TMCP Ep 26: Is Shakur Stevenson Next?

Jamieson and Luis were back for another fantastic episode. They discussed the following: the viability and future of Overtime Boxing, the passing of UK legend Ricky Hatton, the potential for Pacquiao vs Rolly, Shakur vs Teo and plenty more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
but hailing from the city of Sins. Put your hands
together for Jamison will and in this sending it five
foot ten, weighing in at town and coming to us
from his super secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Put your hands together for Luis Monto.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, welcome back to another edition of the Mix
Scupy Podcast. Of course I'm one of your host, Jameson.
As always, I'm joined by Luis Louis.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's going on, man, Jameson, I am so happy to
be back on the mic.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Typically, you know, we dropped episodes every other Thursday, but
last week we recorded a special bonus show to discuss
our reactions after the Canelo Crawford megafight.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
So go back and check that out if you missed it.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
We do talk a lot about, you know, what the
next thing is going to be for Bud and Canelo
and what they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Do going forward.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
So the episode is still very timely, even though the
fight is now about almost two weeks away.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
But for today's episode, I want to start with a
couple of shoutouts because last Saturday night was actually a
night of some excellent boxing that flew under the radar.
Shout out to Overtime Boxing Jamison. Have you are you
familiar with that platform or overtime sports in general.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Overtime Yes, the platform, yes, not necessarily boxing, but the
platform absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
This is these guys. I've been following them on Instagram
for a while. They promote their boxing showcases live events.
I finally got a chance to actually catch one. It's
broadcast on his own but it's also live streamed on
YouTube for free and ig Live. So if they showcase
up and coming names, they actually their things. They try
to promote more exciting fights with innovative rules, like smaller

(01:40):
rings so there's less room to dance ground. They do
KO bonuses, but the bonuses are higher in the first
and the last rounds, so they sort of say, well,
the fight can start strong and end strong, and there's
actually an overtime round so if the fight is to draw,
they just have the guys going on the round.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
So I want to talk about a couple of fights
that I saw, but I just want to get your
take on these rules.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
You know, they're obviously very different than what we're used to,
and uh, you know, is that something that you think
is innovative for boxing and good or is it like
you're destroying the integrity of the sport.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
So here's the thing. We have to adapt. Like sports,
every sport adapts.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I mean today major League Baseball put in a rule
that you can you can challenge a ball or strike.
Every every sport has some sort of updating, getting with
the times, et cetera, et cetera. I don't dessarily mind it.
You know, shortening the ring is interesting. I remember boxing,
they had this like bear and knuckle boxing a few

(02:37):
years back, where guys wore like very thin gloves. Basically
it was like gloves are best basically cover their knuckles.
So it was there's always been something going on. There's
always been some sort of, you know, version of boxing
that's coming in. I don't necessarily mind it. I like
the kale bonuses. That's interesting, just to make fighting. You know,

(03:00):
I don't mind it a lot. I think that's actually
it doesn't hurt the integratives ofput it that way. I think,
if anything, it adds more intrigue to things. If anything.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Sure, I'm not a purist on a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, I don't think I've ever tried a pizza
with pineapple lot.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
To be honest, I'm not against it.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
If you had one and wanted me to have a slice,
I would, but I wouldn't buy it. But the other things,
you know, I'm cool to try different things, you know,
and to make the sport livelier.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
And here's the thing. I watched four fights that night.
They were all really exciting.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
There were names I hadn't really heard of, but they
were all and most of the fighters were like twenty
fights are less.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like Twitter or less, so you know, not babies.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
But also, you know, it was most importantly it was
in my hometown of Houston, which is awesome, and there
were a bunch of Houston fighters there, and yeah, every
fight very good technical boxing, but also very people were
letting their hands go. You know, nobody was you know,
dilly dialing. They were very aggressive but also very just

(04:04):
just guilt. H There was a women's match, there was
an official WBC title fight. Tiara Brown held on to
her featherweight belt and yeah, you know, it's one of
those where I'm like, I don't know why I haven't
just gotten a chance to sit down and catch one
of these events because they're they're always advertising on Instagram
and you know, I think this was their sixteenth round.

(04:25):
Like I said back by the Zone, the WBC World
Boxing Council is an official partner.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
They sanctioned the new rules. They said they were cool with.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
It, you know, the ring size and the overtime round,
so you know they're they're legit. And I was just
very very impressed with the production quality.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
No dilly dealing between fights sponsored by a.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Very popular national sandwich chain that I won't name unless
they pay us, but you can tell the difference between
overtime sponsored by them and like you know, major fight
sponsored by DraftKings and like whatever movie's coming out.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So but this is exactly what I think boxing means
more of.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Is again those guys, and we've talked about it, those
fighters that are you know it's at ten and oh
fifteen to oh you don't know their names, but there's people.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
To watch, you know. I want.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
What I want is people to be encouraged to tune
into a fight, even it's random people you haven't heard of, Yeah,
and you might become a fan. And here's what I'm
going to tune into the next overtime boxing event for sure.
So this is I think what's good for the sport
is is not everything has to be a mega fight,
you know.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
No, I think there should be more boxing available because
the casual.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
People want to know people, they want to get you know,
they want to follow along, but there's not enough events
to follow along. Then they're not you know, you got
to create the interest. You have to make sure that
guys are active. And I think, especially if you don't
have a name, you know, a name, you can't afford
to be fighting once every eight months. It don't work
that way, because doesn't I think if you look on
any fighters Wikipedia and you look at their boxing by

