November 22, 2023 • 54 mins
Nicole Haase and Todd Milewski look back at Ohio State's sweep of Wisconsin in last week's No. 1 vs. No. 2 series and talk about the seven ECAC teams in the top 15. Nicole has an interview with NCAA national coordinator of women's ice hockey officiating Krissy Langley about what's behind the rise in the number of major penalties called early this season. And Nicole and Todd look ahead to the Thanksgiving weekend slate that includes tournaments in untraditional locations.
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We have a new number one teamin the country and it is the Ohio
State Buckeyes after a pretty comprehensive sweepof the former number one team, the
Wisconsin Badgers. I'm Todd Maluski.I'm here with the Cole Hosey on the
podcast. Thanks for joining us againthe Cole. I guess what was your
big takeaway from that series between theformer number one and the now current number
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one. It was a pretty completeperformance from Ohio State, like just start
to finish. I was just reallyimpressed with the pressure that Ohio State put
on, the way that they movedthe puck, just really everything. I
you know, we as we hadmentioned last week, we haven't seen a
lot of the top teams play eachother. I wasn't I hadn't seen a
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ton from Ohio State yet against atop opponent. And Wow, they really
showed. They really showed up andshowed off in this series. I was
really impressed with them. How aboutyou. One of the things I wrote
kind of even as the third periodof the second game was going on,
is that they're there aren't many teamsthat make Wisconsin look mediocre. And I
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really thought that over the last twoseasons and maybe even the last three seasons,
we've seen that happen out of OhioState doing that to Wisconsin multiple times.
We look back at the the seriesin Columbus last season, the five
to nothing game the second day,that was just a complete whitewashing of Wisconsin,
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which we don't see happen very often. And Ohio State has found the
secret sauce to do that, Ithink with put pressure, with spending as
much time as possible in the defense, in making Wisconsin spend as much time
as possible in the defensive zone,not giving them easy breakouts. These these
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are things that are that really stoodout to me and just seem to be
a you know, the calling cardof Ohio States. Game really put a
lot of pressure on on Wisconsin andgot the job done, and you know,
they need to overtime the second game. But I really still felt like
even though Wisconsin was better in thesecond game, better than they were in
the first game, Ohio State wasreally the team that was clearly a you
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know, the better team for theweekend. Yeah. Absolutely, I think
it's interesting that these do tend tohappen in Columbus. I'm not sure what
part of sort of their special sauceneed requires sort of some of that and
that why or how you know itworks that the obviously every game Ohio State
in Wisconsin place doesn't end up likethis, but yeah, they put pressure
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on the Badgers, and you know, the Badgers have some injuries. I
think there are you know, acouple. I feel like the youth of
the Badgers really showed in like sortof not being able to adapt when their
game was taken away from them.But like those aren't excuses Ohio State dominated.
I just thought like maybe without someof those players on the ice and
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players in playing in different roles oron different lines and things like that,
like, Wisconsin was just exposed prettybadly. And yeah, kudos to the
Buckeyes because they came out and reallyshowed up and showed out. So it
was for a Badger perspective, aBadger fan perspective, was not fun for
any of them to watch that game. But in terms of if you're looking
for really unique and interesting hockey,like you said, you're not going to
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see too many teams do that toa Mark Johnson team. And so for
for six street periods, well seven, wow, did the buck Eyes just
sort of seem to do everything right. Yeah, exactly. And so it's
the Buckeyes that are number one thisweek in the USACHO dot Com Division one
women's poll, and the Badger slippedthe number three, with Colgate moving up
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to number two. And that wasa you know, this is something that
you know, Wisconsin had come intothat series twelve and twelve and zero,
and we'd talk in the past thatyou know, maybe not necessarily as challenged
as as some of the other schoolsat the the upper reaches of the pole.
And I think maybe we saw thatin the fact that Colgate jumps ahead
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of Wisconsin to number two in thisweek's rankings. What was your your feeling
on that? And Colgate thirteen andone. Obviously they're they're you know,
they're just kind of you know,rolling along here early in this season.
