TMCP Ep 22: Will David Benavidez Ever Get His Big Shot?

Jamieson and Classy are back for another fantastic discussion about the latest events and news of the boxing world. While everyone eagerly anticipates next month's showdown between Canelo and Crawford, the guys took some time discussing the other big names in the sport:

Will David Benavidez ever get his big shot with Canelo? Should he keep waiting for it? What else could be on the horizon for him?

Should we expect several additional fights from Manny Pacquiao after an impressive performance a few weeks ago?

Does Ryan Garcia still deserve to be in the conversation for big fights or does he need to work himself back into those talks?

What's next for Keyshawn Davis?

This week's Pop Pugilism segment featured a breakdown of Undisputed II: Last Man Standing (2006) dir. Isaac Florentine

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
with six wins, three losses, two arrests, four late payments

(00:22):
on student loans and two total painkruptcies hits the Classy
I've got hold.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Thank you, and welcome back to another episode of the
Mixed Company Podcast. Of course, my name is Jamison Welsh.
As always, I'm with my Coe's the classy alcoholic classy.
What's going on? Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
You know, Jamison, I'll be honest, I'm a bit bummed
out right now because of this new story that came
out over the weekend. Normally talking about boxing is a
lot of fun on the show. There's nothing fun about
the story we're about to get into. Turns out, the
two Japanese boxers died after fighting in the same event
in Tokyo weekend. The first is shiget Toshi Katari. He
collapsed after the end of his twelve round fight. He

(01:06):
had to have emergency surgery for a subdural hematoma but
didn't recover, and the next day after that, Hirosa Urkawa
died from the same injury, and both guys were only
twenty eight years old, which is really really tragic. You know,
the cliche phrase that used a lot is you don't
play boxing, and while that's true, we can't forget what
it actually means is that boxing is a dangerous and

(01:27):
potentially deadly sport. These fighters are literally taking their lives
into their hands when they get into the ring, and
I'm not exaggerating or being dramatic about that, and the
depths of these two fighters showed that. So it's really tragic.
That's why I personally push back so often on boxing
fans with their little instagrament grand comments and Twitter fingers
colin fighters bums saying a boxer only fights nobody. You know,

(01:50):
this is what's really on the line, where when y'all
are making these comments, these guys's lives. So I just
want to get your your thoughts on the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It's definitely unfortunate. It is a constant reminder that you
can die in the ring. It's a constant reminder that
this is not a safe sport. It's a sport. It's
a combat sport where you can literally die in the ring,
like die, like literally die there's a situation where we
think that, oh, they're just fighting in the ring, that's boxing.

(02:19):
Oh they're just we don't see a lot of brawls anymore,
so it doesn't it's not the front of your mind
when that happens. But we know that man boxing is
boxing man, and it's one of those things where, for
whatever reason, if the somebody is not healthy going into it,
somebody takes a bad hit in the middle of a fight,
et cetera, et cetera, it can be very bad. It

(02:41):
can be a very very bad situation. But with that
being said, definitely condolences to those gentlemen who did pass unfortunately.
I do think we do take a lot of precautionary
measures in the States when it comes to boxing. Very
rarely is there any funny play or any foul play

(03:01):
like that here. I think our refs are probably overly
cautious when it comes to stoppages and warnings and signs
and whatnot, which is a good thing, but just in general,
it is a constant reminded that hey, you can die
in that ring.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Another thing I always really don't like is when a
ref stops a fight and you got the fancy bad stuffage.
Let him keep going, Let him keep going. You know,
I don't know, man, You're not in there, You're not
seeing you know, it's very different watching a guy getting
beat up on TV than it is being you know,
right in front of you. And in these cases, most
of the time I am going to defer to refs.

(03:39):
Sometimes I'll say, well, maybe he could have gone, you know,
finished the round or something like that. But very rarely,
you know, I don't I don't know enough to say
that with confidence ever.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
That. But also, here's the thing. We're mature. All of
people are not mature. So at people just want to
see blood, someone die, get hurt. We are mature. We
are people who are in life. We understand how life works.
You have families, So for us, we don't want to
see somebody you fight to the death. We want to
see a good, clean fight and people make home to
their families. Some people don't care about any of that.

(04:11):
They just want to see somebody die or somebody gets
seriously hurt. And I'm not really here for that.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Sure. Yeah, when when we talk about, well this fight
was kind of boring, I don't enough punches were thrown.
We want to see you know, exciting fights, that's what
the sport is about. But this sport is never going
to be better if more athletes are not even just dying,
but like getting seriously injured, you know, having their livelihoods,
you know, ruined because of a fight Like that's not
what makes the sport more exciting or more fun. So

(04:39):
a little bit more notes on this situation. The Japanese
Boxing Commission announced that this was the Oriental and Pacific
Boxing Federation. They said their title BBOTS will now be
ten rounds out of twelve. The exact reason why boxing
went from fifteen rounds to twelve in the eighties was because,
you know, a fighter died and a fighter named dub
kuk Kim, and you know that was a very clear

(05:03):
response to that tragedy. So the reports of Japanese media
are also talking about dehydration as a concern. When newspaper
said dehydration makes the brain more susceptible to bleeding, quote,
that sounds right to me. I'm not a doctor. I'm
a dumb dum who barely graduated college with a political
science degree. But I've also brought up personally on this
show how I think I don't like how fighters put

(05:26):
themselves in potentially dangerous or situations to make weight for
a fight in a way that affects their health, especially
because if you're struggling as a fighter to make that
weight and your you know, health is in jeopardy, you're
not going to fight it that weight anyway. You're going
to rehydrate afterwards. So, like, I don't know, maybe there's

(05:47):
something that could be done that says if have fight
closer to the weight that you're actually working ticket down on.
Not the cutting in itself.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Is bad, I don't know, and the supplements guys take
to cut weight, the things are putting in their body
to cut weight. Most of the fights take place when
it's tight outside. It's just a very bad mixture, like
you know what I mean. That's why I do give
credit to guys who are constantly in shape, who don't
have to do anything drastic a week before the fight
or day before the fight, because they put with your

(06:16):
body at risk and all your other organs at risk.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Absolutely, I don't know enough about this to really speak
on you know, what it takes to to cut weight
to get in fighting shape at all. But there are
guys that are just you know, like you said, really
in shape, really checked and ready and able to take
a fight. Don't drop ten pounds on top of that. Again,
it's my opinion, but you know that's just me as
a late person and just thinking about the health of

(06:42):
the athletes. You know, at the end of the day,
I would never call myself like a libertarian because I
think that ideology is kind of stupid, that kind of
fits very But I personally don't think that many things
should be banned or criminalized. You know, a lot of
things can have adverse effects. Drinking alcohol is perfectly legal,
and it has the ability to ruin your life. I
am the perfect, perfect example of that. People have gambling

