March 15, 2023 • 38 mins
On the night of Kelly Cochran's wedding, her husband Jason forced her to agree to a pact: That if she ever cheated on him, she'd have to kill the man she cheated with. That pact would result in the deaths of at least 9 people.
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My Brightest Diamond: Lover Killer
Resources:
• FOIA files
• Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201805/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-female-psychopaths
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This is a studio both and production. How many butterfly tattoos do you have?
Ten? And was it your testimonyFriday that each wanted these tattoos represents
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somebody specially basted in your life?Yes? Who are you going fairy laers?
Are you denying now the usual achievegizzle that butterflies all re courses and
that's how you want them? I'mthat denying. I an idea about it
was, why why don't you tellher that each one of those butterfly at
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tattoos listen or someone especially lost?And you're like, I do the butterflies
d keep the true number of people? I don't know. Did you also
talk quisom on that discussion on mysixteenth of the jail that you picked your
victims by opportunity? Well saying discussionwhere you told her you had hanside of
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thoughts your entire life, that shedidn't have any feelings, that she didn't
have any worse and then she pickedyour victims a visis of opportunity. I
might have said that we're taught tofear strangers, to look out for the
unknown, to keep our eyes onthe unfamiliar. It's what made Israel keys
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so terrifying a completely unattached stranger whodidn't care who you were. But more
often than not, the ones weshould fear the most, the ones most
likely to do us harm, arethe ones closest to us. The only
thing scarier than having to protect yourselffrom the stranger that broke into your home
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is having to protect yourself from theperson you willingly let in, the person
you know like love. That's what'sso terrifying about Kelly Cochrane. According to
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Kelly Cochrane, on the night ofher wedding, her new husband Jason forced
her to agree to a pact thatif she ever cheated on him, she
would have to murder the man shecheated with, or else Jason would murder
her. And conversely, if Jasonever cheated, he would have to kill
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the woman he cheated with. Nowa lot can be said and speculated about
this pact. How did it happen? Did it even happen at all?
Was it a defense strategy or theimpetus for what was to come. On
our wedding night, my husband madethe statement that if either one of us
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were to cheat on the other,we would have to kill the signor or
even other person or the stuff wouldhave to talk. Path we had wedding
night was OSSA packed means there's anagreement to something like a contract. This
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was stated by my husband on ourwedding night. Um did I take it
serious? No? U would Ithink something like that to be said to
you know, everything at the beginningwas normal, or to what most people's
idea normals to hear that. Ithought it was a joke. Didn't take
it seriously. What we're expected tobelieve though, according to confessions from Kelly
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herself, is between their wedding onSeptember fourteenth, two thousand and two,
and Kelly's arrest on April twenty eighth, two sixteen, Kelly murdered at least
nine people, including eventually Jason himself. Kelly and Jason grew up next door
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to each other in Meryllville, Indiana, a suburb just outside the greater metropolitan
Chicago area. Kelly was described asindependent, incredibly intelligent, and very outgoing.
Jason, four years her senior,was quieter, softer, friendly,
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but a bit awkward. Everyone whoknew them said they were the perfect match,
which is why it was no surprisewhen the pair married just several months
after Kelly's twentieth birthday. I amthirty four years old, um, the
oldest daughter of Melanie and Hilthy Coboyan. I've got three siblings, um,
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the oldest. UM. I havesome education background. I graduated from Marrible
High School two thousand, graduated fromKurdue University. Kell. You met in
two thousand and thirteen with the Bachelorsof Liberal Arts. Okay, what was
that supporter specialty per psychology and sociotherking the minor aning like that. I
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did um forensics, um, andalso Spanish. Okay, So you're from
Indiana from also just briefly a littlebit up the area you grew up at.
Um. I grew up in technicallyit was Marrible, Indiana. It
was later on Ganics to Olbard,Indiana. Same street. Um, it's
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I believe the population is seventy thousands, so's a lot larger of an area
than this, um busy area.And we grew up pretty basic upbringing.
Um. We raise the animals,um pretty much. Okay. Now,
soot you that gentlemanly well whose nameis Jason Coffer, who tell us tell
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us why about Jason on? Jasonhad been my new neighbor um since I
had moved into the house on MississippiStreet and maryble Um, I know it
in all my life. Our familyis pretty much you know, talk together
that we had cookouts together, okay, and it's growing up with you hang
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out with Jason not as much whenvery young, Um we had there was
a four year difference. He's fouryears older. We hung out. I
would say to my teams, itwould have been awkward for him to come
out with my queens. You know, when I was younger, so should
hung out maybe fifteen sixteen would sitmy botifiers and stuff more solely and that
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saying yes. Right after their wedding, Kelly and Jason started their own company
in Hobert, Indiana, servicing andcleaning pools. The company had several names,
including Exotic Pools and Better Backyards,but most notably the American Dream Company.
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According to Kelly's father, Jason wason disability and so Kelly did the
majority of the physical work for thebusiness. In fact, Jason would encounter
a slew of health problems in theyears following their wedding. Jason and stopped
working in two thousand and eleven.Um his issue was his back. Um.
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He had a back isssue once ina while, um, which is
caused him to not be able towork. He stopped working from that point.
I'm doing work from two thousand andeleven to really until what he didn't
work. I mean once in awhile he could do stuff, but that
was it exactly. You say,he hasn't a bad bad but he set
nimbuld, isn't able to still dothings. He was able to do anything.
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He wasn't nimbld when he had hehad he was that no societicookum which
would cause pain, you know,with a nervous pens in his final court,
which would go out on the loveside of his life, which would
cause the pain. I'm not sayingit didn't hurt. He was still able,
papable pretty much any pain anybody elsecould do. To give me an
example of somebody yard prod the yardyou would do it, or something like
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that that he didn't get too muchoutside its. He filed for disability and
didn't want. Following Jason's eventual death, Kelly began to make multiple claims that
despite his disability, Jason was quitecapable of physical work. She would also
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discuss at length Jason's many mental healthissues in both her interviews and testimony.