But seeing seeing them at number two, what's uh, what's your your feeling
there? Well? I think,uh, you know, Wisconsin uh probably
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would not have been number one hadthey not started the season number one,
right, like the returning national championgets that nod and they just hadn't lost
to make anybody move them out ofthat position. So to me, it's
not surprising then with those two lossesand like, as we said, dominating
victories for Buckeyes that the Badgers droppeddown bul hole Colgate. Colgates only losses
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to Ohio State, and they alsothey have given Ohio State they're only loss.
So you know, if you seea team come out and show their
dominance, first of all, theyget to go to number one, and
in the team that has beaten themand has their only loss to them,
I think it absolutely made sense tomove Cogate up to number two. And
Colgate has played pretty much everybody rankedin the ECAC so far and come out,
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you know, without a loss inthe conference. So it's it's difficult
to argue with any of those voters. In fact, I like I voted
the same way I when I wentto write it down, and I didn't
consciously think about it, and thenI looked at you know, I always
look at what I voted last week, and I was like, well,
yeah, Kogate gets to be numbertwo now, Like there's just there was
no question in my mind looking atthat. And you know, they played
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their sort of perpetual biggest opponent orbiggest rival in the ECAC in Quinnipeac and
came out with the win this weekend. So yeah, I Colgate it's got
a really interesting roster. They've got, you know, Daniel Serdaknew, the
leading scorer in the country from lastyear, but they also have some really
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smart, savvy, interesting play youngplayers. I'm a big fan of Elisa
Beiederman, and I just think thatthey, you know, they're out there
kind of competing at a level higherthan everybody else in their conference, and
there they've been doing it, youknow, for a couple of seasons.
At this point, it feels likeat this point it's almost like quietly just
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kind of going out and doing theirbusiness and maybe not be the most flashy
team. I think what's really interestingfor them is that sud Acney this year
has kind of taken on a bitmore of a role of dishing the puck
in. The goalscorer thus far hasbeen Kalti calchun Kova, who is a
player that I think is still tryingto figure out the balance of being a
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big, physical forward and not sortof over using her size, and so
I think she's she's really starting toeven out and get comfortable in her game,
and she's really dynamic to watch,especially with Sir d Acney feeding her
the puck. Yeah, that wasa four to one win for Colgate over
Quinnipiac on Saturday. It was reallya big first period that got that done
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for Colgate. Biederman Carlton Cova scoredone in five on five, one on
a five on three power play uhto one break a tie, and then
to go up by two and emptyingthat or late was less scoring. So
that was a you know, Ithink we've we've seen, you know in
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the E C a C where you'regonna pretty much every we can you're almost
gonna be facing you're almost guaranteed tobe facing a A ranked team the way
that it's gone, uh at leastone every weekend because of the way that
the schedule works. That may bean exaggeration a little bit, but it
seems that way. Sometimes the thebest of the ACAC teams really just kind
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of need to keep the uh,the ball rolling here and and you know,
kudos the Colgate for doing that.Like you've said, it's you know,
there's a you know, a prettytalented cast there that that seems to
be getting the job done. Andyou know, it's you know, it
seems like they're they're kind of movingto the top of that pack, but
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you know it's Clarkson's in there.Cornell is still you know, they had
a rough week last week, butyou know you can't really rule them out.
Saint Lawrence's is lingering in there.These there's a bunch of teams that
feels like in the ec AC arereally just kind of, you know,
clawing their way to the top here. Do you see any separation happening there?
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I don't know if that if that'sreally anything that you can look at
yet. Uh, we're you know, more than the third of the way
into the season for some teams.But do you feel like there's that that
kind of of split happening between theThese are the teams that are going to
compete, and these are the teamsthat are just trying to hang on.
Well, I mean, I thinkmentioning all those other squads, like you
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said, Cornell losing, you know, they're two games of the season.
Saint Lawrence had been cruising and youknow, then had the loss to Princeton.