(07:04):
additions that ruin their lives. I still don't think gambling
should be made legal at all. You know, I think
Boston should be made as safe as possible. But at
the end of the day, you can't totally remove the
danger from some activities. No matter how safe you try
to make skydiving, you're still jumping out of a damn airplane.
So what I really believe and what I call them
like my personal philosophy is that people should have as

(07:25):
much information as possible in order to make a decision
for themselves, even if it's a bad one. We have
the right to make bad decisions, but we got to
be honest and upfront and say this could potentially happen,
this is a risky sport activity, et cetera. And you know,
if you decide to go for it, by a condios.
But that's that's kind of where I land with those

(07:48):
kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That and also, you don't want any negativity going towards
the sport, you know what I mean, if someone passes
or those health issues or story issues, it's not good
for the sport. And this is not good for the sport,
even though obviously it didn't happen in America, but it's
still not good. It's not a great thing. It's not
necessarily a black eye. It's just never good when somebody

(08:11):
gets killed in the line of the sport.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I think that the most evil thing is you
can kind of suppress information like the NFL trying to
downplay or you know, suppress information on CTE. I think,
and I know it's not good, like you said, for
the sport, but I would always rather say here, say
you can do this, you can achieve, you know, make

(08:37):
money off of this the NFL or boxing achieve greatness
POSA or you could be seriously injured for the rest
of your life, and just put that out there. Let's
just be more open, you know. I I know that's
never going to happen. I just feel that that's kind
of the the ideal way to make decisions in life, right,
But yeah, can Nolan's just to both of these fighters

(08:58):
and to their families. You know, it's a it's a
terrible situation, but I just wanted to get out there
up front and just remind everybody, you know, these boxers
are real people. They're not just you know, faces on
an Instagram. And yes, we talk a lot about guys
who've had dozens of fights, twenty fights, thirty fights, you know,
their legends. They make a lot of money, the biggest

(09:18):
names out there, but there's a lot of people out
there that don't make it and are still putting their
lives at risk every time they get into the ring.
So let's remember that when we talk about the sport.
Moving on to our next story, Dmitri bevol is recovering
from back surgery for the next six to eight weeks
and will not be returning to the ring in twenty
twenty five, so no Better be Of trilogy this year. Also,

(09:42):
kind of the worst thing is poor David Benevitez, That
poor bastard, he keeps getting denied an opportunity. He wanted
to fight the winner of Bevoll Better be of Turkey.
Alahik said that he'd be willing to do it, then
backed out, got duck by Canelo, got duck by bevol
I don't know, I just kind of feeling bad for

(10:04):
the guy. You know, he's a great fighter. He deserves,
you know, more chances than he's gotten, and he's just
been getting kind of screwed. There is talk of a
possible Better be Of versus Benavitez, which is something that
my my drug cask is going to have trouble slurring
through that for the next year, Better be Of versus
bena Vetez matchup. Both of them are going to fight
and be odd this November twenty second that card is

(10:27):
actually will have him du La Mason, Ben Rodriguez and
Devin Haney. You're my legitimate vary on that one. But yeah,
I don't know what do we think about what do
we think really at the end of the day, the
question is Benavitez's situation here, because he's the one I
feel most for.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
He's in a rough spot because guy wants to fight
won't fight him. You know, the second next challenger as issues.
So it's just weird. It's a weird situation, like it
sucks because in boxing, the long you wait, the worst
things get, you know what I mean. And that's the
thing about boxing is like, you know, you kind of
have to strike with I on top, because when it's not,

(11:00):
you're in trouble. Why you're in a lot of trouble.
So I really don't know what he basically asked to fight,
stay active while avoid getting knocked out or knocked down
or any trouble. Because here's the thing too, when you wait,
you better win. If you wait and lose, it's all over.
So those are things that's very tricky about boxing. That's
why boxing is very fascinating.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, but if it is a talented enough guy that
I think, if he's gonna fight, he always has a
very very good chance to win. So I'm not as
worried about him taking a fight and then getting humiliated,
knocked out or a lot. Of course, it can always happen.
But I'm you know, I would always put my chips
on him. But the question is how many fights could
he take before people are just like, oh yeah, that

(11:44):
guy that Canela never fought. You know, it's does this
guy get a fade away without really you know, getting
his fast shot.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
So it depends because it depends how it's marketing. Because
the fights are marketed and people are watching, you're fine.
The issue is you gotta have people watching a fight
in having a demand for him to fight. It's biggest thing.
Because what happens when there's a fight goes on but
does not all TV can't find it knowing will be
talking about it. That's when it gets spooky. But if
he's fighting and he's on a co headline with someone

(12:13):
else that's pretty popular, he'll be fine. As long as
he's a your The main thing is winning. That's the
first thing. Whatever fight you're in, you gotta win. Secondly,
your win has to be talked about. And as long
as those two things happen, everything else usually takes care
of himself.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, well, I think better Beef still has some cachet.
You know, he he won the first be Ble fight,
lost a second, so it's not like this man is lost,
you know, fight fights in a row. Plus he's got
a great legacy. He is an excellent fighter. It took
a lot, it took a long time for somebody to
take him down. So I think that matchup will still
be good. I don't know how much more better Bev

(12:49):
has left in him, just in terms of you know,
age and thinking about retirement. Not that he's not even
saying that he's lost a step, but you know, you
can't do this forever. Better being is I think he's
still got some guess in the tank.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I have been on record as saying that I wanted
a Bevill Better be Of trilogy first and then having
Benavidez get a shot at the winner. But at this point, man,
I don't think. I don't think Benavidez should should keep
waiting for this for this trilogy. But I don't know
Bevill still he's still the big name, whether he's going
to be out for a few weeks, Like he got

(13:23):
went into surgery a star and he didn't you know,
he didn't get it was nothing that he did something
stupid or you know, got himself, you know, injured. I
don't know partying and get drunk and falling off of
a balcony or whatever. It's just an ongoing back issue.
So I don't see Beevil's kind of stock crashing. When

(13:44):
he comes back in twenty six, I think it'll be
a welcome return for him. But man, I just feel,
like I said, I feel that that Benavidez just keeps
losing his his opportunity to strike it really big. So
and you know we talked about before about him waiting
out of Canelo pay Day. Him fighting Beebel is not
gonna be a light back, Like I said, the man

(14:05):
is a start like he's if he really wants to to,
you know, make a make a good return, save up
enough money an esteg a Beevil fight would absolutely be
worth it.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's a big question mark right now as to as
to what's gonna happen for twenty six, but really also
the for the rest of twenty five. You know, the
biggest name in boxing names in boxing, or Canela Crawford.
So I don't even know what's gonna happen after September
and what we have to look forward to, because that's
taking the oxygen out of the.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Route So here's the thing. If that fight is any
kind of clothes, if it is one sixteen, one twelve,
either direction are tighter, we're gonna have a rematch, just
like all that now be about a month out. If
that fight is any kind of clothes, and that fight
is if you can make an argument for either one

