people are floating ideas and saying, look,

(39:54):
if we come back in past the CR, here's two
or three ideas we can vote on. That's happening, given
in a bike partisan way. But that's why the House
is basically said, this isn't our problem. We passed it.
It's a set problem.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Tell me what you make of just we're coming off
that sixty minutes interview.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I'll play you a couple of cuts.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
But there was one particular part that I felt was
so reminiscent of what we've we've heard Trump do and
maybe he does it effectively.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
It just strikes me as like, you know, a kid
who hasn't read the book that he's.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Supposed to do the book report on I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
And that's the discussions about Obamacare ACA.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
You just referenced it.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
You know, the idea somehow that there is a better
healthcare proposal coming from Trump or we're going to fix
the ACA now is kind of what he's saying. Give
me your assessment of how that plays, Like does that
by now? It just washes over people. People don't care.
How does the or does the average voter just it
doesn't even show up on their radar. The fact that

(40:52):
he really hasn't had the plans that he talks.

Speaker 9 (40:54):
About right, well, you know, did general guests for many
years have challenged their publicans, where's the plan, where there's
the alternative to Obamacare? And they put some pieces of
that out what that would look like?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Right?

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Some of these pieces they've already started working on, even
different subsidies and sometimes in some cases under Trump increased
pressures you know, in the drug companies to lower prescription prices,
things like that. That kind of leverage, but there isn't
really a wholesale alternative plan out there. I'll tell you, Mark,
My thing on healthcare is simply this. I think people

(41:26):
have just grown weary of all the promises about health care.
You have to think how long this has been going on.
You got to go back to Bill Clinton putting Hillary
in charge of healthcare overall, think about how long ago
that was in nineteen ninety two, right, and then Obamacare
was a major breakthrough. But since then there's still been
concerns about it. The subsidies to Obamacare that really were

(41:50):
wrapped up during COVID, you know, really providing some relief
for people, but I think there's a lot of confusion
about what the details really would be in any more changes.

Speaker 11 (42:00):
Now.

Speaker 9 (42:00):
That's why it seems right now they seem to be
stuck on or we get to basically keep Obamacare the
way it is and continue these subsidies or not. That's
the main sticking point, and frankly that's the main talking
point for Democrats.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Sure, sure, so just yes or no?

Speaker 6 (42:15):
You still do not have a plan.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
I have concepts of a plan.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, blame me something from last night sit down telling
you give me the give me the China cut. I
wanted to get to Gary's a reaction on China. You know,
he's just returned from China. China is a big player
the trade standoff with China. I just couldn't believe. I mean,
you know, this is a critical, sensitive trading partner here,

(42:38):
and but that doesn't seem to matter. Trump, you know,
is a bowl in a China shop if you're part
of the expression in this case, and he's you know,
he's gone after them. So here's what he had to
say last night.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
You just negotiated this one year trade deal with China.
But as you know, the Chinese, they think in a
hundred years. Sure, they played the long game, including on
our own soil.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
We played the long game to our own.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Intelligence agencies say the Chinese have infiltrated parts of the
American power grid and their water systems. They steal American
intellectual property and Americans' personal information. They bought American farmland.
How big of a threat is China.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
It's like everybody else. We're a threat to them too.
Many of the things that you say we do to them. Look,
this is a very competitive world, especially when it comes
to China and the US. And we're always watching them
and they're always watching us. In the meantime, I think
we get along very well, and I think it's I
think we can be bigger, better and stronger by working
with them, as opposed to just knocking them out.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
Who's tougher to deal with, Vladimir Putin or Shijian Pin.

Speaker 7 (43:43):
Both tough, both smart, both Look, they're both very strong leaders.
These are people not to be toyed with. These are
people you have to take very serious. And they're not
walking in saying, oh is in it a beautiful day?
Look how beautiful the sun is shining. It's so nice.
These are serious people. These are people that are tough,
smart leaders.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, thoughts well, I think you know, look, let's just
be honest about it.

Speaker 9 (44:11):
At this juncture in world history, Russia is not a
major threat to the US only in the sense of
the massive nuclear stockpile that they retain and the unpredictability,
you know, and the saber rattling of prudent over things
like theater use of those for example, of course in
Ukraine and then the Europeans are more nervous about them

(44:32):
than we are. But in terms of you know, geopolitical
cooperation and competition. We talk about this market seems like
every second or third time I'm on with you, China
is really the big competitor. They're the ones continueing the
hemispheric expansion, even in the Western hemisphere. They're the ones
that in Africa have made major moves that you know,

(44:52):
there's a lot more concern about China than there is
about Russia. Some of it is military, and our military
will tell you that very point blank. You know, they'll
catch out everything from ship counts to you know, I mean,
you go down detailed comparisons, but also of course on
the economic front. And I really see all of this
back and forth. I mean, I don't want to be

(45:15):
overplay this hand, but it looks like you know, and
some people able to even call it a very cold,
pretty chilly cold war. I mean, it's really competition for
the direction of what markets are going to look like,
you know, geopolitical leverage is going to look like going forward.
And I do think it's good it's on people's radar

(45:36):
screens because sometimes you've got all easy he's talking about China. China, Well,
China's a big deal. I don't care who you're talking about.
When you talk about think tanks right or left. They
know that it is the major player that the US
has to find a way to work with and also
kind of corral going forward.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I remember, I think I was in high school and
there was this, you know, the Cold War mentality, and
you learned about it and you lived it on some level.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
But then.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Commerce and business and the international way in which the
world did get smaller because of those things, commerce and business,
you realize that, oh, the nuclear thing isn't really the
way wars are being prosecuted. It's going to be economic dominance.

(46:27):
It's going to be the very real way in which
a nation is taking an advantage economically. And that's exactly
what has happened, although it seems now to have coexisted
with sort of a militarism that has become radicalized in
some areas. I'm thinking of the Middle East, now I'm
thinking of South America, and I mean, of course Ukraine.

(46:50):
So the two things happen together. But you're right, while
the nuclear gets the attention and makes for the nastiest
newsprint and gets all the clicks, it really is the
world of commerce that we'll decide to so much, and
it was a front and center even in the conversation
last night, although I don't think there was much light

(47:12):
spread in the conversation with neuro adonal.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
You know, I will say, Mark, there's one other third
sort of leg of that stool, and that's technology. That
is what has changed so much since the fall of
the Soviet Union, that has completely changed the dynama. Most
of the conflict that you hear on a regular kind
of daily basis about China tech is technological and it
with reference to that Norodonald clip, you know, infiltration of systems,

(47:38):
you know, I mean the electronic warfare part of it
is something that people don't talk about as much out
of the street, but that's really what the people inside
the Beltleigh are more focused on, in many ways than
militaristic It's what kind of systems do we have to
harden and protect? What kind of infiltration has there been
in systems of commerce, but also in government and in

(47:59):
academic Those are the kind of things that really have
people very concerned. How much is kind of truly monitoring,
you know, the American people in a variety of ways,
what access do they have to our infrastructure? Systems. We
keep hearing about that, water power grids, et cetera. Those
are the kind of things right now that really, if
you want to say, what is the new Cold War,

(48:21):
it's over technology.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, that's such a great point.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And that's why when Trump comes forward with the I
want to test our nuclear devices and you know, I
want to build more ships or whatever, I mean, it's like, dude,
that's over. It's about technology now. I mean, real national
security is about listen to what Dietrich just said. I mean,
it's the it's that stuff that you have to harden.

