TMCP Ep 18: Is Netflix Good for Boxing?

Jamieson and Classy are back for another fantastic episode of The Mixed Company Podcast. Today's rundown:

Richardson Hitchins vs George Kambosos

Keyshawn Davis drama right after our previous episode. Missed weight, fight canceled, brawl post visit

Canelo Vs. Crawford will be in Vegas and on Netflix

Is Netflix’s involvement in boxing a good thing for the future?

This week's Pop Pugilism - Don King: Only in America (1997) dir. John Herzfeld


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welsh and
in this corner standing in five foot nine wayne pounds
with six wins.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Payments on student loans, and two total painkruptcies hits the
Classy I'll go hold.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Thank you. Welcome back to another episode of the Mixed
Company Podcast. Of course, I'm one of your olds, Jamison
Welsh and always I'm joined by the classic alcoholic Classy.
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh, Jamison? Feeling great today? Stoked to be recording episode eighteen.
Our show is officially old enough to vote and purchase
lotto tickets, but not old enough to smoke because you
have to be twenty one years old the smoke nowadays,
But that's okay because you and I are here to
bring all the smoke that people will ever need. We
got a lot of boxing to talk about, so let's

(01:03):
I want to get to it at first. I always
like to open shows with a shout out wherever necessary,
and today I'm going to give a shout out to
you because you just had a birthday last week. Isn't
that right?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Appreciate that. Yeah, last Thursday turned thirty nine, So time flies, man,
like time flying. Man. It's one of those things to
where if you when we were young, we used to
complain about things going so slow, But get older, you
complain that things are going so fast, and you see
your friends kids grow up, you see your siblings grow

(01:35):
up like I was since at sixteen, and she's doing like,
you know, adult stuff and all that stuff. So yeah, man,
it's uh, yeah, it's a lot going on. But I'm
happy to eat be here. Happened to make another year,
and good to join this great podcast that we have
and keep growing.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a little bit older. We were born
the same year, but I was thirty nine back in February.
So you know, the next big adventure is the Big
four Row next year. Yeah, we're I'm excited. Actually, I'm
not excited about my hangovers tripling in length because right
now they're double. Like they doubled in length, they're gonna
be triple probably.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So but since we're both that, we're still young, we're
still spry. And this morning I woke up to greet
the day with some whiskey in my coffee, and I
walked over to the local news stand to pick up
a copy of the Boxing Gazette, the premier source of
boxing news, and on the front page there was a
story about an excellent performance over the weekend from Richardson Hitchins,

(02:32):
an undefeated boxer from Brooklyn, crushed it at Madison Square
Garden against personally I think the most overrated Crikey boxer,
George Campbos's junior. But Jameson, did you see the fight highlights?
At least? What did you think?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I saw the fight. I saw the fight. I'm a
big fan. I like boxes that talk shitting back it up.
Do you have a lot of boxes that talk a
lot of like we have a lot of guys that
talking to a lot of antiques. But to see someone
talk shit for you fight, I as you tossh it
during the fight and then back it up, I'm impressed.
And we need more of that. That's what we need.

(03:07):
That's what the sport needs. More of that, because we
get a lot of guys talking and doing stuff and
blah blah blah. But when it comes to fight night,
they throw hundred punches. So to see this kind of
performance in a venue like that, I'm impressed. We need more.
We need more big fights with him, agreed.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, and I'm with you too. You know, I've always
said on the show that I never care about what
happens outside the ring, the press conferences, the face offs,
because it's all the same thing. I'm gonna knock you up,
I'm gonna knock you out, blah blah blah. You know,
I hate you and they play it up. But most
of these fighters don't really hate each other. But you're right.
You know, when somebody talks a lot of shit and
then comes in and hardly throws any punches, just kind

(03:46):
of dances around the ring, you think, what was that for?
So yeah, shout out to Richardson hitchins Man. You know,
I he was actually not on my radar. I believe
I went through his his fight list. I think I
saw him fight against somebody, but it didn't stick in
my mind. So I don't know if it was just
a bunch of other fights or but I knew the name.
But this was an excellent performance.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Possibly he wasn't at this level at the time at
the last fight I saw him, but uh, round eight
TKO with the body shot against Cambosos. He even got
an early body shot. Oh, I think it was like
round four. Yeah, it wasn't wobbled cambos. You could tell
he was hurt. There was blood in the water and
he didn't let up light on his feet. But also

(04:32):
why did his see pasteadios? I was gonna say, like, yeah,
not intimidated, kept advancing, just a wonderful one of performance.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
So he didn't play with his food either. He knew
what he was there for. He took your business, and
he's better. He's there for bigger and better things going forward.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing his career. You know,
he right now, let's see what I got here. He
is now twenty and oh with Akos consistently been fighting
twice a year, so now he wants He called out
Tepus and Devin Haney. You and I have had our
opinion on Devin Haney sort of knows Dove a little bit.

(05:11):
I don't know when you think about that matchup, tail
Fema would be the more challenging one. He still he's
still got it, I think, But I don't know what
are your thoughts on on those potential matchups, and I
would so.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I don't know if he'll be favorite by versus either guy.
But I would I would take him versus either guy
at the moment from what we've seen lately and the activity,
the talent and the skill sets that we've seen, I
would take if I had a bet, I would bet
on him. Now again, that's with if he's an underdog
in a fight, if Vegas has him at different odds,

(05:43):
then yeah, I would take him betting wise, I'm not
impressed with Devin Haney at all. I'm not. There's nothing
you can do to tell me until further notice, to
get me excited about Devin Handey fight. I'm tired. I'm
simply tired. There's nothing where you can sell me on him.
We we don't need to go with this anymore. Personally,
I personally have heard too much talking and non a

(06:07):
performance in the ring. That's the first thing. Also, he
hasn't done anything like With all due respect, I get
he's one, but I get that. I get the belt's part.
That's the belt Park's becoming very overrated because very easy
to get a belt nowadays than when it was forty
fifty years ago. However, with that being said, no one's

(06:27):
afraid of Devin Haney like No one's afraid of him.
No one's like, damn, I gotta fight deva hate next week. No, no,
no is he is he a good fighter, He's okay,
he's fine. But in terms of an elite fighter that
people are scared of and people are ducking nah, people
are what people want to fight him, that's how they
think of to a female similar, Uh, he's more annoying