Jason suffered from severe depression and hadbeen institutionalized at least twice as an adult.
Additionally, Jason battled kidney cancer earlyin their marriage while in Indiana,
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something Kelly never brought up in hercourtroom testimony for reasons will get into in
a future episode. Needless to say, the cancer disabled Jason for approximately eighteen
months, leaving him unable to walkand, as he would strangely point out,
have sex. According to Jason,that cancer is what caused Kelly to
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stray from their marriage with both menand women, and according to records,
it also caused extreme financial hardships forthe pair. By twenty eleven, Kelly
and Jason were being sued by atleast three different companies for unpaid medical bills,
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which resulted in leans on their house, failures to appear in court,
and warrants for Kelly's arrest. Ultimately, Kelly was forced to pay several thousand
dollars in legal fees and restitution inlate twenty thirteen, which might account for
the Cochrane's sudden departure from Hobert toCaspian, four hundred miles away in the
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upper Peninsula of Michigan. In Januaryof twenty fourteen, when the Cochranes left
Indiana, they left many of theircourt ordered payment plans abandoned on points ob
sleeping. Had a few years youdecide to move up here to the Duchigan.
Can tell us about when that waswide all up here? Yeah,
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we moved up here, moved intothe house January twenty ninth, twenty fourteen.
Um, so sixty six March Street. Before this, we were having
more insues than we had at homein Indiana. Um. He decided that
we would move up here. Hepicked the state because he was able to
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grow here one on smoke here onelegally he grew it at home in Indiana,
but it was legal up here.Sure, Um there. I believe
there are are raisons, but Ican't be shown. Now. I think
you told me that you made uphere hoping maybe get a fresh start with
Jason's and maybe maybe James sing.We need the narrats. You're not characterizing
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them. What you said correctly?Correct? All right? That happened.
What happened when you first weeked upthere? He was more des um he
still wasn't had no intention to goingto work. I didn't work for two
months. I wasn't an unhardy toget back to work and had moneys they've
up, Um what wasn't unhurt?So I was at home more. But
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then I, you know, startedworking for work and I started working again.
What did you finally work out?First place was East Harder and I
am murdered, what would you dothere? Just tell us free, I
cash your make keys, cut class, help of different projects. Okay,
he said the first place he workedapplies that it was a starting advice and
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tell us about that. Yeah,that was the first place up here.
So I could place with mister T'srestaurant. And I remember, okay,
what would you do there? Iwas a server, um, waiting on
people. I was working there eveningswhen I was working at East Harber and
there are two mornings. At somepoint we got a job at deal Anderger.
You tell us about assume as Jeff, that kind of yeah, I
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kind at Oldenberg and in March thatwas definitely the kind of work I'd read
to you. Compared to the otherstuff. It was mor hands on,
fixing things, building things. Um, I got a call and mid May.
My orientation after the drug screen andthe physical was May twenty seventh,
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twenty fourteen. Wells specifically, whatdo you say to fix things? And
may things? I don't know ifthey test pecific? Would you'd be doing
there? My job there was electricalassembly. We would you know, follow
through blueprints and you put the electricalwires and connection just make connections on some
of my own machines and just putthings together. Can you said, had
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a dreadcast there? Presumably past thatbroadcast? I did, and so it
will be fair stare all the timeyou want using drugs. The last time
I had used anything before the drugtest was probably six months prior, and
it was marijuana. Why was that? Things? Want to do it?
Or what was what? Inline?I'd quit us? I knew I'd have
to take a dry tests. Sohow are these other jobs? Did you
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keep them as well? On misterTeas and the saw or he is Harper.
I did end up quitting on Iwant to say it, the end
up king him that for certain ofthe date because I couldn't keep off my
jobs. But I did keep misterCheese and Oldenburg. Oldenburg and I started
working forty was sixty hours a week, and I was doing Mister Cheese at
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night, and then it was toomuch because I was getting up at three
in the morning working there until youknow. My ship was five five day
until three pm. Um, youknow, so I had to work from
that time and then I'd usually startfour five o'clock at mister Cheese, Um,
mister Cheese. I got fired fromthem, um, for they said
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it was was my attendants and thefacts. Yes, several times, several
days there I told the one toI didn't go to. I went down
to India to do some side workfor Upon their arrival to the Upper Peninsula,
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Kelly was essentially working around the clockto keep the pair afloat, especially
in light of a trail of debtthat followed them and Jason's either unwillingness or
inability to work, depending on whoyou ask. However, it wasn't solely
Jason's medical expenses that were a drainon their finances. Kelly has admitted on
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multiple occasions to being a frequent druguser. She habitually used everything from marijuana
to prescriptions like xanax and Vikaden,to party drugs like ecstasy and GHB,
and even harder drugs like heroin andcocaine. And while throughout the investigation into
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Kelly and the ensuing trial, shewould say she used drugs as an escape
from her troubled marriage, records indicatethat she actually began abusing drugs long before
she and Jason became romantic. Andthis is one of the more remarkable and
terrifying things about Kelly Cochrane. Notonly was she working around the clock in
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Caspian and remodeling her new house whileabusing party designer and hard drugs. Earlier
in life, she managed to graduatefrom high school with honors while doing the
same and barely even attending class.Kelly was repeatedly reprimended for her severe attendance
issues and school and later in lifeat all of her jobs. Knowing what
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I know now about Kelly, it'sabsolutely terrifying to think about what she could
have achieved if she had actually appliedherself, which is a funny thing to
say forebodingly about someone. Instead,she partied, and according to multiple reports
and lawsuits, she paid for thatpartying through theft. You're the one who
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was the amist, that's what yousaid that In fact, in the midst
of her legal battles over Jason's medicaldebts, Kelly registered corporate filings for a
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non profit ironically called Unconditional Love andHope. Unconditional Love and Hope wouldn't dissolve
for three years, but in itslifetime has a very questionable record at best,
a record will be exploring in afuture episode. All this is to
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say, Kelly Cochrane is a goddamnliar, and unlike Keys, who generally
lied to avoid talking about things hedidn't want to talk about, Kelly lied
just to lie. She lied toprotect herself. She lied to derail the
investigation. She lied to make herselflook stronger, better, smarter. She
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lied to scare people. She liedjust to lie, which is why the
case of Kelly Cochrane is so incrediblymurky. There's what she initially told law
enforcement happened. There's what Jason saidhappened. There's what she told law enforcement
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happened during a second round of interviews. There's what Jason's manuscript says happened.
