TMCP Ep 11: Did Roach Deserve Better?

Jamieson and Classy are back to discuss the robbery seen around the world that took place in Brooklyn last weekend when Lamont Roach had a legitimate gripe in his match against Tank Davis. The duo also discussed whether fighters are ducking David Benavidez and what a matchup vs Dmitry Bivol might look like. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, standing it six foot five weight class
unknown hailing from Sinn City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing in five foot nine Wayne Town
with six wins.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Payments on student loans.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
And two total painkruptcies.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
HiT's the class fee. I'll go hard. Thank you. Welcome
back to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast. My
name is Jamison Welsh and I am joined with the
classy alcoholic classy. What's going on? Man? Man?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I am feeling great. We're here with episode eleven, our
first episode March, which is an awesome month. It's Women's
history month, shout outs to ladies. It's Arizona Wine Month. Yes,
we do have wine country in this state, believe it
or not. And college ball is in full swing. So
are you a college basketball fan, Jamison? Or you do do?
Strictly do in the NBA?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I am I'm more NBA fan than college, but I
do enjoy watching college run this time of year. You know,
it's always good for this, you know, but every other
tournament's going on. It's a lot of action, it's a
lot of excitement, a lot of upsets, so it's good
to watch. It's always good to watch TV that is
live and unpredictable, so it's good to feel. But also
you mentioned something, you're talking about wine and whatnot. I've

(01:23):
we've had ten this eleven show. I never heard you
bring up wine before. I've heard beer. Yeah, I've heard tequila.
I've heard whiskey. I ain't heard about no damn wine.
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Man, I'm a wine guy too. First of all, I'll
drink pretty much anything, but yeah, no, I my favorite
things that drink are craft beer and tequila and whiskey.
But no, no, I've spent a lot of time in
Arizona wine country.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
They got three different sections of the state, two in
the southeast, one up north, the nicer one is up north,
the ones in the southeaster, and like one of them
is in Wilcox, which is like a methy town.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, but it has also like it has the perfect elevation.
Shouldn't grow great so you can go to you know,
wine tasting. It's like kind of upper middle class. You
got people up there, you know, they spent they're spending
some money. And then on the way out of town
you stop the circle k and you see, you know
a lot of folks who partake in the meth probably,
so it's a wild town. It's a wild town.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough. Well it is Mark
And normally around this time we get rolled with some
of the fights and whatnot. So I'm kind of curious
that to hear your thoughts on what happened, you know, recently.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, let me see. This morning, I woke up,
I woke up way earlier than usual, by which I
mean eleven forty five am, grabbed a coffee, spiked it
with Irish corps, then walked over to the new stand
to get a copy of the Boxing Gazette. So let's
stroll through the news here. I'm leaving through this, and
I think I'm I cursed myself after last episode when
I was what I said, I was sick of talking
about Tank Davis versus Lamarck Coroach because then now there's

(02:51):
been so much more shit that happened during the fight
since the fight just a couple of days ago. It
turns out that the New York State Athletic Commission will
allow the results of the fight to stand so just
really quickly for anybody to watch the fight with the
distance Tank one with the majority draw, so two judges
said it was a draw. One gave it to Tank.
There was controversy about him choosing to take a knee

(03:12):
in the middle of a round, supposedly to have his
corner wipe off hair grease that was getting into his
eye wasn't counted as a knockdown by the ref. Roach's
team filed a complaint with the State Athletic Commission. The
commission responded by saying, quote, damn, that's crazy. Good look
with the next fight, though, but did you think there
was any chance that the results would have gotten overturned?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Don't get it. Don't work that way any due owners,
It don't work that way. You know.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
This is how it goes.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's it's messed up for roa too far or a
really good fight that night and shouldn't have could have won,
but it don't worked that way. However, he's gonna rematch.
It's just a matter of time. Sooner the better. But
we're gonna have a rematch, which is fine, and if
Roach is really that good, he'll be able to show
up and and fight too and see what we could do.
But man, that sucks though, Like it really doesn't. I've

(03:58):
never seen a knock out, not down, not get counted,
and the reason for it was that I've never seen
that before. So it to me. I feel for Oach.
I feel for him as one of those nights where
it could have been a career in the finding night,
it could have been life changing night. However, he's gonna

(04:19):
have more opportunity. So here we are.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, I mean, going to distance against Tank Davis is
in and of itself, it's a huge deal. So you
gotta you know, we can't say that the guy didn't
put it first, put in a lot of great work
in the fight, and also the outcome was wildly unexpected.
You know, I didn't bet on this one in particular,
but if I had, I would have bet on a knockout.
You know, we talked about it four around six seven eight,
Tank knocking him out, So props to him. But yeah, definitely,

(04:47):
I feel like again I'm cursing myself because we're gonna
be we're talking about this again when the rematch happens.
But how do you think the rematch would go?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I think Tank wins in a rematch. I think you'll
have a better plan. I think he'll understand what it
takes to be more decisive. But man, the going for
Ko's only method is not it. Even though he's a
very skilled fighter, Tank is a little bit overrated because

(05:17):
when a boxer twot makes him think and adjust and adapt,
he's not as quickly to attack. He's very hesitant to
attack when he has to adjust and adapt in the
ring and change game plans and think when he fights
talented guys. But that don't make you think or adjust
on the fly. He's pretty easy going and while he

(05:40):
attacks the opposition, but when a fighter throws a wrenching
at things when it's a tough fight. I've seen some
things in the last fight that give me some hesitancy
going forward about Tank again, knock out power in each hand.
We know what he's he's made his name off of.
But if he's fighting elite, skilled, talented eyes that can

(06:02):
take his punch, or if they away from his KO
punch and make him box, I have some doubts.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Sure. I mean, I think that you're right going for
the KO every time. It's not the best strategy, but
when I looked it up, he's got like a ninety
three percent ko average at that point you're like, hey,
this could work. I mean, you know, if it ain't broke.
So I understand. I mean a lot has been said
by other boxing media, by you know, the commentators that
think they're there as great as us, but you know

(06:30):
they're good, they're good, but you know, we're the top
of cream of the crop. So but it has been said.
I think that I don't think there's anybody that can
really say that tank taking a knee or anybody taking
a knee in the middle of a round shouldn't be
a knockdown for whatever reason. Let's give him let's say
that he was absolutely telling the truth about the grease
and his hair. So sorry, yeah, the grease in his
hair getting in his eye, it doesn't matter. You know,

(06:51):
there's no timeouts in boxing. You can't just do that shit.
You wait till till the bell rings, or you take
the knockdown. Yep. And let's not forget taking a knee
when you getting pummeled. It can be a good, you know,
a good strategy to kind of take that eight second
breather because it's better to take a knee when you're
you know, getting overwhelmed then getting knocked the hell out
and getting put to sleep right, So it can be
used strategically, but it's still knocked out always.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
You got to use the vet move if you need
get stoppage. Your mouthpiece has to come out of your
mouth if you're trying, if you need a timeout, not
saying it's the right thing to do with the most
ethical The mouthpiece has to come out to where the
corner got to put it in, and while that they're
doing that, they can give a quick wipe of the
eyes and that could have been what it was going

