October 29, 2025 • 40 mins
In this week's edition of the PodKaz from USCHO.com, hosts Nicole Haase and Todd Milewski reflect on the opening weekend of conference play in ECAC Hockey, where Clarkson, Cornell and St. Lawrence all opened with 2-0 records.
Quinnipiac fell to Brown on Saturday after starting the season 9-0, and part of the discussion goes to how the ECAC title might come down to limiting the loss of points to teams who aren't expected to be in the upper third of the league.
Then we look back on sweeps by No. 2 Ohio State and No. 3 Minnesota in the WCHA and the grand opening of Lee and Penny Anderson Arena at St. Thomas, which suffered an overtime loss to Providence thanks to the fourth goal of the game by Reichen Kirchmair.
Looking ahead to this week, there are five games matching teams ranked in the USCHO top 15 on both Friday and Saturday. No. 3 Minnesota plays a series at No. 1 Wisconsin to lead that group.
The PodKaz is a production of USCHO.com. Have a question for us? Reach out to Nicole (@NicoleHaase) or Todd (@ToddMilewski) on social media or email todd.milewski@uscho.com.
Quinnipiac fell to Brown on Saturday after starting the season 9-0, and part of the discussion goes to how the ECAC title might come down to limiting the loss of points to teams who aren't expected to be in the upper third of the league.
Then we look back on sweeps by No. 2 Ohio State and No. 3 Minnesota in the WCHA and the grand opening of Lee and Penny Anderson Arena at St. Thomas, which suffered an overtime loss to Providence thanks to the fourth goal of the game by Reichen Kirchmair.
Looking ahead to this week, there are five games matching teams ranked in the USCHO top 15 on both Friday and Saturday. No. 3 Minnesota plays a series at No. 1 Wisconsin to lead that group.
The PodKaz is a production of USCHO.com. Have a question for us? Reach out to Nicole (@NicoleHaase) or Todd (@ToddMilewski) on social media or email todd.milewski@uscho.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Usccho dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Todd Moleski and Nicole Hosey with you to talk women's
college hockey. Nicole, there was a lot of interesting results
last weekend. We're going to get into a lot of them.
We're also going to look ahead to a what looks
pretty exciting weekend to come with each of Friday and
Saturday having five games of right teams on both sides
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of them, so that should be exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But looking back at last weekend, we saw the first
weekend play in ECAC hockey and we saw three teams sweep,
six teams split, three teams get swept. Part of the course,
It would have been part of the course if there
had been everyone sitting here, all twelve teams sitting here
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at one in one right, but didn't quite that far.
We had three no starts or two no starts by
three teams. Clarkson, Saint laws and Cornell, your thoughts on that, Well.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm not sure I'd have no offense to Saint Lawrence,
but I wouldn't have put money on them being one
of the three teams that swept. It's been a rough
start to the season for them, So you know, kudos
to them for forgetting on track when it's really necessary
for conference play. So yeah, I just think if you'd
have asked me before this weekend, who would have swept
and who would have gotten the losses? I think I'd
(01:29):
gotten of most of that wrong. You know, we had
previously eight no Quidipiac suffered their first loss this weekend. Yeah,
I don't know it was. It's it feels like we're
gonna we're in for a lot of chaos in the
e CEC, which we know that I love, and you know,
I think coaches like to say, like, oh, our comfort
is so tough. You know, every game you have to
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be prepared for. But I feel like that that's sort
of so true for them this season, and like not
in the coaching aphorism sort of way. There's just you
had Dartmouth bree beating Clark or Colgate, you had Brown
beating Quinnipiac. Like it's just it's going to be top
to bottom. You can't you can't take your foot off
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the gas. You have to, you know, fight from from
whistle to whistle. So I think we're gonna see I
think it's gonna be a lot less clear cut in
the ECAC where we have like a line of the
top teams and and sort of the bottom teams, and
it feels like there's gonna be it's gonna be a
much tougher, grittier, dirtier fight this year.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, and those because everyone plays each other, if I'm
remembering it right, everyone just plays each other the two
times correct, and so you get to twenty two games.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Uh, and then the rest of it is non conference.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So uh, the one time everyone plays each other home
and away really feels like there's that margin for air
is less and less because of that, and where you
get to see a you know, a Cornell and ah, well,
let's just throw somebody at Clarkson when when they play,
(03:02):
those games feel really really big and it's tough to
get those points back if you don't win them. So
when quinnpiac drops points against Brown like they did one
nothing on Saturday, that's an important result. India mcdatti, you
got the goal. Rory Edwards made thirty three saves there.
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Brown rebounding after losing the Princeton on Friday, So it's
a little bit of that. You know, Brown, we had
talked about them as being a team to watch and
well didn't start well but came back and got a
pretty good win the second night of the weekend last
last week.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, and I think, you know, it's like we've talked about,
you know, when we talk about Hockey East, where like
sort of you really have to win the points that
like on paper, you're supposed to win. That's that's what
we're kind of talking about here. That's like not you know,
sort of begging on any of the teams that are
unrinked or or any of that sort of stuff. But
it's just that we think points are going to be
at a super premium and so when you want to
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be fighting for that title, leaving those points you know,
on the board or dropping them or however you want
to say it, like that is just that's absolutely going
to have an effect. And to your point of sort
of only one one home, one way opportunity against each team,
you know, it's not like you can say, like, well,
what we did in October, you know, it doesn't in
some of the other conferences, like you have that opportunity
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to really be playing a team at your peak, and
the way that that large conference in the scheduling goes
like you you might be playing, particularly if you're an
IVY team that just hit the ice, like you might
be playing you know, these ranked and top teams like
while you're still ramping up, and that may play into
how things shake out when it comes to February. So yeah,
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there's just there's really no opportunity for ramping up and
there's no opportunity for having a bad day. And I
think those are the sort of things that like you
might get away with it possibly in some of the
conferences that have a little more parody, But it looks
like ECAC is just going to be a dog fight
for everybody every week.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And I think of Quinnipiac and they gave up two
goals on the weekend and only got one win, and
that's a tough way. They won three nothing or three
one sorry at Yale on Friday Felicia Frank twenty five
saves there for the Bobcats. That's that's tough, you know,
giving up two goals and only coming out with a
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split of the weekend. But that's that's the thin margin.
It seems like it's there in a lot of these
games that we've seen so far non conference as well.
For Quinnipiac that you know, it needs to get up
there in goals or it's or it's going to be
a little bit more challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, and I point out too, I'm pretty sure Brown's
goal was on the power plane. As we get into
talking more of these games, like you'll you'll sort of
hear that as a refrain, is that, like how influential
you know, one penalty, one wrong move can be on
the outcome of a game. And so we're talking thin margins,
that's what we're talking about, right, Like there is like
one mistake was made and that Brown was able to
(06:01):
take advantage and then you know, shut down anything else
kind of pay I've tried to do. And you know, well,
like I said, we'll get into this with some of
the other games, but I was it was a little
shocking to me writing recaps and watching this weekend like
that you could really pinpoint one or two things that
really flipped some of these games and turned it from
like you might be able to earn a massive upset
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to things got out of hand for you that quickly.
So it's, uh, I guess I've just been it's been
like really high stakes and really like there's I'm surprised
we're talking about this much minutia in late October. I
guess that's surprise, but like it's just as we generally
talk about ramping up the season and like, you know,
(06:42):
things in October you sort of can build, But right
now it feels like there's none of that and sort
of literally every every shift, every everything matters, which is
is hard to believe when you get to March to
talk about to look back and be like that might
have been the turning point.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, Yeah, I get the feeling we'll be talking
about thin margins throughout the season because there we know
there are a lot of games that that aren't close,
but the ones between the teams that are going to
end up at the top of.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The conference generally are.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And it's it's going to be fun to follow that
I think you'd mentioned before Colgate following to Dartmouth four
to two on Friday, Kelly Dixon with two goals for Dartmouth,
Mikaela Heshevo with thirty four saves. It's I think one
of those like, Okay, let's let's kind of take stock
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of all the like you mentioned before, the points that
the teams have dropped and along the way against teams
that maybe we weren't expecting to be in the top four.