Yes, we have another manuscript onour hands. There's what physical evidence says
happened. There's what Kelly's attorneys sayhappened. There's what Kelly's friends and family
say happened. There's what Kelly saidhappened in third, fourth and fifth interviews,
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and then there's what Kelly has saidboth privately and publicly since being sentenced
to life plus sixty five years inprison. And all of those stories are
wildly different. Here is what wedo know. Two months after the Cochrane's
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moved to the Upper Peninsula, Kellygot a job in neighboring Iron River working
for the Oldenburg Group, a globalsupplier of metals, mining materials, and
military defense products, where Kelly workedas an electrical assembler. And even though
Kelly was high by Oldenburg in lateMarch of twenty fourteen, she didn't actually
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start working at the plant until Maytwenty seventh, due to a required drug
test and a physical, both ofwhich she was able to pass despite her
alleged drug abuse. I bring upthe delay in her start date only to
highlight how much Kelly got done inher first four and a half months at
Oldenburg. And by how much shegot done, I mean how much chaos
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she created, least of which wasgetting fired for you guessed it, attendance
issues. Now it has to besaid that what we now know about Kelly
cochrane, and the picture I paintedof her is not entirely reflective of how
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she was initially viewed. In IronCounty, Michigan. Kelly was extremely charis
attic and an incredibly hard worker.While she was using drugs, committing petty
theft, and running from debts andlawsuits, Kelly was also making friends and
supporting her community. In her neighborhoodand Caspian. She was known as a
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person who would mow her elderly neighbor'slawns, host bonfires, and lend a
hand to anyone who needed it.She was talkative and friendly and knew just
about everyone on her block. AtOldenburg, she was regarded as highly intelligent,
diligent, methodical, and a greatemployee. Whether it was just Kelly's
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nature or if it was methodical andmanipulative, Kelly knew how to make friends
and charm people, which might haveultimately been her downfall. Four months after
Kelly started working at Oldenburg, oneof her co workers, Chris Regan,
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disappeared. Chris was a supervisor andteam leader on the military assembly team at
Oldenburg. The fifty one year oldwas highly regarded by the executive team there,
which is why it came as abelow when on the morning of October
fourteenth of twenty fourteen, Chris announcedthat he'd accepted a new job in Asheville,
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North Carolina, and was moving thereto be closer to his two grown
sons. That morning, he toldhr that he needed to take the following
day off for a mandatory drug testfor his new job, but that he'd
be back at the plant on thesixteenth. Due to the unfortunate timing of
his disappearance, when Chris never returnedto Oldenburg, it was presumed that he'd
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just outright quit because of his pendingmove and new job. In fact,
Chris wasn't reported missing until October twentyseventh, thirteen days after he was last
seen. His good friend and exgirlfriend, Terry O'Donnell, reported to the
Iron County Police that she hadn't heardfrom Chris since six am on the fourteenth,
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when he called to let her knowthat he'd accepted the new job in
Asheville. Prior to that call,O'Donnell and Regan spoke almost daily, and
Terry hadn't been able to get intouch with him since. Fortunately, Iron
River Police Department Chief Laura Frizzo tookthe missing person's report seriously, which unfortunately
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is quite rare, and we'll getinto just how poor the general law enforcement
and media responses to missing men ina future episode. But that very night,
Chief Frizzo instructed Sergeant Cindy Barrett totake Terry to Chris's apartment to look
around. Terry had keys to theapartment because her parents owned the building Chris
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lived in. In fact, itwas Terry's proximity to Chris Regan and the
case in general that would initially derailthe investigation, because not only did Terry
report Chris missing and have access tohis apartment, she also knew where his
car had been abandoned for the twoweeks he'd been gone. Upon entry to
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Chris's apartment, it was clear hehadn't moved to North Carolina yet, as
some had initially suspected. He hadhalf packed boxes and to do lists throughout,
along with an unsigned job offer,prescription medication, and his computer.
After a preliminary search of the apartment, Terry told Sergeant Barrett that she'd seen
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Chris's car parked at a park andride facility four miles east of Iron River
in the extremely rural and forested townshipof Bates, and so the pair drove
directly for Regan's apartment to the parkand ride where his car had in fact
been abandoned. I have to emphasizehow incredibly rare it is in any missing
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person's case for this kind of searchand progress to be made within the first
two hours of a report being filed. Chief Frizzo and Sergeant Barrett took the
report seriously from the get go andtook immediate action. Terry O'Donnell went to
the police department prepared. She hadkeys to Chris's apartment, she had located
his car, she had all ofher fact street and all that preparedness on
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Terry's part resulted in her becoming theprime suspect and Regan's disappearance. The park
and ride where Regan's car was abandonedsits within a heavily forested mile of a
lake and several abandoned mines, andit's five miles in the opposite direction from
where Chris lived and worked in WestIron River. There was no plausible reason
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for Chris's car to be in theremote area. So while Terry had accidentally
made herself the prime suspect. Twoother theories were being floated by Iron River
police. One Chris had gotten lostin the nearby woods while hunting or fishing,
or two Chris had gone there todie by suicide. The suicide theory
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had pretty quickly been debunked. Everyonewho knew Chris said he was excited about
his new job and new move,that he looked forward to being closer to
his kids, that he was verymuch ready to get out of the Upper
Peninsula. So investigators focused on findingout Chris's last known whereabouts. While Search
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and Rescue searched the woods surrounding thepark and ride in Chris's abandoned car,
they found two pieces of possible evidence, a knee brace that Chris was required
to wear fall allowing a recent surgeryand very rarely took off, and handwritten
directions to sixty six Lawrence Street innearby Caspian, Michigan. While the search
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was being conducted, Frizzo and Barrettpulled Regan's financial records and found that his
last known transaction was on October fourteenth, at four thirteen pm at a gas
station and Iron River. They pulledsurveillance and were able to confirm that it
was Chris and Chris alone at thegas station that day. They also reached
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out to his new job in Ashevilleand discovered that Chris never went in for
his mandatory drug test on the fifteenth, and then they took a drive to
the Oldenburg Group, a drive thatwould drastically alter their investigation. Chris's HR
manager had a lot of new informationfor Chief Frizzo, but most of it
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wasn't about Chris, but rather oneof his co workers, a woman by
the name of Kelly Cochrane. Yeah, I first met him on the Daylight
interview, which was the twenty second. He was in one of six that
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did the higher think that was firsttime about but I would see him passing.
