White House Situation Room Huddle Reveals Real Fear of Epstein Bombshell Coming 11/13/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm o Kelly, still filling in for Mark Thompson on
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Will be with you for all of today.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
And tomorrow as we close out the week and in
this business, this fraternity, if you will, this brotherhood and
sisterhood of journalists. Unfortunately, today we have to start off
with some bad news someone very close to Mark, and
also the Mark Thompson Show has passed away and we
need to give him his flowers on this occasion. And

(00:34):
in Kim mccowister, first, good morning to you. Unfortunately I'm
passing it to you under somber circumstances, but I know
you can you can best describe the importance of the moment.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, and I don't know if you guys have seen this.
It's on those fields inappropriate under the music right now,
but we've seen it all over the place. And it's
weird because you forget that someone has so there of
note when you get to know them as a person,
right and you get to kind of feel who they are,

(01:06):
and you just look at them as a friend, friend
of the show and.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, here comes.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
We'll wait till music guys down here. Thank you. So
I am very sad to have to pass on the
news that our beloved Jim Avela has passed away. And
Mark sent me a piece that he wrote to read

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to you, and I will do that now, and then
we have video that we're going to play for you
as well. He Mark writes this that we expected it
for the last couple of months because Jim has been
very ill, but the news still hits hard that our
dear friend and respected colleague Jim Avea passed away. Jim
was a regular contributor on our show, as many of

(01:55):
you know, connecting with us Fridays to give us his
take on any number of issues can fronting America and
the world. And he loved doing it too. He was
a senior correspondent at ABC News, longtime White House correspondent
for ABC News, a correspondent on the ABC News program
twenty twenty World News Tonight Weekend anchor. The list just goes.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
On and on and on.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Jim reported from war zones in Latin America. We talked
about that on the show. His personal experiences in those
areas the Middle East, he was a hardened journalist who
recently had done the brutal work of bearing witness to
immigrant issues at the border here in California as he
worked for an ABC station in San Diego. He was
the winner of multiple Emmy Awards, the Peabody Award, the

(02:42):
Edward R. Murrow Award for Journalism, and really it only
begins the list of accolades that Jim Avla has received
to say award winning, the list goes on and on,
because he was amazing and he was famous, as you
may remember on the Mark Thompson Show for his verry
blunt takes and his very famous drop you have, Albert.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
There's always been in this country thirty to thirty five
percent idiots.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yes, it won the Marks Madness as the crowd's favorite
drop at Jim Avela will live on in that drop,
at least on this show and won't be forgotten. He
was a dear friend to Mark, as you may know.
Mark will say more about him on Monday, but wanted
me to pass this news on to all of you.

(03:30):
We are very saddened that Jim Avela leaves us at
the age of seventy, though ABC News reports that he
was sixty nine. We do have a piece from ABC.
Let's take a look at.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
That bad news about one of our ABC News colleagues.
Former ABC News senior national correspondent, Jim Avela has passed
away after a long illness. Jim was an LA based
correspondent specializing in politics, justice, law, and consumer investigations for
nearly two decades. He also worked in the White House

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and broke the news at the US and Cuba had
reopened diplomatic relations. That story earned him the prestigious Merriment
Award from the White House Correspondence Association. After leaving ABC News,
Jim joined the ABC affiliate in San Diego as a
senior investigative reporter, covering a wide range of stories with
depth and fairness. Jim also faced health challenges with courage,

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including a kidney transplant donated by his brother. The president
of ABC News writes to colleagues this morning quote, we
send our heartfelt condolences to his family, including his three children, Jamie, Jenny,
and Evan, and we thank him for his many contributions
and unwavering commitment to seeking out the truth. Jim Avlo
was sixty nine years old.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
On a personal note, I will say. Jim Ablin knew
I had a news crush on him, and he never
said no to me when I had to fill in
for Mark sometimes in an emergency, and I'm you and
Mark are able to kind of go solo and do
real well at that, but I always kind of need
someone to talk with, to have a conversation with, and

(05:04):
Jim was always there for me. He would never say no,
and we had some great conversations because of that, just
the two of us. One conversation I remember in detail
was Jim talking about war coverage, being a war correspondent
in Iraq and having some close calls and realizing that

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what he was doing was putting himself at risk. And
his daughter called and asked him to come home, and
he did and he kind of teared up but talked
about the personal cost of being a war correspondent. It
was an amazing conversation that I'll never forget. Jim had
a lot of moments. You could ask him about anything,
just throw a topic at him, and he was well versed,

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able to have an opinion about whatever it was. And
when he came back and took the position in San Diego,
where he did some really important work bring the immigration
crisis at the border. He left the show for a
time because he couldn't be a journalist right and still
offer his opinion here on this show. He was a

(06:10):
true professional. And then he came back to us recently
and it was we knew again that he was ill.
It was hard to watch that, but I'm glad that
we got that time with him back, and he will
be forever missed. He was kind and smart and funny
and just the most wonderful person, and he will be missed.

(06:35):
Jim Avola passes away at the age of seventy.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Before we move forward.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I didn't know Jim personally, but I knew of his
legendary resume professionally, and he is part of this decreasing
body of serious journalists who took his works very seriously
and took the profession of journalism seriously and understood the

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role that true journalists were supposed to play in making
sure that there was.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
An informed public.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
You play that SoundBite about thirty to thirty five percent
of general public being stupid or idiots, and it is true,
but that speaks to the necessity and responsibility of quality
journalism to help decrease that number and although I did
not know him personally, I absolutely knew of his work professionally,

(07:35):
and beyond the personal anecdotes, I know professionally what he offered,
what he gave is going to be sorely missed. And
I know that sounds cliche, but it is ever so.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
True some comments.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Biggie sixty one says, like the rest of you, my
heart is heavy upon hearing of the death of Jim Avola.
We got to know him somewhat on a personal level
through the show, so this death does hit closer to home.
This show is very it's a vehicle to allow I
think it's even different more than regular radio or traditional

(08:10):
TV in that this show kind of allows people to
connect on a more basic level. And I know it's TV,
but we have longer time to talk. And because of
Mark's ability to connect with people, you kind of let
your guard down. Really many people do and they they're

(08:30):
just natural normal And so we did get to know
Jim on a personal level and feel like we're part
of that their friendship really, and so I think it
does for people that have watched this show feel, you know,
it feels more heavy to them. Thank you to Richard
delamator who kicks in a couple contribution in Jim's memory,

(08:54):
Luis as well, Jim Avela forever in our Hearts and
forever a Mark Madness Hall of Fame. The thank you
Mark Thompson's Show for bringing him to us in such
a special way. Thank you so much for saying that, Louise.
He was so gracious at the Mark Thompson meet up
and greets, meet and greets. Rest in peace, Jim Obola. Yeah,

(09:14):
thank you, Louise, and thank you Richard for that, and
thank you everyone for the comments. And I just feel
grateful that we got to know him in this way.
I'm very absol thankful that he was part of this
show and part of our lives in a meaningful way.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And speaking of in a meaningful way.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
As we discuss these topics, sometimes with a degree of silliness,
but mostly with a degree of sobriety, it's good to
have meaningful discussions, informative discussions, and as we move forward.
A good way to start the show in earnest is
with our guest, Ryan Clarkson, Attorney, managing attorney, attorney and

(09:53):
managing partner of the Clarkson Law Firm. Overseeing the firm's
innovative AI litigation practice, leading litigation against big tech, including
Google and open Ai. I want to welcome to the
program right now. Ryan, How are you doing on this morning?
I know it was a little bit different start to
the show than usually your lead up and lead in,
But how are you, sir?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Appreciate the opportunity to come on and speak with you
all this morning.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I appreciate what you do, and all of us who
are either participating in the show or watching the show
obviously have some degree of knowledge and expertise and personal
interest in technology. We use it in everything that we do,
and in many ways it helps our lives. It improves
our lives, but there's some underlying dangers that we may

(10:41):
not have thought about.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I think it is fair to say. And then let
me give you a little context. I founded and managed
Clarkson Law Firm, which is about a thirty lawyer public
interest law firm headquartered out in Malibu, California. We bring
federal and state cases throughout California and the country, involving
class actions and mass actions against the largest corporations in

(11:05):
the world, and many of our cases these days are
against big tech. A couple of years ago, when the
world was kind of taken by storm by CHATCHYBT and
the AI arms race was launched, we filed a couple
of groundbreaking cases against big tech companies like open Ai

(11:27):
and Google, and the one against Google involved the mass
theft of everyone's personal copyrighted works on behalf of authors
in order to train the large language models that fuel
their AI chatbots like Bard and what is now known

(11:47):
as Gemini. And as a result of those lawsuits, we
started talking with people all over the country about their
engagement with artificial intelligence tools, and we heard from concerned citizens,
potential clients, whistleblowers, thought leaders, policymakers, nonprofit leaders, all sounding

(12:10):
the alarm bells about what they were seeing out in
the world, and that led to other lawsuits involving artificial
intelligence tools, such as our work against the big healthcare companies,
against Menu, against employers of employees and workers working in

(12:30):
the AI economy, the gig economy, and then false advertising
cases against companies using AI technologies making promises about what
their products can do but learning that it's really just
AI washing, a form of deception.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Ran when I first started really investigating AI and its
potential benefits. I was told and we saw a lot
of articles you saw as well, one of the big
positive editions of AI would be in the medical field,
medical advancements. But also as we look now, since we're
more informed on the heels of the recent cuts to Medicaid,

(13:12):
there's some reporting out there that shows that the Trump
administration plans to launch a pilot program in the coming
months that will utilize AI to determine Medicare coverage.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
To reconcile the medical advancements in which AI could be
helpful versus how AI is being yoused, probably incorrectly inappropriately
in regard to Medicare coverage.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
What am I missing in this specsion.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well, I think we're all missing. We're all missing something,
and that is when is the technological advancement going to
come that's going to be this big benefit to side society,
because I don't think we've seen it yet. What we
have seen is record profits from the biggest tech companies

(14:04):
in the world who are kind of blowing up this
artificial intelligence bubble. So it seems where it's adding trillions
of dollars of market cap to all of these companies
while socializing harms that ordinary people are experiencing every day,

(14:26):
whether it is driving children into loneliness and depression and
self harm and in some cases suicide, whether it's leading
the job loss because corporations don't want to invest in,
you know, in teaching and developing workers, whether it is

(14:46):
you know, through deception and impacting consumers back pockets by
promising them one thing, taking their money in exchange for it,
but delivering something that doesn't satisfy those promises. What you've
identified in the in the medicare context is pretty alarming
because our firm is prosecuting three hugely important cases against

(15:10):
the largest health insurers in the country, one against United Healthcare,
one against Humana, and one against Signa, and those cases
involve the use of artificial intelligence tools and advanced algorithms
to supplant the the expertise of licensed physicians and determining

(15:32):
whether or not they should get the healthcare they're entitled to,
or you know, preventing people from access to diagnostic testing
and services that would help either diagnose their conditions after
which they could treat it or understand what's going on
with them, you know, from a health perspective, and what

(15:55):
the administration is rolling out in January is they are
notizing through what they call, you know, a test of
sorts in six states, they're going to use artificial intelligence
technology in making decisions around access to Medicare. And you know,

(16:18):
if there's any thing that can be learned from our
lawsuits and what is happening to our clients and the
classes of individuals who are trying to hold a big
private health insurers to account, we need to be very
vigilant and ensure that the same thing doesn't happen in
the private in the public.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Context, everything you said resonates with me. I'm a guy
who's in my mid almost now later fifty, so I
have to start thinking about these issues of medicare and
healthcare coverage much more specifically with consideration of AI. But
I know that the people watching right now might be