That's what's going to end up deciding. You know, when
it comes to the half points that you getcy hockey
full points there are going to matter at the end
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for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And I'd have to say, like Dartmouth has my attention,
Like I think Mikhilahsheva is one of the best goalies
like internationally in her age range. She had a great
season last year, like amazing numbers compared to like their
final sort of record and things like that. So the
fact that Dartmouth went out and put up four goals,
I mean period, but on that team, it definitely has
(08:19):
me going, oh so it was that an anomaly? Are
we going to see more of that? So for me,
it was not just that Dartmouth got the win, but
there if they're if they've found some offense as well,
they're going to be a team really to reckon with
more than I think people might have expected or would
be prepared for.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Let's look west for a little while, where we talked
last week about what impact is it going to have
on Ohio State and Minnesota both being without two players
after they melee at the end of their game last week.
That's their second game last week. In the end in
(08:57):
the results, not not really a lot. Ohio State home
swoop of Saint Cloud. State Minnesota goes on the road
to sweep Minnesota Duluth.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Kind of status quo there where it looked like there
were some chances for the lower ranked teams there for
Saint Cloud and for Duluth, but not able to get
in the wind column last week.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Let's start with.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The Ohio State Saint Cloud game on Saturday, where Saint
Cloud is up tune to nothing. Early in the third period,
they scored to go up tune to nothing, but then
it's the joy Don show the rest of the way
with the help of five minute power play.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's exactly the game. I was thinking of what I
was saying that earlier, like on one play and we
never really did. It happened along the near board, so
they're because of the camera set up there. We never
really did get a great review and.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I know your favorite setup.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, well, particularly because it felt like the commentators felt
like it was very clear cut and based on the
very little we could see from from the review, I
thought I don't. I'm not sure I'm seeing it, and
that's not it very much could have been. I have
no idea, but for a penalty that became such a
huge turning point in that game and basically you know,
(10:14):
sort of put the win out of Saint Cloud's hands.
I really wished we could see better what was called there.
It was just particularly two that was happening at the
same time as Minnesota Duluth game where we are. Some
of our Minnesota to Louth friends were not very happy
with the officiating, and I thought, oh, there is a
lot going on here at once, and so yeah, I
would have liked to see better. But yes, I you know,
(10:36):
great from Saint Cloud State. I thought they played, you know,
the exact game they would want to play in that situation,
and and they really what's interesting for Ohio State is
like the switch that was flipped, like they got that
opportunity and it was over. They scored one. You knew
it wasn't only gonna be one, right, So it's uh, yeah,
(11:00):
I guess a little unfortunate. But again, like you just
you have to play smarter hockey, like you can't. You
can't be putting yourself in you can't. You can't be
pinning players against the wall and taking the opportunity of
hits from behind her head contact. You know, it seems
like it's been a little more reckless early on, and
and man, that poor player, you know that that changed
that game, flipped it immediately. And so that's what we're
(11:21):
talking about. We're seeing the smallest of margins and the
like one thing that can change the game. Because that
went from Saint Cloud State up to nothing in a
great position in the third period, to to upset Ohio
State to to you know, that game completely got out
of hand for them very quickly. Right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It was five to one on Friday and then four
to two the final for Ohio State on Saturday. Joy
Donn got the two goals to tie it, then have
a pecial scored to go ahead, and then don scored
to believe in empty netter or if it was, it
was in the last minute, so I'm not sure, but
if that was for the hat trick. Let's move over
(12:02):
to Duluth, where Minnesota got a fourd nothing win on
Friday with Hannah Clark making twenty four saves and Avia
Lindsay scoring twice, and then a three to two victory
on Saturday with a pair of goals from Abbie Murphy,
who up to NCA leading total to fourteen in goals
and twenty one in points. The Friday game on the
(12:24):
Duluth side, v Gascon had to leave because of an
injury as I understand it, but she did return to
play on Saturday. So maybe a little bit of a
concern there briefly for not only the Luth but also
international Canada concerns. When you're talking about rivalry series coming
up next weekend of I'm remembering my calendar, right, So
(12:49):
a lot of things happening in that series, but the
end result of Minnesota comes out of it with two
more wins to improve to nine in one.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah. On top of everything and all we've been talking
about with minnesot I think the one thing I want
to mention is that I think Hanna Clark, their goalie,
is you know, we said some nice things about her
last year too, but she might be the most underrated
part of that team at this moment. It is not
that Minnesota Duluth was fully dominated, particularly in that second game,
but Clark just she plays so smoothly, she moves so
(13:18):
well across the Crease. There were a number of times
that I thought Duluth was about to score, like your
your seconds from being like, oh, that's so exciting, and
then she just slides across and abs the buck really
like honestly, it looks effortless. So she's just a really
key part to what they're they're gonna be able to
continue to do this season. It's not just that they
are scoring lots of goals. She's also just this huge
(13:41):
change maker for them. But yeah, I think, you know,
probably a disappointing series from Minnesota Duluth. They're still I
feel like they haven't found the rhythm that I think
they like. The pieces haven't come together to make the
unit better than the pieces. Does that you like that
the sum is not yet? Has it all come together yet?
They have? There's some flashes and you can see what
(14:03):
you know, Kaitlyn Clark can do with the puck. Kaitlynd Clark. Wow,
Kaitlyn Kramer wrong sport.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
That'd be amazing if she could. But I don't know
if she's a skater, wouldn't put it past her.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But any Gramer, you know, Jersey Saint Markins some of
these players. But I'm not sure that it does all
sort of fluidly come together for that squad. Yet where
it's like one really great unit that is playing a
full great sixty minutes, I think that there is more.
The ceiling is higher than what they've been able to
put together so far.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Also in Minnesota last week, maybe the game of the
weekend in Saint Paul on Friday, the opening game of
Lea Penny Anderson Arena, which looks, I mean just from
seeing it in pictures and seeing it on video, looks amazing.
At Saint Thomas, Saint Thomas had a non comfort series
with Providence to open it up and ends up with
(14:55):
a split. But man, then that under sells the what
we saw on Friday, ends up seven to six in
overtime for Providence with reichen Kirk Mayers poring four goals,
including the winner. So after at Natural had to tie
(15:15):
correct to take a two to nothing game to five
to two, Saint Thomas comes back, takes the lead six
to five, and then I believe it was Jesse Pellerin
scored in the final minute to send it to overtime
for Providence.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, A lot to deal with there, A lot to
handle as you're watching what was really kind of a
there's a lot of ceremony with that game of you know,
what's the first this, what's the first this? Well, there's
your first four goal scorer, and it just happens to be,
you know, in your first game.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, and even going back right, the very first goal
in that game was twenty three seconds in Providence took
the lead firs and then you know, it's two to
two at the end of the second and you're like, okay,
or at the end of the first, and then the
second gets completely out of control for you know, Providence
runs away with it, and so yeah, that third period
was just like what, I'm so confused, Like you look
at that final score if you watched Eddie point in
that game and walked away, and you're like, I what
(16:08):
did I miss? And honestly, the weirdest part is that
third period didn't feel that prenetic, like you're like, if
I tell you what was five to so like you know,
many more goals are coming and you're like, all right, well,
there's like twelve minutes left on the clock and we're
still sort of like it was just a very strange situation.
I mean, I felt like maybe Providence was sitting back
a little and happy with their lead, and I feel like,
(16:30):
you know, maybe that kicked that that intermission kicked Saint
Thomas a little bit in the button and they were like, Okay,
this is not how we want to go out in
our first game in our new home. But Providence was not.
Like if you just watched that third period, Providence was
barely in the offensive zone, like they weren't possessing the puck,
they weren't really moving it. I will say I think
the shot total was probably not well kept in that game,
(16:54):
or we just had some I mean, the tweets from
that game were coming out, you know, hours afterwards. I
think there's probably some life issues the sound out something
and the sound on the game did not match up
to the actual videos and stuff like that. So I'm, uh,
we'll give it a pass. But Providence had the same
number of shots before and after a goal, so that's
difficult to believe. Uh but yeah, so but if you
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look at the numbers, you're like, how did Providence score
seven goals because it looked like they never held the
puck in the third period, And then yeah, it was
It was very interesting to watch Saint Thomas chip away
and then all of a sudden and you're like, okay,
this is amazing. They've totally controlled this. This what great
for them when their first you know, their first game
at home and it's like they forgot what Providence was
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capable of it had done earlier, and so Krishmuer just went,
you know, does what she does in the in overtime
peller and tied it with thirty seconds to go. It
just it was It was such a strange game, but
like delightfully fun if you're not a fan of either team.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Absolutely that was just like I had it on in
the background here as I was doing other things. It
was like every time I looked up for that, there
was another goal. Dupe the start yep, here we go again.
