TMCP Ep 29: Can Lamont Roach Fill the Void Left By Tank

Luis and Jamieson are back to discuss all of the latest news and events from the boxing world, both inside and outside of the ring. The main topic of today's conversation was about Tank Davis continuing to spiral and whether Lamont Roach can step into the void. They also discussed Mikaela Mayer’s latest fight and broadcasts on Tubi and other platforms.

This week's Pop Pugilism segment featured the film: Facing Ali (2009) dir. Pete McCormack

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
but hailing from the city of Scenes. Put your hands
together for Jamison will And in this corner, then in
at five foot ten, weighing in at pound and coming
to us from his super secret bunker with no ac
in Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Put your hands together for Luis Montemoo.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, welcoming back to an audition of the Bets
Company podcast. Of course I'm one of the hosts, Jameson Wells,
and of course I'm joined by Louise. Louise spend a
couple of weeks. What's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, a lot has been happening in the boxing world.
But yeah, I'm really happy to be back on the mic.
A little bummed out that Spooky season is over now
we're in Thanksgiving season. But that's fine. I'm gonna keep
the horror movies going all year long. And now I'm
gonna prep to stuff my fat face with a bunch
of turkey and mashed potatoes and everything.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
So fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's not that you know what. I
don't like Ristmas. Honestly, I like Halloween, Thanksgiving air, but
the Christmas music. I'm just sick of it. It's the
same damn songs and I kind of hate it. So
I've grown to hate it so much. I don't know
about you, Ah, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I don't take much to it. Why, I don't even
be thinking about it. It comes and goes, so I
don't pay no mind too. I was, you know, but
the holidays, it's one of those things where it comes,
it goes, and we just keep keeping moving.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's fair. That's fair. I mean it's easier for us
because we don't have kids, so we don't have to
worry about all right, So let's get into the news man,
let's talk about what's been going on. It's our sip
recurring segment the Boxing Gazette, the finest source in boxing news,
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(01:49):
So yeah, the biggest thing that we got to talk
about is actually, let me start here. We got to
do a quick promo because last week, as you know,
you weren't able to participate, but the show was invited
to the Tucson Celtic Festival to do a remote episode.
So our producer Jabrian Davis and I we went out
there to the fest were recorded actually a fifteen minute
mini episode that's available on YouTube right now. And it

(02:11):
was a hell a lot of fun. We had a
good time, okay, so I will give y'all it was great.
So the fest was you know Scottish Scottish heritage fest.
You know, it had some people throwing logs and like
hay bails. There was like food, there was drinks, so
you know, as music, it was really good people playing there,

(02:32):
like playing in a band with like guitars and drums
and also bagpipes you know, mixed into the to the
style of music. So it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Okay, okay, cool, cool, good to hear.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Let's let's check out this quick little reel for for
everybodies to give a preview of the of that episode.
The show invited us to do a special remote episode
at the Tucson Celtic Festival. Hege Borie Davis here, a
producer for the Mixed Company podcast. His reason the show exists.

(03:06):
So we're gonna ask him a little bit about his
history with boxing and where his love of it came from.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
And then as the fight's wrapping up, I'm like, hey,
it's probably time to go. And everybody made it home safe,
feel safe?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Do that here?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's not always the case, hints the Mixed Company podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Hey, apologies, I said Scott a heritage. I meant Celtic
heritage to encompass you know, a lot of that region.
But but yeah, you know, we have all these episodes
are up on YouTube. We have a playlist under the
nineteen Media group channel. Uh and that Celtic Festival video
is exclusively on YouTube, so please go check that out.

(03:45):
I edited the video myself, interviewed our producer about his
you know, not just where his love of boxing came from,
but how the show started, where the idea came from.
So it was it was a good time, cool, cool,
good here, good here.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
So off, let's jump into the official boxing news. So,
the biggest thing that happened very recently is that the
Paul versus Tank Davis fight was officially canceled due to
Tank Davis getting into more legal trouble after he allegedly
put his hands on another woman, choked the woman allegedly
in a strip club, and he has a restraining order

(04:23):
filed against them, and there is a civil lawsuit. No
criminal charges, it appears, but he is being sued in
the civil court. And that was enough for you know,
the Paul team, the MVP team to call the entire
fight off. You know, this man just cannot stop putting
his hands on women. It's just it's it's a sickness
that seems like. And you know, I wasn't excited about this,

(04:46):
this Paul fight anyway, but I think this ses to show.
We talked in a previous episode about Tank Davis's legacy
and this is just gonna this is just gonna sour
the end of his career even more. So, what are
your thoughts on all this?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
So I don't even know, be honest with you, what
his career is anymore. I don't because yeah, he was
a great boxer and he knocked guys out. But it's
too much that's happened outside the ring that is now
covering up for what he did in the ring. And
it's very unfortunate. But it's to the point now where

(05:23):
it's one thing to have one bad situation. Things happen anyone.
We are not perfect people. None of us are perfect.
We're all human. We all make mistakes. However, the same
mistake can't happen like five times with the same exact situation.
It can't. Why I don't, I'm not a big fan
of people leading women like that's not cool, especially when
you have his skill set and his profession that you

(05:46):
know that should not be happening. So to be honest
with you, man, I'm cool on him if they these
things just can't keep happening. It can't keep over and
over and over again. It can't be the same thing
every time when something happens you're accused of hitting someone.
Come on, man, like what we doing? It keeps on happening,

(06:09):
It keeps on happening, and we're not It's been a
while since we talk about boxing with him, that real boxing.
It's been too long since we focus on the actual
sport itself, not some gimmick, not money, but actual boxing.
The last time he was in a ring, he got
out box for twelve whole rounds, and no one's talking

(06:31):
about that. And now we don't know when he's gonna
fight again, or if he ever does.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, I mean, and I'll even I'll make this very clear.
When it comes to boxers getting in trouble. You know,
if a boxer's cut with drugs or something like that, Man,
I don't give a shit. I do not care. Honestly,
that's not a scandal. That's not like an issue. But
this is different. You know, putting your hands on somebody,
on a woman or anybody, that's a big, big deal.

(06:57):
And yeah, that's just not not okay. Period. But you know,
I'm the guy who's you know, if the if a
boxer is like drunk at a strip club or whatever,
you know, obviously you shouldn't be doing that because you
should be in the gym, you should be focused, ready
for fighting. But at the end of the day, you know,
if they get back into into the gym and they're
ready for fight night, I do not care. That does.

(07:18):
None of that matters to me. But this actual, you know,
assault against women, like that's that's just too too much
to put up with. And yeah, you know, like it's
it's a very good point that this guy's been in
the news for other bullshit that's not you know, Wow,
that fight he had was great or you know whatever. Uh,
the last fight was was in March of this year.

