The Naked TRUTH - Earl Grey Anderson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Line.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Naked Truth and now your host Terrian
Bridgid Barclay.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Good evening America and good morning England. It's very very
early here as always, as and I forgot to put
the lights on. As always. That's just live TV, isn't it.
Tonight's guest is Earl Gray. Something that I'm not drinking.
I'm drinking iced tea today. But Earl Gray, Earl, Earl
I've spoken to a few times. Absolutely lovely character to

(00:56):
have it in eupology. So Earl, I am going to say, well,
I'm going to ask him some questions because obviously he's
a move On State director, so that's really quite interesting
that you can ask him some some really in depth questions.
So move On team director, a star team member, and
he is speaking AT's gosh, so many places at the

(01:19):
moment that he runs experiences workshops for the last two
move On, his hosts three different events in twenty fourteen
for move On, Move On Me for move for move On, podcast,
radio shows, TV shows, travel shows, a storming Area fifty
one special must ask him about what one and hang

(01:39):
on it more to the point, motor MythBusters cars versus UFOs,
What can you get I love those two things, being
a total pet wead earl Are you there please? Yeah,
I am nice to see you. I love all of yours.

(02:00):
Some pieces in the background.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh thank you. My library, my UFO library, my my
collection of various and sundry flying saucers. People tend to
give you flying saucers.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
It's great when you have the little.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Euphologist thing after your name, you know. Yeah, but you
know I never got bored with it. I never get
tired of it. Even my grandson for Christmas, he gave
me a little alien and a flying saucer, you know,
like a snow globe, and.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I don't have one of those. Okay for you well,
along with the many things. So el today, we've got
some pictures, we've got some history, and you've got some
history within uphology. I think let's start with your mom.
I think because your mom, your story about your mum

(02:55):
is really really amazing to have to have as an
experiencer yourself.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
About what I'm talking about, because she spent her life
trying to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
But no, I think because she couldn't back then, but
now she's absolutely cheering you totally or believe me from.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Heaven if she was still there, that she would she
would not be happy. She's very concerned about keeping her
you know, her above top secret clearances and things like that.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Do you think so now even even so now, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
She she would be in trouble. But I'll go into
that if you want. Stop it's my origin story.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
You know, you go for it. Talk to me about so.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Many of us. It seems like, you know, it's UFO's
the next generation. You had Star Trek the next generation,
and you know, in some ways I liked the sequel
better than the original series. Maybe I don't know, mister Spock.
He can't outdo mister Spock, right, but it seems like
it's that with the euphology. You know, my closest friend

(04:09):
is probably Paul Heineck, and his father was doctor J.
Allen Heineck, who was the you know, science advisor of
Project Blue Book for the United States Air Force back
in the fifties and the nineteen sixties. And in a
lot of the ways that I I mean, Moufon will
train you and train their people to high Susan, how

(04:32):
are you doing well? We'll train you to be a
good field investigator. Do you scientific have scientific values and
a lot of that. We actually use Heine's classifications on
cases and things like that. But you know, it's like Paul,

(04:53):
He's a second generation of that. Other good friends of
mine Kenneth Arnold's granddaughter, Chanelle Shane. Her grandfather was the
man who came up with the term flying saucer. He's
the first guy that ever reported a fleet of UFOs flying.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
To join us.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Sorry, now I had to give my cat treats to
get him out of here, because as soon as the
door closes, he starts paying on it. He wants to
be part of podcasts.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
When they walk over the keyboard. I just like, so sorry,
sorry for that. Carry on, but let's talk Mom.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I already went off track here.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
It was not news to our family. Everybody knew that
mom had worked Back in the nineteen fifties. She worked
as a secretary, a personal secretary for Howard Hughes, the millionaire.
She worked in Hughes Aircraft facility. There was he had
his film it was in Hollywood, but his main love,

(06:03):
of course, was aerospace. At that point it was mostly aeronautics.
We weren't going into space in any way, shape or form,
but that was my mom started working for him in
the early to mid nineteen fifties, and we all knew that,
you know, it wasn't news. And she had some interesting

(06:26):
stories from that time period. But one day, way back,
and I'm kind of an old coot, okay, and nineteen
sixty three.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Talk about nineteen sixty three because I remember it right
with the guy. I did watch the Beatles on Ed Sullivan.
That'll give you an idea of my age. We'll be
sixty six. It's no I'm proud whatevers I've earned.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yeah, but I sat down breakfast well one of my okay,
one of my earliest memories, and I think my mom
knew that I had a propensity and a love for
outer space.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
This was our backyard. That's myself climbing up the monkey bars.
And one of my first memories is before nineteen sixty three.
It was maybe a year or two before I climb
up to the monkey bars and Moms, I remember her
shouting out the window that you see there, the kitchen window, earl,
who are you singing and waving to up there? Because