(06:48):
than anything with some of the yeah, all the rings things.
Probably a better fighter if I had to say, of
the two, but they're kind of similar in terms of
like they both accomplashed things, but no one was afraid
of them. Like people want to fight them because they
have names. And we'll see. I think, honestly, we need
a different group of boxers coming up, younger guys, guys

(07:10):
that have not gotten attention in the past, to kind
of take over, because we've seen guys get to this
stage where everyone knows him and kind of flat line,
kind of plateau where they're not as active. There's a
bunch of excuses, there's weird things going on. We need
fresh blood, we need active fight. So I'm all four,
But we'll see what happens. You know, boxing is interesting.
We'll see what happens in the next few months. But

(07:32):
I would love to see any of any of those
two guys get with them. Either one would people to work. Now.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I'm not going to count out tell Femo yet. You know,
he's he's at his ups and downs. I think he's
still very talented fighter. He definitely has not fallen in
my esteem like Devin Haney has. Yeah, he got a
lot of criticism for his performance during the Time Square thing,
but he was moving. He was best he was. He
was sticking and moving and he was He was also

(07:59):
show voting and dancing around, which is his style. But
I don't think that that he's lost it. Really, it'll
go it kind of we're gonna see soon if he
fights again. He did pass on the Devin Haiti fight.
People said that Teoe Fema was ducking him. Could it
also be that kind of the same thing. He's not
excited to fight him because it's not much of a challenge.

(08:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I think I had more to do with the money
break down. I think there are with the negotiations with
the Saudi people. I think there's a lot going on
with that and it broke down. But it was heard
at one point it was made, at one point it
was confirmed, and then a few hour later it was
backed out.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So I don't know, no, no, Well, I guess the
last thing we can say on this is that after
Richardson Hitchins's performance against Cambosa's tail femal Lopus had no
business losening to that dude. Man, he had no business
losing to Cambosa's I don't know what was wrong with
that day. You know, they had the damn flu or.
I don't know his dog die. I have no clue,

(08:56):
but there was no way. I don't see what. I
don't have no idea what happened.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, you'd have I'd be shot, Like I didn't watch
the fight, I'd be shocked. You told me that was
the result when those two guys fought. Like But like
you said, boxing happens. Boxing happened. At the end of
the day, boxing does happen or nothing you can do
regarding it.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
An upset can always happen. But yeah, at the end
of the day, shout out to Richardson Hitchens for a
wonderful performance, and we want to see more from you
and from a better fighter who's not as overrated as
Cambosas correct, correct, all right, so we need to figure
out what you gotta talk about, you know, maybe having
a new emergency episodes. When something major happened.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I thought, you know what, I thought about hitting you
when it happened. For several reasons, I actually work with
people who are who live and work in the area.
My day job has a lot of people in that state,
so I work. I'm on a team with someone who
had tickets to the fight, and that was talking about
the fight two weeks in advance, and they were severely

(09:58):
pissed off about all the antics and events that took
place during that situation.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
So what are we talking about episode seventeen. You know,
we were all super excited about Kishon Davis coming back
on Saturday the UH. I believe that it was the
seventh and what was the day before that Friday? I
think it was announced that number one, Kishon Davis didn't
make weight. He was like four point three pounds over
Now the fight didn't happen, It got canceled. Other fighters

(10:25):
they've come in overweight, but you know, they the fight
still occurred. They just didn't, you know, have the championship
belt that they were fighting for. But this one Edwin
Della Santos, who was set to fight Kishon Davis. He said, Nope,
not going to do it. He didn't hold up his
end of the bargain. I worry about him being you know,
higher weight class and being dangerous for me. Blah blah blah.
So the fight was just scrapped. I'm trying to think.

(10:47):
I was trying to wreck my brain to remember recently
in recent times, like how has there been fights that
have been just canceled after somebody doesn't make weight? Because
I can't remember. I think Ryan Garcia came in over
for the Haiti fight.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Right, yeah, yeah, either way. The it's one thing that
comes over in a fight, like coming in over four
pounds is crazy, like you're not taking it seriously. Also,
the amount of money that you have to forfeit is
just it's just ridiculous. But you're not a serious fighter.
If you come in that that many pounds are aweight

(11:19):
a pound, I can see it should happens. Not saying
it's good, but I can see it. Anything more than
a pound and a half is like hey man, like
what are you You're not serious? Like you're not You're
not serious? And four pounds. Is disrespectful to the sport
and respectful for everybody who's invested in this event. Is
disrespectful to all of us who wanted to watch the event.

(11:43):
It's just extremely disrespectful. They're taking the fans for granted.
And that's the shit I cannot get behind. We cannot
we cannot support shit like that. We cannot tolerate it
like that. You should be suspended when you come in
that much overweight. Your job as a professional boxers to
stay and shape and make sure your skills are sharp.
If you can't do that, then you don't deserve to

(12:04):
get paid. You don't deserve to get any future fights.
For a while. You need to sit back and reflect
and think about some shit. And then you have the
audacity to cause a scene in another fight where people
actually made the weight. Nah. Fuck that. I'm sorry, excuse
my language, but that ain't it. Like. We're hardworking people.
You have a day job. I got a day job.
A producer got a day job, and other producers other stuff.

(12:25):
We have a certain amount of time and resources we
dedicate to certain things. And for you, as a professional
boxer to come in overweight like that, I can't I can't.
I can't support it cannot.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And I am not disagreeing with anything you're saying. I
am one hundred percent on board. I will sort of
take a little different track on this conversation because you know,
if you listen episode sixteen, we talked a lot about
rehydrich clauses. We're not gonna rehash that conversation, but I
said that I think if you're gonna work so hard
to make weight, you should be able to fight at
that weight. And when Kisha didn't make it, the announcer said,

(13:01):
you know, he was talking about how that was almost
passing out trying to make weight on the scale, Sugar Stevenson.
I think he said he was literally pissing blood because
he had so much typicalty making the weight. That's at
that point, it's just dangerous. At that point, there's one
thing where you know you had too many twinkies or
you were literally putting your life at risk. And if
you're if you're going to be in that state physically

(13:24):
to get to a particular weight class, that means you
can't fight there. You can't get into the ring if
that's what it took to get you there. So I
think maybe you should just kind of reassess how hard
you're working to cut that much weight, is my personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Or if you're just not disciplined enough, I think it's disciplined.
I don't think it's cutting weight. I think it's being
disciplined in between fights. You got to be disciplined. If
you're a guy that's supposed to be at one thirty
five one forty. If you normally walked around at one
fifty one fifty five and then you cut fifteen pounds
four a fight, that's fine. That's fine. But if you're
getting one fifty five, one sixty and up between fights