(48:46):
The world of technology is really where this is happening.
And similarly, I don't mean to take a gratuitous shot
at Trump, but you know, when you orphan science, when
you really take down so many of these scientific pro
and research programs that have been you know, the sine
qua non the very top of the game in this country, Traditionally,

(49:07):
at top of the world, you do real damage. And
so I always I kind of lament that alongside everything else.
I wanted to play you, and I know are time's
limited here, but I want to play you a cut
or two more, and then I want to get some
Gavin Newsome stuff into you as well. Please how about
Saudi Arabia? Please it, Tony, here's a trump on SAT
the Saudis.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
I wanted to ask you about.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is coming to the
White House this month. He has said they won't join
the Abraham Accords without a two state solution.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 7 (49:39):
No, I think he's going to join. I think we
will have a solution. I don't know if it's going
to be two state that's going to be up to
issue on other people and me. But look, the main
thing is, you could have never had any kind of
a deal if you had a nuclear RN and you
essentially had a nuclear aren and I blasted the he

(50:00):
a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Uh yeah, I mean he's still taking the victory lap
on blasting Iran. But thoughts on his disposition toward the Saudis.

Speaker 9 (50:12):
Yeah, Well, the Saudis have always been sometimes overtly many
many times sort of as they say, quiet power. The
Saudis have always been the big lynch pin in the
Middle East. They are the big kahuna when it comes
to dollars, comes to oil, comes to leverage. I mean
they are always seen as if you don't get the
Saudis on board, you don't have a full deal. And

(50:33):
what's interesting is that a lot of the countries, of course,
the round Saudia, I mean Egypt posted right these, Israel,
Palestinian signing that just happened. We say, see, you've got
a lot of the major players around there. I really
see the Saudi meeting is basically saying, look, you're the
last big player that really needs to sign off on
this thing. We need you to get it done. And

(50:53):
I'm sure I have no doubt that there will be
incentives that come with that, et cetera, and also warnings.
But make no mistake about it, the Saudis were not
unhappy that we bombed iron right. I mean they were
perfectly okay with that. You didn't hear anybody on the
Saudi media going, boy, this is terrible. Nope, absolute silence, right.

(51:13):
So they they have always been sort of that had
that kind of role. You know, you can set you
can tell as much from their silence as you can
from what they say or do well.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
And the Saudis have now with their money, taken over
so many aspects of American cultural existence, sports, entertainment and
these are areas of culture that you wouldn't necessarily traditionally
anyway associate Saudi involvement with.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
But they are very much involved.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I mean, I mean, as I'm saying, it really is
a complete takeover in the formula one. These are all
things that speak to the way the Saudis are. They're
changing their brand a little bit, I think, and they're
also very much involved with a lot of things that
have to do with American culture, and in that way,
I think America, as you suggested, does have some leverage

(52:08):
with the Saudis in terms of moving that Middle East
deal forward to a better place.

Speaker 9 (52:13):
I wanted to, let's say one sentence about that, it
is quite remarkable to see a Islamic based country, you know,
get involved in horse racing, golf, you know, even to
some degree gambling sports. And I think it's just it's
really quite remarkable to see the cultural shift in that
US Midist relationship, particularly with the Saudis, just in the

(52:36):
last ten years.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I've got to just quickly give give me a heartbeat
on Venezuela and the cartel strikes that are threatened by
this administration in Mexico, and then I want to get
to Newsom, but just give me a heart beat on this.
And I think you know, the smack talk was getting
really rough toward the end of last week and it included, now,

(53:00):
you know, Mexico, we may actually take some uh make
some moves against the cartel in Mexico as well.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Speak to both of you, would please well.

Speaker 9 (53:09):
I see this as an escalation model, Mark. I mean,
you know, taking out boats in the Gulf are now
in the you know, the Eastern Pacific. I think that's
kind of a shot across the boundo pun intended, right,
I mean, you start talking about taking out if they're
talking about taking out drug labs in some of these
countries on the ground, et cetera. I sort of see

(53:30):
this as, look, we're serious about this drug influx thing. Now,
it's not gonna just be at our own borders. We're
gonna be more proactive about it. We're even doing that
with the leverage on China. As you know, part of
the conversation with you was about fentanyl. So you know,
I see this as continuing to escalate. I don't know
where it stops, Mark, I don't know how serious the

(53:50):
adminisiation really is about sending that f thirty fives in
and taking out, you know, drug plants or whatever it is,
distribution centers in some of these countries. I mean, that would,
i'm be a massive escalation.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
And how is he going to do that, Gary, when
he's busy with uh defending Christians on the continent of Africa.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
Well, you got the you got the UH Gerald R. Ford,
the biggest ship in the entire world in the Gulf.
So we'll see what happens. I don't, I don't. I
don't think anybody really knows for sure where this ends.
But I think so far it's been Okay, let's see.
You know, this escalation is let's see if they're going
to do something serious to stop the flow of drugs
out of their countries.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Well, the saber rattling. And that's the reason I mentioned
Africa is that it seems to know no sort of
geographic focus. As I say, if you can smack talk
those on the continent of Africa, and you can smack
talk those in Latin America and Eastern Europe and the EU,
I mean not to mention Canada and Mexico. I mean,

(54:50):
he's he's got a lot of a lot of billious
rage in there.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Quickly.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Now to Gavin Newsom, I knew some sat down and
you know this is no surprise. Uh, let's no surprise
that you know his presidential aspirations are no surprise. Just
to fill out that thought. But uh, let's watch a
little bit and then I want to get you. You
you you know your client very well here, so you

(55:17):
know your subject, I should.

Speaker 9 (55:18):
Say, clear, Yeah, he's not a client, never has.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
That's why I corrected it. I corrected. I said you
know your subject very well.

Speaker 9 (55:25):
I want people to understand this is really important distinction
in our day. You know this mark, but this is
very important to me. You know, there are political consultants
of which I'm not, and there are political analysts of
which I am. The consultants are people that you know,
they're hired guns for a new some ofccamal airas a party,
a proposition or whatever. I don't do any of that,
as you know, I am strictly on the media side

(55:47):
of things, and that's important for people to know.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
That is my bad, and I'm very sorry. I was
looking for I was looking for a word to sort
of say, you know this territory so well. You're probably like,
I don't even need to see it. I can tell you,
you know, but I am. Yes, indeed, he's just he's
a subject that you've reported on through the years, not
anyone you have any kind of professional association with a
part from that.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Okay, let's see a little o'.

Speaker 12 (56:09):
Gavin Newsom, rer vice president, writes that she scrambled to
reach prominent Democrats hours after President.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Biden exited the race.

Speaker 12 (56:18):
And she said that you responded to her call quote
by saying, Gavin Newsom hiking will call back. He never did.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
Is that what happened?

Speaker 13 (56:28):
One hundred percent? And I sent out an endorsement in
a few minutes after that. I was one of her
first endorsements. There's reasons she was calling. I've known Kama
all my life. The last person she needs to reach
out to is me.

Speaker 14 (56:39):
So I learned the news. I wanted to get in
touch with the Biden folks. I was out on an
actual hike and I said, I was like, calmah, you
got a million people to call, and we were literally
working as she reached out.

Speaker 13 (56:54):
It was a voicemail, by the way, unknown number for
the record.

Speaker 14 (56:58):
And as she was onto her next calls, we were
already onto our press release endorsing her. So I don't
even know why that was even in the book.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
Did you feel like she took a swipe at you
in her boots?

Speaker 13 (57:11):
It's all good, It's this is We've known each other
for twenty years, and.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, I don't need to see this this.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I don't even know why we're still talking about this craft,
but all right, go ahead, Gary.