(07:28):
I was sitting up there and I would I would
climb up there and I would. It was like a
regular thing for me. And I answered her, I said,
it's the space people. Mom. I'm singing and waving to
the space people. And so this is I think kaya
My mom knew, you know, I mean my safe place
when I was a little kid. You know, I'd make

(07:49):
a fort with books like children will do, but I
would always find the Time Life books with satellites and
pictures of Jupiter and Saturn and you know, so outer
space was my safe place and I would build my
little fortress with that and play army men or what
have you. So she knew there was something different about me,

(08:10):
I think, and I think maybe there was a reason
why she nineteen sixty three, I was getting ready to
go to school, kindergarten. I was getting ready to go
to my kindergarten class, sat down for corn flakes, and
my mom sits down across from me. Now, I'll never
forget this ever, it's such a distinct memory. She sat

(08:35):
down and she said, so, son, well, you know that
I used to work for Howard Hughes, and you know
everybody knows that, but I had a really strange job
that people don't know about. And she started talking with me,
and the more she spoke, it was like she was
speaking with another adult, so it really caught my attention.
She wasn't using, you know, like the baby kind of

(08:57):
talk language that you would talk to your kid in. Yeah,
she told me they took her out without giving her
any preamble, no warning, to the middle of nowhere. She
said it was the Great American Desert. And I was
never able to get for her to say exactly which
doesert have some suspicions, but that they took her out

(09:17):
to the middle of the Great American Desert, and she said,
and I'm looking around and the only thing that was
there was this shack. She said. It was a concrete shack,
like a bunker. I don't think she used the word bunker.
That she used concrete shack, and she said it maybe confused.
I didn't know if they were taking me out to
look at tractors or what the heck could be out there,

(09:39):
you know, some water pump. I didn't know. But it
was all locked up, and they sent me with security guys.
She said that they opened this thing up and the
only thing that was in this bunker was an elevator,
and the elevator, of course, there was no upstairs to it.
This was like a low slung bunker, one story. So

(10:02):
she knew that they were taking her somewhere that was underground.
So she said that she got in the elevator. She
felt a little nervous, but she thought maybe it would
be a floor or two. And she said, you know,
it scared me. I felt butterflies in my stomach.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
She did use kind of baby language in some ways.
I mean, vertigo is what she felt. She said that
I felt butterflies in my stomach because this elevator kept going.
And later on she actually said in so many words
that it was a mile under the desert when the
doors opened up. She said, when the doors of the

(10:40):
elevator opened up, there was a little city down under
the desert floor. She said that there were German rocket
scientists that were working there, a lot of German rocket
scientists yep. And something interesting. Werner von Braun would sometimes
come on Disney or something when I was a kid,
and Mom say, that's my friend Warner. I you know,

(11:03):
worked with him sometimes and he was a very sweet man.
She said. He used to call me Betty Grace. That
was her first name. In her middle name like it
was my you know, like one name or a pet name. Yeah,
so I guess my mom, you know, was friends with
the wardrophone Braun, which is strange and.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's daring, daring to yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
But going back to sixty three when she sort of
did her disclosure number, she said, so, but then there
there were people that stayed down there for long periods
of time. They had cafes. She said that they had
one little place that was done like a French cafe
with umbrellas over the table. And she laughed and she said,

(11:48):
and I always thought that was funny because you don't
need an umbrella in a cave, but there, you know,
they had umbrellas over these tables. She said that there
was a they had a beauty part. Well, no, they
had a barber shop, but she said the guy in
the barbershop could do my hair for me. And looking
back at what she said years later, it's like, well, yeah,
I mean it's not like you're going to wait until

(12:09):
you're at work and you're you know, mile underground to
have your hair done if you're you know, just visiting.
So she apparently worked, you know, worked there for stretches
of time.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you'd have that set up if you sort of that.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
She said, they got around in golf carts and and
then she after telling me all this crazy stuff, she
finished the conversation. She said to this, then, I know
that you love outer space and you're always talking about
space people, and she said, I just want you to
know that we are not alone. We already know that

(12:45):
we are not alone in the universe. They've already made contact.
And she said, UFOs are actually a real thing. You're
you're going to hear about this, but it's a real thing.
They're never going to tell people about it. But your
mom worked in this uh, this situation. Get ready for

(13:07):
school and I'll see you in a couple of hours.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, don't supple that one mom yet. Okay, oh wow?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
And she that was you know, she never really brought
this up again until I was ten years old. She
did bring it up because her aunt was forced. She
she apparently thought that I was young enough that I'd
forget about this, and I think that this, you know,
later on, you know, she would talk about the non
disclosure agreements she'd signed, and she later on in her

(13:39):
life and she worked as a as a headhunter for
corporate a corporate headhunter for aerospace companies, Lockey, Raytheon, oh
who else, just all the all the main grw all
the main aerospace p people. And I think that maybe

(14:02):
the reason why was because she had held on to
her her secret clearances. Nowadays, I don't think people know,
you know everything about the phenomenon because they compartmentalize everything.
But this was back in the early cold Cold War days.