(14:00):
and then you try to cut up twenty five thirty pounds,
that's hard doing. If you can't do that, then you
need to consider some things. You need to reconsideration things,
or let people know ahead of time, saying, hey, we
need to change where this fight what wait, this fight's
gonna be at if possible, because I can't make one
thirty five. You can't have a fight canceled period, But

(14:20):
in your hometown, nah, nah, ain't no way.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well and you, yeah, you made reference to it a
second ago, but not only that, but we found out
that apparently Kishan and his younger brother Keon assaulted another fighter.
The fighter that beat his older brother, Now he are
all bright. So in between matches they went to an
interview with now you're all bright and he looked fucked

(14:46):
up like he had a big welt on his forehead. Yeah,
it was bad and apparently that happened in the locker room.
Then afterwards there was footage of a brawl in the
hallway where Kishan had to get ejected. It was a
shit show, like straight up, that's what it was. My
question is can this somebody? Can Keisha Davis come back
for something like that? I mean, we've heard stories about

(15:07):
fighters doing fucked up stuff, so you know, years and
years and years we have we've heard all the stories.
Is missing weight and then the behavior on top of that.
How much is that going to hurt his career? Can
he make amends, can he come back or is he
basically being written off? And is he going to end
up At two PM? Before the fights happened at eight
or nine.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
So the two pms after you'd have been dropped a
few times, so from to the fights a few times
and you got to people you should be losing two
to be fighting at two and three to four pm
local time. But that being said, he's talented, so he'll

(15:47):
get other opportunities, but the money is gonna be different.
So instead of making seven figures, the next fight might
be in the six figures, just based off of and
then it took place. Plus he lost out on his
money from this past fight. He didn't get any money
from that. That's all lost. And I'm glad that happened.
Because you don't play boxing. This is a career. This

(16:07):
isn't no part time thing. This ain't no hobby. This
is a fucking career. You guys, stay in shape. This
is what you do. You gotta stay in shape. It
ain't no ah, well you know all this drop five
pounds and no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's ridiculous. Like I was very disappointed. I heard four
and a half pounds or whatever it was. I was like, what,

(16:27):
like again, a pound happens, That's happened. Time, that's happened.
Sometimes they'll give a box for two hours and come
back and rewigh like we've we've heard and seen that before.
They back in the day and they used to give
a guy a shot and it would like flush stuff
out and basically, you know, there'd be things that you
could do to lose a pound. But when I heard four,
oh no, we're done here, why you can't, I'm glad

(16:50):
the fight didn't happen. I'm glad he learned a very
valuable lesson. Now he's talented enough to overcome this. It's
gonna be a lot of work he's gonna need to
put in. And be quite honest with you, he can't
have any setbacks. If he messes around and loses his
next fight, or the next fight is very shaky, it's
not looking good, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, Now, I believe I read that because Edwin Della
Santos chose not to fight, which was his right and
his prerogative, that he just got the first money, right,
like that money that was put up for the competition.
He just got it. You know, Scott Free which Hey
shout out to him. You know, other fighters might have
gone on with the fight, but he said, I held
up my end of the bargain. This guy didn't. That's

(17:30):
not my fault. You know. To talk to your chucky
man over there.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
So here's what happens when something just takes place. So
let's say the weigh in that three people, let's say
that noon. Let's say is that noon. Just make it easier,
they'll give you several options on what to do. So
they all get the camps together and say, hey, what
resolution do y'all have. So let's say if it was
a pound, they'd say, hey, come back in three hours,
will we weigh if he's able to make way? Cool?

(17:57):
If not, we'll figure out some sort of count actual
thing to where the perse you know, perfect pound he's over,
he has to give away one hundred grand for each
pound or each half pounds whatever. So that's how it's
normally worked out. But when it's four pounds, there's really
not much to work out, Like you're kind of not
leaving someone in any choice. Four pounds a lot of

(18:18):
fucking pounds in boxing, man, Like, that's a lot of pounds,
especially for like a main event type of situation. It's
not a secondary event, it's not a two PM fight,
it's a main event that's on national television. And yeah,
you can't really there's nothing to work out, to be
honest with you, unless he's gonna give his whole salary
to do. There is no there's really nothing to work Uh,

(18:39):
there's really nothing to work out.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Right, So really, at the end of the day, yes,
we say that Edwin Dello Santo's chose not to fight,
but really it was it was kind of out of
his hands.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Right. Well, here's the thing. Why would you you held
up your bargain. You're getting paid regardless, So why chance
the risk of injury, the risk of risk of losing.
Why would you because someone else theyre responsible. Unless you
were incentivized so much financially that you couldn't turn it down.

(19:10):
Why we said, hey, I got to give half your
person away. That's just something he would have had to do.
And if he didn't want to do that, the did
no fight. If I was in his shoes, that's what
I would thrown out there and say, hey, he's scheduled
to make one point four I need half of that.
And if he didn't want to do it, then so
be it.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, Well, you know, let's see what happens with Keishon Davis.
You know, we said in the last episode that we
were both fans and we were both looking forward to
that fight. The bummer that it didn't happen. However, a
very talented prospect of Doula. Mason, with a lot of potential,
took over the main event, had another excellent performance against
Jeremiah Nakatila. The ref stopped at round five because Nakatila

(19:48):
had a really bad cut on his eyelid. And what
did you think about that about Mason's fighting? First of all,
Mason taking over at the main event, do you think
that was a good call? And also what did you
think about him and his performance?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
It's tough because here's the thing. The people who did
pay money, who still want to get out the house
and watch the fight. You do them, You do owe them.
You can't cancel the whole card. They can't do that.
You got to say face not luckily from I heard,
they did if they were able to refund people's money
back from what I've heard, so that's a good thing.
But you really can't cancel the whole card what's on

(20:19):
national TV. It's very hard because remember those trucks and
that operation teams already out there. They get there in
the middle of the week, they get there on Wednesday,
so they're already there setting up. They've already did. So
to cancel a whole card, that's not happened like it
would have to be catastrophic to cancel the whole car,
because everybody's already got paid. You've already paid them employees,