Speaker 9 (57:20):
Well, I think what's important out of this Mark is
let's make no mistake about it. I mean, for people
who don't know this has been a love hate relationship.
You can, they can cozy up to each other as
much as they want, but these two have been on
a political collision course for a long time. I mean
they both came out of San Francisco. They were literally

(57:41):
you know this Mark, you were in the city. They
were local elected officials, won the mayor, won the DA
in San Francisco at the exact same time, and then
they started rising up through the ranks, you know, him
as lieutenant governor. Her is ag Then she got that
Senate see that she was you know, picked by Biden's
v VP. But let let's make no mistake about it.
When that whole thing went down with Biden, this is

(58:02):
all people need to remember or need to know if
they don't know it. Gavin Newsom was all over the
idea of having a short primary. There was no way
he was going to endorse Kamala unless he had to,
because he clearly wanted in on the game to be
one of the short list folks who would run. And
that abbreviated, very abbreviated. Some were saying three or four

(58:23):
week primary process and it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
And you know, there just as a matter of opinion,
Gary Dietrich, would that have mattered to a who the
candidate turned out to be and be the general that
is to say whether or not trumpt be defeated.

Speaker 9 (58:38):
You know, it's interesting if you listen to a lot
of party insiders. George Cliney came out in the last
week it said, hey, man, I wanted the primary, and
I think it was a mistake to just annoint Kamala, right.
I think there's a lot of people that feel like
there's a good chance she would not have been the nominee,
and if she had been, it would have been better
for her to look like she quote unquote earned it.

(59:02):
She didn't just say oh thanks, Joe give me my
hall pass boom. I think remember Pelosi and others were
advocating the primary system, even quietly Barack Obama said we
ought to have a primary system for those very reasons.
It didn't happen. The rest is history. But look, she
is now scheduled. This is all people need to know

(59:23):
about Kamal Harris. She is now scheduled and booked the
Golden One Center, the King's basket Ball Arena next April,
and Sacumento for the end of her quote unquote book tour. Now, Mark,
I don't know about you. I've never heard of a
book tour in a basketball arena holding ten or twelve
thousand people. That sure looks an awful lot like the

(59:45):
start of a presidential campaign.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Wow, wow, Wow, the Hubris there is you know, Well,
let's wait and there'll be much to talk about. You
did mention? Mention Nancy Pelosi? Tell me what's gonna happen
with her?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Now? She's possibly retiring, so I want to get it.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Yeah, she's got a serious competitor now in her state.
Senator Scott Wiener, who's who has said for a long time,
when Nancy leaves, that's basically in my district. I'm gonna
run in it, he said, I'm gonna wait till she
makes her move. She kept him in and han around
she and her people. He finally came out and said,
I'm running regardless. And so the pressure is on her

(01:00:27):
to retire. As you know, Mark, I sort of see
it a lot like the classic NFL quarterbacks have been
really successful for a long time. Hard to step off
the grid iron my friend hard to do it, and
I have a feeling she will. But boy, that would
be talk about ugly San Francisco politics. If those two
took each other on, Wow, that would be something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I mean, in a way, it's what Democrats do best.
That food fight. The political food fighting is something that
really is part of the game. Anyway, Gary, we covered
a lot. I left stuff out, believe it or not,
but it was great that we got to everything we did.
So appreciate you and look forward to our next visit.

(01:01:09):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
Thanks, Mark, have a great show, Gary.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Dietrich, everybody. I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
In fact, I want to tell you how much I
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Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
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Please don't interrupt me when I'm out. Go ahead, go ahead,
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Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I will get to comments in a bit. I don't
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Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
This guy is a Pulitzer Prize winner rights for business
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I just think he's a great, great mind. As I say,
he is a Pulitzer Prize winner, we went to the
same university, Kim, so in a way, as I've said,
I'm kind of a Pulletzer Prize adjacent. That's all I'm saying. Now,

(01:04:36):
how about it for the great Michael Hiltzick, You are
a wondrous sight to see, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 11 (01:04:45):
Well, thanks for having me. And I just want to say,
you know, you may have enjoyed the coffee that your
friends and sponsors provide for you, but you haven't tasted
the coffee that I myself here in my backyards.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
What what? Wow? I do tell you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Give me thirty seconds more on that. How long have
you been roasting your own coffee?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
He'll chick.

Speaker 11 (01:05:11):
Yeah, I've been doing it for years and it's a
it's great, it's sort of a hobby. Basically it allows
me to, you know, to set my own varietals and
judge the roast. And it's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
What's the toughest part of roasting your own coffee, Michael.

Speaker 11 (01:05:35):
Well, I'd say that the toughest part is basically that
you have to do it outside because it produces a
lot of smoke and steam. You can't do it in
the house. And the machinery I use basically beeps me
periodically to make sure that I'm keeping an eye on
it so that the roast doesn't basically catch fire. So

(01:05:58):
I have to sort of tend it, and you know
that can be half an hour. Paying attention.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Is ridiculous, by the way.

Speaker 11 (01:06:11):
You know, I come off as obsessed about coffee, but
you have no idea how obsessed people could be about
coffee and their equipment and you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Know, oh yeah, oh yeah, I have you know.

Speaker 11 (01:06:22):
What temperature and how long?

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
And sure I have I have three berg rinders and
I have yes, yeah, And I mean, it's it's it's
But that said, it's nice to have something to obsess
about that it's not, you know, it's at least it's
not you know, I'm not weighing out bags of heroin,
you know what I mean, or whatever it is. I mean,
it could be.

Speaker 11 (01:06:44):
We all need we all need a legal hobby.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Exactly, all right, Michael Heiltzik Pulletr Prize winner, tell me
about the food stamp program. You did a column on
the history of food stamps, and this very important thing
which serves the economically vulnerable, has sort of a troubled history.

Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
Yeah, you know, just to start off, I would say,
it's unbelievable. It's just extraordinary to see, you know, the
federal government's leadership, I mean Trump and the Agriculture Secretary
doing everything they can to avoid providing forty million Americans

(01:07:30):
with food assistants. You know, if we know this, if
Democrats were in power today, they would have moved heaven
and earth to make sure that these benefits get paid.
They would have found the money. The money is legally present,
and for Trump to say, oh, you know, we're not,

(01:07:52):
you know, we don't have the legal right to pay
it is preposterous and ludicrous and really tells you a
lot about, as you said, the hist of this program.
The first food stamp program was enacted in nineteen thirty nine,
and we know what was going on at that time.
It was still you know, the depression was still biting.

(01:08:15):
And ever since then, you know, it's come and gone.
But the program that exists today was an act and
I think in the in the sixties, and it's crucial
to Americans to have this assistance. And we know this,

(01:08:36):
so you know, the idea that we're just going to
let American you know, I mean, you know, thirty forty
percent of the beneficiaries this program are children. They are
all low income households. There's just no excuse this. Numbers

(01:08:57):
have been hostile to this, to this program for as
long as they've been hostile and Social Security, which is
we know dates back to the nineteen thirties. They just
do not want government to help the masses of Americans.
They want government to help them, you know, you know,
millionaires at billionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Well, and to bail out major corporations that are in trouble,
either through either banking institutions or tech institutions, as we
saw earlier this year with Intel. What I liked about
your column, in addition to kind of putting it into
a historical perspective, was just what you referenced, which is,
it's such little money. I mean, it's not a lot

(01:09:36):
of money that's going to these starving families or families
that are economically stressed.

Speaker 11 (01:09:42):
No, when you really boil it down, you know, you're
really talking about two dollars per meal per individual over
a period of per day, but you know, over a
period of thirty days. But for the households that need

(01:10:03):
this and receive it, it's a big deal. It can
really be make the difference between hunger and feeding your children.
But Republicans have had the knives out for this program
all along. You know, they've tried to restrict what people
can buy. They've slandered beneficiaries of this program by saying

(01:10:26):
they just want to buy cigarettes and alcohol. And you
know the fact of the matter is that you can't
buy cigarettes or liquor with food stamps. You have to
buy food. And that's what most people do. I mean
almost all people. They buy exactly the same market basket
as families that are not dependent on food stamps.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Let me read a little bit from Poetry Prize runner
Michael Hiltchik's column about this. What seldom understood because it
deals with even another part of this program. What seldom
understood by the program's critics is its importance to the
US economy generally, and the farm economy in particular, because
SNAP is counter cyclical, meaning it expands when the economy
slumps and shrinks during recoveries, every dollar spent on benefits

(01:11:14):
yields as much as a dollar fifty in economic gains.
As a team of USD analysts calculated in twenty nineteen,
every one billion dollars in SNAP benefits produces a one
point five billion dollar gain in gross domestic product, which
supports thirteen five hundred and sixty new jobs, including thirty
two million added income going to agricultural industries that support

(01:11:37):
four hundred and eighty agricultural jobs. Again, you kind of
show the receipts on the way in which SNAP this
program is more than just a handout, that's right.