(14:23):
Mom then she she But anyway, I went to school,
we used to it was fourth grade. I was ten
years old, and on Fridays we would have show and tell,
and this one particular Friday, what do you what does
your what do your parents do? And I talked about
my dad and I talked about his land escaping business,
and the kids were not very excited about it, and

(14:43):
they're kind of yawning, and and then something took over
and I said, well, let me let me tell you
about my mom. Let me tell you about her old job.
And I told them everything that she told me, and
the kids they started teasing me, like they put like
little Martian antennas behind my head with their fingers, you know,

(15:06):
and they go ooh, and you know, early UFOs. And
it became kind of a, I guess disruptive. And my
teacher did a parent teacher conference with my mom and
I didn't even know. I didn't know what was about.
But I'm at school playing on the monkey bars again,

(15:26):
and my mom comes out and she doesn't look very happy,
and she's very quiet. And we walk out to the
car and she said, Son, she's trying to drive driving
home and it's only a mile away, and she's having
a little trouble doing it. She said, Son, I'm not
mad at you. It's like, oh, I'm not mad at you.

(15:48):
You didn't know that what you were doing was wrong.
It wasn't wrong, I mean, you know, except that you
can't ever ever talk about And then she said, my god,
how did you remember you were just a baby, And
she kind of comports herself again, and then she says,
you can't talk about the little city under the desert.

(16:12):
How did you remember that, you know? And I told her,
I said, I wasn't a baby. I was five years old,
you know.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I remember. It's funny because she thought that I would
forget the little She said, you.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Can't talk about UFOs And she said, if you talk
about this, I talked about the whole thing this story.
I just told you. I told my class and she said, son,
I could go to prison if you ever talk about this.
I signed things where I was not supposed to talk,
and I wasn't supposed to tell you, not anybody. But

(16:48):
I thought you were young enough that you would forget,
but obviously you didn't. She was very careful. She never
told my sister about that work. She did tell my
son a little bit about working for Howard Hughes, but again,
you know, I mean, I think that. And later on
I spoke with somebody recently who was a DoD guy,

(17:11):
and this guy claimed he said, well, I've read your
mother's file, and I just want you to know your
mother didn't lie to you, and you'd be very very
proud of your mom. You'd be very proud of what
she did. She was serving her country. And I asked him,
I said, well, okay, so if you can, what else

(17:31):
can you tell me? She has a file, what can
you tell me? And he said it's still sealed. I can't.
I could get in trouble as telling you as much
as I did. And that was kind of.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Years later, my mom we went to see Star Wars
and she got talking at the end of that film. Again,
this was when I was about nineteen years old. She
was back in her old part of town, sort of
Santa Monica, where she was living when she was working
for Hughes. She had gotten cancer a few times, which

(18:07):
finally took her life in nineteen ninety nine. Six times
she had cancer and they were all unrelated cancers. She
but anyway, back in nineteen seventy seven, I accompanied her
to her oncologists. She got a you know, clear cancer,
you know, no cancer. And we went to see Star

(18:27):
Wars since we were out, and she started talking again
and she said, well, son, you have no idea how
close to the truth that film is. Star Wars is
not far fetched? Those were her words. She said, it's
not far fetched. She said, the different beings, the different spaceships,
all that, it's really like that out there. But they're

(18:47):
never ever going to tell They're never going to tell
the public. And being a nineteen year old, kind of
obnoxious kid, you know like, well, why the hell not?
Why would they tell us that? That's kind of one
of those basic things. You know, what happens when I
die is they're a goden? Are we alone in the universe?
And She said, they're afraid of how people will react.
They'll react badly. She brought up the War of the

(19:09):
World's radio broadcast and how people barricaded themselves up. And yeah,
when my mom passed away, I knew I wasn't going
to be hearing any more about this from her. And
it was always this big, giant, fifty foot question mark
for me, you know. And I heard about Mofon. I
actually watched the Hangar one TV show that they had,

(19:32):
which I thought was very, very good.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
And I've seen that one. I've heard that m excellent.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Show and it was produced by I move On. It
was all moofon cases, and I'm seeing these guys, you know,
field investigators, and you get cases and you use a
scientific method as close as possible. You can't repeat a
UFO experiment, right scientific, Yeah, yeah, proper, you know, But

(20:01):
that's how I became. I joined Moufan, I became a
field investigator, and I just took to it like a
fish to water. And my mom was wrong. It's not
realer than I know. I know how real this phenomenon is.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
I can't now I must watch I haven't seen that
excellent show.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
You know, they produced two seasons, and I think that
the guys that at History Channel, they wanted them to
like augment the cases a little bit, make them more exciting,
like a UFO citing or abduction or something isn't crazy
and wild enough. And I think that that was part
of the reason why there wasn't a season three, because

