TMCP Ep 15: Canelo, Bud, Inoue and More!

Jamieson and Classy were back to discuss an action-packed weekend of fights and events including Ryan Garcia's defeat, Canelo's latest tune-up match ahead of his impending showdown with Terrance Crawford, and Naoya Inoue's latest knockout. This week's Pop Culture Pugilism segment features a breakdown of The Hurricane, a Denzel Washington film based on the life, trials and tribulations of former Middleweight Ruben Carter.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sinn City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
with six wins.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Payments on student loans and two total painkruptcies hits the
Classy I'll go home.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Thank you. Welcome back to another episode of Mixed Company Podcast.
Of course I'm one of the hosts, Jamison Welsh, and
of course I'm also joined by the Classy Alcoholics Classy.
What's going on.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Man oh Man Jameson. I am feeling good because we
have a lot to talk about today about the fights
over syncing to my weekend. Even though a lot of
the fights weren't the best, I still love watching boxing
and I love talking about it. So hey, the more
fights are better. More boxing is good for business.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Right Absolutely. It's a good to see names that people
understand and recognize and have heard of before fighting. It's
also good to have them fighting in places that are
somewhat known or you know, somewhat that are intriguing. So
I'm happy that we got all that mixed into a
few days. So it was good to see sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I mean, that's a lot to cover, so let's just
dive in. We may as well go chronologically. I mean,
let's start with Friday, May second. The Ring magazine Riat
Season and Saudi Royal Turkey Ella Ship put on a
very hyped boxing showcase in the middle of Times Square,
New York. Ring was built right on the street and
the event was invite only. We'll talk about the individual fights,
but first talking about the actual event. I was keeping

(01:39):
an open mind going in, but once I saw what
it was like, I thought it was whack as hell.
The ring area was totally blocked off. Spectators couldn't see anything.
There was a small pen where fans could get in
across the street, but all they had was a TV
playing the live stream. They couldn't actually see any fighters. Honestly,
if that were me, I'd rather just go to a
bar and watch the event, to be honest with you.

(02:01):
But you know, oh, the fights were missing the roar
of the crowd, so the vibes roll off. But before
before I go on on an even longer rant, Jamison,
what were your thoughts on this whole event? Times Square
Times Square Boxing Showcase?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
It did not prioritize the fans. It prioritized whatever was
throwing it. It felt like, hey, here, I'm so rich,
I could do this. That's what it felt like to me.
It was like, all right, money's not an issue to me.
I'll put an event right in the middle of Times Square,
and yeah, if I got paid or if I'm involved
any way shipe or form, I'm not really happy about

(02:36):
that because I want to see the fight. I'm not
there to be a part of some some like some
publicity stunt. I'm there to see the actual fight. There
are people who paid money that couldn't watch fight, and
that ain't it Like. I don't care about the theatrics.
I care about the actual raw fighting, and I get
having trying events I'm all cool for. But when people

(02:57):
who pay for tickets can't watch whether it is, I
don't think that's a good situation. I'm not a big
fan of those things. Whenever the boxing matter comes secondary,
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know, you and I talked about how this was
very clearly a stunt, and I wasn't against a boxing stunt.
I'm not against stunts and boxing or in action movies
for that matter, more stunts, but I think that okay,
The question was, will this stunt bring in more attention
to boxing positively creates create some new fans of the sport,

(03:29):
And after watching it, the answer to me is a
resounding fuck no. To be quite honest with you, I
just don't see. All the announcers were like, this is
so special, it's so cool, it's so exciting. I was watching.
I didn't think so. I didn't really find it that exciting.
I mean everything. If you wanted to fence off the ring,
that's one thing. Blocking it off. Walling it off is

(03:51):
totally different. You know, if there were spectators just walking
by getting the actually see a fight, even from a distance,
that'd be cool. That'd be something you know that people
will get excited ou' and say, what's going on out here?
Holy crap, you know there's a boxing ring in the
middle of Time Square. But as it stands, the thing
just had like a bunch of coke dads and McDonald's
AADs in the back. Like that doesn't make it special

(04:13):
to me.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
It was a stunt. It was a marketing thing. It
wasn't for boxing. It was for a we're trying something out.
If it works out right, if it doesn't, all well,
it's just for marketing. I don't mind the thought process,
right because you want to do something big and bold,
but if you're not prioritizing the actual boxing itself, you
kind of lose everybody. And I think that's what ended
up happening. But I think it was a foreshadowing or

(04:37):
what was to come over the next few days, because
if you look at the boxing matches, you look at
what took place, it kind of gave the event or
the feel of guys are just there because they're getting
paid more than they're used to. It wasn't guys pight
of the best fight they could. It was fighting to
collected check. And it felt like all this was a
business arrangement rather than really good fights.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
And I have no problem with fighters getting paid, you know,
bigger bags, good for them. But yeah, this is an
issue with specifically Saudi money coming in and it's getting
so I'm not gonna say the Saudis are monopolizing boxing,
but they have a big stake in it, and it's
it's it's kind of close. It's getting close, and we're
on the verge of it.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Man, we got we gotta be real with it. I mean,
we see what they're doing. We see what's going on.
They got Canelo and Tans Crawford to fight in a
football stadium in three months from now, so we know
what's going on. We can't we can't be lying about this.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
And if yeah, let's say let's give Turkey Ala Shik,
the Saudi royal who's like the guy putting these fights together,
Let's say give them the benefit of the doubt and
say he truly loves boxing and he wants to make
it better and he wants to bring it back to
his heyday. I'm not saying that's not true. I'm saying
that if for whatever reason, the Saudi's as a whole

(05:52):
stop caring about boxing, what's gonna happen when they're the
ones that are propping it up the most right now?
You know what I mean? Like, where are we said
that they just stop caring for whatever reason?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
So what's interesting?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Because boxing always have a home. Like That's one thing
I think we all have to realize. I think right
now there is a run on sports where if you
can get invested in sports, it's the long term play.
So if you can get value in sports, you can
be in there. It's something like a stock. If you
get in there at the early part, in ten years,
fifteen years, it goes up, you can get a return

(06:23):
on your investment. Also, when it comes to the side
of money, they have so much money that they've been
trying to get into American sports. We saw what lived golf.
We've been hearing rumors about them buying parts of NFL
and NBA and Major League Baseball franchises. So they've been
trying to get into American in sports because the money
is so good. So boxing and UFC are prime candidates,