So yeah, that's uh, those are the yeah, the best
games when you are not tied to either program, because
it's just enjoyment. There's action or if you like or
(18:14):
if you're a fan of goaltending, I mean, or if
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Replace their Goali at one point and yeah, it's uh,
it was interesting. But I said to you before we
came on, it's what's with all the scoring and bunches?
I feel like we never see you know, four goal
outputs or you know, we had two natural hat tricks
this weekend and I think three or four total hat tricks.
Just it's very interesting to me. We tend to not
the parody in like the way that teams match up.
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You tend to not see one player doing, you know,
being able to do everything, Like the defenses are too
good to let one player do all that. So yeah,
Breaking Kursemeyer had a heck of a game here, and yeah,
it's interesting to me. It's something I feel like I'm
gonna be keeping an eye on because you just tend
to not see that very often. We didn't. We didn't
in the ECS even and Yale Krena d' antonio also
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had a hat trick. So yeah, I don't. It's strange,
it's interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, Saint Thomas bounced back for a five on win
on Saturday to get that split. Let's bounce back East
quickly before we take a break. Hockey East BC Boston
College out to a three and oh start after winning
at Merrimack two to one on Saturday. They also beat
Holy Cross in Providence a couple of weeks ago. That's well, right,
(19:31):
we've seen where Bus had its struggles. They did finally
get a win last week. But now as we're looking
in the more you know, conference games, we're starting to see, well, okay,
BC's played three conference games and one of all that's
that's what's going to go a long way in the
(19:53):
end of what the playoffs look like. There is you know, yeah,
maybe the non conference didn't go well. They you know,
they went out to Minnesota and.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, they had a tough go of it, Like, yeah,
it had a rough time. Yeah, but it was a
tough schedule.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But now you're back in your conference and if if
you can dial that in that that looks okay.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You know, we said, like the conference is the most important.
One of the series this weekend that I thought was
really interesting was was Yukon and Mercyhurst, which was maybe
closer than I expected it would have been. So I
know that mercy Hurst would lad to their series events
Penn State to show them off a little more. But
mercy Hurst, I think is a team that's going to
continue to be someone we've got to keep an eye on,
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and I think that was probably a little eye opening
for for Yukon. They eked out, you know, for three
win and yeah, I just uh, interesting is really the
word of the week. I think, just like, hmm, that
is not how I expected that to go.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
We we learned as we.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Go here is Uh doesn't matter how long we've been doing.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
What we think now is not what we're going to
be thinking in February. I guarantee you that. So and
that's the fun of it is that we're going to
figure it out as we go along, and for sure
maybe we'll know something by the end.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't hold out.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I never feel like I really do. But okay, let's
take a pause there.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
When we get back, we will talk about what's coming
in this upcoming week, which is a action packed week
when you look at it on the on the schedule,
so plus some international hockey news.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Stay with us on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Welcome back to the podcast. Todd and Nicoll with you
with a brief international break here before we actually get
to an international break which comes next week. Some news
cut coming from Sweden this week, where Erica Holst has
been named the full time coach of Sweden for the
period starting after the Olympics. This coming well, in this
(22:03):
res this coming February. Nicole, I know you wrote about
this on Victory Press. Erica Wholse a Hall of famer
at both in Sweden and at Minnesota Duluth where she
was part of national titles in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
How big of a step is this.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Would you say, for her and also for Sweden to
move in that direction.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I think it's kind of huge for both. Interestingly, like
she says that, you know, coaching, she was doing some
like hockey development stuff but not necessarily coaching, and her
former U m D in Sweden teammate Kim Martin said hey,
do you want to coach and brought her over to
for Lunda, where Kim is the GM and Erica led
(22:49):
Forlinda to the SDHL title last year sort of kind
of famously big deal. They upset Lulia who had sort
of a stranglehold on that championship. This year for Lunda
has won their first fifteen in a row. So just
did She seems to be a really natural coach. I
always think it's super important to get more women coaching,
particularly internationally, and then there's someone sort of no one
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better than Erica in Sweden. She was the first woman
inducted into the Swedish Hockey Hall of Fame. She appeared
in three hundred and twenty seven games for Sweden internationally,
four Olympics, eleven World Championships. As as Todd mentioned, she
was a national champion at Minnesota luth in two thousand
and one, two thousand and two, two thousand and three.
She had two hundred and four points in one hundred
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and twenty seven games, which is ridiculous numbers. She was
a captain of the senior national team. Like there's there's
something to be said for someone that's been there and
done it all then taking over for a team, it's
just it's a really huge step. And she's someone so
she actually played. If you're all familiar with international hockey.
In Sweden, they have something called TV Puckin, which is
(23:54):
their like U sixteen boys national tournament. They now have
a girls' version, but she played in the She's one
of the only women that ever played in the boys version,
and so she has sort of seen this whole growth
from women talking when when nobody liked that girls were playing,
there weren't opportunities and and you know, she got some
hate for playing in that tournament. Now to leading for
(24:15):
Lunda in the SDHL and sort of the current landscape
of women throw in international hockey, and so I just
think it's a it's a huge hire. It's really cool
to see a former player get that. And again, like
this is someone who came to the NCAA sort of
at the very beginning, in the very early years, and
so I think there's just so many experiences and and
(24:36):
things that she can teach and know and and help
that team sort of get back to where they want
to be, which is, you know, perpetually competing for for
a bronze medal and hopefully more. But the first thing
they got to do is get back into that like
three four position, which is just not somewhere they've been recently.
So I think, you know, they they were doing okay.
I don't think there's any huge reason for the change.
They're leaving their current coach there through the Olympics. She
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is close out the SDHL season, But yeah, I think
it's a it's a huge opportunity for for Sweden and
back to the U eight teams that were there two
three years ago when I was there, they really seem
to be making a push to put a focus on
girls and women's hockey. The federation is they're really trying
to make sure that the SDHL is a growing is
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it opportunity for homegrown talent, and so they like there
are rules about how many players in Sweden need to
be on h team or things like that, and so
I just I think it's another good step that shows
that their federation is is serious in trying to continue
to grow and compete and be a player at that
international level, which I think is just important. You know,
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I think maybe some of that came naturally to certain countries,
you know, sort of in the early days of the
World Championships and the Olympics, and now we've seen like
one check Ye put that huge investment in like what
that did. So I'm glad to see other countries sort
of responding to that and not just resting on like well,
we've always just done okay in hockey, and people grow
up playing here, so we have some good players. So
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I'm just hoping it's another good stuff for them.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, we will talk more international hockey next week ahead
of the rivalry series US and Canada, but let's get
back to looking ahead to NCAA Games this week, where
I'd mentioned before Friday and Saturday, you've got each day
five games between teams that are ranked in top fifteen,
which is ridiculously good scheduling. So whoever did it salute
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to you? No, not really, but it really just sometimes
it means that there, well, there are six ranked teams
in WCHA and they have to be you know, going
against each other this week, and then a couple matchups
of ECAC teams as well.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So let's take a look at some of those.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Let's start Minnesota number three at number one Wisconsin Friday
and Saturday. Wisconsin last season did what no one has
ever done before and win six games against Minnesota in
one season. I know that lives on with the Gophers.
The Gophers who now are deeper, They can be more
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than Abby Murphy offensively.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Much more.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
They are obviously you mentioned a great goaltending, but they
have to go into Lebon Arena and show it. That's
easier said than done for most teams, but I know
they take that as a challenge and Brad Frost is
going to have them ready to go at it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yes, I think that's I mean with Minnesota Wisconsin border
battle like that's perpetually a really you know, sort of
like Circle down the Calendar, really fun and interesting series.