(17:00):
in their thirties or not really into the idea of
concerning themselves with Medicare. They just have their Apple iPhone
and they said, none of this has anything to do
with me. But I know that you can make it
relevant for someone who's younger, who may believe that Apple
and they may think that well, AI is helping improve

(17:21):
my pictures. I can use social media much more seamlessly
thanks to AI. But I'm quite sure you can tell
us how, especially with the corporation of Apple, that AI
may not be the panacea that some may think.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, well, let me try to make it relevant by
explained the following. Each of us have parents, we have grandparents,
and there are seven to over seventy million Americans on
Medicare advantage plans. These are private Medicare like plans that

(17:58):
allow the old generation, our parents and grandparents to access
medical care when they need it. And in many, many examples,
we represent you know, dozens of folks and have spoken
to hundreds of people, and we know that it's that

(18:18):
this is happening on a huge scale. People are being
denied their health care after it's causing you know, an
acceleration in their demise in some cases death. We know
that this is happening. So some of our clients, for example,
will go in for a surgery. Let's say they fall,

(18:39):
they break a hip, they need hip surgery, and let's
say that their surgeon states that they they're going to
need post acute care and a rehab facility for about
a month. Right, that's the that's the recommendation. Okay, that's
the prescription. The big health insurers are using artificial intelligence

(19:01):
tools to guide their decision making. So if the AI
tool says mom or Dad only gets eight days or
ten days or twelve days in the post acute rehab facility,
guess on day thirteen, they're being kicked up. And what
happens is that person has to either forego care entirely

(19:23):
or they're gonna have to pay out of pocket. So
you've got folks that are going home, they're not ready,
they're falling again. They may die as a result of that,
as some of our clients have, or they're wasting their
life savings on medical care that they're entitled to under
their programs. And what we've done here is, as we've

(19:47):
relied more and more on these artificial intelligence tools, we've
just taken the humanity out of the doctor patient relationship.
And at the end of the day, that's the only
opinion that should matter is the doctor's opinion.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Right on the broader AI landscape, we were talking most
recently about AI and healthcare, but on the broader landscape,
are there certain bad actors who are worse than others.
And we may think of big tech in terms of
companies like Alphabet or Apple or Meta, but I don't

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know if they should be all perceived in that same box.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Are they all equally bad actors?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Are there some who are are more good faith actors?

Speaker 4 (20:32):
It's a good question. It appears that there is a
huge incentive among all corporations to try to leverage the
perceived or actual power of artificial intelligence so that they
can they can respond to their shareholder's interests in increasing

(20:52):
profits and minimizing costs. That seems to be the big
corporate focus right now. And so different corporations are using
it in different ways. But the big tech firms have
the artificial intelligence tools that are being adopted more broadly
among companies. And so you see chatchpt from open Ai,

(21:16):
and you see Gemini from Google and Copilot from Microsoft.
Right all these corporations are adopting this, and then you
have to think about how they're using it. And then
there are other technologies. Typically they're chatbots that are causing
you sounding alarm bells. An example would be character ai,

(21:37):
which has a chatbot that was marketed to parents and
children to essentially create and cultivate, you know, their own
characters that they could then engage with like human beings.
And what we saw in happening in that situation were

(21:59):
horrible outcomes with AI psychosis and loneliness and depression, and
in some cases these chatbots radicalizing, isolating, and then coaching
children users to take their own lives. And this has

(22:20):
been well documented and the subject of a number of
recent lawsuits. It's tragic, it's heartbreaking, and so, you know,
to answer your question, I think you got to look
at the negative outcomes associated with these technologies to determine
which ones need to be discontinued and pulled from the
market or rained in in a responsible way.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, I don't know how you managed to do it,
Attorney Ryan Clarks, and how you've managed to not only
wrap your mind around some of these larger issues but
also can be an advocate in a world we don't
even know where this technology is headed. But we can
see some of the warning signs, but we don't necessarily
know where it is headed. And that's why this is

(23:05):
going to be an ongoing conversation not only here on
The Mark Thompson Show, but all around the world. And
I appreciate you, Ryan for being on the front lines
to not only protect Americans, but protect those who in
future generations will have to deal with the consequences of
the decisions that we're making right now with AI want
to thank you for coming on the show today.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Ryan, Thanks so much for the opportunity, good speaking with you.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I appreciate you. There you go. I mean, that's it's
a huge.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Being the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
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Speaker 3 (24:00):
Go ahead, Kim Oh, We've got one from Wren who
throws in twenty says, thank you the Mark Thompson Show
for connecting us more closely with Jim avela heartfelt sympathy
for you all and for Jim's family as well. Bren,
thank you for that much appreciated. Really, and then Karen
Kleiner with a fifty saying Jim and his famous drop

(24:21):
and if we could, I'm not sure. If we have it,
we'll do it. Try to do it one more time.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
There's always been in this country thirty to thirty five
percent idiots.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Thank you all. He is not wrong as a matter
of fact. One from Jane oh Man so sad upon
about hearing the news loved Jim avela. Yeah, I know
many of us feel the same way. We got a
message from Copper with the five Hey, Mark Thompson showers.
Today is my birthday and I'm having knee replacement surgery tomorrow,

(24:51):
so please send me your good vibes and send them
we shall and happy birthday to you. Yeah, we had birthday.
It's a big for birthday. Is happy birthday to Copper.
And I know everything will go well with your surgery,
so I just hope your recovery is swift. Another couple
from Richard Delamater says GM remarkables, has anybody heard from Ukraine?

(25:14):
It's so interesting. We have kind of let that topic
languish as we have the shutdown and so many other
important things to talk about. So yeah, I know I
did read something about Ukraine. Richard about how the EU
is really stepping up and getting more involved and looking
at ways that they can can help. Chaplain Fred with

(25:36):
ten Hello, everyone, adding AI to healthcare will have horrible consequences.
I do hospice care and lots of my patients are
losing medical Medicaid and Medicare, especially vets, he writes, and
it is horrible. Thank you for that, Chaplain Fred. Yeah,
Susan with a twenty you will be missed, Jim Avola
rest in paradise, she writes, Susan, thank you, Thank you.

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And Ron Cook with twenty supersticker, Thank you.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
Ron.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Appreciate you as well, a lot of great contributions to
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So we definitely appreciate that so much.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
We do appreciate.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Each and every one of your donations. And let's get
to some of the other topics of news today here
on The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know if I should celebrate. I don't know
if I should throw my hands up and say yeah.
I don't know if it's good news. But the government
is now open, whatever that means. We know the President
has officially signed the funding bill to officially end the shutdown,
but we're not back to normal. It's not like all
the air traffic controllers have returned to work. It's not

(26:53):
like the lasting effects of the shutdown we're not still
dealing with. So, even though the government is open, how
that's going to filter down and how long it's going
to take for it to filter down is a little
bit less clear. But here's something that I do know.
The House is, according to Speaker Mike Johnson, they agreed

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to vote next week on the Epstein files. Supposedly, in
this discharge petition, we would get all of the Epstein files,
with the exception of redaction of certain names. I don't
know what that's going to look like. I don't know
what that's going to read like. I don't know if
it's going to come out in tranches, once a week,

(27:36):
everything at once over the period of months.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
But this is one thing I do know, and there's
history to support what I'm getting ready to tell you
there will be some sort of summary document that the
administration is either going to create or some sort of
narrative that the administration is going to offer as some

(28:01):
sort of comprehensive analysis of the totality of the Epstein documents.
Whatever is going to be released, they're going to put
through spin on it in advance.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Go ahead, Kim, what.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Do you what do you mean by that? What kind
of narrative? Like you mean, they're going to try to
tell you what's in it when you know, try to
get you not to really look at it, try to
get you to look away.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
What do you mean, how did you know? You're very
savvy in that.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
And we remember what Bill Barr did as Attorney General,
and I expect the same with Pam Bondy.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
We remember with Bill Barr.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
And his summarization of the Motor Report, and he basically said,
there's no there there.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
He's been completely exonerated.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I'm paraphrasing, but that was the spin and presentation put
on it happened.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
He right, completely exonerated.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
That was a lie. That was a lie.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
But going back to the late Jim Avola, thirty five
percent of people out there are idiots, and most people
are probably not going to read through the totality of
whatever is released. The hundreds of emails or see all
the photographs or know about all the video, or know
about all the telephone exchanges or whatever evidence may be

(29:16):
connected to the Florida investigation and also the New York investigation,
and also the previous incidents or any type of communication.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
In between times. We may not see all of that.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
And also the Epstein files could be inclusive of things
with Elay Maxwell. All I'm saying is, since it covers
a period of twenty years or so, most Americans will
not choose to read through all of it. None of
America is going to look at any of that with

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an open mind. We've all pretty much made up our
minds and we're not going to read all of it.
We're not going to look through all of it. And
I say all that to say that the White ho
is going to do what has been done previously in
the previous Trump administration and try to characterize all of it.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
And put some sort of spit shine.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
On whatever's released and tell you, and I can tell
you right now, everything that's released does not implicate the president.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's what they're going to say.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I don't know how it, but that's what they are
going to say. And they're going to dare you to
actually research and look at all the individual pieces of
evidence and communication and documentation, which will probably tell you
a very different story, not probably definitely tell you different story.
If it wasn't going to tell you different story, they

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would have released all the documents a long time ago,
and they wouldn't have had this this super secret or
not quite super secret meeting with Lauren Bobert and also
the Situation Room strategy meeting to put together how they're
going to respond. You don't do that unless there's a
question of implication. Now, I'm not saying that what is

(31:06):
going to come out is going to show Trump in
some sort.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Of compromised position.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't know if there's going to be some picture
or some video or some smoking gun email. I don't
know that, But I do know you don't need a
strategy meeting in advance of this release. If everything was
just fine, go ahead, Kim.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Oh, no, it's totally right. You don't need a strategy
meeting ahead of the release. If there's really no they're there, right,
And yesterday Caroline Levitt, the White House spokesperson, said, you know,
they confirmed that there were this, there were these meetings
in the situation room with Lauren Bobert. Uh Like, she said,
a key member of Congress and what have you, and

(31:46):
then said mo that we are very transparent because we
told you about the meeting. If they were very transparent,
they would just release the.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
File files with no meeting.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Right, here's Bobert who's admitting that, yeah there was a meeting,
and yeah she was there.

Speaker 9 (32:06):
The president never asked me to take my name off.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
Of the discharge petition, but he was degraded concerns.

Speaker 11 (32:12):
Bug, you're taking that position.

Speaker 9 (32:14):
The president has not forced me to do anything. The
President has not put pressure on me. I was not
asked by the president to remove my name. Every conversation
that I had was welcomed and very civil.

Speaker 10 (32:26):
And you know, it's.