He was in the military assembly,so that was the section right behind
the electrical assembly, so you know, he passed through, made small talk
to that. We ended up talkingfor him. As gene Hr reported that
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Chris had a sterling reputation at Oldenburgand that when he never returned to work
on October sixteenth, it was aassumed he'd just left for his new job.
The only questionable information they had onChris were office rumors that he was
having an affair with a married coworker named Kelly, and there were other
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rumors about Kelly having an affair withone of Chris's subordinates, a man named
Eric Ericsson, and when asked aboutKelly herself, Hr told investigators that shortly
before Chris went missing, Kelly reportedthat her husband Jason had tried to kill
her and then himself. In lessthan a year and a half, two
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of the three men in Kelly's lifewould be dead. Following that trip to
Oldenburg, Terry O'Donnell was cleared,and two new theories surrounding Chris and Kelly
developed, one that a jealous EricEricsson killed Chris Regan or two that Kelly's
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jealous husband Jason Cochrane killed Regan andso. On October twenty sixth, the
Iron River Police headed to Jason andKelly Cochrane's house, located at sixty six
Lawrence Street in Caspian, Michigan.Their initial interviews with the Cochran's only fueled
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the theory that at least Jason wasinvolved in Regan's disappearance. In fact,
Jason was caught in a lie withinseconds of answering the door that night,
when asked if Kelly was home,Jason said no, and before Chief Frizzo
could finish asking where she was,Kelly emerged from an upstairs bathroom, and
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when Frizzo asked Jason why he lied, Kelly answered for him. In fact,
once Kelly came to the door,Jason barely said a word. He
stood awkwardly and quietly in the doorway, as Kelly told investigators that Jason was
just protecting her, that she washaving an affair with Chris, that she
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was worried when Chris stopped responding toher texts and calls, and then eventually
upset when she figured that Chris hadjust moved to North Carolina without saying goodbye.
Frizzo described Kelly as friendly, genuine, and cooperative. Jason, on
the other hand, made her incrediblyuncomfortable. He was emotionless throughout their conversation,
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even as Kelly described her affair withChris. The Cochranes agreed to meet
with police the following morning to answermore questions, and again at that meeting,
Kelly was friendly, likable, cooland collected. Jason, however,
was a complete mess. He startedcrying almost immediately upon entering the interview.
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Room and told investigators that he sufferedfrom severe depression and anxiety and had only
just recently been released from a mentalhealth facility. Jason went on to tell
investigators that he understood why they werelooking into him, and that he could
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reasonably be perceived as the jealous husband, but he maintained his innocence, and
the couple both promised to make themselvesavailable to police throughout the investigation, and
while Iron River detectives remained dubious ofj initial interviews from friends and neighbors painted
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a pretty innocent picture. They toldpolice that around the time Chris went missing,
the Cochranes hadn't appeared strange or suspiciousat all. In fact, they
were actually quite busy. Kelly wasworking two jobs, they hosted several backyard
bonfires and a barbecue. They wereremodeling their house, Kelly was doing her
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usual neighborhood lawn mowing, and Kelly'sparents had recently visited for a weekend.
Everything appeared to be normal, ifnot irregularly busy, at the Cochrane house.
At least that's what neighbors reported atfirst zero twenty one, fourteen six
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nine. These are the various numbersof murders attributed to Kelly Cochrane since her
arrest in Wingo, Kentucky in twentysixteen, As of today, only two
have been confirmed, Chris Reagan andJason Cochrane. However, a clause in
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her plea agreement, a highly irregularplea that landed her life in prison with
no possibility for parole, might justcorroborate Kelly's claims that that number is much
much higher and much like Keys.If Kelly is to be believed, those
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murders span at least five different statesover a thirteen year period, But unlike
Keys, Kelly claims to have beenromantic with most of her victims. Like
I said, it's the people youwillingly let in who are most likely to
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do you harm. Millete Spite,Bulk Sped Across the Field, Coast Sped
A left and wounded, left onedead lift one minute, Spie told Spending
across the Field. This episode waswritten, produced, and researched by Me
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Your Host Josh Hallmark, with consultationby Michelle Kasuba. Research sources include the
docuseries Dead North, Psychology Today,The Iron County Reporter, and The Iron
Mountain Daily News. This episode featuredmusic by William Hellfire, Chris Zabrisky,
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Wife, Sergei Cheramissanov, Doom Squad, and My Brightest Diamond. One dead
Kill at the wall. In themirror, I can get my feet chance,
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and my feet can feel channature insidemyself, a moment to choose to
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hold her, to refuse to shootor to let boots, the crime crow,
the bussing froe. I can't kill. At the word of the march
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and drink chat. I'm a lover, I'm a kid, I'm a lover,
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a kid. B
This is a studio both and production. How many butterfly tattoos do you have?