(06:43):
because there's always been murmurs about there's not enough money
in those two things. The fires don't get paid a
whole lot or only paid enough, so it's like a
perfect marriage. However, all money ain't good money, and we
need to see better planning going forward instead of just
throwing money out there and hopefully and stick.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Sure, and a lot of the fans have been just
raving about, Oh look, Turkeyoshik's putting these fights together, the
ones we want to see. He's actually putting these names
out there, like Gotter, be even Beval. You know they're
saying this guy's doing it. You know, he's making the
real fights. But then the same fans, even rightfully so, complained, well,
that fight sucked, that fight was boring. Okay, then what

(07:21):
are we talking? Can we make a connection here, like
can we put the buzzle pieces together?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
So getting Canelo and Crawford to fight in September is big, right,
That's a big fight in a football stadium. If he
was a guy who made that happen, kudos to him. However,
we got a hundred other fights that got to be
made and got to be done throughout the year. So
what about those fights, Like why can't we get Tank
and Shakie Stevens in the fight? Why can't we get

(07:46):
Boots in this and somebody else to fight? The problem
I think we've had over the last twenty years or so,
it's too many secondary fights that are being made and
not primary fights that are being made. And that's the
issue we've been as fans. We've been forced into accepting
that when that should not have been the case all
these years.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right, And I'm gonna be very much like Spuck in
this episode, very logical, you know, kind of give credit
where credit is due as we talk about all this
stuff and then also talk shit when I think it's warrented.
But just getting into the fights on Friday, you know,
I saw most of the tale Fe Malopez fight that
was he looked good. You know, tayl was in great form. Yeah,
he was light on his feet. He was doing the

(08:26):
perfect thing. We're throwing a punch, getting in close, landing
a punch, getting back out. That takes a lot of skill.
I've never been able to do that. I've never was
never that light on my feet, but I've sparred with
dudes that can actually do that, and it sucks. It's
it's frustrating, and when you got the defensive moves and
it's hard to land a hand on a guy who
gets in and out really quick, you know that that

(08:48):
greats on you. So he My favorite part of that
fight was the analoger saying, I have no idea how
Tayo Fima Lopez lost to camp Boso's junior many years ago,
because that was a fluke and George Kembosa's jeter kind
of sucks. So I think he had a he had
a good night. It was a fluke. He's a one
hit wonder. I think he had a lot of hype

(09:08):
after that fight, but it was more that Tayo had
an off night than Kembosa's was awesome. It's it was
so funny to bring it up because by myself in
my apartment, I went, yeah, I agree. I also can't
believe that Tail lost.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
That fight happens that way though it had. Boxing is
we were like that where sure, one bad night can
be a career changer, but also what you do after
that bad night, do you just can get better or
is that bad night who you become? So that's why
boxing is so fun and exciting.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Sure and Tail came back. You know, one of his
best performances was against Josh Taylor after that loss, so
you know, uh, he had a great performance Friday night,
so kudos to him. On the opposite side of the spectrum,
we had Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez. You know, I
I love boxing and I'm just I'm like the easiest

(10:00):
lay when it comes to boxing. I'm like, Okay, maybe
it's not the most exciting fight, but I love watching
guys download information, you know, move like their chess players
do this, do that. I give so much credit to
fighters because it's it's hard getting in that ring. The
training they do is super hard, so I'm not coming
in being a hater, but this fight suck. This fight
really sucks.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
A whole lot of punches thrown. I think that's the
biggest issue I have with these fights that are getting
set up, is it feels like they're literally taking the
money and doing the bare minimum to score the fight
and then moving on with their day. That's what it
feels like. What's going on. Yeah, it was not a
good fight. I mean, Devin Handy coming up the last
fight he fought, coming to this one, and who's buying

(10:42):
Devin Handy stock right.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Another thing I'm very I have a lot of leeway
on is you know, I'm not the guy to me
say one bad fighter, one loss makes you a terrible fighter.
A lot of fans would be like, hey, hey he's done.
He lost the Gircia. He was awful again. He could
have had a bad night. But this didn't make me
want to give him any any credit, you.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Know exactly, looking like like the Garcia thing. I don't
really know, we know now, I kinda I have different
feelings about that fight now than I did, you know,
back then. But with all that being said, when you're
Devin Haney, you've had the resume you've had to this point.
We expect more from you. We expect a dominant performance,

(11:26):
elite performance. Just didn't get that. It was kind of like,
I hear you go here, you go, damn take this
and I'll go about my day and wait for the
next fight. It wasn't no oh show, I'm the best
fighter in this building tonight and y'all don't see this.
I can't wait for the next one. It wasn't anything
close to that at all.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
But also, let's not forget Devin Haney's best performance was
against who George Kemboso's junior, who he absolutely demolished. He
went to Craikey Island and he embarrassed that man. Was
that was Australia or Ireland, Australia Kembosas Australia. Sorry I said,
I said Criiky Island because I mean no. He went

(12:06):
to Australia twice, both times embarrassed that man. But again,
I think just Cambosas isn't that good. So I think
Haney was overrated. Possibly he was rated well because it
was an excellent performance against not a great fighter in
my opinion, So maybe we're giving too much credit to
Haney honestly, maybe he's not the elite guy. And he

(12:28):
didn't look very good. He won against Lomachenko, but he
did not look great, and a lot of people cried robbery.
And that's one that I'm not going to go all
the way say robbery, but I will say it was
not an elite performance either. So he's not really showing
us that he's got what it takes, I think personally,
And uh, that's bummer because he's a he is a
talented young guy, and I don't know, I mean, the

(12:50):
all of the hype for Garcia Haney rematch is kind
of sucked out of the building, out of the balloon. Yeah,
on that topic, So, uh, these Rian seas and these
these Saudi backed fights, you know, they have a lot
of these trailers, really expensive outland as trailers that we've
seen for like Fury versus Ou Sick and stuff like that.