(20:40):
you paid the movie people. You've done so much already
to cancel a whole card. It is what it is. However,
this took the lackluster. I have the whole thing, but
it's like anything else, it's the next man up. So,
for instance, on a regular fight card, there's probably like
twelve fights. Just in general we see the top three
or four, but on a whole fight list, there's like

(21:00):
ten or twelve fights. Some of them are four round fights,
some were six round fights, whatever. Whatever. But if if
a fight happens and it gets canceled forever reason, they
just move it out and move the next one up.
That that's how it goes. So this is normal. This
is normal. It's just a circumstances suck, but this is
how it goes, right.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, I was really happy that Abdula Mason got to
got the spotlight this weekend. You know, I said, I
actually said on the last episode that he's a very
talented young guy and I think he's got a good
career ahead of him now. For him. I'm not trying
to take away anything from his win, from his performance
or for Richard and Hitchins. But also maybe there's a

(21:38):
little Lestrius and that Jeremiah Nakatila is like a bit
over the hill, not the most elite competition. Same thing
I said Campus was overrated. But again not being a dick,
not trying.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
To be like, well, you know, you've got a credit
taking care of business. At the end of the day,
when you take care of business, we got to applaud
that because we've seen so many guys not take care
of business in the past. That's when you think that
to get me over a fight or tune up fight
and they end up get beat. So uh, it's one
of those things where we got applaud and appreciate guys
take care of business.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Sure, and I guess my point is that both these guys,
Hitchens and Mason, you know, let's see what's next for them.
Let's give him a big fight, let's let's reward their
talent and their performance, and let's award the fact that
they took care of business. And especially Mason, you know,
last minute, you're I don't I don't know anything about
what that's like, but to say you're up, you know,

(22:31):
on a major card, but now you're the main guy.
This rests on your shoulders. That's gonna be a lot
of pressure, and that's gonna be a lot of really
intense for for for a fighter. But he stepped up,
and you know, good for him. Shout out to do
to Mason.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
But here's the thing though, as a boxer, you always
gotta say infest you're not a main guy. If you're
a boxer, gotta say ready because you never know what
you never know what call you're gonna get. Now, the
funniest part is there's a lot of boxers that have
regular jobs. So the guys that or tune up, fight guys,
and guys that are in the top ten and I'm
in the top twenty, they got regular jobs because they

(23:05):
got bills to pay, and the money in American boxing
ain't like you know, it ain't life changing. So a
lot of guys got regular jobs. Are part of their
job is to stay in shape and stay ready just
case they get that call. Because it's only a handful
of guys you can really call on him almost Notice
it's not a whole lot. There's not one hundred boxers
at one thirty five. It's just not so. You get

(23:28):
a guy that's in shape, rate to go and he's
somewhat formidable, then yeah, you do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well we did, We did talk about it. I think
I believe it was better be in versus b bol two.
When they called up that British electrician that came to
fight sho course Stevenson last minute. You know, respect to
him for sure, you know didn't didn't get the who
didn't take it home, but hey, you know he was
ready at a moment's notice.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
And respect to that.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Guy his name, I absolutely remember. I just don't feel
like telling you that because you got to look it
up for yourself. Bettis guy way pretty tell interest. All right,
moving on to the fight that has been that we've
been talking about since the beginning of this podcast. If
this were a TV show, this would be the major
story arc that we kept coming back to, And there's

(24:11):
been news since our last episode. Turns out the Canelo
versus Crawford fight will be in Vegas after all September thirteenth,
although the venue is still TVD, which I think is weird.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't know that's gonna be at a legial stadium.
They're gonna move the football and a Friday. There's too
much money at stake. You don't have a football stadium
that can hold seventy thousand people and not have that
day because of U and V football. With all the
respect UNLV football, they've had two good seasons in twenty

(24:42):
So we're not gonna play this game. It's not USC
it's not Alabama, it's not for it. It's UOV football.
They can move it a day or two to get
this fight taken care of. So we need to be
realistic with this ship right now.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is there any other venue that would in Vegas that
would make it to me, not knowing the.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Town football, not for that kind of crowd that they're
talking about. Okay, because we need this to mega fight. Man,
we don't have these fights don't happen, not like this.
You don't have the two biggest names in a sport
fighting somewhat in their prime. You don't get this like this.
You just don't. It was if Floyd and Manny was

(25:22):
in this day and age, it'll probably be in a stadium.
It probably be an allegiance with all the stuff that
has happened over the last ten years. But there's no
football stadium back then. There's nowhere. We don't have another
stadium like this that can hold this kind of crowd
that this would get. Plus you got to realize that
it's a holiday weekend of Mexican Independence that weekend. It's

(25:43):
a venue where you can sell a lot of cheap
seats and still sell a lot of high priced seats too,
the Uppers and Allegiance. It's high, but they have a
video board there, so people who go get up there
and pay, they'll pay. So yeah, they're gonna make it happen.
It's I couldn't see it being in t mobile or
in a regular arena. It has to be in the stadium.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
It has to be gotcha, And you mentioned there was
no football stadium back then. Is that because the Legion
Stadium was created for the Raiders when.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
They moved out to The Allegian Stadium was built for
the Raiders to move from the Bay Area to Vegas.
That that was its purpose. However, you don't be football.
Part of the agreement of the Raiders moving here was,
you know, football, they will play their home games in
that stadium as well, So that's what got the stadium
built here. With that being said, though, this is a
one event where it's gonna bring a lot of money

(26:33):
into the city. And if that's the case, you don't
the football will have to move that game the Thursday
or Friday.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Goscha Okay, Well, I'm super stoked about it. Another thing
that was announced is that the fight will be on Netflix.
The last time Netflix was involved in boxing was that
Mike Tyson travesty from last year that I never want
to speak of again. Yeah, but yeah, what do we
think about Netflix being involved in the boxing world?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Jamison, Well, we both paid seventeen or twenty dollars a
month for it, so being able to log in and
watch it it's cool. I guess that's fine. It's the future. Though,
with the way things are going, with the way sports
and streaming services, especially boxing, it feels like Netflix is
probably be the sole provider of big fights going forward.

(27:15):
It just feels like and it makes fens for Netflix.
They can market their product for four hours, so it
all makes sense. But it feels like Netflix is the move.
I know Amazon's does some stuff and does in or Tozone,
whatever you want to call it, does some stuff. But
for the most part, it feels like the marriage between
boxing and Netflix is going to be on the horizon.
It feels like that's the way, and their production is flawless.