Was it Princeton and then But tome, what all those other teams,
all those other teams beating up oneach other sort of then shows even
more how how good Colgate is doing. Right, So the fact that Colgate
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is not kind of falling prey toany of these other of Cornell, Quinnipiac,
Clarkston, Saint Lawrence, Yale,Princeton, that Colgates come out through
that and still been the winner likedefinitely puts them, you know, sort
of ahead of everyone for me.But you know, Clarkson is technically currently
is undefeated, right, like theyhave two ties, but they they needed
a miracle to beat Brown this weekend. And so I think what's great about
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the ECC right now is of coursethere's all those ranked teams, but I
don't think there's an easy weekend forany of them, particularly because of the
way that they do the travel pairs. But you know, Saint Lawrence was
picked to finish six in this contentreference and like is now seventh in the
country, So I don't I don'tthink that you can really count anybody out.
And like Brown just continues to makethese great strides. Like obviously having
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a player like Chada Ginlam makes youknow, having her the dynamics that she
brings to the ice is huge.But like the entire team has come along.
You know, they had a threeto one win in the final or
a three month lead in the finalminute of that game, Clerks, And
there was also a ton of penaltiesand overlapping, and I will not try
to unravel all of that in termsof what it was five on three,
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five on whatever, but there wasdefinitely a point where Clarkson had two extra
skaters on the ice and so theyscored two extra like they they were up
two players, and then they wereup one player and they scored extra attacker
goals, two of them in thefinal like minute to force overtime, and
then could not you know, shutthe game down in that extra period.
So I think what's great about watchingthese games is that you just kind of
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never know. And we've seen youknow, new coaches in the past two
years of Brown at Dartmouth and reallysee the sort of second half of I
would say heightsing bottom half of theconference. But like that, those teams
that are not, you know,at the top of nationally ranked are still
teams that are You can't take anyweekend off and I think that's not entirely
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new this season for the ECC.It's sort of happened over the last couple
of years, but it does makefor a lot more fun that. Like
you said, you mostly don't seea weekend where you're not going to play
a ranked opponent. But those aren'tthe only games that they're they're gonna have
to worry about. Yeah. Ijotted down the records of the seven teams
from the ECAC who are in thetop fifteen really top thirteen in the US
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EHO rankings. Colgate thirteen oh one, Clarkson fourteen oho and two, Cornell
ten two and one, Saint Lawrencetwelve and three, Quinnipiac twelve and three,
Princeton seven to four and one,Yale five and five. And that's
a you know, a Yale teamthat just lost to last week to Saint
Lorance and Clarkson kind of running throughthe part of the schedule there to have
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that happen. But I mean,we know that can't continue that way where
all those teams are going to haverecords that good. But I just think
that they've really set themselves up whenyou're looking towards February and talking pairwise,
to be in the situation to havea bunch of AC teams in contention to
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make the add large segment of thetournament. Yeah, absolutely right, Like
Yale is five and five and theydid drop, you know to thirteenth,
you know, drop in sort ofair quotes there. Yeah, but at
five and five, you like,it's hard to discount a team or like
sort of drop them in the pollsbecause they're losing the teams ranked above them.
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And so yeah, we get especiallywhen you are at the bottom half
of the poll, right like onethrough seven and eight nine maybe usually gets
pretty clear. And then that secondhalf as you're talking about teams that have
losses, and you would get intocomparing who those losses are too, and
even how they looked in some ofthose games. And so yeah, I
think it's a ECAC definitely has anargument this year for being the best conference
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in the country. Right, Likethey're just week after week, these teams
are going out and doing it andthey're going to continue to set like the
fans are discovering what it means whenthe teams beat up on each other and
what that can do to rankings andto records, and so yeah, it'll
definitely be interesting to see how thatcontinues to shake out as the season moves
forward. Yeah. Over in thew CHA. Last week we were talking
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obviously about the Wisconsin Ohio State seriesat Ohio State won two games, but
the other teams in the two teamsin the top what's projected to be the
top half of the WHA or whatkind of historically has been also played last
week, but Minnesota got two winsat Minnesota Duluth to improve the nine to
two on the season. I feellike maybe we're we're seeing that there is
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that split there. I think we'reI was asking about a split in the
in the E C A C.We are definitely seeing it there between UH
three and four in the w Ch A. And maybe that's not a
surprise considering, you know, it'sbeen a for the last couple of seasons.