(20:48):
they really really wanted to stick with exactitude and the facts.
You know, the facts. But that's how I became a ufologist,
and I have over a thousand k pieces that I've
personally investigated now, so I will use the term ufologist
after my name. I guess I think figure there.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I love the word you follow jest, it's lovely. So
when when you were younger, then when you were playing
outside then and you're talking to the spacement, So would
you share any of that with your mom?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, she saw me doing that and she saw that,
you know, I mean, my my idea of play would be,
you know, make a control panel, draw it with crans
and put it on the wall and push buttons to
go to Jupiter or at different stars. And later on
I found out that my mom was pregnant with me
when she was working underground for you so I don't know,

(21:45):
maybe something something that.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I heard a growing inside. Oh wow, all I.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Want to jump in. I can. I can so vibe
with you on that. Like when I was little, I
found a little all satellite dish in the trash in
my neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, that doesn't surprise me, right.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I dug it out of my neighbor's trash and I
mounted it on my jungle gym because I made a
little spaceship.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Wow, that's why you're really weird. Then I see it.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Then't surprised me at our races.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
You know, when you were saying about your mum going
into the desert and go into this sort of like
little place, a little little area, and she went into
an elevator when I got because you did the storming
at the area fifty one. But when I was arrested
at area fifty one, when I actually I did knock,
but the cameraman knocked on the door, and it all

(22:49):
went pear shaped as from then two came out. But
then they all came out, though I don't know how many.
There might have been maybe nine, ten, eleven guys, but
they came out from down below, coming up in an elevator.
There's no other way that they could have come up,
and they came up very quickly. So yeah, yeah, oh yeah, within.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Like you got past the guard shack somehow and.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Shit, yeah yeah with a BBC. But we're not talking
about me, we're talking about you. So yeah. So but no,
I can totally no, no, no, no, that's another time.
But I can totally understand a little look like a
little garden shed, two guys sitting in there, eating spaghetti,
watching baseball, knocking on the door, blah blah blah. Anyway,
but yes, so I understand they come up from from

(23:37):
down there. So I find it interesting that for you.
So when you were watching things and talking to somebody
a spaceman outside, were you not were you having experiences
that you can recollect as well?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know, I don't know. I think that it was
just some in neat thing that I had with me.
I think that somehow I just knew I always, you know,
in the way I would think about life and outer space.
I mean, the only real example on television that a
kid would see would be like the Great Gazoo on
the Flintstones. You know, even the Jetsons didn't have aliens

(24:18):
on it. But somehow or another, I just knew that
they were there and I was waving and and you know,
we find and later on in life I did have
I've had a couple of experiences, uh you know, one
with entities and once a close encounter with a craft.
I would love to in both situations, especially with a craft.

(24:42):
I was driving to work. It wasn't like I was,
you know, having paralysis. No, I was just on the
street here. I was driving to my nursing job. I
retired from being a hands on nurse four years ago.
But I was driving to to a home care case
that I had, and I saw this thing hovering over

(25:05):
this school yard, a V shaped, boxy looking craft. It
wasn't pretty, it wasn't lit up with LUTs, but it
was massive tonnage that was hanging over this maybe thirty
thirty five feet over this school yard.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
And when I was.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
A school yard, they seemed to like school yards. The
first thing being a good a good trained observer for
moof on. I'm thinking, okay, so how did the students
hoax this? What did they hang that on? And how
they do it? Yeah, I'm looking for tethers. I'm figuring
no there was there was nothing that you could tether
this up with.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And the closer I got to it, you could see
that this thing had mass that it was it was
heavy heave yeah. But and it wasn't you know, It's
not like I had a rocket engines or you know.
I mean, it was not moving. It was just sitting
there for a break.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I've been told off. We gotta go for breaks to
sit there in the sky because they will stay there
for you for a minute. We're going to go for
a h jentlemen, so and we will be back with
El Gray and his encounter over Schoolyard.

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Speaker 3 (28:35):
Welcome back to the unex Network and this is Naked
Truth and we have oh Gray, Oh Gray, not for drink,
real official el Gray? Hi, El okay, So we are
you a going to.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Seddie Anderson under the end of it?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I know, okay, because obviously gray we spell gray like
that here in England, but you spell it with an A.
So I think I didn't know how that one then, yeah,
kind of.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I uh, there's a whole story behind that, you know.
As a musician, and Earl Anderson was such a common
netwell Anderson was such a common name, and then people
would say, oh, I get it, you're naming yourself after
Ian Anderson of jeth o'tull right, you know. And then
there was another like an R and B singer that

(29:22):
was in l a And we played the same venue.
It was kind of solo acoustic stuff I do a
lot of, you know, as well, there you go. It
was at my place in Santa Monica. It's where I
used to play. It was pretty popular in the nineties

(29:42):
and I think they might have closed doors in the
early two thousands, but this was going back. But they
had another guy who had a similar name to mine
that played Judas and Jesus Christ Superstar and he was
pure R and B jams. Well, they mixed up our
names on the Marquee twice. They did it twice. I