But the minutia that you you know, some of the
stuff that you just mentioned, the small details or what's
going to make this interesting. Like you know, Wisconsin has
had some injuries to their top liners, but if you
mentioned some of them, we're back in practice, you said
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on social media, and so like you know, it's not
Wisconsin after whole strength, but also Wisconsin was missing Leila
Edwards and Christensen's and Landy Potter and clear and right
stepped up to the top top line and had an
amazing weekend and ended up as w C h A
Ford in the week. So, as I said on social media,
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this is why people hate Wisconsin, you know, it's it's
they just they just move up the next great player
and they step up into that role. But I yeah,
I think there's just a lot of sort of like
variables and and how those things sort of match up
and play out. There's there's not a lot of surprises
between these two teams. Those two coaches know each other,
respect each other very well. We always talk about it
being a chess match, but I'm not sure that there's
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either anything Mark or Frosty could do that would shock
the other one. And and also neither one of them
is uh much for shock and awe, right, like they're there,
they're kind of old school dudes, and so yeah, I
think it'll be interesting. I think officiating is gonna play
a huge part. I think both teams need to be smart,
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keep that in check. And there's gonna be pushy chovy,
and there's gonna be extracurriculars and like you got to
be able to just skate away from it and go
over to the faceof dot and and that's gonna be
on both sides. So I think, yeah, it's how the
games officiated, how tightly it's officiated. I think we'll have
a very interesting impact. And I think to special teams
like you just you can't give either of these teams
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additional opportunities. And so yeah, that's the that's where all
the fun is going to be in these games, right,
Like who's doing better at face offs, who's gonna, you know,
make those mistakes or get called for things? And yeah,
I I I'm a little worried about the physicality and
and just like I feel like I'm on the edge
of my seat in terms of like I'm gonna watch
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through my fingers. We add all of this that it's
on Halloween and Madison, which is a ridiculous, ridiculous thing
to be doing, but here we are.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Will be a fun walk back to the car after
the game Friday night.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
About you think you've her taken this one?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So I I remember from last year, I don't remember
the stats exactly, but I know Wisconsin held Abby Murphy
to be very quiet scoring wise. I don't know if
she scored at all in those six games, and I
can't remember off the top of my head if that's
true or not, but it was limited. But I feel
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like the Gophers have more to push with this year,
and so maybe exactly there there's there's secondary and more
support after that. So, uh, that will be a difference.
I don't know how much of a difference. I don't
know what it's going to look like. I mean, we
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still got really good defenses and really good goalies on
both sides, so a lot of factors going into that.
You mentioned, you know, penalty, special teams, power players are
gonna be huge if we even get there. We've seen
some games where uh it, our phrees tend to even
it out. You know, if there's a penalty, well well
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we're taking two, so no power play. But yeah, it's
it should be a good one. It's it's one of
a few good ones around the w c h A
this week because also number five Minnesota lou that number
ten Saint claud State, in a series of teams that
are looking to rebound after coming close last week, like
we said against Ohio State and against Minnesota, but not
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quite not quite getting there.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So who do you think do we feel.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like there's a team that needs it more than that
needs a couple of wins more? I mean, I don't
know I can make arguments by.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, I mean just in terms of sort of like
where you end up in the standings in like Saint
Cloud's States position is more preherious, you know, they're lowered
down and so they're more looking to solidify that like
they're going to make the tournament. But I do I
think Minnesota Duluth needs a couple big wins. I think
they need both for themselves and for the sort of
their their larger reputation, UH to to get a couple
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of wins and come out against a ranked team and
improve that. Like this is the number five team in
the country. You know, one thing that will be interesting
here is is my impression of Saint Cloud's state the
past few weeks has just been their quickness, their their
fast breaks, their transition, like they have put on the
speed this year. When they played St. Thomas two weeks ago,
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it was like watching a track meet, just up and
down the ice. And that is generally not Minnesota de
loose thing, particularly like they're they're very solid when they're
set in their defense, and so how they handle that
and it's just not the style they play. It's not
that I don't think that they can handle it, but
you're talking to sort of stylistically two very different approaches there,
and so how that shakes out. I think this is
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kind of going to be the thing that decides what
happens in this game. Those games.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Saint Thomas, what you had mentioned last week, has been
on a long startch of road games to allow their
arena to be ready. Now gets back to back home
series and this time it's number two Ohio State coming
in for the first uh you know, w c h
A games in and Anderson Arena. It doesn't get any
easier for Saint Thomas here that after that wild game
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last Friday, having Ohio State coming in, but they've they've
shown they can play with the Buckeyes and and be
right there with them and and you know, get a win.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
At the end.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's interesting. There's usually I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
That sort of matches up well against the other one,
and for some reason, it's seeing Thomas against Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, And and so that's why I don't put anything
past the Tommies. This week is a you know, they're
they're gonna feel like they've been up to the challenge before.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
They had two one goal overtime losses. Basically they they
pushed Ohio State to their limit and and sort of
ran out of gas there at the end. And so
I think those are huge lessons learned. I'm sure that
it's something they've been working on it talking about since
that happened. And yeah, So in that way, I think
that those games last weekend were really important and prepping
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for for this series and that that is going to
be interesting for sure. I think I think Ohio States
showed how adaptable they are last a week. You know,
they had two defenders on their third offensive line and
didn't have any issue like it. You wouldn't have known
any different, and we knew that, but it's still it's
another thing to go out and do it. And so
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I think the problem maybe even more so than in
years past, Not that Ohio State has ever not been deep,
but I think their depth is even even greater this year.
Like the talent that you're talking about playing on second
and third lines here are like international, These are these
are women that are going to continue to be international superstars.
Hilldis Fenson has just been you know, sort of off
the charts good and so I just think you're going
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to continue to see like that team grow and and
so I think maybe for seeing Thomas, it's it's good
to see them a little earlier here this season when
they might match up little better. But I think that's
where Ohio State is going to prove most difficult. It
is that it's sort of that relentlessness that they're so
known for that they really try for is like literally
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for the full sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, in ECAC hockey, we had number four Cornell and
number eleven Colgate hosting ranked teams as travel partners.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
They flip flop.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So on Friday it's number fourteen Yale at Cornell and
number fifteen Brown at Colgate and then reverse those on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm looking for Colgate.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
To show some signs of stability here. I think this
is the point where, Okay, it's been a little bit
of a bounce back and forth start to the season.
When you've got two games at home against Yale and Brown,
this is an important point for them to show that
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they can get to wins in a week.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think, like you said, stability, but also
just like show some fire that like that's not that's
not the expectation for us, and we don't like that
that happened, and and we're gonna come back out with
some fight. It's one of the things we talk about
me sometimes not seeing from teams other times, and so
I yeah, that to me would be like even if
it's a loss, Like I think they just really need
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to come out and like put really play their hockey,
really try and put their print on the game. And
that I think we'll say more than than the final
score will. I think they just we need to see that,
like it just feels like they haven't quite kind of
like I was saying with Minnesota, Delu, like it just
hasn't all come together for them. Like I think they're
still struggle struggling a little bit to sort of define
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who they are after you know, some really big name
graduation players graduated last year, and so like, what does
this team look like now? And that's not just like
having Culty gone, but like it's it's a lot of
different parts, right, It's sort of on every part of
the ice, including a net, and so yeah, I think
I think that's a team that is still gonna be
in the conversation for you know, titles and the tournament
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at the end of the year. But I think sooner
rather than later, they gotta they gotta show a little
bit of fire and that they're they're gonna figure this out.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And Cornell is four games into its season because they
started later than everyone else the Apes generally do. But
they've played four games and they've allowed four goals. No
surprise there, right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Interestingly, it was you know, it's two goals in two
games and then two shutouts, and so it's it's that
sort of up and down is a little interesting, particularly
because I think, again no offense to to b C
and Harvard, but like Cornell, you know, the Final four
or Frozen fourteen from last year. I was a little
surprised at the two goals given up in some of
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the so, you know, again like I'd just like to
see some of that stability, like who are you? What
is what is the makeup of this team? And what
are we going to be able to expect from you?
And and sort of two statement wins this week and
from them I think would really sort of solidify that
they're you know, this is the team that they are,
and then they want to be in the Frozen Worgan
this year.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
In Hockey East, Boston University which got its first one
of the season last week against New Hampshire as a
whole and home series number twelve Northeastern, so critical Hockey
East points on the line there when it's going to
come down to it if those teams are going to
be involved in the title race, could be some important
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points this weekend.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean, I we talked about it with ECC
but this week, but I think in the past, we know,
even previewing Hockey East, like we know that literally everything
is going to matter there. I think we saw it
come down to the very you know, last weekend, and
we saw the Hockey East tournament come down to a
number of overtime games. I just think the margins here
could not be slimmer and and you just really have
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to to go out there and take advantage and take
what is available to you. It's one of the things
that I feel like their teams just generally are haven't
done right. Like that's the fire that I'm talking about
in those other games. I want to see someone go
out here and be like, no, like this is ours,
Like come take it from us. And so that's that's
what I'm always looking for from a Hockey East team
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because I feel like that that bit is not has
not been shown to the best advantage.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
That has been the history correct, Okay, anything else the
paying attention to this week.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
That playing each Other's Sacred Heart and Saint Anselm both
tied at the top of the conference with ten points.