(13:12):
They had one for this fight, and it was all
Hani and Garcia going at each other, you know, talking
shit to each other, but they weren't even fighting, Like,
what are you doing? Don't hype a fight that's not happening.
It's like it's like sometimes you when I see a
shitty movie, and the movie like either references another better movie,
or the characters are talking about it, or sometimes the

(13:33):
characters are watching like good Fellas on a TV. And
I'm like, I'd rather be watching good Fellas than this
piece of shit, you know what I mean? So I why,
I just I'll never understand they're trying to pre hype
a fight that that isn't really wasn't even like settled, right,
there's no specific date set, and look what happened. Maybe

(13:56):
maybe Turkeyola Schik is getting too big for his breeches
and he's kind of high in his own supply, you know,
he thinks he can make anything happen. He's gonna have
an awesome Garcia Haiti fight, and not everybody wants that anymore.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with this one here. I think
that we need to see boxers prove themselves in the
ring before we give them an automatic date and a
high profile situation. I think we've given too many boxers
have benefit of the doubt based off of their name
and what they did in the past, rather what they're
currently are, what they're currently about, And I think when

(14:32):
that when that changed, I think we get some better boxing.
It's been a rough man like Honestly, certain guys make
a name. Certain guys also falter. Certain guys also that
loss of the experience changes them. Man Like I said
the hany thing after we know now with Garcia, it's
a whole different situation. Now it's a whole different thought
process or whatever. But man like, some of these guys

(14:53):
ain't that good, Like this is not that good. There's okay,
fighters that have been propped up to be good fighters
and they're not.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Wee did the announcers too kept saying, is that is
Haney gunshy because you know he got they got pretty
uh trounced pretty and pretty protecular fashioned by Garcia. But
also it could be maybe he doesn't want to get
hurt before you know, the Garcia fight. You know, we
talked about how when you have a big fight, you
want you that could be coming up. You don't want
to get injured, you want to you don't want to

(15:22):
get your ass kicked, et cetera. But then the other
side of that is if you look shitty in the ring,
we won't want you. We won't want to see that
other fight anyway.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
So here's the thing now, So since what happened in
the other fight, do we even see that fight now
or do we get a Ani versus roll freight what
happens here?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I still okay, I still think that we get a
Haney Garcia reimagine. Even though, like I said, the oxygen
has been sucked out of the room, if you're the
marketing people can still get blood from the stone to
you know, mix metaphors here, I think they can still
try their hardest to push the fight. Uh. And you know,
it's like, uh, you know, I keep making movie references

(16:04):
because there's two things that I love as much as boxing,
and it's movies and also drinking. But it's like people
are getting tired of Marvel movies. There's like thirty of
them now. But even so even the people to get tired,
they see a trailer and they're like, oh, maybe Marvel's back,
Oh maybe this one's gonna be a good one, you
know what I mean. Kind of the same thing of
some fans. If I see, you know, Hani versus Garcia

(16:26):
two announced, if I see trailer, if I see a poster,
I might go, well, it could be good.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
So I'm gonna throw a stat at you regarding the
Handy fight.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Okay, a good one.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Devin Handy has thrown four hundred and thirty eight punches
over his last twenty four rounds. Oh boy, good man,
it ain't good.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, I don't see who else. Yeah, I mean Hani
Rowley might be a something to salvage his his career.
But uh, well, I guess it's the perfect zegue into
talking about you know, the hype for Garcia and Garcia
versus Roli Romero. That was a huge upset. Roly won
by decision, uh, putting Narcia down in round two. I believe,

(17:12):
I think it's right. Yeah, And uh, this, I'll tell
you this one was personally heartbreaking for me. This one
broke my heart. I thought my soul died. And it's
not because Garcia lost, because I don't give a shit.
It's because I was rooting for Roly and I didn't
fucking bet money on it. He was such an underdog.
Oh I would have made bank. I would have made bank.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
You didn't bet either, Nah, I wasn't. Honestly I wasn't.
It ain't crossed my mind and say then next, oh shit,
he's up, and then yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, I uh, and you know, I don't bet
very often, definitely not as often as you. So yeah,
it just it wasn't in my brain. But I was
rooting for Roly. I thought he had a chance. I've
never loved Garcia anyway, to be honest with you. You know,
good talented guy, good power, decent speed is all lost.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, he reminds me he has a lot of Adrian
Bronner in him. That's not good.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
He there was a lot of stories about, you know,
he's back, he's on the wagon, he stopped drinking, he
stopped being an asshole, whatever it is, and they were
hyping his return to form after being off for a year.
But at the end of the day, I always saw
him as like a you know, a guy that bullies
his opponents, walks them down, which is fine, you know,
she's just just over overwhelms them with power. But when

(18:29):
he's working with someone again against someone with high ring
IQ like Tank, he doesn't got it. And and let's
not forget Roly Romero was knocked out by Tank Davis,
so I'm sure he learned a lot folk in his
tie with Tank and watching Tank and Garcia. So I
Garcia is like Tyson Fury to me and that he

(18:50):
has a particular style that works, and but there's a
particular fighter that he needed to bring him down. Does
that actually work?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Doesn't actually work?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, it's I mean it's he he wins fights and
he has uh he's a big name, but the.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Handy fighting more knowing what we know now, but that
fight be taken away from him.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Well, it's it's more that there's a particular type of
fighter needed to bring down that style and he has
a tank. Tank and Roly uh were needed to bring
down Garcia. Usik was needed to bring down Fury. You know,
Anthony Joshua, I don't know, was probably not gonna do
ship I happened, Yeah, yeah, but I.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Think Rolle was fighting for his career. Yes, Roly was
fighting to basically be a relevant boxer. Ryan Garcia was
fighting fighting because it was May third. It was two
different types of fight fighters in that on that event,
and that was the thing that was very evident. It
felt like Ryan Garcia was filling out a quota and
it's like was fighting to save his career and it

(19:54):
showed that night.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I agreed, and also we saw in the tank fight
that right or see it was Gunshi after putting being
put down. You know again, he's he's a big guy,
he's he's a tough guy. He bullies his opponents, but
when they don't back down, he gets a little, a
little nervous in that ring. And I think we saw
that as well on Friday, So shout out to Rollie.
I think he's a good fighter, and also he's really funny.

(20:19):
Like I usually don't watch like boxers interviews. I don't
watch any of the press conferences. I only care about
what happened in the ring. But I came across some
he was telling a story about when he was younger
and Rowley was when he and his friend snuck in
to try to see a Kendrick Lamar concert. I don't
know if you caught that. It was on Instagram. Yeah,
So so he got busting, got busted by security, He

(20:40):
got like thrown down. He said he had asthma because
they were roughing him up, and he didn't actually, So
I was cracking up, and I'm like, you know what, Roly,
I like you, like you're you're very charming and likable.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
But he's overcome a lot of stuff. So, like I
always a field good story. He went from a box
that was like on people's undercards, and he's the guy
you tune up forty it right for the next guy.
But for him to have this kind of performance is
actually cool because he's actually like, he's actually a good dude.
Like he's a Vegas local, so I know people who

(21:13):
know him, I actually know him him. He's actually a
good dude. I know he talks about the shit and
all that stuff, but he's genuine, like a good, genuine dude.
He's not fake, he's not phony. If a kid actual autographing,
actual autographic picture, he's gonna take that picture. So I'm
actually glad he won. I hope going forward he builds
upon this. I hope it's not the best night of

(21:34):
his career. I hope he builds off this, because hell,
you keep on knowing what you're doing, gonna get paid,
and he gonna have some good fights with some championship possibilities.
So hopefully he keeps it up.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, at the very least, he's probably gonna get big fight,
big hype, big money, big person for the next one
off of this win, and we'll see what happens. But
I know i'd say that he's earned a spot and
not the cream of the crop, the tippy top. You know,
he deserves to be in the conversation. And yeah, he's
got a couple of losses, but again that doesn't mean
that he's a shitty fighter that needs to be written off.