(14:57):
winning or a draw, We're getting a match for a
lot of reasons, primarily money. That's the first thing. There's
no one else either guy could fight to make more money.
And if it's a good fight and it's close or
a draw, there'll be more intrigued and say, hey, let's
run that back. So I hope people understand that. That's

(15:17):
why anyone who's trying to fight Canelo is kind of
in a rough spot because if you wait, it might
be a two year wait. They have a rematch, it's
not gonna be in December. You'll probably look at next May.
If there's a rematch more than likely maybe sooner, you're
probably looking at next May. Maybe. So if you're waiting

(15:40):
for either of these guys, there's a possibility you might
be on at least at minimum one year weight, but
there's a chance to be eighteen months to two years,
So I don't that's where it's difficult. But yeah, I
think this is the fight that gets made and talked
about first, and you know, we'll see what happens after
the first one and then we go from there. But also,
both these guys are getting kind of up there too.

(16:02):
They don't have a whole lot more fights left. Like,
it's not why oh they're gonna be fighting for twenty
more times? No, No, I hypothetically this might be Crawford's
last go if he's gonna make a bunch of money
off this. He's moved up two classes and wait, we
know it. See happits with guys at this age that
move up like that. I don't have any more fights
for I personally do not. I would be shocked. I

(16:22):
honestly would be shocked.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, I don't see Canelos changing his brand up of
fighting May in September. That's been his thing. You know,
it's worked out well for him as as fans of him,
which I am, you know, I know to expect it.
I know that to be ready for the Canelo fight season.
So yeah, if if this is close like you said,
and there is gonna be a rematch, which I do
believe I expect it to be made. I do not

(16:45):
expect this to be run back as fast as December.
I just don't see another reason too, you know, Canela,
Like I said, it's getting older. He needs his downtime.
You know, he needs his recovery time. And we've seen
the guy, love the guy, but you know we've seen
his last TEW performance. This has been a bit spar
compared to just the last like let's call it, like
four years ago. Uh so I do not see a

(17:08):
rematch happening before me. I agree with you on that,
but yeah, I mean, uh, Beta Videz has gotta has
got to find something. He's got to get some opportunity.
I'm glad he's he's back in November, you know, I'm
glad he and he's on you know, the the read
season card, the ring for they call it card. So
you know he's got big names. Devin Haney is disappointed

(17:29):
as we've been in him. You know, he's still name recognition.
Abdullah Mason, his story is only rising. So he's in
with a good He's you know, he's not in the
he's not a coach. My man is still in first class.
I think so so I'm happy for him for that.
Uh I do expect a lot of chat about the
better be of follow up after November after they both fight,

(17:49):
seeing how their fights go down, But same thing. I
don't let's see, but uh I feel bad. I don't
know the name off the top of my head, but
better be a fighting a guy named Dean Nicholson who
I'm actually not familiar with, don't know anything about his
style skills, and there was twenty two and one, but
I it's it's I'm not I'm never likely to bet
on a better be of loss, So yeah, yeah, yeah,

(18:12):
So I expect both these guys to come out victorious
and you know, hopefully maybe maybe before May, maybe before
the second Canelo Crawford fight, these guys will will have
a shot and you know, we'll we won't have Canelo
Crawford sucking the oxygen again out of the room for
everybody else. And speaking of which, there's only so after

(18:34):
this episode. There's only two more episodes of our show
before Canelo Crawford. So for the next one, you know,
we'll there'll be a lot of to talk about it.
But that final one is going to be a full
Canelo Crawford extravaganza, So prepare yourselves.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
For that, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Moving on to another big name of the sport whose
stock has risen and fallen like crazy over the years,
but many Pakiao our Man has been officially ranked as
the number one WBC welterweight contender after his comeback fight.
You Jamison made the great point that after his draw
against Mario Barrios, his group chat was probably buzzing, telling him, man,
he looked great, he could probably fight again. There's no

(19:12):
way he's not coming back for another fight after this
breaking right, This is just gonna add fuel to the group.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
One better. We probably got two or three more left. No,
you're right, You're right. Hey, if the money's there, the
money is there. If he fights Tank in December or
in January, that's a big fight somewhere that's gonna sell
out twenty thousand plus seats. People gonna watch and tune in.
Even you get this face knocked off, people still gonna watch,

(19:39):
you know. So it'ser some one of those things where
if there's money to be made, especially in this economy
where everything is getting cut off, everything is not things
are you know, there's a struggle to make money these days.
So if you're able to make twenty million dollars in
a night or thirty million dollars in a night, I
think he's gonna take the chance to do it. Hey,
I think that's gonna happen. And right, so if you

(20:00):
train and look like he did. No, No, of course
it wasn't prime manny. Right, it wasn't O seven manny
or oh, it wasn't any of that stuff. But it
looked relatively well for a guy that age and his experienced.
So my thing is this, if he continues, he's not
just fighting no tuna fight, He's gonna fight some sort
of somebody with a name. Because you have to have
a draw, you gotta bring some money to the table,

(20:22):
which is fine. I'm just curious what direction they going
in because the next fight will kind of give us
a direction on how they want to milk this. Cause
he fights let's type of thing. Let's say he fights
with Devin Haine, just hypothetically speaking, then okay, there's probably
a two more fights after that. Wind lose a draw.
If it's a tank, then are you got one left?
We kind of happen in that fight, We kind of
idea what would happen but we know that the major payday.

(20:44):
So it just depends on what this campus looking like
and what they're what they're talking about. But I know
the group TET was buzzing because like, hey man, we
got a couple more fights. We can take advantage of
the situation. I think that's what's going on.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
You've already said struck when the iron is hot. I
mean it's just like that's a universal truth, not just
in the sport anytime. So my man is is hot again,
and yes, people are gonna win even if he loses.
That clip of him get knocked out by Marquezes it
keeps coming around. That doesn't get old. People love it,
you know people.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So I remember that night I'm watching that fight. I
told someone, somebody gotta go. Somebody's gonna get dropped. There
was It wasn't going to the cars the way they
were fighting, the way what happened previously in the round,
previously in the in the previous rounds, that that's the
only way it was gonna end. Somebody was gonna get
knocked out like that. It has happened to be Manny.
That's all.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
That clip was on Instagram and it was without commentary,
just the sounds of the fight and when the knockout happened,
in my head, I of course heard he's not getting up, Jim,
he's not getting up, because that's burned in my brain,
right right, right, Well here's the one for you. Let's
let's add a wrinkle here. I think Manny needs a win,
like a win win in this in his next fight,
which will and it's not it's a matter of when.