Want to point out that, you know, we mentioned assumption,
but like they're still three zero and one in, they're
in in their conference, they're you know, one point back
with nine points. So I just you know, excited to
see a newer team and a team that has you know,
sort of generally been lower in the standings, be in
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that position, so excited to see if they can continue
to keep it up. But yeah, that's st Ansel's Sacred
Heart series. I think is going to be sort of crucial.
And I imagine because when I say that, it usually
means that they just split and we don't learn anything
more to help us figure it out. But I'll be
looking at those, you know, sort of again the minutia
those games to see you who might be who might
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have those the advantage, and I think whoever comes out
with more points, assuming it's not a split, is it's
going to have the edge heading you know, looking for
the regular season championship.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yep, A lot to pay attention to this weekend. Can
follow all the scores on us CHO dot com. You
can check out Nicole's recap after the weekend on us
c h O dot com and also at Victory Press.
We thank you for listening. We hope you will get
in touch with us if you have any questions or
comments anything like that, but otherwise we will talk to
you next week. For Nicole, I'm Todd. Thanks for listening
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to the podcast.
Usccho dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Todd Moleski and Nicole Hosey with you to talk women's
college hockey. Nicole, there was a lot of interesting results
last weekend. We're going to get into a lot of them.
We're also going to look ahead to a what looks
pretty exciting weekend to come with each of Friday and
Saturday having five games of right teams on both sides
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of them, so that should be exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But looking back at last weekend, we saw the first
weekend play in ECAC hockey and we saw three teams sweep,
six teams split, three teams get swept. Part of the course,
It would have been part of the course if there
had been everyone sitting here, all twelve teams sitting here
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at one in one right, but didn't quite that far.
We had three no starts or two no starts by
three teams. Clarkson, Saint laws and Cornell, your thoughts on that, Well.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm not sure I'd have no offense to Saint Lawrence,
but I wouldn't have put money on them being one
of the three teams that swept. It's been a rough
start to the season for them, So you know, kudos
to them for forgetting on track when it's really necessary
for conference play. So yeah, I just think if you'd
have asked me before this weekend, who would have swept
and who would have gotten the losses? I think I'd
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gotten of most of that wrong. You know, we had
previously eight no Quidipiac suffered their first loss this weekend. Yeah,
I don't know it was. It's it feels like we're
gonna we're in for a lot of chaos in the
e CEC, which we know that I love, and you know,
I think coaches like to say, like, oh, our comfort
is so tough. You know, every game you have to
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be prepared for. But I feel like that that's sort
of so true for them this season, and like not
in the coaching aphorism sort of way. There's just you
had Dartmouth bree beating Clark or Colgate, you had Brown
beating Quinnipiac. Like it's just it's going to be top
to bottom. You can't you can't take your foot off
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the gas. You have to, you know, fight from from
whistle to whistle. So I think we're gonna see I
think it's gonna be a lot less clear cut in
the ECAC where we have like a line of the
top teams and and sort of the bottom teams, and
it feels like there's gonna be it's gonna be a
much tougher, grittier, dirtier fight this year.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, and those because everyone plays each other, if I'm
remembering it right, everyone just plays each other the two
times correct, and so you get to twenty two games.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Uh, and then the rest of it is non conference.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So uh, the one time everyone plays each other home
and away really feels like there's that margin for air
is less and less because of that, and where you
get to see a you know, a Cornell and ah, well,
let's just throw somebody at Clarkson when when they play,
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those games feel really really big and it's tough to
get those points back if you don't win them. So
when quinnpiac drops points against Brown like they did one
nothing on Saturday, that's an important result. India mcdatti, you
got the goal. Rory Edwards made thirty three saves there.
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Brown rebounding after losing the Princeton on Friday, So it's
a little bit of that. You know, Brown, we had
talked about them as being a team to watch and
well didn't start well but came back and got a
pretty good win the second night of the weekend last
last week.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, and I think, you know, it's like we've talked about,
you know, when we talk about Hockey East, where like
sort of you really have to win the points that
like on paper, you're supposed to win. That's that's what
we're kind of talking about here. That's like not you know,
sort of begging on any of the teams that are
unrinked or or any of that sort of stuff. But
it's just that we think points are going to be
at a super premium and so when you want to
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be fighting for that title, leaving those points you know,
on the board or dropping them or however you want
to say it, like that is just that's absolutely going
to have an effect. And to your point of sort
of only one one home, one way opportunity against each team,
you know, it's not like you can say, like, well,
what we did in October, you know, it doesn't in
some of the other conferences, like you have that opportunity
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to really be playing a team at your peak, and
the way that that large conference in the scheduling goes
like you you might be playing, particularly if you're an
IVY team that just hit the ice, like you might
be playing you know, these ranked and top teams like
while you're still ramping up, and that may play into
how things shake out when it comes to February. So yeah,
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there's just there's really no opportunity for ramping up and
there's no opportunity for having a bad day. And I
think those are the sort of things that like you
might get away with it possibly in some of the
conferences that have a little more parody, But it looks
like ECAC is just going to be a dog fight
for everybody every week.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And I think of Quinnipiac and they gave up two
goals on the weekend and only got one win, and
that's a tough way. They won three nothing or three
one sorry at Yale on Friday Felicia Frank twenty five
saves there for the Bobcats. That's that's tough, you know,
giving up two goals and only coming out with a
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split of the weekend. But that's that's the thin margin.
It seems like it's there in a lot of these
games that we've seen so far non conference as well.
For Quinnipiac that you know, it needs to get up
there in goals or it's or it's going to be
a little bit more challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, and I point out too, I'm pretty sure Brown's
goal was on the power plane. As we get into
talking more of these games, like you'll you'll sort of
hear that as a refrain, is that, like how influential
you know, one penalty, one wrong move can be on
the outcome of a game. And so we're talking thin margins,
that's what we're talking about, right, Like there is like
one mistake was made and that Brown was able to
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take advantage and then you know, shut down anything else
kind of pay I've tried to do. And you know, well,
like I said, we'll get into this with some of
the other games, but I was it was a little
shocking to me writing recaps and watching this weekend like
that you could really pinpoint one or two things that
really flipped some of these games and turned it from
like you might be able to earn a massive upset
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to things got out of hand for you that quickly.
So it's, uh, I guess I've just been it's been
like really high stakes and really like there's I'm surprised
we're talking about this much minutia in late October. I
guess that's surprise, but like it's just as we generally
talk about ramping up the season and like, you know,
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things in October you sort of can build, But right
now it feels like there's none of that and sort
of literally every every shift, every everything matters, which is
is hard to believe when you get to March to
talk about to look back and be like that might
have been the turning point.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, Yeah, I get the feeling we'll be talking
about thin margins throughout the season because there we know
there are a lot of games that that aren't close,
but the ones between the teams that are going to
end up at the top of.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The conference generally are.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And it's it's going to be fun to follow that
I think you'd mentioned before Colgate following to Dartmouth four
to two on Friday, Kelly Dixon with two goals for Dartmouth,
Mikaela Heshevo with thirty four saves. It's I think one
of those like, Okay, let's let's kind of take stock
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of all the like you mentioned before, the points that
the teams have dropped and along the way against teams
that maybe we weren't expecting to be in the top four.
That's what's going to end up deciding. You know, when
it comes to the half points that you getcy hockey
full points there are going to matter at the end
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for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And I'd have to say, like Dartmouth has my attention,
Like I think Mikhilahsheva is one of the best goalies
like internationally in her age range. She had a great
season last year, like amazing numbers compared to like their
final sort of record and things like that. So the
fact that Dartmouth went out and put up four goals,
I mean period, but on that team, it definitely has
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me going, oh so it was that an anomaly? Are
we going to see more of that? So for me,
it was not just that Dartmouth got the win, but
there if they're if they've found some offense as well,
they're going to be a team really to reckon with
more than I think people might have expected or would
be prepared for.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Let's look west for a little while, where we talked
last week about what impact is it going to have
on Ohio State and Minnesota both being without two players
after they melee at the end of their game last week.