Speaker 9 (32:27):
Okay for being able to have discussions about things that
are going on with our niece.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Okay, that's you talk about transparency. There's no need to
have a meeting specifically with Congresswoman Bobert unless there was
concern or some sort of preference as to her actions.
So let's dispel that notion right now. And also, you

(32:54):
don't have to specifically and directly say, Lauren Bourbert, take
your name off discharge petition. She if you notice in
that video and Albert, I may want you to play
it again, she was answering questions not asked by the interviewer. Okay,

(33:16):
play that again. She answers questions about being asked to
take her name off, being asked to do this.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
No, no, no, that wasn't the implication.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
That wasn't the ask She's answering very specific questions and
she's probably telling the truth in the specificity that the
Trump Trump did not ask her to do X, Y
and Z. But the understanding just by walking in the
room is we have to at least get our stories
together or we hope you understand that this is very
concerning to the White House. As everything was fine and

(33:48):
there was no concern about what Lauren Lauren Bobert was
going to do, then there's no need to speak to
her and specifically to her. Listen to this again.

Speaker 9 (34:00):
President never asked me to take my name off of
the discharge.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
Petition, but he was the raising concerns.

Speaker 11 (34:06):
Budgeling, you're taking that position.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
The President does not forced me to do anything. The
President has not a questure on me.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I was not.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Asked my name.

Speaker 9 (34:15):
Every conversation that I had was welcomed and very civil
and you know, it's okay for aple to have discussions
about things that are going on with our niece.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
And no one asked any of that, none of that. No,
so see it for what it is. She's giving information.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
You know, she could have said, you know, they had
a fine charcouterie played up in there.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
No one asked that.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
But but the point was you specifically were asked to
meet with the DJ and Trump administration leadership to talk
about the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
No one asked how the conversation went in the sense
of whether it was Sibyl.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Now you may say in advance, well, the president did
not ask asked me to take my name off the
discharge petition, But the understanding was the president is not
comfortable with the discharge petition. Otherwise there's no reason to
even to discuss the discharge petition. I'm insulting our intelligence

(35:17):
and also, Albert, let's play the other video where we
get a broader understanding of the meeting and what was
hoped to be accomplished.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
From ABC News.

Speaker 12 (35:30):
Pressure campaign is underway here at the White House, targeting
House Republicans and the release of the Epstein files. Now clearly,
Speaker Mike Johnson said there will be a vote next
week by the full House whether to vote to release
the Epstein files, calling on the Department of Justice to
release the files. Clearly, the White House does not want
that to happen. That became clear on Wednesday when there

(35:53):
was an extraordinary meeting that was held here at the
White House. The Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, FB
director all met with one Member of Congress, Lauren Bobert
of Colorado, urging her to not sign onto this what's
called a discharge petition that is basically voting to allow

(36:14):
the House to have a bigger vote. She said that, look,
she is going to support the release of the Epstein file.
So this extraordinary meeting here at the Situation Room in
the White House clearly did not go as planned. But
for the next week, this pressure campaign is still so
important because the White House does not want there to
be some major defection of House Republicans to vote for

(36:37):
the release of this file. So, for all the efforts
that President Trump has done to try and move beyond
Jeffrey Epstein, that still very much hangs over him, at
least for the next week.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Met with one member of Congress, just one, not even
the full Republican conference, just one member. And you want
me to believe, Lauren Bobert, you want me to believe
that it really had nothing to do with you and
your signature being one of the necessary two hundred and

(37:12):
eighteen for that discharge petition. You're insulting my intelligence, or
maybe you just assumed a thirty to thirty five percent
of idiots out there will go ahead and buy it.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
There's already and you can see that this is the
kind of thing that it will be used. Antifa bog
says there's no evidence of any crimes in these plus
the emails look fake. Earlier I wrote writing that you
know this is just the pick and choose what Democrats
want to put out there, that it's it's all partisan.
Why here's the thing, Trying to manufacture a defense before

(37:50):
you even really look at the evidence seems very telling.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
And if you want to excuse or deny the oftenicity
of something in advance, then we know there is a
degree of authenticity to it. All you got to do
is release all the files and then let the chips
fall what they may, and then we can start picking
through which supposedly is incriminating or fake or not. And

(38:19):
we know those are going to be the responses no
matter what. And we talked about this yesterday. You know
you can show Trump by the pool side with fourteen
year old girls. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm
just saying you can show all of that and it
won't penetrate the magabase, but it could chip away around
the edges as far as some of his support, which

(38:41):
is not fully MAGA, but maga to or for all
of its failings, for all of its issues, they have
been very consistent in its public messaging. Do not believe
anyone else with the exception of what Donald Trump or
his administration tells you, and that playbook is going to continue.

(39:01):
Something else as part of that playbook as we move
forward has to do with how this administration has been
obsessed with just optics. Now, every presidential administration and every
elected official has some level of concern with optics. It's
always a consideration, but the Trump administration has focused on

(39:23):
the performative aspect of it, the things which are symbolic
much more than substantive. And this is something I've been
very critical with the Democrats and even the no Kings
marchers like that symbolically is great substantive Not so much
elections are substantive. This administration is performance politics on steroids.

(39:47):
You see Pete Hegseth with doing the pull ups and
the pushups. You have Donald Trump and his tough rhetoric
and talking about killing people and blowing up people. That's
all performance based politics. That's not actual legislative agenda. And
so when it comes to the Epstein files, they're going

(40:10):
to be hypervigilant to make sure that they push back
on anything which is in opposition to that idea. And
I'll give you another example of the performance politics of
it all. We know that the Trump administration has signed
an executive order, the President Trump has changing the Pentagon

(40:31):
and the DD from the Department of Defense to the
Department of War. Did you know that's going to cost taxpayers,
You know, for those who are concerned about taxes, some
two million dollars to change all the signs, to change
all the letterhead, to change all the inner workings of
the Department of Defense and the Pentagon to the Department

(40:51):
of War.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
And you would think, why is that important? It isn't
the money is important.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
The change in name is not important, then you would ask, well,
why would they do it? That's performance politics. It's about
the idea of presenting this tough facade. And I appreciate
Kim how you mentioned like you had seen my martial
arts tests and what I do for martial arts, and
it's a good reference point for me. When you are

(41:21):
actually tough, or if you are wanting to project strength,
the last thing you do is put it on a wall.
The last thing you do is make it as part
of a campaign. It's an advertisement. The last thing you
do is change your name to we arethtough dot com. No, no, no,
well I'm an alpha male. Now if you have to

(41:43):
proclaim it as a way to convince people, then I
have to wonder are you trying to convince yourself or
you're trying to convince me. If you put on your
social media profile that you're an alpha male, I immediately
wonder are there some latent internal personal issues that you're
struggling with, because it seems like you're trying to like

(42:06):
speak speak truth to power, or look at the mirror
and say I am tough today, like it's an affirmation.
You walk around the house, every mirror you see, I
am an alpha male. Oh guess what, I am an
alpha male. Now there's another mirror. I am an alpha male.
And you change the syllables for emphasis to make it
seem different, because deep down inside, you're not. For whatever

(42:29):
it's worth, this administration has all been about performative politics,
showing people doing pushups, showing people doing pull ups, changing
name of the Department of Defense to the Department of War.
And that's a part of blowing up fishing boats in
international waters.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
It's a it's a marketing campaign.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I just I wonder that you why you don't tell
people right out of the gate, like the first thing
you meet. Time you meet someone, you don't say, Hi,
I'm MO Kelly. I'm a fifth degree black belt, like
you don't say that. No, I've never said that.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
If you look at my profile, there's a picture of
me on threads at least in my black belt. And
if you read my slug it'll say in Korean letters,
hop ketoh.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
But I never go around and say I'm billy badass.
Of course not.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
But you know, no one thing I hope MO is
that they're saving all of the signs they take down
and all of the old stationary that someone has the
forethought to set those things aside so that when Trump
is out of office and the whole mago thing is
please blown over. This is from my sincere hope that

(43:46):
we managed to come out the other side of this,
that it's going to cost a lot less than two
billion to flip that name back because we've saved all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Therein lies the larger question, kim.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
My question is not only undoing the flimsy performative public declarations,
but what do we do to take the government back
to a place of stability. How do we undo the larger,
more substantial changes like, for example, the cuts in education,

(44:20):
the cuts to the EPA, the federal workers who've been fired.
How do we get to some level of governmental stability
and national stability that we had prior to this iteration
of the Trump administration, where the country is on a

(44:40):
more secure footing. I mean, it's nice we can get
back to the Department of Defense. It would be nice
if we had a Secretary of Defense and not a
Secretary of War who was more concerned about keeping America safe.
It would be nice that we'd have an FBI director
with a modicum of experience who was not part of

(45:00):
who is not about the business of only forwarding cases
and investigations against the president's perceived enemies, and focus more
on keeping America safe. I worry about those things much
more deeply, and I'm much more concerned about what it's
going to take to get back to that.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
It's not just changing a person.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
It's not just removing cash patl and putting in someone
who is less ridiculous. There are some institutional changes the
Cash Pattel has made that you just can't undo with
a magic wand people, the institutional knowledge which has left
the FBI since cash Patil is there, the people who
have retired in the military, the generals who are in,

(45:45):
admirals who have been forced out and retired. Things to
Pete hegseeth, you can't go back in regard that we've
lost so much institutional knowledge and with that the ability
to effectively protect America from enemies both foreign and domestic.
I don't know how you get back to where we

(46:06):
were before because.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
You don't have the people there.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
No it, we'll never get back to the same place,
but hopefully we'll get back to some semblance of it.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
But it's going to take.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
As Michelle writes, there a long time you just think
about the judges that are in place, the policies, you
have to untangle all, you know, all the damage done.
It seems like the easiest things are changing the placards
on the side of a building, changing the the you know,
Gulf of America name back to the Gulf of Mexico.
Like those are the easy ones that you know, that

(46:41):
don't really even matter that much, that they just did
to kind of take attention off of other things. Yeah,
that it's that it's the more insidious, you know, who
they put in power and this whole project twenty twenty five,
you know, kind of placing people in these strategic positions.
Those are those are the dark ways that they've done

(47:01):
things that it's gonna take a lot longer to untangle,
I think.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
And even the things that you can untangle, there are
some things that we will not ever be able to
untangle or undo or rectify. And that has to do
with the Supreme Court. That's going to be another thirty
forty years of the Trump legacy. And although we may
not have liked the addition of Amy Cony Barrett or

(47:27):
Brett Kavanaugh or Neil Gorsich.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
They're not going anywhere, and Trump.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Could leave office or leave this earth today, that's not
going to change. And regardless of whoever is subsequently going
to be in the Oval office, we still have to do.
We have to deal with a MAGA adjacent and MAGA friendly, sympathetic,
however you want to characterize it. Supreme Court, and the
degree of partisanship that we're struggling with in America right

(47:55):
now does not end with the end of the Trump administration.
We've talked about how MAGA is not necessarily going to
go away just because Trump may not be around now.
They may not coalesce around a single individual in the
same way. We know it's not going to be jd Vance.
We know that it's not going to be someone like

(48:15):
Ron DeSantis that may not have a titular head at
the top of MAGA, but at least the underlying aspects
of my MAGA are going to continue. On how that's
going to work, I'm not sure. It may not have
that focused blitz or the chaos or flooding the zone

(48:36):
that we've seen with Donald Trump that particular person, but
you can best believe someone is going to vie for
that mantle. I expect Tom Cotton to be running for president.
We know it's going to be JD. Vance, even though
he's not the heir apparent. There are a number of
people who want to succeed Trump administration of Donald Trump,

(48:58):
and there will be a healthy component of MEGA to
support that person. It may not avail itself in the
same way that it has with Donald Trump, but it's
definitely not going away. And the clearest example of that
is the Supreme Court, which has bent over backwards to
accommodate just about most things MEGA.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah, that's going to have a lasting impact on our society.
But you're talking when we're talking about the institutional knowledge
and all the people that have left. I forgot to
mention that it being okay now to be blatantly racist, right,
because that's kind of what government's doing and getting rid