(06:04):
you look at their whole all their fights in the beginning,
you see how active they were, and it's going for
pretty much any boxer. You go go with Copet, look
at all their fights go from the start to now
or the retirement. They're so active in the beginning it's
unreal and then you see it tape or off for
whatever reason, and it's very fascinating.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
But when you're coming up, you have to make a
name for yourself.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
You have to fight often, you have to fight in
random places, and that's how we know people for sure.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
That's something I kind of think is cool about. You know,
I love Tucson, I do, but it's it's not like
a real city.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know, Houston's a real city and places like that.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So I feel like you just go downtown on a
random Saturday a legit boxing event, which is cool.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I don't miss living in Houston.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
I don't miss living in Texas, but stuff like that,
it's just there needs to be more of it. I
think we lost some of it, and there's some conversations
we can have later about, you know, the thechine of
boxing heaven lost over the years. But one last thing
about that event. For the main for the main fight,
the announcers were like, hey, we got a special guest here.
You know great fighters, you know this guy you know?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I was like, but like Joe from Joe's Mechanic, Like,
who do you have here in this event? It was
Chris Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Like she showed up to guests coveted. Yeah, I was, Yeah,
I was, I was, Actually I was impressed.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was very cynical.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Random guy that you know his three and oh and
one did you get? But no, she showed up and
you know, they talked about his upcoming fight with Tyo.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
They talked a.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Little bit about you know, uh Canola versus Crawford and
and yeah, he just seen me having a good time.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
So you know what, I'm gonna get securiously with some props.
He really loves the sport of boxing. He really puts
on and he really enjoys the sport. Whether you agreer
dis agree about his fighting style or his fight born
or not, whatever, he is a good ambassador for the
sport because he talks boxing and he understand and level

(08:01):
headedness about the sport. He's not a homer. He gives
great analysis of what he says. It's not that says,
oh this person best cause I said so now he
breaks it down. And also he is a likable guy.
I think he can if he cleaned the a little bit,
hen be really likable. But just in general, he's a
likable guy and that goes a long way when you're

(08:23):
trying to gain new fans and make big fights.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
And I wish we had more of those types in
our sport.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, he's he's likable, he loves boxing, he respects the history.
But also say whatever you will about whether he's born.
He's a skilled and talented fighter. You know, there's no question,
like you say that, you know he'd be better if
he were more active or wast's whatever, whatever you want
to say. You cannot tell me that kid is not,
you know, a very very skilled, delead fighter.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
So yeah, so shout out.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
To him also that also, like, here's the thing too,
he has an even approach, which is prime why we're
waiting on him to take the next step become that
ultra guy that is like, you know, king of the castle,
top of the food chain kind of guy. He has
that kind of skill set. Now does they have that
kind of motive? Is they have that kind of mentality?
We're gonna find out sooner or later. But he has

(09:15):
another notch or two we can go or get to,
and I can't wait to see it if if that
comes about.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Absolutely, So shout out to him for giving Houston some
love Overtime Boxing some love for all y'all out there
follow Overtime Boxing. They go by OTX, follow him on
Instagram and on YouTube. So, like I said, I'm definitely
gonna be checking out their next event. So all right,
another shout out goes to the late Ricky Haddon. He
passed away the weekend of the thirteenth when the Canelo
fight was happening.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
We mentioned it the last episode, but we didn't talk
much about it. You know, a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
But British boxer Hall of Famer forty five and three
thirty two of those wins by Ko. So now you
had mentioned I believe actually in our first episode that
his fight against Mayweather was one of the craziest things
you've ever seen, so just really quickly that I think
sort of gets at the heart of what it's like
watching boxing in mixed company. So yes, if you don't

(10:07):
mind repeating the story, Jameson. So this was a two
thousand and seven in Vegas, tell us the vibe of
Mayweather versus happening.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
So this was before this those Stone This was those
seven or eight. I think it may have an eight.
When was that fight?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I thought it's seven, but don't you.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Know, because I want to say he fought it might
have been owait.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think it was a fall the fall oh seven
because you fought Oscar sim going to mile O seven,
So that fight was probably the fall O seven.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Just Nocember eight, December twenty two, seven.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Okay, yep, so uh yeah. So the Brits and all
of UK was here.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
The whole week. They was drinking out bars, they was
they was drinking, drinking and they rolled deep everywhere. They
were in the local bars, they were on the strip.
They made their presence felt. And that was when you
could go to indy establishment and watch the fight. There
was no ten dollar entry fee, twenty fal there was
none of that. This was back in the day. It's

(11:01):
one of the last few ones where you can literally
watch the fight at any establishment. So with that being said,
all the places are gonna be packed, sports books, bars,
et cetera. Well, the place I go to, which is
a sportsbook bar at Red Rock, had people standing oliver
and sitting down. So it was all hell breaks loose.

(11:22):
So as the fight goes on and we know what
happens in that fight, you have drunken brigs that are
upset and the man's getting tagged, and you got us
and others celebrating because we know what bought happened. And
there was a bottle throne at a bartender and a
bartendardity old hospital, and there are people arrested, and it's

(11:44):
all kinds of stuff going on. But that was like
the wildest night I've seen watching boxing. And again that
is the ultien mix company, cause that is for its
first USA. That's white horses, black that your guys getting
beat up and you pay a lot of money to
get here. It's a lot of different things. And yeah,
and it's funny because you had two mixed company mega

(12:05):
fights that same year, which is very fun because Floyd
Oscar was a Ultimate Mixed Company podcast, a mixed company fight,
and yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Very fascinating stuff. You know that fight.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I didn't know how big boxing was in the UK
until that happened.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
I've always heard about it. I know they fought when
we stadium and all that.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I didn't know until he came over here and the
fans invaded Vegs like they did. I never knew until that.
And now at that point, like, oh, this is different.
This is way different.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
So in that establishment you're in, was it like fifty
to fifty Black fans and British fans or what would
you say?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Would you it was like seventy twenty brit first USA,
it was they invaded it and it's a lot you know,
this is on the strip, this is not on the
state line. This was this is a local area where
you know, residents go, and they invaded it, and it
was it was a very interesting place. The cops got involved,
pe would go to the hospital. Was it was nuts.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
It was I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Then I went back and rewatched the fight, you know,
and also the crowd chanting. It's like a football stadium,
you know, those British chances that we all know about.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
It was was there.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Actually Ricky hadn't started off really strong, you know, he
was aggressive, he landed some clean shots. Maybweather was wobbled
in like the first round. So it's very different from
when you see if a fight not really going your
guys's way, and then as it goes on, you're just
like nothing, he can't pull it off.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
He can't pull it off. But I feel like that
the Bible was.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Like got you, Mayweather, got you, your assis grasped. And
then the vibe just kind of went downhill for for
the British fans because yeah, no early on, you know,
there are several rounds that could have gone easily to Ricky,
even for like a casual observer.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
But yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
That's back from floor you used to give away a
couple of rounds at first, just to get the information
downloaded and whatnot, and then he from rounds four on
he would just take over.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
So yep, yeah, that was definitely what what that fight
was like.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
So but you know, shout out to the guy, you know,
shout out and then shout out to his fan base.
You know, they might have been agro assholes, but they're
passionate about the sport. And you know that's that's the
great thing about boxing is you get passionate about your fighter.
And we've said before, there's nothing like it. You know,
I've never ever felt I'm rooting for this NBA team
or this NFL team, and you know, they start losing