Speaker 11 (01:11:47):
And you know the farm lobby. You know, farmers love
SNAP because it's a customer. Not only is it a
customer for their produce, but they many of them have
market days in which they basically have been certified to
accept food stamps to sell food to their low income customers.

(01:12:11):
So you know, it's an economic boon. It works, It
keeps millions of people, millions of children out of malnutrition.
And here are these you know, Republicans, Trump mc collins,
the USDA secretary. They're acting as though it's really not

(01:12:31):
important and that they have no choice but to cut
off benefits. It's just ridiculous, and I would hope that
people really get a sense as to the cruelty of
these cut off by hearing testimony from the people who

(01:12:55):
need it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Yeah, and the cruelty associated with many of the administration's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Policies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
It seems to be kind of a defining feature in
the case of immigration. I thought it was telling last
night when the President of the United States when talked
when talked to about the ice realities that you know
that they're gassing people, that it's just say, tear gassing
people to neighborhoods. They're throwing mothers to the ground. Who

(01:13:28):
are you know, who seem to be a fairly innocent bystanders.
When asked about that, the President took the position that, Noah,
I'm not at all troubled by this. In fact, I
think there it should be more aggressive than it is.
And I'm wondering again with the SNAP program, there doesn't
seem to be you know, it's a pretty coal hearted,

(01:13:48):
coal hearted group that is turning down north of forty
million Americans who need this program.

Speaker 11 (01:13:55):
Yeah, you know, not only have they done that, but
you know there was food that was actual about to
be shipped to food banks and other and other philthropic
recipients that the Trump administration basically ordered to be burned up, destroyed.
You know, food banks that were expecting deliveries, you know,

(01:14:18):
last week we're told it's not coming. You know, we've
we've basically uh thrown all this food in the trash.
You know what they're thinking. I'm wary of trying to
look into their heads because that's a dark place and
I don't want to get you know, infected. But you know,

(01:14:39):
I mean there's no explanation whatsoever that makes any sense
for this sort of behavior and this sort of policy.
And in fact, you know, to federal judges just the
other days, you know, told the federal government, no, you
have to pay these benefits. You can't pretend that they
can't legally be paid. And the last thing I saw

(01:15:02):
the Trump administration said, well, we'll pay half the benefits.
That's what that's all we can afford.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
I mean, look, we're busy building an arch a ballroom
and bailing out Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Okay, so give us a break with this stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:15:19):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
Yeah, there was a documentary and a book that juxtaposed
the Ethiopian famine with what was going on among Ethiopian
you know leaders at the time of that famine. They
were having basically they were having banquets, and there were
shots of them having a banquet. Well, you know, there

(01:15:42):
were thousands and thousands of refugees who were going so well,
this is exactly, you know, the same image. Just you know,
on Saturday, I guess, Trump had a huge party, a
huge banquet at Martin Lago, Mar al Lago for his pals,
in which they chogged down and they got you know,

(01:16:04):
they danced, they had photographers there, and that was the
day that Snap benefits were being cut off. And you know,
I mean, isn't there somebody in this administration to say,
you know, let's make this problem go away, you know,
and not by cutting off benefits but by paying them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, You're right, that juxtaposition is extraordinary.
So I don't know even how to how to square it,
except for the fact that again his base seems unshakable
and they are in the main very much affected by
a lot of these policies and the brutality of those

(01:16:47):
policies as well.

Speaker 11 (01:16:49):
I think his his base is beginning to shrink. I mean,
we're seeing from opinion polls that his his unpopularity is
increasing rapidly. And you're right, you know a lot of
people who voted for Trump, a lot of residents in
red states. In fact, red states, people in red states

(01:17:09):
can much more in terms of food stamps and other
assistance like that than people in blue states. So you know,
Trump is swinging around saying, well, you know, all of
the recipients of snap are Democrats. The exact opposite is true.
So he's really just punishing his own core base. I

(01:17:31):
don't get it. I don't know anybody who does get it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
In my last minute, I wanted to ask you about
something that maybe we could follow up on this another time,
because to me, it's intriguing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You know, the idea that we smear.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
The communist party as it has risen in socialism, as
it has written and risen elsewhere in the world. And
I understand why these authoritarian regimes generally accompany a lot
of these communist type of parties and even socialist parties
populist parties. But what I'm seeing with this administration is
an increasing effort to kind of take over, takeover companies

(01:18:10):
and areas of production that kind of put them in
the category of socialists. I mean, he's talking about wanting
to build nuclear power plants. He's chosen a company to build.
He wants the government to get twenty percent of this
Westinghouse deal with these nuclear power plants, the Nvidia thing,

(01:18:31):
he wants a piece of that. And it seems as
though his deals with China and his deals with these
tech companies do involved involve America having a piece of
the action. You know, and I understand there can be
public private partnerships through the years. You have a better

(01:18:51):
window on that history than do I. But this seems
to be an out and out dipping our toe into
almost a socialist flex Can you just speak to that quickly?

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:19:02):
Sure. You know, in the old days in the nineteen thirties,
when it was suggested that social Security would build up
a big reserve, and Republican senator at the time asked
the drafters of the Social Security bill, what are you
going to do with all that money? And the drafter said, well,
you know, you could invest in stocks. And Arthur Vandenberg,

(01:19:26):
you know of Republican of Virginia, if I remember correctly,
threw up his hands and said that would be socialism,
and they outlawed Social Security from investing in stocks and
Social Security can only invest its reserves in treasury securities.
But that's the same thing. You know, once you have
the federal government taking stakes in public companies and private companies,

(01:19:51):
then basically you are opening the doors to an incredible
amount of conflicts of interest within the government and outside
the and it's something you have to guard against very
very carefully. But for Trump, this is all about him
taking a payoff and him getting tribute from from big business.
And you know, some of these deals doesn't even benefit

(01:20:15):
the country as a whole. They benefit Trump and his family.
So we know what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yeah, I mean, it really is a grift and I'm
glad that you call it out as such, and that's
it to be continued because it really does seem to
be a big part of what he's doing now and
his plans for the future. You know, there'll be Trump Inc.
Is going to be a very big part of deals
made with the American economy. Michael Hiltzick always a pleasure
to speak with you. I think you're just so very smart,

(01:20:42):
and now that I know that you actually roast your
own beans.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
You've really faulted yourself to an even greater.