(22:05):
You know, this whole concept of yeah, if you don't
have a zero on your record and know on your
record that you're worthless. Like, I hate this modern thinking.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's impossible in this day and age because there's only
one Floyd all Right is prioritized being undefeated, and he
markets it very well. That's fine for him. Everybody gotta
run their own race, and everybody gotta do what they do.
I feel that a lot of fighters that they figure
out who they are as a person, where they are
as a boxer and focus on that may be a
lot better off and still trying to pretend on to

(22:35):
somebody else or get out for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Right, Well, shout out to Roie for the best performance
of that night. Oh again him and Tail. Moving on
to the next day, you know, Saturday, May third was
the return of the face of boxing, Canelo Alvarez fighting
William Skull from Kuba Uh. This fight was also a snoozer. However,
speaking personally, I went to my favorite Mexican sports bar,

(23:01):
the Neighborhood where they always play the Canelo fights. I
got a ninety ounce tower of beer. So let's say this.
I was a bored like I if I was different,
I was having a great time again.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I was out with the people.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
There's a good crowd, you know, good food, good drinks.
And that's the thing I'm about. It's like, yes, I
enjoyed watching it by myself at home, especially when it's
a great fight. But it's like again, like again, like
going to see a movie in the theaters, Like that's
a very special event. That's a very special thing, and
it just makes it more fun. So yeah, you know,

(23:34):
I'm trying not to be a hater. And it's not
just because I'm a Canelo fan boy i am. But
hey man, you know, I had no complaints about the
night about Saturday night, but I'll say that. But anyway,
your thoughts Jamison on the uh On the actual fight itself.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
It was a tune up fight, but it was very inactive.
It was very like, hey, this is a business decision
type of thing. Let's get through these twelve rounds get
to the show in four months. That's what it felt like.
Watch people were kind of mad watching it. They didn't
know who the other guy was. They're also mad Canelo
for not dropping dude. You know, it was a lot.
It was kind of weird. But at the same time,

(24:10):
we all kind of knew what the situation was, right.
We know what the big prize was, We knew what
was gonna happen. First of all, every knew Canlo is
gonna win. We also knew there was a high probability
of the guy not getting knocked down or knocked out.
We all kind of had that idea. I will say,
if Canelo fights like he's looked the last couple of
times out versus Crawford, I may have some concerns the

(24:33):
same I may have. I'm gonna leave it at that. Now.
I don't know if Canelo is downplaying opponents to save
up for September or what. But the last couple of
times he's been out there, it does not look like
the number one pound pound guy or the face has
not looked like that guy. Still an elite fighter, but
not the best. And the one thing we know about

(24:53):
Chance Crawford is cams. Crawford's gonna come and fight his
best fight. He may not win, but we know what
he's He's gonna be aggressive, he's gonna trying to out box,
and we know what's coming in September. Canelo has to
get to a different level. He's gonna you know, beat
you know, Bud in four months. Let's be interesting to see,
but they fight. It felt like, honestly, if I have

(25:15):
a payday and to keep things rolling, that's all. I
felt like. It was nothing more, not.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Less well, and if you go back to even our
pilot episode, which I don't recommend because I suck shit.
I didn't know what I was doing, but we talked about,
you know, the possibility of Canelo taking even taking the
butt fight. You were very confident that was gonna happen
this year. So credit to you. Shout out to you
for for getting that correct. I was skeptical because I
was thinking, Okay, as long as Canelo thinks it's an

(25:42):
easy win and in an easy big bag, he's gonna
take it, and he might, but he shouldn't specifically about
you know, skull. He he he was show voting and
moving around a lot, and Canlo says like, well, I
hate that kind of fighter who jumps, who moves around
a lot too much. But at the same time, you
got to cut off the ring. That's a skill. Use

(26:04):
as a concept, you know, using your footwork, dodging, bobbing
and weaving, and you know, frustrating the other opponent for
not who can't land. That's a valid strategy. You get
more tired when you miss. But great fighters they don't
just make the opponent miss. What's the second part of
that strategy, jameson, make a miss and not be hit.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
That's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, make him miss and make him pay. So Skull
wasn't letting his hands go if he really wanted to
frustrate it. I think he did frustrate Canal. Canelo is
frustrated shit. In the tenth eleventh round, he looked tired
of hell. So Skull had the opportunity to kind of,
you know, come in quick fight an opening, and he
just didn't do it. Credit to him for taking those

(26:46):
Canal's body shots, because Canelo is a power puncher and
body shots are no joke.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Have you ever taken like a liver shot during a scrap?
Jameson m liver shot. No, I've taken one eye. I've
taken a kidney shot before. It's not fun. I've taken
a shot behind the ears, not fun. I've gotten punched
in the throat before, not fun before, not fun.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Sorry, I meant. I meant kidney shots that I meant
to ask because I asked, because that's happened to me
inspiring a few times with dudes that they were not
going one hundred percent. So I've gotten hitting the kidney
like kind of hard and it fucking sucks. Its Yeah,
I understand why body shots are so brutal during during boxing,
and again, Canel is a power puncher. He landed a

(27:34):
couple of very clear, good body shots and Skull took
him in stride. You know, uh maybe two Skull was
goddamn enormous. I didn't realize till they to their face off.
He's taller, he's beefier. Canella looks skinny compared to him
at this fight, so maybe he was worried about Skull's power.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I don't know if it was that, because here's the thing,
Canal one hundred and fifty two punches. That's very low
for him, very very low. Actually, anybody actually, but a
very low amount of punches, which is not but it's
not really good. But again, it felt like an exhibition.
It did not real fight. It felt like, hey, let's
get this money, let's fulfill the contract and move the
move everything along.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, that night, the fight before, uh just before was
Badou Jack versus Nolan mckalin. I don't know anything about
those guys, but that was a solid fight. You know,
they were they were letting their hands go. Nothing crazy happened,
no knockouts, you know, nobody gotten, nobody getting rocked or
anything like that. But in terms of just a solid
two dudes that were there to fight and landing blows