It's been a Wisconsin Ohiose State,Minnesota three, and then Minnesota Luke
being the four. And then you'relooking now at Saint Cloud, you know,
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charging its way up and kind ofthreatening to to push its way into
the top four, and Duluth hasto has to hold them off a little
if they want to keep that spotuh in in in the upper half of
the standings. Uh you know,with what Saint Cloud has done in the
last two seasons, uh to improveitself. So I just thought that was
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an important couple of wins for Minnesotato uh to establish themselves in that uh
you know, get those points hon the road, especially against one of
those teams that's expected to be kindof in that contention for for top half.
And that was a pretty impressive winfor for a couple of wins from
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Minnesota, which was helped if andyou can correct me if I'm wrong here,
I'm going off what you wrote inthis week's Monday piece. Helped by
a former Daluth player. Correct,Yeah, you want to mention anything about
that there? Yeah, well Iwas gonna see that that series Minnesota Duluth
Minnesota is always a close series.I do think it was closer games than
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maybe the scores ended up. AndI do think that that Minnesota really,
you know, they needed some outstandingperformances to take those wins. As that
team continues to find out and figureout like kind of who they are and
who can score goals aside from HabbieMurphy though at this point I'm not sure.
Maybe Abby Murphy is just going todo it all. Yeah, he's
doing it pretty well. Yeah,everybody knows she's the one that's gonna to
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do it, and she's still doingit, so you know, kudos to
her and to the Gophers. Butyeah, the you know, it was
it was a the Gophers were shootingmore, they were out shooting Minnesota Duluth,
but was a close game. Andyeah, the game winner for the
Gophers was scored by Taylor Stewart,who played four years at Minnesota Duluth.
So this was her first return toDuluth playing you know, sort of for
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the rivals, and uh, itwas a really you know, she's a
defender. It was a really niceplay where she is a player that doesn't
necessarily often step up from the blueline, but saw the puck, saw
the opportunity. You kind of seeher come from out of the frame in
the highlight video and just step inand bury that goal to score the game
winner. You know, the Gophersended up scoring an empty nutter as well.
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But yeah, it was definitely thepoetic It was zim poetic justice for
her or you know, sort ofan exclamation point for her. It was
pretty cool to see. Obviously thefans did not think so, but yeah,
it's interesting. I keep thinking thatMinnesota, you know, not figuring
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out that scoring depth or not,you know, sort of getting a one
B or a number two sort offorward stepping stepping up is going to be
an issue, but thus far ithas not. And so you know,
between the way that Minnesota played thisweek and the way Wisconsin played, I
would have said there was sort ofa you know, a half step between
one and two being Ohio State andthen down to Minnesota and Minnesota Duluth.
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But looking at the two performances thisweekend, I think that two and three
are much more contentious and up forgrabs at this point. So interesting when
those two teams play each other,for sure, Minnesota and Wisconsin. There
are a couple of big wins forl i U two and the New HA
last weekend against stone Hill. What'sand lu is kind of pushing to the
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top of that pack. What can'ttell us about that? Yeah, so
they are they made a program record, they're tenth straight win, they are
ten and zero in conference, andthey were playing stone Hill and the stone
Hill l A. You are twoof the three teams along with Saint Anselm,
on the top of a new hoststanding. So LAU getting those two
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wins really put themselves, uh,sort of in the driver's seat. They
have a couple fewer they have fourfewer games played than Saint Ansom in the
conference and two then Stone Hills,so they have the point lead in several
games in hand. And so theycame out theyuh really gutted out a one
oh win on Friday and then turnedaround and got a very convincing for one
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win on Saturday. So nice tosee them, you know, as a
new program, newer program, theyhave come out, you know and really
just shown themselves well to get thefirst and see a bid from New High
last season and there they've continued it, you know, continued it this season.