Ten? And was it your testimonyFriday that each wanted these tattoos represents
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somebody specially basted in your life?Yes? Who are you going fairy laers?
Are you denying now the usual achievegizzle that butterflies all re courses and
that's how you want them? I'mthat denying. I an idea about it
was, why why don't you tellher that each one of those butterfly at
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tattoos listen or someone especially lost?And you're like, I do the butterflies
d keep the true number of people? I don't know. Did you also
talk quisom on that discussion on mysixteenth of the jail that you picked your
victims by opportunity? Well saying discussionwhere you told her you had hanside of
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thoughts your entire life, that shedidn't have any feelings, that she didn't
have any worse and then she pickedyour victims a visis of opportunity. I
might have said that we're taught tofear strangers, to look out for the
unknown, to keep our eyes onthe unfamiliar. It's what made Israel keys
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so terrifying a completely unattached stranger whodidn't care who you were. But more
often than not, the ones weshould fear the most, the ones most
likely to do us harm, arethe ones closest to us. The only
thing scarier than having to protect yourselffrom the stranger that broke into your home
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is having to protect yourself from theperson you willingly let in, the person
you know like love. That's what'sso terrifying about Kelly Cochrane. According to
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Kelly Cochrane, on the night ofher wedding, her new husband Jason forced
her to agree to a pact thatif she ever cheated on him, she
would have to murder the man shecheated with, or else Jason would murder
her. And conversely, if Jasonever cheated, he would have to kill
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the woman he cheated with. Nowa lot can be said and speculated about
this pact. How did it happen? Did it even happen at all?
Was it a defense strategy or theimpetus for what was to come. On
our wedding night, my husband madethe statement that if either one of us
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were to cheat on the other,we would have to kill the signor or
even other person or the stuff wouldhave to talk. Path we had wedding
night was OSSA packed means there's anagreement to something like a contract. This
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was stated by my husband on ourwedding night. Um did I take it
serious? No? U would Ithink something like that to be said to
you know, everything at the beginningwas normal, or to what most people's
idea normals to hear that. Ithought it was a joke. Didn't take
it seriously. What we're expected tobelieve though, according to confessions from Kelly
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herself, is between their wedding onSeptember fourteenth, two thousand and two,
and Kelly's arrest on April twenty eighth, two sixteen, Kelly murdered at least
nine people, including eventually Jason himself. Kelly and Jason grew up next door
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to each other in Meryllville, Indiana, a suburb just outside the greater metropolitan
Chicago area. Kelly was described asindependent, incredibly intelligent, and very outgoing.
Jason, four years her senior,was quieter, softer, friendly,
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but a bit awkward. Everyone whoknew them said they were the perfect match,
which is why it was no surprisewhen the pair married just several months
after Kelly's twentieth birthday. I amthirty four years old, um, the
oldest daughter of Melanie and Hilthy Coboyan. I've got three siblings, um,
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the oldest. UM. I havesome education background. I graduated from Marrible
High School two thousand, graduated fromKurdue University. Kell. You met in
two thousand and thirteen with the Bachelorsof Liberal Arts. Okay, what was
that supporter specialty per psychology and sociotherking the minor aning like that. I
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did um forensics, um, andalso Spanish. Okay, So you're from
Indiana from also just briefly a littlebit up the area you grew up at.
Um. I grew up in technicallyit was Marrible, Indiana. It
was later on Ganics to Olbard,Indiana. Same street. Um, it's
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I believe the population is seventy thousands, so's a lot larger of an area
than this, um busy area.And we grew up pretty basic upbringing.
Um. We raise the animals,um pretty much. Okay. Now,
soot you that gentlemanly well whose nameis Jason Coffer, who tell us tell
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us why about Jason on? Jasonhad been my new neighbor um since I
had moved into the house on MississippiStreet and maryble Um, I know it
in all my life. Our familyis pretty much you know, talk together
that we had cookouts together, okay, and it's growing up with you hang
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out with Jason not as much whenvery young, Um we had there was
a four year difference. He's fouryears older. We hung out. I
would say to my teams, itwould have been awkward for him to come
out with my queens. You know, when I was younger, so should
hung out maybe fifteen sixteen would sitmy botifiers and stuff more solely and that
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saying yes. Right after their wedding, Kelly and Jason started their own company
in Hobert, Indiana, servicing andcleaning pools. The company had several names,
including Exotic Pools and Better Backyards,but most notably the American Dream Company.
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According to Kelly's father, Jason wason disability and so Kelly did the
majority of the physical work for thebusiness. In fact, Jason would encounter
a slew of health problems in theyears following their wedding. Jason and stopped
working in two thousand and eleven.Um his issue was his back. Um.
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He had a back isssue once ina while, um, which is
caused him to not be able towork. He stopped working from that point.
I'm doing work from two thousand andeleven to really until what he didn't
work. I mean once in awhile he could do stuff, but that
was it exactly. You say,he hasn't a bad bad but he set
nimbuld, isn't able to still dothings. He was able to do anything.
(08:31):
He wasn't nimbld when he had hehad he was that no societicookum which
would cause pain, you know,with a nervous pens in his final court,
which would go out on the loveside of his life, which would
cause the pain. I'm not sayingit didn't hurt. He was still able,
papable pretty much any pain anybody elsecould do. To give me an
example of somebody yard prod the yardyou would do it, or something like
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that that he didn't get too muchoutside its. He filed for disability and
didn't want. Following Jason's eventual death, Kelly began to make multiple claims that
despite his disability, Jason was quitecapable of physical work. She would also
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discuss at length Jason's many mental healthissues in both her interviews and testimony.
Jason suffered from severe depression and hadbeen institutionalized at least twice as an adult.