Speaker 11 (01:20:49):
That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Get back to the roasting. Michael Hiltzik ever rebind like
Michael Hiltzick. I mean, you know, every he needs to
rest their own beans once in a while, and Michael's
on it. That's what all, That's what That's what the
kids tell me. Yeah, he has the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Best office of any journalist I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
He does.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
I don't even know if that's a real office. Maybe
maybe he just set it up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
You think it's a backdrop like an AI.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
I think it's real. But he's the real thing. He's
a real intellectual, you know. I think you know he's
a He's the real thing. You should read his stuff,
la times.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Probably ask him where anything is. He knows exactly where
it is, goes right to it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Well, he couldn't find the Pullecher Prize for him, remember
the first time we had him on. He couldn't find
the pullet I know where you got. You must have
it in a place, money. I think I have it
here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
That would be the first thing you see when you
come to my house. Yeah, I'd have that pulager right
out there. I'd make those Pulleter Committee people proud. Anyway,
I know I have to. I'll be right there. I'll
be right I'll be right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sos,
we'll do a little news. I just wanted to take
a quick comment from chaplain Fred Mark it is. It

(01:22:03):
is Shadow Stevens's birthday today. Who is the He's the
voice of the show, you know, and he is a
he's a great He's a towering figure in this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Yeah, that guy right, he's very very He's got a
big voice like that Market's Shadow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
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Speaker 11 (01:22:24):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Mark, When will you have Shadow come on your show?
Love Shadow? Well, I actually asked him if you wanted
to come on today, and he's a got something else
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Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
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On The Mark Thumpson Show. I'm Kim McAllister. This report
sponsored by the Amazing Coachella Valley Coffee. Millions of Americans
will begin receiving partial snap benefits this month as the
government shutdown continues. In a court filing today, the Trump
administration said it will indeed use contingency funds to cover

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fifty percent of eligible household's current allotments. Fifty percent. That
means a lot of people are still without. This comes
after two separate rulings last week ordered the Trump administration
to tap into those emergency funds that'll cover some food
Assistance program benefits. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy is warning of
more air travel disruptions as the government shutdown continues. During

(01:23:57):
an appearance on CBS Has Faced the Nation, and Duffy
said passenger safety is still top top priority, but he
did predict more slowdowns and delays, along with flight cancelations
as air traffic controllers work without pay or pick up
second jobs to try to make ends meet. The Supreme
Court set to hear oral arguments on the legality of

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President Trump's tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
On Wednesday, Trump, who.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Had previously said he was considering the unprecedented move of
attending those arguments, told reporters aboard Air Force One yesterday
he has decided against doing that. The President set to
hold tele rallies in Virginia and New Jersey later today.
Voters in both states will head to the polls tomorrow
to elect new governors. Democrats leading in the polls in

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both states, but in New Jersey, Republican candidate Jack Ciarelli
has been closing the gap to almost a dead heat,
so the tell rallies could make the difference in those states.
The top US officials are saying President Trump's nuclear testing
will not involve nuclear explosions. This according to Energy Secretary

(01:25:05):
Chris Wright, saying the testing will involve the other parts
of a nuclear explosion or a nuclear weapon, to ensure
that they're working properly. The Energy Secretary's comments followed President
Trump's announcement that he was ordering the Pentagon to step
up the testing of nuclear weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I love how the administration has to circle the wagons,
rationalizing and somehow explaining the mad king's utterances, even though
we know they're crazy. Like he talks about the nuclear testing.
We explained immediately on this show there hasn't been any

(01:25:42):
nuclear testing that we're testing the delivery systems of these various.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Nuclear missiles.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
And after Trump kind of goes prattling on about it,
and of course he never he never, never, never back
pedals or you know, anyway modifies what he has to say.
So the administration has to do that. Oh, he didn't
mean that. He meant, you know, this other stuff, but
he was talking about in fact, in the sixty minutes interview,

(01:26:13):
he talked about the fact that Kim in North Korea
is doing weapons testing, and you know, fortunately Noah o'donald said, well,
we were talking about Russia and China. They're not testing
anything open air nuclear testing of any kind. So you
began to see that. You know, he got the memo,

(01:26:35):
but it was slow in getting there. And he's you know,
this dude's a party planner. He's you know, a guy
who slaps gold on buildings, he tears crap down. He
wants to do what he wants to do, and he
isn't there to do any kind of real deep thinking
or create a blueprint for the future of America.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Absolutely you know, well, Michael Wolfe said he knows nothing
about anything, and David K. Johnston said the same. I mean,
I don't know if he knows nothing about anything. I
think he's a very clever marketer, and I think he's
a very clever player of the media, but to a
really dark end. But on the nuclear testing thing, it

(01:27:22):
was crazy, hilarious, and now here we see it in
today's story that you're doing, Kim, that his administration is
going no, no, no, what the president, what the mad King
means is. You know, there's a lot of that what
the Mad King means.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Is, But when he originally said it that nuclear testing
is coming back, I mean, in my mind, the mushroom
clouds popped up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
And I think, of course, yeah, no, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Not what they mean at all.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Okay, The United States is launching a global trading club
for critical minerals. Interior Secretary Doug Bergham emphasizing the importance
pardon me, of energy security as the nation aims to
lead the artificial intelligence arms race, what they're calling it.
Bergham says the nation must get back in the power
generation game to stay competitive and keeping electricity affordable is essential.

(01:28:14):
He also highlighted the interconnectedness of energy security and national
security as well. The widow of Charlie Kirk is fighting
to have cameras in the courtroom for the trial of
her husband's assassin, Erica Kirk, telling Fox News as Jesse Waters,
there have been cameras all over her husband when he
was murdered, so there should be cameras in court. The

(01:28:35):
Utah judge in the case has placed restrictions on camera
coverage of the preliminary court proceedings for the accused killer,
but has not yet banned cameras entirely. Nancy Pelosi maybe
calling it quit. Several reports say the Democratic leadership is
signaling the former House speaker will not seek another term.

(01:28:55):
She's been in politics for nearly four decades, representing her
San Francisco based district. A Pelosi spokesperson declining to confirm
her plans, saying she remains focused on passing Prop fifty,
the effort to redraw congressional maps to increase Democratic seats.
Tiland allmaker Kenview is being sold in a deal worth billions,

(01:29:17):
Kimberly Clark announcing a cash and stock deal valued at
forty eight point seven billion dollars to buy Kenview. The
deal would bring brands like Huggies and Kleenex under the
same roof as Thailand Al and.

Speaker 7 (01:29:29):
Bandaids I said a menifin not commonly known as Thailand All.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
The deal expected to be finalized in the second half
of next year. There are two suspects now facing federal
chargers in the alleged Michigan terror plot. They're among the
five people FBI director Cash Battel announced had been arrested
last week for allegedly plotting a violent attack over Halloween weekend.
According to the criminal complaint, one of the men bought

(01:29:57):
a shotgun and an AR fifteen style rifle, along with
other accessories in August and September. They claimed there was
no Halloween terror plot. Officials in Louisiana investigating after two
girls were injured when they were thrown off a ferris wheel.
Happened at the New Roads Harvest Festival on Saturday, one
girl reportedly suffering broken bones, the other with a possible

(01:30:19):
brain bleed, both considered non life threatening injuries. They were
twenty or twenty five feet off the ground when they
fell off that ferris wheel. John Stewart will stick around
the daily show for at least another year. Paramount Announcing
Stuart renewed his deal to host the satire news show
once a week until December of twenty twenty six. He'll

(01:30:40):
also serve as executive producer. He returned to the show
last year ahead of the presidential election, after leaving in
twenty fifteen. Los Angeles celebrating the Dodgers World Series championship today,
huge crowds huge line the streets of downtown LA for
the victory parade and followed by a rally at Roger Stadium.

(01:31:00):
Look at all those people, mark Wow. The Dodgers rallied
to beat the Toronto Blue Jays and extra innings in
Game seven of the series Saturday to give LA its
second World Series.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
It was pretty great.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
I got to say, if you know as you tell,
I got it. There are a lot of people who
are part of this show and who listen and watch
this show who live in the Bay Area and are
Giants fans, and I think of your Giants fan. It's
hard to root for the Dodgers, but man, they played
a terrific series. They had a well, they had a
historic game of course that went eighteen innings during the series.