(22:01):
It's a matter of it what if.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
He does when win. I just think, honestly, a competitive
fight keeps him fighting. Okay, that's the thing. If your competitive,
if you can we can make an argument that hey
could have won that one or a it was close.
That keeps you fighting. When you get when you get
dropped or if you're getting washed, then it's like all right, man,
hanging up. That's why the Devin An anything is interesting
because you fight a guy like that, he got the chance.

(22:26):
Like I'm not saying he's gonna win, but you gotta
got a better chance versus Tank, even though I think
Tank has some other issues, but I think you gotta,
you gotta, you got honest action in these bouts. So
it's just it's this interesting to see that's all, okay, okay,
So you.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Think that if he has a competitive fight still loses,
that he would come back for another one, maybe even
two or three more and.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Long as the money's there long and it will be
because people want to fight. We don't have a lot
of fights that draw the casual person in. I think
that's what's so big about Canela Crawford is it's drawing
casual fans in. We need more fights that draw casual
people and I'm glad we're talking about this. Over the weekend,

(23:06):
UFC and Paramount Plus came to an agreement with the
fall our stuff on Paramount Plus and CBS. Boxing needs
something like that immediately. I understand dazz In or Zone,
I understand some things with Amazon and all that. You
need somewhere where we know what every fight's going to
be on and we know that every now and then

(23:26):
there's gonna be a fight on network television. If you
want the sport to grow, it has to be that way.
In the last twelve months, we've seen both the WWE
and UFC get network contracts. Boxing needs to figure it
out soon because they're going to get left behind. That's
not good and it yes, it is different than UFC
and WWE, but they're all similar to where they are

(23:47):
all in a Simil swats where they all had high
payer views once upon time. That's the longer the case anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Well, the thing that makes them completely equal is that
they all want the most eyeballs possible. Like that's that's
another universal truth. Like you know, you can't play it
to nobody. And I think that both UFC and WE
even smart for the direction they were going, and boxing
is going completely opposite. They're completely different direction. So I
have said before, you know, We've talked about this many

(24:14):
times on the show. I'm not as optimistic about the
future of boxing when it's not available, if not it's
on if it's not on ESPN, like you said, regular TV. Yeah,
and the popularity has wayne compared to UFC, of course,
but you still you still gotta try. Man he still
gotta try as hard as you can to make new
fans and get new viewers. And I just don't know,

(24:35):
I don't know what that's gonna look like. But you know,
so far, these couple of names that have been you know,
kind of flow around Manny Pacio's return and Canela Crawford
they're only good for the sport as as much as
we were kind of hamming in hauling about old man
Manny coming back, and you know, the the nostalgia killing
our culture and expecting, you know, these old guys to

(24:56):
save us. The man look good. You know, we can't deny.
He looked damn good. And you said not prime Manny. No,
but he looked as good as you know, any other
any just mid tier fighter today. A young guy in
his twenties was mitterer today.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
He looked better than a lot of guys that currently
fighting that are way better shape and way better athletic prime.
He looked prepared. And I can appreciate that because we
get a lot of guys that are in their prime
that don't be coming to the ring prepared.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
And that's the problem, speaking of being prepared, many being
prepared or not. Ryan Garcia supposedly turned down to fight
against Telfy Ma Lopez, which I think is down just
fight guys. But he said he wants to fight Manny.
Of course, is there is there any well, Okay, sure
of course he does. But if he does, there any
universe where Ryan Garcia has chance to get to Betty.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's a universe, because you know, Ryan is actually unfortunately,
Ryan is actually a somewhat of a talented boxer. Mam Ryan,
he's an idiot. So you know, when you combine those two,
all bet all things are possible. However, without that being said,
it's not gonna I I don't see paciows Camp getting
involved with that. It just feels too unpredictable. It feels

(26:06):
way way too unpredictable in a lot of ways. I
don't think they want to deal with that surface. I
think we get Ryan Garcia and Roy. I think we
get that. I've heard rumors of that, and I think
that'd be cool for both parties, but we don't. Honestly,
Ryan Garcia, o'me deserve a good, big fight right now.
I'd be honest with you. I don't think he deserves it.
I honestly don't think he deserves it at the moment.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Okay, I think you know what, You've been so good
at predicting shit on the show that I want to
do the same thing too, even if I'm wrong. I
want to just put it out there and say say
with my chest, I think Ryan Garcia doesn't have the
ring IQ to beat Manny. He's a talented fighter. I
think Manny's smart enough to know that. And you know,
Ryan Garcia, Yes he doesn't deserve a big fight, but

(26:47):
he's still a name, and he's still a draw, and
he still got his following. So I would say that
Manny would take the Ryan Garcia fight. I think he
would take it over the Tank Davis fight, because that's
another thing that brought Ryan down is Tank's ring. Iqu
I think Many still got the smarts and he's got
the moves, he's got the tools, he's got the talent,
and I'm gonna say official prediction, if not the very

(27:09):
next Manu fight, he would fight Ryan Garcia. And let's
see how ridiculously we're all got turned out to be.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
There's a couple other guys I would be interested seeing
many involved with, but for right now, it's cool. There's
a lot of options. There's a lot of options depending
on how they want to go with it, but it
feels like they're all gonna be money options from here
on out, because the only reason why man is still
fighting is because the money. There's no other reason why.
When you're in in forties, you either owe somebody or
you're extremely bored. I don't think anyone's this bored. So yeah,

(27:42):
I do think.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I do think Tank would be in much better fight.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Oh absolutely. There's also the pre fight stuff. You would
get a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff when
it comes to that. So yeah, Well.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Moving on to another another fighter that had a lot
of stuff go on that we've been talking about, Keishaan Davis.
He did an interview with Oh damn it, I'm sorry
Ariel Hawani. I apologize for not having that ready, but yeah,
he did an interview with Ariol Hawani, his first major
interview after the fracas when he missed wait and you know,

(28:19):
had an altercation after the fight. I'm sure the Kishan,
you know, we we sat on the show that he
is ex communicado like in John Wick because of his behavior,
and I'm sure he would have wanted to come on
our show to talk about it. But we did say
he was ex communicado, so I'm sure he respected that.
So you know, I understand when you wanted to go
out on Ariel Hawani instead, even though we are the
most prominent voices in boxing media right now. But did

(28:41):
a long interview there, talked about his behavior you know,
fested up to a lot of stuff about You know,
he his mind was in the right place. He wasn't ready.
He was trying to force this fight, trying to force
making weight. Apologize to a lot of people, Apologize to norfolk.
The first question to you is are we forgiving him?
Do allow Keishan back into the fold? Or are we

(29:02):
writing him off? As you know as has been we forgive,
but we don't forget.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
This is also a powerful a message because you have
to as an adult, the moment something ain't going right,
you got to speak up. Like, for instance, we have
a show, we have a set time that we had recorded.
If anything comes up with any of our lives, we
hit the chat immediately. Hey can y'all adjust? Or hey