That's their second game last week. In the end in
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the results, not not really a lot. Ohio State home
swoop of Saint Cloud. State Minnesota goes on the road
to sweep Minnesota Duluth.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Kind of status quo there where it looked like there
were some chances for the lower ranked teams there for
Saint Cloud and for Duluth, but not able to get
in the wind column last week.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Let's start with.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The Ohio State Saint Cloud game on Saturday, where Saint
Cloud is up tune to nothing. Early in the third period,
they scored to go up tune to nothing, but then
it's the joy Don show the rest of the way
with the help of five minute power play.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's exactly the game. I was thinking of what I
was saying that earlier, like on one play and we
never really did. It happened along the near board, so
they're because of the camera set up there. We never
really did get a great review and.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I know your favorite setup.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, well, particularly because it felt like the commentators felt
like it was very clear cut and based on the
very little we could see from from the review, I
thought I don't. I'm not sure I'm seeing it, and
that's not it very much could have been. I have
no idea, but for a penalty that became such a
huge turning point in that game and basically you know,
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sort of put the win out of Saint Cloud's hands.
I really wished we could see better what was called there.
It was just particularly two that was happening at the
same time as Minnesota Duluth game where we are. Some
of our Minnesota to Louth friends were not very happy
with the officiating, and I thought, oh, there is a
lot going on here at once, and so yeah, I
would have liked to see better. But yes, I you know,
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great from Saint Cloud State. I thought they played, you know,
the exact game they would want to play in that situation,
and and they really what's interesting for Ohio State is
like the switch that was flipped, like they got that
opportunity and it was over. They scored one. You knew
it wasn't only gonna be one, right, So it's uh, yeah,
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I guess a little unfortunate. But again, like you just
you have to play smarter hockey, like you can't. You
can't be putting yourself in you can't. You can't be
pinning players against the wall and taking the opportunity of
hits from behind her head contact. You know, it seems
like it's been a little more reckless early on, and
and man, that poor player, you know that that changed
that game, flipped it immediately. And so that's what we're
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talking about. We're seeing the smallest of margins and the
like one thing that can change the game. Because that
went from Saint Cloud State up to nothing in a
great position in the third period, to to upset Ohio
State to to you know, that game completely got out
of hand for them very quickly. Right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It was five to one on Friday and then four
to two the final for Ohio State on Saturday. Joy
Donn got the two goals to tie it, then have
a pecial scored to go ahead, and then don scored
to believe in empty netter or if it was, it
was in the last minute, so I'm not sure, but
if that was for the hat trick. Let's move over
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to Duluth, where Minnesota got a fourd nothing win on
Friday with Hannah Clark making twenty four saves and Avia
Lindsay scoring twice, and then a three to two victory
on Saturday with a pair of goals from Abbie Murphy,
who up to NCA leading total to fourteen in goals
and twenty one in points. The Friday game on the
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Duluth side, v Gascon had to leave because of an
injury as I understand it, but she did return to
play on Saturday. So maybe a little bit of a
concern there briefly for not only the Luth but also
international Canada concerns. When you're talking about rivalry series coming
up next weekend of I'm remembering my calendar, right, So
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a lot of things happening in that series, but the
end result of Minnesota comes out of it with two
more wins to improve to nine in one.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah. On top of everything and all we've been talking
about with minnesot I think the one thing I want
to mention is that I think Hanna Clark, their goalie,
is you know, we said some nice things about her
last year too, but she might be the most underrated
part of that team at this moment. It is not
that Minnesota Duluth was fully dominated, particularly in that second game,
but Clark just she plays so smoothly, she moves so
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well across the Crease. There were a number of times
that I thought Duluth was about to score, like your
your seconds from being like, oh, that's so exciting, and
then she just slides across and abs the buck really
like honestly, it looks effortless. So she's just a really
key part to what they're they're gonna be able to
continue to do this season. It's not just that they
are scoring lots of goals. She's also just this huge
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change maker for them. But yeah, I think, you know,
probably a disappointing series from Minnesota Duluth. They're still I
feel like they haven't found the rhythm that I think
they like. The pieces haven't come together to make the
unit better than the pieces. Does that you like that
the sum is not yet? Has it all come together yet?
They have? There's some flashes and you can see what
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you know, Kaitlyn Clark can do with the puck. Kaitlynd Clark. Wow,
Kaitlyn Kramer wrong sport.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
That'd be amazing if she could. But I don't know
if she's a skater, wouldn't put it past her.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But any Gramer, you know, Jersey Saint Markins some of
these players. But I'm not sure that it does all
sort of fluidly come together for that squad. Yet where
it's like one really great unit that is playing a
full great sixty minutes, I think that there is more.
The ceiling is higher than what they've been able to
put together so far.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Also in Minnesota last week, maybe the game of the
weekend in Saint Paul on Friday, the opening game of
Lea Penny Anderson Arena, which looks, I mean just from
seeing it in pictures and seeing it on video, looks amazing.
At Saint Thomas, Saint Thomas had a non comfort series
with Providence to open it up and ends up with
(14:55):
a split. But man, then that under sells the what
we saw on Friday, ends up seven to six in
overtime for Providence with reichen Kirk Mayers poring four goals,
including the winner. So after at Natural had to tie
(15:15):
correct to take a two to nothing game to five
to two, Saint Thomas comes back, takes the lead six
to five, and then I believe it was Jesse Pellerin
scored in the final minute to send it to overtime
for Providence.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, A lot to deal with there, A lot to
handle as you're watching what was really kind of a
there's a lot of ceremony with that game of you know,
what's the first this, what's the first this? Well, there's
your first four goal scorer, and it just happens to be,
you know, in your first game.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, and even going back right, the very first goal
in that game was twenty three seconds in Providence took
the lead firs and then you know, it's two to
two at the end of the second and you're like, okay,
or at the end of the first, and then the
second gets completely out of control for you know, Providence
runs away with it, and so yeah, that third period
was just like what, I'm so confused, Like you look
at that final score if you watched Eddie point in
that game and walked away, and you're like, I what
(16:08):
did I miss? And honestly, the weirdest part is that
third period didn't feel that prenetic, like you're like, if
I tell you what was five to so like you know,
many more goals are coming and you're like, all right, well,
there's like twelve minutes left on the clock and we're
still sort of like it was just a very strange situation.
I mean, I felt like maybe Providence was sitting back
a little and happy with their lead, and I feel like,
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you know, maybe that kicked that that intermission kicked Saint
Thomas a little bit in the button and they were like, Okay,
this is not how we want to go out in
our first game in our new home. But Providence was not.
Like if you just watched that third period, Providence was
barely in the offensive zone, like they weren't possessing the puck,
they weren't really moving it. I will say I think
the shot total was probably not well kept in that game,
(16:54):
or we just had some I mean, the tweets from
that game were coming out, you know, hours afterwards. I
think there's probably some life issues the sound out something
and the sound on the game did not match up
to the actual videos and stuff like that. So I'm, uh,
we'll give it a pass. But Providence had the same
number of shots before and after a goal, so that's
difficult to believe. Uh but yeah, so but if you
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look at the numbers, you're like, how did Providence score
seven goals because it looked like they never held the
puck in the third period, And then yeah, it was
It was very interesting to watch Saint Thomas chip away
and then all of a sudden and you're like, okay,
this is amazing. They've totally controlled this. This what great
for them when their first you know, their first game
at home and it's like they forgot what Providence was
(17:37):
capable of it had done earlier, and so Krishmuer just went,
you know, does what she does in the in overtime
peller and tied it with thirty seconds to go. It
just it was It was such a strange game, but
like delightfully fun if you're not a fan of either team.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Absolutely that was just like I had it on in
the background here as I was doing other things. It
was like every time I looked up for that, there
was another goal. Dupe the start yep, here we go again.
So yeah, that's uh, those are the yeah, the best
games when you are not tied to either program, because
it's just enjoyment. There's action or if you like or
(18:14):
if you're a fan of goaltending, I mean, or if
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Replace their Goali at one point and yeah, it's uh,
it was interesting. But I said to you before we
came on, it's what's with all the scoring and bunches?
I feel like we never see you know, four goal
outputs or you know, we had two natural hat tricks
this weekend and I think three or four total hat tricks.
Just it's very interesting to me. We tend to not
the parody in like the way that teams match up.
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You tend to not see one player doing, you know,
being able to do everything, Like the defenses are too
good to let one player do all that. So yeah,
Breaking Kursemeyer had a heck of a game here, and yeah,
it's interesting to me. It's something I feel like I'm
gonna be keeping an eye on because you just tend
to not see that very often. We didn't. We didn't
in the ECS even and Yale Krena d' antonio also
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had a hat trick. So yeah, I don't. It's strange,
it's interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, Saint Thomas bounced back for a five on win
on Saturday to get that split. Let's bounce back East
quickly before we take a break. Hockey East BC Boston
College out to a three and oh start after winning
at Merrimack two to one on Saturday. They also beat
Holy Cross in Providence a couple of weeks ago. That's well, right,
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we've seen where Bus had its struggles. They did finally
get a win last week. But now as we're looking
in the more you know, conference games, we're starting to see, well, okay,
BC's played three conference games and one of all that's
that's what's going to go a long way in the
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end of what the playoffs look like. There is you know, yeah,
maybe the non conference didn't go well. They you know,
they went out to Minnesota and.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, they had a tough go of it, Like, yeah,
it had a rough time. Yeah, but it was a
tough schedule.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But now you're back in your conference and if if
you can dial that in that that looks okay.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
You know, we said, like the conference is the most important.