(28:36):
and taking them, well, I thought that was that was
That was a good fight. But uh yeah, so and
then there's yeah, the big, the big thing that happened
at the end. Again, I'll give Turkey Ilo shake credit
for credits due he took a major l on Friday
with this stupid Times Square boxing ring idea. But when
he said where's Bud Crawford, Let's have these two guys

(28:58):
face off, I was fucking who and hollering in that bar.
I was clapping so hard, like the table next to
me because if you guys a tournament, like who you
got in that fight?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I actually don't know, baby, Bud blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
We started going back and forth into you know, me
and these guys who we thought would win, and yeah,
I'm still hype, man, I am still hype about you know,
two of my favorite fighters possibly like the top two
going at each other. It is also a stunt like
why would Bud go up three weight classes now to
to fight Canelo?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Other than we know why, we know why? But here. Yeah, anyway,
the big money fights are only available for so long.
Why the longer you wait, the longer you risk anything happening.
So you gotta take advantage while it's there. And also
remember Bud Crawford became the guy, like the the guy
after this be spens what he did. Like before that fight,

(29:51):
there was no ts of fight Canelo. It wasn't So
you gotta take advantage while it was there because they
won't always be there.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
True And uh this god, this is like maybe got
over a month ago. You know, we fed a couple
of episodes with with interviews. We haven't really done a
traditional show, by the way, go back and listen to
episodes thirteen and fourteen to listen to US interview professional
boxert Trinia Choa and PR manager Emma Leaguerd, and they
were really good episodes. But I read an article where

(30:19):
bub said echoed basically what we had talked about before
that he said, I don't have to knock Canelo out.
I just have to beat him. I have to beat
him in terms of points, get as many hits on
him as I can. And he said, I think the
article actually said, my plan is not to knock him out.
So he knows what he's doing, he knows what he
brings to the table. The question is you know what's

(30:40):
Canlo gonna do? He definitely ask the.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Question will be enough? You know, trying to win on
the cards in Vegas versus Canelo is a very tough task.
I don't know if that's the task I would go
into that fight. But again, Kanz Crawford's a confident and
his abilities. I salute him for that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
But if the fight looks like again Devin Haney versus
George Campbosa is like that was not ambiguous, you know,
went to the cards, but the I actually I enjoyed
watching that fight a lot like I said it was
in Australia and there was you know, everybody came out
going out for Cambos and then you heard the hush
of the crowd after the halfway mark, that the wave

(31:23):
of sadness from all those all those cranky folks and
Cambos is also Greeks. Everybody had like big flights of
like Spartan helmets and they came in all like raw
raw raw, and then it was like, let's see what's
going on on Twitter here in round eleven. Yeah. So
so again, there's always that possibility that, you know, to

(31:45):
the naked to the to the most casual fighter, if
they watch Campbos versus Haiti, like, there's nobody that's gonna say, oh,
that was a robbery and Bud could good could Bud
could possibly pull it off? I don't know. We'll just
have to see.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Definitely can, especially after watching the last couple of Cano outings.
I mean, who's to say that, you know, I'll be honestly,
see what the betting line is. I'll be very interesting
to see what that betting line is when it comes out.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, I'd be very interested. Also a question for you,
you know, they were talking about the fight happening at
Allegiance Stadium with the Raiders playing Vegas. Have you been
to that stadium, by.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
The way, it's a very nice stadium. It's not as
nice as like so Far or Jerry's World, but it's
very nice stadium. Having seventy plus thousand in there for
boxing is gonna be interesting. But yeah, it's a it's
a good of it's a good place to have that
kind of event. And also we know the money is
what the money is, so we understand what's that play here.
But now it's a very good situation and I'm glad

(32:40):
we're gonna We're gonna get the fight, and I'm glad
they're putting it in there like it's necessary for that
kind of video.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
See, I'm really curious about what that's like for fans
in the nosebleed Seed watching boxing. You watch football, you watch.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
On the screen, you watch on the screen. You're not
watching it.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, okay, but like I don't know, I'll not go
to a live event and watch got m screen.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
You gotta understand a lot of people like to be
just like to be in the building that's living in
a destination city during holiday weekends. People just happy to
be in the city. They may not be doing that,
but they is happy to be there. A lot of
people can be happy to be there, say that they
were there, tight pictures, the whole nine. But then I'm
just sitting they sit closer to the Southwest Flights than
natural ring.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, okay, And that's a fair answer. So, and the
reason I brought it up is because, you know, speaking
about myself personally and being a giant venue is like concerts,
for example, if if I'm not really cuss, if I'm
in the nosebleed seats, if I can't afford like I mean, nowadays,
what like a six seven hundred dollars ticket for a
damn concert a big day. But let's say back back
when I was, when I went to big shows, if

(33:42):
I couldn't afford like let's say, two or three hundred
for something, you know, halfway done for good, decent seats,
I just wouldn't go. It'd be less fun if I Yeah,
if I have if I could afford only afford like
seventy five bucks and I was in the middle of
the goddamn you know, they said closer to the Southwest flights,
as you said, I would just skip it, you know.
So uh for me, I can't see myself being in

(34:03):
the nose police seats for a fight with guys that
look like ants a football game, you know, like I said,
it's got it's got a big, big area they're running
from them. It seems a little different to me. Same
thing with basketball, but boxing specifically, it's it's a tiny
little ring. But but you make a good point. You know,
the vibes, the vibes are immaculate. Then I can see that,

(34:25):
all right. Next up, let's move a Sunday May fourth,
the card that people said saved secret to my weekend.
Uh now, yeah, in a way from Japan. Fought Ramond
Cardinals for the first time. You know, I fought in
the US for the first time in four years in
Las Vegas. Did you make it out to the actual
fighter or what's what was watched?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I watched on TV. I honestly, since the fight came
on Sunday, I didn't even think about it, actually, go,
I didn't think about actually until it was on, til
the car was on. I didn't think about attending because
Sunday has told me off.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
That's why, and that what I really want to know
from you. Is did you have an idea of what
the vibe is on a Sunday night fight. You know,
it is a major fight. It is seeing Good to
Myo weekend, which is a big deal for fights in Vegas,
but this is kind of very different tell us about
life in Vegas during a Sunday night See Good to
Mayo fight.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
So all right, so it's funny you mention that because
the Canelo on the Canelo Crawd fights on us Friday, right,
not on Saturday. But it's gonna be very interesting because
normally people start coming into town Wednesday night Thursday morning
and they say the whole weekend a fight being on
fight is gonna throw everything off. Normally fights aren't on
Friday or Sundays for various reasons, for obvious reasons, A