(29:29):
we have a guest that can only do this time
this day. Can we adjust. That's what this is all about.
If he would have came out and said a month
before the fire, say hey, you know what, it would
be unhealthy of me to try to get out to wait.
I will pay whatever, fine, but I'm letting you know
this the situation. You can back out now and we'll
still pay you, or we'll get somebody out there. Ask
me some sort of like, hey man, instead of putting

(29:50):
on this situation, it could have been handled way differently,
but it just didn't go down that way. It was
lack of professionalism. It was very arrogant and it's one
of those lessons that, to be honest with you, he
may not recover from Why there's a chance that he's
gonna need to be spectacular in the ring to recover
from this situation.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, and I'll definitely got to give him some credit.
I mean, yes, agreed, he was arrogant, he didn't speak up,
but also you learn from sucking up, you learn from
your mistakes. And you know, the guy did say you
know that. It was a long interview, but just trying
to pull some some thoughts from it. That he was

(30:30):
going NonStop after the Olympics, fight after fighter to fight
his name rising. There's a lot of pressure, there's a
lot of eyes on you. And we've talked about young
guys on social media not even on there just because
for fun they have to be to get their brand going,
they have to fight often. They we've even said some
guys aren't fighting as often as they should be, so
we're kind of it's a double led sword. You know,

(30:52):
when you're in that position trying to make a name
for yourself, that shit's hard, and I would never I
don't know anything about what that's like. You know, my
liberty is solely centered on the Arizona craft beer seed
that's gone the ship because the industry is in the toilet.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
But you know, that's that's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Being on TV and always having to be on your
piece of cubes and then with the training. My god,
there's one thing to be I don't know, like Brad
Pitt or George Cooney with cameras on you all the
time and you know, focusing on acting, which not saying
that it's easy, but it's not the same as being
a boxer. And he also did say, you know, he
his whole thing was don't let anybody see you sweat,

(31:34):
don't let anybody see you worry. He even said, like,
I'm from the hood, man, we don't talk about this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
We keep it, we keep it. So being from the
hood thing I don't like, because I know a lot
of people from the hood who have decency and communication skills.
The same about being from the hood, it's about being
able to communicate. Hey, man, I can't make weight. Let's
try to figure something out with the contract. Now, I'm
not able to make the weight. If you want to
still fight, that's cool. If you want to back out,

(31:58):
that's fine too. Will work out the financials. But don't
say you from the because now that's the simple communication,
and be honest with you. He's a younger guy, so
I give him a lot of I give him some.
I saw him out a little bit. However, like anything else,
your performance in the ring will always overshadow everything out
of it. But you better be damn good. We've given

(32:21):
a lot of fighters a lot of grace for a
lot of the bullshit they've done out of the ring,
because a lot of fighters should not be given the
grace we've given them. However, they've been really good in
the ring, so we allow that. The moment you aren't
not good in the ring, all bets are off. So
he bet his next fight. Whenever the next fight is,
he better put on an amazing performance.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Okay, yeah, I'm I did appreciate him saying near the end, guys,
mental health is real, you know, talk to your friends,
talk to your people. Don't just say are you good?
He's at Stop asking that stop asking are you good?
That's not enough for real conversations, which I do appreciate,
you know.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But there's a thing though, if you ask that, If
someone asks that, say no and get in a conversation.
Like we're adults, so we can't keep on ask people
to read our minds. If someone asks you a question,
answer it truthfully, and I'd be like, you know what
I'm not. If you've got some time, I'd be more
than happing to explain. Don't just shrug it off. If
someone asks you, they're asking for a reason. They're not

(33:16):
asking because it sounds good. They're asking for a reason.
So if someone asks that question, answer it. I don't.
The problem I have with these kinds of things, these
kind of interviews, is this, he wouldn't be doing this
if the backlash was so crazy. You messed up. You
got to own up to that and don't put it
on everybody else. So eventually, here's the thing. If you
want to see the change, well it should be the change,

(33:40):
like if people are genuinely asking. For the most part,
that if I was in his hometown, there's people who
look forward to that fight. There's people who generally have
his best interest at heart, I don't think there's many
people just trying to be around us to be around.
With that being said, if there's an issue, speak out
about people who are trying to help you. They want
to see you succeed. That whole city, that whole night,

(34:01):
they had club performances, they had concerts. There was a
bunch of events ready to go based off of him.
So it's hard for me to believe that he uses
mental health as all people really advantage. No, no, no,
you gotta seek that. Like as an adult, if you
got a problem, if somebody asks you a question and
they're asking to help you, you better accept her. That's

(34:23):
on you.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Sure, But not everybody who asks are you good or
how you doing? Really cares. I mean, with you go
to the grocery store and they ask how your day is?
They know they don't give it.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
That's that's different. But the people who are around him,
people in the circle who are asking that they I
believe from what I know about that that talent and
how things are done, I juny believe they actually care
and if they can't help, they would get somebody who can.
That's the thing, and I think he needs to take
advantage of that, because again, it's very rare that a

(34:53):
fighter has a hometown like that, to where the whole
the whole city shuts down when you fight. We don't
have that anymore. We used to when we were growing up,
but we don't have the oh shit, this guy's fighting,
the whole city's out, the whole entire hoods out. We
don't have that as much anymore, and it's very rare
to get that. So it's hard to believe that whoever

(35:15):
asked him if he's good was just doing it just
as a courtesy. That's all.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's fair. Yeah, I mean the Philippines entirely would shut
down with many Pecio would fight basketball. I'm saying so yeah,
And I don't know much about anything about Norfolk in Virginia. Honestly,
I have no soul experience to that place.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
In my day job, I know people who live in
that area because for the company we work for, it's
based out of Virginia, so I have a lot of
people who are from that area or around. So they
were going to the fight like they had bought Tickens.
They had talked about it two weeks in advance, and
they were like, Hey, the whole hood like everybody's out,
people were coming into the city. It was a movie.
It was supposed to be a movie and turn into

(35:57):
a horror film.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
So yeah, well, I definitely agree that he needs to
have an amazing performance, but I think he's got it
in him. I mean, he hasn't had really bad performances.
The last fight before this one was against Dennis Berrycheck
when he won the title. Fantastic. I saw that when
I was on vacation in Austin at a Mexican restaurant

(36:18):
that had a giant TV in the middle of that
was on ESPN two, And by the way, I asked
the manager there, can you switch at ESPN for boxing?
And he did, which again goes back to the ship
that we're gonna lose with top Recks not on regular TV.
But that's a conversation we've already had. But no, So yeah,
I mean, I I don't know where we stand with

