September 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Jamieson and Luis are back and excited to discuss the results of last weekend's MEGAFIGHT between Terence Crawford and Canelo Alvarez. Jamieson kicks things off giving Luis his props for almost nailing the prediction and Luis acknowledges Jamieson's foresight about the potential for questionable score cards. The duo also discussed what could be next for each fighter, what could be next for the fight game in general and a couple upcoming events.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, U standing at six foot five, weight
class unknowns, but hailing from the city of sand Put
your hands together for Jamison Welch. And in this corner,
standing at five foot ten, weighing in at pound and
coming to us from his super secret bunker with no
AC in Tucson, Arizona. Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back to a special edition of the Mixed Company Podcast.
Of course, my name is Jamison, and I'm joined by
Luis as always, and Luis, I talk about, Man, we
finally got the.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Fight we talked about over a year ago. What are
your thoughts? What happened, What's going on? How was the night?
All the above?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Man, I got so much to say, but you know what,
I gotta start here.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Uh, I'm gonna allow you for a minute to sit
back and give me my flowers.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Compliment me.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Because most of boxing media said Canelo was gonna take
the fight, Cadel's getta win by a decision. I was
the man who said Bud Crufford could pull it off.
I said he was going to be underestimated. I said,
do not better, do not count out Bud Crufford. And
on Saturday Night, we saw Terrence Bud Crufford win by
(01:13):
unanimous decision against Canela Ovaris in this mega fight, So, uh,
you know, go ahead, let me know, Come tell me
I was right. Tell me I was right.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Draw a lot of very good points over the year,
just in terms of just even hypothetical of the matchup.
You mentioned things about canel Will being more of a
short guy that's stocky instead of being a taller guy
ass lean, and as the fight went on, I'm like,
he's got a point because there wasn't a whole lot
of movement the hands be kind of wasn't there like
(01:41):
a big slowgany in the ring compared to a Crawf
who felt, you know, he was older. He felt like
a fresher, more athletic, have more pop in his punches
and his step.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I'm like, damn, Luis did say this. From the
last year.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He's been saying like, hey, canell is still elite, but
it's not the same canot we remember from five years ago,
or is not that particular guy. And I'm like, damn,
why that's it all came around like around seven six
or seven, I'm like, Okay, that's what we's been talking about.
But until you fight and lead fighter, you kind of
don't see it because you can get by when you're
fighting lesser guys. You can get by on a lot
(02:14):
of things. But once to the ring with another elaitue guy,
all your flaws get exposed.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And it sure came to like Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Sure the thing that blew me away right.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
When it started is but actually looked huge, Like I
he looked so much bigger, be feared than Canela. And
I think Canel of course looked you know, of course
muscular and good shit, but leaner then maybe in the
last like let's say, last last year's fights, So maybe
he was trying to do the same thing as you know,
get that I talked about, get leaner, maybe move a
(02:47):
little faster on his feet. But yeah, Bud was looking
like he looked like Baine in that cut tam ring.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He was very comfortable with the way he was walking
around with that's the thing, and didn't he didn't necessarily
need power, but he was able to dictate the fight
a lot of ways. Being able to frustrate and at
the opponent like Canelo was probably the most impressive thing
for me, where Canelo just couldn't solve the puzzle.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He just couldn't solve them.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
He couldn't didn't know when to attack, didn't know when
to do, you know, didn't we know how to defend.
This is always a step or too late to the punch.
And that was ultimately the fight. Even though I thought
I was gonna be a closer fight. I thought it
was a closer fight than everybody else had it. I know,
you on Twitter and Blue Sky and Igen, if you're
at a bar, people think the fights went one way
or another. I thought the fight was five to five
(03:32):
going I knew well. I thought the judges would have
the fight at five to five after ten rounds, because
that's just how judges are because everybody sees the fight differently,
which you may see in a round I might see different.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So in the first three to four rounds, if it's
two two, it's.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Not too far gone in my eyes, even though I
may have a three to one, you may have a
three one, or somebody may have a four to zero.
But every judge's difference. So I knew it was going
to be a closer fight than we all. You know,
then people were thinking. But at the end of the day,
but even though one fifteen one thirteenth kind of wild.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
But did do enough to take care of business. It
was very impressive.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I really I did stick with the idea that But's
gonna win by either splitter majority of decision because of
what you said. What our amazing guest sportscaster Al Bernenstein
said in our previous episode, go back and listen to that.
Just because we talked about Canelo Crawford doesn't mean we
talked a lot about the state of Bosting today. Still relevant,
(04:31):
definitely check out that episode. But he made the point,
as did you, that Canelo gets the benefit of the
doubt on the cards, especially in Vegas. So I honestly
was surprised that it went full unanimous decision even after
the performance. You know, we talked on the group chat
a bit about how you expected a wild card, like
a ridiculous card.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I told you, I'll like, hey, don't be surprised. I
heard one fifteen one thirteen all prepared. I was like, oh,
they're about to do this, and I was like, oh no,
but yeah, I mean that's what it felt like when
they when I heard one, because it was one sixteen
one twelve, Like all right, that's yeah, that's kind of
what we see. Well, thirteen goes either way, Like when
that score gets tossed, that literally goes in aleven. Oh no,
(05:13):
but they got it right. But yeah, I expected that
I thought it would go. It was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
On the carg We're gonna be very close, and not.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Because Canelill fought the great fight, but when you have
that kind of pedigree and you're that kind of guy,
you get the benefit of the doubt, especially early on
in the fight. The judges is going to give you
in a in a not so busy round, the judge's
gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the guy
that is basically favored in the fight. That's just how
(05:41):
it always goes. Whether it's right or wrong, we can
debate that for a long time, but we've seen some
of these fights now where the guy that's favored for
whatever reason gets the benefit of the.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Doubt in those rounds that there's not a lot of
activity in.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I mean, I uh, did you think it was a
good fight? Did you like the outcome of the the
quality of the fight.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It had the perfect mixture of boxing and also action.
It wasn't a strictly twelve round boxing match where you had,
you know, not necessarily born, but it wasn't slow on action.
You didn't have boxers jab jab, defend, defend for twelve.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You didn't have that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You had power punches, you had flurried, you had guys
making adjustments. It was a perfect mixture. If that was
my first boxing match, I would have loved it, you
know what I mean. If that was my I always
kind of quit it to that this is the first
time I've ever watched boxing.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
He threw me into that fight. I'm like, Oh, when's
the next one? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It had the perfect mix of everything. So if I'm
explaining someone new, I'm like, hey, this is boxing, and
you see with Terrence Crawford is in this dance today
able to do this, this, and that he's able to
defend while also attacking. This is why, and saying with Canelo,
even though as the fight went on it was a
whole lot more strategy, it was more trying to land
power punches. So being able to explain that while also
(06:57):
having a fight that's entertaining to hit all the numbers
to me, hit all the metrics to.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Me, same same, Here's something that I never thought that
I wouldn't be able to articulate before the fight. And
what really really stuck with me about buds Chances is
his ability to adapt, which I didn't realize what I
didn't realize what I was thinking until I saw him
a few runs in. He moved like a guy that
(07:23):
belonged to that weight class.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yes, yes, he looked real comfortable. He looked very comfortable.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
The standard sort of take on this was while he's
going to get a lot bigger, he's going to be slower.
But it's not a matter of like speed or no speed.
It's a matter of can you adapt to walking around
of that weight like you said, And he looked like
a guy that He looked like a guy that you know,
could have been that same weight class for years now.
He looked like a formidable opponent for Canelo specifically, And
(07:52):
I think that's kind of really what what had me
thinking that I was going to go for a bud wind.
You know, I would go back and forth, of course,
but at the end of the day, I think that's
what clicks did. And just you just saw him, like
he said, maybe by a round three years or so.
I was like, Tim, he looks good. At that weight class.
He looks in control of his feet. You know, he
(08:15):
came out, he came out south ball, which Canelo had
trouble with Billy Joe Saunders at the beginning before he
timed him out.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So smart fighter. Uh used a lot of high IQ.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
He wasn't slow, but he wasn't the you know, the
and that's something that you specifically said it wasn't gonna
be Bud Crawford versus.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Errol Spence and yeah, no no no no no no
no no no.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That wasn't gonna happen. Hey, and also kudos AND's chin.
Canelo has probably the best I've seen in this relationship.
I mean, he's taking some shots and I thought back
later that evening that trilogy verse triple G even though
he you know, there was a draw and he won
close fights. That wears down a fighter. Those wear on you.
(09:01):
When you have those kind of fights with that kind
of guy, it where on you. Crawford didn't have those
kind of wars with guys like that. He doesn't have
thirty six rounds like that, you know, and they're not
just spreaditing. I'm just saying just overall, when you have
those kind of fights those age you a lot quickly.