(07:39):
I just looked it up. The Lamont Roach fight was
March of this year, and everything since has just.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Been just bullshit. That's the issue. And the thing is,
you keep getting accused of the same crime. You keep
getting accused of the same thing. Now, this is a
civil suit happening a shrimp club. All bets are off
on what actually happened in there because he says, she say,
it's a strip club. Who knows. However, with his reputation,

(08:07):
you can't keep on getting accused of this. It cannot
happen now. If it happened a strip club, there's a
pretty good chance that there's footage of this. If there
is footage of this, if he did indeed hit a
woman out of the blue for no reason, I don't
see him fighting again. I don't.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, And even though I said I don't, never really
cared about the pull fight anyway, I think a good
there has to be consequences to this behavior and him
losing out on this, but definitely was gonna be a back.
It's gonna be a big back him losing on on that,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Good.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't feel bad for the guy. I don't feel
bad for the well. Definitely don't care about losing this
fight at all. But yeah, I mean it's when we
talked about text legacy, I said, you know, people have
a lot of recent advice, they tend to kind of
remember what happens at the tail end more so not
to say that well, for example, you know, it's a

(09:02):
very different situation. You know, Manupeca had never got in
trouble like this, but he had a great career, had
a few losses, and we always talk about the knockout
where he got knocked out by juanmel Marquez, because I
was near the end of his career. That's just kind
of is always there, like following him around. But so
that's kind of just how people work. I think how

(09:23):
people's brains work, they remember the most recent thing for
a lot of fighters, for a lot of celebrities, to whatever.
You know, it's somebody, some musician has a great career
and they come out with a crappy album and then
people just don't stop talking about how that last album
was shitty forever, you know. So I think this is
definitely just adding more just making tanks. Legacy seems shittier

(09:48):
and shittier with more things that happened like this, him
taking the pul fight and not taking the Lamont Roach
rematch was was part of a part of the problem
for him. But man, it's a I think says he's
gonna be remembered as that guy who oh yeah, he
was pretty good, I guess, but then you know, he
got into some ship and did some stupid crap and
then he just kind of fizzled out. And I don't know,

(10:09):
they will be talking about Tank Davis in like five years.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
We will because now a whole lot of guys that
can do pay per views technically, so whenever your guy
that can do pay per view and you're gone, you're
you will be missed some wayhape or form. This show
I have with it is we never saw a Tank
in his prime. We never seen him take an elevation
to take the next step as a boxer. You know,

(10:33):
we never saw, oh he's up and the level he
took us. We never seen that, like we see the
Terrence Crawford of his game. We never saw, oh he's
taking it. We never got to see that, and it's
unfortunate because he had that potential. Unfortunately it's long gone
and it's it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, So all right, Peter, that fight people or Jake
Paul's already talking about finding a new opponent, and I
would just kind of like, so, yeah, I'd like to
yeah whatever. There's talks of him potentially fighting friends in
the GNU, and I'm like, you know what, immediately said
nay okay, okay, I didn't see that. Yeat Negata deserves

(11:11):
way better because he won that type of furiy fight.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Dam did.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, Another topic this is I guess it's the
show to air some grievances with the people that we
keep crapping on because Top Rank, oh, Top Rank. Last
week there was a fight between Michayla Mayor and Canadian
boxer Mary Spencer that I was excited to watch. I
went on Instagram. They even gave you a list of
how to watch. Top Rank still doesn't have a tv
TV deal, but they're figuring it out there. They had

(11:38):
a little list of where you can watch. It was
t B, Pluto TV, the Roku app and it was free.
I was like, that's cool, okay, you know what, Tom Brank,
I appreciate that, you know, yea, yeah, maybe maybe somebody
all get calls from your grandparents on how to the
computer question on how to watch this? What is what
is to be TV. But you know, every smart TV
has TV and Pluto and it's it's easy, got commercials.

(12:01):
But then it was Friday. I was like waiting for
you know, kind of figuring out what time it's gonna
be where I was gonna be out for Halloween. Turns
out the fight was actually the night before, on Thursday,
And turns out it was at eight pm Eastern.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh wow, I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah that I would have watched at five pm, Like,
who the hell's gonna watch that top Rank? Like, I'm sorry,
that's not that's not what boxing is. Yeah, like what
I can't remember the last time that you know, a
boxing match was before seven, you know, something like that.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
The worst part of it too is I just yes,
it was on me because I just kind of assumed
it would be on Friday. But also it's stupid Instagram's algorithm.
They're like showing you things from two days before and
they're like tomorrow it's the don't miss the Cala Mayor
on top Rank and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know,
I know tomorrow because it's gonna be Friday, you know
what I mean. It just gets all confused. So but yeah,

(12:57):
I mean boxing on Thursday's little you know, a little
northodox anyway, because it's a Friday Saturday night'sport. But my
birthday last year, there was a toughy malopus fight on
Thursday night. On my actual birthday, went out to the
Silver Room in Midtown, cool little dive bar, and I
was there kind of just like waiting, like, all right,
come on, Teo, it's gonna get like ten pm or

(13:18):
any coming out, because again, that's when you expect the
boxing match to be, right, m h, why the hell
am I ever gonna be ready? Like for me as
a boxing fan, I'm not gonna be like, oh, it's
five pm, I gotta turn on this fight. I want
to watch this main event. You know what I'm saying, right, So,
top rank you just continue to disappoint me and I.

(13:39):
If you want to be on TV and show all
your fights, they're cool, like that's awesome. I even saw
people on Instagram saying, hey, free fights, that's cool. Everybody's
got asces to as long as they have a smart TV.
But it's this whole Thursday night at five pm. Shit,
I just I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking.
So they take advantage of us. They take our.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
They take our watchability for granted, I don't the powers
that we need to get this figured out. I don't
have nothing against two B people make money on there.
I don't nothing against them, but boxing deserves better. Boxings
are is way better than that. However, when you don't
have a main contract, when things are unsettling, when you're
in business with different entities and different people, these are

(14:21):
things that can happen unfortunately. So so here we are.
You know, we're dealing with all these outside entities and
all these people who don't have boxes best interests at heart.
They're just trying to make the most money as possible.
This is what you get why we're used to the
HBO showtime ESPNS going forward, I have no idea what
to expect, to be honest with you, nut right.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
For me, it's just a consistency.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
If you tell me that every top rank fight for
the next whatever next year is going to be on
two b okay, cool, and I know then where I'm
gonna be on fight night.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
But it's this like, you know, same thing too well,
consistency with with times of the main event. You know,
here's the thing. At first, I was like, wait a second,
is this time stupid because it's like overseas or something. No,
it was in Canada, like it was in Montreal, so
it's like it's it's not a matter of you know,
international time zone. So I was I was bummed out

(15:14):
about it because I was actually very interested in watching
the fight. You know, we're big supporters of women's boxing here,
but you can't, yeah, you can't expect even like really
hardcore boxing fans to be ready at five pm on
a Thursday for a main event that's just not yet.
Like it's just exactly so people are in traffic getting