(36:39):
this guy. He said that he's not coming back right away.
He said maybe he'd fight in a year or so.
He's going to take time for himself, for his mental health,
first family. He said he's not even training. He did
say he's gonna help Bud Crawford train for the fight,
but to him, that was more helping Bud than you know,
for himself. But I don't know. I mean year from now,

(37:01):
I don't he's going to be around, you know, his
brother's still fight. He said to be at their fights.
He's not going to disappear and just you know, uh,
just be completely you know, on the scene anywhere. But
who's no Who's to say what's going to happen a
year later when he comes back and whether people come
out for him.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
That part that that's a big part. And also how
being away from the ring for more than a year
is not an easy thing. That is not a guarantee,
especially when you're that kind of boxer. You guys stay sharp,
you guys stay efficient. Everything's timing, I don't, I don't know.
But it is good that he's taken time away for
his health. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Sure, there's some things that I've heard that I don't
know what it's based on, like, you know, psychologically speaking, again,
barely graduated with a bachelors or with the s bachelor's.
But you know, there is this heard people talk about
the start where when people become famous, they stop developing.
Like both as a child actor, or even to somebody
in their twenties. You sort of like begin living in

(37:58):
a bubble and you don't really see anything outside of
it because you got your you got your team, you
get a promo. All you thinking about is your career,
your celebrity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So you know,
my man, he's twenty six. He's not a little baby
compared to us or watched this. Hell, yes he's a baby,
but he's an adult man. But you know he's been
he's been in the spotlight for a long time. You know,

(38:18):
who's to say where he is? You know, he's an adult,
we're adults. We talked about maturity and speaking up when
something's wrong. I don't know how much he actually knows
to do that or new to do that before the situation.
Maybe this is what it took, you know, just people
throwing metaphorical you know, popcorn and cans and tomatoes tomatoes
at him from the stands for him to realize like, oh,

(38:39):
this shit is serious. I don't know that he knew
how serious this situation was before he went in. Not
making excuses, I'm just saying I can there there's there's
avenues where I can see where his mindset was what
I was on this, So what is our our take
on the show was that man is ex anikado. You

(39:00):
know he's no longer the conversation, how are we gonna
treat him going forward?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
That? But also here's the thing. A lot can change
in a year help boxing, A lot of things change
in a year. It's like this, you have you have
you done, have a second chance. What do you do
with that second chance? That's what's gonna be. There's not
enough quality boxers in the game right now to say, oh,
you can't fight again. However, you got to earn a
lot of trust back. So when you earn a lot

(39:28):
of trust, that means you got to put on dominant
performances and you probably gotta fight once every four months.
So you probably look at like three times a year
and just get back into good graces because once you're
going for a year, people kind of forget about you.
Like that's just kind of how it goes. Like once
you stop fighting for whatever reason, whether you're heard or
legal issues or whatever, people kind of move on to

(39:51):
the next guy. Keep it rolling. Like for instance, Guy
Richardson Hutchins are Hitchens Hutchess, Are Hitchins, Richson, Richard Hitchins,
hitches Y. A guy like that is a guy that
I can fight two more times on the next year
and take a lot of that buzz away, you know
what I mean. That's a guy that's very talented and
that's very confident in his abilities. He's in New York.

(40:11):
He would do good numbers in New York. Those guys
like that are waiting for the opportunity. So my thing
is this. I understand he probably needs some time off
for mental health and his own mind. I get that,
but be careful what you wish for, because once you
sit out, something else is gonna take that spot. That's
just how it goes.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
They talked in that interview about Abdullah Mason is fighting
for the very same title that Kishan vacated. So you know,
there's people ready and waiting. And another thing that's always
been this has been my issue with other sports. My
personal issue is that, you know, basketball football, as much
as I can enjoy watching it, there's too many damn teams.
There's so many people on a team, there's so many names,
team names to remember. Most of them are birds, like

(40:49):
they can't fit in my tiny little peop brain. With boxers,
I'm a lot more aware of who's out there. But
still there's a lot of guys fighting and and women fighting. Who,
like I just said earlier, better be this fighting guy
with twenty two fights only one loss, I don't. I
don't know anything about him if I saw him fight,
because I just just put on fights anytime. I don't remember.
There's so many names out there, even if they're at

(41:12):
the top tier guys. I want to learn those names.
I want to see who's up and coming. And yeah,
it's it's easy to just say you know Kisha and who.
As much as that would suck, it.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Is it would happen. I'm telling you. The moment, the moment,
six months goes by and we don't hear nothing from you,
we forget we honestly, Like, for instance, if Tank didn't
have legal situation, which you I'm glad they didn't decided
to not press to not press charge with which is good.
If he didn't have that, he was still mulling over
everything else, we would just move on. Like we're already

(41:44):
in a sense moving on already. There's already mega fight happening.
There's already talks of pack Yaw fighting again. Their Hell,
there's talks of Andre Warden and Anthony Joshua fighting, so
just in general there, Yeah, and I've heard something with
Triple G coming back. So there's just always stuff in
the boxing news that if you don't fight over around
a six to seven month timeframe as a fan, we

(42:06):
just move on.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, I mean, Triple G never officially retired as far
as I remember, unless I missed it. But you know what, Hey,
let me give you a name and see if you, uh,
have you ever heard of this guy, Andy Ruiz Junior
Andy Ruiz. You know, one of the biggest upsets in
modern boxing history against against Joshua. You know, he was

(42:29):
the top of the town, my god, and you know
everybody has decided about what he's going to do next. Another loss,
which again I never wrote him up. I don't write
people off just for one loss.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
So that can happen when you kind of have a
major upset and get high on your supply and you're unprepared.
He has set himself. You didn't prepared, and then nothing
like I do bo life.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
From what I've heard, he got caught in the Hey,
I'm the champ. I got the money, I'm the channel,
I got the belt, look at me, et cetera, et cetera.
Never really took his conditioning seriously in my opinion, like
for a guy it's a world champ, or was a
world champ at one point, why he never took the
conditioning the way he should have because it hands is nice,

(43:11):
the hands are very concise, fast, strengthen a point compact.
But it just felt that conditioning wise, you kind of
knew it was what it was because it just didn't
see a lot of improvement. I'm not asking to be,
you know, two hundred and ten pounds, but it just
felt that he had a pot belly gut and there
boxing and you just can't last that long in that

(43:33):
sport with that kind of you know, belly on you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Well, I kind of feel like I'm like, I'm digging
back into a core memory in the back of my
brain remembering that a guy named Andrew Luiz existed, because
that feels like, so what what I don't remember off
the top of my head, But how long ago was
that fight? Was in the last like four or five
years twenty nineteen? Yeah, yep, and shit, I mean forget

(44:01):
about just boxing in general, just life. You know, when
the Rona happened, you know, our memories all just got discombobulated.
So twenty nineteen, remember Andrew Reis's you know, his his upset.
That is a lifetime ago that that was his day. Yeah,
but that is at least, speaking for myself, that is
a lifetime ago.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
That at least I mean I have friends that had
kids during that time and now they're kids like seven,
six or seven, So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
So just in this conversation is you know, Keishan Davis
went on the show apologize. However you feel about it
the general, y'all, you're mile lage of may vary. I
give him credit for getting out there talking about this,
saying that he fucked up, and you know, apologizing to people.