We've seen other guys have trilogies and even for a
part series, and you can see how those things wear
(09:26):
down a guy. And it felt like as great as
Canelo was and it still is, you just feel that
he's wasn't the same guy. I think it's a culmination
of everything. I think it's a culmination of all. He's
been a very active fighter, He's fought some really tough fights,
and it's just one of those things where sometimes you're
just not the best guy that night.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Nothing wrong with it at all.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I just don't think the styles of the two boxers
is not a good match for him looking back at it,
but it's a culmination of everything.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah, he took a lot of bombs and he handled
himself well. But I did say another thing I said
is that I don't think budd was going to be
able to break her or knock down Canelo. But those
power punchers were gonna land and they're gonna look good
to the judges, and they look good, and you go
back and look at Instagram highlights some of those stills.
(10:14):
There was one kind of really funny one where it
was a shout of Canelo getting a punch landing on
Canelo and then one of him looking side eyed it.
But and the caption was just like Canelos wondering what
his life is right now at this moment.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and I believe that.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And to be honest with you, is one of those
things to where once you can land those kind of shots,
you're confidence the sky high. Especially when the other guy's
not able to land. It was like, oh, this guy's
controlled the fight, and it really not much canolicially do
because the kind of the kind of shot.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Canal they need to land, he couldn't land versus. But
that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
At the end of the day, the home runs when
he needed he wasn't gonna catch.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But with that, it just wasn't gonna happen that night.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, and you can tell frustrated. Halfway through the fight.
He was fighting frustratedly.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
You saw it against Devol, Yeah, and you even saw
it against Berlega a bit.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I think I was a fantastic opponent, but you know
he is.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He's just a beefy dude again who who is able
to handle those shots really well. And William Skull just
because he was mostly because he was dancing around like
now you see the pattern of frustrated Canelo tried his
best and just not not getting where it needs to be.
And once I saw that, I was like, it's clip,
that's it. We're oh, you're gonna get a butter win.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Absolutely. And the also like we look at the fight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Once a guy is not able to go to plan
B and there's no plan SE, he's like, oh, this
is kind of over. Like I mean, even though it
was close early, the back half of the fight was
you know, it was what it was. Now, let me
ask you, since we saw what we saw and we
know boxing the way we do, do we need a rematch?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I would I want to rematch? Of course I would
want to rematch. You know, the energy of that night
was so awesome. It was so the anticipation was amazing.
I don't want it to be like Chasing the Dragon,
where I want that same feeling again. It's never gonna
be the same, but we could recapture a little bit.
I would love a rematch. My heart was pounding. I'm
not a kid.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Like when when the ringboks happened, like for most of
the fight.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
It was just boom boom boom, boom boom, because I
was so so excited for the fight itself, the anticipation
I was talking about it for a year or so,
that everything just whether it was going to happen or not,
like it was real.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
It was finally real and I was there in front.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Of the TV, and yeah, man, I that this fight
really really reminded me of why I love boxing so much.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I don't need a mega fight like that every single weekend.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I don't. I just like wat nice. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
But if the unexpected this of the of the Bud
win for most people, not for me, but for most people,
you know, uh, I'm sure that you know, there would
still be excitement for a rematch.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So do we need it? I don't know. Do I
want it? Absolutely? I absolutely want What about you? How
do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Is it necessarily? We did one?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But here my thing is, Budd says after the fight
he wants to be at one sixty.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Okay, that's a whole different can of worms. And I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
What Bud's goals are, So I don't know if Bud
wants to make most money going forward or he wants
to take on the next best challenger going forward. Those
are the questions we have no idea, So it's honestly,
it's tough talking about who who would he fight? Who
can he fight? And we don't know those things. It's
kind of tough about, oh, you fight bev All or
(13:48):
it's just not. It's really difficult, however, knowing. But the
way we know Bud, this was like the first kind
of cash grap well, the second kind of cash grab
fight he's fought.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
He's more of it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Say hey, whoever the biggest comp is, let's run it
and whatever. So I can see him fighting someone that's
not going to bring him the biggest amount of money
just to do what he does. But I think he's
gonna be smart about it. I think we're not gonna
see him for rest of this year. Obviously, you're probably
looking at the back half of next year. If I
had to guess, he's an older guy, so I think
(14:21):
he probably takes the rest of this year off, and
then going forward we probably get announcement in the late
winter or early spring about his next plans.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Agreed.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I guess we don't know what his plans are, but
we can speculate as much as we want. I mean,
the man has all the cachet in the world right now.
You know, whatever he wants to do, people are gonna
follow him. And what we said last episode was people
might know him, but don't put enough respect on his name.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Now they're gonna. Now they're gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yet. See, he's the best of this generation and he's
on the mount rushmore of our lifetimes. He's that good.
Like that's where he's at now. He's that good.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Agreed with that said, though, you know he is and
he's only human, you know he is, and he's you know,
almost forty, and you know he he doesn't want to
go out challenging somebody like a here's the thing, let's
let's talk about our our that poor Bestard David Benavitez,
who he can screaming up over and over again. There's
(15:21):
he should not challenge him. He should probably go going
down to one sixty is probably the best.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Option for him because we're.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Gonna run into the canal problem of him fighting big
guys are lower their.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Weight, big younger guys too.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You guys, I have the same amount of reach, like
I thinks can talk about is Crawford's reach for his
size is very impressive. And if you have somebody with
the same reach or even a longer reach and that's
younger and more athletic, I don't know what that looks like.
I think that present some challenges in the ring that
this fight did. Not not saying he wouldn't win, not
saying he would lose him, but he was saying it's
a different type of fight that takes place, so it
(15:58):
would be very interesting to see. But yeah, man, yeah
bev all. But if he does, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I don't know. But here's the thing. Those are fights
we want to see. Why.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
That's the thing we don't want. I don't want to
see him fight up to me. Okay, I don't want
to see him take a stopgap fight. I know you
don't either, And we'll watch and we'll be happy he's fighting,
but we don't want to see you at the point
now where he has to fight somewhat of substance.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
He has to. There's no way around it.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yes, but you also have made the point not but
and you have also made the point that you want
to be smart about your next fight, especially at a
time like this. You know, you're you're you're righty high uh,
and do something that is a quality fight, quality competition,
but also not something that's gonna get you embarrassed on
you know, like TV after your biggest win of your
(16:50):
entire career, right.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, right, So I would run the back of Canelo
and get the A side money or get fifty fifty
on the money.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Personally, that would be my thing.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's a very favorable matchup for him, and there's things
he can probably improve upon and the next fight as well,
So that probably my my.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Thing for him. But again I don't I'm not in
his camp. I don't know. Also, I don't know what
did to his body. I don't know. We don't know yet.
We'll find out what.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
We don't know what that the long term ramifications of that,
If there's any, There might not be any, but we
have no clues because he immediately set one sixty after
the fight and that was kind of telling, So who knows.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That's a good, really good point.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I mean, I'm it's never easy to put on that
much weight in terms of muscle. It's easy for me
to put on that much weight just a long weekend,
just you know, just keep the tab going and yeah,
I'll make the I'll bake weight.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Not for the right reasons, but i'll make mind it's
all bad. But yeah, this.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Is one of those things maybe that he's like, I
have to do it for this fight to get this
w but I can't live like this.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I can't, you know, continue my career at this weight.
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well, I think he walks around like at one seventy. Okay,
so that's the case. Getting the one sixty eight it's easy,
like that's not a that's not a problem. But again,
fighting that kind of fight at this age, I don't
know how his body responds. That does gon'ta be interesting
to see. But he immediately said one sixty. So when
you say one sixty, it means you may have somebody
(18:23):
in mind. Normally that means you have somebody in mind
or you have something in mind. As I'm very curious
on the next plans, Like, I'm very, very curious because
now he's the go to guy, he's the guy wants
to see. He's a guy that can sell and arena.
He can't all he can't fill out the stadium by himself.
He could definitely still out an NBA arena.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
For sure, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Let's just strikes a little bit talking less about the
actual fighters or plans.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
You had said during our last episode, which we recorded
with the legendary sports caster Albertstein, that you didn't really
see a lot of hype out in Vegas where you are.
Did that change about the week you recorded early in
the week. What was the vibe like on your Friday
night Saturday were It wasn't the same.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It was cool, but it wasn't ell reci pece of
Ricky Hatton. It was not that the environment. It wasn't
that that was one of the craziest weeks I've ever
had in the city, that that the people came over
upon ten days early and then the drunk the city
out of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So it wasn't that kind of weekend. It wasn't. Definitely
wasn't Paqi on Mayweather.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was not Pati on McGregor, It wasn't pak JM.
It was because underrated, all right, underrated fan base boxing.