(07:37):
to be. However, with that all being said, our refereeing
has to get better because that's all we're talking about
from the fight. We can't keep having these things happen.
And for the casual person that's turned a Tank and
that checked in, that is not a good look for them.
It's not a good look at all. Right.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know, Tank is a very hype fighter for a
good reason. But yeah, if the first fight you ten
into you see him taking a knee and not getting
any consequence from it, you know that's that. Yeah, that
makes the refluc shitty, That makes the sport look shitty.
I'll say that's finish off by this story by saying
this Tank is a professional fighter, He's very skilled. You know,
all I've ever done is sparring. I will say though,

(08:16):
there are times when my contact lens fell out many
times during sparring, fell into the onto my glove or
on the ground on the mat, and I just flicked
it away and I just kept going because I didn't
hear that fucking bell. So not saying that I'm better
than Tank, all I'm saying is that that's what you
got to do, fight or die.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
That's correct, yea, that's what you signed up for it.
When you sign up for that, that's what it is.
But also, if the fight wasn't going, if the fight
was going a different way, we're not talking about this.
But the fight was too close to where that rounds
ten to eight the other way changed everything. And that's
the reason why we're talking about it. If Tank won
one O eight, we're not even it's not even a thing,

(08:56):
it's not even. The fact is to fight deciding thing
and a career, potential, career defining moment for both guys,
and it went away. Now, who's to say if that
doesn't count it? If Tank is more aggressive going forward,
who knows. I don't know, but I'm interested to see
what happens going forward, right because both guys what they won.

(09:18):
Roach and his camp thinks they won Tank this camp
think they want. I'm curiously what happens going forward. I'm
very curious to that, you know, and they won't. We
don't draw next time. I'll put it that way.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, and that's that's a really good point. You know,
there's two things that should be made very clear. You know,
the conversation go here and there. Everybody has their own opinions,
but at the end of the day, Number one is yes,
that should have been a knockdown. Number two, you're right,
we're only talking about it because Tank was not dominating.
Roach was holding his own, which is a big deal.
So if it still would have been controversial. But if yeah,

(09:50):
if Tank had a unanimous decision or a knockout for
that matter, at the end of the on the tenth round,
we will not be here. So yeah, I mean, there's
it's three minute rounds for a reason. You got your
one minute break, and that's when you figure out what
if something's bothering you, if there's an issue. I remember
one time during sparring you know, I did the thing
when my contact fell out, I just flipped it away,

(10:11):
kept going. I actually tried to put it in between rounds,
and it just wasn't good getting it. It wasn't staying,
kept falling out, the bell was about to ring again,
the trainer goes, leave it. You can't put it back
onto the streets. I was like, all right, all right,
So all right.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
The streets is a whole different situation, right, because then
the streets just don't rule. Sure you boxing, there's rules
and stuff, So I disagree with that. However, with that
being said, when it comes to boxing, it's one of
those things to where it feels like the rules are
only when they benefit certain people, they only apply to

(10:47):
certain people. And that ain't it. That's not that's not it,
that's not how it's supposed to work. And that was
not a good look the other day. Hopefully going forward
that is not the case. But man, it's a bad look.
But I will say this, if I'm Shaker Stevenson, if
I'm Boots, if I'm Devin Haney, if I'm a little
a chinker, I'm looking at that fight like oh yeah,

(11:11):
I'm looking like hey, like okay, there's a chicken and
armor here. That's not what it looks like. It's not
this devastating KO guy. If I can stay away from
his power, I can win the fight on being more
active and getting landing more punches and making him think
constantly instead of sit on a sit on a koh.

(11:32):
So that's what's more fascinating to me is that I
think it'll open the potential for the other suitors in
the in that weight class or that in that range
to like, you know what, I don't mind. I'm want
a problem fighting Tank. Let's get it up so well.
See what Also, if you notice I ain't hear no
retirement talk from Tank either that fight happened. I ain't
hear no retirement. I heard us pretty much as as possible.

(11:53):
It's funny how that works.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, exactly, He's we said last episode. He was the
one that's like talking about it constantly. He's the one
that see most bent are stuck on retiring very soon
at the end of this year. So yeah, we'll see
maybe uh who knows, maybe he will retire if he'd
loses the next one.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I don't know. I doubt it because the money is
too good. The thing that people don't realize is the
you only have a certain amount of window to cash
in on your monetary value. And when it comes to that,
even if he loses, he's still a name that people
recognize and people will go see. I don't see him

(12:30):
retires sing anything out of the time. I see these
guys fighting until they can't because one is only so
many big fights that can be made period, right, There's
only so many fights that the general public want to see.
So when you can put those together, you do it.
That's why we're getting Canello Crawford in six months. That's
the reason why you only get some of those opportunities.
So I don't think anyone's retiring while they have more

(12:54):
fights to make. I'd be very surprised if he retires.
Anyone else retires, and they're probably just be shocked. It
just doesn't work out.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
We gotcha? Well, I hope I don't end up like
a doctor Manhattan. It's December twenty twenty four, and I'm
gonna podcast talking Tank versus Roach. It's March twenty twenty five.
I'm on a podcast that's causing Tank Forris wrote, Yeah, Yeah,
It's May five and I'm gonna be condomed to it.
But all right, flip into the next story. Uh, this news.
This next story is about another guy we've been talking

(13:20):
a lot about lately, Dimitri beval So the WBC World
Boxing Commission has made or bloxing Council, sorry, has made
David Benavitez from Phoenix the mandatory challenger for Bevall next
and it's actually given a deadline of April eighth for
a fight to be negotiated. Uh. Even though Bevall was
talking like he was the ship he'd take on anybody,
you want to talk about tunes changing after the last one,

(13:40):
he was like, I fight that new one. I fight Avidez,
I fight Canelo, I fight Ben and Woods give sheet.
But his tune has changed a bit. After the WBC
ordered the fight, Bevo was on Twitter saying, well, he's
waiting for his next move from his from his team
as promoters Takiela Shak already and Turkey La Shak was
already saying he's not interested in the Benavitaz fight. So Jamison,

(14:00):
is Dimitri Vival gonna duck Benevidez as well.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I think it's done though, I think it's done. I
think it's more about whenever you hear about whenever a
boxer starts tweeting and talking, it's more about the money
splits than anything else. That's what's getting impacted, and that's
what it's mostly about, not necessarily ducking. It's about getting
more of the split or whatever pie there is. Sure.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
But if if the money is the issue, which understood
money money is a major issue, is our favorite philosopher
Pitbull put it, then that means that the money may
be better for a better be of Bevil trilogy and
not a Benevidez bev All fight.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
No, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, but that's what Canelo said about the Benavidas fight.
It might be trued out, but he said, hey, the
money's not right, so you know, and they called, they
called my boy, they're a duck. So what are we
gonna say? All I want to say I want people
to keep that same energy for Demetri Bival.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Okay, No, I hear you, I hear you, and I'm
with you. I am not personally a fan of. If
you want to fight somebody, just fight him, right, don't
play the game. I'm not with the Oh I don't
know or oh A need more money or oh well,
now if you want to if you want to fight somebody,
you go ahead and fight them. That's how it should be.
But again, this is boxing in twenty twenty five. It's