Tinjoholme had a forty four safe shutoutin that one oh win, so
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having that solid goalie is huge forthem, and then they just sort of
continue to roll. So kudos tothem. I just wanted to mention that
they've kind of put themselves in thedriver's seat the top that conference, which
is pretty cool. We'll stick aroundwith us. We will have more on
the podcast when we come back.Hi, welcome back. This is Nicole
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Hasey and this is the podcast rightnow. I'm talking to Chrissy Langley,
the NCAA coordinator of women's ice hockeyofficiating National coordinator. Christy is also USA
Hockey's national referee and chief of FemaleDevelopment. I noticed that there has been
an increase in major penalties this yearat NCAA hockey, and when I reached
out to NCAA, Christy said,yes, I've noticed that too, let's
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talk about it. So welcome Christy, Thanks for coming. Thank you,
Nicole. I'm excited to be hereand connect with you on this. Definitely
appreciate your perspective and an acknowledgment ofthe increase in major penalties. We were
just talking about it last week withthe coordinators of officials for each conference at
the division level, and we broughtit up at their coaches meeting also on
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Wednesday. Yeah, it was definitelysomething where I was like, I have
a feeling that there is more ofthis, but it's not actually something really
easy for sort of us on theoutside looking in to go look up.
So could you maybe share with us, you know, some of the stats
that you found, the details andwhat you think might have led to some
of this. Yeah, so Iasked for last year's breakdown of the whole
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season and compared it to this year'sup to date, and so there were
twenty seven major penalties up until themiddle of November last year twenty seven and
this year there have been sixty one. Oh my goodness, yeah, more
than double. And I'd say it'snot an officiating problem at all. I'm
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very proud of our officials for youknow, talking through these situations and calling
them as they see them. It'sdefinitely been a change in the physical contact
that we've had in the women's gameat the NCAA level, and that players
are seeing this level of physicality forthe first time when he get to college.
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So there's a pretty good conversation goingon amongst coaches and amongst the coordinators
of officials. You know, howis this happening, What is happening?
Is there something we need to doin the future, and how do we
how do we prepare the players alittle bit better protect them even more.
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You know, there's a lot ofconversation about you know, boys play checking
hockey quite a few years before theyget to college. Girls don't, right,
So that that's been eye opening inthe last two weeks and for me
in this new role, I meanUSA Hockey. Yeah, we have major
penalties, We have stuff that happenedthroughout the year, but not at this
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magnitude. Yeah, no, thatmore than double. Do you think just
kind of hypothesizing maybe that this wewill see maybe a little bit of flat
now. This comes with it beingthe beginning of a year and players just
sort of getting comfortable, particularly someof the younger players, and so not
necessarily knowing trying to ride that lineand not necessarily knowing where it is.
I hope it flattens out because thestats have been brought to coaches attention,
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and you know, if a playerreceives a third major penalty, they're out
a whole other game, right,So far as student athletes and player safety,
I hope it flattens out because theawareness is out there now, and
as you said, it's just there'sa different level of physicality in the women's
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college game, Like, yes,there's no checking, but obviously there's tons
of physicality and body to body contact. And I think it the major penalties
come because we're for player safety,right, Like we're talking about boarding,
particularly, which I think is whata lot of this ends up happenings hits
along the boards and unsafe hits forplayers. But I actually have that broken
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down as well. Cool, Sohitting from behind is actually up three times
it was last year. So it'sit's how a player is standing and getting
hit from directly from behind, whetherit's into the boards or in the open
ice. You know, like what'shappening there that that number has tripled.
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Contact of the head has also tripled, and you're right boarding has gone up
from two last year at this pointto twelve. Oh my goodness. Yeah,
So those are the big ones I'mkeeping my eye on, and I
know the coordinators of officials for eachconference are looking at as well. We've
been sharing clips pretty regularly, makingsure that we have a consistent standard across
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our conferences. And then you saidthose coordinators are then going to their conferences
and their coaches and sort of sharingthis information as well. Yeah, I've
seen some incredible memos and videos andconversations going out. I mean, the
Hockey East has a new coordinator thisyear, Derek Zuckerman. He's done incredible
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jobs regularly communicating with his officials.Gino Benda Junior has the ch A and
you know he's doing his role thisyear and he sends out regular videos to
his group, and it's been highlightingnot only these but some rule clarifications or
things that we need to get right. I've really appreciated seeing their notes.