(27:37):
I will say for whatever support event they've had, it's
gone off really well.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well. There were a lot of reports about the stream
going out during the Tyson fight last year, so there
were some cakes that needed to be work out. They
will for this one.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
So here's the thing. The Tyson fight, Yes, there are
some weird stuff at the stream. They had WrestleMania soon
after and it was perfect, and then they've had football
games it's been perfect. So I think they've worked that out.
But Amazon's the one with the perfect straight in my bad,
Amazon's the one with no issues. But we'll see. I
think it will be fine. It'll be interesting to see.
But also the amount of people that will get Netflix

(28:11):
for just that month just to have it, just to
watch it at home or on their phone or whatever.
They're gonna make so much money off that fight. They
know what they're doing. Getting. Here's that I'd rather get.
Let's say you get a two million one month subscribers
of Netflix at seventeen dollars a month, I'd rather get

(28:33):
that than hoping to get two million pay per view
guys at one hundred dollars a month. Okay, okay, you
know what I mean. Like this, doing simple math, if
you can get five times the amount of one party
at this amount, and you know, it's just it's just simple, man,
I think that. And also you already have people who
already contribute to Netflix already two so it's just I

(28:56):
get it, like I see, I see the vision.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Sure, and you know how many of us haven't signed
up for a trial or for one month and then
forget to cancel and then that just stays there.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
And then all the marketing they can do during the
fight before the fight, during the fight, their marketing costs
are so so so their marketing is so important because
there's so much they can charge companies to market. There's
so much they can charge pre fight, during the week,

(29:30):
the months, the announce where all the stuff they can
do from now to then they can hit coming over
the head with the fees. So yeah, it's one of
those things to where they can really rake in the
dough when it comes to the situation.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Right, I think, Well, we've talked about how boxing needs
to get creative these days, you know, viewership is down
for well most things, you know, TV, live TV streams,
you know, and Top Rank leaving ESPN going possibly to
streaming only Netflix might be the best possible option because
especially if what you know, Top rank fights happened every

(30:06):
few months, every few weeks. Even so, if you're saying
Netflix is the home of a place like top rank
that has fights all year long, there will be fans
that will just keep it and then just watch it.
I mean, I have the ESPN Plus and I don't
watch shit on it except boxing, you know, I don't
log in for basketball or hockey anything else.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
So it's funny you mentioned that. It's very funny. You
mentioned that there's a lot of people who have ESPN
Plus and other apps strictly for that soccer, basketball, baseball, boxing,
whatever it is. And we don't know it's gopen with
top rate ESPN going forward. You know, that's about the end,
or is rumored to end. So yeah, I that being said, yeah,

(30:48):
it might not be a need for ESPN Plus, I
hear you.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I still am a little disappointed about the fact that
if top rankly leaves ESPN, there won't just be boxing
matches on a Saturday at a dive bar or a
sports bar with the TV just happens to be on
that channel. But these days, I mean, if I bet you,
there's a lot of places that have Netflix account for
their business, right and you just go in like everybody got.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
You don't need to feel business us need an account
because think about it, I'll we have smart TVs now,
so it's not like back when there we got a
call direct TV or to fight. That way, if you
have a smart taty you to put your account in
and you're good.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I wonder if the the bar tearer Buffalo Wild Wings
will let me log into my Netflix when there's a
fight happening.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Probably not, I'll tip well, I tip.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well, Yeah, they not word they don't want to see
what you be watching.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's true. That's a good way.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Trying to see all that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
No, yeah, I'm not saying I'm casting from my phone. Okay,
that'd be that would be a problem.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, we're not doing that either. We're not doing that.
But no, they will have ship together Buffalo Wild Wings
and other bars. They should be fine when it comes
to those options.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, let's see what happens. With with Brank going forward.
Uh So with that said, another thing about this fight.
Turkeyella Shikh, Saudi promoter, said that the Canelo Crawford fight
is enough of a big event that they don't need
other big names of the card. He said the other
fights for the night will be prospects, lesser known fighters
still early in their career. Now do we think that

(32:20):
Turkey Yellow Shak actually believes this or is he just
trying to save money by paying the young tennies compared
to what Canello and Crawford are getting. I think it's the.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Second one, so the money's not an issue with them,
so I wouldn't. I'm not really worried about that. I
actually understand the reasoning is that it actually makes sense
for what they're doing. Now. I don't like it. I'd
like to have a second fight on there that has
some guys on it. But if it doesn't, I understand
the vision because remember there, from everything we've learned, it

(32:50):
feels like they're in boxing for the long haul. This
is not a quick flip. This is not a hey,
We're going to make this big one, big fight and
run out. It feels like they're in this for long term.
And Dana White's involved, so it feels like they're going
to try to promote some guys we normally wouldn't see
on TV, which is fine. I think that's a good thing.
I think that's awesome thing, to be honest with you.

(33:12):
So that's cool. Remember, my main issue with this, money
is not a problem. I think that if it was
a money thing, then we have a different conversation about
this whole thing. Money is not an issue though. It's
more of getting exposure for guys you normally wouldn't see
so you can make their next fight must watch TV.
I think fastest thing. So if you get four or

(33:32):
five fights of guys who normally don't see on TV,
and then all of a sudden you see him on TV,
then you got action, right.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I kind of go back and forth on this. Well,
first number one, I think having prospects on this major
fight is a great thing. I've said it before that
you know and you too, that we used to see
guys that are for now you know, hey to know
and we need in order for boxing to survive, it's
got to get creative with its broadcasting, and it's got
to make new fans, and it's got to have new
names that people are going to follow. We were kind

(34:03):
of like a broken record on this, so uh. But
at the same time, yeah, money may not be an
issue for the Saudis, but nothing is infinite. I don't know.
I mean, like at some point you might you can't
just be bleeding cash. Plus we talked about the Times
Square fight. It was a lot of money spent on
that and they weren't tickets sold. They just had some friends.
But but yeah, so I don't know. I don't know

(34:27):
how what that return on investment has looked like for
the Saudis so far. They have but Turkey Ella Shak
has been putting together big cards and spending a lot
of money on a lot of names. But where is
the growth? You know, I'm not seeing personally myself the
growth yet. But this could be a long term strategy,
you know, get people hooked.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, I think it's more of a long term play.
I really do, because here's the thing. You wouldn't invest
as much money just to get this fight done and
then back out. It doesn't make any sense because you've
also invested money into other fights too, So it feels
like this the long term investment. It's boxing is also
a lot more international as well, so there'll be other
fights made down the pipe. So I think it's a