(15:20):
never as easy as it sounds. It's never as easy
as hey, you want to fight him, it's not a contract,
let's go. It's never that easy.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
It never is right and understood. That's fair all you know.
Like I said, all I say is the talk went
one way during the last people better be a fight
about you know, even Turkila. She goes like, yeah, let's
do it. You know, let's let's do Benavidez with the
winner of this man, I'm down, call out Hayman from PBC,
blah blah blah. I like, everybody's talking big and then
you know, give it a couple of weeks and everyone's
more like lukewarm on the issue. And like I said,

(15:50):
I just want I want the fans, you know, I
want to see y'all commenting Bena Vitez's name on every
fucking beval social media post for years. I want you
to come up with stupid nicknames that you you should
be embarrassed to comment, like Dunky Tree, Vivoll or QUACKI
Tree or whatever the hell you guys come up with
out there. I want to see that ship for Boble
as well if he does end up fighting Benevita. So

(16:12):
but with that said, what is it looking like? Is
this tough? Because maybe like a better be of trilogy
is kind of losing its luster. Do people want to
see something different? I mean, big Bo's the big guy
to get He's a star now you.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Know yep, now, I hear you. I think part of
it is it has loss this lester. I don't know
there's a huge demand for that fight. That's the thing.
Outside of pure boxing fans, it's not a huge demand
for that, right, Like, that's not only the ones where
you're gonna pay forty five dollars for a pay per view.
Don't see it like it's one Now you're telling me
it's on Netflix, Okay. Cool, you're telling me it's on

(16:49):
like an ESPN or an Amazon Prime for the low okay.
But if you're trying to dodge fifty bucks for it,
you're gonna have a hell of a card. And that's
what I don't see, Like, I don't see the huge,
crazy demand for it. But if it's on. If it's on,
we would definitely watch. And if it's a Saturday night
when El's going on at that time, it's going to

(17:09):
gain a lot of different a lot different watchers from
different things, because you know that's how it goes. But
I do think it is listeners lesson because we're talking
about other fights and now that we have a lot
more guys in the one forty one forty seven range
fighting more actively, now everything else kind of just gets
washed away because as of right now, fast the most

(17:30):
popular division, not necessarily the best division, but the most
names are in that one for you to one forty
seven range at this moment, and you.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Know I'm on record, you can go back to previous episodes.
I won't change my tune. I said I would rather
see a better be Of trilogy before of being a
Benevitas fight, and I stand by that. All I'm saying
again is if people doesn't end up fighting Benavidez, I
want the fans to, uh you know who called out
Canelo for years, to keep up that same energy. And
that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
No, absolutely, but there's rules that are It's different rules
for people, right So Canal is one of the faces
of the sport. Hell, he's probably the face of the
sports still, and he's a first BALLO Hall of Famer.
He's probably the face of the boxing generation since Floyda
has left. So his standards are different than anyone else. Now,
you are correct, the energy should be kept the same,

(18:19):
but as levels of this, Canelo's hell's whatever his standard
and pretty much anyone else that's been in boxing over
the last ten years.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Sure, and I agree with that. And again, all I'm
saying is that Bevil is he's the new big star.
He's the next big thing, and you know with for
a good reason. He's an excellent fighter, He's proven his metal.
He he beat Canilo and better b of So that's
that's not an easy test, so you know, and people
were giddy as fuck. The Canelo haters were giddy as fuck.
Would b Boll beat him? Let's not forget that, true, true, true.

(18:48):
So yeah, I mean, you know, I I would love
to see I'd love to see the trilogy because those
last two fights are great. I would also love to
see Benavitez and Beevil a scrap after that. So all
I'll say, if we do get the trilogy, don't forget
about my man. Don't forget about David Benavidez. I think
he's earned a shot. And yeah, and you know we

(19:09):
talked about before about him waiting for Canelo because of
the bag, but him fighting people all again is not
going to be a light bag. So Benevidez is gonna
He's going to be just five the guys in this fight.
I think. So cool. Well, let's see flipping through the
news here all right, on the subject of Turkey Ella Shaikh,
who is a Saudi Arabian boxing promoter and current owner

(19:30):
of the Ring magazine. The next event he's hosting is
a massive one. It's actually three separate events across the world.
So yeah. The first one is on April twenty six,
Chris Ubek Junior fighting Connor Ben in London Brough. May second,
we'll see three fights taking place in Times Square like
out on the actual street. May third will be Canelo
versus Williams Skull in Saudi Arabia. This event is called

(19:51):
Fatal Fury because it's a collaboration with s NK, a
Japanese video game company, to promote a new fighting game.
Did you know about the Davidson or have you heard
of this game a little about it.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I don't all the details about to hear a little
bit about it.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
This is wild to me. I mean it is. Yeah,
it's straight up like three boxing events, a boxing showcase,
whatever you want to call it, in collaboration with a
company promoting this game called Fatal Fury City of the Wolf. So,
I mean, I don't even know where to start because
there's so there's a lot of interesting things to talk
about here, because I was surprised that Fatal Fury referred
to a game. But we have spoken about how boxing

(20:25):
needs to be creative with this promotions, especially if Top
Rank leaves ESPN and boxing becomes a streaming only sport.
So is this something that could get help get boxing
more in the news, get more fans in What do
you think?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So the boxing issue is more for the States. International
boxing is fine in the States is where we're boxing
these issues now. The more money you can get to
the sport, the better because domestically, we've had a lot
of people pull out of the money, so that's been
issued domestically. So that's why we keep hearing these different partnerships.
That's why we got the Saudi money coming in you

(20:58):
mentioned the Japanese come that's why we keep having those
things keep coming in is because of the lack of
funds from the traditional outlets here. I don't have a
problem with I think it's a good thing. Even the
partnership with Dana White and the Saudi's are it is interesting.
I think more more money, more marketing, it all helps
the sport as long as the correct fights are being made,

(21:20):
as long as that's take a buzz. I think we
have a good situation going on. And to be honest
with you, I like that we're putting on more events,
more active, active guys, more names are fighting constantly. It's
good for the sport overall. So no complaints here, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And what about specifically use of like a video game
company of all things, you know, because we've had sponsored
by like energy drinks and like movies, all of that.
You know, the video game. We've had a sponsorship from
video games and fights, but specifically a team up. I mean,
it's cool that it might appeal to the nerds. And
Fatal Fury is a fighting game after all. So yeah,
I know, what are your thoughts of that? Is that

(21:57):
is that gonna help? Is that gonna help bring in
new vises, new viewers.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I think it's unique because here's the thing, there's no
traditional way, there's no one set way of doing anything.
So if you can market things uniquely, if you can
have a different set of people that normally wouldn't watch
your stuff now pay attention because a new company's marketing it.
Think that's a good thing for every all parties involved.
So I think we need more of that. And to