(14:27):
that feeling of watching your guy just slowly, you know,
lose on points.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
As the fight goes on.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
It's just it's devastating and it's just man, it's a
I've never experienced anything like it with any other sport.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Correct, So r I p Reriggiy Haddon.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, you know, shout out to British boxing fans and
shout out to the British for the British for drinking
a lot I.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Put it, Luis my guy, they make you look normal.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I went to London a few years ago and they
straight up said like, yeah, we just drink out on
the street.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know, they'll give you to goat cups. Like I asked.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I always asked, like, what's the vibe here? You know,
public drinking. Some places are like, well you're not supposed to,
but you know we kind of could it. The Brits
were just like, man, you walk down the street just
drinking a bottle of whiskey, just chugging that shit. They
are not gonna even nobody's gonna be side.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
They do not here.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
So went to a pub that was so packed and
like it was so overflowed that they were just people
in the alley way, just groups of people hanging out
chatting with their drinks. And they're leaving like empty glasses
on the sidewalk for the bartenders to pick up. I
guess for the for the barbarks to come to get
They don't give a shit, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's a good time. Did not spend as much time
in London as I would have liked. It was less
than a week.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
I wanted to I wanted to relax, so I'd spend
a few days in London just to kind of do
something different and then to spend a week in Dublin,
which is very very chilly.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, the Irish also, you know, also big fans of boxing.
But yeah, shout out to them, you know, shout out
to boxing being the greatest sport in the world. Every
country well has a boxer and every country has a
boxing fans. So this is why we do what we do.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Let's move on to the news. So the boxing world
was buzzing over the return of Manny Pacio in July.
We said that after Manny looked great in that fight,
after it ended in a draw, after he was ranked
the number one con contender in the WBC rankings, that
there's no way he wasn't coming back for another fight.
And you said, our man is probably gonna be back
for two or three more easy, easy, Easy. There's rumors

(16:30):
that he might fight twenty nine year old Roly Romero,
last seen defeating Ryan Garcia in a major upset earlier
this year. What do we think of this particular fight,
his chances, the level of excitement, you know how.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
You feeling, was pat preparing himself and is in shape,
He's gonna be I I don't think Rolly is an
interesting guy because is Roly. You know, ROLLI makes the
fight interesting. But you know, Rolly is a guy. He's
he's not a stop gap because that's not fa. But
he's kind of like a journeyman with some talent. That's
basically I find the best way to describe. At this

(17:04):
point in his career. He'll get in there, he'll make
the fights fun, but we know eventually nine times attention
probably don't lose to an opponent that's better than him.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
That's just how it goes. Pak Yah on the other end,
is interesting because if he fight, if he can look okay,
he's gonna be fighting for a while. I mean, one,
the way the economy is right now, I understand why
somebody is able to get millions. If you can get it,
I understand that that's just how it goes, how you
want to slice it, whether you think it's that good
bad or and different people won't get the bread. But secondly,

(17:34):
he's not disrespecting the sport and we could actually box.
I don't see a problem with it. And as long
as he makes decent fights, he's gonna keep fighting. I
don't see anything to say otherwise. I think we're gonna
keep seeing these and I'm not necessarily opposed to it.
As long as he looks like he did last time,
if not better, I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
I mean I said from the beginning when he was
coming back, and you know, sure might have rolled our
eyes a little bit, but I always said he's fighting
for a title like it is a legit fight. It's
not a show fake little showcase. It's not Pacchio versus
Evander Holyfield for five rounds, you know, in a showcase
for for money. You know, respect to him for that,
you know, definitely maybe not the not the best competition.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Bly is, this is a talented fighter, and I think
he was that win against Ryan Garcia farre and Square.
You know, he did a great job.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I don't think there was any controversy as to that
that decision there. But uh, you know, Manny is you
you said, I won't take your words. You said he
would have smart Roly and I agree one hundred percent.
Manny has the ring IQ. Roly got me by Tank,
who also has excellent ring IQ. I think that was
going to be the the designing factor. I think Tank

(18:50):
beat Roley, Roley beat Garcia, who has lower ring.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I Q than most people.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Both I think I think learned from his loss to
take right.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Right and quiet Kevin, Well, you brought that one up.
That wasn't a bad fight by ROI. Roly was actually
in that fight more than people want to admit. Like
Roly didn't fight a bad fight first take. He just
you know, got we got we walked into one. But
he wasn't fighting a bad fight at all.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
No, And I'm glad he said that.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
And that's something that I think we get caught up
in general. We're talking about this guy one decisively. You know,
we talked about Canella Crawford. We kept we kept talking
about Bud's win and how great he looked. And last
episode you said, it's not like Annello embarrassed himself. You know,
he lost, and that's okay. We kind of lose sight
of that. We always say, like this guy wanted we
just kind of, you know, right off the loser and
we just kind of treat him like he slept the

(19:43):
walk into the ring. But that's not the case. You know,
Yeah's Roly's talented. He just he met a guy that
was better than him. And that's okay.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You know shit happens.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
The question is is he going to prepare for for
many his skills.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
You know, we saw him, he looked good.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
He did not look like prime Manny twenty years ago,
but then again, nobody did two years ago. Sou But yeah,
I mean, man, my man is gonna be his forty six,
maybe gonna be forty seven soon. So is it Can
he keep up with a twenty.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Nine year old Rolye Romero? That's kind of the question.
I don't know that we have an answer, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
It's a it's a good question. It's more about out
smarting him, because you're not going to keep up with
him active activity wise, that's not.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
Gonna happen, but out smarting him is probably the best bet.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Those are the things where you got to hope that
he outsmarts him, and that's the interesting thing about that. However,
what I will say is this, if patia I was
training at a good level and stays healthy, that means
he's serious. He's not here just for the money. He's
actually taking the craft seriously, and I can respect that.