(35:08):
good situation regarding that. With all that being said, we
do need to see more young and upcoming fighters. We
need to see hungry guys. We need to see guys
that we wouldn't recognize if we didn't see them fighting.
You know, there's a lot of three Put it this way,
everybody starts fighting at three pm. You don't just start
fighting at eight thirty pm local time, because you know,

(35:30):
it don't work that way. Everybody starts somewhere. Every boxer
starts somewhere. Every boxers fight starts before the crowd's in there.
Some people start fighting, some people start fighting when there's
no one seated. But that's how you start. So we
got to start learning and they custom more and more names.
Like think about they about in the last five years,

(35:50):
all the names that have and let's just say from
one thirty five to one seven, all the names of
the last five years have been all the same. They've
been all stale. We recycled all the same names. Hell,
pak Yaw's coming back to fight. We don't need that.
We need new blood. Like the sport only gets better
when we have new blood involved.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Agreed. I think maybe a good strategy if the Saudis
are really in this for the long haul want to
make an investment is don't just make these you know,
huge fights, huge names. Better be a fevol Canelo Crawford.
Start having smaller events with different names. Just say like,
this is our this is our version of Friday night fights. Uh,
Saudi night fights, and we're just having like eight guys

(36:35):
you've never heard of and women, Uh maybe not with
Saudi money, but coming up here. And then boxing fans
who just love watching matches, like you and me, we'll
tune in and we'll tell other people about it. Well,
you know, there's a lot of friends of mine that
don't care about boxing, but they'd be, like they've heard
me say, shag Her Stevenson, keep keep an ear out
for this young guy, you know, do a Bason, et cetera. Yeah,

(36:56):
So that's how it's going to work. And I think
that it's a lot of chakunaw i guess with the
with Turkeyella Shakes involvement, But there's got to be a
smaller investment. Gotta plant some seats with these younger guys
that you want to keep them on the Saudi payroll,
the Saudi promotion.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
And you got the whole world watching. So this, this
is the only time you're gonna be able to do this.
You can't do a random event with this. You got
everybody watching, So it's the best time to do.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
It, right. Maybe they should take a que from let's see,
maybe a promoter in the nineties who you know, signed
like eight heavyweights, eight of the biggest known names at
one time and just had all these guys you know
under his his uh, his promotional company and just you know.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
What was the name of the company?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't know. I'm gonna have to look that up.
But anyway, how about we move on to the next
uh the next segment a recurring segment called pop Pugilism,
in which we discussed a movie, TV show or documentary
about Bock and say we're talking about Oh, look at
this don King only in America, made for TV film
that aired on HBO in nineteen ninety seven, directed by

(38:09):
a guy named John Hurstfield who's directed absolutely nothing you've
heard of before. The film star is not just the man,
but the god. Ving Raims as the notorious boxing promoter
Don King. He's the guy I was talking about a
few minutes ago who had eight heavyweights under his promotional
company at one time. So if he didn't make that connection,
I got a love to say about this movie. But first, Jamison,

(38:31):
what did you think about it?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Man? So I actually remember it when it came out,
I'm watching it several times. I watched it recently. It
told the story from the person's perspective, not necessarily lie.
So whatever moves are like that, I prefer personally someone
a third party telling the story. Sure, I personally prefer
that having someone tell their own story is interesting because

(38:57):
you know they're telling from perspective that quite covering everything.
But with that being said, it was cool. I mean,
he's Don Kings in a lot of boxing, man. And
like you mentioned, when the heavy right division was the
you know King of boxing and the crim Dela Krim,
he had all the guys, and you know, for the

(39:18):
most parts, he had all the guys. Now, they may
not have been happy at that time. They may have
had some issues, they made, have some grievances and disputes,
but he had all the guys and he was known
for being with winners. He was known for hey, if
you're if you got knocked out another flight of one,
he would step over you and go sub as the winner.

(39:39):
So it was very fascinating. However, the reason why I
always always preach on this show is that there's no
rules in boxing. It's not because of Don King, Like
he didn't have no college background. It was no sports
management degree, it was no uh, it was another It
was like, all right, well I kind of stumbled into
this and next thing you know, he's in boxing, and

(39:59):
he random sport. So that's why I always say, you know,
boxing is very random, man. This is a big part
of it.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, absolutely, well let's start here. I love this movie.
I was in the right mood for a throwback, in
the right mood for a nineties HBO original film. These
things are low budget but not cheap, if that makes sense, yep,
And they have a particular feel. Look all that, you know,
I I love I love going to the movie theater.
It's one of my favorite things to do. You know,

(40:27):
I'm big on physical media and you know, have a
giant TV watching. You know, movies start to finish, but
movies like this kind of feel like they were meant
to be caught through channel surfing. You know what I mean, right,
channel surfing. I made me nostalgic for channel surfing back
in the day, trying to find something, you know, Saturday night.
Oh look, here's HBO. There's a horror movie that's already

(40:47):
thirty minutes in. Whatever. Let's put your feet up and
you know, watch the rest of it. Kind of a thing.
It's a lost art, even for myself because I don't
have I don't pay for you know, cable, I do
all the streaming stuff. So this movie just kind of,
like I said, it hit at the right time. Ving's
performance as Don King legendary. Honestly, I would say probably

(41:09):
his best performance based on all the ones that I
can think of off the top of my head. He
is so different from how he usually is in roles.
The biggest thing was the voice. If you listen to
Big Dames talk, he's man, He's got the deep, deep,
gravelly voice. He's doing the very dunkin kind of nasally
kind of you know, upbeat blah blah blah. He's dancing around,

(41:32):
he's he's like shaking his shoulders and it was just
so it was so fun to watch and as somebody
who's been watching Big Raames pretty much all my life.
I was, Yeah, I was blown away that I hadn't
heard of this performance. I hadn't heard I feel like
I've heard of this movie but never watched it. If
I did, I didn't remember any of it. But it's

(41:53):
got a really good cast, you know, Vondi Curtis hall Is,
Lloyd Price, a singer who introduced King Nahali helped promote
Rumble in the Jungle, was involved in the concert. We
talked about a couple episodes episodes ago when we talked
about the documentary when we were Kings, you got Keith
David in here, you got Bernie Mack as Ali's trainer.
But Nitie Brown, you know the coolest thing about this movie.