(22:21):
be honest with you, you have to be very creative. I
don't like there's a guy on Twitter he used to
either cover boxing or covers it whatever. He's a hater.
I think it's Rick Slicer or something like that. He's
a hater and whever somebody, whenever the numbers come in,
he's quicked to blame out Hayman and quick the blame

(22:41):
other people. And you know what, you know you can
that's all right, you can do that. But to be
honest with you, that doesn't accomplish anything. Let's talk about solutions.
Let's think outside of the box to get the sport
we all love deep downside into more homes on more platforms,
market it better so that the casual people can enjoy it,

(23:02):
like we do instead of always hating the problem we
have with a merit with domestically with boxing. Everybody's hayden,
everyone's hat Oh that fighter ain't that good? Oh pay
per view, I'm not I'm not paying for that. Where's link?
Or oh I don't do I don't do PBC because
all haim exists, or I don't do this because uh
top ranks that. It's like nah, Like, let's let's figure

(23:25):
let's figure out how to bring more fights to and
make it more accessible. We should be having the old
nineteen ages nineteen nineties model of pay per view still
being prevalent today. We should be more advanced because every
other sport has been more advanced on how they showcase
their product except for boxing.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's fair and I am one anybody's listening to this
any other episode of this show will know that I'm
with you on how I hate the haters. How it's
always this no fighter is good enough, you know, everybody's
stucking everybody, nobody has a good enough resume, and it's
just it gets old. Man, It's just like the same
shit over and over, Like do you even like the.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Sport'st the last thing we're not doing things for the
betterment of the sport anymore. It's all about personal agendas.
It's not about, oh, you know what, I have my opinion,
but I got to get this agenda off r nah, Like,
let's focus on getting more fights and getting into where
people can watch them, whether for free or for a

(24:27):
very inexpensive way. It's that every must have to pay
per view is an old thing, and you're wrong. Every
gotta make the money. I get it, but we should
be advanced that point to where you got I remember
a lot most people watch on their phone, their tablet, computer,
et cetera. There should be something that incorporates that as well.
I just think that right now we're kind of in
a situation where we're stuck on the old model, old

(24:49):
pay view numbers. All right, Well, you can't add and
tell the full story because we watch the fight in
so many different ways. Now, I'm gonna be honest with you.
There's people who are on TikTok that were screaming the
fight and went on TikTok why for forty minutes and
showed the whole damn fight. Really a sorry ass, wi Fi.
So I'm just saying people are doing that. So you

(25:10):
can't use all of this big PPV only did forty
thousand byes blah blah blah thoughts on the full story.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I could any one of
us could go on Instagram live and just put up
our phones to our TV or you know in the
movie theater when they play the fights in the movie theaters,
I could just kind of have that bluet leg up
on there.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So all every fight, every fight they do at UFC boxing,
mostly boxing, for sure, somebody's on TikTok going live with
a gang people tuned in because a lot of people
aren't buying, they're not watching the traditional way, but we're
still judging fight success off of the traditional way of

(25:49):
raiding a fight, and that ain't it right?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, and you know the thing about the Times Square
fight and the Canelo fight. I'm not sure about the
one in London. But those those who are still going
to be pay per view but they're still again partnering
up with it must be again a huge company, Japanese company.
There's got a lot of money behind it, So I mean,
do you really also still need the pay per view numbers?
But but then again, if it's on regular TV, we'll

(26:12):
have a lot of commercials, but I don't know. It's
a give and take.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Remember the Saudis when they had the fight, when Crawford
fought in La last year, they had the eminem concert
the middle of the fight and all that, you know,
So you're gonna see more of that stuff because again,
they got to make their money. I get it. They're
going to take a loss on the fight, right, They're
gonna pay Can a bunch of money. You got a
fly everybody out there, so you're gonna take some sort
of loss on the fight. But it's for the greater

(26:38):
good because it's setting up things greater good. So that's
how it is.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I, like I said, at the
very least, this is an interesting partnership and just to
get into the Times Square fight specifically because that's the
one that's like different from what we're used to because
it's gonna be out in Times Square. Turkey Ella Shick
said it will be only one hundred to three hundred
people attending, which will be a spec limitation from him.
So it's not it's not open to people just the

(27:03):
general publics buy tickets, but it seems like the public
can come and watch it in Times Square. I've never
been in Times Square. I think I'd rather die than
go in Times Square, honestly, not in New York City.
Times Square specifically, it seems terrible. But have you ever
been out there in Times Square.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
I've been one. I've been in New York three times.
I've been to Town Square once. It's the most traffic I've
ever seen in my life. Sure it's busy, that it's
hotter because all the lights on, all the lights, all
the energy electricity that's there. New York is a very
interesting place. Some people have their feelings about New York. Ironically,
I like New York people. Ironically, I think they're kind

(27:40):
of misunderstood. I think they are. I think they're cruel
and funny in their own way. But I don't think
they hate. I don't think they mean bad though. It's
not Boston where people are like meaning racist and just
mean that waking up in the morning. I think New
Yorker is actually cool. They just gonna mess with you.
They're gonna mess with your signa joke with you. They're

(28:01):
gonna give you a hard time at first, just to
test you. But deep downside, I think they're decent, genuine people.
So it's it's cool with the fascinating place to go,
massive square, gardens old, but I think it's a classic place.
It's you know, it is the mecca of a lot
of things. But with that being said, I prefer fights
in Vegas. If you got to fight in Vegas or

(28:21):
on the West Coast in a more modern arena and
more control environment, I'd prefer that, sure.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
And they no hate to New York. I've never been
to New York City myself been up state New York.
But I just hate the idea of Times Square because
it's all those bullshit adds in like Giant Chili's and
like TJ Fridays, Like why would you go to a
place like New York City then go to Timeskirt to
eat at a fucking TGI Fridays.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
You can find that people don't have no sense. People
come to Vegas and go in and out, and they
live in California or Arizona. So it's one of those
things where people ain't got no sense, man.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Sure, and that's why you know what, And I could
say those people are living their lives wrong if they're
gonna go to New York City and if fucking yeah,
I eat it. Like I said, the Chilies and in
Times Square the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
New York bro, like what are we doing? Like?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I like traveling, so I always like to find, you know,
local spots, what's cool. Talk to the bartendercy where they
like to go drink. You know, if I go into
if I'm traveling and I go into, like I don't know,
a Buffalo Wild Wings, it's to ask the bartender where
they go to drink when they get off shifts.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So in Yoga City, I can eat here. I might
wear an old restaurant that they got in Vegas not
I know, if if FeAs the purpose, yeah, absolutely, I
will say I did.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I did go to a McDonald's in Tokyo, but to
be fair to me, it was inside a grocery store
I was already going into and I got a kariokey burger,
which is not they don't have the menu here.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah I'm already here.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah yeah, but no, I with you. You know, I'm
always going to try to The times that I'll eat
at any like chain restaurants or stuff for fast food
is when I'm so miserably hung over and it's like
I can't. I'm traveling and I'm like, this is close,
this is gonna have to do. I don't give a
ship like I'm gonna I'm about to die. But yeah,
so that's that's the reason I hate on times square
haven't been but just the concept of it, you know,