(20:47):
If he does that role, he's in trouble. Roy's gonna
have to fight the best fight he's ever fought, and
I don't know if he has that in him at
this point.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, I mean I would have preferred a Tanker, a
Tail Lopez, Tailpim Lopez as competition. There definitely guy who
have a lot more better on their feet and definitely
probably could you know, tie around an old man many
because time time is no joke, no matter what, no
matter how good you are.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
So a Tank Pack y'all fight does big numbers.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I don't think it does a football stadium, but it
definitely sells out wherever it's at. It would do big numbers.
I think Tank would you know, he would hurt Pack y'all,
but it would be big big, It would do big
numbers just based off of name and everything going on. However,
I'm glad you brought take. I know you've seen the
shenanigans with this fight. He's coming up with it. Don't

(21:36):
like guys in the boxing much longer, like a guy
that's kind of over it. And if that's the case,
if this is what we've seen outside this fight that's
coming up, he's at a hell of our career and
if he wants called quits, god bless him. But it
feels like a guy that is kind of like, I'm
done with this. I would I don't since a guy
say I'm ready to fight in twenty six. It gives

(21:58):
me the vibes of, hey know what, I was in
boxing for all these years, I'm not filling no more.
I'm going o my own way. If he wants them that,
then God bless him. But I'm getting those vibes.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
I said it on the show, you know, I said
that I think Tank's gonna dip after this fight with
what's his name, I don't know, I'll look it up later.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
So there was I said, you know, he's not. He
didn't lose that much. Cashet.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Sure, you know, the the fight against the lot Roach
kind of exposed some weaknesses, but the interest in a
rematch was there. The interest in rematch was only there
because there was no interest in the first one. The
man could have still thought, you know, a couple of
elite opponents and still made maybe not as much money,
but you know, he wouldn't have gone home with pennies.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I do think that he's doing this as the last hurrah.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
And yeah, based on you know, his attitude of press conferences,
just the way he's saying he doesn't take it seriously.
I think he said like literally asked like, when's the
fight again? And I thought, I don't think he was joking.
I don't think he was either. I think he's here
for the He's here for the money. And when you
everyone has a price. Everyone has a price. We've seen

(23:05):
it in sports, We've seen it in everything. Everyone has
a price. I don't know how much he's making.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I've seen a bunch of un confirmed reports, but he's
making anywhere more than fifty million dollars. And if he
has financial people around him that can make that fit
the last for a lifetime. I can't be mad at
him as a person as a boxing fantom cond disappointed,
but that's just as a fan, as a person that's
someone gonna give you fifty plus or one hundred million dollars,

(23:33):
then hey, do what you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Well for my part, you know, I already said what
what I think of Tank Davis is that he has
dead to me. I said it before that if he
took this fight with the Paul clown like I'm out,
my man. You know that is disrespectful to your legacy,
that's disrespectful to the sport, and so I hope you
I I you know, enjoy, enjoy your cash and then
we'll see you in.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Fifteen years when you broke like Matti Peck.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, what is he What is his life legacy if
he retires after this, what is his boxing legacy?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I think I think legacy? How about this legacy is
bottom heavy? Like the way you go out? People just
people have recent spies. They're gonna remember what they last
saw you, you know, They're they're gonna see him as
as a guy who should have lost that roach fight.
They're gonna see him as a guy who fought an

(24:25):
unseerious fake boxer want to be boxer.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Sorry, And I think that's what people are gonna remember,
you know. And also Tank.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
You know, he's one of the faces of the sport intea,
but he's not a big name like Canelos, like Mayweather was.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Uh, we are gonna remember, you know, the best the
best of times.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
But I think I think he's gonna walk out of
here just kind of with his tail between his legs
and in the way.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Sorry, people are gonna see him as walking out.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Of the sport with his tail between his legs. My opinion, Yeah,
I think if he if he's because he said he
was going to retire. I think he said the beginning
of this year, end of less year that he was
retiring soon. I think if he regardless of that first
Broach fight, you know, things happen.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
You know, I'm not going to hold that that draw
or that should have been lost against him, if that's
what you think. I won't. But you got to take
that damn rematch. You know, you have to.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Show up for the rematch and you have to fight one,
if not two more big names, you know, a tail
like an elite name, uh and walk out, you know,
with your head held hike damn it. You know, I
think this is really gonna gonna just kind of hurt
the the image of what Tank Davis was in.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
People's eyes in my opinion. Fair enough, Yeah, I didn't
want it to be this way, Jamison.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
And no, it's me. Hey, we're all in the same boat, man.
We wanted we wanted to see the thing about Boston
that makes it so dope because we've seen a lot
of these careers from when they were final undercard before
we heard them as like we heard them from somebody
else that they are underground and their up and comers
and all this to see them rise.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
That's the beautiful thing about boxing. So all the great
fires that.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
We've seen over the last twenty five years, I remember
them coming up on undercards. I remember hearing about them.
I remember hearing about Budd Crawford. I remember hearing about
Canel Alvarez. I remember hearing about all these guys. I
remember hearing about even It got to the point where
if you were on Golden Boy, if you're under that umbrella,

(26:31):
we saw you on all the undercards. That's just what
it was. They were actually one of the smartest motion
compis because they had all their up and comers fight
on the big dog cars, and that's how we got
to know them. But even even back before social media
got big, we heard people through the paper, through word
of mouth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And that

(26:52):
is something where it is tough because this is not
like that no more.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, and back to Canelo and his you know, he
lost to Beval, he lost to Terrence Crawford, both in
very very clear fashion. But also you know, he he
wasn't sleepwalking.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
You know, sure, maybe some of the competition was an elite,
but you know, he's had his cachet look good. I
don't think that if Canelo ends up dipping after twenty
twenty six and his Riaz's advice that he it's going
to be the same thing for Tank. I mean, yeah,
he's gonna get clown for not taking the Bevo rematch,
and you know, get clown for not fighting Benavidez, which
but again, I I've always said that shouldn't have even

(27:29):
been a consideration for him because he is a little
guy that got beefy. I'll always go back to that.
And it's not even a matter of skill set. It's
a matter of you know, the kind of dude. You know,
if you're a little guy, it's always going to be
trouble fighting a big guy. David Benavidez is a big
guy period, So I think it's more, you know, comparing

(27:49):
that to Tank Davis. It's just the way it's, God
damn it. You saw the picture, like my man is
five five and you know, calls like they say six
to one.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I think it's five eleven. But you know, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Is like people don't understand they're looking at the height
and size and everything. If Tank hits that guy with
a real left hook. This whole shit is over, This
whole strade is over. All right, and you've boxed, you've
been in the ring. I've talked with enough boxers and
people in boxing the height and size and none of
that shit matters. If you get hit like the way
he hits, if you get hit with well, you know what.