(35:37):
Sunday fight with a non Monday holiday doesn't make sense.
It just doesn't like and I get we get why
this fight was on day wen, We understand it, but
it just is very hard to grasp why this doesn't
quite add up. With that being said, Vegas on a
Sunday is a very tough pool. The people who went,

(35:58):
they said the vibe, cool, atmosphere is cool, but it's
not a Saturday Saturday. You get more people out there.
You got more people, you know, wanting to be in
Vegas for Saturday Sunday. Hold on, a lot of people
got work on Monday. Can't really pull that off. And
next weekend is Mother's Day weekend. Two weeks from now,
two weeks from then is Memorial Day, so you don't
have a lot of people that got like that. This

(36:20):
was this was the first of the month. Rent was due,
So you know what I mean. It's not the same
as it was on a regular weekend, but in general,
man Vegas fight weekends. Bro, It's crazy. You started to
get to fill on Wednesday or Wednesday night, Thursday morning,
you start to get the feel that it's different, Like
this weekend is be different, a lot of people coming
in town, a lot of things going on. Be careful

(36:40):
first and foremost. We start to get the feel of
the weekend. I would say by Thursday morning, somewhere around
between before noon, you're like, Okay, it's apposed to be
a nice weekend, especially if it's two really good fighters.
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Okay. Interesting. See Vegas is just like another world to me,
and I figured like, yeah, Sunday night in Vegas. It's
good to know it that is still like a consideration
for people in Vegas. Yeah, Sunday night, Yeah, those Monday mornings.
I don't know. It just seems like it just seems
like another goddamn to mention where yeah, we have work,
but whatever, we'll either blow it off or will show
up drunk or I don't I don't know what I

(37:13):
think that Vegas is like, to be honest with you,
I have been since I was like maybe twenty two
for a bachelor party, and that was that was a
long long time ago. I don't think i've been since honestly,
but but I do know. Yeah, like I said, it's
it's a whole the world. But in terms of the
actual fight, the eno a fight, it was very exciting,
the chatter about it, you know online, the comments where

(37:36):
this is what we wanted all weekend, high volume fight.
Two guys come on a brawl, a lot of punches
thrown in a way as an undefeated fighter with like
I think it's like eleven KOs in a row, something
like thirty total. I don't have Sorry, I don't have
the stats, the actual stats here, but amazing fighter. He
got dropped in round two. He got a really good

(37:59):
host of face by more kind than us. The only
the second time he's been put down, both times by
Mexican guys. I just want to say that it was
so cool watching an in a way fight live because
if he fights in Tokyo and depending on daylight saving
his time, sometimes that's like four am my time, our time,
so so. And then by the time I get to

(38:19):
the replay, you know, all the highlights are on social media,
and you know, you basically know all the You basically
know that he knocked the guy out because that's what
he's good at. So said, you know what around had happened,
There's no surprises seeing him go down and round two again.
I was clapping and hooting and hollering by myself in
my apartment to nobody, and it was it was super exciting.

(38:40):
So stuff like that is what makes box amazing and
super fun. And seeing it is just an amazing fighter
fighting out of his element and still coming to kick
ass was was great. So shout out to Noah in
a way. But what does this tell us about boxing
as a whole? That the best of the weekend was

(39:00):
the free one on ESPN, not he tells you what
it is like.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
One. Here's the thing. If someone one, we want to
be entertained. The NA fight was entertaining. It was the
most entertaining fight of the weekend. It showed, Okay, the
best guy, some people's best guy in the world can
get dropped and regrouped and close the show rather quickly.
So that was cool. But also here's the thing too,

(39:28):
it's you gotta be able to see guys, right, but
you're not from here. Us people who live in this country,
we think that everyone from here is the best at
whatever they do, or it's better than whatever else is
going on in other countries. So until we are proven otherwise,
we're not gonna believe you until we see it. So
you can't put him on pay per view because no
one's gonna pay for it because people don't know about him.

(39:49):
So they had to put on an ESPN. You have to.
We know about Devin Haney and Garcia and Rowley and
all those guys. Obviously you know about Canel, but he's
on pay per view, but or you got a paywall,
as just say. So, it's a little bit different when
somebody from not from here that the general public still
trying to figure out who he is. You got to
have him for a freak of not knowhe's going to watch.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Him, right, And I'd say that anyway, it wasn't very
well known to non boxing fans, like I knew who
he was. I believe you told me you'd watch his
fights on replays. But you asked even a boxing fan,
not just like a casual rando on the street, a
boxing fan, you know, do you know how awesome now
you know is? And they're gonna say, uh who. But
another thing in the showcase is just how global boxing is.

(40:34):
I mean the announcer he you know, did the intro English,
Spanish and a Japanese, which I thought was badass. I
thought that was that was super cool. So yeah, you know,
that's another reason why I hate when boxing fans are like, oh,
so and so is fighting who he said nobody, Well,
maybe you haven't fucking heard of this guy. You don't
know you know five names. If it's not one of

(40:56):
those five names, it's to nobody. Shut up that.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
But also if people have in a way on they
number one guy poundful pound, I understand it. I mean
I agree with them, I understand it for sure. I
just think it's tough with those divisions to be the
best guy in the whole sport. I think it's tough.
But again, he fights an entertaining brand of boxing, and
it's something we haven't necessarily seen in a while, so

(41:20):
I think it's dope. I think it's really good to
see now. The one that I will see is this,
if he becomes more active and his knockouts become more
viral and more common, I think you got something. But again,
you also got to have elite fighters that fight him
as well, and we don't know how that's going to
go right.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
And then hey, consistently the man fights twice a year,
you know, and he sticks to it, so credit to him,
you know. We don't have a lot of guys doing
that unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I never I don't count put people's pockets, and I
don't like talking about at people who making money. I
don't like doing any of those things. However, the boxers
are getting paid too much money for the product that
they're providing. I think for the product that we're getting
overall is not worth the prices these guys are getting paid,
and until that changes, I think we're going to have