(30:06):
likey but uh yeah, but you know, the I don't
know is there? Do you think that they'll be set
up in a way that like a lot of people
can come and a lot of people can see this fight.
It's it's curiosity work.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'm just it feels weird, like it feels it sounds weird. However,
I'm always open to new ideas, like I'm always open
and curious on new things, new concepts because if it
works and we can do it in the future, so
I'm always opening it. However, as we know, boxing makes
money off butts in the seats, So angry a lot
more of these going forward. You ain't a mega fights

(30:40):
happening there because you got to be able to watch
the fight and you gotta be able to put people
get that gate. That gate is huge in a lot
of cases. So that's where guys make the money at
So not see a whole lot of bimentioned about the
concept though.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, that's the one. The thing that really stuck with
me is that, yeah, there's no tickets, like I said, like,
whoever those hundred and three hundred people, if they sell tickets,
they're you know, celebrities, friends of the Saudi's. They can
pay it, you know, five grand just like that anyway,
so it doesn't really matter. But yeah, with an arena, shit,
you know, you're you're sitting pretty and then all those
damn all all the food and boot sales, you know, seventeen.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
They make a lot of money off March. A lot
of mother all the accessoriess don't make a lot of
money off March.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I guess we can call this this particular event like
it's a stunt for sure. That doesn't mean it's a
bad thing. Yeah, it doesn't mean it. You know, if
it's a stunt that brings in more fans in the sport,
maybe the people who show up say, well, boxing is
cool as shit. I'm gonna pay attention to either the
next fighter, this particular fighter, et cetera, and they might
make a new fan.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I hope so.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
But but yeah, it's this is not a model for
it because the money's not going to be coming in.
It's but you know, again, the partnering up with the
video and company, maybe they broke even I don't know,
that's beyond my area of expertise. At the very least,
it's gonna be some good fights. So in the time
score event, we're gonna see Ryan Garcia fighting Will Romero,

(32:00):
Devin Hantey fighting Jose Rimirez and to tell Fia Ma Lopez,
Tomass fighting Arnold Barbosa. So good fighters, you know, good names,
good names names absolutely and then you know, like I said,
that's the second and then right the next day in
Saudi Arabia, Canelo, big name. So this whole event, at
least at you know what, that Mike Tyson's travesty was

(32:22):
a stunt as well, and that was garbage. So at
least this this stunt, this stunt has good fights and
a potential to bring some some faces in, some new
fans in I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
And also you you set up the next fights, right,
so if the favorites win, you fight up the next
stage of a Who's Next. I think that's key, Like
we got to get to the point where guys are
fighting at least twice a year, and there's big fights
people want to see. That's always the key, Like, we
don't care about the tune up fights. We want guys
fighting that are gonna make it different. So I'm all

(32:53):
with it.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, well, and I don't. I never watched the any
of the press conferences before for any matches. I just
don't really never can be cared about what happens outside
of the ring. But I did, you know, I was
doom scrolling through social media, and I did see that
there were highlights where Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney were
already going at each other in the press conference. They're
not even fighting each other, they're already setting that up.
So somebody who shows up go, wow, this Ryan Garcia guy,

(33:15):
he's good. Haini's good. They're gonna fight each other. Fuck yeah,
I'm tuning in, you know what I mean that.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And also, whenever there's a lawsuit involved, it's always going
to be interesting, always going to be interesting. So that's
how it goes.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, I wasn't planning on bringing that up, but since
you mentioned it, you know the lawsuit. So the last
Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fight was in April twenty twenty four.
Actually turns out Ryan popped positive for some kind of
fromance enhancing something or other I don't remember. Ryan won
the fight pretty decisively as a blood against Haney. Then

(33:51):
Hainey's team actually sued Garcia for like battery because I
attacked him. I think, what are your thoughts on that.
I know a lot of people are just clowning Haney.
I'm not cool with lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
At the same time, not callt Ryan testing dirty. I mean,
two negatives don't make a positive here. So that being said,
I think both parties need to get their shit straight
because this ain't it a lawsuit, and then the lawsuit
got thrown out, so we don't worry about that. Ryan
has too much talent and too much too much market

(34:25):
market ability to be putting himself in ways that he
can't fight. He needs to stay active because he actually
has something that he could take advantage of. Devin Hana
needs to put together pretty a couple of pretty good
fights going forward so we can see who he actually is.
So I think we got to get past that stuff

(34:45):
and get to what really counts, because there's fights that
both could have been made for both those guys that
could have been better for the fans. But we keep
dodging others stuff because stuff has happened. Devin Handy being
in active for this law doesn't make sense. He wasn't hurt. No,
you know, he's just been inactive. Ryan, I spent it
for a year. That's not good for boxing. Well, I'm

(35:06):
not saying he's the best boxing roll or not like that.
He's a famous name. He has a lot of skill.
The mental is all gone, but that's a whole different conversation.
But there's actually skill there. But being all for a
year doesn't help anyone.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Sure, Yeah, I mean I don't have any real opinion
on the lawsuit use of itself. I just think like
there is also this idea of not a lot of
consequences for shitty behavior in boxing. You know, I said
he got spent it for a year, but he's right
back we talked about you know, Canelo was told by
WBC that Dave been Avidez was his mandatory and if
he didn't fight, he takes get his belt taken away.

(35:42):
Didn't fight him, didn't get the belt taken away. So
like what are we doing here? Like why are there
rules if nobody's gonna give a shit. You know, why
not making a god damn free for all, you know,
four guys fighting each other in the ring, and just
whoever lives lives? I mean, come on, you know you
got you gotta stick to something here, So say they
would take you know, if you're not gonna get some
kind of but fit for taking a knee, then why
not the hell?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Why should anody making way all this stuff? You know,
we're boxers and the fans suffers.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Agreed, agreed, So that's my take on it. But cool, Yeah, no,
a very least. I'm excited to see this, uh, this
Times Square event and definitely be at the Canelo fight
the next day, probably be at the neighborhood, my favorite
Mexican sports bart here in town. This will be a
weird one because it's gonna be early. It's gonna be
like a three pm because.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
That is May third, technically.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Absolutely yeah, so yeah, so excited to see it. Let's
see what happened? So great man, that's uh, that's all
the news that's fit to print. Let's move on to it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
They took they took that event away from Vegas, that
US Vegas.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah no, no, because Canelos signed the fight deal with season.
This is the first fight in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I remember, we just it just came to me that
that that that's usually a big Vegas weekend and that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's so. Yes, Canelo's first fight
with three hot season is in Saudi Arabia with Crawford.
It's supposed to be in Vegas, but he's got two
more fights. Are they also gonna be in Saudi Arabia?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
It depends, right, So let's just say hypothetically Canello Crawford
is either very close or a draw, there's gonna be
a rematch. Now that's good. Everyone want to see. If
it's somewhat close, they'll run it back. If it's not,
then we'll see. But if it's any kind of close,
we're getting a second fight, probably in the same venue.