Our Filipino brothers and sisters are very out of the
boxing fans. They come and support, they support their guy
and they yeah, it's different, but.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
This was a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But it wasn't like a the city's buzzing, buzzing, everybody's
talking about it, everybody can't wait it was. It wasn't
ho hum, but it it wasn't like other fights in
the past. Now there could be a lot of reasons
for one. Everybody gets to watch on Netflix, so it's
not like, Oh, I gotta go to a fight party,
I gotta go to the ballroom watch it. Hell, all
(20:11):
of the semos had it on. I think it was
one of those things where if you got Netflix, you'll
be able to watch it. I think that's a big
part of it. But also Terrence Crawford, even though he's
an amazing boxer, we don't know him outside of boxing.
We don't know his name man outside of boxing. So
it's not gonna be like a transcendence start. Like when
(20:33):
Patyall was fighting, he was more popular damn there outside
of the ring than in obviously Floyd And like there's
certain guys that had more of a cachet outside of
their sport than in.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Terrence Crawford doesn't have that at the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That might change, it may not, But the casual person
is knocking, like, oh, I know who that is? Like
Terrence Crawford will walk down the street and they other
person will not know who he is.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
That is a very good point, Yeah, because I was
very curious of at that because we're this is a
fight in a football stadium, you know, Llegion stadium.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I was ordering, like this is such a big
deal just in the terms of bodies going to see
the fight, Like why wasn't it typed up in town?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
But it makes perfect sense. I mean, yeah, a lot
of people have Netflix. A lot of people have Netflix
and they don't care about boxing, and they just put
it on. I saw Instagram like the day after they're
having a watch party at some Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I hadn't heard of. It was like just one of
those places.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
It's like a food trucks, some tables, like in the
middle of the side of the road. That was awesome,
Like I'm glad that they did that, they're having their
watch party, but like that would have never happened for
at the Zone fight, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And so that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's the that's not saying it's a bad thing, because
I think it's Netflix and watch you know, I think
that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's something that we you know, we're gonna have more of,
so that's cool. However, the buzz are that same. I
think that several reasons for that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
One it is NFL season as well, footballs and fall,
but also people's funds are not like they used to be.
People's Vegas is Vegas is not a cheap place to
go to anymore. You're gonna be You're gonna pay for everything.
It's not as easy to get in here price wise
it anymore like it used to be.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So it's a little bit more difficult than it was
in the past.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But with that being said, you got seventy thousand people
in a football stadium for a boxing match, and that's
very impressive and you're twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, I can't even imagine the energy being there at
that place. And I've said on record before like that
doesn't seem like fun to me, is going to see
boxing in a at a football stadium, even with concerts
Like I don't like to go if I can't afford
to have a decent seat, if I'm up in the nosebleeds,
I'd rather just I'd rather just just take that money
and go to a bar and have a good time, honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So it's funny you mentioned that I got offered to
buy a six hundred dollars seat. It was like six
and change and it was nowhere close to the ring,
Like it was a decent seat, but it was just
no work. It wasn't the point where you're watching on
the screen as out of the fight, and I'm like, nah, man,
I got I have the money, but I'd rather I'd.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Rather just pocket the money and you know, watch it
at home. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I did look at the tickets at lead to State,
and you know, I don't know why I even did,
because I know I'm not Allegiance Stadium Canelo fight in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Uh, income racket, that's different.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I do.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I know, I don't have kids, so I do all
right for myself actually, but yeah, that is just a
whole other other level that you know, Yeah, the same
thing with you. I could have afforded like the no
nosebleediest of nosebleed seats, but yeah, that's that just doesn't
sound like like worth worth the effort to me, you know.
And when you said six hundred bucks, I'm I is
(23:47):
that in the parking lot?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Like you get in set six bugs.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
They were decent seats, but for six hundred bucks, I
couldn't justify. And I mean I have the money, it's
just justifying. Spending that much on that at that time
did not make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I got you know, really at the end of the day,
you know, I went to see the fight at my
go to place, the Neighborhood Bar on twenty nine Street
and Tucson best place to watch boxing. Vibe was awesome.
They had a DJ, you know, spinning in between fights.
He did the meal thing and every time Canelo was on,
and it's it's just a really good time. Good food,
(24:26):
lots of drinks, lots of drinks, lots of lots of
drinks and man over there and back. So you know,
I was, I was very I was as responsible as
I could have been on a night like that. But
the it was crazy. Actually, I'm surprised. Uh it was
surprise of the type. But now I understand. It wasn't
as packed as I thought it would have been. There
was a good crap.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
There's a lot of people there, but again Netflix, you
know people.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, you know, being able to you know what, I'm
cool being able to like, so getting dressed up whatever.
You could just be around the house and chilling and
turn on TV, app, commuting, tablet, whatever, and you're gonna go.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's never really been my thing.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I've said it before, you know, I want the experience
of going somewhere and watching it and you know, the
communal vibe. That's the thing I don't really feel with
any other sport. I mean, I've been to super Bowl
watch parties. It doesn't feel the same. I don't get
that excitement, vive energy, you know, anything like that. If
I've watched the super Bowl at sports bars, at breweries,
et cetera, and it's a good time, I'm not even complaining.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I'm saying it, you know, boring or whatever.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
But it's not the same as a as a killer
boxing match, especially being in Tucson with a lot of
Mexicans out here and the neighborhood specifically being like, you.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Know, how is a mixed company at the at the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Not definitely a lot more Hispanic folks there. I did see,
but a crab like five or six black guys. I
didn't specifically hear anything racist from the Mexican people being said,
but do you know what, I'm.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Sure it happened. I'm sure it happened. I'm just gonna
be real about that.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know, Like I don't I don't fuck with any
of that, you know, I yeah, me personally, you know,
I love boxing, and I love I love but Crawford specifically.
But I also kind of went in there undercover and
didn't make it really clear.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
That I was working for but just just in case.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
But but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
You know that's something that I just kind of the
point of this show. Part of one of the points
of the show is to kind of bridge that divide
between black fighters, brown fighters, and or their fans rather
and just you know, man, I don't know. At least
we didn't lose to white guy. Neither guy lost to Okay, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's the funny part. Like i'ven know how popular boxing was. Well,
I knew how it was. I probably was in Mexico.
I didn't know to what extent. I didn't know that
the fights of Mexico have like cars of like twenty
five fights and people stay of a whole car. I
was not aware up until this far. I listened to podcasts,
different things, different interviews. I didn't know I know people
(26:55):
I know Mexican people support they own that's a dope
thing to do. But I didn't know boxing was such
a a winner for the whole card. A we get
dressed what I didn't know it like it was very impressive.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, no, absolutely, that's something I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
It's it's something I've never not known as a kid,
and you know, watching clus and just everybody, every every
Mexican in Houston knew in school the helocunos as to
as was, you.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Know, all the kids in elementary school. Even I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
That's just something that uh was was ingrained this back then,
which is why I'm also such a Canilo fanboy because
he sort of brings that, uh, that energy out from
the Mexicans fans as well.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know, I haven't really had somebody like that.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Uh And curious to see what happens to him going forward.
So he's got two more fights on the RIAT season
card under Turkey Ella shik as a promoter. Uh And
what do we think is gonna happen? I have my ideas, Jamison,
what's what's next for for our boy?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
For Canelo?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I think it all comes down if there's a rematch
or not. Because little rematch or not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's obviously one of them, right, Like that's obviously the
common thing, and then there's not. Then I bet you
see a filler for the next one, and then can
see how things go for the last one. I don't
think there's like a huge I mean, Can is always
gonna draw, so it's always.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Gonna be people wanting to fight.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I just don't know what fights that he really wants
to make it this time.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
See good Our producer j' right Davis, he asked on
on Blue Sky that whether we think Can's gonna fight
Benavidez or not. I gave that a straight hell no,
hell no, no, Yeah, for the reasons that I mentioned before.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
You know, Benavitez is a big guy. Bevo was a
big guy.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Canelo was a little guy that got beefy and Cano
or sorry Bud Crawford was a little guy that got
beef as well, and Cal couldn't do it. So I
think it's it's eye opening for him, probably more so
than before because obviously he didn't want to Benevegas fight, right,
but that is never I would be shocked. I would
be I'll go on record and say I don't believe
(29:04):
it's ever gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I've been wrong before, I've never been afraid to be wrong.