(01:31:36):
They climbed back into the series when the percentages were
overwhelmingly against them doing so once they went down three
to two in the series, so they had to win
back to back games on the road in Toronto, and
then as you said, it went extra innings. It was
really spectacular, and so congratulations to everybody in Los Angeles.
You deserve to be happy and to feel a little

(01:31:59):
pride and a team that really is dynastic at this
pointments back to back championships and really really impressive, And
congratulations Tony and everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Else who was Luise Dodger adjacent.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Lewis is probably our biggest Dodge fan in the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Sesame Street will make its Netflix debut next week. The
first four of the long, long running children's show will
premiere November tenth on the streaming service. Sesame Street's moved
to Netflix came after HBO Max didn't renew its deal
with the show. So there you go. As far as
guest stars, you know when you when you have made

(01:32:39):
it on to Sesame Street, you know you've made it.
NASCAR champion Bubba Wallace will be the show's first guest.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Star Wow, that is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Great. Great.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Lastly, Dwayne Roberts has passed away. Who is he, Well,
you might not recognize, connect the name with what he's
done for a may Erica. He is a billionaire known
for inventing the frozen burrito in nineteen fifty six. Yeah,
we'll pass away at the age of eighty eight. Thanks
for giving us the frozen burrito, mister.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
And this is the new hoax on the frozen burrito.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Everybody's got to realize if somebody had to come up
with the idea and make it happen, I guess that's right.
Doesn't seem like a big idea, but it's an actual
huge idea.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Huge idea. Dwayne Roberts passing away at the age of
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Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
Who's Mark Thompson?

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Vilmas says a Giants fan here wanted Canada to sticker
to Trump. Oh yeah, Trump is everywhere. You know, you
can't we watch We're not watching baseball, and it's still
I'm pooting them because they're more There are more mega
people on that team. Yeah, there it is. Dodgers paid mightily.
Uh Villa. Trevor Starr in Hollywood says, how do you

(01:34:39):
invent a frozen burrito? You just put a burrito in
the freezer. That's what I thought. But apparently there's more
to it than that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Science is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Apparently it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Uh is.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
You apparently did not have the frozen burrito until he
came up with it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, meantime, let us eat can, says Richard Delamator.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Yeah. The Trump people having their.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Roaring twenties party at mar Lago while the rest of
us are on the outside waiting for our snap benefits
to be reinstated. Chaplain Frez said, Trump be like, I'll
buy that for a dollar. RoboCop Tony helped me with
that reference. Please, do you know what that reference is?

(01:35:28):
I can't hear Tony So.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
It was one of the fake commercials I think in
fake commercials and stuff that's just so good. Such a
good movie, that first one. Yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
First one was pretty great.

Speaker 7 (01:35:42):
Um.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
I believe the courts realized that hungry grocery market flash
mobs might topple the rule of law. The general public
would then learn to apply it. Interesting. Richard Delamator says that,
I mean, I do think at some point he has
to worry about all of this stuff washing down with
the American people. You know, I don't care how many
of those quick response fighting forces you have high peeps

(01:36:11):
will catch the show and replay. I'm at Dodger Stadium
celebrating our back to back championships with an incredible series.
Prop to Toronto hashtag three. Pete Louis gracious even in
celebration recognizing Toronto Louis, congratulations to you. Really something special.
It was a great series, immensely entertaining.

Speaker 11 (01:36:32):
I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Yeah, maybe we should just call the show Kim and Friends,
says West Theory. The engineers rotate out and even the
host is out occasionally. Kim is always constant. Yeah, you
should call it Kim and Friends. I think, yeah, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:36:48):
Oh, it's a wild idea, but it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Just might work.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Yeah, anyway, all right, thanks for all of those comments,
The comments and superstickers are live and the continue as
we are a live show for two hours every day
two to four in the East and eleven to one
in the West.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Thanks for being here.

Speaker 8 (01:37:09):
Thomson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
The first Monday of every month, we like to turn
the focus on the world of animals, sweet innocent creatures
whose habitat, of course, we are destroying and whose lives
we're making awful.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
All right, this is a word about animals.

Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
Now, a word about animals. I'm a Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
And the person who guides us through this segment every
month Karen Dawn from Dawn Watch. She of course is
a very active Facebook following and you can find her
across the big world wide web. Karen Dawn of Dawn Watch.
You know, I I was glad that you mentioned something

(01:38:02):
which is very much something that I've spoken out about before,
and that is the weaponization of the law and the
changing of laws and terminology when it comes to the
use of the word terrorism and when it comes to

(01:38:23):
animal activists. In fact, Kim will tell you this. I've
even referenced the fact as the verbiage around protesters started
to find its way to the word terrorists, they're radical terrorists,
they're left wing terrorists. The minute you use the word terrorists,

(01:38:43):
it's not just an invective that you're hurling some insult.
It actually takes what's going on to a different place legally,
a much darker, much more intense place legally. And so
why am I saying this in relation to Karen Dawn
before I've even let her say one word, Because there
is a terrorism law, the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, that

(01:39:09):
was passed after nine to eleven, and it is being
used to prosecute animal activists, and the terms, the sentencing
terms are really dark. And so, Karen, with that lengthy setup,

(01:39:30):
perhaps two lengthy a setup, I wonder if you can
apply what I'm talking about the use of that terrorism
law in the world of prosecuting animal activists and contextualize
it with some of the news of today.

Speaker 15 (01:39:43):
Hey there, yeah, it is highly relevant to animal news
this week because Zoe Rosenberg, who's an activist with direct
action everywhere DXX was arrested for having stolen she would
say rescued, the law would say stolen four chickens some

(01:40:06):
time ago. And this trial has been in the works
and took place since I last saw you. And she
was convicted of stealing these four chickens.

Speaker 10 (01:40:21):
She was also.

Speaker 15 (01:40:24):
Actually she was convicted of trespassing, and she was convicted
of tampering with the vehicle and of conspiracy. And the
what is of great concern. You know, activists don't really
mind being convicted and arrested and for their activism.

Speaker 10 (01:40:43):
It's a pretty.

Speaker 15 (01:40:45):
There's a nice history of activists being willing to be
arrested during protests, et cetera. But one of Zoe's convictions
is for felony conspiracy, and that is to do with
what you were just talking about, which is the Animal
Enterprise Terrorism Act, which was a law that was passed
in the wake of nine to eleven when the whole

(01:41:09):
country was on alert for terrorism, and the biomedical and
big ag agribusiness industries cynically used this fear to push
through a law which had nothing to do with terrorism,
but which they called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act so

(01:41:30):
that it would get quickly passed without too much debate.
And what this law did was it made it possible
for any minor misdemeanor such as trespassing when it was
done against an animal enterprise, the place that made money

(01:41:50):
from animals. And as you know, we know that's generally
from torturing animals into a felony.

Speaker 10 (01:41:58):
So usually you and you.

Speaker 15 (01:42:01):
Can't call trespassing or some sort of conspiracy against a
company a felony.

Speaker 10 (01:42:12):
But thanks to.

Speaker 15 (01:42:13):
This law that got passed basically by the legislators owned
by the biomedical and big farmer industries passed this law
there was hardly any discussion. And now when animal activists
are just doing activism such as taking four pens from
a farm to put them on the internet and let

(01:42:34):
people know the kind of conditions that they were living
in and the horrors that they were going through at
this industry, suddenly these activists are in fear of going
to jail on felony crimes. And this is what's happened
to Zoe. She got convicted. Now, interestingly, I think the
DA in her wisdom, did not prosecute trespassing as a felony.

Speaker 10 (01:42:58):
And I think you know, we've had times in the.

Speaker 15 (01:43:01):
Past where a DA chooses to over prosecute and then
ends up with nothing, with no wins.

Speaker 10 (01:43:06):
So you know, they had the good sense.

Speaker 15 (01:43:08):
To use the discretion only to prosecute.

Speaker 10 (01:43:12):
The trespassing is trespassing, but.

Speaker 15 (01:43:15):
They prosecuted the conspiracy charge as a felony, and so
Zoe has Zoe Rosenberg has been convicted of a felony. Now,
whether or not she could go to jail for four
years or the DA does.

Speaker 10 (01:43:28):
Have they not?