(37:28):
Because Allegiant holds sixty five thousand just seats when you
do the boxing, probably close to another five or ten.
So yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well and that that brings us a thing in my mind.
So what do you think Vegas is gonna be like
on second in my weekend? Ma, I'm assuming people are
still gonna be watching the fight, But what do you think.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
That saying, man like, honestly, Vegas depends. That's a big dog.
Since I've been here, and I've been in Vegas twenty
I've been in Vegas for twenty single Demayo's okay. I
every time there's been at least one big fight here
on that day, whether it's Floyd fighting, whether it's Canelo fighting. Hell,

(38:07):
sometimes it's been both. You know, they're on I'm saying
card at times. For neither of them to fight here
on that day is weird. They might be f C
day out here now because of it. Not happy about that,
but neither hear it. I'm there. But man, that's something
because Floyd started fighting on sicking to Mayo here, I

(38:28):
want to say as early as the mid two thousands.
But yeah, that's that's something like, that's truly truly something.
But again, I understand the play, you know, I get
what's going on, and whoever puts up the money as
the person that makes the decision. So that's just how
it goes.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Sure, and we've talked about this in previous episodes, so
go back and listen to those conversations. But you know,
like I said, I'm not I'm not specifically a hater
about you know, Turkey Yelashik and Saudi Arabian money coming
into boxing. It's more I don't have a problem with
matches in Saudi Arabia, just like I don't doesn't bother
me if they're in London. You know, they're New York,
like very far away from me. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I just want to see the fights.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, but it does make a difference. It does
affect our you know, the the Vegas economy, the you know,
Madison Square Garden in Vegas. They're fight capitals of the world.
And if boxing goes more and more towards streaming toward
Saudi money, you know we're gonna be We're gonna be
left in the cold a little bit, I think.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah. The only thing I don't like about the fights
and other places is the time difference. I'm used to
watching fights at night, so watching a fight in the
afternoon or watching the fight in the morning, they don't
hit the same. But whatever, we'll we'll make it work.
I just want to see guys fight and fight often.
I don't care about the extras or the raw route.
The money's right, fight and let's keep fighting twice a year. Minimum,

(39:45):
hopefully preferably three times when no one's hurt, but two
times minimum a year. Let's roll.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, I agree. Those Saudi Cards they started like ten
or eleven am the Undercards show. Yeah, but specifically you
know for the canell of fight. Hey, that just means
I get to day drink while I watch that fight.
So not a problem here. I'll be hung over by
like eight pm. I'll be sending you up text at
like four pm. Ticks are like, yeah, of course, yeah, Goup,

(40:13):
you get in my car? Watch what do you what? Yes?
Of course of up? All right, Moving on to our
pop pugilism segment. This is the segment where we discussed
a movie, TV show or documentary about boxing. Today we're
talking about a British TV show called One Thousand Blows
that premiered on Hulu in late February. Because this is
a new show that has some twists and turns, well,
we'll avoid spoilers you know here. The show was created

(40:36):
by Stephen Knight, who also created Peaky Blinders. That's the
show I know pretty much nothing about other than Killian
Murphy is in a shout out to him. Oppenheimro is
my favorite movie of twenty twenty three. But this show
stars Malachai Kirby, Aaron Doherty, and most notably two American audiences,
Stephen Graham. He was in Snatch the Irishman and he
played al Capone and Bordwrock Empire great actor. The story

(40:59):
takes place in the eighties in the East End of London.
Two Jamaican men best friends named Hezekiah Moscow and Alec
when Roe moved to London and get involved in the
underground bare knuckle boxing scene. And Stephen Graham plays Sugar
Goods in the crime bross who sets up all these fights.
Before we get into more details of the of the show, Jamison,
what did you think?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
It wasn't bad? Problem? Like, it wasn't bad, And I
guess it's the first season of the show, so it
wasn't you know it's gonna continue right that it's gonna
have a season two.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Technically, so yes, it's the first season, but it was
actually sold as a twelve episode show. So the first
season is six episodes. Yeah, yeah, but then that they
split up in two but I'm saying it's not ongoing.
They basically sold it and filmed it as twelve They
just split it up.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
So yeah, ah, okay, so we got six more that
makes sense, six more okay.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
And yeah that'll be a complete story. So it was
set up to be a complete story when they sold.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It, and they left wiggle room to add more they
want to make. Okay. It was cool like art so
considering the time it was, it wasn't bad at all.
When it comes to the boxing stuff, the actual production
was really cool, like it was done very well. Storylines,
character development, all that was really cool. Crazy grimmy story though,

(42:15):
Like it was wild. I mean the boxing was hella
hell illegal, Like we had low blows, we had rib shots,
we had uh behind the ear hit. Oh yeah, people's
legs get taken up under them.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And like each other.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, Like it was crazy. I ain't I've seen a
lot of stuff in my day. I've seen a lot
of fights in my day. I've gotten I've gotten my
fair share of my fair share of fights in my day.
So that's the last saw on that and that show
I ain't never seen before. Bro, that's crazy. It was crazy,
but it sucks because during that era, like black folks

(42:51):
and cano fair fight wasn't real fair one. It didn't
work that way. And if you did, You're gonna die.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Right, No, I appreciate the pression value was wild. I mean,
I'm assume Peaky blinder Peaky Blinders is a really popular
show because this thing had some money behind it, you know.
And Stephen Graham, as cool as he is, Like, he's
not a big name, you know, the name must be
the guy that created Stephen Knight, who I looked it up.
The only other thing that I know him from, which
is my favorite thing he's done. He wrote Eastern Promises,
which is a David Cronenberg movie that fucking rules.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Love that movie.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
So yeah, show was very well made. I liked. So
I picked it for this segment because I saw the trailer.
It was about bare knuckle boxers, but really boxing is
all through about the show. The show is about boxing,
and the great thing about it is there's a divide
between bare knuckle back room underground boxing and legit gloved

(43:42):
West End London boxing, and the gloves themselves are like
the symbol of the divide between these two worlds. So
there's a character named Mary Carr who's a head of
a head of a female crime gang, Rob's department stores
and shit like that, and she tells Stephen Graham in
one scene like look, as long as you're not wearing
gloves specifically, she heads in boxing gloves, you go. She said,

(44:03):
you'll always be seen as East End scum. The gloves
me You're in a sport for gentlemen, which I thought
was really interesting of how that, you know, what what
the gloves mean to this story, particularly why yeah, we
get to see the west End boxing club is very bougie.
It's very upscale. People are in suits and top hats
and shit. But the cool thing about the story of
that cool thing. But the the thing about the story

(44:25):
that works is that that west End boxing club is
just as racist towards Hezekaiah Moscow.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah thing, it was no change, it was no. Yeah,
we're talking hell London in general is what it is.
But that day, man, what are we talking about eighteen eighties?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm yeah, so I I appreciate the
realism of it. They're not going to say, and you know,
the show itself doesn't really take a stand on whether, yeah,
boxing with gloves traditional is like the better option. It's
just like this is an option and then just being
a you know, the back room fighting's comeback is also

(45:01):
an option, and Stephen Graham absolutely loves that, so you know,
that's his life and he doesn't know anything else, So
I appreciate.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
That right now. You know, it told the story very
well and unfortunately, like I'm half Jamaica, my dad's from Jamaica,
so I have family out there, So watching that is like, damn,
Like it's really liked that people literally escape at small
island and go somewhere and we'll do whatever it takes
to make it. And that's what it felt like, right
like when do we get dropped to that flashbacks of