One of the series this weekend that I thought was
really interesting was was Yukon and Mercyhurst, which was maybe
closer than I expected it would have been. So I
know that mercy Hurst would lad to their series events
Penn State to show them off a little more. But
mercy Hurst, I think is a team that's going to
continue to be someone we've got to keep an eye on,
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and I think that was probably a little eye opening
for for Yukon. They eked out, you know, for three
win and yeah, I just uh, interesting is really the
word of the week. I think, just like, hmm, that
is not how I expected that to go.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
We we learned as we.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Go here is Uh doesn't matter how long we've been doing.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
What we think now is not what we're going to
be thinking in February. I guarantee you that. So and
that's the fun of it is that we're going to
figure it out as we go along, and for sure
maybe we'll know something by the end.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't hold out.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I never feel like I really do. But okay, let's
take a pause there.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
When we get back, we will talk about what's coming
in this upcoming week, which is a action packed week
when you look at it on the on the schedule,
so plus some international hockey news.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Stay with us on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Welcome back to the podcast. Todd and Nicoll with you
with a brief international break here before we actually get
to an international break which comes next week. Some news
cut coming from Sweden this week, where Erica Holst has
been named the full time coach of Sweden for the
period starting after the Olympics. This coming well, in this
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res this coming February. Nicole, I know you wrote about
this on Victory Press. Erica Wholse a Hall of famer
at both in Sweden and at Minnesota Duluth where she
was part of national titles in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
How big of a step is this.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Would you say, for her and also for Sweden to
move in that direction.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I think it's kind of huge for both. Interestingly, like
she says that, you know, coaching, she was doing some
like hockey development stuff but not necessarily coaching, and her
former U m D in Sweden teammate Kim Martin said hey,
do you want to coach and brought her over to
for Lunda, where Kim is the GM and Erica led
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Forlinda to the SDHL title last year sort of kind
of famously big deal. They upset Lulia who had sort
of a stranglehold on that championship. This year for Lunda
has won their first fifteen in a row. So just
did She seems to be a really natural coach. I
always think it's super important to get more women coaching,
particularly internationally, and then there's someone sort of no one
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better than Erica in Sweden. She was the first woman
inducted into the Swedish Hockey Hall of Fame. She appeared
in three hundred and twenty seven games for Sweden internationally,
four Olympics, eleven World Championships. As as Todd mentioned, she
was a national champion at Minnesota luth in two thousand
and one, two thousand and two, two thousand and three.
She had two hundred and four points in one hundred
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and twenty seven games, which is ridiculous numbers. She was
a captain of the senior national team. Like there's there's
something to be said for someone that's been there and
done it all then taking over for a team, it's
just it's a really huge step. And she's someone so
she actually played. If you're all familiar with international hockey.
In Sweden, they have something called TV Puckin, which is
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their like U sixteen boys national tournament. They now have
a girls' version, but she played in the She's one
of the only women that ever played in the boys version,
and so she has sort of seen this whole growth
from women talking when when nobody liked that girls were playing,
there weren't opportunities and and you know, she got some
hate for playing in that tournament. Now to leading for
(24:15):
Lunda in the SDHL and sort of the current landscape
of women throw in international hockey, and so I just
think it's a it's a huge hire. It's really cool
to see a former player get that. And again, like
this is someone who came to the NCAA sort of
at the very beginning, in the very early years, and
so I think there's just so many experiences and and
(24:36):
things that she can teach and know and and help
that team sort of get back to where they want
to be, which is, you know, perpetually competing for for
a bronze medal and hopefully more. But the first thing
they got to do is get back into that like
three four position, which is just not somewhere they've been recently.
So I think, you know, they they were doing okay.
I don't think there's any huge reason for the change.
They're leaving their current coach there through the Olympics. She
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is close out the SDHL season, But yeah, I think
it's a it's a huge opportunity for for Sweden and
back to the U eight teams that were there two
three years ago when I was there, they really seem
to be making a push to put a focus on
girls and women's hockey. The federation is they're really trying
to make sure that the SDHL is a growing is
(25:21):
it opportunity for homegrown talent, and so they like there
are rules about how many players in Sweden need to
be on h team or things like that, and so
I just I think it's another good step that shows
that their federation is is serious in trying to continue
to grow and compete and be a player at that
international level, which I think is just important. You know,
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I think maybe some of that came naturally to certain countries,
you know, sort of in the early days of the
World Championships and the Olympics, and now we've seen like
one check Ye put that huge investment in like what
that did. So I'm glad to see other countries sort
of responding to that and not just resting on like well,
we've always just done okay in hockey, and people grow
up playing here, so we have some good players. So
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I'm just hoping it's another good stuff for them.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, we will talk more international hockey next week ahead
of the rivalry series US and Canada, but let's get
back to looking ahead to NCAA Games this week, where
I'd mentioned before Friday and Saturday, you've got each day
five games between teams that are ranked in top fifteen,
which is ridiculously good scheduling. So whoever did it salute
(26:32):
to you? No, not really, but it really just sometimes
it means that there, well, there are six ranked teams
in WCHA and they have to be you know, going
against each other this week, and then a couple matchups
of ECAC teams as well.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So let's take a look at some of those.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Let's start Minnesota number three at number one Wisconsin Friday
and Saturday. Wisconsin last season did what no one has
ever done before and win six games against Minnesota in
one season. I know that lives on with the Gophers.
The Gophers who now are deeper, They can be more
(27:12):
than Abby Murphy offensively.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Much more.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
They are obviously you mentioned a great goaltending, but they
have to go into Lebon Arena and show it. That's
easier said than done for most teams, but I know
they take that as a challenge and Brad Frost is
going to have them ready to go at it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yes, I think that's I mean with Minnesota Wisconsin border
battle like that's perpetually a really you know, sort of
like Circle down the Calendar, really fun and interesting series.
But the minutia that you you know, some of the
stuff that you just mentioned, the small details or what's
going to make this interesting. Like you know, Wisconsin has
had some injuries to their top liners, but if you
mentioned some of them, we're back in practice, you said
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on social media, and so like you know, it's not
Wisconsin after whole strength, but also Wisconsin was missing Leila
Edwards and Christensen's and Landy Potter and clear and right
stepped up to the top top line and had an
amazing weekend and ended up as w C h A
Ford in the week. So, as I said on social media,
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this is why people hate Wisconsin, you know, it's it's
they just they just move up the next great player
and they step up into that role. But I yeah,
I think there's just a lot of sort of like
variables and and how those things sort of match up
and play out. There's there's not a lot of surprises
between these two teams. Those two coaches know each other,
respect each other very well. We always talk about it
being a chess match, but I'm not sure that there's
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either anything Mark or Frosty could do that would shock
the other one. And and also neither one of them
is uh much for shock and awe, right, like they're there,
they're kind of old school dudes, and so yeah, I
think it'll be interesting. I think officiating is gonna play
a huge part. I think both teams need to be smart,
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keep that in check. And there's gonna be pushy chovy,
and there's gonna be extracurriculars and like you got to
be able to just skate away from it and go
over to the faceof dot and and that's gonna be
on both sides. So I think, yeah, it's how the
games officiated, how tightly it's officiated. I think we'll have
a very interesting impact. And I think to special teams
like you just you can't give either of these teams
(29:21):
additional opportunities. And so yeah, that's the that's where all
the fun is going to be in these games, right,
Like who's doing better at face offs, who's gonna, you know,
make those mistakes or get called for things? And yeah,
I I I'm a little worried about the physicality and
and just like I feel like I'm on the edge
of my seat in terms of like I'm gonna watch
(29:41):
through my fingers. We add all of this that it's
on Halloween and Madison, which is a ridiculous, ridiculous thing
to be doing, but here we are.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Will be a fun walk back to the car after
the game Friday night.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
About you think you've her taken this one?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So I I remember from last year, I don't remember
the stats exactly, but I know Wisconsin held Abby Murphy
to be very quiet scoring wise. I don't know if
she scored at all in those six games, and I
can't remember off the top of my head if that's
true or not, but it was limited. But I feel
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like the Gophers have more to push with this year,
and so maybe exactly there there's there's secondary and more
support after that. So, uh, that will be a difference.