(15:37):
home from work, get off time, they're stuck in traffic,
and by the time they get home, it's like the
last two rounds already, especially with the women's fight, because
it's only ten rounds, like they're gonna miss that. So
now eight pm Eastern time, Okay, I'll give that a
little bit of more leeway. But this was before the
times changed. Me in Arizona. Five pm is when that

(15:57):
when that one.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's not gonna work. That don't work.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, So I know you mentioned the Canelo crop for
fight was a little too late, because what did that
started the East coast, was it like close to one?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I think it'll started at one am Easter Eastern, right
around one. That's I mean ten here. A fight starting
at ten our time was rough for what we like
where you used to we've seen fight stars early as
eight eight pm, seven thirties eight pm, why yeah, it was.
It was ridiculous. But again, when you got multiple entity
during the show, you got multiple agendas going on, this

(16:27):
is what takes.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Place right well, in terms of a fight being too late,
I think because boxing has always been a late night thing.
You know, in my mind, I'm gonna say that as
long as that first spell rings no later than midnight,
that's the cool.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I'm cool with that on a Saturday.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
On a Saturday, yes, yeah, I guess that a Saturday. Yeah,
I mean that for me. It's also like, let's think
about watch your boxing staying up late as a kid
in the summers on weekends sometimes it was just channel
surf and the would be random boxing matches in the
middle of the night, like the replaying matches at like
one two that so at the end, bossing has always

(17:08):
been middle of the night thing. So yeah, as long
as that bell rings twelve a m. First Bell fight
starts in less than an hour. I'll let that slide.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Moving on, Speaking of Tank Davis, actually two of his
former opponent's opponents will be fighting each other December sixth,
Lamont Roach versus Pitbull Cruise. So first things I want
to say about this is I'm glad Lamont Rose just
kind of moved on and stop kind of hanging around
waiting for that rematch that wasn't gonna happen. I still
think Tank Davis was too scared to rematch Roach, and

(17:43):
that's gonna stand by that. But this is actually exciting.
You know, both guys went the distance with Tank Pitbull Cruise. Yes,
they both lost the fight, but Pitbull Cruise is excellent
aggressive fighter. You know, he's He's got that name for
a reason. And it'd be really interesting to watch these
two guys with those skins. And we've said before people

(18:03):
who lose to Tank seem to learn from that loss,
you know, Roly Romero uh lost a Tank and then
add an excellent upset against Ryan Garcia. So I think
we're gonna see these two. I'm excited about this fight.
These two guys kind of Lamont Roach has heat on
his name that he really needed to use this year.

(18:24):
You know, the best thing to do was running back
against Tank. But if that wasn't gonna happen, I think
it's a good matchup. And I don't know, I mean, uh,
do we think that Lamont Roach is going to be
a name to to keep an eye on? While saying,
while while being very you know, transparent about the fact
that we were both like, man, fuck this fight. Nobody
cares about Tank versus Roach before the thing.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's how it starts, right like at first, like it's
just another guy, and then you're like, oh, now what
Roach is going to see If he's gotten better, if
he's taking everything seriously, if he's ready to the next step,
or he was excited to fight Tank. He's from DC
thanks from Baltimore's huge rivalry, et cetera, et cetera. So
we're just gonna see him in there with a different fighter,

(19:07):
what the mindset is, whatever, what's going on. I'm very
curious to see the level of preparation and whereas mental
is at for the upcoming fight. Because he wins this
fight after the last showing, then he gets other big fights.
If he loses this fight, it's over. He's not getting
another look. And that's just how it goes.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, I've always thought that's kind of unfair. I mean,
you know, you can't. I think we tend to, not
we necessarily, but just the boxing world just tends to
write dudes off after you know, a couple of losses.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Like, but it's a cold game, man, like think of it.
It's it's it's a commission based job, if that makes sense.
If you do well, you get paid or a word
to well, if you don't, you lose, and you basically
get fired one way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
That's true. I mean, I uh, I think I think
we got to give our fighters a little bit more grace.
You know, yes, you can, you can underperform, but man,
it's still you got to understand like how much uh
effort and time and and and how honestly dangerous it
is that they're getting in there. And I think we
kind of just kind of disregard folks too quickly, if

(20:14):
I'll put it that.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Way, we do. You're right, However, the way the game go,
I mean, we don't hear from them again. They don't
get any big fights. Once you get a chance, you
better take advantage of it, because like everything else, everything
moves fast. So if you're not winning, people aren't going
to contract someone that's not winning. It just doesn't work
that way. Boxers, like we talked about Danny last last show,

(20:37):
Danny Garcia is a product example of that. He got
his one shot, take advantage of it, became a star boxer,
made a lot of money on some belts. I don't
think it's a Hall of Famer, but he's that hell
of their career. Those are when you dropped two, you
better strike and you better win. Now, Roach got screwed
because Roach probably should have won the fighters, Tam probably
should have won. But you got a lot of eyes
on you.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Now.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
People know who you are, you know what you're capable of.
So fight We expect just to give a performance, if
not better.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, And I think the biggest issue, like I said,
the biggest handicap that he had is that when you
look like you should have won to fight when you
had a good performance, Uh, you run it back. That's
just how that shit goes. You run it back and
then you show whether that was a fluke or if
you had the skills. You definitely had the skills, yet
you just come out better the the on the other

(21:26):
side of it. I'm excited about Roach versus Pippoll Cruise,
but I don't think that's what he should have used
his improved skills to do. You know, you gotta you
gotta show. You gotta show the people who won, you know,
thought that you should have won, that they were right
about you, but also the people that said, no, screw
your Roach, full of shit, you know, blah blah blah.
You know, you gotta shut those haters up too, you

(21:47):
know what I mean. That's kind of the that's kind
of the the arc of of this type of fight
that we saw. So uh, I have a little bub
them that that we never got to see that rematch.
But I'm also I'm happy for Roach that he is
using the heat on his name to do something else
and something exciting, you know. And Piples don't joke that
man is is. I've seen him fight several times now

(22:07):
that that's he's a challenge no matter what.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
So no, he's legit. He's definitely legit for sure. And
he normally is a guy that you're gonna have an
action fight. It's not just a guy that's gonna just
there to He's gonna be there to force action and
force you to to fight him. So that should be
a good match Like looking at it, it's a pretty
good matchup. Whoever wins that probably gets a pretty good

(22:32):
fight somewhere in twenty six, probably for a belt.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah no, that's a really good point. Pippule is not
a boring fighter, so uh and I definitely think Roach
is gonna end there expecting that. I think it's another
another classic mixed company fight because pit Bull is a
Mexican guy, Roach black man.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
But it's a lower profile one though, this is not
sure so the emotions all right, So the mixed company,
it's mainly for the big fights. It's mainly for the
big fight. So when you think of all the Dale
Hoya versus Pronell and Floyd versus de la Joya and
Floydver's Canelo, all those those are a big fucking a
lot of motion of those. There's a lot marketing, it's