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Yeah, I would say sort ofeye test and and you know, fan
conversation would be that that they don'talways feel that the officiating is consistent between
conferences, that things, particularly whenyou see intraconference match interconference matchups are when
just just it doesn't always feel likeit's being called consistently across the country.
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So it sounds like that's something thatyou are sort of focusing on and making
sure that that starts to figure outin the future. You know, I've
heard that statement quite a bit.And the first thirty days in my role,
I met with all the different conferencecoordinators and you know, what's been
going on, what's worked, whathasn't worked, Who are the officials in
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your conference, and what are theinitiatives by the conference and how can I
support Because my role is national base, it needs to be more macro level
as they're diving in deep with theirofficials throughout the season. And the sentiment
of last year's people felt the standardgot better, people felt the consistency across
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the country was way better. AndI'd say from the officials I've seen the
games I've been able to observe bothonline as well as in person, I'm
not seeing dramatic differences. That's good. It's interesting, right, You never
know what everybody has biases, andif you're a fan of a particular team
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or conference, you're sort of onlywatching those games and maybe one or two
outside. So I definitely know thatit is the perception, even if it
isn't necessarily the reality. Right,Right, And so with my used to
hockey role, that one's very intentionallyfocused on female development female officials, and
one thing I absolutely have to learnin this role is who are the key
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male officials across every conference. That'sone big area for me. I need
to know who those big male officialnames are and make sure that they're in
the running for postseason for NCAA,because that's that's the big part of my
role is assigning the nca officials.So our conference coordinators are, you know,
drawing up their list. Here's ourlong list, here's the officials that
we need to start watching. ComeJanuary, we'll get that short list together
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and check to see how the officialsare doing, what headspace are they and
what type of penalties are they calling, how's their positioning? Are they injured?
You know what's going on. Andof the female officials across the country,
I know them right, you know, I've been working with them for
the last three seasons, if notlonger, So I have a pretty good
understanding of those officials. And Ifeel like their standards are pretty dang consistent
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and they get a ton of coaching, more so than some of these male
officials. Gotcha. And I wouldassume that many of those women came from
college, but like grew up playingthe game, played the game collegiately.
That that there's a ten tends tobe a pipeline that way as well.
Oh, that pipeline is beautiful.Yes, Definitely, officials that have worked
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played, they're working higher level hockey, whether it's American Hockey League or juniors.
You know, we've gotten into theAdvanced Officiating Development program this last year
with a pretty solid group of femaleofficials getting the you make the call of
videos from the junior program as wellas information from their conference coordinators. So
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there's this beautiful wealth of knowledge comingto that group. Experiences they can learn
through others and then stay consistent throughouttheir seasons. I wanted to ask you,
I mean kind of a crossover,but with your role, particularly with
USA Hockey, and we just knowthere's well there's always a need for more
officials, but particularly to the women'sgame. We would love to have more
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female officials. And sometimes when Ihave talked to officiating coordinators at conferences and
things like that, there hasn't alwaysbeen a clear idea of like how that
can happen or what that pipeline canreally look like. Like yes, they'll
mention two players like, oh,have you considered officiating? But I was
just curious kind of combining your twoknowledge bases in these two roles, if
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that's a focus for you in termsof like talking to players both at D
one and D three and creating moreof a pipeline of those former players,
oh and getting them into officiating,Nicole, that was an interview question and
something I'm super passionate about. Sonot only the USA Hockey position, So
even before I was in it,I was the referee supervisor for an adult
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women's league in Minnesota for seven years. In that league, Wham played out
of Augsburg Ice Arena and we gotto see a ton of Augsburg women's ice
hockey games. Well, a girlfriendof mine, Lee Rizilo, helped recruit
official while she was officiating a lotof their games, and she's friends with
the head coach, and it wasjust perfect to get two really strong officials
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coming out of Augsburg's playing program.Well, one of those players today is
an official, and she just workedthe gold medal game at the last World
Championships, which is a phenomenal official. Sarah Buckner's her name, and somebody
keep an eye on out here outwest. She works Division three women's hockey
and anywhere that they put her onthe ice. So she just got her
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first USHL game a couple weeks ago, and you know, hopefully has more
in her future. So that pipelineis something we've been talking about for a
number of years, is how canyou play Division one or Division three hockey
and then within a three to fiveyear timespan get back to that level as
an official. It's possible. Theroad map's there. Kendall Hanley, who's
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the manager of officials for the NorthAmerican Hockey League. She has a program
called Next Shift. So if youhave that high level playing experience and you
sign up for her program. Uh, there's camp, there's summer camps,
there's coaching opportunities. She has severalseveral weekends of he what's it called the
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n a PHL where you go inand you work games in a controlled environment.