But I don't know. I mean, I can't imagine if
he's trying to, you know, milk this Saudi contract for
as much as he can, that he wouldn't take a
rematch because other than the Vedas fight, there's I don't
think there's any other fight he could make.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
This really gonna get the you know, the the following,
you know, the excitement, the hype. If you really wanna,
if you really want to make this payout for you
call it's got to be another another butt fight.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
We have a rematch. But here's the thing, Bud has
to one to do the rematch, Like Bud doesn't have
to be the rematch, doesn't. That's a good pun.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I don't think he would turn it down because it's
obviously favoring him a lot, But I don't think he
wants I mean, he has to want to do it,
that's the first thing. Secondly, Canelo would have to want
to do it as well. And if the money the
thing is I don't know where the general interest is
for it, obviously people will go. It will probably solid
(30:04):
a legion again if that's where you had it. But
I don't know if the height with the first one
would transfer to the second one.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Okay my opinion, I think you should take these, finish
off the Sunny contract and retire. Honestly, you know, no shade,
he's man's a legend. He also cemented himself in boxing history.
He's one of the best to ever do it. But
I would rather he you know, dipped, than just kind
of keep coming back and just become a sad situation
(30:35):
where you should have just passed its pride and should
retired ages ago. We've seen that as well.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That also, you've made the money, so money should not
be a should not be an option. You have a
Hall of Fame career, You're one of the best fighters
of your generation. I don't think there's anything more to prove.
Like I said, not finding better Vita, like that's not happening.
I was don't wanna read match with anyone else, play
(31:00):
off the string, like I said, you can have two
random fights and then call it a day.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I don't. I just don't see it. I just don't
want to see him. Could remember before this fight was made,
there's a rumor that he was gonna fight Jake.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Paul And you know, I don't think that's gonna happen,
But you know that was I think he was using
it as leverage. But yeah, I think that we see Canelo.
I don't see him taking on anything crazy. I don't
see him doing anything and challenged at this date. I
think it's gonna you know, it is what it is.
He had a great run, a hell of a run,
(31:33):
a lot of fights. But I agree with you, I
think it's time.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Well, there's two avenues here. Yeah, I agree with you.
We're not gonna see a Bevo rematch. We're not gonna
see it.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
A bit of beat this fight. If he on, whether
there's a Butter rematch, the question.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Is is he going to take two whatever fights you
know makes money and dip or is he gonna take
these two fights and then keep going in twenty twenty
seven and forward?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
And should he? You know, the man's got the man
has got a crazy, hell of an ego. Let's be
let's be legit.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
You know, he he probably wanted to go out on
a high as his career was was winding down.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That but also here's the thing we don't know what
boxing looks like in another year or two. We don't
know who steps up, We don't know who emerges, We
don't know anything. So if there's something that comes out
of nowhere and presents himself, all right, I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
But until that actually happens, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, I think he's probably gonna have to do something
outside the box, uh to get attention, even if it's
a random fight, like he said he wanted to fight
in London. Maybe he does something like that he fought
in Saturday for Maybe he does that it. Maybe he
goes back to Waldo how to you know, to his
hometown and because that that last, how do I get
that British guy sold out in like like the idea
(32:53):
so he could do he could do that again, so
in order to kind of not just have him sort
of putter out of the of the sport. You know,
hadn't had something like that where you can say, okay,
Canelo in London, you know him in the photo next
to the bridge and the you know, the queen or whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I don't have a queen any you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Okay, yeah, but something like that would really he's really
gotta gotta find a hook for twenty twenty six to
uh to kind of garter the attention and the hype.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah, I mean they love the man, you know, had
an amazing career.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
But he's just think though, we can't we cannot get
stuck in the situation where he had a couple of
losses and he's on his way out in his late
thirties and just say, well, he sucks.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Now, he's trashed, he's a bum, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
You know, the man had an amazing run and he
should always be given credit for that, doesn't It's not.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
A bad fight either, That's the thing, right right, Yeah,
he got embarrassed out there that one he just lost.
I mean, I didn't think the fight was one thing
Team one thirteen, but it wasn't like I watched one
point one Wight, So it wasn't that anyone else he fights,
sorry night fight wins.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
It's just he fought against the guy that just that
damn good.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, agreed, Oh man, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
I mean over the weekend the a r ip Ricky
hadn't Christian Mobiley versus Lester Martinez amazing fight with these
two guys on the same card.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
You know, it was just a an all around.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Amazing event and just a really interesting weekend for boxing.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Uh now yeah, in a way.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Came back on Sunday, I said, I thought that after
the Canal fight, I would be able to stay awake
till I think what three forty am.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
To us to know? Yeah, you know, wait, fight live
famous last words.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm alad you bring that up. We don't need no
flight fight starting at ten pm on local time. We
don't need that because we need nine pm to be
the because remember we're on the West coast, so it's
we were okay, but if you're in the midwest East coast,
this is rough one am start time.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Yeah, I mean I that doesn't does It doesn't bother
me because I'm a night out and I don't get
enough sleep anyway. But at the same to me, boxing
was always like the middle of the night kind of event. Uh,
you know, stay standing up late as a kid, later
than I should be to watch fights. Uh you know
with the family. I don't know, it just seems yeah,
but boxing is indoors. Boxing is you know, it's it's
a night time event. That's why when when I was,
(35:27):
you know, taking boxing classes and sparring, and I asked
the buddy of mine to run with me.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
He was just like, yeah, let's meat up at seven
in the morning. I'm like, hell, Moore, boxing is a.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Night's I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
We were like jogging in the cold in the winter,
and I'm like, this sucks. So so yeah, I get
what you're saying, but I don't know. That's always been always.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Remember it's not for us.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
We're fine, bro, Like a one am start time, ain't it.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, I okay, I'll get you one am. You tell
me main event starts at midnight my time wherever I am.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I'm still okay with that, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, but here's the issue, though, there's more people you
can get if your main.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Event starts at ten thirty eleven, sure in the night,
you know what I mean. Like, if that's the we
all thought the business mark, if that's what we're wrong,
then yeah, like we have to we gotta be smart
about this.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
So one of the less things here we can finish
up with this. How do you feel about Netflix being
involved in boxing? I mean, obviously it was the fact
that Netflix, it didn't do what we what we said
could potentially happen is they throw on a fight and
then just like sits there and you want to watch
you want to watch it. There was promotion they did
they you know, they advertise all of the the press
(36:45):
conferences all that. You know, they really really went on
this as a major effect. Do you think it was
good for Netflix to be involved in this fight? Yeah,
it was cool. I didn't like that the post fight
fee went out. I didn't like that, but for the
most part it was cool. You know, it was clear,
it was no buffering. The servers were good, like, it
(37:05):
was all good. The team, the announcement team was good.
The I forgot the Skipper's card was kind of off.
I thought that was kind of weird. But whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But with all that being said, it was a really
good production.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Agreed.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I think that what Netflick has to do is to
get into the smaller fights, you know, not just the
ones every like I said once every year every two
years mega fights. It's hey, remember we're the guys that
put on Canela Crawford.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Let's watch you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I could tell me Maltpus fighter or something like that,
and just get more uh more quantity of the good
fighters that we know, right, and I think that that's
gonna be a that's gonna be a very good option
for boxing going forward.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Top rank, you know, still kind of in the wind.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
I saw a thing online that now, in a way
if I was going to be broadcast live on.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Facebook, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, so I.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Don't know what what Top Break is going to be doing,
but it's here's another thing. People on Instagram at the
very least, we're commenting, okay, so where can I see
this fight?
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Where can I seek about this?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
And that's what happens when you leave ESPN and you
don't have a home, as we've said, so we gotta.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
How about it?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Pick something, dammit, just pick a channel, pick a streaming network.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I don't care, you know, I think that's coming because
what's happening is you have people who are in charge,
that are the adults in the room now, and that
are they're here to make a deal. They're not here
to tell you how great they are or any nonsense
like that. They're here to make a deal, which is
always good. And the guy from UFC, why am I
(38:47):
for not? Why am I offering his name for something?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Way? Yes? Yes, he's here to make a deal.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He's here to make sure we get fights because in
his sport, we get fights, and well we like you'll
see or not, they fight a lot and there's a
lot of big events. So with that being said, it's
a big deal. It makes a lot of sense for
there to be actual fight, you know, it makes sense
to be like, hey, you know what, let's put them
(39:14):
on TV. Let's have somewhere where boxing fans know where
it's gonna be at. So it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well that's pretty much all I had.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
I don't know if there's any final thoughts you got
about this this amazing weekend.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Let's call it an amazing weekend for boxing.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
All yeah, no, I can't wait to see what's the next.
I'm very curious.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I really don't feel that this is like the thing
happened and then everybody just kind of shrokes their soldiers
and I was like, all right, whatever you know for
you now, people are I feel the vibe is excitement
because but the but's the big star right now, he's
got a lot of attention that he hadn't had before.