(42:17):
So now for this show, we've seen Ali, We've seen
Big George Foreman, we saw when we were Kings, the documentary,
and now this movie. All of those involved the Rumble
in the Jungle as a very very important event. And
it's like pieces of a puzzle, puzzle being put together, right.
It's like you're seeing different perspectives, different takes on the
same event. It's like it's like cover songs of the

(42:40):
different covers in the same song, and it's really cool.
And I like seeing you know, the same events stage
differently filmed different with different actors. It felt really cool.
And I don't know how much of this movie is
actually true. Like you said, when you have the guy
telling his own story, it's gonna pull the punches. But

(43:01):
even this, I was surprised that they were they were letting,
they were allowing the character of Don King to come
off as a scumbag in a lot of ways in
this movie.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
But but also here's the thing too, So Don King
was a black man in a white man industry. There
wasn't a whole lot of black owned boxing promotion companies.
So even if he did allow someone else to tell
his story, and there's a chance that would have, wasn't
gonna be done well. So I understand the situation. I
get it. He was he wasn't supposed to be there.

(43:32):
But that being said, you know, he's a very fascinating guy.
But again, the reason why I always tell people boxing
is a different entity altogether is because there's no rules.
There's really no rules, like you will have to go
to court and get your money, you will have to
lose your composure, give what you need. You will have

(43:54):
to be strong in order to survive in this industry.
That's just how it goes. And Don King ain't not
dive from the bob Aram. They're all the same. They're
all the same, like, they're all the like. You can't
Here's the thing, the thing, the problem I have with
boxing is people will vilify one and applaud the other. True,
and they're both. They're all the same. They're all do

(44:16):
the same stuff. Like you can't argue that they're all grinding.
They all do certain things the boxers, so me, in
my opinion, with everything like that, I appreciate Don King
for the opportunities hate gave a lot of guys and whatnot.
I wish things could have ended differently with certain people.
I wish there are the business stuff would have been

(44:37):
handled smoothly because being black, we get a bad connotation
of doing business, so I wish he would have handed
that a little bit cleaner. However, at the same time,
he go only do so much, and you got a
guy like Mike Tyson who is out of control. And
I can't put Mike Tyson's emotional issues and mental issues
on Don King. However, I do know Don King probably

(44:59):
got over on my tyson once once or two times,
and it's just how it goes. But all in all,
Don King the film was dope, and Don King deserves
as flowers.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Sure, but he deserves criticism too for bilk nobody.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Let's make sure everybody assuming you you're doing something wrong.
If everybody got to take you to court or everyone
gotta lose their compose, you get the brand from you,
it's eventually a you problem.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, I feel like we need to definitely give Don
King as flowers for what he did, but let's make
sure that we're balanced here, and you know, being clear
that he screwed over a lot of fighters h and
you know, charge them for every little thing for lodging,
for towels or you know, they got a pittance of
what they should have made. And you know, and he
was a comment, you know, through and through. I did

(45:48):
like that the movie showed how there's a lot of
racial issues in this movie, a lot of talk about race,
which you know, we appreciate because that's what the show started.
As it's having these hard conversations. You know, he would
tell black fighters, you know, nobody's gonna support you like
another black man you know, he told Ernie Shavers, you
know this guy whatever he's he's a Jewish guy. I'm black,
You're gonna be better treated by me. H. He Also

(46:10):
he was a chameleon. You know, when he talked to Ali,
he immediately brought up Allah, and you know, he would
tell he would always find a way in with the fighter.
And yes, absolutely he was a comment. But also he
was always going to be less trusted because he was
not a white man. Let's be real about it.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
That part and his stature, the way he carried himself,
it was a lot. He was a lot to deal with,
but all and although that being said, he was just
the first person to operate a certain way. And when
people don't like the first person that does something, so
when they see somebody an outsider doing what they've been doing,

(46:51):
they're like, wait, wait, wait a minute, you're and the
boxes he had at the time or over time, he
had a lot of great cash cows. So people were
looking at it like, wait a minute, you're messing. You're
stepping on our business now. So no one likes that.
But yes, there's a lot of issues. Again, if everybody's
sewing you, you don't want some city shouldn't you know

(47:12):
what I'm saying, Like, if they basically got a class
action suit against you for your business practices, then yeah, man,
like things ain't really right. But with all that being said,
he was good for the sport. He gave people that opportunity.
He kept guys busy, so you know, I can't necessarily
fault him, and he's part of the reason why guys

(47:32):
will fight so much, Like part of Tyson fighting a
bunch of times back in that time was dude, you know,
Don King. So those are things that I wish we
kind of had nowadays, but everything's so corporate now and
guys are socially awkward. I don't think we'll ever get
back to that ever again.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
No question. So we remember seeing Don King on TV
for our entire lives, you know, and you know, I
remember the look, the hair, the own blah blah blah.
But I never knew until I was like way older
as an adult. You know, the stories of him, you know,
shady dealings, being con man, this and that, all the lawsuits.

(48:10):
So what do you know, Like, what was the public's
perception on Don King for ALTA? Did they know this
these kinds of things or was he just like, this
is the boxing guy, and that stuff came out later.
I just have no no reference.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
We knew Don King as a boxing promoter. Boxing fans
and sports fans knew him as a shady promoter. So
he again, he was a guy that was the loud
guy with a lot of funny phrases, antidotes and all
that stuff. But if you were just a general sports fan,
you didn't know the ins and outs of what he
did or the issues he had unless it was Mike Tyson.