(30:05):
live in Santa Monica, so I couldn't go and say, hey,
you guys need to change that. So I come up,
I go to my gig and there are all these
people expecting to hear an R and B guy, you know,
I you know, the wrong color, the wrong everything to
do with. He was doing so beautifully, you know, and
the same thing they screwed up. They put my name

(30:27):
on for his show one night. So that's I thought
I needed. I need a stage name. And I was
working on one of my fishing clients. They wanted tea. Yeah,
the Earl grat.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Thinks it's so fantastic. It's very the in things. Great,
it's the thing. It's like he didn't like thirty years ago.
Now yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
And for me, you know, it wasn't I was thinking
of the tea. It was Earl Gray. T know. It
was a client's cupboard, you know, they wanted a cup
of tea, and I'm looking at the box. I'm like,
that's you know, and so and it stuck though and
here I am, you know, all these years later, and

(31:16):
my grandkids even call me Earl Gray. So I had to,
you know, but I sort of wanted to get my
actual name in there. And it's actually you know, working
as a eufologist, you know. And the great part, you know,
it's fun. It makes me not take myself that seriously
and it's something that it's a fun anecdote. But now
I try to use it. But it works, I think,

(31:38):
you know, Gray Aliens and it sort of has a
nice flow like Hans Christian Anderson or you know.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
So as I think as we went into a break,
I was sort of like thinking about your mum's past
and you going into move On and you having the
experience that you talk about with above the school, which
you'll carry on, and then another experience. I you know,
if I look back at other people's experiences, it's kind

(32:10):
of or people. It's a bit like I had Katie
on last two weeks ago, and she was, you know,
for the ranch that she was living at and the
history behind the fact that she has documented everything, and
everything was documented before as well. I just think it's

(32:32):
we are where we're meant to be because of our
past as well and now and it all helps us,
doesn't it. And it's just quite amazing that your mum's
background then you went into state director for move On.
I mean the reports that you must have read. I
mean that that today I was sort of like looking

(32:53):
through some books and things, you know, and I was thinking,
you know, you know, back in the days that you
had the old the reports with like the scoop marks.
You don't hear about scoop marks anymore. You know, you
don't really hear too much about the alien implants anymore.
You know that there's sort of like all of the

(33:15):
old cases. But because I remember the move on questionnaire
because I filled it out. I remember telling you I
filled it out and sent it to wal Andreas because
he was he was. Was he the state director of
California at the time. I think he was.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Wal Andrews started move On and a couple of other
John Schessler and a handful of others. He was one
of the progenitors of moved On.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, he was. I dealt with him for quite a bit,
and me and you have spoken about it. We said
that we might be able to find my original report,
which would be absolutely amazing. But because it was quite
a big page to report, if I remember, was it
like four pages or something like that? Four page report
quite in depth. Wasn't a lot to be able to
draw on and things like that. But what you must

(34:04):
read must be are they Are we all quite unique
in our in our sightings from I mean, obviously you're
not going to say name names or anything like that,
but are we all quite unique what we bring to
the tablast stories in our encounters?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yes and no, Yes and no. I see certain repeating
patterns and we look for markers, especially in move Fonds experience.
A resource team that that I'm an executive member of
and I love that.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Does that involve what does that involve?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Nominology? We are actually a resource group for people that
don't have don't know where to go, and we can
talk about that a little bit. But you know, when
I had a contact episode, maybe a year or less
after I had become a field investigator, there wasn't a
whole lot you know, move funds, moufun was kind of

(35:02):
nuts and bolts. A lot of moo funds just was
nuts and bolts, eufology, and I suffered from great ontological shock.
I mean, I guess I brought it on myself. I
went into a meditative state, naive earl, you know, and
I kept sending out this message, I want to meet you. Well,

(35:22):
when it happened, I didn't really expect that it would work,
and I got all the bells and whistles. I mean,
you know, the odds effect took place, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Above the school. No, but I will tell you they're one, Okay, they.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
All blend together. And this is something that I learned
when I had the sighting by the school. I believe
that I was targeted. I don't think it was a
random thing. I think that it was another visit maybe
they even took me. But I don't know. I mean,
I didn't have any missing time. But I think that
our visitors are masters of time, space and matter, and

(35:58):
two seconds for you can be two hours for them.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
But I have no recall of that. But I do
have a recall.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Because I actually said about alien errors as well, because
obviously that comes into it as well. Yeah, okay, Well.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
The closer I got to this craft and I'm driving.
It's six thirty in the morning. It's not you know,
it's not nighttime. It's it's you know, a daytime sighting.
And at first, when I first saw it, I was
maybe four hundred feet away or not alone from it,
and I'm thinking properly, I'm thinking, oh, what, how did

(36:37):
they hoax this? And then I realized it's not a hoax,
This isn't tethered up. This is a real deal. But
I start time started getting strange. Sounds became muffled outside
of my card where you couldn't hear any external sounds.
It was almost like they created this bubble where this
experience could take place. By the time I was close