Fans of his like ours, are excited for other people
(39:56):
to say, wait, this guy was this guy? Yeah, so
I I don't think it wasn't like you know, peek
and then you know the exciting that went down. Hell,
I think it's a good time for Boxing to kind
of write.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
This waves as far as I.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Definitely cool.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I guess maybe call this episode what twenty last episode?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Twenty four?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Is this twenty four point five twenty five? I don't
even know bonus episode, but episode bonus episode? Yeah, okay,
Jamison Breaking people find you on social media.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
On Twitter at the Jamison That's where I'm at most. Oh,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
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and Salu
In this corner, U standing at six foot five, weight
class unknowns, but hailing from the city of sand Put
your hands together for Jamison Welch. And in this corner,
standing at five foot ten, weighing in at pound and
coming to us from his super secret bunker with no
AC in Tucson, Arizona. Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back to a special edition of the Mixed Company Podcast.
Of course, my name is Jamison, and I'm joined by
Luis as always, and Luis, I talk about, Man, we
finally got the.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Fight we talked about over a year ago. What are
your thoughts? What happened, What's going on? How was the night?
All the above?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Man, I got so much to say, but you know what,
I gotta start here.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Uh, I'm gonna allow you for a minute to sit
back and give me my flowers.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Compliment me.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Because most of boxing media said Canelo was gonna take
the fight, Cadel's getta win by a decision. I was
the man who said Bud Crufford could pull it off.
I said he was going to be underestimated. I said,
do not better, do not count out Bud Crufford. And
on Saturday Night, we saw Terrence Bud Crufford win by
(01:13):
unanimous decision against Canela Ovaris in this mega fight, So, uh,
you know, go ahead, let me know, Come tell me
I was right. Tell me I was right.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Draw a lot of very good points over the year,
just in terms of just even hypothetical of the matchup.
You mentioned things about canel Will being more of a
short guy that's stocky instead of being a taller guy
ass lean, and as the fight went on, I'm like,
he's got a point because there wasn't a whole lot
of movement the hands be kind of wasn't there like
(01:41):
a big slowgany in the ring compared to a Crawf
who felt, you know, he was older. He felt like
a fresher, more athletic, have more pop in his punches
and his step.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I'm like, damn, Luis did say this. From the
last year.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He's been saying like, hey, canell is still elite, but
it's not the same canot we remember from five years ago,
or is not that particular guy. And I'm like, damn,
why that's it all came around like around seven six
or seven, I'm like, Okay, that's what we's been talking about.
But until you fight and lead fighter, you kind of
don't see it because you can get by when you're
fighting lesser guys. You can get by on a lot
(02:14):
of things. But once to the ring with another elaitue guy,
all your flaws get exposed.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And it sure came to like Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Sure the thing that blew me away right.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
When it started is but actually looked huge, Like I
he looked so much bigger, be feared than Canela. And
I think Canel of course looked you know, of course
muscular and good shit, but leaner then maybe in the
last like let's say, last last year's fights, So maybe
he was trying to do the same thing as you know,
get that I talked about, get leaner, maybe move a
(02:47):
little faster on his feet. But yeah, Bud was looking
like he looked like Baine in that cut tam ring.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He was very comfortable with the way he was walking
around with that's the thing, and didn't he didn't necessarily
need power, but he was able to dictate the fight
a lot of ways. Being able to frustrate and at
the opponent like Canelo was probably the most impressive thing
for me, where Canelo just couldn't solve the puzzle.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He just couldn't solve them.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
He couldn't didn't know when to attack, didn't know when
to do, you know, didn't we know how to defend.
This is always a step or too late to the punch.
And that was ultimately the fight. Even though I thought
I was gonna be a closer fight. I thought it
was a closer fight than everybody else had it. I know,
you on Twitter and Blue Sky and Igen, if you're
at a bar, people think the fights went one way
or another. I thought the fight was five to five
(03:32):
going I knew well. I thought the judges would have
the fight at five to five after ten rounds, because
that's just how judges are because everybody sees the fight differently,
which you may see in a round I might see different.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So in the first three to four rounds, if it's
two two, it's.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Not too far gone in my eyes, even though I
may have a three to one, you may have a
three one, or somebody may have a four to zero.
But every judge's difference. So I knew it was going
to be a closer fight than we all. You know,
then people were thinking. But at the end of the day,
but even though one fifteen one thirteenth kind of wild.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
But did do enough to take care of business. It
was very impressive.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I really I did stick with the idea that But's
gonna win by either splitter majority of decision because of
what you said. What our amazing guest sportscaster Al Bernenstein
said in our previous episode, go back and listen to that.
Just because we talked about Canelo Crawford doesn't mean we
talked a lot about the state of Bosting today. Still relevant,
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definitely check out that episode. But he made the point,
as did you, that Canelo gets the benefit of the
doubt on the cards, especially in Vegas. So I honestly
was surprised that it went full unanimous decision even after
the performance. You know, we talked on the group chat
a bit about how you expected a wild card, like
a ridiculous card.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I told you, I'll like, hey, don't be surprised. I
heard one fifteen one thirteen all prepared. I was like, oh,
they're about to do this, and I was like, oh no,
but yeah, I mean that's what it felt like when
they when I heard one, because it was one sixteen
one twelve, Like all right, that's yeah, that's kind of
what we see. Well, thirteen goes either way, Like when
that score gets tossed, that literally goes in aleven. Oh no,
(05:13):
but they got it right. But yeah, I expected that
I thought it would go. It was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
On the carg We're gonna be very close, and not.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Because Canelill fought the great fight, but when you have
that kind of pedigree and you're that kind of guy,
you get the benefit of the doubt, especially early on
in the fight. The judges is going to give you
in a in a not so busy round, the judge's
gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the guy
that is basically favored in the fight. That's just how
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it always goes. Whether it's right or wrong, we can
debate that for a long time, but we've seen some
of these fights now where the guy that's favored for
whatever reason gets the benefit of the.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Doubt in those rounds that there's not a lot of
activity in.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I mean, I uh, did you think it was a
good fight? Did you like the outcome of the the
quality of the fight.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It had the perfect mixture of boxing and also action.
It wasn't a strictly twelve round boxing match where you had,
you know, not necessarily born, but it wasn't slow on action.
You didn't have boxers jab jab, defend, defend for twelve.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You didn't have that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You had power punches, you had flurried, you had guys
making adjustments. It was a perfect mixture. If that was
my first boxing match, I would have loved it, you
know what I mean. If that was my I always
kind of quit it to that this is the first
time I've ever watched boxing.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
He threw me into that fight. I'm like, Oh, when's
the next one? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It had the perfect mix of everything. So if I'm
explaining someone new, I'm like, hey, this is boxing, and
you see with Terrence Crawford is in this dance today
able to do this, this, and that he's able to
defend while also attacking. This is why, and saying with Canelo,
even though as the fight went on it was a
whole lot more strategy, it was more trying to land
power punches. So being able to explain that while also
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having a fight that's entertaining to hit all the numbers
to me, hit all the metrics to.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Me, same same, Here's something that I never thought that
I wouldn't be able to articulate before the fight. And
what really really stuck with me about buds Chances is
his ability to adapt, which I didn't realize what I
didn't realize what I was thinking until I saw him
a few runs in. He moved like a guy that
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belonged to that weight class.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yes, yes, he looked real comfortable. He looked very comfortable.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
The standard sort of take on this was while he's
going to get a lot bigger, he's going to be slower.
But it's not a matter of like speed or no speed.
It's a matter of can you adapt to walking around
of that weight like you said, And he looked like
a guy that He looked like a guy that you know,
could have been that same weight class for years now.
He looked like a formidable opponent for Canelo specifically, And
(07:52):
I think that's kind of really what what had me
thinking that I was going to go for a bud wind.
You know, I would go back and forth, of course,
but at the end of the day, I think that's
what clicks did. And just you just saw him, like
he said, maybe by a round three years or so.
I was like, Tim, he looks good. At that weight class.
He looks in control of his feet. You know, he
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came out, he came out south ball, which Canelo had
trouble with Billy Joe Saunders at the beginning before he
timed him out.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So smart fighter. Uh used a lot of high IQ.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
He wasn't slow, but he wasn't the you know, the
and that's something that you specifically said it wasn't gonna
be Bud Crawford versus.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Errol Spence and yeah, no no no no no no
no no no.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That wasn't gonna happen. Hey, and also kudos AND's chin.
Canelo has probably the best I've seen in this relationship.
I mean, he's taking some shots and I thought back
later that evening that trilogy verse triple G even though
he you know, there was a draw and he won
close fights. That wears down a fighter. Those wear on you.
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When you have those kind of fights with that kind
of guy, it where on you. Crawford didn't have those
kind of wars with guys like that. He doesn't have
thirty six rounds like that, you know, and they're not
just spreaditing. I'm just saying just overall, when you have
those kind of fights those age you a lot quickly.