(28:23):
Tank has power both hands. So the left foock is
always good to me. I like his lefvel, but just
in general, if Tank gets into one of them, it's over.
This whole shit is over.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
I don't think that's gonna happen because I think this
is the whole thing is weird. But whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
But yeah, it's a.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
Sham, like I hate. Yeah, it's a sham.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's really a sham.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I'm not gonna go full on and say, you know
the fight is scripted or fixed or whatever. I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna say that. What I will say
is that I think if you.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Buy the ticket, ride the right, if you know you're
on a Jake.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Paul fight, and you know that you're gonna make somebody,
you know what side your bread is butter duck, and
I don't think you're gonna you know, I don't think
people are it's it is a smart business decision not
to embarrass that man on his own, you know, on
his territory.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's his turf.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So that's kind of what I see it.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
And you can say that like, well whatever, so legitifight
it's not fixed, that's fine, But there is something to
be said about what what we're really acting for here.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And and here's another thing that pisses me off.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
You we know that Tanke said is all about the money,
but you know how he's made a lot of money
becoming an amazing elite fighter, like he put.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
In the you want to see, you can make making
money in boxing is what it is. Becoming a draw
is a totally different conversation. He's one of the rare
guys that became a draw in this era that is
very difficult to do. Now. With that being said, he's
only been able to sell out black cities Baltimore, Atlanta, DC,

(29:54):
you know, so he's his market is better in those
places than others. However, with all that being said, he
is a huge drawing. People have paid pay per view
prices to watch him fight. Hell the last fight, well
one of the fights he had. Uh it was the
Spring of twenty three. I believe we bought it. It

(30:17):
was a fight that we bought on pay per views.
So those are the things where it's like, hey man,
that ain't for everybody. Not everybody gets eight dollars out
of beat. It just don't.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
So those are things that we can He's taken for
granted and it's very unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah that that uh Spring of Tony three fight was
Brian Garcia.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Actually there you go that yep, yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
And the only reason I bought it is I had
people over and we had the playoffs at the same time,
and there was a lot going on. So I just said,
figuring out out us buy the fight, and we were
watching it and it was like, dang, Tank is now
that guy where you get people buying pay per views.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
It's very hard to do. Up until then, it was
really just Canelo.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Being the main eye that people readily bought pay per
views when he thought.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
So.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I always mentioned the neighborhood sports bar here in Tucson
where I go to watch fights. There's actually two locations.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
There's one in the ghetto, which I say livingly, and
one downtown, which is more of a club feel like
it's you know, it's it's upscale. I actually went to
see the Tank and Garcia fight at the Downtown One
for the first time. I hadn't done that, and it
was fact and there was actually a lot of Tank fan. Sure,
we're in Tucson, a lot of Mexicans here, so you know,
the crowd reaction for Ryan Garcia was definitely, you know,

(31:32):
higher louder, but there were a lot of.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
People cheering for Tank.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
And then the great thing about it is when Tank
not Ryan down, there was no booing, There was no like,
you know, like fuck you or any of that.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Everybody was just stoked.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Like everybody was just blown away by you know what
just happened. People were like clapping and cheering, like banging
the bar kind of a thing. It was just the
excitement of the fight took over and it wasn't like,
oh my guys down, It's just like.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Oh shit, that was so so exciting.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
But yeah, so so that was That was a great
night too. That was that was a fantastic time watching
that fight out out in Mixed company. And yeah, there
was a guy with a Tech Davis T shirt and
I was like, they sell take Davis T shirts.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
I want one. Oh yep, cool well man.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
All right, another bit of news here that I want
to mention. You know, after Terrence Budd Crawford defeated Canil
Alvarez at one hundred and sixty eight pounds, I think
the day after something like that, Saudi promoter Turkey Ella
Shake wondered on Twitter if David Benavidez could still make
one sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
We remember that he went up to.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
About one seventy five and was targeting the area. Benavidez
straight up said, now, man, I'm good, he said, led
Bud Crawford, you know, take one sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's his, that's his, that's his weight class. Now he dominates.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
I want to focus on seventy five light heavyweight or
even cruiserweight or go higher.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
What did I say? Benavide is a big guy. That's
probably where he's best suited. I don't know. I mean,
do you think this is a smart thing? I mean,
here here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
I don't I no shout out to Turkey Ella Shake,
because that man said, uh, during the Archer Better Biev
and Dimitri Bieble fight, he said, yeah, let's do Benavidez
with the winner of this one. Why not all hay Man,
you know, let's all get together and do this. He
said that into a microphone in front of a damn camera.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I heard it.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
And then remember his job was making fights.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
He don't He's just trying to whatever the biggest money
thing that can be done.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
He's trying to do yes.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
But then after the fight, hr after the fight, he said,
now we're good. I'm not that interested in Benavitez versus
p BO, like you just.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Live an issue though, did an issue? Because sir, now
everybody is talking to Turkey like that. There's been a
handful of guys that aren't really interested in doing business
with him forever. Reasons. They have everybody's reasons. They're different.
I'm not one to say someone's right or wrong. That's
that's above my pay. I think there's a few boxers
that have been like, you know what, I'm cool, I'm good.

(34:02):
So I understand that. And everybody has their own way
of doing things, because if you take that money, you
gotta do whatever they say. You can't do things in
your own time. You can't move up me to your
own drum. You gotta follow the rules. You gotta do
what they say, if you got to promote the fight
a certain ways, then shit, you gotta do that. If
they have you fight in Saudi Arabia, then shit, you
gotta hop on that plane and fight in Saudi Arabia.