(49:39):
of people for being a specific gender or a specific
race with their whole anti DEI thing, Like, how do
we come back from that? Because we had society going
in the right direction, you don't discriminate on the basis
of you know, race, gender, religion, what have you. And
now it becomes okay to do that with even the

(50:00):
courts backing up some of Trump's policies in this regard.
So I don't know, Like it's not only renaming things,
but it kind of took us in the wrong direction.
We went back down the road in a social way
as well.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, you make a great point, because there's the cultural
significance and impact of what MAGA has done to America,
and there's also the legislative and judicial impact of MEGA.
We can talk about how we are much more course
towards one another as Americans, we can talk about the
rise of racism and Nazism in this particular moment, but

(50:40):
we also have to talk about the judicial impact along
those lines, the further gutting of the Voting Rights Act.
We don't know what's going to happen. Let's be honest,
with gay marriage in the next year or two. So culturally,
socially obviously it's much worse. But I also am thinking

(51:03):
about the legal and judicial components to this, which I
don't know will ever be able to undo. Like, for example,
it took fifty years, just about fifty years for Roe v.
Wade to be overturned. I don't know if Roe v.
Wade per se is ever coming back. Ever, if only

(51:25):
because we know the ideological makeup of this Supreme Court
all but ensures against that that six to three majority
makes it not virtually impossible, actually impossible for us to
return to the world before Roe v. Wade was overturned
and that Dobbs decision. Even though you have people like

(51:49):
Justice Thomas saying that there is no such thing as
settled law. Well, that may be true now, thanks to you,
but since you have that six' to three, majority that
means more than any that math is, insurable. Insurmountable yeah
more fifteen hundred says even After, trump conservatives will still
be attacking the safety, net voting, rights et.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Cetera luis with a five. Thanks louise, says what f
happened The states'? Rights The Justice department just sued to
stop the passage Of prop. Fifty funny how they aren't
taking action Against. Texas hashtag Hypocrisy AND i say this.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
More and, more And louis has it.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Right BUT i bristled when we say hypocrisy because that
hearkens back to a time in which standards and principles.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Mattered your word.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Mattered, yes all politicians, lie but there were certain things
which were more egregious than, others and, hypocrisy.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Shame they don't have any value.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Anymore AND i try to tell people who SAY i
can't believe how hypocritical The republicans are or how Shameful
Donald trump may, Act it's like you cannot shame the.
Shameless you can't talk about hypocrisy to someone which it
has no discernible. Value Donald trump has no problem lying

(53:15):
as a drop of a hat about the, weather about
the number of attendees to an, inauguration about what he
had to eat last, night about his, height about his,
weight about his.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Health and you're.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Thinking that hypocrisy or truth is going to matter during
this time In. America absolutely.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Not it hasn't mattered To it hasn't mattered To Maga land.
Either some of these things you think it are so
hypocritical that it's hard not to see.

Speaker 10 (53:45):
It.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Right you can't come out against one thing and then
do it in a more egregious. Way but people don't
aren't looking, people or they don't want to.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
See look each and every. Day i'm, hopeful But i'm not.
Optimistic i'm hopeful that we will be able to get
through this. Moment WOULD i say relatively. UNSCATHED i mean
like no civil, war no nuclear, war no event which
fundamentally kills thousands of thousands of. PEOPLE i was very

(54:18):
scared during the, pandemic and we lost hundreds of thousands
of people, UNNECESSARILY i believe due to the inaction and
the dismissal OF covid By Donald. Trump we heard all
the audio in his conversations With woodward talking about the

(54:39):
impending impact OF, covid and then we lost a Million
AMERICANS i would say two three hundred thousand my personal, estimate.
UNNECESSARILY i know of ten people personal lead THAT i
lost due TO. COVID i will never forget, that and

(55:00):
there's certain PEOPLE i will never forgive because of. That
and this is WHY i hope we can get through
this time without another situation or a pandemic or a
war in which we lose hundreds of thousands of people.
Unnecessarily and with, THAT i think it's time for a

(55:23):
news update from, You.

Speaker 13 (55:25):
Kim i'll do it.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
The Mark Thompson.

Speaker 11 (55:29):
Show let's do.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
It here Comes albert On The Mark Thompson. Show I'm Kim.
McAllister this report sponsored By Coachella valleycoffee Dot, com a
bill that calls on The Justice department to release all
of It's Jeffrey epstein case files will be voted on

(55:54):
in The house next, week with a discharge position now
a petition now reaching the two hundred eight teen signatures.
Needed How Speaker Mike johnson is required to put the
bill on the floor very. Soon Democratic congresswoman At Elite
abrihalva becomes the two hundred eighteenth signature on that discharge
petition shortly after she was sworn in yesterday. Afternoon this

(56:16):
follows the release of emails From epstein to his associates
At Glain, maxwell as well as a journalist that Referenced,
trump claiming in one message That trump knew about the.
Girls air travel should start to normalize with the end
of the, shutdown but the flight delays will still. Persist
flights have been cut due to staffing, shortages as air

(56:37):
traffic controllers have had to work without, pay many were
calling in. Sick DELTA'S ceo says air travel should return
to normal by the, weekend but nearly a thousand flights
have been canceled and more than thirteen hundred delayed as
of last. Check here's something about that shutdown bill that's
a little. Strange the hemp industry bracing for this change

(56:58):
After congress Passed legend with a surprise provision to ban
nearly all hemp derived consumer. Products hemp is a derivative
of the cannabis, plant legalized in the twenty Eighteen Farm
bill for industrial uses like, rope, textiles and, seed but
the law's broad definition created a loophole in federal rules ON.

(57:19):
Thchc the new ban will outlaw products containing more than
zero point four milligrams of total thchc per, container which
industry executives say will wipe out ninety five percent of
this twenty eight billion dollar hemp retail market when it
takes effect in a. Year THE Us department Of justice

(57:41):
suing to Block california from enacting its newly drawn congressional district.
Map the complaint filed In california federal court, today targeting the,
map drawn to Benefit democrats and approved by voters in
the Majority democratic. State The trump administration is asking the
court to ban the use of this. Map it Accuses
california of racial jurymandering in violation of The constitution by

(58:06):
using race as a factor to Favor latino. Voters last,
week The California Republican party filed a similar. Suit Governor
Gavin newsom says the mid decade redistricting was in response
To texas approving a new district line or lines to Benefit.
Republicans there how come that file in a suit Against

(58:26):
california and Not?

Speaker 13 (58:27):
TEXAS?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Mo what's that?

Speaker 14 (58:28):
ABOUT i don't want to use the word, hypocrisy but
you KNOW i feel about that hashtag.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
HYPOCRISY a judge will decide if the federal cases Against
New York Attorney General Letitia james and FORMER Fbi Director
James comey should be tossed out in a hearing. Today
their lawyers claim the appointment Of Lindsay, halligan their, prosecutor
as THE Us attorney for The Eastern, district was. Unlawful

(58:54):
the judge didn't make a, ruling but is expected to By.
Thanksgiving police are on the hunt for a person who
tried to confront ACTING Us attorney For New, Jersey Alina
habba in a. Post Attorney General Pam bondi said last
night an individual attempted to Confront habba and destroyed property
in her, office then fled the. Scene bondi Says hobbo

(59:16):
was not. Harmed President trump set to pardon Billionaire Joe,
lewis the eighty eight year old whose family owns a
majority stake in The london Based Tottenham hotspur soccer, club
pleaded guilty to insider trading and was fined five million
dollars by A New york judge in twenty twenty. Four
according to reports From The, athletic the presidential pardon was

(59:37):
influenced By lewis's age and the fact that, he they,
say did not personally profit from insider. Trading lewis requested
the right, quote didn't yeah. Right lewis requested the pardon
to receive medical treatment and visit his family in The United,
states and now he will be allowed to enter the
country for the first time since his. Sentencing pardon all

(59:59):
the those. Criminals Senator John fetterman says he's okay after
falling near his home during a morning walk. TODAY a
spokesperson for The Pennsylvania democrats said he was transported to
a hospital out of an abundance of. Caution fetterman was
found to have had ventricular, fibrillation a fla up of
it that caused him to feel lightheaded and. Fall the

(01:00:22):
second of Two Major league baseball pitchers accused of taking
bribes in an alleged gambling scheme is being. Arraigned Cleveland
guardians Pitcher Emmanuel clayse was taken into custody after arriving
At New York's JOHN. F Kennedy airport from The Dominican
republic this. Morning he and his Teammate Luis ortiz allegedly

(01:00:42):
accepted bribes from the betters and then intentionally threw balls
on certain. Pitches so here comes the the the arraignment
these guys and, you as you mentioned, earlier you, know
this is the tip of the. Iceberg we're probably going
to see more of this type of. Thing SO i
want to mention That Health Secretary ROBERT. F Kennedy Junior's

(01:01:05):
panel Of Federal Vaccine advisors are set to meet next
month to discuss vaccine schedules for children of they are
according TO.

Speaker 13 (01:01:14):
Us, yeah this is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Concerning according to A Federal register, notice the panel will
convene On december fourth for discussions on vaccine, safety childhood
and adolescent immunization, schedule And HEPATITIS b. Vaccines not clear
what other changes the panel could, discuss aside from HEPATITIS,
b but The trump administration has been advocating to break

(01:01:36):
up the combined measles month's rubella shot given to. Children
the panel's recommendation can influence insurance, coverage as most private
insurers are required to cover the shots that they the board,
recommends so this can be a big.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Deal CAN i interject there? PLEASE i think about and
this goes back to the. PANDEMIC i think about how
this country is fundamentally change with its views towards vaccines
over and above JUST covid specifically because of the. Pandemic
and we had a student OBVIOUSLY i can't use the

(01:02:11):
student's name in my Hop kito CLASS i was teaching
last week who came in and unbeknownst to, US i
guess was a carrier for chicken. Pox because the student
two days later came down with chicken, pox and so
we had to let everyone know in the studio and

(01:02:33):
their parents said there was an exposure to chicken. POX
i had chicken pox WHEN i was, seventeen AND i
also got it in my martial arts class because there
was a kid who had chicken pox who came to
class and basically infected. Everyone that was a good thirty
eight years. Ago since, then we've had the chicken pox.