We've seen other guys have trilogies and even for a
part series, and you can see how those things wear
(09:26):
down a guy. And it felt like as great as
Canelo was and it still is, you just feel that
he's wasn't the same guy. I think it's a culmination
of everything. I think it's a culmination of all. He's
been a very active fighter, He's fought some really tough fights,
and it's just one of those things where sometimes you're
just not the best guy that night.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Nothing wrong with it at all.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I just don't think the styles of the two boxers
is not a good match for him looking back at it,
but it's a culmination of everything.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah, he took a lot of bombs and he handled
himself well. But I did say another thing I said
is that I don't think budd was going to be
able to break her or knock down Canelo. But those
power punchers were gonna land and they're gonna look good
to the judges, and they look good, and you go
back and look at Instagram highlights some of those stills.
(10:14):
There was one kind of really funny one where it
was a shout of Canelo getting a punch landing on
Canelo and then one of him looking side eyed it.
But and the caption was just like Canelos wondering what
his life is right now at this moment.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and I believe that.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And to be honest with you, is one of those
things to where once you can land those kind of shots,
you're confidence the sky high. Especially when the other guy's
not able to land. It was like, oh, this guy's
controlled the fight, and it really not much canolicially do
because the kind of the kind of shot.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Canal they need to land, he couldn't land versus. But
that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
At the end of the day, the home runs when
he needed he wasn't gonna catch.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But with that, it just wasn't gonna happen that night.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, and you can tell frustrated. Halfway through the fight.
He was fighting frustratedly.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
You saw it against Devol, Yeah, and you even saw
it against Berlega a bit.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I think I was a fantastic opponent, but you know
he is.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He's just a beefy dude again who who is able
to handle those shots really well. And William Skull just
because he was mostly because he was dancing around like
now you see the pattern of frustrated Canelo tried his
best and just not not getting where it needs to be.
And once I saw that, I was like, it's clip,
that's it. We're oh, you're gonna get a butter win.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Absolutely. And the also like we look at the fight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Once a guy is not able to go to plan
B and there's no plan SE, he's like, oh, this
is kind of over. Like I mean, even though it
was close early, the back half of the fight was
you know, it was what it was. Now, let me
ask you, since we saw what we saw and we
know boxing the way we do, do we need a rematch?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I would I want to rematch? Of course I would
want to rematch. You know, the energy of that night
was so awesome. It was so the anticipation was amazing.
I don't want it to be like Chasing the Dragon,
where I want that same feeling again. It's never gonna
be the same, but we could recapture a little bit.
I would love a rematch. My heart was pounding. I'm
not a kid.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Like when when the ringboks happened, like for most of
the fight.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
It was just boom boom boom, boom boom, because I
was so so excited for the fight itself, the anticipation
I was talking about it for a year or so,
that everything just whether it was going to happen or not,
like it was real.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
It was finally real and I was there in front.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Of the TV, and yeah, man, I that this fight
really really reminded me of why I love boxing so much.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I don't need a mega fight like that every single weekend.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I don't. I just like wat nice. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
But if the unexpected this of the of the Bud
win for most people, not for me, but for most people,
you know, uh, I'm sure that you know, there would
still be excitement for a rematch.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So do we need it? I don't know. Do I
want it? Absolutely? I absolutely want What about you? How
do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Is it necessarily? We did one?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But here my thing is, Budd says after the fight
he wants to be at one sixty.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Okay, that's a whole different can of worms. And I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
What Bud's goals are, So I don't know if Bud
wants to make most money going forward or he wants
to take on the next best challenger going forward. Those
are the questions we have no idea, So it's honestly,
it's tough talking about who who would he fight? Who
can he fight? And we don't know those things. It's
kind of tough about, oh, you fight bev All or
(13:48):
it's just not. It's really difficult, however, knowing. But the
way we know Bud, this was like the first kind
of cash grap well, the second kind of cash grab
fight he's fought.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
He's more of it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Say hey, whoever the biggest comp is, let's run it
and whatever. So I can see him fighting someone that's
not going to bring him the biggest amount of money
just to do what he does. But I think he's
gonna be smart about it. I think we're not gonna
see him for rest of this year. Obviously, you're probably
looking at the back half of next year. If I
had to guess, he's an older guy, so I think
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he probably takes the rest of this year off, and
then going forward we probably get announcement in the late
winter or early spring about his next plans.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Agreed.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I guess we don't know what his plans are, but
we can speculate as much as we want. I mean,
the man has all the cachet in the world right now.
You know, whatever he wants to do, people are gonna
follow him. And what we said last episode was people
might know him, but don't put enough respect on his name.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Now they're gonna. Now they're gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yet. See, he's the best of this generation and he's
on the mount rushmore of our lifetimes. He's that good.
Like that's where he's at now. He's that good.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Agreed with that said, though, you know he is and
he's only human, you know he is, and he's you know,
almost forty, and you know he he doesn't want to
go out challenging somebody like a here's the thing, let's
let's talk about our our that poor Bestard David Benavitez,
who he can screaming up over and over again. There's
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he should not challenge him. He should probably go going
down to one sixty is probably the best.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Option for him because we're.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Gonna run into the canal problem of him fighting big
guys are lower their.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Weight, big younger guys too.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You guys, I have the same amount of reach, like
I thinks can talk about is Crawford's reach for his
size is very impressive. And if you have somebody with
the same reach or even a longer reach and that's
younger and more athletic, I don't know what that looks like.
I think that present some challenges in the ring that
this fight did. Not not saying he wouldn't win, not
saying he would lose him, but he was saying it's
a different type of fight that takes place, so it
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would be very interesting to see. But yeah, man, yeah
bev all. But if he does, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I don't know. But here's the thing. Those are fights
we want to see. Why.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
That's the thing we don't want. I don't want to
see him fight up to me. Okay, I don't want
to see him take a stopgap fight. I know you
don't either, And we'll watch and we'll be happy he's fighting,
but we don't want to see you at the point
now where he has to fight somewhat of substance.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
He has to. There's no way around it.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yes, but you also have made the point not but
and you have also made the point that you want
to be smart about your next fight, especially at a
time like this. You know, you're you're you're righty high uh,
and do something that is a quality fight, quality competition,
but also not something that's gonna get you embarrassed on
you know, like TV after your biggest win of your
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entire career, right.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, right, So I would run the back of Canelo
and get the A side money or get fifty fifty
on the money.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Personally, that would be my thing.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's a very favorable matchup for him, and there's things
he can probably improve upon and the next fight as well,
So that probably my my.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Thing for him. But again I don't I'm not in
his camp. I don't know. Also, I don't know what
did to his body. I don't know. We don't know yet.
We'll find out what.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
We don't know what that the long term ramifications of that,
If there's any, There might not be any, but we
have no clues because he immediately set one sixty after
the fight and that was kind of telling, So who knows.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That's a good, really good point.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I mean, I'm it's never easy to put on that
much weight in terms of muscle. It's easy for me
to put on that much weight just a long weekend,
just you know, just keep the tab going and yeah,
I'll make the I'll bake weight.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Not for the right reasons, but i'll make mind it's
all bad. But yeah, this.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Is one of those things maybe that he's like, I
have to do it for this fight to get this
w but I can't live like this.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I can't, you know, continue my career at this weight.
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well, I think he walks around like at one seventy. Okay,
so that's the case. Getting the one sixty eight it's easy,
like that's not a that's not a problem. But again,
fighting that kind of fight at this age, I don't
know how his body responds. That does gon'ta be interesting
to see. But he immediately said one sixty. So when
you say one sixty, it means you may have somebody
(18:23):
in mind. Normally that means you have somebody in mind
or you have something in mind. As I'm very curious
on the next plans, Like, I'm very, very curious because
now he's the go to guy, he's the guy wants
to see. He's a guy that can sell and arena.
He can't all he can't fill out the stadium by himself.
He could definitely still out an NBA arena.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
For sure, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Let's just strikes a little bit talking less about the
actual fighters or plans.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
You had said during our last episode, which we recorded
with the legendary sports caster Albertstein, that you didn't really
see a lot of hype out in Vegas where you are.
Did that change about the week you recorded early in
the week. What was the vibe like on your Friday
night Saturday were It wasn't the same.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It was cool, but it wasn't ell reci pece of
Ricky Hatton. It was not that the environment. It wasn't
that that was one of the craziest weeks I've ever
had in the city, that that the people came over
upon ten days early and then the drunk the city
out of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So it wasn't that kind of weekend. It wasn't. Definitely
wasn't Paqi on Mayweather.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was not Pati on McGregor, It wasn't pak JM.
It was because underrated, all right, underrated fan base boxing.