(23:13):
a lot going on twenty four to seven. All access,
et cetera, et cetera. Mixed company don't apply to this fight.
It don't really apply, all right, you can, but the
emotions ain't there, Like boy was a scumbag. However, we
love that scumbag because he represented black people in the
ring in a weird way. That's just what it was like,

(23:34):
That's how how you want to describe it. That's what
it was. So but yeah, this fight is like it's
mixed company, but it's kind of not.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
If that makes sense, makes sense, I understand what you're saying.
I will say also not but and also, uh, you know,
I live in Tucson, so if I were to you know,
be uh, you know where I go to see fights,
it's the neighborhood. It's straight up a Mexican firstplot. So yeah, yeah,
So if I was a fan of Lamont Roach and
wanted him to win this fight, I'm not really going

(24:04):
either way. I just want to see a great match.
But if I was, you know, going in there rooting
for a little mot Roach, I would maybe want to
not be that excited about it, kind of like when
I saw Schaquarue Stevenson versus Oscar Bodez there, I was
all in for Shakur, but I was, you know, just
kind of I didn't walk up with my SA Kerstin's
T shirt showing it off or anything like that, so yeah,
you know, it's still a consideration, especially in areas of

(24:27):
Tucson that are not just very heavily Vexican Hispanic brown,
but also a little little stabby, you know, a little
step which that neighborhood is. So yes, you're one hundred
percent right, it's not the same, but there's still some
consideration there, at least for me being in in Arizona
where there's shilettos Mexicans. But but yeah, that'll be December sixth.

(24:50):
I'm stoked actually, And and another thing too, I kind
of hate not knowing things like That's kind of also
why I just wanted I just kind of focus on
fights when they're announced and they have the date, this
back and forth like who are you going to fight?
Who's who's going to be next, blah blah blah, And
never really liked it, but I always kind of just
wanted to know what lamonk Roach was gonna do with
his catching. So this is kind of like, oh, finally,

(25:12):
thank god, we get to see the man back, and
not what I wanted to see, but you know, I'm
I'm happy for him that he came out on top
after this whole after this year's debacle. So hey, you know,
good year for lamont Roche, no matter.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
What, most definitely, most definitely.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
All right, here's a big one. We got to get
into tucks so called serious talks of many Packy Hill
versus Floyd Mayweather for twenty twenty six. My response is,
and uh yeah, I mean this week is just kind
of like just share our thoughts here and how you
feel about it. I'll let you I'll let you go

(25:50):
first man.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
The problem with these fights is they're only relevant because
we don't have enough young guys fighting often. That's theory
that's one man comes up. We wouldn't be focused on
older guys if we had enough younger guys doing what
they're supposed to do. We don't have that, Like we
don't know when Kurstewhinson's like, you know, we don't know
his next situation, you know, like it sucks, but we

(26:14):
don't know, like hey he wins, the next fight's gonna
do this, this and that third They don't know any of that,
Like we don't know like hey, if James Boots does this,
this and this, he's doing that, Like it's just it's
not good, Like our our good fighters are not fighting
other good fighters. It feels like our good fighters are

(26:35):
always finding tune up guys and that's the problem, and
they're making a lot of money doing so, so it
doesn't force to really get matchups that we've been dying
to see. So right now it's going around the circle
of tune up fight for the tune up fight for
the tune up fights, and then when somebody wants to
fight somebody, Oh, well I'm not a side or I
need this, and it's next any of lose interest. So

(26:57):
then this bullshit comes up. It's like oh people, no,
oh a man, and it's like, nah, that's not we
didn't come from that, Like that's the how, That's not
how I supposed to go. It's not and here we are.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I totally agree with all that. And also what
really really bothers me is that Manny Paca came back
and what was it? A legitimate fight for a legitimate
belt that wasn't a showcase, wasn't a money I mean,
sure it was a money grab for him because he
needed the cash, but you know what I mean, it
was against a legitimate fighter for a belt, you know,
And same thing. This goes very I picked this topic

(27:33):
next because it went very well with the lavant roach thing.
You know, I wanted to see once he demonstrated that
he still had it. Sure wasn't prime many, but hey,
who was you know, he looked good. He looked better
than I expected. I will also admit I was on
the record as saying I thought he was gonna be washed.
I thought it was gonna be easy win for Mario Barrios.
You know I was wrong. I'll never I'll never be
afraid to admit that I was wrong. Uh, but with that,

(27:56):
I was excited, like, Okay, my man, what else he got?
What else he got in the chain? What are you
gonna do? And it's just kind of it's just lazy.
You know, it's another Netflix potentially a Netflix event where
you know, Netflix being involved in boxing is potentially a
good thing, but it has to be they have to
be a stepping stone for more fighters as opposed to

(28:19):
just kind of go into the biggest name possible for
the biggest you know, they're all Jake Paul fights are
gonna be on Netflix now it appears, and it's kind
of annoying. You know, they're not really using I don't
know which one is is where the problem is that
Netflix isn't using boxing as like a long term relationship
or boxing doesn't really think of Netflix as a lot. Somebody,

(28:40):
somebody's got cold feet, somebody is a commitment folbe here.
I don't know which one. Maybe it's both of them,
and it's just not exciting. You know, you're you kind
of want the the the the comforting, like like a marriage.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
With boxing.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
You want to know that you know you got somebody there,
they're gonna be You're gonna be able to see them
on you know when you get off of work, not
worry about you know, somethody that they're gonna leave you
on Red or who they're talking to next, or who
they're gonna be making it. I thought you were hanging
out with me this weekend. Now you're hanging out with
Bucket Twoby. All right, That's kind of how I feel that,
And I thought a Netflix partnership would been a great,
great option, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
So. Netflix is in it for the money, Like, let's
call it what it is. They're in it for the
cash or not in it for anything else. They're literally
in this for the cash. They're in it for the
fights that make sense financially, they're going to be there
for I don't see them putting together a Friday Night
card or Saturday Saturday palooza one day at a quarter.
I don't see that could change absolutely, but I don't

(29:36):
they They're in it for the views. That's what they
make the money off of. They get the advertised Netflix
and all of the program that they offer throughout that
whole time block, so I get their process. The Jake
Paul thing is ruin boxing. It's really ruin boxing. For
traditionals like us, it's not real. It's a bunch of bs.
Jake Paul don't care about the support kettle making money,

(29:57):
so when he fights, it brings lit attention to the
sport for all the wrong reasons, and that has messed
up all the other fights that are actually boxing matches
because his numbers and his stats when it comes to
the watchability and the views and the metrics are all intertwined.
So that's where things are messed up at That's why

(30:18):
it's hard to find a good fight on TV these
days without having to pay for some random suscription you're
only gonna use once every six months, so it's just
all bad right now. With that being said, I don't
hate Jake Paul because he's not doing anything that he
shouldn't be doing. I hate people that support the bullshit
that Jake Paul does and people who put the money