(44:51):
You can't ignore that. Whether you think it's like, well
he's doing it just for his name, blah blah blah.
I mean, you know, he eddy boxer can just kind
of retire and disappe here into the into the void
like we talked about, but he made the effort. He
came back, and so I will give him a lot
of credit for that. Whatever anybody else feels about it.
I think, how about this, It's important for fighters to

(45:14):
do this, for our fighters to fess up and say
I fucked up, blah blah blah. And like you said,
we excuse a lot of behavior that we shouldn't and
that's just how not just boxing, but you know, celebrity
world actors, we do that, uh, and we should kind
of just expect, at the very least answering for people
for their own behavior. So thumbs up on that and

(45:38):
we'll just see what happens in the next year. Shout
out to you, and shout out to Arieljwane for being,
you know, one of the one of the third or
so best prominent voices in boxing media after us. So
moving on to or, we go on to our next segment,
Pop Pugilism, the recurring segment in which we discuss a movie,
TV show, or documentary about boxing. Today we were talking

(46:01):
about Undisputed to Last Man Standing, a direct to video
film from two thousand and six. We discussed the first
Undisputed movie in a previous episode. That movie starred Ving
Raimes as George the Iceman Chambers. For this sequel, Iceman
Chambers returns, but this time he's played by Michael Jay White,
a badass martial artist I personally love. Y'all might know
him from playing Spawn in the terrible nineteen ninety seven

(46:23):
film from Black Dynamite, which is awesome, a small role
in the Dark Knight as Gamble. His rival in this
movie is a character named Yuri Boyca, played by another
great martial artist named Scott Atkins, probably the current king
of kick ass. Direct to video action flicks have a
lot to say about this, as usual, but James didn't
want to get some thoughts from you on this movie.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
It was interesting. A lot of fights, like he was
text earlier, a lot of fighting. It felt like the
movie basically a fight movie, Like How Fast It Fears
was just basically a bunch of loud music and car racing.
This is just much fighting. Why it wasn't no movie
in it just felt like fighting. Somebody's perform just fights
and that was it.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
What this feels like is a movie that script that
came in too short, Like the script was like an
hour they needed to get it to, you know, hour twenty, hour,
thirty whatever, and they're like any place who can put
in just a brawl, not even in the ring, Just
like Michael Jay White is just kicking like prison guards
asses other prisoners, any reason they can come up with,

(47:25):
just just to put it in there. So I it
was It was definitely fun. I definitely wanted to watch
something less depressing than Fat City what we did for
our last episode. That was a little heavy and a
great movie, but very heavy. I'm gonna be honest. So
this movie came out in two done six when we
were twenty. I used to be a big film snob.

(47:47):
I still am, but I've softened. In my old age.
I used to look down on direct to video movies.
I thought they were like cheap crap. They were good
enough to be theatrically released. A movie like this couldn't
get its original act you back, so I would never
have seen it. Back then, I would have just thought,
I'm not going to waste my time on this. But
now I realized I was wrong. A lot of direct

(48:08):
to video action films fucking rule, and they're just an
excuse to have, you know, action seems like they don't
make anymore you know, stunts, non stop fights, and I
can really really appreciate it here. And you're right, there's
not a lot of movie there's not a lot of story.

(48:28):
The character of Vice Man Chambers. You know, he went
to jail in the first movie for being accused of
sexual assaults rape. I don't remember what they said there.
And this time he's broken Russia, and the Russians kind
of fake a drug bust to get him in there
so that he could fight Poika, which is ridiculous. It's

(48:49):
it's but this movie is like the right kind of
stupid for me to enjoy. So yeah, I definitely, you
know if I kind I kind of feel bad that
I missed on a lot of cool stuff like this
because I was, like, you know, I believe in the
theatrical releases for film. Yeah, So a question for you, Well, firstly, say,

(49:14):
Scott Adkins uses MMA to fight Michael J. Michael J.
White used traditional boxing, and he has to learn to
adapt after the first fight that goes wrong. So, now,
is this movie secretly about the waning popularity of boxing
versus UFC. Do you think do you think this is
what what's the heart of this?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
You can make an argument. I don't think it's necessarily that,
but you can doesnite make an argument for it. That's
right around the time where we start hearing those whispers.
You know, six o seven was you had a lot
of big UFC stars and they were trying to take
over boxing. Boxing is going through some weird stuff, So yeah,
you can make an argument by just think more and

(49:53):
more is to be honest with you, people like fighting.
They like combat, so whenever they combat, people will watching
tune in. That's always how it goes. There's no way
around that. When you have people fighting, people tune in. Now.
People have fallen in love with UFC like they love
UFC people for whatever reason. Again, teach his own not

(50:16):
my thing personally, but teach his own. People enjoy it.
With that being said, boxing back in the day, when
guys maybe weren't so technical, but maybe brought it out
a little bit more than they should have. People fell
in love with the sport then, so when they have

(50:37):
what we have now, they don't know how to quite
react to it. UFC has a lot more action in
it and there's more chaos in it. So that's why
the average person who's not a fan fan of either
gravitates towards that rather than boxing. But it's just how
it goes.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, I'm the weird guy who really likes the technical
aspects and even when a fight starts slow, I really
love watching the fighters kind of download information, kind of
like try to do jab up top jaba bottom adapt.
I think that that's cool as hell. But yeah, you know,
I'm I'm the weird one.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
People people want to see, you know, action pack fights,
and I do. I do understand. I do understand the
appeal of UFC. For some reason, like you, I just
never got into it. I don't know, it just doesn't
for me. Yeah. So UFC has been around since like
the early nineties, but I don't remember hearing about it
in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Awl the two thousands, but I don't remember hearing about
the nineties either.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, that's that's what I kind of want to ask,
is like, what do you remember? I think I want
to say that I remember really hearing about it and
realizing that it's a thing. Let's say about let's say
like fifteen years ago, which even might have been late.
Maybe I was off the not in the loop.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
But what do you.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Remember hearing the UFC was not just the thing that existed,
but the thing that people were really gravitating towards.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I remember hearing about it in the right when I've
seen your high school. I remember hearing about it, like
Tito Ortez and guy you heard the name that I
didn't know. It's like Chuck the Dale. I remember hearing
the names, but I didn't know much about it because
it wasn't my thing. I was always in the boxing,
so I didn't know all. With that being said, it's