Our Filipino brothers and sisters are very out of the
boxing fans. They come and support, they support their guy
and they yeah, it's different, but.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
This was a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But it wasn't like a the city's buzzing, buzzing, everybody's
talking about it, everybody can't wait it was. It wasn't
ho hum, but it it wasn't like other fights in
the past. Now there could be a lot of reasons
for one. Everybody gets to watch on Netflix, so it's
not like, Oh, I gotta go to a fight party,
I gotta go to the ballroom watch it. Hell, all
(20:11):
of the semos had it on. I think it was
one of those things where if you got Netflix, you'll
be able to watch it. I think that's a big
part of it. But also Terrence Crawford, even though he's
an amazing boxer, we don't know him outside of boxing.
We don't know his name man outside of boxing. So
it's not gonna be like a transcendence start. Like when
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Patyall was fighting, he was more popular damn there outside
of the ring than in obviously Floyd And like there's
certain guys that had more of a cachet outside of
their sport than in.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Terrence Crawford doesn't have that at the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That might change, it may not, But the casual person
is knocking, like, oh, I know who that is? Like
Terrence Crawford will walk down the street and they other
person will not know who he is.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
That is a very good point, Yeah, because I was
very curious of at that because we're this is a
fight in a football stadium, you know, Llegion stadium.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I was ordering, like this is such a big
deal just in the terms of bodies going to see
the fight, Like why wasn't it typed up in town?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
But it makes perfect sense. I mean, yeah, a lot
of people have Netflix. A lot of people have Netflix
and they don't care about boxing, and they just put
it on. I saw Instagram like the day after they're
having a watch party at some Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I hadn't heard of. It was like just one of
those places.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
It's like a food trucks, some tables, like in the
middle of the side of the road. That was awesome,
Like I'm glad that they did that, they're having their
watch party, but like that would have never happened for
at the Zone fight, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And so that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's the that's not saying it's a bad thing, because
I think it's Netflix and watch you know, I think
that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's something that we you know, we're gonna have more of,
so that's cool. However, the buzz are that same. I
think that several reasons for that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
One it is NFL season as well, footballs and fall,
but also people's funds are not like they used to be.
People's Vegas is Vegas is not a cheap place to
go to anymore. You're gonna be You're gonna pay for everything.
It's not as easy to get in here price wise
it anymore like it used to be.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So it's a little bit more difficult than it was
in the past.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But with that being said, you got seventy thousand people
in a football stadium for a boxing match, and that's
very impressive and you're twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, I can't even imagine the energy being there at
that place. And I've said on record before like that
doesn't seem like fun to me, is going to see
boxing in a at a football stadium, even with concerts
Like I don't like to go if I can't afford
to have a decent seat, if I'm up in the nosebleeds,
I'd rather just I'd rather just just take that money
and go to a bar and have a good time, honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So it's funny you mentioned that I got offered to
buy a six hundred dollars seat. It was like six
and change and it was nowhere close to the ring,
Like it was a decent seat, but it was just
no work. It wasn't the point where you're watching on
the screen as out of the fight, and I'm like, nah, man,
I got I have the money, but I'd rather I'd.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Rather just pocket the money and you know, watch it
at home. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I did look at the tickets at lead to State,
and you know, I don't know why I even did,
because I know I'm not Allegiance Stadium Canelo fight in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Uh, income racket, that's different.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I do.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I know, I don't have kids, so I do all
right for myself actually, but yeah, that is just a
whole other other level that you know, Yeah, the same
thing with you. I could have afforded like the no
nosebleediest of nosebleed seats, but yeah, that's that just doesn't
sound like like worth worth the effort to me, you know.
And when you said six hundred bucks, I'm I is
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that in the parking lot?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Like you get in set six bugs.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
They were decent seats, but for six hundred bucks, I
couldn't justify. And I mean I have the money, it's
just justifying. Spending that much on that at that time
did not make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I got you know, really at the end of the day,
you know, I went to see the fight at my
go to place, the Neighborhood Bar on twenty nine Street
and Tucson best place to watch boxing. Vibe was awesome.
They had a DJ, you know, spinning in between fights.
He did the meal thing and every time Canelo was on,
and it's it's just a really good time. Good food,
(24:26):
lots of drinks, lots of drinks, lots of lots of
drinks and man over there and back. So you know,
I was, I was very I was as responsible as
I could have been on a night like that. But
the it was crazy. Actually, I'm surprised. Uh it was
surprise of the type. But now I understand. It wasn't
as packed as I thought it would have been. There
was a good crap.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
There's a lot of people there, but again Netflix, you
know people.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, you know, being able to you know what, I'm
cool being able to like, so getting dressed up whatever.
You could just be around the house and chilling and
turn on TV, app, commuting, tablet, whatever, and you're gonna go.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's never really been my thing.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I've said it before, you know, I want the experience
of going somewhere and watching it and you know, the
communal vibe. That's the thing I don't really feel with
any other sport. I mean, I've been to super Bowl
watch parties. It doesn't feel the same. I don't get
that excitement, vive energy, you know, anything like that. If
I've watched the super Bowl at sports bars, at breweries,
et cetera, and it's a good time, I'm not even complaining.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I'm saying it, you know, boring or whatever.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
But it's not the same as a as a killer
boxing match, especially being in Tucson with a lot of
Mexicans out here and the neighborhood specifically being like, you.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Know, how is a mixed company at the at the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Not definitely a lot more Hispanic folks there. I did see,
but a crab like five or six black guys. I
didn't specifically hear anything racist from the Mexican people being said,
but do you know what, I'm.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Sure it happened. I'm sure it happened. I'm just gonna
be real about that.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know, Like I don't I don't fuck with any
of that, you know, I yeah, me personally, you know,
I love boxing, and I love I love but Crawford specifically.
But I also kind of went in there undercover and
didn't make it really clear.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
That I was working for but just just in case.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
But but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
You know that's something that I just kind of the
point of this show. Part of one of the points
of the show is to kind of bridge that divide
between black fighters, brown fighters, and or their fans rather
and just you know, man, I don't know. At least
we didn't lose to white guy. Neither guy lost to Okay, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's the funny part. Like i'ven know how popular boxing was. Well,
I knew how it was. I probably was in Mexico.
I didn't know to what extent. I didn't know that
the fights of Mexico have like cars of like twenty
five fights and people stay of a whole car. I
was not aware up until this far. I listened to podcasts,
different things, different interviews. I didn't know I know people
(26:55):
I know Mexican people support they own that's a dope
thing to do. But I didn't know boxing was such
a a winner for the whole card. A we get
dressed what I didn't know it like it was very impressive.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, no, absolutely, that's something I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
It's it's something I've never not known as a kid,
and you know, watching clus and just everybody, every every
Mexican in Houston knew in school the helocunos as to
as was, you.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Know, all the kids in elementary school. Even I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
That's just something that uh was was ingrained this back then,
which is why I'm also such a Canilo fanboy because
he sort of brings that, uh, that energy out from
the Mexicans fans as well.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know, I haven't really had somebody like that.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Uh And curious to see what happens to him going forward.
So he's got two more fights on the RIAT season
card under Turkey Ella shik as a promoter. Uh And
what do we think is gonna happen? I have my ideas, Jamison,
what's what's next for for our boy?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
For Canelo?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I think it all comes down if there's a rematch
or not. Because little rematch or not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's obviously one of them, right, Like that's obviously the
common thing, and then there's not. Then I bet you
see a filler for the next one, and then can
see how things go for the last one. I don't
think there's like a huge I mean, Can is always
gonna draw, so it's always.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Gonna be people wanting to fight.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I just don't know what fights that he really wants
to make it this time.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
See good Our producer j' right Davis, he asked on
on Blue Sky that whether we think Can's gonna fight
Benavidez or not. I gave that a straight hell no,
hell no, no, Yeah, for the reasons that I mentioned before.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
You know, Benavitez is a big guy. Bevo was a
big guy.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Canelo was a little guy that got beefy and Cano
or sorry Bud Crawford was a little guy that got
beef as well, and Cal couldn't do it. So I
think it's it's eye opening for him, probably more so
than before because obviously he didn't want to Benevegas fight, right,
but that is never I would be shocked. I would
be I'll go on record and say I don't believe
(29:04):
it's ever gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I've been wrong before, I've never been afraid to be wrong.
But I don't know. I mean, I can't imagine if
he's trying to, you know, milk this Saudi contract for
as much as he can, that he wouldn't take a
rematch because other than the Vedas fight, there's I don't
think there's any other fight he could make.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
This really gonna get the you know, the the following,
you know, the excitement, the hype. If you really wanna,
if you really want to make this payout for you
call it's got to be another another butt fight.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
We have a rematch. But here's the thing, Bud has
to one to do the rematch, Like Bud doesn't have
to be the rematch, doesn't. That's a good pun.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I don't think he would turn it down because it's
obviously favoring him a lot, But I don't think he
wants I mean, he has to want to do it,
that's the first thing. Secondly, Canelo would have to want
to do it as well. And if the money the
thing is I don't know where the general interest is
for it, obviously people will go. It will probably solid
(30:04):
a legion again if that's where you had it. But
I don't know if the height with the first one
would transfer to the second one.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Okay my opinion, I think you should take these, finish
off the Sunny contract and retire. Honestly, you know, no shade,
he's man's a legend. He also cemented himself in boxing history.