(45:29):
his childhood and how bad it was and relations to
him and his dad and basically never quit because it's
all he had. That's all he had. That's why it
kind of sucks in this day and age we have
the boxes we have and they take things so lightly
because back then boxing didn't have no options. So that's
why it kind of sucks with you here nor there.
But for the for the film, for the product itself,

(45:52):
it was pretty dope. Like, to be honest with you,
it was pretty cool. I thought it was very well produced.
My biggest thing, to be honest with you about it
was for that era it captured the boxing of that era,
So I couldn't say the boxing scenes were trash because
for that era, that's what that's how they boxed. So

(46:14):
I gotta think about that. I prepare it for that era.
If I just thought with boxing scenes overall, probably not it.
But for that era it was pretty dope.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, and it's brutal. It's a brutal, violent show too.
The matches their bloody, and apart from the matches, when
people because it's a crime show, there's crime, keeper is like,
it's that it's hard a crime show. People are getting
fucked up in the show ways. They're getting beat up,
to get killed whatever, Like.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
It's it's people's blowing people's houses and spots up. Uh.
They one dude got stabbed to dell. It was it
was wild. It was wild, but it was a very
interesting story. But it was also sad too, basically like, hey,
you can escape to the States, have anue life, and

(46:58):
it was just it was really sad more than anything.
Like dude was fighting for survival, not at a leisure
you know what I mean, he was fighting because that's
all he had. They came there broke you know. It
was really it was unfortunate and both dudes got cheated
when they first fought like fast, and that second they
first fight, they both got like crazy did because they
were beating dudes that know, we weren't getting beat you know,

(47:20):
they were holding their own if nothing. El oh my
the second guy, the main character, he was out here
fighting and whooping dudes asked for the most part and
then they pulled the wrung up under him and got
him out here. We thought tanks. Uh, he was bad.
All that first second fight was crazy. They took dudes

(47:41):
legs and took it up under. They need him in the.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Face, got me in the face. Yeah that's boxing. Yeah,
and hez the Kanya Moscow is the name of the
main character. He even said like, well, you can't do this,
you can't do the ship in boxing. But it wasn't
legit but yeah it was behind the bar. It was
you know, I said, people came in pay to see
people getting fucked there and they are tired. There are
people talking about killing their opponent cavalierly like nothing to

(48:07):
be like, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight this guy.
I'm gonna beat the shit out and he's gonna die.
And it wasn't like an exaggeration. It wasn't like you know,
the guys in the press conference today saying they'll catch
a body. No, those fuckers will die in the ring,
in the in the show. So it was wild. The
other thing that I thought was kind of weird, not
even it's not a complaint, but Stephen Graham plays sugar
Goods and like I said, the crime boss, the the

(48:28):
big the guy who sets up the bare knuckle boxing matches,
he fights himself. I thought he was gonna have like
a criminal enterprise and like a gang. But his whole
criminal underworld is just those fights. Like that's why he's
crime boss. Like that's he says, like people have my protection,
you know, I pay the cos blah blah. And I
thought he was gonna be running guns or you know,
just having a whole No, it's just him and his
brother and his bartender and they're a criminal gang because

(48:52):
they box. Like I mean, that's fine. Like I said,
I just thought it was interesting. Thought it was weird,
but not really what I expected from these kinds of
crime shows. But I had a good time, you know,
I enjoyed it. I think the best thing I can
say about it is now I kind of watch want
to watch I want to watch Peaky Blinders that.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
But also the themes was kind of weird, the theme
music that the Yeah, it was kind of off setting,
but it was a cool all the way. You know,
it was cool all things considered. Like I said, I
enjoyed it. I kind of I want to see the
remaining part of it, whether season two or season one
extended or how they do it. So it was cool

(49:28):
and like Hulu has some good shows, So I was,
I was impressed.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Cool, Well, we rake things out of four gloves on
this show. What would you give this show?

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Three point three three three three three.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Three Okay, okay, yeah, I'll go three point five, you
know I was. I was very impressed. Yeah, even you
know what, I'll even go like three point six five.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Well, I thought about three point five. I figured you
would do that. So I knocked a little bit off
for them having a black guy. And to be honest
with you, it was I felt that it could have
been they could have dove a little bit deeper into
like the like how they got to Jamaica or how

(50:11):
they got from Jamaica to London. They could have dovelowed
deeper on the why or like, you know, what exactly
was the reason, Like was somebody chased them, there's a
better opportunity they just like I thought that it could
be a little bit more background outside of just a
meze call him and his dad situation. I thought it
could be a little bit more with that development. But
other than that, it was cool to me. And then
obviously since the end of the way it ended, will

(50:32):
know what happens next, so it was cool.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah. Yeah, don't don't go into this expecting a lot
of history of Jamaica or learning anything. It starts from
London forward. A couple of little flashbacks, very brief flashbacks,
some things that happened there is like there was like
a rebellion in Jamaica that was put down by the British.
So uh, but yeah, the story is London forward. But
we'll see. We don't most see. Maybe there'll be flashbacks
in the next set of episodes, in the next six.

(50:56):
Will you tune in for the next six?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I don't know. I'm very interesting. I'm actually locked in now,
so I'm curious see what happens. That's the biggest thing.
But also it's just kind of crazy that like you're
in one racist place and you going to another, like
you're going from England in London to the US, Like
it's like going from you know, one STD to other

(51:18):
like you you know, you said, I get antibiotics either way.
So it was with that being said, I hope, I
hope he has a good ending. He lost his boy.
He obviously is not home. He's basically out there by himself.
The person that he trusted the most basically stabbed him
in the back and was and it was hitting licks

(51:39):
while he was fighting and all and it all been.
It was wild. It was a wild, wild show. But
I do like that. That's the hell of a concept though,
and it's crazy. It reminded me of so I know
you don't watch a lot of other sports, but it's
been happening lately, is these athletes have been getting robbed
while they're playing in games. So they'll be playing game
at like seven pm and their house gets hit.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
So that ship.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah, so when he was boxing, it kind of you
know hit, uh, especially like oh, I've been having way
back then, so the same thing that's happening now. It's
been on a ring of those in the last couple
of years. But yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Really damn, that's that's wild.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
I know I had house like they know no one's
home if you're am your family's at the game. Well, no,
the house is empty.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh man, I had never heard of that. It's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, thieves know in La unfortunately, or in a lot
of cities, you kind of to figure out who lives where.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
So yeah, yeah, well definitely check out the show if
you're interested in not just if you're not a boxing fan.
I think the show is is good if you like
crime shows, if you like you're like violent crime shows,
if you like people getting fucked up, to be quite
honest with you, because they're getting sucked up at the show.
So I'm assuming if you're a Piggy Blinders fan, you
know this is kind of similar styles. So uh, and