Speaker 15 (01:43:29):
The DA, I'm sorry, the judge has the discretion to
give her probation or and that's what we can hope
for that despite her having been convicted of felony, she's
not going to be serving time in prison, but that's
yet to be seen. But the very fact that she
has been convicted of a felony for stealing poor chickens
from a multimillion dollar business is because of the ridiculous

(01:43:53):
power of Big AG and Big Farmer. It's the same
and those two lobby groups got together to pass the ASI,
the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, which makes the most minor
crimes into a felony if they're committed against animal enterprise.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Yeah, so December third, they will decide her fate in
terms of sentencing. But to Karen's point, the important thing is,
if you let me just state it bluntly, if you
mess with our business, with our commercial business, we will
prosecute you. And because we're big, bad business, we will
prosecute you as a terrorist and you will go away

(01:44:32):
for a long time. So to be fair, she's when
you say stealing these four chickens, it really is just that.
I mean, I don't think you're making it sound, you know,
any better or softer than it was. It was just
taking these four chickens. But again you're taking them from
this business which has got you know, four thousand chickens

(01:44:53):
right waiting to be hung upside down and have their
throats cut or But to the point, it's your messing
with our business. You're on our property, this is our business,
and we will prosecute you and you will go away
for a long time. And with Big Pharma, you can
break into one of their labs. You can get one

(01:45:14):
of their beagles or a couple of their beagles out
of that lab situation, and if you do, you will
be prosecuted as a terrorist and you will go away
for a long time because you're messing with our business
is their view. And I'll go one step further, and
you should see this documentary. I think it's called Animal People.
I did a podcast with them many years ago, and

(01:45:34):
that was about a group of people who did nothing
in terms of breaking in to any farm or any lab.
All they did was they identified the bankers who were
investing in these businesses that were involved with animal cruelty,
and for just that embargo that they began to perpetuate

(01:46:00):
and get enough momentum behind to create headlines and actually
produce results. Just the embargo, they did nothing but just
protest with signs and draw attention to these banks that
were funding lab testing of animals. They prosecuted them as
terrorists and they went away for a long time. So
this is serious stuff, and to me, it's a complete

(01:46:23):
perversion of the law, and it is a violation of
free speech in some of these cases. And as you
suggest in the case of Zoe, it's just the fact
that she took these chickens to make a point. This
is what that organization does. They're in the East Bay
of San Francisco and they do a lot of this
stuff to bring awareness more than to really disrupt a

(01:46:47):
commercial enterprise that's not going to miss four chickens.

Speaker 15 (01:46:50):
Yeah, and I think you know, I've mentioned a couple
of times she took four chickens. Of course, they're not
concerned about the loss of the chickens. They're concerned that
the reason she did it was to call attention to
what they are doing there, to get the camera pointed
to the Pedaluma farm, and to so that people, I'm sorry, not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
The pedal it's I think up there.

Speaker 10 (01:47:15):
They're also wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Kim lives in Pedaloma and it's a big I think
it's a big egg producing area pedal So there are
a lot of chickens up that way, And is.

Speaker 10 (01:47:26):
They really what they really didn't want is.

Speaker 15 (01:47:29):
The cameras pointed in their direction, because that's what she's
trying to do, is to shine a light on what
is going on there.

Speaker 10 (01:47:35):
And the less people know, the better for these companies.

Speaker 15 (01:47:40):
And sadly they can get the legislators on board to
back them. Sure, there's no groups that give more money
to government than Big egg and Big Farmer. Actually, Big
Big Farmer's number one and Big Eggs number two.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
So I saw the speaking of you know, lab animals
and everything I saw that those monkeys that were being
transported in that truck. Maybe you can tell the story.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Better than I can. There was an accident, then the
monkeys get out.

Speaker 10 (01:48:08):
Yeah, a truck to know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
That was.

Speaker 15 (01:48:12):
That was transporting a whole group of monkeys to be
used in research. There's an awful lot of secrecy. And
I've linked you know you mentioned Facebook. You know, I
moved over to substack. I still post a little bit
on Facebook and John watch dot substack dot com is
where I post my substacks and all of these stories

(01:48:34):
that we're talking about today are covered in the substack
I sent out yesterday. And yes, I called it felony
Chicken rescue. And then I've mentioned the monkey murders. A
truck overturned, a bunch of the monkeys got out of
their cages. Unfortunately, there's a lot of secrecy as to

(01:48:56):
where these monkeys were headed from the to lane by
medical research facility. The truck driver, unfortunately said that they
were carrying all sorts of diseases, which it's now been
said that they were not. We just don't know what
to think. Honestly.

Speaker 10 (01:49:16):
Some were shot by the police yesterday. There were three
left who were.

Speaker 15 (01:49:21):
Running around a home own or a mother shot one
in her backyard, a monkey, and she mentioned that she
shot him and he was just standing there, and then
she shot again and he fell over. In order to
detect her children because she'd been told that they were
infected with various dangerous diseases. It so happens they likely

(01:49:41):
weren't yet, but that's exactly they were headed to labs
to be infected. And it's a shocking and sad thing
to say that the ones who were shot on the
spot were probably the lucky ones, because what these other
monkeys have ahead of them is just unbearable.

Speaker 10 (01:49:59):
It's life in.

Speaker 15 (01:50:01):
Cages, to be tortured, to have uh strange viruses put
in them, It's unconscionable. And I was so glad to
hear Gary Dietrich mentioned mentioned MTG Margaret MAJORI tael A
Green before because bless her, she has been so outspoken

(01:50:22):
on this issue.

Speaker 10 (01:50:24):
She actually, uh, there's a.

Speaker 15 (01:50:25):
Quote in the article I shared about the secrecy around
this from her just saying it's just sat on every level.
And she tweeted saying that she doesn't know a single
taxpayer who wants their tax.

Speaker 10 (01:50:36):
Money going to this sort of thing.

Speaker 15 (01:50:38):
So there's another issue that Margerie and Major Taylor Green
has been willing to take a strong stand on. And
we're very you know, donatch is completely politically Nonpartisan's.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
What's the what happened on? Are all the monkeys accounted for? Now? Now?

Speaker 15 (01:50:58):
There were yes, yesterday there were three on loose. One
got shot by a woman trying to protect your children.
So I believe there's two on the loose. You know,
one can only pray that a primate sanctuary can find
them and retire them.

Speaker 10 (01:51:10):
You know, the rest of them are on.

Speaker 15 (01:51:13):
Their way to their the horror that they were already
destined for.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
So let me just quickly handle this from crashed on
the beach. He says, So you allow theft for businesses
you disagree with?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Theft is theft?

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Yeah, I was saying, prosecute the theft, and Karen was
just saying, prosecute the theft, no problem, prosecuted. Karen just
said she's used to be people who are activists are
used to being arrested and prosecuted for these things. But
you don't prosecute it as terrorism felony exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 15 (01:51:48):
Seen will for four years for stealing four chickens.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Right, So that's that's what we're talking about. Yeah, Karen, By.

Speaker 15 (01:51:58):
The way, I just want to say how much I
appreciate a comment like that because other people might have
misunderstood and might have been thinking the same thing. No,
we're not saying that she should get away with stealing
the chickens.

Speaker 10 (01:52:10):
And that's what the.

Speaker 15 (01:52:11):
DA said is these people can't think they're above the law.
And it's like, no, they're not trying to be above
the law. So he's quite happy to be prosecuted for
stealing the chickens.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
But the reason cattle or owls.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
I can only accommodate one today, which one would you
like to speak of?

Speaker 15 (01:52:29):
I think owls we had very very bad news. It
was looking for a while like it was going to
be okay, but it's not. The barred owls are doing
far better than the spotted owls in parts of rich forest,
and the spotted owls are endangered. So some of the

(01:52:51):
environmental groups, and it's not the first time that environmental
groups have been out of step with animal rights groups
because are they're concerned with this species, We are concerned
with the suffering of the individual and so they're worried.