(01:02:55):
VACCINE i don't know if it's a part of the mandatory,
schedule but from WHAT i, Know, kim please correct, me,
most if not just about all kids get the chicken pox.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Vaccine mine both. Dead but because of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
This, pandemic we have parents who are resisting any and all.
Vaccines AND i say that because the student five years,
old go back five.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Years we're in the throes of the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Pandemic and it's because of this change in our country
we have created these other problems that we're dealing. WITH
i know my story is, anecdotal but its indicative of
WHAT i believe is a larger issue in this. Country
the things going back to our last, discussion the things
that we're not going to be able to, undo correct

(01:03:48):
or somehow improve, immediately just because there may be a
change of someone in The oval.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Office.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Uh this is very. Scary AND i think if you
have been putting off a, vaccine you meant to get
it for your, child the have b maybe you were
waiting a couple of. Years perhaps don't wait right because
you don't know with these people in, charge whether the
vaccines that will protect your specially daughters from getting certain
types of. Cancer down the road will be the option

(01:04:19):
will be taken away from you and you will not
be able to protect your. Child we don't know what
they're going to. Do but maybe you talk about being
optimistic or not being. Optimistic i'm not optimistic on this.
One gotta tell.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
You i'm just. HOPEFUL i am. Hopeful in other, WORDS
i hope everything's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Okay and that's different from, optimism which suggests that there's
evidence to support that everything's going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Okay the attorney For Governor Gavin newsom's former chief of
staff is criticizing his client's. Arrest McGregor scott is the
attorney For Dana, williamson accused of stealing hundreds of thousands
of dollars in campaign. Funds scott calls it gran standing
by The department Of justice and The trump. Administration scott

(01:05:03):
also Telling politico That williamson was asked last year to
assist with AN fbi investigation Into Governor, newsom but. Declined
newsom is not implicated and the charges filed Against. Williamson
newsom's current chief of, Staff Nathan, barankin says there is
no basis for any federal investigation into the, Governor so

(01:05:23):
trying to kind of push aside the connection here With
Governor Gavin newsom's former chief of staff being arrested for
some pretty sketchy things with the. MONEY i READ mo
she allegedly bought a fifteen thousand dollars Perse chanel, purse
paid for one hundred and seventy thousand dollars birthday extravaganza

(01:05:46):
trip To. Mexico you'd think people would, learn well you
and thank. You you'd think people would be a LITTLE i, Mean,
okay MAYBE i don't have the mind of a, thief
but If i'm going to steal hundreds of thousands of
dollars like, That i'm not flaunting it Because i'm gonna
get caught IF i start walking into the office with
a purse that costs fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Grand, well whether you flaunted or, not there is a paper,
trail there is a financial, trail there is a digital.
Trail you're not going to spend one hundred and seventy
thousand dollars and it not lead back to you some.
Way and we've had enough people In california politics, alone
between THE La City council and the mayor's office who

(01:06:28):
have gone to, prison and THE La County board Of
supervisors in recent. Years for you to know that not
only are you likely to get, caught you're also going
to implicate the people around. You AND i, know as
the story, said this has nothing to do directly With
Governor Gavin. Newsom it has everything to do With Governor

(01:06:49):
Gavin newsom in the sense of the larger picture of
its presidential. Aspirations the opposition research and the efforts against
him have all already. Begun it doesn't mean that these
people are somehow not. Guilty, LOOK i know they're innocent
until proven guilty in the court of. Law but damn
if you spend one hundred and seventy thousand, dollars it

(01:07:10):
is not hard for them to track that back to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
You, yeah it would seem. SO i don't know why
people don't have that common, sense though.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Common sense ain't all that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Common california is revoking seventeen thousand commercial driver's licenses given
to undocumented. Immigrants state officials making the announcement, yesterday saying
the expiration dates on the licenses went past when the
drivers were legally allowed to be in The United, states
The trump administration has been highly critical Of california allowing

(01:07:41):
people in the, country they say illegally to have driver's.
Licenses Transportation Secretary Sean duffy calling the state's decision an
admission that it acted. Improperly california started taking a closer
look at the driver's license the driver's licenses that it
had issued After duffy raised concern that's seventeen thousand commercial

(01:08:02):
driver's licenses to people that are here in an undocumented
way that will be, rescinded and one would have to
think that would affect.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Business, yeah there are intended, consequences in other, words the
political implications of why this is being, pursued and then
there are the unintended consequences of people who are the collateral,
damage if you, will of the people of the, businesses
the industries which will be impacted by the loss of these.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Individuals, now let me just be completely.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
TRANSPARENT i have never supported in a general sense driver
licenses for undocumented that's a different story for a different.
Day i've never supported, that But i've understood as far
as professional, licenses which is. Different and just like those
who who may sign up for military. Service you're providing

(01:08:56):
a service which is not necessarily dependent on your citizenship.
STATUS i would liking it to getting a green card or,
visa and you're doing a job inside a, country as
opposed to just existing for the just.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
The general public.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
UNDOCUMENTED i did not support do not support driver, licenses
but professional licenses for like truck, drivers is a completely
different discussion for.

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Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Guests frequent, Guests former federal Prosecutor David katz is going
to help try to make some sense out of this
nonsense which is happening In, WASHINGTON dc and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Beyond david katsch you there's good to talk to you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
AGAIN i, Sure i'm great to be with your.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Mouth let me just.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Put it like, This there's been some vascilation going back
and forth about whether this spit, bill which is reopening the,
government is going to have some sort of provision where senators.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Could sue over these phone.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Searches going back To Jack smith's, investigation do you know
anything about? That do you know where we might stand with?
It and Where Mike johnson is on this.

Speaker 15 (01:13:20):
And says that he's going to bring a stand alone
bill a mode to reverse.

Speaker 8 (01:13:25):
It of, course the question will be whether this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Is i'm not Hearing David. Kim are you Hearing David? David, Hello,
YES i could totally Hear David.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
David i'm not hearing. Anyone, Okay, Kim i'm, sorry it
must be my system. Again can you continue With. David
i'm having some computer.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Issues, Absolutely why don't you drop out and drop back
in Because david kats AND i go way back we
could take, This so, yeah please carry.

Speaker 15 (01:13:51):
ON i was just saying That speaker of The House
johnson has said that there will be a stand alone
bill in The house that he will bring forward to
do something about this. Outrage of, course the question is
whether the, senators The republican senators who've larded this bill
pretty much, secretly kind of in the dead of, night

(01:14:12):
whether they will do anything about. It and you, know
this will boomerang or backfire on. Them people were kind
of dubious they thought The, house of, course even after
The shenanigans with redistricting In texas and then our cure
fort In, california.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
They thought The house would Go.

Speaker 15 (01:14:27):
Republican Now i'm gradually more confident that The senate will go.
Democratic DID i say that The house will go democratic
that The senate will also go.

Speaker 8 (01:14:36):
DEMOCRATIC i can't believe that any of.

Speaker 15 (01:14:39):
These republican senators in close races that are up in a,
year can survive this self imposed. Scandal they have basically
found a way to make millions of DOLLARS i, said
millions of dollars in their own. Pocket and this law
that they snuck into the bill to keep the government
open again was was not publicized much to other. Senators it,

(01:15:03):
was of course that eleventh hour. Thing the whole thing
had to rush. Through no one could really stop it
because what would have. Happened we would have not opened
the government. Again we would have had all the planes
potentially crashing into each other without enough air traffic.

Speaker 8 (01:15:16):
Controls we would have had forty two million.

Speaker 15 (01:15:19):
People they're delayed, already but they have forty two million
PEOPLE snap recipients facing, hunger facing. Starvation so this was
a bill that The republican senators knew had.

Speaker 8 (01:15:29):
To move, through so they stuck in this.

Speaker 15 (01:15:32):
Provision IF i can explain it just a little bit,
better there is an idea that if the government commits
certain kinds of misconduct that you can get a, remedy
including a financial remedy if the. Government let's take a
situation WHERE i don't, know if you see those great
movies where they have to minimize phone, calls and so
when a suspect talks to their, attorney even if there's a,

(01:15:53):
wiretap the government cannot listen in on the attorney client
portion when the ask the attorney for. Advice there's a
very funny movie seen in one of those movies Like
casino or, whatever it's good Maybe, casino where the criminals
talk for like their girlfriends get on and talk for
like three or four minutes and now they have to

(01:16:15):
minimize or the lawyer gets on with, them and they
talked for a few, minutes said the cops have to,
minimize and then they talk about the real criminal stuff
that they want To knowing that the cops or THE
fbi can't, wiretap, well suppose they continue to listen. In
there's a ten thousand dollars fine for knowingly violating let's,
say the attorney client. Privilege So i'm turning that funny

(01:16:38):
thing on its logical. Head that there are some things
which are financial remedies against the. Government they're, rare and
of course the government tries very hard not to do.
Them The Republican senators as a group voted for this
and put this in. There now they're trying to blame
it on majority lead a, Fune but there's seven or
eight senators who Directly republican senators who directly financially gained from,

(01:17:01):
this and some of them are in swing. States there's
Two tennessee, senators there's another. One so here's how it.
Goes after The january sixth, riots there was a lot
of suspicion Who trump And Trump's White house had talked,
to including what senators maybe some senators had done tours
and those tours were actually ways to scout out right

(01:17:22):
to case the capital for these marauders who were going
to come. In maybe the senators were even in cahoots
with some of the. Marauders maybe not the extent of
what they were going to, do but that they.

Speaker 8 (01:17:35):
Had done some Things kim that were.

Speaker 15 (01:17:37):
Improper maybe they'd done no more than delay things that
Helped trump try to figure out how to not tamp things.
Down and, anyway there was reasonable suspicion that there had
been phone. Calls Did Jack, smith the special, prosecutor wiretap? Them,
no that is what my example was. About but, no
that is not what they. Did all that they did

(01:17:59):
was on the most suspicious. Senators they got what are
called pen. Registers, now WHEN i was an ASSISTANT us,
attorney these pen registers have been around.

Speaker 8 (01:18:08):
Forever we've gotten them in law enforcement. Forever they've never been.

Speaker 15 (01:18:12):
Controversial nobody got damages from the federal government per pen.
Register and my, lord no one ever got five hundred
thousand per instance of pen, registers which is what These
republican senators have now voted seven or eight of their.
Colleague so Any republican senator who had a pen register
a pen register on their phone can now sue for

(01:18:34):
this on top of. That so let me make sure
everybody understands what this. Is it's like an old phone.
Bill it says that phone number eight one eight talk
to phone number four one. Five it has my phone,
number it has the person four one five number doesn't
even have the. Identity it has my phone. Number that person's,
identity shows the time of the, call and it shows

(01:18:56):
the duration let's say seven minutes of the. Call, now
if while the the capital was under siege and being marauded,
invaded five people, died If trump and The White house
was talking to a particular senator's phone, number, yes it
would tell you. That it would tell that there was
a five minute call at such and such a, time
right before let's, Say trump sent out the famous post

(01:19:19):
where he, said you, Know pence really let me down
on this. One pence is sure not the hero of.
This i'm, paraphrasing but it was menacing Toward. Pence, yes
you would like to know did The White house talk
to a Certain republican senator five minutes before that? Posting
did they talk seven minutes after the posting for ten.

(01:19:39):
Minutes that is as far as this investigation ever. Got
there were no, wiretaps there were no searches of senator's.
Offices then it was permitted by a. Judge what judge
would it?

Speaker 8 (01:19:50):
Be? Boseburg boseburg the chief judge In. WASHINGTON. D.

Speaker 15 (01:19:54):
C boseburg's the famous one From Abrego. Garcia he's a
Republic he's a oriented in my, opinion, JUDGE i think
he was appointed by The democrats to THE Us District.

Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
COURT i think he.

Speaker 15 (01:20:06):
Was appointed at least With republican, approval to The Superior court.

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
There he's an old friend Of.

Speaker 15 (01:20:11):
Kavanaugh he is the least Radical democrat if he's A,
democrat THAT i can think. Of but they all hate,
him These, republicans right because of their war, machine their
propaganda war machine Over Abregio garcia and the illegal deportations
That trump carried.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
Out he's the poster. Boy he's the one that they're.

Speaker 15 (01:20:31):
Against so it also adds fire to them That boseburg
is the one who got that request.

Speaker 8 (01:20:37):
For the pen registers and he kept it. Secret that's
what we.

Speaker 15 (01:20:41):
Do we don't tell somebody that their phone is one
of the ones that we're looking at we don't say
that we know that you called this. Person that's what
criminal investigations are all, about and the need for.