(52:55):
check out Eastern Promises. You know, fantastic movie director by Cronenberg.
There's as got Ego Mordensen from Lord of the Rings.
There's a bathhouse fight Russian bathouse, where's even their naked
and his cock is flopping around while he's fighting.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Super great.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So all right, let's uh, we don't have a mail
bag question for today, so we're gonna save that for
another episode, So please write in any questions that you have.
So let's finish off with this Jamison. Where can people
find you on social media?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Oh? Before that, I'm gonna ask you a mailbag question. Question. Yeah,
no questions, man, go ahead, it's all good. I'll just
give you a hard time. What fight got you into boxing?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
What was the what was the fight? Probably your childhood
that made you a fan.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
You know, I can't think of a particular fight because
it was who is fighting? When I was a little kid,
we would get together at my nana's house on Houston,
whole family get together, pay for the pay per view,
and we did a lot. I remember, you know, sitting
in that living room kind of must have been like
three years or four years old, you know, my earliest

(54:02):
memories of that, And couldn't tell you who was fighting,
but I remember the the energy, the vibes. I remember
everybody in the room, my nana, my oldest nana with
her bad hip, bad you know, shoulder whatever, still jumping out,
you know, yelling, everybody cheering, and that energy, like that
senergy I still feel when I'm watching boxing to this day.
And it started there, you know, Yeah, everybody was a fan.

(54:26):
I remember when Canelo lost a bev all. I texted
my mom and I was like, what was it like
when you watch Ulosa sun Jamas Luise. She's like, yeah,
I fucking cried.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I was like, I know, I know what you mean.
I know what you mean. So it's that not one
in particularly, it's that period, that era. So again, my
family's all all Mexican. You know, I'm Mexican American, but
that having that you know, Mexican boxer, that pride there.
It still feels very similar today when I watch canulifis
that's why I'm a fan, and people hate on him,

(54:55):
and even if I can say like he's fighting somebody,
that's you know, to me, okay this and that. When
I go to see the match and I see everybody
getting together, getting rowdy, having a good time, it doesn't matter.
No other boxer, no other Mexican boxer makes me feel
that way that, you know, as good as they are.
Ramirez doesn't, you know, bring up that kind of hype,
you know, Hia Mugia. Nobody gets people that hype like

(55:17):
Canela does. And that's what I really love about boxing most,
that feeling.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
So I got you I got you so, like, it's
funny you mentioned that. So, like what Canelo does for y'all,
Floyd did for us. Yeah, and we got four Floyd.
It was kind of Mike who did it for us. Uh.
So I kind of feel you coming from. Uh, but
we're similar in age, so I totally understand where you're
coming from.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
For me, it's tough because I remember the only fight
I remember like thoroughly, with all the stuff going on,
I was like ten right, so like by some holy Field,
I remember, uh. But randomly I remember watching Riddick bow
and a lot of the low glow and all the
criziness with that. I remember those fights over interesting, but

(56:03):
it felt like the boxing matches where they were in
an event where everybody celebrated, everybody came together, way more
energy and passion. Now we watched to complain. Back then
we watched the chair and have a good time, and
that is uh, you know that's a little bit different. Yeah.
Our producers old as hell, he said, he's old. Over.

(56:25):
With that being said, Uh, with that being said, I
would say, I'm so I was born eighty six, So
I said, I mean I remember some of the stories
of like earlier fights, but like that ninety five to
ninety six range is what I remember at like got
me like, okay, I really like this, really enjoyed it.
I used to tag along with my dad and we

(56:46):
would go to my godfather's house and he'd always have
the fights on, like so I'd always tagle on watch
the fights. But I you know, I start knowing understand
what's going on in all the promotion around and every day,
knowing who Don King was and around ten or eleven,
and it was cool. It was I've been a fan
ever since, so it's been it's been dope to watch.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, no, I remember we watched Tyson fights as well.
For me, I guess I connected more with the little guys.
I'm a fat piece of shit now, but I was
a little guy scorning. So yeah, the you know, the
heavyweight fighters, that was awesome, but like you know, the
the lightweight guys, featherweights, you know, the guys that are
on that weight range. That's the guys that I saw
myself in, you know, especially as I grew older, teenager again,

(57:27):
still scrawny as hell. I was skinning for like twenty
five years of my life. But it wasn't until that
later that I started getting getting fat. So so yeah,
I definitely enjoyed watching Tyson as well, but I never
connected with the heavyweights and the and the bigger dudes
as I did.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
With the Well, we weren't a lot for Tyson's prime,
you know what I mean. We was such a we
wasn't around for that, so we didn't get to see
that unfortunately. So we saw a lot of holy Field,
We saw a lot of Daleye. We saw a lot
of Linz Lewis and Roy Jones and like Matt Koor
guys and beyond right, So uh, that's kind of like
our when we were ten and eleven ish, that's who

(58:05):
was cooking at that time. But but yeah, I was
kind of curious because you know, every everybody that watch
enjoyed Box. I remember that one fight their first, like big,
big fight. I remember that got them hooked for forever.
So I was kind of curious about that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, so man, great discussion is always absolutely cool.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
So producer got this random question that he knows better,
but he said, prime Roy versus Prime Canelo, that is
an interesting fight, but Prime, So where they at one
sixty eight? I guess they both be at one sixty
eight if I had one six. Yeah, that's interesting, you.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Know I do. If you remember a couple episodes ago,
I said, I never do the fantasy matchups. You know,
it's a good question, but also I always prefer, like,
who can people actually fight the stage?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Here's the thing, Roy Jones fought Mike Tyson a few
years ago. Let's say what happened if Roy Jeords came
back and fought Cadelo and another stupid show case. I'd
I'd rather discuss that than you could do fantasy matchups.
I don't know, I've so many things are different, you know,
in terms of styles and and just where boxers are
coming from, and you can't you can't just plug a

(59:17):
guy into another era.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, the generations are different, the training is different, the
everything's different. In hell. I mean, we knew Roy was
fighting for tax for tax money. We should have took
that consideration. But with that being said, yeah, it's it's
tough to compare errors. It really is.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah. Well, because I'm a fan boy, I'll say Canelo
would win. But if I want to say, whose music
I'd rather listen to is Roy Jones's rap music?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I would take prime Roy prime. Roy's prime is almost
better than anyone. I mean, his prime is up there
with anyone else's primis ever participate in sport. So with
that being said, apply take Roy. But man, i'd be
it's actually a really good question for like a fantasy
type of thing. But I'm with you. I don't like
comparing guys for different eras because so much stuff was different.

(01:00:05):
But yeah, that's a fascinating matchup. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Now I'm always going to go to like what are
the actual active fighters and what fights could we what
fantasy fight that could actually happen that aren't happening. It's
always whatever to talk about. So cool, cool, good discussion
as always, Man, appreciate it. I want to plug your
social media.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Man at Lee Jamison on Twitter. I'll be on their
talk boxing and stuff. And with that being said, man,
we got some fights coming up. We got a lot
of stuff going on we should get by the time
we come back. There should be a rematch announcement I
heard today as al as like five hours ago or
on Tuesday, there was an announcement that there should be

(01:00:47):
a rematch within the next few days, so we should
be getting something shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
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