(34:23):
That's just how it is. There's no way of getting
around it. And not everybody is with that. Most people
are because the money is big, but everybody is, Yeah,
that's fair.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I'm you know, I whatever the reasons for, you know,
the fight happening or not happening, you know. I think
I think Turkey Elishak was also ducking a Better Be
just fight for different reasons, for financial reasons whatever, looking
for bigger money and maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
A Better Be a People trilogy. But that's either here
nor there.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
I think, you know, the question is, you know, is
we've been talking about poor Benavide, is you know, not
really getting the respect he deserves. I think I think
he made the right choice. I think he said him
saying that he's not gonna go back down to fight.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
But I think that's good.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I think he should stick to the plan, be the
bigger guy, you know, sharpen his skills against other you know,
large beefy dudes.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
He wants to fight people. He wants to fight mirrors.
He's fighting Anthony Yarde Yarda in November. So I think
it's good for him, you know.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Uh, I feel like I that man, I think is
gonna be a star just by fear, sheer, force of will,
because you know, he's been grinding, he's been not getting
a shot. The Ring magazine just put him on the
cover just like yesterday. You saw that on Instagram. So
I feel like that man is just gonna just gonna
get in your face and say you will respect me, damnit.

(35:42):
And I hope that the fan base really does really
really does it, because he is a talented fighter who
just kind of has been He's been uh he's been
written off or not not written off, he just hasn't.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Been given the respect he deserves, I think as a fighter.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
So yeah, but uh, you know Pride of Pride of
Phoenix boxing, uh, David Benavida, So you know, I'm a fan.
I remember when when we saw I went to see
Canelo versus Williams Skull at the Neighborhood. I mentioned that
Turkiella Chick brought him in Crawford in the ring to
face off.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I was stoked. Guy next to me. He says, like,
who you think is gonna win? I said, honestly, I
don't know. I'm going back and forth.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
He's like, I'm going.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Crawford, Man, I hate Canelo. I'm Crawford and Bud and
Benavitez are my.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Guys I hate.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I was like, all right, you know, I wasn't mad
at that, you know, so I kind of hope that
no disrespect to to Canelo and his legacy, but you
know his he said, he's.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
On his way out.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
You know, he's not the guy anymore. I think the
next big name in Mexican boxing should be David Benavidez,
and I think the fans should show up for him.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I like to do for for my boy Canelo.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
That's just my my take on it. So anyway, and
just another quick note, I don't have a lot.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
To say on this right now because it is a
ways away, but Shaker Stevenson and Tailfei malpees Uh period
to be fighting in January of twenty twenty six, as
Sugar actually brought it up when he was a guest
commentator over the weekend in Overtime Boxing. So h yeah,
all I really want to say is like vitally, an exciting,
you know, an exciting matchup between these guys at that level.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know, people just get.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Take a retangle. Man, you only offer the contract so
many times. You're going to go back and forth so
many times. I think it's gonna be held in the York.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
I think, I.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Think I didn't hear either way, I wouldn't known.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
Okay, okay, got it.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I want to say it's gonna be New York because
there I know Stevenson's from New Jersey. He's out there
most of the time. But wherever it's at a long
we get it, and we get it. That's gonna be
another mixed company pot, another mixed company fight. Interesting fight,
very interesting. That's basically the one that's gonna separate who's
who because both guys have big brands and big names,

(37:52):
and you know, that's a very fun fight. So yeah,
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I mean tales from Brooklyn, we're from you. I
think he's from Brooklyn. So his and his.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
People, his folks come out, you know New York Puerto Ricans,
you know, they came out, and so people from Jersey
coming out for Sikor.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's not a it's not a long way to travel.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
So I think that's gonna be even if there's not
a lot of people that know these two guys super well,
I think the hype is going to be as we
get closer, I think it's gonna get some more eyeballs
on it. I think just the excitement for the fight.
This is me my prediction, you.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Know, whatever, for months away or whatever where we're at,
I think that fight is going to get a lot
of buzz.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
And if you put that fight in Brooklyn or in
the Garden, it does numbers.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
It's a huge buzz. It's in January, which is perfect.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah. I like it a lot. I like a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, I'm very excited about it. And you know, let's
just hope that that's a good way to start twenty
twenty six when it comes to the boxing game.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So yep, all.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Right, let's move on to our recurring segment called pop Pugilism,
where we discuss a movie, TV show.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Or documentary about boxing.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Today, we're gonna we're gonna go a little loose with it. Admittedly,
we're talking about a movie that is not about boxing,
but the sport features very heavily in the plot. I
It was my idea, just because I thought it'd be
fun to talk about it. And I have a lot
to say about, you know, boxing in the nineties. But
we were talking about Snake Eyes from nineteen ninety eight,
directed by Brandon Palmer.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I got a DVD. I have the four K U H.
D Jamison shows.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Some respect problems.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
But then your deaf DVD? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (39:26):
WI four K from Keno Larbert just released recently. So
I actually I saw this movie when I was a kid.
I didn't remember much about it or even if I
liked it or not. I remember boxing was involved, and
I figured once I once I gave the Discus spin,
I was like, hey what. I also was like, well,
it's on sale. You know, even if it's not that
great whatever, I support physical media. It's gonna look good.

(39:47):
I have a giant TV.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
You forced me to watch a Nick Kge movie. All right, man,
it is what it is, you know, it is what
it is. I'm not gonna hold it against you, but nah,
it was so.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Boxing has been a part of of a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Of movies, coming back to think of it, even the
first Oceans eleven, like you know what I mean? Like
so when I'm watching that's what it kind of felt like.
I gave those kind of vibes away. So, you know,
that's a boxing in the ninety So we were both
young in the nineties obviously, but boxing in the nineties.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Was way different the vibe.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
We didn't have social media, which was probably a good
thing because it feels like with social media, boxing and
everything has lost of us luster. It just doesn't feel
the same because people are there, people were around the city,
et cetera, et cetera. When all we had was newspapers
and local news and sports in there and whatnot, it