Additionally, Jason battled kidney cancer earlyin their marriage while in Indiana,
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something Kelly never brought up in hercourtroom testimony for reasons will get into in
a future episode. Needless to say, the cancer disabled Jason for approximately eighteen
months, leaving him unable to walkand, as he would strangely point out,
have sex. According to Jason,that cancer is what caused Kelly to
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stray from their marriage with both menand women, and according to records,
it also caused extreme financial hardships forthe pair. By twenty eleven, Kelly
and Jason were being sued by atleast three different companies for unpaid medical bills,
(10:22):
which resulted in leans on their house, failures to appear in court,
and warrants for Kelly's arrest. Ultimately, Kelly was forced to pay several thousand
dollars in legal fees and restitution inlate twenty thirteen, which might account for
the Cochrane's sudden departure from Hobert toCaspian, four hundred miles away in the
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upper Peninsula of Michigan. In Januaryof twenty fourteen, when the Cochranes left
Indiana, they left many of theircourt ordered payment plans abandoned on points ob
sleeping. Had a few years youdecide to move up here to the Duchigan.
Can tell us about when that waswide all up here? Yeah,
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we moved up here, moved intothe house January twenty ninth, twenty fourteen.
Um, so sixty six March Street. Before this, we were having
more insues than we had at homein Indiana. Um. He decided that
we would move up here. Hepicked the state because he was able to
(11:30):
grow here one on smoke here onelegally he grew it at home in Indiana,
but it was legal up here.Sure, Um there. I believe
there are are raisons, but Ican't be shown. Now. I think
you told me that you made uphere hoping maybe get a fresh start with
Jason's and maybe maybe James sing.We need the narrats. You're not characterizing
(11:54):
them. What you said correctly?Correct? All right? That happened.
What happened when you first weeked upthere? He was more des um he
still wasn't had no intention to goingto work. I didn't work for two
months. I wasn't an unhardy toget back to work and had moneys they've
up, Um what wasn't unhurt?So I was at home more. But
(12:18):
then I, you know, startedworking for work and I started working again.
What did you finally work out?First place was East Harder and I
am murdered, what would you dothere? Just tell us free, I
cash your make keys, cut class, help of different projects. Okay,
he said the first place he workedapplies that it was a starting advice and
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tell us about that. Yeah,that was the first place up here.
So I could place with mister T'srestaurant. And I remember, okay,
what would you do there? Iwas a server, um, waiting on
people. I was working there eveningswhen I was working at East Harber and
there are two mornings. At somepoint we got a job at deal Anderger.
You tell us about assume as Jeff, that kind of yeah, I
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kind at Oldenberg and in March thatwas definitely the kind of work I'd read
to you. Compared to the otherstuff. It was mor hands on,
fixing things, building things. Um, I got a call and mid May.
My orientation after the drug screen andthe physical was May twenty seventh,
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twenty fourteen. Wells specifically, whatdo you say to fix things? And
may things? I don't know ifthey test pecific? Would you'd be doing
there? My job there was electricalassembly. We would you know, follow
through blueprints and you put the electricalwires and connection just make connections on some
of my own machines and just putthings together. Can you said, had
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a dreadcast there? Presumably past thatbroadcast? I did, and so it
will be fair stare all the timeyou want using drugs. The last time
I had used anything before the drugtest was probably six months prior, and
it was marijuana. Why was that? Things? Want to do it?
Or what was what? Inline?I'd quit us? I knew I'd have
to take a dry tests. Sohow are these other jobs? Did you
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keep them as well? On misterTeas and the saw or he is Harper.
I did end up quitting on Iwant to say it, the end
up king him that for certain ofthe date because I couldn't keep off my
jobs. But I did keep misterCheese and Oldenburg. Oldenburg and I started
working forty was sixty hours a week, and I was doing Mister Cheese at
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night, and then it was toomuch because I was getting up at three
in the morning working there until youknow. My ship was five five day
until three pm. Um, youknow, so I had to work from
that time and then I'd usually startfour five o'clock at mister Cheese, Um,
mister Cheese. I got fired fromthem, um, for they said
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it was was my attendants and thefacts. Yes, several times, several
days there I told the one toI didn't go to. I went down
to India to do some side workfor Upon their arrival to the Upper Peninsula,
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Kelly was essentially working around the clockto keep the pair afloat, especially
in light of a trail of debtthat followed them and Jason's either unwillingness or
inability to work, depending on whoyou ask. However, it wasn't solely
Jason's medical expenses that were a drainon their finances. Kelly has admitted on
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multiple occasions to being a frequent druguser. She habitually used everything from marijuana
to prescriptions like xanax and Vikaden,to party drugs like ecstasy and GHB,
and even harder drugs like heroin andcocaine. And while throughout the investigation into
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Kelly and the ensuing trial, shewould say she used drugs as an escape
from her troubled marriage, records indicatethat she actually began abusing drugs long before
she and Jason became romantic. Andthis is one of the more remarkable and
terrifying things about Kelly Cochrane. Notonly was she working around the clock in
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Caspian and remodeling her new house whileabusing party designer and hard drugs. Earlier
in life, she managed to graduatefrom high school with honors while doing the
same and barely even attending class.Kelly was repeatedly reprimended for her severe attendance
issues and school and later in lifeat all of her jobs. Knowing what
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I know now about Kelly, it'sabsolutely terrifying to think about what she could
have achieved if she had actually appliedherself, which is a funny thing to
say forebodingly about someone. Instead,she partied, and according to multiple reports
and lawsuits, she paid for thatpartying through theft. You're the one who
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was the amist, that's what yousaid that In fact, in the midst
of her legal battles over Jason's medicaldebts, Kelly registered corporate filings for a
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non profit ironically called Unconditional Love andHope. Unconditional Love and Hope wouldn't dissolve
for three years, but in itslifetime has a very questionable record at best,
a record will be exploring in afuture episode. All this is to
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say, Kelly Cochrane is a goddamnliar, and unlike Keys, who generally
lied to avoid talking about things hedidn't want to talk about, Kelly lied
just to lie. She lied toprotect herself. She lied to derail the
investigation. She lied to make herselflook stronger, better, smarter. She
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lied to scare people. She liedjust to lie, which is why the
case of Kelly Cochrane is so incrediblymurky. There's what she initially told law
enforcement happened. There's what Jason saidhappened. There's what she told law enforcement
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happened during a second round of interviews. There's what Jason's manuscript says happened.