(30:38):
behind him and behind the bullshit. That's why I don't
like And until that stops, we're going to keep on
getting it. But he makes so much money, he liked
by so many people. This is what it is now,
so we've got to get comfortable with this new reality.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, it is unfortunate. I mean, my thing is that
everybody thinks short term and short term cash at the moment.
Not just don't just tie about fighters. I'm talking about
you know, streaming networks, this and that. I mean, And
just to kind of get into Netflix's model, I mean,
people who watch a lot of Netflix originals. I don't really,
but I've heard so many times over the years, oh man,

(31:14):
I'm really into the show and just got canceled after
two seasons or after one season.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
More.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, they're not really the they're not really the long
term commitment type. They want to hit it and qudit
after a couple of seasons.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
So he put twelve episodes on, they'll put all season
on US on Friday at midnight, and yeah, I mean
that's what they do. So if yes, people aren't watching,
then is what it is. So Box is in a
very weird spot. Man, Like we talked about all it's
in a weird spot. There's definitely good fights to be made,
great fights to be made still, but at the moment
it's in a weird spot. I don't have the answers

(31:46):
on what get the old spot?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, what really needs to happen and I'm not saying
that I have the answers of how this could possibly work,
is that it needs to be treated as something with
potential again, because you know, it needs to foster time
and for people to grow fan sorry for it to
grow fans of certain fighters, of young fighters, people who
will follow their person. You know, Dank Davis's pay per
view name Canelo was probably still is for this year

(32:12):
for the coming year, a pay per view name, and
we don't have a lot more. But where the hell
are we going to get them if they're not actually fighting,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
And a couple of names you mentioned are on the
way out, like Canelo's on the way. You got a
couple more than he's out Sam with Tag's we may
never fight again. You know, as great as Bud Craft is,
I don't know if he could do a pay per
view right now. Probably could, but the number wouldn't be great.
Like so it's it's rough.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
We're in a rough spot right now. Well and but
also let's not okay, that's one hundred percent true. I
don't think I also don't think that Bud will do
a great pay per view. But we also talked about
how the pay per view model isn't the thing right now,
that it's not like the nineties. The nineties was absolutely
how you know, fighters made were some of the best
paid in the world. That model has changed and now
we do need for better or worse, to focus on

(33:05):
subscription services apps, Netflix to be et cetera. Whatever. Right,
but they need to both sides need to realize that
it's not just well, let's put this fight on Netflix,
let's sew this fight on TV, like there really needs
to be a place to go for all of boxing
that isn't just his own. Let's be real. And here's
the thing, dude, Turkey Yella Shak, the promoter from Sadi Araba,

(33:28):
has said, you know, oh, the area of pay per
view is over, and then isn't the next day of
Benavita Benavitaz fight also pay per view?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Now?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
True? True, And I think it's gonna be cased by
case when it comes to these things. And I shaidn't
use a work head for you. I want to talk
about Chance Crawford. It's we're out marketing wise, like as
great a boxer as he is, and he's definitely the
best boxer walking and breathing, now he needs a big
name besides him to have a mega fight. Him alone

(33:56):
is not a mega fight unfortunately, and there's nothing way
for Abram he is. He's just a boxer that say,
he don't do nothing else extra like he's not a rapper.
He don't have no crime outside the boxing ring. He
don't have no celebrity girlfriend like he has none other
that so he's just a great boxer. That's fine when
it comes to marketability and for mega mega fights, he

(34:17):
needs an opponent that is equally as popular or if
not more popular than he is in order to make
that happen. And that's just not in the card right now.
Some of the names I've heard and seen, you know,
and you know, in connection with his next fight. Nah,
like for four years ago, those will be on ESPN
Friday Night, Saturday Night Top rank card. So no, like,

(34:41):
I don't want to see him find a Charlo twin.
I don't like, No one wants to see that. There's
no need for that.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
So well, let's let's let's speculate a bit now that
you mentioned that, because yes, they're mentioning a potential Charlow
fight against Bud Okay. So now that now that we
know the top rank is in, is just kind of
like playing the field with two Pluto TV, et cetera.
And you know he's got a big paper you name.
His mega fight against Canelo was on Netflix. Let's say
Bud fights Charlow next. Where the hell is that going

(35:09):
to air? Who's like, which network, which streaming service? Which? Like,
are we gonna see Bud Crafford on two v TV?
You know, of course I'll tune in to watch.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It would surprise me. A buz phone, a random app
or ram stream that maximize bad for him. It wouldn't
surprise me. And he's gone. He's done enough in boxing
to do that. He's done enough in boxing to where
you know, what. I understand what you're doing. I understand
the play here, get your money. I'm not saying I
want to see it, but I understand if you were
to go that route. But for him, we don't really

(35:41):
care about those things. So I probably guess like an
Amazon or a Netflix slide, I guess I guess that
was that to probably be the most likely because they're
still uh yep, they're still involved in appears.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, I mean yeah, he could just kind of go
to left field and go to YouTube a free fight
on YouTube like there. You know, of course it's not
gonna be free for him, and YouTube does have tea pockets. Yep,
they're increasing not deep enough to keep ESPN because they
just dropped it from YouTube TV, and I think they
just always so it's it's a mess, man. It's uh,

(36:16):
it's it's it's wild just seeing where it's again, it's
the not knowing, it's the speculation. And you could we
could talk about, okay, just a year ago, two years ago,
you could say, right, this fighter whoever he is, you know,
he's kind of a middle mid range name, not super big,
kind of popular this and that, but you know they're
with top rank, they're gonna be on ESPN Fighter Saturday night.
Bo that's uh. And you know, so maybe some bigger

(36:40):
folks that go to the PBC, they go to Amazon,
et cetera. But you always knew that old faithful was
there ESPN Saturday nights. And it's it is so weird
just talking about the sport with without that there, without
that ongoing of like every not maybe not every Saturday,
but you know, you know what I mean, most Saturdays
you'd be able to tune in and they're just be

(37:02):
a fight and I don't care. I just like watching fights,
even if I don't know the names and the people
in the match. When you're at home, it got nothing
to do. You're bored, you don't want to go out,
you're too broke, you're hungover. Boom, let's watch in boxing.
And that's god. That's fucking god. And it's so weird.
It's unfortunate too. I think Big Party is unfortunate. We

(37:23):
don't have.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Say this, but back in the day, we'd have up
and comers that you watched because you saw them on
every undercard, and they become they became up and comers
to guys that you co feature on fights and then
became feature fighters. We don't have that no more. Man Like,
there's no either you're a name wh or not. Like,
there's no up and coming or minteria. Either your upcoming

(37:47):
name or there's another guy that fights. Somebody would a name.
And I think that's also hard things because we're not
developing fighters anymore. We're developing brands, we're developing names. So
if you're not able to do that, then you kind
of washed to the side and fight for peanuts and
hope to get your chance.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And I imagine too, it's another thing for a fighter,
a young fighter that's getting their name out there. You
know they're pro, but they have a couple of fights
under their under their belt. Literally, uh, you know, they're
they want to sign with somebody or you know, get
involved with some promotional company. They're gonna want to be
somebody that gets a lot of eyeballs on them. Absolutely,
I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything
about that life or you know what you're looking for.