Speaker 8 (01:20:52):
Secrecy in criminal.

Speaker 15 (01:20:54):
Investigations suspects destroy, records they come up with phony's, stories
they bribe and himidate. Witnesses you don't tell them right
contemporaneously what you're. Doing so five hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Per peed register for these corrupt. Senators they voted themselves.

Speaker 15 (01:21:11):
A five hundred thousand dollars for each time That boseburg kept,
secret like he keeps secret for everyone. Else two shocking
things about it that make it such a comedy of
errors THAT i think will resonate with swing. VOTERS i
think they'll, say you, know we have an utterly corrupt
president and he's enabled by an utterly corrupt, senator And
i'm voting this, corrupt low Life republican senator. Up look

(01:21:33):
at the self dealing by This republican. SENATOR i think
this really does doom a lot of these. Senators but
here's what's.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Funny there's somebody in the house who got the exact same,
treatment and they did include. Him they did include him
KiB on the money.

Speaker 15 (01:21:48):
Trade he didn't get to jump on the buddy trade
all The republican, senators not The republican. Congressman so that's
easy to make fun. Of but the other thing is
that this is again one of those things that The
republican and civil. Liberties civil liberties concerns never extend to
anything except putting money in their own.

Speaker 8 (01:22:06):
Pocket have they done anything about pen?

Speaker 15 (01:22:08):
REGISTERS i don't think they, should but they could at
least have passed the law that you, know you sort
of passed the straight face, test like if you had
a pen register that was illegally. Obtained let's say it
wasn't a genuine. Thing TWO fbi agents are fighting over
the same. Girl so ONE fbi agent goes that gets
a pen register on his romantic. Rival, okay so you
get five thousand dollars if they do that you as

(01:22:30):
an ordinary, person, right or if it's some other kind
of wrongful. Act but of course they haven't done. That
they haven't changed any of the. Laws they'd be crazy
if they changed the law of. Secrecy that's not only
something that shouldn't be. Punished that's something that in my,
opinion as at least fine. Now later on it has
to be, revealed but not at the very time that

(01:22:50):
the pen register is being put on the. Telephone so
this is just one THAT i thought was pretty. Hilarious
and you, know The senate has a lot of. Power you,
know they'll find some procedural way not to let it come.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
Up it's terribly.

Speaker 15 (01:23:03):
EMBARRASSING i imagine that the charade will be that the
seven or eight senator, said they just raised the issue
and it really concerned, them and then the majority leader, thought,
well we really should do something about this, legislatively and
so that's how it all.

Speaker 8 (01:23:18):
Came but not my own private.

Speaker 15 (01:23:20):
Interest now you, think you, know this is what's great
About trump And graham and his enablers advanced some of
the other. Ones graham doesn't back up that. Story graham,
says If Senator Graham Lindsey, graham the notorious ones From South,
Carolina he, says if you Think i'm gonna settle for
a million, dollars No i'm. Not i'm gonna take as
much money AS i can so this never happens again

(01:23:42):
to another.

Speaker 8 (01:23:43):
Senator what a, charlatan what a?

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Force what's?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Interesting And i'll Bring Moll kelly back in. Here AS
i ask you don't you said this as a self imposed,
Scandal BUT i look at it as these what is
it eight senators or whoever is listed in this new,
rule they kind of put a target on their own.
Back they called themselves. Out as far As i'm, concerned

(01:24:09):
as to the people who are acting improperly and who
had maybe something to hide in relation to being called
out As january sixth, helpers.

Speaker 15 (01:24:18):
Well they're not going to be investigated meaningfully by anybody
at this point because The republicans control both houses Of
congress that could investigate. It there's no special prosecutor. Anymore you,
know one, thing and now is not the time.

Speaker 8 (01:24:31):
To talk about there's so much other.

Speaker 15 (01:24:32):
News but you, know we used to have a really independent,
council And Ken starr and some of the other ones
sure abused. It some of them went after. Nothing they
went after someone In clinton's cabinet for taking two Sugar bowl.

Speaker 8 (01:24:46):
Tickets as it was like the.

Speaker 15 (01:24:47):
SCANDAL i, mean you Think trump's taken three billion dollars
along with his family and it's not been a. Year
we had an independent council who ran after somebody spent
millions of dollars of the taxpayer's.

Speaker 8 (01:24:58):
Money harassing someone who just took two.

Speaker 15 (01:25:00):
TICKETS i know the independent counsel law was, abused but
you got to, think isn't the independent counsel something we
should at least be talking, about because you look at
this now there's just nobody to investigate. Anything and you
ask these great. Questions moel asked these great, questions and
the answer is going to.

Speaker 8 (01:25:16):
Be, okay it should be. Policed who's the.

Speaker 15 (01:25:18):
Policeman maybe the states in some, instances maybe The states
can investigate some of these things because they happen in
a particular blue state in their state.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Crime but, see the thing is we know when and
this is a part Of project twenty twenty. Five When
Donald trump came back into office and started firing the inspectors,
general he started this wave of making sure that he
and his administration would not be meaningfully investigated on any.
Level and what you, said WHICH i thought was really,

(01:25:48):
hot highlights this is that they want the specter of
scandal and investigation going back to the senators and the phone.
Lags they don't want the actual. Investigation they've already removed
all those internal, partitions if you, will to guard against.
That so let me ask you this something THAT i

(01:26:09):
was talking about. Earlier David, casts thank. YOU i apologize
for my. ABSENCE i don't believe that people actually drilled
down on the. Minutiae you explained very thoroughly and forcefully
what is actually in these phone records and why they
were procured and what they were devised to. Do BUT

(01:26:30):
i don't think most people going to a conversation we
had earlier about thirty to thirty five percent Of americans being.
IDIOTS i don't know if people actually drill down or
care about the actual facts or, specifics because we live
in this information age where people don't care about the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Details they read headlines and not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Stories how do you go about making people better understand
when there is a specter of investigation as opposed to
an actual need for an.

Speaker 15 (01:26:58):
Investigation, WELL i tell people THAT i meet to watch
The Mark Thompson. Show and that's what people are to
do is inform it. It you, know it's not that
hard to inform yourself In. America you, know there are
still some good, NEWSPAPERS i mean The New York, Times Washington.
Posts there are some good newspapers left In, america and
there are some good. Sources the problem is that people

(01:27:20):
get in these little, silos and then these silos just
keep giving you more of the you, know what they
think you like and.

Speaker 8 (01:27:27):
Stuff so that's certainly a.

Speaker 15 (01:27:28):
Problem BUT i, THINK i mean that's really the, answer,
right that that people inform, themselves that people realize how
important it.

Speaker 8 (01:27:35):
Is and we've had a lot more.

Speaker 15 (01:27:36):
That you, know people were apathetic about some of these,
races they sure weren't.

Speaker 8 (01:27:41):
Apathetic they're sure not going to be apathetic.

Speaker 15 (01:27:44):
In twenty twenty. Six you look at the turnouts that
we had that were. Tremendous all That blue wave was
also based on a huge, turnout was based on people being,
energized based on people who, thought you, know it's not
that important to, me they can really see how it
affects my. Life and this last thing and just say
this very, briefly this is more of a political thought
than a legal.

Speaker 8 (01:28:03):
Thought But trump really showed his.

Speaker 15 (01:28:06):
Cruelty there were a lot of things that The DEMOCRATS i,
thought not only made their point but made it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:12):
Very effectively with The american.

Speaker 15 (01:28:13):
People even though they ultimately made the, deal which has been,
criticized but they certainly made the point not only that
we need to do something about these premiums that are
going up fifty seventy, percent average middle class person having
to shell out tens of thousands that's not made up
tens of thousands more to be covered By. Obamacare millions
of people are going to drop having healthcare at. All

(01:28:35):
they're going to go back to the emergency room like
they used to in the old, days when they're much
sicker than they used to. Be people with contagious conditions
aren't going to go in because they won't have the
coverage and they'll get the rest of us. Sick all
of those reasons that backed Up, obamacare The Affordable carecter
are being diminished, now and we weren't talking about. That
i've been on some of these right leaning. Shows that's

(01:28:55):
what they're talking. About they talked about the shutdown and
shouldn't they really be doing something about millions and millions
of middle, class working class people who are going to
be knocked off the opportunity to have healthcare.

Speaker 8 (01:29:07):
Coverage SO i think that was.

Speaker 15 (01:29:08):
Important but the other thing was to show the absolute
cruelty Of. Trump you, know people, said, well you, know
he's sort of, efficient he's a. Businessman, no he showed
himself to be so cruel you, know and that he
was willing to let people starve In, america forty two
million people on, foodstamps that he was willing to have
chaos at the. Airports someone said on one of these

(01:29:29):
right leaning, Shows, well it was only when the donor
class got.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
Worried it wasn't the donor class that was flying.

Speaker 15 (01:29:35):
Around it was middle, class working class people who wanted
to see their family For.

Speaker 8 (01:29:40):
Thanksgiving that he had that much. Cruelty AND i could
go on and.

Speaker 15 (01:29:43):
On firing federal, workers many of, whom by the, way
are not political or Are, republicans but, firing you, know federal,
workers willing, nelly all the things that he. DID i
think the country really got.

Speaker 8 (01:29:54):
IT i think they. Were we always said they'd.

Speaker 15 (01:29:56):
Be repulsed voting for someone like, him you, know his Sexual,
shanani against his lying and stuff like.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
This but this was cruelty that really hit home to
millions Of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Americans David, CASS i could talk to you all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Evening UNFORTUNATELY i had some computer issues AND i can
get it my full opportunity to talk to, you But
i'm quite sure we will get to do this again
sometime in the.

Speaker 13 (01:30:17):
FUTURE i.

Speaker 8 (01:30:17):
HOPE i love.

Speaker 15 (01:30:19):
That and AS i mentioned the other, DAY i went
back AFTER i recognized you last, week AND i saw
some of our clips from A cnn.

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
Newsroom and you were.

Speaker 15 (01:30:29):
Terrific you were usually the liberal guest and you'd be
up against somebody who was the more conservative. Guest and,
then AS i, SAID i got to be the umpire
on that, show AND i went back and looked at,
it and you had most of the strikes and your
opponent had most of the. Balls you were getting it
right then and you're getting it right. Now AND i
don't mean right, WING i mean right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Correctly, WELL i appreciate, that But i'll take people behind the.
CURTAIN cnn was notorious for booking me as the quote
unquote liberal guests to a pose, someone AND i had
to tell them again and Again i'm a registered independent
AND i just talk about the. Issues but they were
trying to pigeonhole me because they wanted the confrontation and

(01:31:11):
the on air fight about the different. Issues and it was,
LIKE i don't necessarily disagree with that that person WHO
i was pitted with against all the, time and so
they don't book me as much.

Speaker 15 (01:31:21):
Anymore one last story produce dation about six months. Ago
i'm on With African american Gentleman republican who had BEEN
i Guess schwarzenegger's chief of. Staff, brilliant wonderful. Guy so
we're gonna post each. Other i'm A, democrat he's A.
Republican we're talking About. Trump he was the biggest Anti
TRUMPER i ever met in my. Life SO i definitely

(01:31:43):
didn't book our. Team there was no food fight. There but,
anyway you were wonderful on that. Show and it's great
to see you, again and anytime if you do another,
venture think Of me'd love to be with.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
YOU mo absolutely look forward to. It David, cass thank
you so, much.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
Sir The Mark Thompson, show.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
And ALSO i know that you need to get your
little dose Of Mark thompson each and every, day AND
i understand. It it is The Mark Thompson. Show i'm
just keeping the seat warm while he is on. Vacation
but to that, end we have a little More. Mark
we're going to play you. Now a conversation Between mark
And Margie, goldsmith who's the author Of. Badass it's about being,

(01:32:24):
brave it's about, travel it's about exploring the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
World and. More Here's Mark thompson And Margie goldsmith.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
The Mark Thompson.