(36:58):
to enough, By the time I was close enough to
it to I mean, I would have had the smoking
gun of video and photo and I know what to do.
You know, I called up the Star team at move
On and.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
It got more eyes on it called fake media.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
You know this wasn't fake, this was the real this.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
No, they would say it's fake the photograph or somethingank you.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh maybe, yeah, maybe people might have I don't know. Well,
there's a reason why you don't get a lot of
close up photos because they run the narrative and when
you get close to one. For myself, it felt like
both then and when I had a contact experience with
entities some years before, I experienced the same pattern of

(37:43):
and they call it the os effect, which was a
British eupologist, Jenny Randalls came up with that terminology because
it is a little bit like going into oz or
the rabbit Hole, or Dorothy opening up the door or
the Wizard of and suddenly it's color and strange and
you know, your syentthes are heightened. That was the way

(38:07):
it was for me. I felt almost like I keep
on bringing up these movies, but like you know in
Star Wars with a Jedi mind trick where they say,
you know you don't want these droids and then the person.
You know, what I realized was the closer I got
to this craft, the more psychologically affected by this I was.

(38:34):
I wasn't really under my own cognizance. I started instead
of pulling my car over, taking photographs and doing all
the stuff I've been trained to do, theodolite photos. I
have the app for that, you know, on my phone.
I didn't even think of my phone. It was like
it didn't exist. And this is very frustrating. The closer

(38:55):
I got to it, the most important thing in the
world was, Oh my god, I'm going to be late
to work. I spent all my life wanting to see
one of these. It would be like, you know, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Just so I have a little time for this guy's
go away, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Mean I was, And now I was like thirty feet
away from this thing. It was the size of a
fighter plane. It was very boxy looking, it was in
the shape of a v. It was hanging there inexplicably
perfectly silent. Time seemed weird, seemed slowed down somehow, and
I was not being rational. I was not under my
own cognizance. Instead of stopping my car, I drove past

(39:38):
that miracle as fast as I could. Last thing I
did was I turned my head. I looked at it.
And this is why I think maybe something more happened,
because I turned my head to look at it again.
It should have been thirty feet away. Now it was
like a mile away. It was ten times its original size.
So this thing had suddenly shape shifted or bec different somehow,

(40:01):
or maybe it was a different craft altogether. There was
like maybe a time discontinuity that happened. So perhaps they did,
I don't know. Maybe they took me. Maybe they took me,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
And not a few different angles. You saw it from
a few different accents, so you're seeing it as you approach,
and then as you're going past, you're seeing it from
another angle, and then as act.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
But it was it was impossible what it did. It
was suddenly a mile away, and and it was like
ten times. It was almost the size of like a
it was like the size of a football field. You know,
you hear that expression.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
A lot exactly, Yeah, totally yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
And I drove. I kept driving. I was about three
miles further away from where that was where I saw it,
when suddenly I you could hear external sounds again. Everything
seemed normalized. And I was so aggravated and angry at myself,
and I pulled my car over. I get out, and
of course there's nothing there now the action was over,

(41:05):
and I'm like face palming, you know, just I'm the
worst uphologist in the world. I just had the smoking
gun video and photo and everything, and I you know,
but I was afraid of being late to work. I
didn't even put in a fun case report because I
was in when I had time to think about it,

(41:26):
time to ruminate on it. Other cases have come to
me where it's been similar for people, and I realize
now that there's nothing I could have done that they
were running that narrative.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
So that was my UFO citing the only one that
I've ever had, you.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Know, I've then go back and then before that one,
you had beings.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
You said, Yes, that was after I had been working
for MUFON for about a year, about a year, and
I had some cases under my belt and I was
trying to see five thing. But I wasn't messing around.
I didn't want to see like a little light in
the sky. I wanted to see and I'm thinking, you know,

(42:11):
tall Nordics or something, you know, some nice aliens, and
maybe they'll give me a secret, yes, the universe or whatever. Yeah.
But I went upstairs to our little bungalow and my
wife was already and this was the first time I
ever experienced the oz effect. I'm leaning back on. I

(42:32):
had a bunch of pillows, I like the sleep semi recumbent,
uh and uh. I'm sort of lying down and the
walls starts swirling in front of me. Time became strange.
You couldn't hear external sounds. We had a cricket chorus
in our rafters, and suddenly the cricket concerto is nowhere

(42:56):
to be heard. It was perfectly silent, and they literally
came through the wall. It was beings. It was the
small grays. I scared me to death. They were not
being communicative with me, would not communicate to the best
of my knowledge. They took energy and maybe took blood.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
What makes you think?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
And they left the same way they came in. They
didn't walk. They it was like they were pulled backwards
through this portal, a hole that they came through in
the first place. What makes me think that they? Well,
I remember them putting twos on me, and I remembering
like I was going to pass out.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Okay, so I remember feeling like I was going to
pass out. Is that too passive?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Well? Later on I talked to a friend of mine,
a friend of mine that that's one of my interesting
friends worked at Skinwalker and stuff back in the day.
And I mentioned, well, it's weird they didn't take my
DNA and she said, well, what do you think your
blood is? That's the purest DNA can get, So maybe
they did want my DNA. But I didn't have scoop marks.