(38:28):
But if I'm a young guy and I got some
heat on skills and heat on social media, for example,
and they tell me like, well, you can sign here
to fight on two b I don't think there's a
problem with that. But you know, for for for a
kid that grew up watching you know, uh Tyson or
you know, or a Canello and the big Papy fights,
watching Floyd and watching money Mayweather, you know, just to

(38:51):
lay those stacks of cash out. You're like, well, okay,
that's cool, Like that's what I aspire to because I
want of course, you want to be a star. You know,
nobody wants to be boxer. Used to be a bot,
you aspired to that and now you got you know, yeah,
no disrespect it to me, but it is also very,
very different from even even the cachet of an ESPN
say what you will about them, like that is the

(39:12):
biggest name in sports, you know what I mean, And
now there's every other sport is on there except yours.
As a young guy, I can't imagine. That's got to suck.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
That's rerual.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Anyway, staying on the topic of the Mayweather Pakia fight,
I want to get your take on, you know, just
where socially speaking, racially speaking, we think we stand today.
You know, we've talked, You've mentioned before, you have said
before about how there was a big divide between their fans.
You know you either Mayweather Pacquiao guy. You also said,

(39:46):
which you know we we may very clear because this
is the show we're on. A lot of people gravitated
toward many Pacio because of racism. They did not want
to support a black fighter, a a boisterous black fighter,
a man who ran his mouth, and a lot of
people do not like that. And so I just want
to get your take on, as someone who again never
really paid attention to what happened outside the ring, what

(40:08):
was the the people that really shied away from Floyd?
I mean, what was it about him specifically other than
just being a black guy.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
He was loud, he was obnoxious, and he was rich,
and he constantly reminded you how rich he was. He
constantly reminded you that I got more money than you,
and I'm making this shit look easy and I'm getting
paid more money than you ever could get in your life.
That's what it was, and it was constant, it was
every day. And the biggest thing is people more people

(40:37):
tune in to see him lose and win, and that's
always an odd thing, but he mastered that and he
became his aora in a sense, is people want to
tune in and see if he's going to lose. And
when you get that, you mastered the marketing. And he's
a great marketer. But it was basically a lot of
people didn't like how arrogant he was and the constant

(41:00):
flashing of money, cars, jewelry, et cetera. They turn off
a big section of this country with that, right.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Uh, what not to say that these two are in
any way the same by any means. But my issue
with Jake Paul is that a lot of people also
ted in to watch him lose, that they're hoping that
he loses. But with him, it's not a matter of
he's just so skilled that he's gonna win every time.
It's just, you know, he he picks fake fights, he
picks you know tomato.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, it's not the same man, It's not the same.
And like, why no one takes him seriously? Why I'm
gonna be honest, Like, I don't take him seriously. He's
he's just a guy. Like I mean, he's making a
lot of money, so God bless him, But no one
cares at the end of the day. No, like, no
one boxing wise cares. He's not gonna find a real
boxer like I don't know what would happened to when

(41:49):
him and Tang. I don't know if I was if
thing's gonna literally hit him, hit him, but we don't care,
like that wasn't No.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, but that's just that's just an aside. But yeah,
I mean interesting, I means as Floyd Mayweather is kind
of estem changing people's mind because he's also here's the thing,
what has he actually been doing. He hasn't been involved
in anything that I've seen in other brands, Like he's
been just quiet. He's just been enjoying his fat stacks
of cash. I guess.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, he's been a lot of business deals and whatnot,
so he's taking care of that. But yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
But there's no like I've never seen like, oh he's
got his energy drink. He knows what people usually do,
got an energy drink. He's got you know whatever, advertising
for vetting companies, you know, advertising for any of that stuff.
He didn't seem to be doing any of that.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Best. He's doing a lot of business stuff. I know that.
I know he's involved a lot of business, does a
lot of real estate. But other than that, boxing is
not really involved like that, notespecially on day to day.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, so what how do we feel about is there
going to be another racial divide for Paki, the.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Racial violes when people care. People don't care about this fight.
So it's whatever. Now, ten years ago they fought absolutely
well between eight in that fight. There's a big divide
because you're either one side or the other. You couldn't
be neutral. So it was huge back in the day.
Now they're both washed up, no one cares well.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
And you know, I think about it too. It's something
that we we are missing as well. These days. It's
very few fighters have that big of a fan base
where if you're either this person or that person. Not really.
I mean, yes, there's the big fights where you know,
Canelo versus, but it's like, you know, Black versus Mexican,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But something like, I
don't know, it would be the equivalent of I don't

(43:39):
Chaves versus Deloya, right, Like you were either you were
if you're a Chilvis, you were not a Delaya.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Fan, right.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
And you know I've alluded before my show. My mother
to this day says terrible things about delay, my old mother,
who I was like, Mom, you can't say that ship,
but yeah, we don't do we do we really have
anybody like that today? Two fighters are just kind of
not just about passion because you're a fan of a fighter,

(44:06):
but like you're a fan of the fighter and you're
k and you hate the fans of the other fighter,
you know what I'm saying. Like, we lost that too.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
We definitely lost that. It's not the same anymore. But
also it's not marketing the same. These guys are making
money and ducking off. They're now social media like that.
It's just not the same. It's a different, different generation.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, I feel like this episode has been I'm not
gonna say a bummer, but it's definitely been a lot
of you know, kind of the darker side of the
boxing world. The absolute like but hey, you know what,
that's important too, you know, And this is I still
love it. This is the greatest boor in the world.
I can watch a fight and just be super excited,
even if I don't know the fighters. I can be
just obsessed with watching the way they move, the skills

(44:46):
they have, you know, super inspired and all that. But
there's a lot of things about bucksting this trash and
we gotta we gotta take the good end together, you know.
And I'm not just gonna sit here and just you know,
talking about how everything is honey Dory, and hey, you know,
we're we've always strived to be a very real show
about real issues in the sport. So well, moving on

(45:07):
to something that we can absolutely talk about the heydays
of the show, We're going to move into our segment
called pop Pugilism, a recurring segment in which we talk
about a movie or TV show about boxing documentaries as well,
which is what we're talking about today. And as always,
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(45:28):
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like a bad movie. It can suck, But if you
get together with friends and you drink, you can at
least have a good time while the movie sucks. What
about other things? Can you do other things? You can
have any sort of caveat you want. But I mean,