Yes, we have another manuscript onour hands. There's what physical evidence says
happened. There's what Kelly's attorneys sayhappened. There's what Kelly's friends and family
say happened. There's what Kelly saidhappened in third, fourth and fifth interviews,
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and then there's what Kelly has saidboth privately and publicly since being sentenced
to life plus sixty five years inprison. And all of those stories are
wildly different. Here is what wedo know. Two months after the Cochrane's
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moved to the Upper Peninsula, Kellygot a job in neighboring Iron River working
for the Oldenburg Group, a globalsupplier of metals, mining materials, and
military defense products, where Kelly workedas an electrical assembler. And even though
Kelly was high by Oldenburg in lateMarch of twenty fourteen, she didn't actually
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start working at the plant until Maytwenty seventh, due to a required drug
test and a physical, both ofwhich she was able to pass despite her
alleged drug abuse. I bring upthe delay in her start date only to
highlight how much Kelly got done inher first four and a half months at
Oldenburg. And by how much shegot done, I mean how much chaos
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she created, least of which wasgetting fired for you guessed it, attendance
issues. Now it has to besaid that what we now know about Kelly
cochrane, and the picture I paintedof her is not entirely reflective of how
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she was initially viewed. In IronCounty, Michigan. Kelly was extremely charis
attic and an incredibly hard worker.While she was using drugs, committing petty
theft, and running from debts andlawsuits, Kelly was also making friends and
supporting her community. In her neighborhoodand Caspian. She was known as a
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person who would mow her elderly neighbor'slawns, host bonfires, and lend a
hand to anyone who needed it.She was talkative and friendly and knew just
about everyone on her block. AtOldenburg, she was regarded as highly intelligent,
diligent, methodical, and a greatemployee. Whether it was just Kelly's
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nature or if it was methodical andmanipulative, Kelly knew how to make friends
and charm people, which might haveultimately been her downfall. Four months after
Kelly started working at Oldenburg, oneof her co workers, Chris Regan,
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disappeared. Chris was a supervisor andteam leader on the military assembly team at
Oldenburg. The fifty one year oldwas highly regarded by the executive team there,
which is why it came as abelow when on the morning of October
fourteenth of twenty fourteen, Chris announcedthat he'd accepted a new job in Asheville,
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North Carolina, and was moving thereto be closer to his two grown
sons. That morning, he toldhr that he needed to take the following
day off for a mandatory drug testfor his new job, but that he'd
be back at the plant on thesixteenth. Due to the unfortunate timing of
his disappearance, when Chris never returnedto Oldenburg, it was presumed that he'd
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just outright quit because of his pendingmove and new job. In fact,
Chris wasn't reported missing until October twentyseventh, thirteen days after he was last
seen. His good friend and exgirlfriend, Terry O'Donnell, reported to the
Iron County Police that she hadn't heardfrom Chris since six am on the fourteenth,
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when he called to let her knowthat he'd accepted the new job in
Asheville. Prior to that call,O'Donnell and Regan spoke almost daily, and
Terry hadn't been able to get intouch with him since. Fortunately, Iron
River Police Department Chief Laura Frizzo tookthe missing person's report seriously, which unfortunately
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is quite rare, and we'll getinto just how poor the general law enforcement
and media responses to missing men ina future episode. But that very night,
Chief Frizzo instructed Sergeant Cindy Barrett totake Terry to Chris's apartment to look
around. Terry had keys to theapartment because her parents owned the building Chris
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lived in. In fact, itwas Terry's proximity to Chris Regan and the
case in general that would initially derailthe investigation, because not only did Terry
report Chris missing and have access tohis apartment, she also knew where his
car had been abandoned for the twoweeks he'd been gone. Upon entry to
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Chris's apartment, it was clear hehadn't moved to North Carolina yet, as
some had initially suspected. He hadhalf packed boxes and to do lists throughout,
along with an unsigned job offer,prescription medication, and his computer.
After a preliminary search of the apartment, Terry told Sergeant Barrett that she'd seen
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Chris's car parked at a park andride facility four miles east of Iron River
in the extremely rural and forested townshipof Bates, and so the pair drove
directly for Regan's apartment to the parkand ride where his car had in fact
been abandoned. I have to emphasizehow incredibly rare it is in any missing
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person's case for this kind of searchand progress to be made within the first
two hours of a report being filed. Chief Frizzo and Sergeant Barrett took the
report seriously from the get go andtook immediate action. Terry O'Donnell went to
the police department prepared. She hadkeys to Chris's apartment, she had located
his car, she had all ofher fact street and all that preparedness on
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Terry's part resulted in her becoming theprime suspect and Regan's disappearance. The park
and ride where Regan's car was abandonedsits within a heavily forested mile of a
lake and several abandoned mines, andit's five miles in the opposite direction from
where Chris lived and worked in WestIron River. There was no plausible reason
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for Chris's car to be in theremote area. So while Terry had accidentally
made herself the prime suspect. Twoother theories were being floated by Iron River
police. One Chris had gotten lostin the nearby woods while hunting or fishing,
or two Chris had gone there todie by suicide. The suicide theory
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had pretty quickly been debunked. Everyonewho knew Chris said he was excited about
his new job and new move,that he looked forward to being closer to
his kids, that he was verymuch ready to get out of the Upper
Peninsula. So investigators focused on findingout Chris's last known whereabouts. While Search
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and Rescue searched the woods surrounding thepark and ride in Chris's abandoned car,
they found two pieces of possible evidence, a knee brace that Chris was required
to wear fall allowing a recent surgeryand very rarely took off, and handwritten
directions to sixty six Lawrence Street innearby Caspian, Michigan. While the search
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was being conducted, Frizzo and Barrettpulled Regan's financial records and found that his
last known transaction was on October fourteenth, at four thirteen pm at a gas
station and Iron River. They pulledsurveillance and were able to confirm that it
was Chris and Chris alone at thegas station that day. They also reached
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out to his new job in Ashevilleand discovered that Chris never went in for
his mandatory drug test on the fifteenth, and then they took a drive to
the Oldenburg Group, a drive thatwould drastically alter their investigation. Chris's HR
manager had a lot of new informationfor Chief Frizzo, but most of it
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wasn't about Chris, but rather oneof his co workers, a woman by
the name of Kelly Cochrane. Yeah, I first met him on the Daylight
interview, which was the twenty second. He was in one of six that
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did the higher think that was firsttime about but I would see him passing.