(44:03):
I mean, I didn't have and I mentioned that. I said, well,
we're no models, so maybe it was just like this
energy duck thing. And she said, well, no, there's other
ways that they take blood other than a needle. You know,
that's kind of human, uh, the human way of taking blood.
But as well, yes, I think that they're storing up

(44:26):
human DNA that may be afraid want to destroy ourselves,
and if we do, maybe they'll plant IS here again
once the radiation dies down. You know. I mean what
I know by all the many cases, the many many
experiencers I've spoken with, and we're talking about doctors and
psychologists and scientists and people that were Lockheed and people

(44:46):
that you know, these are these are all serious people
that have stories like my own.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
And yeah they're well, yeah, with great backgrounds as well.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
And when people are left with communication, it's usually three.
It's like I call it the trifecta of telepathic messages.
They will usually say, and this happens to military people.
A lot. A marine that was taken through Camp Pendleton
barrack roof to a craft. Another guy that was taken
through the decks of an aircraft carrier that you was

(45:22):
a corman on. They said that they had telepathic communication.
And what they're told was war is wrong. We don't
understand it. We don't understand why you do this to
each other. Nuclear war is insurvivable. So stop it, don't
try it. That's number one. Number two, stop trashing your
world like it's replaceable. It's not replaceable. This is a

(45:46):
beautiful world. It's your world. But you know, stop thinking
that you get another one, because this is it. And
number three is better yourselves. Raise your vibration. We hear
that a lot. Doctor Metitz kind of runs the ert
at mufon, you know, for the longest time, it's like,
what's this vibration thing? You know, you're thinking literally, you know,
they wanted people that had a dopamine deficiency and shaking yourself.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
No, it's not that if you can't take the pills
to get that vibration.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, but no, they it sounds it doesn't sound like
an invasion to me. It sounds like a concern for us.
And you turn on the news and I'm concerned for us,
and so maybe that's what all the DNA extraction was about.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Well, as you're here and your state director, so, like
I said, you've been through lots of questionnaires, well a
thousand reports of questionnaires. I wanted to know personally about
alien errors that I find quite interesting. What have you
come across with alien errors that they've made?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
You know, you hear stories of you know, even Kathleen
Martin talks about being taken and you know she is
an abductee contact experiencer, yes, And what she remembers is
that there was an apprentice who is being taught to,

(47:15):
you know, to bring the people through the window or
through the roof or however they would take them to
the craft, and that he screwed up and dropped her
on the table and it hurt her back and she
had to later go on and ask her because she
is a repeat visitee, she had to ask them, could
you please heal this because now I have horrible back

(47:37):
problems and you guys caused them, So that was an error.
I have one case of a guy who is a
bouncer at a club in Hollywood. His girlfriend finally left him.
I met him when he was heartbroke and he put
in a moof on report that he was being taken
through the roof of his apartment and his girlfriend witnessed it.

(47:58):
That physically happened and she saw him rising up as
soon as she broke off their relationship. But he was
dropped and when I met him, I have photos of
half of his body was a bruise, and he said
that they were trying to They were bringing him through
the ceiling like usual, but the ceiling was was not

(48:18):
semi permeable yet. It was like the hard ceiling, and
he slammed into it and went crashing back down onto
the bedframe. That sounds like a mistake. It's a little
bit like Kathy, but this guy had bruises over half
of his body. I mean you look like you'd been
in an industrial accident. I had to ask him, you know,
well what do you do? And he said, well, I'm

(48:39):
a bouncer at the club.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, so he's used to it. He's used to it.
He's a tough guy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
This guy was all built up and he he I
don't think anybody had beaten this guy up. But you know,
I mean this big guy with muscles. It's a bouncer
in the clubs and he's kind of crying there.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Do you at those mistakes in some ways to to
to make you either remember.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Or to.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
They do it deliberately for a reason.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
You know, I can't answer that one.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I mind. Yeah, it's just been on my mind because
it's like you don't really well you hear you do.
I haven't heard of anybody been I haven't heard of
anybody being crashed down onto a bed and broken anything.
So that's new to me.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
But you know, like you think you're here to hurt us,
but you do run into people now where it seems
like repeat visits or or if you're too close to
a UFO too many times, and things like that that
we do see kind of an unfortunate tendency for people

(49:55):
to have like immune system problems or sometimes MS like problems,
nervous system problems. I mean, I had to stop working
as a nurse because after my first encounter, my feet
start going none like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic.