(45:51):
I just more mean, do you guys want to get
together and just watch bad movies and make fun of them?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
That anyway by myself might as well doing together. Ooh,
I'll get so bullets. I think we can start a podcast, guys,
I think we should. I have a great name for it,
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Speaker 3 (46:11):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And you can tell there's no actors on this podcast,
like I mean, it's really painfully clear that the acting
is not where we shine. Yes, it's very clear, very clear.
Thanks a lot of guys, Badmovies, Worse People dot com.
So today we are talking about a movie called Facing Ali.
It is a documentary from two thousand and nine, directed
by Peter McCormick. And yeah, this one was really cool

(46:34):
because you know, I've seen several Elee documentaries. There's I
mean a million of them out there. This one I
liked was specifically because it was his opponents speaking about
their experiences in the ring with him. And if you're
watching us on YouTube, but you totally showed it so
you can look at our handsome mugs. We've got a
poster here with the list of the people that are

(46:55):
actually interviewed a lot of names that had a lot
of good and bad experiences against Ali. So yeah, gave
us the first thoughts, what do you think? What do
you think about this documentary?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Very polarizing figure, and people liked that word around a lot,
but Ali was very polarizing. Whenever you whenever you're able
to get former opponents to get on record to speak
about their experience, is good, bad, and ugly with someone,
it's very impressive. And also he came to this everybody.
It's not for everyone. This is for only the greats.

(47:27):
So this was different. This was actually really good film.
I guess you could say it's kind of a documentary
but film so to speak. No, it's definitely definitely dope.
But also they each have different situations with him, because
Joe Fraser and Larry Holmes have two totally different stories, right,

(47:49):
like totally different eras and everything. So it's all really
really fascinating. With that being said, though we have never
seen someone like Muhammad Ali terms of an actual boxer,
we haven't seen that since then. What I mean is
not it's I can carry a fight, but that can
make the public interested in boxing to where they only

(48:13):
tune in to watch it we haven't found that guy,
like we've missed him since his prime or is later prime.
We have not had a guy captivate maybe Tyson, maybe,
but it is in general, a guy is very It
gives timing is the eras are different, so they boxing
in the seventies eighties was waiter than this today. But

(48:34):
let me believe it's like a he was a megastar
and he could have been in any era and he
would have got casual fans in any era, and we're
lacking that now. As a better way of saying it.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, that's really really well said. I mean, the thing
I really liked about this most is because we talk
everybody talks about Alee and they always say greatest of
all time. It's kind of it's cliche at this point.
You know, you could ask anybody name name a fighter
that's ever lived in history, and most people who don't
know anything about sports at all will probably know who
Muhammad Ali is.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
But I really like that the people on the other end,
the other end of those punches are literally talked about
why he is so skilled and what they saw in
what they fell and you know, them getting rocked, them
not even being able to lay a hand on him,
you know, his heavyweight six one, I believe, I don't remember,
but one of the fighters that he moved like he's,

(49:30):
you know, a little guy. And that's something that we
talked about Tyson. You know, he was under six feet tall,
which is strange for a heavyweight, big beefy guy, but
he moved light on his feet like he's just you know,
a middleweight dude. And so having that for somebody that
at that weight class is just amazing, and it's so

(49:50):
cool to hear the actual people that were there talk
about they just just remembering. I mean, my god, just
remembering like the way were they able to try to
get through his jam so they kind of got through
his defense and this and that, and the way that
they these guys are like, I know I heard him.
He played it off for you, but I know I
heard him, like I I was there, Like I actually

(50:11):
led to that punch. I know he was hurting during
This match was so interesting because you know, you could
just say you can watch it on a leaf and
it was like he didn't get touched, he didn't get rocked.
Yeah he got hit, but it didn't phase him at all.
But this is from either announcers, you know, audiences, but
hearing from the people that were there is really, really,
really cool. So I definitely appreciate that about this movie.

(50:33):
Definitely something This is something that you could just do
for so many fighters, Like you just do the same
format for Chavis, for Mayweather. Like I'm kind of surprised
that it hasn't been done.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Already like that.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
People didn't rip off people Kormicks, I guess format rip
off his whole flow.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Well, so back in the day, we didn't have all access,
we didn't have podcasts, we didn't have those things. So
the insensitive is something like this backland is way different.
Now you get on the podcast and share. You know,
you can get eight different guys that Floyda's fought and
get different perspectives and whatnot. You can get eight guys

(51:11):
Sarre Crawford fought and get their perspectives on that. Back
this time in the two thousands, con tricky, right, we
didn't have podcasts like that. There was you know, the
docs and movies were different. So I can understand why
that this was done, but not for a lot of
others because others it's more of a YouTube short film,

(51:32):
short story thing rather than actual movie itself.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
That's fair, and that's definitely something that technology has made
a lot easier. But there is something about you know, yeah,
there's documentaries are still being made, even though you can
still tell stories on podcasts. So I think that something
like this for fun, maybe not maybe not in Mayweather,
maybe not a butt, but you go back, let's say
like early Tyson, you know, get his opponents up there

(51:57):
who are still around. I think I think it would
actually be very interesting. More so, how about this, I'd
be more interested in that documentary that's in this format
than another biopic, you know, with somebody playing.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Oh yea.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeaeah. Like the bioplays all take a certain they're all
a certain cliche format anyway, So something like this I
definitely think would would would hit. I think it would
do great, agreed. Another thing I liked is that each
fighter also got to tell a little bit of their
own story, so it's not just about the match, but also,

(52:32):
you know, George Chavalo all of a sudden just talking about,
you know, how he lost some kids, kids passed away
to drugs. His wife passed away as well. She committed
suicide after one of their kids died and it's really intense,
you know he is. He went from just kind of
being very upbeat talking about how he heard Ali and
Ali was definitely bleeding for the kidneys, and he went
out dancing with his lady that night that he was all,

(52:53):
you know, super super excited about it. And then you know,
he got super serious and went into the story. And
every fighter gets to their little their chance to tell
a little bit something about themselves. And it was super
cool because a lot of these names I've some of
them we know, like George Foreman, of course, but some
of these names I've heard but don't know enough outside

(53:14):
of them being Alia Putts, you know. Right, ron Lyle
is a guy who straight up said like, yeah, I
lost to Tali, but hey, if I hadn't, you wouldn't
be sitting here talking to ron Lyle like about what,
which is really funny. And I mean he's right. You know,
we know a lot of people know Joe Fraser, like
I said, don't George for him, but I didn't know
ron Lyle or much about Ernie Shavers either, So yeah,

(53:40):
it was. It was really interesting and really enlightening about
the sport itself, not just about the man Ali. They
do go through a lot of history as well, and
a lot of stuff that we as fight fans who've
seen other movies already know about him refusing to go
to Vietnam, about you know, being suspended from boxing, going
to jail, et cetera, or whatever. So they do go