(42:10):
more issues overall. In the sport. I'm not saying guys
shouldn't get paid. I'm not saying guys should take a
pay cut. We're not here to see a box with
throw one hundred and fifty two punches in twelve rounds.
That's not what we're here for as fans. And it
feels like overall a lot of boxes are just showing
up and expecting to get the top dollar without providing

(42:31):
top production, and that doesn't that's how business works, that's
not how sports works. If that continues, that will not
work going forward. I don't care who is bankrolling this thing. Eventually,
the fans and the people be like, you know what,
I'll watch the highlights or I'll watch it when I
feel like it. They won't tune in at the peak
of its live production. So you got to make sure
that you don't keep insulting fan, your fans, your consumer,

(42:55):
because when we're seeing lackluster fights an effort, that ain't
cool to see three blowouts and three dominating fights and
seeing guys wanna throw ten or twelve punches around.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Right, and not just we're not just talking about how
much money the fighters is getting paid. We're talking about
how much money the fans are paying for pay per
view matgics, which has always been expensive. As shit. Boss,
He's like the elitist elite, the most elite of sports
in terms of what it costs to watch, you know, help.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
On fights, traveling women bore all that shit matters, man.
And there's still people who are our age and older
who will still go to fight because their favorite boxer
is fighting, or somebody they grew up with fighting, or
somebody from the area is fighting. There's people who will try,
whether they'll fly, drive whatever, they'll pay for tickets, pay
for hotel, spend money in that city. You can't take

(43:46):
that for granted because when it's gone, it is gone.
It will not come back.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Bring it back down to the micro level. This weekend,
the neighborhood had a cover because it was fight night,
and if we wanted to reserve a table, there was
a feed per person. What you did, so like even that,
I don't think most places charge a cover when you're
going to watch, you know, the Super Bowl. I can't imagine,
Like I I've never had one, but I can't imagine
even the bigger places, you know, they have a big crowd,

(44:13):
would do that. But covers for fight night. That's so
pretty common. You know, they're the Do you remember that
that weird fight between Canelo and You'll Deer him from
like four years ago I think it was. It was
it was like one of those mandatories. He already had
plans to fight in May, and then he just randomly
said I'm gonna fight him in February just to get

(44:35):
this out of the way, which yep, I thought was
totally badass. But I knew that fight wasn't gonna happen.
So what I did. I went to go watch that
fight at a tindy bar here in Tucson. Shout out
to ten Show Club, which of course as like, yeah,
they normally they have a cover, but it was extra
cover because it was fight night even then, even for that,
so like again.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
For that though, So boxing is different than other sports.
The reason why they charge the cover is not because
they're greedy. If it's a pay per view fight and
they're a business, they get charged more than the regular
price we get charged at home. So a business, one
man paid a couple of grand to show the fight
because their account of business account. So it's not like,

(45:15):
oh I just pay one hundred dollars for the fight.
Here you go. Nah, sometimes if there's like a bar
bar it sometimes they gotta probably fifteen hundred for the fight.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Sure, And I'm not even complaining about cover charges a
Bar's all I'm saying is that again, with things that
are specifically pay for you, if you're gonna want to
see a cano fight, that shit's going to be pay
per view. And if you're already planning on a night
out drinks, food, it's going to be you know, at
least one hundred bucks, then another twenty forty sixty if
you've got friends on top of that, it gets Yeah,
if you're and if some people are kind of not

(45:45):
excited about the fights for the weekend because they've been
boring before, you're like, I'm not, I'm just gonna stay
at home, maybe even watching illegally blah blah blah. So yeah,
it's gonna all it's a spectrum of like how much
is going to affect top to bottom is what I'm
getting at. So and then you know, and yeah, if
I'm going out for fight night, I'm always going to
plan to have, you know, spending way more than I

(46:06):
usually am. But but again, you know that's even though
the cano fight was kind of dull. I had a
fantastic time. Like I said, I was hooting and hollering
by the end. The night Tower of Beer probably had
something to do with it, but it was also also
the excitement of Buon of butter fighting Canela. I'm cool.

(46:28):
So any more thoughts on? You know the weekend, you
know the Saudi's coming in Saudi money, you know qulifights.
I mean, we think it's pretty exhaustive, but.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
With all due respect to everybody involved, I'm glad we
got a fight, actual a lot of boxing for a weekend.
It was actually good to see over a three ice fan, however,
so I want to get that off the way. However,
with all that being said, well, either people deserve better.
You can't say that you're trying to win, you're fighting
your best fight when underfit team punchers are being thrown around.

(47:02):
You just can't. You can't tell us that like, we're
not here for that. I'm not saying you got to
go out and brawl and forget all your principles, not
saying that. I'm saying that as fans, we want to
see more action. We are supposed to see more action,
and until that gets figured out because it felt some
of the fights felt like highly ranked exhibitions and that

(47:23):
ain't it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Okay, okay, no, that's perfectly fair. And yeah, you know,
I still really cool that there was fights three nights
in a row, fight nights, three nights in a row,
and it's fun and I would love to see more
of that. But yeah, I would also like to see
guys being more active. Well, Jameson, Let's move on to
our recurring pop pugilism segment where we discussed a movie,

(47:46):
TV show or documentary about boxing. Today we're talking about
The Hurricane from nineteen ninety nine, directed by Norman Juson Jusen.
He's directed a lot of stuff I've heard of but
haven't seen, like Jesus Christ, Superstar and Fiddler on the Roof.
One of his I have seen is In the Heat
of the Night with Sidney Poitier as mister Tibbs. That

(48:06):
movie rules. The Hurricane starts Denzel Washington, who needs absolutely
no introduction. It's based on the true story of a
boxer named Rubin the Hurricane Carter, who was wrongfully imprisoned
for murder in nineteen sixty six and stayed in prison
for almost twenty years. So we're going to talk about
the real Ruben Carter and how a story comparison to
the movie. But first, Jameison, what did you think of

(48:26):
the film? Had you seen this film before and what
did you think of it as it stands without any
comparison to real events.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Saw it in the movie theater way back? Okay, I
think I may have the DVD somewhere or I have
the DVD somewhere. I remember watching the theaters, remember watching
on cable back in the day, like HBO all of
the years, etc. Etc. The movie itself was good, like
the movie like acting. There was a lot of money
behind it. It was a Denzel movie, like you know
what I mean it was. It was good, Like you know,