(40:43):
felt like a huge event because you didn't know all
this stuff. You didn't know anything. We didn't have access
to all these people who would be there. We didn't
have TikTok that would have all these people going to fight.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
We didn't have any of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
So the invent was so much more because you had
to pay attention to it. There was no other way
of finding out regarding it. So, yeah, it was it
was interesting.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, I you know, except this movie came out an idea.
You and I were the same age. We were both
born in eighty six, and back then, you know, watching
this movie as a kid, it didn't even like strike me.
It didn't even phase me that this entire movie took
place during a boxing match in a boxing arena.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Nowadays, I'm like, that wouldn't happen.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
It's a crime thriller, an assassination occurs the night of
a boxing match of secretary of defense. I don't see,
you know, a movie these days, having a talkie talk thriller,
you know, crime flitter, or any or an action movie
involving boxing at all these days, if there's a movie
around boxing, it's about a fighter.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
You know.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
It really made me feel just like how everybody knew
about boxing, about fights, and this might be me as
a kid, you know, misjudging it. That's just kind of
how I felt, you know. I we also grew up
very differently from Mexican family. I can't tell you when
I learned what the super Bowl was.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Honestly, I got you.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, but we I always knew, you know that mega
fights happened, you know that Hunosis and then.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Alio was fighting, like that was just a part of
my jelhen.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Oh, but it go ahead ahead, I don't want to
cut you off, my bad.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
No, No, I was just gonna say that, Like, you know,
this really harkened back to a time that it.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Watching the movie kind.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Of made me realize just how differently my brain works
now with boxing, and how differently like the world sees
that the country sees it.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Help the fight was in Atlantic City, like was the
last time that there was a mega fight in Atlantic City?

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because back then, back
in the eighties and early nineties, that was a spot
because you know, Trump owned them hotels and he had
a lot of fights there.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Tyson fought there a lot, you know, all.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
People from New York and Philly and all that would
always drive over there, so it was a thing. However,
those properties kind of went belly up and all the
fights kind of came out this way.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
And that's just how it went.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
But now it was a being in the eighties.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
For sure, There's a lot of fights out there in
the eighties and early nineties, but once Vegas took over,
it is what it was, what it was.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, that was one of those things that I knew
but forgot when they said, you know, oh, and the
fight in the movie is between a black guy and
a Mexican guy not for nothing, you know, very much
a mixed company fight. And when they said you know
it takes place in Atlantic City, like my mind was blown.
I was like, oh, right, that used to be the spot,
but it's been so long that it just it was
It was really it was kind of like it was

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like stepping back into time machine.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Another thing too, that is very prominent in the movie
is the sport is straight up portrayed as corrupt.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
You know, guys paid to take a dive. It's part
of the assassination plot.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
We know boxing well, you know, it's one of them,
always been one of the most corrupt sports in the world.
But I'm curious your take on at that time in
the nineties, was that the kind of vibe the people
the general public had that they see it as kind
of a thirty money sport or is that something that
kind of came later.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Absolutely, No, It's always been there because there's always controversial
decisions that took took place, just like it does now.
It's even the big fight that we just had, Like
you can argue that some of the scorecards for a while,
Like that's just it's always been like that. It's never
gonna change for a variety of reasons. But yeah, back
then though, we only had a couple of media people.

(44:23):
So if the three people covering the fight all said
the same thing, then that's what it was. If all
three people said, hey, something's not right, then we just
took it for that and moved on. Now you've got
thousands of people with articles, podcasts, newspapers, et cetera, having
different type of opinions about what took place, so you're
not also keyed in on this conspiracy. But back in

(44:47):
the day, when you had a main write for your newspaper,
maybe a main local newsperson, and then like an ESPN,
CNN Sports or Fox Sports covering it, then yeah you're
gonna get You get five opinions and they're all file
the same with them.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
That's just what it was.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
That's fair. Yeah, I mean again, I keep going back
to it, like stepping in a time machine. Yeah, just it.
It is so cool.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
You know in the movie, the Secretary of Defense is
at the fight, and I was like, that would make
sense for the nineties like that. I wouldn't have been
a night if I went literally got into time machine
and went back and they're saying like, oh, all these
government officials, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
At a major fight that would be weird at all.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
What was interesting, what made me think of was Canello
Cruft fight was on Netflix and there was a ton
of celebrities there, tons of celebrities.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
But part of me was.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Also like, hey are you there because you have a
Netflix show and you got in you know, so.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
That fight was interesting. They gave a lot of credentials
away and that was a lot of people, a lot
of cleve because when you got a stadium that can
fit seventy thousand, you can air more fifteen hundred.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
Seats for celebs and famous people.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
It's a lot to do it in a seventy thousands
stadium than a twenty thousand seas stadium. So way either, so,
anyone that had ties to not just Netflix, but eive
you had a podcast or a movie, if you were
any con celebrity, they can't. They brought you out around
Wednesday or Thursday. You kind of did their radio row
and then you went to the fight.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
I wonder how many of those folks there actually really
really follow boxing or care about it. And I'm not
trying to get keep this sport or anything or gate
key fandom, not like you're not a real fan.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I'm just generally saying, like, this is a major event,
something cool.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
You're on TV. You know, you got probably got set
up by the by the promotional company.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But you know, how much were you really really invested
in the fight?

Speaker 6 (46:45):
It was more than a fight.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
It was one of the few boxing events that actually
became more than boxing. It is the Oh, this is
a regular event. This is not a boxing match. This
is a regular current event. So you get all the
type of people who are there for different reasons, not
necessarily boxing fans. Hell, there's people who've probably only seen
to Terrence Crawford fights there, you know what I mean.

(47:09):
I just be honest with you.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
A lot of people haven't outside of the Spence fight,
a lot of people who haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Bud fight a lot of fights, not like us, Like
I've seen Bud fight twenty to thirty fights at minimum.
So it's one of those things where we are different
because we love boxing. Most people are there get their
picture taken to get a free room, free tickets to
the fight, and enjoy Vegas for a weekend.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, and I'm sure that there's a lot of people
to do that. For other things.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
I mean, I don't know if celebrity can get into
like a Taylor social, let's say in Vegas or New York,
you know.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
For the whole same thing, super Bowl, same thing, Final Four,
same thing.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
This is how it goes like. And again, this fight
was different. This was not a regular boxing match, This
was a this was an event. This was a first
boxing match inellegiate stadium. This was a different event. And
I can't I don't think it will happen, but I'm
not opposed to a rematch if they decided to do