(54:01):
through that history. So it is good for beginners. But
at the end of the day, I think I liked
more than it showed at least style changing over the years.
And like you said, yeah, very different from when he
fought Joe Fraser to when.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
He fought what is it, Larry Holmes, Larry Holmes.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm looking at the names and I'm
getting all mixed up. But yeah, when he fought Larry Holmes,
you know, he was on his way up.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
You can also see just the difference in how he
spoke his cadence. You know, he was very fast on
his feet, uh and then close to that fight he
was just kind of slowed down in his in his
sweet pens and is a real bumber to watch. So yeah,
another thing I want you mentioned about this, Uh So

(54:53):
this was this is a tough I'm gonna tread carefully here.
A lot of these all these fighters are old guys, okay, yeah,
and a lot of them needed subtitles because it was
very hard to understand. And I think it really shows
like is this because of what boxing did to them
in their youth and how they're just very I guess

(55:14):
we're very bumbly. We're just kind of difficult to understand.
I mean, you know, it takes a toll on you.
What did you think about that part?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
It's rough, man, because we know what it is like.
We're not stupid. We know that sport is unforgiving, that
sport is not a sport where you last long. You know,
it's not. So we understand the challenge their brains or
both adults. We know how this works. Unfortunately, the game
was the game. Unfortunately they worked in a profession, they

(55:44):
had a lot of risk, so unfortunately this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, I mean, so these guys are when this was made,
I guess in the sixties. And here's the thing. Yeah,
they sound very very different than sixty. Isn't that old,
you know, especially these days. So but these guys, you know,
their speech patterns, their cadence, the way that's to be.
It was a little hard to watch to be honest,
even as a fan of boxing, I was like the

(56:10):
way somebody comes down on the other side. It was
just kind of it was it's kind of hit like
a ton of breaks, watching one guy after another just
kind of have difficulties speaking clearly, and it was a
little bit of stuff, to be quite honest with you.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
The medical back then was not like what it is today.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Absolutely absolutely so. But it was a sobering reminder of
you know, we watch the sport and we can critique it.
We say it's we have a lot of fun watching,
or you know, talk a lot of shit about fighters
this and that, but you're right, it is unforgiving and
we always have to remember that the human element of
people getting into that ring, they're getting sucked up like
they are not this is you don't play boxing and

(56:51):
you don't you know, just go in there. You don't
go in there unprepared, and you don't go in there
without knowing the risks you can. And my hat's off
to all these guys.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Just final thoughts on this, Jamison and overall the on
the documentary what you.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Said, we need more of these for other guys, even
if it's a short film. I think just the overall
boxing knowledge is cool. I think Floyd Crawford, Canelo, de
La Hoya Dela Hoya fall like eighty five people, so
it'd be cool to have that, But just in general,
I think it would be more good than harm if
we have more of these ties because it really gives

(57:26):
you a detailed emphasis on the matchups and also each fighter.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, Peter mcormick, I don't know what you're up to
these days. But although I did see I had not
heard this guy. But he also made a Bruce Lee
documentary I'm definitely gonna check out, and Less Less Your Parent.
He did a Joe Frasher documentary, So okay, yeah, yeah,
so we're I'm calling now We're going to see Peter
McCormick's moving back on this show very soon on this second.

(57:51):
So yeah, definitely really cool, really interesting. And another thing too,
is for fighters, I guess even the nineties, because we're
we're washing getting up there. If a movie like this
is going to be made, it has to be soon
for a lot of these guys for the same reasons
we just mentioned, not just age, but they're they're limited
faculties after boxing for so long, you know, Oscar Deloya

(58:12):
fought a lot, and he still seems to be on
his game. You know, tesn't slowed down a bit, But
I don't know that's that's surprising, to be honesty, that
Oscar still is.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Austria to take a lot of punishment though, if you
think about.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
It, that's true, that's true. That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
He didn't take any like while he got beat in
a few fights, but it wasn't like, oh I'm worried
about his health. He just got out classed at times,
especially at the end, but I don't remember him taking
any like really bad punishment per se.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
That's a good point. That's I guess, kind of the
same thing with with Chavez. I mean, yeah, he's he
wasn't exactly he got beat several times, but yeah, there
was never him getting you know, knocked down over and
over and over, hit in the canvas, you know, get
rocked over and over.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
So yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Would make sense, but uh yeah, no, I don't know
if if if it can be, even if it could
be like like I said, a podcast series of fighters
who have fought who are lesser known, who have fought
the big names over the years, whatever it is, I
absolutely loved this format, and I think it's super cool
and interesting and it's I think it's very enlightening for
non boxing fans as well. You know, nobody's really talking

(59:16):
technically about the way they're moving, Like I don't know,
it's just like, oh I threw I threw a three,
and then I threw like a six and then I
got caught with this because I moved you know, uh
this on this side of the ring ball blah. They're
just being very clear about like what they were trying
to do, how they're trying to land punch just to
the body, to the head, get on the inside. Nothing
too technical. But a newbie can't you know, I can't

(59:37):
pick up on Yeah, So on this show. We always
rate movies out of four gloves. It's a weird rating
documentaries because they're not like, you know, narratives. But Jamison
out of four gloves, how would you rate Facing All
Leave from two thousand and nine? Ah?

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Three point three three? Okay? They looked really good, like
it was really really good.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
What keeps you for reading it higher?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
What keeps it from being a full four?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
It was kind of simple, like the the there wasn't
anything that like I learned through it, per se, and
it wasn't something where the way it was done I get,
I appreciate the concept of it, but it wasn't anything
that was like groundbreaking or anything like that. Like they
got people that we knew of, they asked them to

(01:00:24):
interview them, and that was kind of it. There was
nothing really outside of that that was like mind blowing
my opinion, per se. But I think it was shot well.
I think it was done well professionally. I see anything
that was like, oh wow, they should get a four
or three point seventy five, sure fair?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I mean yeah, And I what I liked about it
wasn't that it was very enlightening that I got a
lot of new knowledge about it. For me, it was
just that new perspective on on on Ali and you know,
from these fighters who were actually there and just kind
of seeing how just what they look like now and
what they sound like was was just really interesting. So
I'll go three point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Five on it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Still very solid, Still good time and h yeah, definitely uh,
definitely worth your time if you're interested in boxing learning
about it. Okay, So Jamison, where can people find you
on social media?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
On Twitter? At the Jamison usually on there. Hopefully it's
some great fight nights. I know, we got some guys
coming up, and if not for this year, we got
some guys come up early next year. Hopefully. We still
do't have a Tia femo and UHM is supposed to
fight there you go. We still don't have that lined

(01:01:33):
up and it's odd to me, so whatever, sooner or
later hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, they said it'd be for January, and there's some
there's always something coming up they're still working on. I mean,
I just do the damn fight. Give us something to
look forward to in the new year, you know, just
to give us some some slight amount of joy to
look forward to in this damn this life of ours.
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