He was in the military assembly,so that was the section right behind
the electrical assembly, so you know, he passed through, made small talk
to that. We ended up talkingfor him. As gene Hr reported that
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Chris had a sterling reputation at Oldenburgand that when he never returned to work
on October sixteenth, it was aassumed he'd just left for his new job.
The only questionable information they had onChris were office rumors that he was
having an affair with a married coworker named Kelly, and there were other
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rumors about Kelly having an affair withone of Chris's subordinates, a man named
Eric Ericsson, and when asked aboutKelly herself, Hr told investigators that shortly
before Chris went missing, Kelly reportedthat her husband Jason had tried to kill
her and then himself. In lessthan a year and a half, two
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of the three men in Kelly's lifewould be dead. Following that trip to
Oldenburg, Terry O'Donnell was cleared,and two new theories surrounding Chris and Kelly
developed, one that a jealous EricEricsson killed Chris Regan or two that Kelly's
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jealous husband Jason Cochrane killed Regan andso. On October twenty sixth, the
Iron River Police headed to Jason andKelly Cochrane's house, located at sixty six
Lawrence Street in Caspian, Michigan.Their initial interviews with the Cochran's only fueled
(30:38):
the theory that at least Jason wasinvolved in Regan's disappearance. In fact,
Jason was caught in a lie withinseconds of answering the door that night,
when asked if Kelly was home,Jason said no, and before Chief Frizzo
could finish asking where she was,Kelly emerged from an upstairs bathroom, and
(31:04):
when Frizzo asked Jason why he lied, Kelly answered for him. In fact,
once Kelly came to the door,Jason barely said a word. He
stood awkwardly and quietly in the doorway, as Kelly told investigators that Jason was
just protecting her, that she washaving an affair with Chris, that she
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was worried when Chris stopped responding toher texts and calls, and then eventually
upset when she figured that Chris hadjust moved to North Carolina without saying goodbye.
Frizzo described Kelly as friendly, genuine, and cooperative. Jason, on
the other hand, made her incrediblyuncomfortable. He was emotionless throughout their conversation,
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even as Kelly described her affair withChris. The Cochranes agreed to meet
with police the following morning to answermore questions, and again at that meeting,
Kelly was friendly, likable, cooland collected. Jason, however,
was a complete mess. He startedcrying almost immediately upon entering the interview.
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Room and told investigators that he sufferedfrom severe depression and anxiety and had only
just recently been released from a mentalhealth facility. Jason went on to tell
investigators that he understood why they werelooking into him, and that he could
(32:43):
reasonably be perceived as the jealous husband, but he maintained his innocence, and
the couple both promised to make themselvesavailable to police throughout the investigation, and
while Iron River detectives remained dubious ofj initial interviews from friends and neighbors painted
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a pretty innocent picture. They toldpolice that around the time Chris went missing,
the Cochranes hadn't appeared strange or suspiciousat all. In fact, they
were actually quite busy. Kelly wasworking two jobs, they hosted several backyard
bonfires and a barbecue. They wereremodeling their house, Kelly was doing her
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usual neighborhood lawn mowing, and Kelly'sparents had recently visited for a weekend.
Everything appeared to be normal, ifnot irregularly busy, at the Cochrane house.
At least that's what neighbors reported atfirst zero twenty one, fourteen six
(33:59):
nine. These are the various numbersof murders attributed to Kelly Cochrane since her
arrest in Wingo, Kentucky in twentysixteen, As of today, only two
have been confirmed, Chris Reagan andJason Cochrane. However, a clause in
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her plea agreement, a highly irregularplea that landed her life in prison with
no possibility for parole, might justcorroborate Kelly's claims that that number is much
much higher and much like Keys.If Kelly is to be believed, those
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murders span at least five different statesover a thirteen year period, But unlike
Keys, Kelly claims to have beenromantic with most of her victims. Like
I said, it's the people youwillingly let in who are most likely to
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do you harm. Millete Spite,Bulk Sped Across the Field, Coast Sped
A left and wounded, left onedead lift one minute, Spie told Spending
across the Field. This episode waswritten, produced, and researched by Me
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Your Host Josh Hallmark, with consultationby Michelle Kasuba. Research sources include the
docuseries Dead North, Psychology Today,The Iron County Reporter, and The Iron
Mountain Daily News. This episode featuredmusic by William Hellfire, Chris Zabrisky,
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Wife, Sergei Cheramissanov, Doom Squad, and My Brightest Diamond. One dead
Kill at the wall. In themirror, I can get my feet chance,
(36:13):
and my feet can feel channature insidemyself, a moment to choose to
(36:37):
hold her, to refuse to shootor to let boots, the crime crow,
the bussing froe. I can't kill. At the word of the march
(37:16):
and drink chat. I'm a lover, I'm a kid, I'm a lover,
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a kid. B
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