(48:06):
it again.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
I don't think it's going to happen, but what not
mind them running it back.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I The more time we spend away from the fight,
the more I also think it will not happen.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I was on the record last episode saying I really
really wanted it, but I'm kind of just had to
getting myself into the mindset of well that's probably You're
probably enjoyed the moment for what it was, and won't we.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Won't have it again.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
But but yeah, you know, getting back to the movie
was super cool.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I think to see.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
The whole story take place around something that I love.
You know, it took place around, and I'm sure it's like,
you know, I don't know if there's a movie around,
you know, an action movie takes place a comic con.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You know, there's a lot of people that are gonna
be like, yeah, this is my life, this is what
I love, this kind of thing. So it's always nice
to see your your interest represented.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
And something that literally didn't have anything didn't have to
be at a boxing batch. You know, this story, Like
I said, assassination plot, conspiracy, political intrigue have been anywhere.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
No, Yeah, big boxing nights were different because also I
got a member. Not everybody have the funds for pay
per view back in the day, either spending fifty bucks
for a pay per V fight back in the nineties,
that was. That was for everybody. That was not for
nah nah man. That was you had to have whoever

(49:22):
had the fight either had a legal cable or them
people have money somehow some way. It wasn't no, ay,
let's get this. So the idea of a fight weekend
in Vegas was very intriguing. It was really cool because
all of us always heard that Vegas on the fight
weekend is nothing better. It's the weekend. Everything's cool. Everybody's

(49:42):
out there having fun, the fight, the apt everything. So
just with that being said, there's an image in your
head that, ay, we gotta be there, we gotta be there.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
Everybody has that image. So yeah, no, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
All.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, that reminds you. One funny thing that happened. The
details don't matter, but you know, Carla Gugino.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Was supposed to drop off some secret documents to the
Secretary of Defense and they were communicating in secret, and
she said, oh, the tickery Defense told me to just
bring the documents to the fight.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
And I was like, so I told you to just
spend what six nine.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Hundred dollars six eight hundred dollars to bring the documents,
Like you can't.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Just do that?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Be me in the parking lot, Like, yeah, Carla Gugino's
dropped almost a thousand bucks to meet me at this fight.
That was one of those things around like, knowing what
we know about boxing, I was gonna ignore that. But
but that's you know, I'm sure there's a lot of
a lot of movies that are about baseball, that are
about football that real you know, big fans that know,

(50:41):
they just know, they're just kind of totally ridiculous and unrealistic.
But anyway, yeah, I mean, you know, we're not really
talking much about the movie itself, but whatever, you know,
it's I think, like I said, it'd make a fun
conversation about boxing in its heyday and you know a
time that it's never going to be like that again.
And I hate, I hate to be the old man
of you know, back in my day. They don't make

(51:04):
them like they used to. But literally, literally the sport
is not like.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
It was in so many ways went from when we
were kids.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
They can get there, though they can, I don't know
if it will, it can get there. The reason why
I say that is we have a lot of boxers,
We have a lot of actual boxers, but we got
to get to knowing who they are. We have to
actually market them, and they gotta fight way more than
they have been over the.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
Last ten fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
We can get back. Then.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
We have a lot of fighters that are popular and famous.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
But you can't fight once every thirteen months, talking about
oh I want ten million dollars for no, no, no, we.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Can't fight once every thirteen months and need more access. Again,
We're still still sitting here twiddling our damn thumbs figure
out where.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Top rank is going to be. You know, now, yeah,
in a way fight that they had a couple of
weekends go. You know that one was in the middle
of the night because it was in Tokyo. So I've
caught up on it on YouTube anyway, which is fine,
Like that's the fight that I wouldn't have been able
to watch unless I stayed up till three thirty.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
In the morning, four in the morning, whatever. But what
about the Saturday night fights? Are that going to be
live on YouTube?

Speaker 3 (52:17):
We need Saturday night fights, we need Honestly, I've been
harping this for a long time. And this is from
somebody used to work in box that told me he
was like, every summer that goes by, where they don't
flood the TV with boxing because they wasted summer. He
was like, summer is the downtime of all sports. There's
a lot of TV windows open. They should be flooding

(52:37):
every weekend with boxing. UFC does it. UFC has so
many events over the summer. And I'm not a UFC guy.
I don't hate it. It's just not for me like that.
But I appreciate what they do, Like they put their
bodys on along. They do what they do, they get it. Boxing,
for whatever reason, still have a hard time understanding what

(52:58):
makes sense until that out.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
We're gonna keep all stuff on our TOBE.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Sure, well, at least we'll have movies like Snake Gyes
that will bring you know, that that nostalgia back. And
you know, we're talking about the commentators that were that
they had back then. One of them is the amazing
Al Bernstein, who was a guest on our show a
couple of episodes back.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, so could check out episode twenty four to listen
to that and amazing interview.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
We were also discussing the Canilla Crawford, but he talked
a lot about the state of boxing today in the
future of it, so that one is.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Also very timely.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Awesome guy, awesome interview, A just a legend, so we
were lucky to have him. Yeah, you know, Snake Guys
directed by Briandon to Palmer, one of the greats. If
somebody wants to call him the goat, you know, I
might not argue. There's a lot of great movies.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, how would you rate this film out of four gloves? Jamison?

Speaker 6 (53:50):
It was like a two point seven five.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
No, I was, I was thinking two point five, but
you know, just so I don't have to just the
graphics on the scores, I'm gonna go two points of
five as well. No, it was fun. I you know what,
I guess said. I didn't remember a lot about it.
I don't remember if I liked it or not. I
feel like I I appreciated more than.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I did as a kid for a lot of reasons.
You know.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Definitely, it's it's one of those flicks that, like, I
think it. It's not Brian DePalma's best by any means,
but it holds up, holds the test of time. If
it's on sale from Keno Larber Classics, you could pick
up the four K or the Blu Ray. I'm a
physical media guy, so if you watch us on YouTube,
you'll see the beautiful artwork on this right.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So yeah, shout out to uh to Brian de Palma,
one of the great. So everybody, thanks for listening.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Jamison.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
On Twitter? Atterew Jamison. Yeah, be on there for next
Fight Night in October, I think, and then we will
go from there.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, absolutely October.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Boots is coming back in October and David Benavidez in November,
so you know, pretty pretty good year for boxing.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Latter half.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
I think I think it's picking up after the summer,
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