Speaker 10 (01:53:07):
That the spotted owl is getting.

Speaker 15 (01:53:12):
Getting eaten alive, so to speak. But they're actually not
being eaten, but they're they're losing territory and they're they're
losing out to the barred owl. So there's a there's
been a move to kill half a million barred owls
because they're doing too well and the spotted owls are
doing too poorly. And the the Animal Wellness Action and

(01:53:39):
some other groups have been fighting this hard.

Speaker 10 (01:53:42):
And once again we've had some.

Speaker 15 (01:53:45):
Republicans doing the most who've spoken out most strongly against this.
John Kennedy is the person who in the article I
refer to in my substack, which maybe Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Kins are, Yeah, well, we'll have the link to the
sub underneath the show.

Speaker 10 (01:54:03):
And he's just said, what are we doing. We're playing God.

Speaker 15 (01:54:05):
We've decided that the spotted owls have to win against
against the bard owls, and so we're going to.

Speaker 10 (01:54:10):
Kill half a million ours are said to be slaughtered.

Speaker 15 (01:54:17):
Now it turns out the Trump administration has come and
is backing the slaughter now. They had not been before,
but it's because the powerful logging lobby is behind this now.
And I did a little bit of research, It's like,
why are the loggers I'm trying to kill off the
bard owls to protect the spotted owls. And the answer

(01:54:37):
to that is that because the spotted owls are endangered.
When spotted owls are in trouble, the loggers are not
allowed to log in these old growth forest areas. So
therefore the loggers really want the spotted owls to do better,
and so they're all on board for killing off the
bart hours. So rather than letting nature take its course

(01:54:59):
and us accepting look as things happen over in the
course of evolution, sometimes some sbecis do better than others,
and right now the bard ours are doing better than
the spotted owls. And if we're letting nature take its course,
that's what would happen, is the bard hours would take over.
But no humans are getting involved in saying, let's kill

(01:55:19):
off half a million of these beautiful animals that everybody
loves because we don't like the fact that the spotted
owls are endangered. So it's you know, and again, of
course nobody wants to lose a species.

Speaker 10 (01:55:33):
But for what I just think.

Speaker 15 (01:55:35):
Is really rich is humans saying that there's too many
of a species that are ruining the environment and we
should be killing off half a million of them humans.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Say that, So I mean if by that metric and
by that philosophy, humans might be you know, next on
the griddle.

Speaker 10 (01:55:55):
Yeah, more than half a million of us.

Speaker 15 (01:55:57):
Yeah, and I'm not, of course suggesting be killing humans
that I did that we're getting ready to kill half
a million bard owls because they're doing better than the
spotted owls.

Speaker 10 (01:56:06):
Is pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
So her substack, you can find a link to it
under this video and you can find it just buy
you know, a basic Internet search. Yeah right, Dawn Watch.
All of her stuff will come up there if you
just slam it on into Google.

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
So, appreciate you. Really good stuff, really important stuff. Wish
we had even more time, but I'm glad that we
visited those things that we visited and people can read
more and follow more with the dawn Watch substack. As
we say, thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Karen Down, Thank you, mam. That's a word about animals.

Speaker 8 (01:56:43):
Join the flock again next time for a word about animals.
I'm a Mark Thompson Show, The Mark Thompson Show's Mark Thompson.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
I can't believe it. All our time is pretty well done.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Is that really possible?

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
It is good show too.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
I thought there were some good good things in here,
largely because of your planning. I've got to give Kim
a little credit. She's really stepped up her game.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Kim, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
I didn't know about the owls.

Speaker 4 (01:57:20):
Karen don surprised me with that story.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
She has a lot of good information and that use
of the terrorism charged the felony terrorism. You know, I
mentioned this in the context of those protesters and the
way you started to hear about Antifa and the left
and the Democrats and they're all terrorists, and and I

(01:57:46):
said it at the time. You'll recall I said, you know,
this is scary, not just for the rhetoric being very
pointed and just scary rhetoric when you call these people
enemies of the people and the enemy of the state,
but that word is loaded terrorism in a legal way,
and it can be turned just as it has been
on animal activists, on activists of any kind. So careful,

(01:58:11):
the government can do a lot and do a lot
to you or people you care about or respect who
are involved in various efforts of one sort or another
that you care about.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
In respect, so that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
Poultry farm is right outside the city limits of Pedaluma,
so very close to where I am.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Yeah, it's a big poultry country up there in Pedaluma.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
Nor we are the egg basket of the world is
a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Trump is preparing to present the World Series Trophy to
the Dodgers, says Dirk Digity, Oh there you go. Well,
that goes with the gig, you know, kind of allowed
to do that. White collar criminals get lesser prison sentences
than those that are meted out to those animal activists.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
That's so true.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Shouldn't destroying the East Wing without permission be considered an
act of terrorism?

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
As Mark Elliott, The.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
Other crazy part of that story is that it happens
in such a stealthy way. I don't think. I don't
know who saw that coming, that the East Wing, the
whole entire building was just going to be torn down.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
If you read about how it happened, I want to
say it was in the New York Times, maybe I
forget who had it, an article on how it happened,
How he got angry and he said, just tear the
whole thing down.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
It was like, and he tear the effing thing.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
It was a really f filled explosion that he had
of temper, and he said, just tear it down. It
was the same way that he pardoned the Jay Sixers.
You remember, he said, no, just pardon them all, everybody.
And so you end up with the East Wing destroyed
on the verge of the rainy, wet, freezing cold winter

(01:59:56):
that is about to descend on Washington. Not to mention,
I mean, that's just the construction part of it. You know,
you just torn down a whole way. But the history
that's lost is substantial, apparently, you know. And I heard
from a couple of people who say, and when you
consider that the East Wing was the purview of the

(02:00:18):
first Lady, and with the history of first ladies there,
it plays into his general vibe, which is I don't
give an f about women.

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
Well, the whole thing is a metaphor for what he's
doing to America. Sure, tearing down the part of the
White House is like dismantling the country.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
Sure, but the and I should say, the attack on women,
you know, the roll back of Row, the attack on methipristone, women, tree,
productive freedoms, these are all things that are associated with
kind of the general philosophy of the administration is kind
of what was being suggested to me, and it makes
a lot of sense. Nullafidian with a five dollars super check.

(02:01:00):
It's a super sticker, big shout out sticking your super
appreciate it so much.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
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(02:01:47):
Trevor Starr in Hollywood says, Mark, if you want a
Pulitzer Prize, you need to start roasting your own coffee. Okay,
I think they give Pulletzers for that, but it's it's
an idea.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
I don't know. Well, we will see.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
I want to what can I do, Tony? Anything else?
I can do to to delay. I hate to say goodbye.

Speaker 4 (02:02:16):
You wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
I hate to say goodbye, but I feel like I'm
gonna have to.

Speaker 8 (02:02:21):
I'm Shadow of Stevens for the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
Yeah bye bye, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
Shadow on his birthday.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
Happy Birthday, Shadow Stevens. Tomorrow, David J. Johnston and Jefferson
Graham to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Oh that's gonna be a great show. David K.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Johnston. Wow, because he canna have a lot to talk about.
We'll look forward to that, and we look forward to
you being here. Please share any conversation, any video across
your Facebook or your social media whatever, kids use. Did
he the TikTok? I don't know what your deal is.

(02:03:02):
You can email it. Kids love the email, whatever you whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
You feel, but.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
We appreciate you supporting the show in every way that
you do.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
Tomorrow, d V K.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
Johnston and mar And until then, Happy birthday Shadow.

Speaker 8 (02:03:24):
I'm Chef of Stevens for the Mark Johnson Show.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
Bye bye, Tony, thank you, Kim, thank you. Out of time,
Bye bye, out of time, Bye bye

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