I don't know how much of a difference. I don't
know what it's going to look like. I mean, we
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still got really good defenses and really good goalies on
both sides, so a lot of factors going into that.
You mentioned, you know, penalty, special teams, power players are
gonna be huge if we even get there. We've seen
some games where uh it, our phrees tend to even
it out. You know, if there's a penalty, well well
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we're taking two, so no power play. But yeah, it's
it should be a good one. It's it's one of
a few good ones around the w c h A
this week because also number five Minnesota lou that number
ten Saint claud State, in a series of teams that
are looking to rebound after coming close last week, like
we said against Ohio State and against Minnesota, but not
(31:27):
quite not quite getting there.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So who do you think do we feel.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like there's a team that needs it more than that
needs a couple of wins more? I mean, I don't
know I can make arguments by.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, I mean just in terms of sort of like
where you end up in the standings in like Saint
Cloud's States position is more preherious, you know, they're lowered
down and so they're more looking to solidify that like
they're going to make the tournament. But I do I
think Minnesota Duluth needs a couple big wins. I think
they need both for themselves and for the sort of
their their larger reputation, UH to to get a couple
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of wins and come out against a ranked team and
improve that. Like this is the number five team in
the country. You know, one thing that will be interesting
here is is my impression of Saint Cloud's state the
past few weeks has just been their quickness, their their
fast breaks, their transition, like they have put on the
speed this year. When they played St. Thomas two weeks ago,
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it was like watching a track meet, just up and
down the ice. And that is generally not Minnesota de
loose thing, particularly like they're they're very solid when they're
set in their defense, and so how they handle that
and it's just not the style they play. It's not
that I don't think that they can handle it, but
you're talking to sort of stylistically two very different approaches there,
and so how that shakes out. I think this is
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kind of going to be the thing that decides what
happens in this game. Those games.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Saint Thomas, what you had mentioned last week, has been
on a long startch of road games to allow their
arena to be ready. Now gets back to back home
series and this time it's number two Ohio State coming
in for the first uh you know, w c h
A games in and Anderson Arena. It doesn't get any
easier for Saint Thomas here that after that wild game
(33:17):
last Friday, having Ohio State coming in, but they've they've
shown they can play with the Buckeyes and and be
right there with them and and you know, get a win.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
At the end.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's interesting. There's usually I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
That sort of matches up well against the other one,
and for some reason, it's seeing Thomas against Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, And and so that's why I don't put anything
past the Tommies. This week is a you know, they're
they're gonna feel like they've been up to the challenge before.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
They had two one goal overtime losses. Basically they they
pushed Ohio State to their limit and and sort of
ran out of gas there at the end. And so
I think those are huge lessons learned. I'm sure that
it's something they've been working on it talking about since
that happened. And yeah, So in that way, I think
that those games last weekend were really important and prepping
(34:07):
for for this series and that that is going to
be interesting for sure. I think I think Ohio States
showed how adaptable they are last a week. You know,
they had two defenders on their third offensive line and
didn't have any issue like it. You wouldn't have known
any different, and we knew that, but it's still it's
another thing to go out and do it. And so
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I think the problem maybe even more so than in
years past, Not that Ohio State has ever not been deep,
but I think their depth is even even greater this year.
Like the talent that you're talking about playing on second
and third lines here are like international, These are these
are women that are going to continue to be international superstars.
Hilldis Fenson has just been you know, sort of off
the charts good and so I just think you're going
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to continue to see like that team grow and and
so I think maybe for seeing Thomas, it's it's good
to see them a little earlier here this season when
they might match up little better. But I think that's
where Ohio State is going to prove most difficult. It
is that it's sort of that relentlessness that they're so
known for that they really try for is like literally
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for the full sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, in ECAC hockey, we had number four Cornell and
number eleven Colgate hosting ranked teams as travel partners.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
They flip flop.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So on Friday it's number fourteen Yale at Cornell and
number fifteen Brown at Colgate and then reverse those on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm looking for Colgate.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
To show some signs of stability here. I think this
is the point where, Okay, it's been a little bit
of a bounce back and forth start to the season.
When you've got two games at home against Yale and Brown,
this is an important point for them to show that
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they can get to wins in a week.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think, like you said, stability, but also
just like show some fire that like that's not that's
not the expectation for us, and we don't like that
that happened, and and we're gonna come back out with
some fight. It's one of the things we talk about
me sometimes not seeing from teams other times, and so
I yeah, that to me would be like even if
it's a loss, Like I think they just really need
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to come out and like put really play their hockey,
really try and put their print on the game. And
that I think we'll say more than than the final
score will. I think they just we need to see that,
like it just feels like they haven't quite kind of
like I was saying with Minnesota, Delu, like it just
hasn't all come together for them. Like I think they're
still struggle struggling a little bit to sort of define
(36:44):
who they are after you know, some really big name
graduation players graduated last year, and so like, what does
this team look like now? And that's not just like
having Culty gone, but like it's it's a lot of
different parts, right, It's sort of on every part of
the ice, including a net, and so yeah, I think
I think that's a team that is still gonna be
in the conversation for you know, titles and the tournament
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at the end of the year. But I think sooner
rather than later, they gotta they gotta show a little
bit of fire and that they're they're gonna figure this out.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And Cornell is four games into its season because they
started later than everyone else the Apes generally do. But
they've played four games and they've allowed four goals. No
surprise there, right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Interestingly, it was you know, it's two goals in two
games and then two shutouts, and so it's it's that
sort of up and down is a little interesting, particularly
because I think, again no offense to to b C
and Harvard, but like Cornell, you know, the Final four
or Frozen fourteen from last year. I was a little
surprised at the two goals given up in some of
(37:49):
the so, you know, again like I'd just like to
see some of that stability, like who are you? What
is what is the makeup of this team? And what
are we going to be able to expect from you?
And and sort of two statement wins this week and
from them I think would really sort of solidify that
they're you know, this is the team that they are,
and then they want to be in the Frozen Worgan
this year.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
In Hockey East, Boston University which got its first one
of the season last week against New Hampshire as a
whole and home series number twelve Northeastern, so critical Hockey
East points on the line there when it's going to
come down to it if those teams are going to
be involved in the title race, could be some important
(38:34):
points this weekend.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean, I we talked about it with ECC
but this week, but I think in the past, we know,
even previewing Hockey East, like we know that literally everything
is going to matter there. I think we saw it
come down to the very you know, last weekend, and
we saw the Hockey East tournament come down to a
number of overtime games. I just think the margins here
could not be slimmer and and you just really have
(38:58):
to to go out there and take advantage and take
what is available to you. It's one of the things
that I feel like their teams just generally are haven't
done right. Like that's the fire that I'm talking about
in those other games. I want to see someone go
out here and be like, no, like this is ours,
Like come take it from us. And so that's that's
what I'm always looking for from a Hockey East team
(39:19):
because I feel like that that bit is not has
not been shown to the best advantage.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
That has been the history correct, Okay, anything else the
paying attention to this week.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
That playing each Other's Sacred Heart and Saint Anselm both
tied at the top of the conference with ten points.
Want to point out that, you know, we mentioned assumption,
but like they're still three zero and one in, they're
in in their conference, they're you know, one point back
with nine points. So I just you know, excited to
see a newer team and a team that has you know,
sort of generally been lower in the standings, be in
(39:53):
that position, so excited to see if they can continue
to keep it up. But yeah, that's st Ansel's Sacred
Heart series. I think is going to be sort of crucial.
And I imagine because when I say that, it usually
means that they just split and we don't learn anything
more to help us figure it out. But I'll be
looking at those, you know, sort of again the minutia
those games to see you who might be who might
(40:15):
have those the advantage, and I think whoever comes out
with more points, assuming it's not a split, is it's
going to have the edge heading you know, looking for
the regular season championship.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yep, A lot to pay attention to this weekend. Can
follow all the scores on us CHO dot com. You
can check out Nicole's recap after the weekend on us
c h O dot com and also at Victory Press.
We thank you for listening. We hope you will get
in touch with us if you have any questions or
comments anything like that, but otherwise we will talk to
you next week. For Nicole, I'm Todd. Thanks for listening
(40:52):
to the podcast.
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