(50:16):
And they tried to figure out it's like, well, maybe
it's one of your discs is pinching something. And they
went through the whole elaborate thing a's neurologist of putting,
you know, electrical shocks through my whole body to try
to pinpoint it, and they could never figure out what
the origin of it was. It hasn't gotten worse, it's
just kind of the same. But that I sort of

(50:36):
kind of attribute to possibly having had that close contact.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
You see, I never really thought about the repercussions. I mean,
I know that I that I suffered from radiation. Uh yeah,
I hear that a lot a lot of people and
that yeah. And I totally told my doctor the yeah,
I had a ufphone encounter. But in my under the hypnosis,

(51:02):
well I'll either call it Jane or I'll call it Kelly.
Under the hypnosis, she was put in the back seat.
And then then as I'm then driving away. You know,
she's now in the in the front seat next to me,
but in the hypnosis she was put in the back seat.
So I just find it what other It just intrigued me,

(51:22):
what sort of like, what other errors that they have made.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
But I think they're God's They're they're you know that
they're more advanced than we are. Their technology is obviously
more advanced. It's like magic. I mean I think of
our you know. Yeah, he said any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, that's a great line, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
My favorite court And it's true, it seemed like magic.
Both times that I've had contact, and I will say
close to a craft or the beings, I experienced the
same effects the same time, violation.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Like it in this world and I knew And that's
a great little pun, but there isn't is. It's just
remarkable and it's beyond comprehension. And I understand why you
didn't want to take your camera out, or if even
if you had your camera there, because it's so like
it is. Everyone's going to say it's so personal, and

(52:27):
it's like if everybody you know, it's not about that,
it's about you. It's about what you're witnessing. It's your
and all of the thoughts going around in your head.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I think if they're far enough away from you, you
can get off a photo because I know a few people,
one guy in the UK that has a beautiful photo
of a flying saucer going into a portal and I
mean it's like this black smoking kind of thing. The
Rex hefl and UFO, I will, I can. We'll talk

(53:00):
later about that.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
And you've got a few minutes. You've got a couple
of minutes to tell me whatever you want to tell me.
You've got two minutes. No, well, it is a lot everything. Bagel,
I have a lots bagel and cream cheese. Please, thank
you very much. I'd be lovely. I love I know.

(53:23):
Are you're part of the Hollywood Disclosure you are you
doing that with Steve Bassett. We've got a picture of
you Stet actually Okay, welcome aboard, welcome board. So what
will you? And you're going to be speaking at MOUF
one this year as well, aren't you at the I'm.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Speaking both at the symposium that's in July and in
Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. UH and I'm also speaking at
Contact in the desert, which is there.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah, Katie Nicks there, Rich, Everyone's there, aren't they.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, yeah, I know, it'll be good to finally meet Well,
I've met Rich a couple of times and it'll be
nice to have a little time there to hang out.
And he's another dear friend of my dear dear friend,
Peter Ruttens.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
So oh, I know he's my di. I've got Peter
on next week. I've got Peter on next week. He's
I went for me, I certainly will. But when I
went to go with Nick Pope to Bud Hopkins, obviously
that's where I met Peter. Yeah, he's such a love
as well, he is such a love and actually yeah,

(54:33):
so well it's good. We've had ours canceled here in England,
our UFO conference, which is very sad. So there are
a few people in the in the background trying to
make some noise to trying to do something else and
hopefully fingers crossed there are things that are going to
be put into place, but I know it's just mainly America. Well,

(54:58):
it's funny because I was listening podcast these two guys
talking goes, well, there's nothing really ever happens in England
and I'm thinking, where have you been for the last
thirty years? I'm the rest you know which you know.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I write a riper column for the Outer Limits magazine.
That's the UK the Grave Files. So if you guys
go to Outer Limits magazine you can read my regular
column there. And every two months he publishes bi monthly
and I present another case. This month, I diverted a

(55:34):
little bit. I talked about the arable Arrow report that
Sean Kirkpatrick released as he left the building, like.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Talk about that yet a lot of too.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
I was very angry. The editor of Outer Limits. He
had to calm some of my language down. He was
a for litigation because I was not happy at all,
mister Kirkpatrick.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
But they swear around, so don't worry about it. I
don't think I've sworn tonight. I usually do. I've got
a total pop now, so I think we are going
to have to go now. So I'm really really no, no, no, no,
Thank you so much, earl. Thank you so much for
being a part of coming on to my show. Have

(56:18):
a fantastic rest of the year. And yeah, I know
that you're going to be super busy. Anybody can see
the link for Earl. Click on to Earl's link and
that will go on to his Facebook page. Maybe that
I can add to this description your move on. I
think I did. Actually I'm not sure. Yeah, okay, I

(56:39):
shall go and do that in a minute. All right. Listen, guys,
thank you ever so much for being here and listening
to Earl and Earl's encounters and Earl's history within neufology
and being an amazing euthologist for move On. Thank you Earl.
And next week we have Peter Robbins because it was
canceled last week, so see you later. All the good

(57:01):
fun guys are here, see you later, and girls, thank
you bye.