(48:46):
Because back in the nineties and of the two thousands,
Mike Tyson was breaking news. Whatever Mike Tyson did was
breaking news. Everyone wanted to find out about Tyson, this
Tyson that. So he was involved in a lot of
those things. With that being said, the casual fandit know
all the details, but they knew him as a very
popular guy with the hair and being woud and being

(49:07):
every fight, et cetera, et cetera. And he always had
a us A flag, which is a very smart move
by him.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Right, And our producer Jabari just reminded me that it
was widespread by the time of Rocky five. He says
they made the character based on him in ninety one,
which is a very good point. I remember the promoter
and that I forget what the character is supposed to be,
but didn't. Was it his catchphrase something like only the
USA or something like that. Yeah, like that. It's just
like it's like you, I don't know, but that I.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Mean, he's going the Simpsons, He's been in other like
they've hell, the right white hype is basically about don king,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
So yeah, it's yeah, yeah, that's that's on our list
for future pop pugilism segments. So we'll be getting to
that eventually. But yeah, So another thing about the availability
of this movie. So apparently it's not on HBO Max
and a lot of the HBO nineties Made for TV
films are not on there, and I can't I couldn't

(50:07):
find like a physical media release. Our producer sent us
that bitch on YouTube looking fuzzy as hell. That's how
that's how I watch it.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Don't know about you.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, I try to look forward on some of my
say gray market streaming services.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Nothing to be found.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Like I said earlier, I have a giant TV. It
really looked like I was watching it on a little
square piece of crap from back in the day with
the little buttons on them, with the VCR attached to it.
So all of that kind of, like I said, kind
of brought me back. But I think these movies should
be brought back for either streaming or you know, release
them on on DVD. You don't, you don't have to

(50:48):
get a fancy four K release, you know, let the
let these movies live, bring them back, let them breathe.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
We need educational purposes. We need films for educational purposes.
There's not enough. There's too many young people that don't know.
They just don't know, and things aren't available so they'll
never know. But we need more of those available for sure.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Sure I'll take a chance to shout out a couple
of my favorite physical media boutiques. Keino Larber Releases releases
a lot of lesser known, kind of somewhat classic movies
you know on disc, Blu Ray four K, and Erro
video too. There's a lot of cool shit that they
find restore and Vinegar Syndrome. If you're looking for some
weird ship from when you know we were kids and

(51:28):
you saw something on TV, some weird horror movie or
crazy action movie. These places, find those things, restore them,
and put them out for the people. So you know,
I'm a strong believer in physical media because we can't
lose these honestly, like film is art and these are
historical important, historically important things, and we should we should
make sure that they're out there. So shout out to

(51:50):
whoever the hell put a VHS copy of Don King
Only in America on YouTube. You're you're You're my hero.
But hopefully, you know, we get to see these things
released in better quality. So here we rate our movies,
our TV shows out of four gloves. Jamison, how would
you rate the film Don King Only in America?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
It'd be four of The stream was better, but nah, okay,
all in all, I would say three point five. Man,
it was. It was well done. Again it told the
story from the first person, the first party, so that's
always interesting. But all in all it was it was
really good film, very good film. Again seeing it seeing
it and it's time original time and seeing it now

(52:29):
is way different. But yeah, I'll say three point five.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Sure, and I think it holds up. I'd go three
point six sixty six because we were talking about Don
King the con Man, but it's a really fun movie,
had a good time ving Raim's phenomenal performance. And yes,
if you were interested in this and you got YouTube
and you don't mind looking at a really shitty stream,
check it out.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Well, it's definitely all right.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Last thing before we get out of here, we got
to mail that question on Twitter from the Mojo King.
Loyal loyal follower, appreciate you, mojo King. It's a question
that we've talked about before, not my favorite who wins
between such and such and system such? The question from
him is Prime Frasier versus Prime Tyson. Now, before we answer,

(53:17):
I've said before that I don't like doing the historical
stuff so much because there's so many actual fights we
can talk about that could possibly happen, and that's what
I like discussing more. We we could talk about what
could happen if Telfia Malope has fought Abdulla Mason. That's
something I'm more excited to talk about. But hey, you know,
shout out to the Mojo King from the nineteen Media
group family and we'll answer that for you absolutely. So

(53:41):
you got any thoughts on this, because because I think
I know who I choose.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Are we fighting seventies rules or eighties nineties rules.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Let's see, let's do let's put the difference. Let's say
eighties rules.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
So fifteen round fight, Yeah, Fraser Fraser.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Because Fraser is gonna avoid getting hit with the big punch,
and the longer the fight goes, I'd probably favor him.
If you if here's the thing, it's this, it's a
class of styles. The defensive guy, if you can avoid
getting hit with the big punch, the longer the fight goes,
it favors him. If it's a shorter fight with faster pace,

(54:27):
favors Tyson. If you say eighties rules and at the
fifteen round fight, the longer the fight goes, it, I'll
take Fraser. However, if Mike gets him, he gets him,
and he's able to knock him out, then it's all
she rode. But if I had to like forecast a fight,
like I had to judge a fight within that predict

(54:48):
the knockout of the actual fight fight, I'd probably have
to go with Fraser. But if we're just saying, like
who would I prefer, And if it's just a fight
and Mike can get him, than I to pick Mike.
But I think that if I had, like predict how
a fight would go, and the defensive skills of Joe

(55:08):
Fraser being able to kind of confuse Mike and not
allow him to land that one big punch that I'd
probably go with Fraser.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I'd go Fraser as well for the reasons you said
of defense, but also let's not forget Fraser definitely move forward.
He definitely could be the aggressor. And that's the thing
about Mike is once they figured once opponents figured out
that you could throw him off his game by making
him move backward. That was all she wrote for Mike.
So I think that combined with the stamina for fifteen rounds,

(55:39):
the defensive skills Fraser could definitely block an uppercut, which is,
you know, the thing that just fucking killed guys that
Mike Tyson killed guys with. Yes, plus Fraser's persistence in
moving forward and overwhelming other fighters, I think I would
go Fraser for for those mostly the last one. Like
I said, you know, you just have to not be

(56:01):
terrified if Mike Tyson and I say that, like it's
fucking easy being a fat guy here talking to a microphone,
and I mean as the heavyweight fighter in the rig
with him. You have to not be terrified and you
have to make make him fight your fight is how
I would put it, and I think Fraser would have
done that. So yeah, with this question, I would go

(56:22):
I would go frasier between between the two of them.
So thank you very much to the mojo king over
on Twitter. Really appreciate that. And then we all have
other questions on social media. We have an email address
let us know, not just questions about boxing, but also
topics you want to talk about anything where we are

(56:42):
open up and we're gonna plug all that stuff right now, Jamison,
before we leave, where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
On Twitter? At the Jamison always on there? It's pretty cool.
I miss the big boxing powwows you say on there.
I know the the app is not the same as
it used to, so we don't get the same love
on there that we used to when Big fives came on.
But on there for now, we'll see. I might go
to Blue Social or Blue Sky whatever it's called, sooner later,

(57:09):
but for right now, I'm on Twitter at the moment.

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Cool. It's blue Sky, dammit, that's what it is. Yeah
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