Speaker 14 (01:32:36):
Show i'm excited to meet a bad. Ass and WHEN
i say, BADASS i use that terminology advisedly and deliberately
becoming a badass from fearful To. Fierce here's the new
book from our. Guest you will not believe what she's been.

(01:32:59):
Through she's been noted travel, writer but her life and
life story is an extraordinary, one an instructive one for
all of. Us how about it for the Great Margie
goldsmith to, everyone look at, You Margie, goldsmith, welcome nice to.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
See thank you so.

Speaker 10 (01:33:18):
Much. Mark you're pretty much of a badass.

Speaker 14 (01:33:20):
Yourself you Know i'm an, ass BUT i haven't gotten
the bad, part Or i'm the bad with THE i don't.
KNOW i feel Like i'm only halfway. There but thank.
You your life has.

Speaker 13 (01:33:31):
Really been an extraordinary.

Speaker 14 (01:33:32):
One, NOW i mean to understand that you have seen
all these exotic ports of, call and you've traveled all
these wonderful places that you's a travel a. Writer you
visiting just in looking at notes one hundred and. Fifty
country Seven, Continency, uganda The, Marquesas South, Korea Lao, Cambodia, Oman, Cuba,
Tibet Nae Paul. BORNEO i, mean this is this is.

(01:33:54):
Incredible but your life prior and growing up is the
one that really you were forged out of some, trauma you,
Know and that's kind of why your badass assent and
your advice as to how we can all be forged

(01:34:14):
out of whatever might be affecting us. Negatively that's WHY
i think it's so. POWERFUL i wonder if you could
speak to it and just to relate a little bit
of your.

Speaker 13 (01:34:23):
Background, sure, WELL i come from.

Speaker 16 (01:34:26):
A dysfunctional, family which is a little less typical than
most dysfunctional, families because there was, mental, physical and spiritual, abuse, suicide, schizophrenia, alcoholism,
cancer you name, it been there been. That SO i

(01:34:51):
came from a home where NOTHING i did was good
enough and WHERE i felt very much less than.

Speaker 10 (01:34:58):
WHICH i think a lot of people come from the
a kind of.

Speaker 14 (01:35:00):
Homes, well but you, REALLY i, mean but your home
WAS i mean it was more than just nothing you
did was good. ENOUGH i mean it was, really wasn't.
IT I mean it was a kind of fiery, place
meaning filled with, emotion wasn't.

Speaker 16 (01:35:16):
It it was a hallacious, place more than once the police,
called you, know they'd come over and they, said we've had.
Complaints they're screaming going on in the. House and my,
father who was very, smart who was, alive then would, say,
oh we were rehearsing a. Play so we got away with.
It and in fifth, GRADE i THINK i tried to
write a story about my schizophrenic sister AND i handed

(01:35:38):
it in and the teacher, said don't you start making things,
Up and she ripped up the paper and, said just
write the truth from now.

Speaker 10 (01:35:45):
On so it was hard to be believed and it
was hard to get any.

Speaker 16 (01:35:49):
ATTENTION i was in the middle of two, sisters so
that didn't work too well as any middle child.

Speaker 10 (01:35:57):
Does SO i kind of had to learn to serve
on my.

Speaker 16 (01:36:01):
Own because they never gave me any. ADVICE i think
once my mother said grow up and be. Happy there's
no such thing as a state of. Happiness we just
can't live that.

Speaker 11 (01:36:10):
Way, SO.

Speaker 14 (01:36:13):
I, Mean i've asked you to draw out some of
these specific SERIES i think it. WAS i, mean while
some of this was, relatable meaning sort of like middle
child or, whatever it might be something THAT i let.
Do it can relate to not being heard by your,
parents parents not having time for. You all these, THINGS i,
mean these are all things that maybe on some, level

(01:36:34):
money can relate, to but yours really was an emergence
from the ashes of a childhood that was informed by
all of, this you, know times. Ten so tell us about,
that how you emerge from, it and what your book
suggests might be usable for a lot of.

Speaker 16 (01:36:51):
Us, WELL i emerged from it WHEN i graduated from.

Speaker 10 (01:36:56):
College and by the, WAY i went to thirteen.

Speaker 16 (01:36:59):
Different schools BEFORE i graduated from college because they kept.
MOVING i always used a kid that they were running
away from. Life BUT i think they just could never afford.
Anything they never had any. Money so WHILE i saw
a flyer At Columbia university and that said charter flight To,
europe brown, trip two hundred, dollars AND i thought that

(01:37:21):
this is. Perfect i'll go away for the, Summer i'll come,
Back i'll get a master Of Fine. Arts SO i
had some money BECAUSE i had an automobile accident AND
i got fifteen hundred, dollars which would be the equivalent
of probably five thousand a day or. More SO i
went To. Paris it was, cold it was, dark it was.
RAINING i thought the Cute french guys would hit on.

Speaker 10 (01:37:42):
Me no they did, not AND i was. Miserable SO
i Left. PARIS i went To, LONDON i went To,
VENICE i went To. ROME i went To. GREECE i
went to the south Of. FRANCE i was coming back
on my.

Speaker 16 (01:37:53):
Way, home on the train From nice To paris to
catch my flight back To New. York was a little
twelve year old girl sitting next to, me AND i was,
THINKING i Hated.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
Paris everybody else Loves.

Speaker 16 (01:38:05):
Paris they write the love songs and the books and the,
stories and there must be something wrong with. Me SO
i Think i'll just stay here and learn what it
means to Like. Paris because who wanted to go get
a master of fine. ARTS i didn't really want a
master of fine. ARTS i only wanted to, write but
that was not considered a. Career SO i, thought IF

(01:38:27):
i stay In, Paris i'll learn what it is About,
paris AND i won't have my mother to tell me
what to. Do because back in the, sixties long distance
cost a. Fortune you didn't call anybody up on the.
Phone it cost too. Much BUT i got a call
from her and she, said what do you mean you're
not coming. Home AND i, Said i'm staying In paris

(01:38:47):
and she, said are you in? TROUBLE i said, no
and she said are you? PREGNANT i said, No and she, said,
well why aren't you coming? Home AND i, said BECAUSE
i want to stay In, paris AND i, did and
that got me out of her. Clutches by, then my
father had already committed. Suicide he did that WHEN i
was a freshman in. College so there was only my
mother to account, for and my, grandmother who was the

(01:39:10):
strong power of the family because she was the one
with the purse.

Speaker 14 (01:39:13):
Strings when your dad committed, suicide was that a relief
or how did that affect the?

Speaker 13 (01:39:18):
Family you?

Speaker 16 (01:39:19):
Know no matter how abusive he was and how much
he hit, me and to this, day if anybody comes
too close to my, FACE i. Flinch, still he was
the wrong parent to, die because underneath all his abuse
and the horrible things he did to, ME i liked
him better THAN i liked my. Mother AND i thought
the wrong parent has. Died SO i was very upset about.

Speaker 13 (01:39:40):
It note of some kind or an explanation of why he.

Speaker 10 (01:39:44):
Was he left a.

Speaker 16 (01:39:46):
Note and he said the day before he had taken
my older, sister who was a schinzophrenic into her first
mental facility where there were three locked.

Speaker 10 (01:39:54):
Gates and he had to go through them and visit.

Speaker 16 (01:39:56):
Her and in his note he, SAID i know you And,
lynn my younger, sister will all be, fine BUT i
only WISH i could take cath eight with.

Speaker 10 (01:40:05):
Me she was the one who was in the metal.
Facility so it was.

Speaker 16 (01:40:09):
SHOCKING i mean when they broke back his, remains there
was a pair of shattered glasses and a one dollar
bill and in his. Wallet AND i was, EIGHTEEN i
was in. SCHOOL i COULDN'T i had no. IDEA i
just didn't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
It you, know how did he take his?

Speaker 16 (01:40:24):
Life he jumped from the fourteenth floor of the last
advertising agency In philadelphia for whom he had been. Working
and it was. Winter but back in the, sixties you
never said someone committed. Suicide you, know that was the
worst thing you could. Say so we used to tell
people he fell out of the. Window well what's.

Speaker 10 (01:40:44):
He doing on a window ledge In philadelphia in the
middle of the.

Speaker 16 (01:40:47):
Winter so it, was you, know shame and humiliation were
always my middle.

Speaker 14 (01:40:52):
Name it's just interesting because when you stay In paris
and you discover so. Much you discover this wondrous ability you,
have you know that's been celebrated now as a. WRITER
i mean you've been you're, really you, know a venerated
writer and.

Speaker 13 (01:41:08):
Uh and you also you discover.

Speaker 14 (01:41:12):
UH i think Outward bound changed your life to the
experience that was.

Speaker 16 (01:41:18):
That was ONCE i came, Back, yes, yes being. Well
their motto was to, serve to strive and not to.
Yield And i've been on this adult invitational course and
the big macho, males you, know the ones who ran their.
Companies we were all supposed to repel up this cliff
and they were roped in and there were some of
them crying because they were so afraid to do. It

(01:41:40):
AND i went last on, purpose AND i, Thought i'm
never going to be able to do. This and you
have to put your foot in a hold and hold
onto the hand and go up a notch and looks
like climbing a, ladder but there's no.

Speaker 10 (01:41:51):
Runs there's just these tiny little.

Speaker 16 (01:41:53):
Footholds AND i, Realized i've been looking for the, hands
but it's your legs.

Speaker 10 (01:41:58):
That really get you up a rock. Face SO i
got it very.

Speaker 16 (01:42:02):
Quickly ONCE i finally determined how to do, it and
the guide was saying spider, woman AND i was so
excited because it was the first time in my LIFE
i FELT i had achieved something AND i, thought IF
i can get up this rock face and all these
guys are, CRYING i can do.

Speaker 10 (01:42:18):
Anything so that was the beginning of my.

Speaker 14 (01:42:21):
Freedom, really, YEAH i mean your journey is one of, empowerment,
THEN i guess you, know each layer of achievement or,
lead each layer of discovery helps you with this.

Speaker 10 (01:42:33):
Empowerment and it's also for me it has.

Speaker 16 (01:42:37):
BEEN i, MEAN i think it Was Eleanor rooseveld who first,
said do one thing every day that scares.

Speaker 10 (01:42:41):
You, WELL i don't try to do one thing every.

Speaker 16 (01:42:43):
DAY i try at least once a month to do
something that absolutely terrifies. Me and each time you do
something you're terrified of and you, succeed.

Speaker 10 (01:42:52):
That gives you so much. Confidence and even if you
fail at, something at.

Speaker 14 (01:42:57):
Least you tried it, Sure and that's one of the
things that you. EMPHASIZED i, mean on our way to
bad assiness is that you challenge.

Speaker 13 (01:43:06):
Yourself is that it.

Speaker 16 (01:43:08):
That's exactly, right exactly that's what keeps, you that's what
helps you become a, badass and that's.

Speaker 10 (01:43:13):
What keeps you. One you just keep on challenging.