He's one of the best to ever do it. But
I would rather he you know, dipped, than just kind
of keep coming back and just become a sad situation
(30:35):
where you should have just passed its pride and should
retired ages ago. We've seen that as well.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That also, you've made the money, so money should not
be a should not be an option. You have a
Hall of Fame career, You're one of the best fighters
of your generation. I don't think there's anything more to prove.
Like I said, not finding better Vita, like that's not happening.
I was don't wanna read match with anyone else, play
(31:00):
off the string, like I said, you can have two
random fights and then call it a day.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I don't. I just don't see it. I just don't
want to see him. Could remember before this fight was made,
there's a rumor that he was gonna fight Jake.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Paul And you know, I don't think that's gonna happen,
But you know that was I think he was using
it as leverage. But yeah, I think that we see Canelo.
I don't see him taking on anything crazy. I don't
see him doing anything and challenged at this date. I
think it's gonna you know, it is what it is.
He had a great run, a hell of a run,
(31:33):
a lot of fights. But I agree with you, I
think it's time.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Well, there's two avenues here. Yeah, I agree with you.
We're not gonna see a Bevo rematch. We're not gonna
see it.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
A bit of beat this fight. If he on, whether
there's a Butter rematch, the question.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Is is he going to take two whatever fights you
know makes money and dip or is he gonna take
these two fights and then keep going in twenty twenty
seven and forward?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
And should he? You know, the man's got the man
has got a crazy, hell of an ego. Let's be
let's be legit.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
You know, he he probably wanted to go out on
a high as his career was was winding down.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That but also here's the thing we don't know what
boxing looks like in another year or two. We don't
know who steps up, We don't know who emerges, We
don't know anything. So if there's something that comes out
of nowhere and presents himself, all right, I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
But until that actually happens, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, I think he's probably gonna have to do something
outside the box, uh to get attention, even if it's
a random fight, like he said he wanted to fight
in London. Maybe he does something like that he fought
in Saturday for Maybe he does that it. Maybe he
goes back to Waldo how to you know, to his
hometown and because that that last, how do I get
that British guy sold out in like like the idea
(32:53):
so he could do he could do that again, so
in order to kind of not just have him sort
of putter out of the of the sport. You know,
hadn't had something like that where you can say, okay,
Canelo in London, you know him in the photo next
to the bridge and the you know, the queen or whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I don't have a queen any you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Okay, yeah, but something like that would really he's really
gotta gotta find a hook for twenty twenty six to
uh to kind of garter the attention and the hype.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah, I mean they love the man, you know, had
an amazing career.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
But he's just think though, we can't we cannot get
stuck in the situation where he had a couple of
losses and he's on his way out in his late
thirties and just say, well, he sucks.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Now, he's trashed, he's a bum, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
You know, the man had an amazing run and he
should always be given credit for that, doesn't It's not.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
A bad fight either, That's the thing, right right, Yeah,
he got embarrassed out there that one he just lost.
I mean, I didn't think the fight was one thing
Team one thirteen, but it wasn't like I watched one
point one Wight, So it wasn't that anyone else he fights,
sorry night fight wins.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
It's just he fought against the guy that just that
damn good.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, agreed, Oh man, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
I mean over the weekend the a r ip Ricky
hadn't Christian Mobiley versus Lester Martinez amazing fight with these
two guys on the same card.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
You know, it was just a an all around.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Amazing event and just a really interesting weekend for boxing.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Uh now yeah, in a way.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Came back on Sunday, I said, I thought that after
the Canal fight, I would be able to stay awake
till I think what three forty am.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
To us to know? Yeah, you know, wait, fight live
famous last words.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm alad you bring that up. We don't need no
flight fight starting at ten pm on local time. We
don't need that because we need nine pm to be
the because remember we're on the West coast, so it's
we were okay, but if you're in the midwest East coast,
this is rough one am start time.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Yeah, I mean I that doesn't does It doesn't bother
me because I'm a night out and I don't get
enough sleep anyway. But at the same to me, boxing
was always like the middle of the night kind of event. Uh,
you know, stay standing up late as a kid, later
than I should be to watch fights. Uh you know
with the family. I don't know, it just seems yeah,
but boxing is indoors. Boxing is you know, it's it's
a night time event. That's why when when I was,
(35:27):
you know, taking boxing classes and sparring, and I asked
the buddy of mine to run with me.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
He was just like, yeah, let's meat up at seven
in the morning. I'm like, hell, Moore, boxing is a.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Night's I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
We were like jogging in the cold in the winter,
and I'm like, this sucks. So so yeah, I get
what you're saying, but I don't know. That's always been always.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Remember it's not for us.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
We're fine, bro, Like a one am start time, ain't it.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, I okay, I'll get you one am. You tell
me main event starts at midnight my time wherever I am.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I'm still okay with that, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, but here's the issue, though, there's more people you
can get if your main.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Event starts at ten thirty eleven, sure in the night,
you know what I mean. Like, if that's the we
all thought the business mark, if that's what we're wrong,
then yeah, like we have to we gotta be smart
about this.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
So one of the less things here we can finish
up with this. How do you feel about Netflix being
involved in boxing? I mean, obviously it was the fact
that Netflix, it didn't do what we what we said
could potentially happen is they throw on a fight and
then just like sits there and you want to watch
you want to watch it. There was promotion they did
they you know, they advertise all of the the press
(36:45):
conferences all that. You know, they really really went on
this as a major effect. Do you think it was
good for Netflix to be involved in this fight? Yeah,
it was cool. I didn't like that the post fight
fee went out. I didn't like that, but for the
most part it was cool. You know, it was clear,
it was no buffering. The servers were good, like, it
(37:05):
was all good. The team, the announcement team was good.
The I forgot the Skipper's card was kind of off.
I thought that was kind of weird. But whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But with all that being said, it was a really
good production.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Agreed.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I think that what Netflick has to do is to
get into the smaller fights, you know, not just the
ones every like I said once every year every two
years mega fights. It's hey, remember we're the guys that
put on Canela Crawford.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Let's watch you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I could tell me Maltpus fighter or something like that,
and just get more uh more quantity of the good
fighters that we know, right, and I think that that's
gonna be a that's gonna be a very good option
for boxing going forward.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Top rank, you know, still kind of in the wind.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
I saw a thing online that now, in a way
if I was going to be broadcast live on.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Facebook, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, so I.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Don't know what what Top Break is going to be doing,
but it's here's another thing. People on Instagram at the
very least, we're commenting, okay, so where can I see
this fight?
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Where can I seek about this?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
And that's what happens when you leave ESPN and you
don't have a home, as we've said, so we gotta.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
How about it?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Pick something, dammit, just pick a channel, pick a streaming network.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I don't care, you know, I think that's coming because
what's happening is you have people who are in charge,
that are the adults in the room now, and that
are they're here to make a deal. They're not here
to tell you how great they are or any nonsense
like that. They're here to make a deal, which is
always good. And the guy from UFC, why am I
(38:47):
for not? Why am I offering his name for something?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Way? Yes? Yes, he's here to make a deal.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He's here to make sure we get fights because in
his sport, we get fights, and well we like you'll
see or not, they fight a lot and there's a
lot of big events. So with that being said, it's
a big deal. It makes a lot of sense for
there to be actual fight, you know, it makes sense
to be like, hey, you know what, let's put them
(39:14):
on TV. Let's have somewhere where boxing fans know where
it's gonna be at. So it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well that's pretty much all I had.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
I don't know if there's any final thoughts you got
about this this amazing weekend.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Let's call it an amazing weekend for boxing.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
All yeah, no, I can't wait to see what's the next.
I'm very curious.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I really don't feel that this is like the thing
happened and then everybody just kind of shrokes their soldiers
and I was like, all right, whatever you know for
you now, people are I feel the vibe is excitement
because but the but's the big star right now, he's
got a lot of attention that he hadn't had before.
Fans of his like ours, are excited for other people
(39:56):
to say, wait, this guy was this guy? Yeah, so
I I don't think it wasn't like you know, peek
and then you know the exciting that went down. Hell,
I think it's a good time for Boxing to kind
of write.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
This waves as far as I.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Definitely cool.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I guess maybe call this episode what twenty last episode?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Twenty four?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Is this twenty four point five twenty five? I don't
even know bonus episode, but episode bonus episode? Yeah, okay,
Jamison Breaking people find you on social media.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
On Twitter at the Jamison That's where I'm at most. Oh,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Excellent.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
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