(52:14):
one of those things to where it gravitated very quickly
and the type of person it attracted was very interesting.
So it attracted the person that may not play any
of the sport, but they like this one so much.
Here they go. So that's what it signified to me personally.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Okay, okay, well in this movie, I really the message
is you're not good enough just with regular fist boxing.
You have to adapt, you know. Michael J. White has
to learn how to do that. And that's a little
that's a little heartbreaking for me, you know, because it
just kind of it's like I'm not gonna say it's
spitting into my face, but it just kind of it's

(52:53):
noting its nose. I'll say that at my love of boxing,
and also, you know, personal grudge of the fact that
I'm not flexible and they can't kick for shit, they
take a boxing lessons. You know, I've thrown hands, but
never actually try to throw a kick. So it's so.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
You would need to do pilates first. You would need
to increase your flexibility and do that first before you
got the kickboxing or anything like that because we're so
old and our joints don't work that way. You got
to activate all that stuff first for you go into kickboxing.
If you went to be kickboxing or jiu jitsu or
anything like that, you would harm yourself because that those

(53:29):
muscles ain't been getting used.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
There's a lot of muscles that haven't gotten.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Used in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
But let's not talk about that. But yeah, I mean,
I think what I really liked about this movie is that,
like I said, both Michael J. White and Scott Atkins
are trained martial artists, and it always looks cooler when
you have guys that really have training and know how
to fight, as opposed to I don't know, let's teach uh,
let's teach Brad Pitt and Matt Damon how to box

(53:55):
and you show him hitting the heavy bag and the
little shit right, no, no shade. You know they're doing
what they got to do, and I'm sure they work hard,
but it's never the same, never the same as just
watching a guy that you know knows how to work
the pads. Uh, and even the choreography here, you know,
it's it's awesome and it's brutal. This movie was bloody,
Like there's a lot of dude blood.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
A lot of blood, a lot of gory scenes. I mean,
they have my guy out there cleaning the the the
you know the guy. Yeah, let's put it that way. Yeah.
So but at the end of the day, though, I mean,
the movie was what it was. Can't take it too seriously.
Weird storyline where it basically got plented drugs or whatever

(54:38):
on and then they buzzed them and it's just it's whatever.
But the fighting was what it was. It was a
lot of fighting. But yeah, it's not I don't remember
it in the theater, I'll put it that way.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Well, it didn't come out, didn't come out in theaters.
The first one came out in theaters.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, this one straight, Yeah, this happened because they're watching
it like, yeah, this was like so, you know, you
can watch a movie like one point five or two speed.
This was a two speed movie.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you can. You can watch it
and like during the talky talk parts if you're doing
something else or texting, and you know, there's not a
complicated plot to follow, folks.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
This movie for me was done like a thirty seven
minute I basically it was two speed fall fall fall along.
Oh okay, that's what happened. Okay, this was go I'm doing.
This is what happened against Jackets everybody, you know, Okay,
he helped him out when he was awesome. Oh so
it was good. It was had some parts in it, yeah,
some part but it was kind of like you said,
it was a straight to blockbuster. You know, we old
so back then this wasn't a blockbuster, but yeah, it's

(55:37):
straight to blockbuster movie.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
And you know, like I said, I'm realizing now that, uh,
you know, because I watched a lot of great films
over the years, and when I was younger, in my
teenage years, discovering things, you know, Seven to the Lembs
and you know, Citizen Kme blah blah blah. But now
that I'm older, I'm like, you know, John Claude, man,
damn movies were actually fucking awesome, Like all that ridiculous,
you know, NonStop action. And another thing I always go

(56:02):
back to with films is that this is from an
era that we've lost. A lot of this stuff is CGI.
You know, there's a lot of green screen, there's not
a lot of real sets, even a lot of a
lot of stunts when you know, dudes used to actually
get thrown out of windows. Now it's like a CGI
body falling, you know, from building. And I understand kind
of the same thing. I understand that you want to

(56:24):
make this thing safer, but I feel like action movies
like boxing, like skydiving shouldn't be that safe. I think
there should be an element of danger where dudes are,
you know, jumping off of buses and off of helicopters
and blah blah blah. And that's just what it's always
got to be. And this movie, really it holds up

(56:46):
better than I imagine it would op when I was in
my twenties. And it's just fun, you know, watching these
guys trained martial artists kick ass and have these amazing
you know Corey Gap fight moves. It's a lot of fun.
And it's it's from it's from a bygun era. I
hate that I'm the grampy. Now that's like back in
my day trudo movies like they used to.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
But they really don't.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I'm sorry, they just really really don't. So what what
do you?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
What do you write?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
This? Out of four gloves?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Jamison two point seven five. I could be convinced him
of three, but two point seven five I had his
min I said, the movie had its moments. It wasn't great,
but it had its moments. The fight things were cool,
they were what they were. The acting was what it was.
There was some capassion, there was some some villain moments.
So I would say at two point seven.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Five, I I'm the other way. I could be convinced
three point two five, but I'll go three out of
four for mine. I do like I like both of
these guys. You know, Michael J. White just doesn't have
the uh the acting range of the big raims, but
he's good, you know, he's he's got some good moments.
He can be very funny. If y'all want to see

(57:55):
some more awesome direct to video movies with him in
Scott Atkins Triple Threat is amazing, got both of these
guys in it. It's got Tony Jah's got Eco aways
from the Raid. Uh Scott Atkins movie Ninja two, Shadow
of the Tier. I've actually read online that the first
Ninja Ninja one is not that great, so skip to

(58:15):
the second one. Amazing, great fight scenes, NonStop action. You
will not be lost after if you skip the first one.
So check these guys out. Definitely support our action superstars
that are kind of just relegated to DVD only, or
I guess that would be direct to streaming, is what
it is. We're so old we're still thinking about direct

(58:37):
a blockbuster, but that's it went direct to Blu ray
and then directed streaming since we were kids, right right, Well,
that's gonna do it. For today's show, Jamison, where can
people find you on social media?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
At the Jamison on Twitter? Find me on there. You know,
love talking boxing and boxing. I get they shit together, man.
Everyone else is they can't be last in a party
because sometimes there won't be a party to go to.
So hopefully the powers that be all come together for
the greater good and get this streaming situation figured out.
Whereab I can go to one place for all the.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Fights one hundred percent percent. Yeah, we're uh, we're in
the need for great fights. After the Canela Crawford because
we don't we don't want there to be dead air
after that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
You can keep pushing it. We need you, Chris Stevens
to fight, and we need all the all the guys
that have a name, they're undefeated, they're young, all those
guys got to keep fighting, man, You got to keep
that fire burn. You gotta keep being active. Guys shouldn't
be off less they're hurt. Guys shouldn't be off more
than four months. Man, I'm sorry. Guys got ninety days
get back on track, and you should be fighting that

(59:43):
in that next thirty day window. And that's what's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
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