Speaker 14 (01:43:16):
Yourself and the way it, goes it goes against your, instinct,
right because we tend to avoid yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:43:22):
COMPLETELY i mean ONCE i was going up circumnavigating THE
Cn tower In toronto and it's about twelve hundred feet up.
There you look down below and there are people in
kayaks and they look like. Matchsticks So i'm, Thinking i'm,
terrified how AM i going to do? This and you
had to get out your old carabine heard in the double.
Cable see you couldn't, fall and you had to walk

(01:43:45):
to the, edge put your feet over the edge and
look down and then you had to turn around and
hold on and look.

Speaker 10 (01:43:52):
Backwards AND i, thought this isn't going to.

Speaker 16 (01:43:54):
Work BUT i did it by just saying, one, two,
three And i'm, THREE i am doing, It and that's.

Speaker 13 (01:44:01):
IT i, MEAN i did. It, yeah IT'S i have to.

Speaker 14 (01:44:06):
SAY i, mean as someone who's desperately afraid of, HEIGHTS i,
mean LIKE i can't even imagine that. Challenge but it
doesn't have to be that. Challenge it might be something.

Speaker 13 (01:44:12):
Else but it's a little.

Speaker 14 (01:44:17):
Point BUT i just love the fact that you you
did turn your life into this great sort of palette
of choices that you, made you, know and some of
them just come out of like, LIKE i, know you
learn how to play the, harmonica and you recorded on
a blues.

Speaker 13 (01:44:32):
ALBUM i, think isn't that?

Speaker 11 (01:44:33):
Right two of?

Speaker 16 (01:44:35):
THEM i created two blues, albums writing the songs Playing
somewhere and recording with the best blues band In, America
Rick estron and the Night. Yets and it was very,
empowering terrifying in the. Beginning but they were all so
loving and so, giving and they're so. Talented how can
you go wrong when you have a great band behind?

Speaker 13 (01:44:53):
You how did you connect with? Them?

Speaker 14 (01:44:59):
Oh OR i just Lost? Margie what? HAPPENED i didn't touch?
Anything did you are you muted or? Something that's? Weird,
no that's. Odd all of a, SUDDEN i don't hear.
Her hold on one, Second uh try can you speak?
Now that's. WEIRD i don't understand what. Happened, WELL i

(01:45:24):
don't know what happened With. Margie, margie if you can hear,
me disconnect and. Reconnect just WHEN i was getting super,
INTRIGUED i was already, intrigued but THEN i became super,
intrigued another level of.

Speaker 13 (01:45:38):
Intrigued, yess, yeah here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
We are so unfortunately had the technical problems, there but
what a great. Interview and the book is Called Yeah,
Badass how To become A becoming A badass and The
Arthur margie gold author Of becoming a Bad ass From
fearful To, fierce and you can find more about it
margiegoldsmith dot com as a link to the book, there

(01:46:09):
And albert will have a link to the book underneath
the video as.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Well what took me back was Ms, Goldspin she, said
but my father was not the one who needed to.
Go this was her, mother and that threw me for a.
Loop for all the bad things which happened to her
by way of her, father he was the quote unquote
better parent for her big.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Picture very.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Enterprising, yeah, yeah the book it sounds like a really interesting.
Read so we appreciate her coming on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Absolutely and before we get out, here there were a
couple of STORIES i did want to touch. On of,
course the biggest talk, here the talker of the day
is The epstein story as it well it should, be
but you still have this drip drip of stories coming.
Out they're the support reports Off epstein had offered a
reporter photos Of donald as In Donald trump and girls

(01:47:05):
in bikinis in a. Kitchen and we're going to see,
these WHEN i say, photos photos like these when we
eventually get the final dump of all These epstein, documents
because it's supposed to be inclusive of, videos inclusive of,
emails inclusive of, photos and we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
What those are going to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Be BUT i do, know going back to the top
of the, show because The trump administration is so damn
concern about anything coming, out that there is some there
there at least embarrassing at, best criminal arguably criminal criminal at.
Worst and they're going to be plenty of emails that

(01:47:50):
we're going to have to, dissect, read. REREAD i guess
you're going to have to look into and see if
it implicates other. Individuals there's going to be a flurry
of counter programming and propaganda because you, know when Anything
epstein comes, out there will be some sort of allegation

(01:48:12):
made against Former President obama or Former President biden or
this person or that person.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
To deflect in a news, sense what is going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
Covered we saw this weeks, ago you, know with supposedly
The Tulci gabbert had found this incontrovertible evidence about Former
President obama trying to somehow Undermine President trump in reverse the.
Election YadA, YadA, YadA blah blah. Blah there's going to be,
that because that is the. Playbook ALL i can recommend

(01:48:47):
is that we do not get distracted and chase after
these other fake. Issues Yes i'm using the word fake,
news these other fake news issues to the impact of
what will be whatever is going to be released With Jeffrey.
Epstein So i'm looking forward to the, Pictures i'm looking

(01:49:08):
forward to the, Videos i'm looking forward to the, emails
looking forward to all, that because that's the only way
we'll get a better sense of this cover, up and
it is it's a cover. Up they don't want this
information to come. Out AND i try to tell people
it's not just About Donald. Trump there will be other
powerful people. Implicated we've already heard now About Larry, Summers

(01:49:28):
we've long heard About Alan. Dershowitz there will be other
powerful people like we've already heard About Elon musk and
his connection To Jeffrey. Epstein and it's going to be
embarrassing for some an indictment in a rhetorical sense of.
Others but there's no telling as far as how deep

(01:49:51):
this rabbit hole goes or how many people will be
caught up in it when all is said and.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Done AND i, AGREE i hope that just don't use
the other name to deflect off of what we're learning
from these emails About trump and some details we know
that according to A New York times, Reporter epstein offered
this reporter pictures Of Donald trump and girls in bikinis

(01:50:17):
In epstein's, kitchen so somewhere that picture's floating, around And
mark wanted to make sure that we saw this message
That epstein said in emails that he'd been advising The
russian government on how to deal With Donald, trump one
of several cases in which he wielded his connections to
try to influence the course of foreign. Affairs so there's

(01:50:40):
information or inklings Of Donald trump's relationship With russia And russian,
leaders and that is going to come, out and that'll
be fascinating as. Well it's not, disturbing.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Right and this does still go back to The mower,
report The mohor, report if, anything is a distillation of the,
relationship or one aspect of the relationship Between Donald, trump
The trump, family The trump business, interests And. Russia that's
not separate and distinct from his involvement With Jeffrey epstein

(01:51:15):
on either a business or personal. Level that's not separate
and distinct From Jeffrey epstein on A russia. Level we
know that a billion dollars change hands by way Of Jeffrey.
Epstein we don't know how much of, that if, any
had anything to do with What Donald trump was. Doing
we don't know how much it had to do with
the sex trafficking of girls and young. Women but it

(01:51:38):
still connects back to The molar, investigation if only because
there is once again a coziness With russia and the
exchange of money and ongoing communication which cannot be just.
Overlooked and it's not necessarily going to say, that, well
Because russia did this And Jeffrey epstein did, that and

(01:52:01):
that Makes Donald trump, Guilty i'm not saying. That i'm
saying it's always been cloudy and intentionally cloudy about this
relationship Between Donald trump And. Russia we know that there
is a financial, Component we know that there is a political,
component we don't know as far as how impactful that
relationship has been in every. Facet and The Jeffrey epstein,

(01:52:26):
INFORMATION i hope AND i believe will give us not
only a clear picture Of trump's involvement With, epstein if
on any, level but Also russia's involvement With Jeffrey epstein
And Donald trump and whether there's any crossover. There AND
i have to believe that there is some, crossover because
powerful people do business with powerful. People they were, friends

(01:52:49):
best friends arguably for over a. Decade, yeah of course
there's A russian connection because it had to do with
young girls and beauty. Pageants there's a. Connection we just
can't tell you definitively.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
What it'll be interesting to see if we will ever
be able to say definitively. What but these messages and this,
information it just seems it's almost worse because it trickles, out, trickle, trickle.
Trickle if they released it and were more transparent and
just let it all out at the same, time it

(01:53:24):
would maybe not be as you, know as the scandal
would be kind of over. MORE i don't want to
say the scandal will ever be, over but it would
be out. There we would talk about, it and then you,
know life kind of moves. On but in this, case
we get a little here and a little, there and
it's this never ending.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Thing but the thing, is if, you obviously a person
of innocent, mind acts, accordingly and we know through public
reporting That Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Trump was informed he is in The epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
Files of course we can't quantify it or qualify it,
yet but let's just, say, hypothetically we're dealing with some
fifty emails that Implicate Donald trump in some way or
indicate a level of involvement or knowledge in some. Way
if you're The White, house you're not rooting for all

(01:54:17):
of that to be released at, once because you can't
deal in a, crisis pr, sense with fifty different.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Emails and that's an arbitrary. Number it could be. More
Oh i'm sure it. Is it's probably way.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
More but if you're The White, house, no you don't
want all of it to come out at, once because
you don't have enough firefighters out there proverbial fighter fighters
to deal with all the fires that are.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
Coming PERHAPS i would think that if thousands of emails
are released at, once that things are going to get, lost,
right that you're not gonna it's. Not it would be
worse if every week there was another, one another, bombshell another,
bombshell whereas if it was a data dump that it's
going to take a lot of time for people to

(01:54:59):
sift through all of. That SO i don't, know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Mo the flip side, is, yeah it would take a
lot of time for people to sift through, it which
means you got a different news story about a different
piece of evidence of a, photo audio or something from
The epstein estate every single day That Caroline levitt presumably
would be asked about and she'd have to lie about
in response every single day for months on. End and

(01:55:27):
maybe they're trying to delay the inevitable for as long
as they. CAN i, mean they only have to choose
the best of bad options. Here And i'm not one
to give The White house any type of. ADVICE i
do know that they might be in if you're A
Star trek, fan The Kobayashi maru here where there's a
no win, scenario it's just a matter of how badly

(01:55:49):
they're going to lose in this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Scenario.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
Yeah to bring our conversation full circle to your earlier,
Interview donald the Amain kun says those who know how
to USE ai to sort the data can sort the
data in many different. Ways so MAYBE ai will be
our friend in this.

Speaker 13 (01:56:05):
Case it's.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
GOOD i think it's going to be friend and. Foe.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
YEAH i think there's going to be some intentional disinformation
release WITH ai to cloud people's perceptions of what is
real and what isn't real and make people possibly just
tune out and just declare everything.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Fake we have got a message From Joan, hollywood who
throws out a. Five thanks again for your excellent Hosting
mo and for.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Mo love And.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
MOJO i appreciate.

Speaker 13 (01:56:36):
That E Golf.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
Twitler if The epstein files will end your political, career
then your political career should.

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
End mm.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Hmm that's a fair, Point louis.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Saying, Mo you're not an Issue you are an issue,
guy not a political party, guy AND i love you for.

Speaker 13 (01:56:52):
It thank.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
You that's that's an accurate. Representation.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Yeah tomorrow on the, Show Michael short will be here
talked about this week in, Politics we've got your little
visit To florida coming up With Friday Fabulous florida and
The Culture. Blaster Michael snyder will be here along With
Moe kelly and From Mark, Thompson it's going to be
a Great friday.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Show bye, bye bye.

Speaker 11 (01:57:17):
Bye I'm shadow Of stephens by The Mark Johnson. Show bye,
bye

Speaker 13 (01:57:36):
Oh God Bye byett

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