(48:53):
the movie itself was good. The storylines and actually what
really happened, those are some things I was not aware
of until recently. But the actual movie itself was really good.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah. I saw this when I was a kid, thanks
to my mom. You know, I have my taste of
movies from mom, and she introduced me to a lot
of stuff and she really liked this one. The song,
the hurricane song about his plight, the protest song. I
didn't know until now, because this is the first time
I've rewatched it since I was a kid. That's a
bob Byllen song, which means I actually now know to

(49:24):
bob Byllen songs. This one, Yeah, this one and the
one from the beginning of The Big Lebowski, so I
can name literally two of that band songs. But yeah,
you know, the performance, Denzel's performance phenomenal. Probably one of
the old timers. I saw this one I was a kid.
I saw Malcolm X when I was a kid. I
haven't rewatched Malcolm X, but I'm really interested to go

(49:46):
back and to see how it stecks up to this performance,
you know, not to not to compare and say, oh,
this one's better than that one, Bubba, but just to
see you know him at his peak. I've got the
Malcolm X four K disc from the Criterion collection. I
just haven't popped in and yet. But yeah, So the
gist of the story, Denzel gets arrested, falsely accused for

(50:09):
a murder. Two guys got shot at a bar. He
was convicted. There was some shady goings on with case.
We won't get into like the minor details of it,
but it's really not a boxing movie. It is more
a prison drama and the legal drama.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
That is correct. That is correct.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, they do have a short period where you know,
he's he's fighting, and they do film some fights. But
it's a long movie. It's about just under two and
a half hours. But this is one that I think
makes sense for it because there's a lot of story
and they go through a lot of stuff in this movie. Sometimes,
you know, the biggest defenders are action movies that are
two hours or more, and I'm like, you could have

(50:48):
cut out fifteen twenty minutes easy it made a great movie.
I don't think that's the case with this one. I
think it needed the time and the story. I don't
think it got boring. I think it was paced well.
The biggest things that stuck out to me were when Denzel,
when Ruben Carter goes to prison, he refuses to put
on the prison uniform, which really happened. They throw them

(51:09):
in the hole in isolation, and there's a long I
should have time it, but there's just a long scene
of Denzel just slowly performing going crazy in isolation. You know,
over several days, he's talking to himself, he's getting more
disheveled than everything, and it's just incredible, so so interesting
to watch. And just when you think, all right, this
has gone on too long, it goes on even longer.

(51:31):
But I think it works. I think it really really
shows you know what that's like. I'm a loner. I'm
happy going without talking to people for several days at
a time. But I also have movies, TV, my phone.
You know, people think I see stuff on like Facebook
or Instagram. It's like, would you stay in isolation for
a week or a month for like ten million dollars, bro,

(51:52):
you cannot survive that. You would go nuts. You would
not enjoy the ten afterwards, right.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Ten Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
No, no, no, that's that that's meant to drive people
fucking nuts so.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And make people kill themselves. That's why it's there.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yes, Now, So when it comes to movies based on
a true story, I've never had a problem with things
being made up for dramatic effect. Honestly, you know, these
aren't drug documentaries. Uh. This movie particularly had a lot
of stuff that was made up. Some of them I
don't really understand. I think it was it didn't really fit.
So for example, one particular example, they show a fight

(52:33):
between Denzel Sorry, Ruben Carter and Joey Giardello in nineteen
sixty four, and in the movie, you know, Ruben Carter
is shown to as a blowout wind but he gets
denied by the judges, and it's very clearly made to
see seem like it's a robbery, probably for reasons of racism.
But in real life, Joey Garedello won that fight easily,

(52:56):
and even Carner himself admitted that, you know, Jared Ell won.
So it got to the point where Joey Garedello sued
the goddamn movie production, like why, yeah, why would you
do that when the guy could still see it and
like be pissed, Like I'd be pissed and be.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Liked write history that ain't it?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah? I mean and I and I know why they
did it because they wanted to show movie.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
We understand.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah, they're also they're trying to bring in issues of
racial prejudice, racism, etc. But I don't know, man, it's
it's that part takes place in the sixties. There's a
lot of examples of racism against black people in the sixties.
You could have.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Used and wa, yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Another same thing that Dan Hadea plays a cop, a
fake cop that they made up loosely based on the
real cop in the case, but he is in the movie.
He's arrest and Zone when he's a kid and keeps
following all all his life and has a grudge against them,
and the movie started implies that this guy is the
one working on putting den Zel in jail. But that's

(54:02):
not what really happened. The cop wasn't first met Ruben
Carter after the arrest. That thing I didn't really like, Sure,
do you want to make him a villain? But I
think it diminishes the racist system, And it kind of
says like, well, it was this guy because he's just
an asshole, Like it's this character is the villain who's
been you know, had had a heart on for putting

(54:25):
den Zel in jail this whole life. But that then
says that it wasn't the system. It wasn't the system
that was racist towards black and brown men and brown
people for decades. Right again, there's so many examples of racism.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
That you could use.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Hell, you could have just taken a real example of
racism that happened to anybody else and put it in
this movie for dramatic effect, and I would have liked
it more so. Yeah, so I yeah, I think that
that's stumbled for it. But the movie as a whole,
amazing performance and look, I'm only human, know, I get

(55:00):
a heart. I was gonna choke up at the end
when you know he had his peel eventually. You know,
I really spoiler because this happened. And uh, as a
film kind of ignoring like the the rewriting of history,

(55:21):
it's awesome. It's it's really emotional, excellent performances, and I
think it's a recommend. We we rate movies out of
four gloves here, how would you recommend this one? Rate
this one? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
The acting part is like a four, right, Like the
acting and everything like a four. The movie plot, the
information itself somewhere between the three and a three point
two five, but the like, the acting was top notch.
Of course it's inzel so I'd go like a three
point six.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
That's that is so funny because I was gonna say
three point six for the movie, and very specifically it
was gonna say acting is get the four four gloves
literally that's what I.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Was planning on saying.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
So yeah, same thing. Yeah, you know it's I mean,
I think it is. It is. The movie is really
good as long as you remember that it's kind of
a bullshit compared to the real, the real story. But
I don't remember which movie Alec Baldwin said this in,
but he once said that's bullshit, but it's very good bullshit,
and I think that's that's kind of my uh what's

(56:20):
what i'd say about the Hurricane. But you know, if
you're a Denzel fan, you should, well, first of all,
you should have probably already seen this if you're a
Denzel fan, to be honest, but definitely check this one
out and check out Malcolm X. I haven't rewatched it myself,
but I remember being really good and uh yeah, pick
up the uh the Malcolm X four K this from

(56:40):
Criterion Collection.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Definitely.

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