It's sixteen and eighteen year old boylevel games. But you have coaches
at the arena and they're seeking outevery single official to give feedback and help
develop and it's really a safer settingthan just sending them off into the abyss
of youth hockey. You know,wait and I this is not less of
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a problem now more of a butused it used to be the sort of
the complaint, for particular the highlevel of Mien hockey was that the pace
of place sort of outpaced the experienceof the officials. And so we've seen
that get close, but it isstill sort of a limited number or not
as many women officials as we wouldlike that are sort of used to that
pace of play and can officiate atthat high level. And so the idea
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of transitioning players is that they're sortof already used to that pace of play.
You don't have to start at thebeginning with learning rules and sort of
it's a it's a sort of anon ramp part way through that official training,
right, Like that's that's why it'sthey're such a great resource for you
as potential officials. Yep and Kendallhad three start this year in her program,
and all three of them, tomy understanding, have been doing very
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well. All three of them werehere in Minnesota for the National Invitation Tournament
the third weekend in October, andthey're all excellent candidates for our USA Hockey
summer camps. And once you getto a US Hockey summer camp, I
mean, we'll we'll give you tutelageand the and the understanding and support you
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to go after Division three or Divisionon hockey, whatever your caliber is,
ready for the next year. That'sinteresting is that that three to five year
timeline. Is that something I guessmaybe is that a little accelerated. Is
that sort of accepting that, likethis person has the space of knowledge and
we can really they we don't haveto I'm sorry, like maybe accelerating the
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learning curve or things like that.Yeah, didn't say that, well,
but already Yep, and you comeout of playing eighteen you know, you
nineteen hockey or high school hockey somethingyou could be on that accelerated track as
well. You absolutely could. It'swhat opportunities are you getting and who are
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you connected with? You know,who's your mentor, who's your officiating coach,
who's the supervisor in your district,and are they helping promote you in
getting you access. So we justgot an email earlier this week from Minnesota's
youth Use It High used dit orten saying, Holy buckets, this girl
played college hockey. She played somepro hockey over in Austria. I was
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impressed with her. I'm going toput around these games. Here's our schedule.
Can one of you make time togo see her and help give her
the ideas of what's in her future? You know, if she keeps us
up, so our numbers and yousay, hockey are up up again,
which is wonderful. So last yearthere are about two thousand female officials.
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This year we've had about twenty threehundred registered female officials. That's great.
Of that, over fifty percent ofthem are under the age of eighteen.
It's it's pretty common across men andwomen to have that statistic that we're pretty
young in our numbers in our age, but that means there's still about I
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don't know, twelve hundred that wecan go after over the age of eighteen
for that education. Where are youat in your career? What is your
goal? What is your dream?And with USA Hockey, like I said
earlier, I have an incredible groupbacking me up and supporting me in these
two rules. And there's thirty fiveto forty women that I've been meeting with
with USA Hockey for over a yearnow, well over a year and a
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half. And our mentoring subcommittee isled by Katie Gay and she's doing an
incredible job. Ready. They sentout a note in September or October,
are you interested in having a mentorbeing a mentor? What are you looking
for? Got great responses that wentout to all of our Level three and
Level four US Hockey officials. Andthen just last night they had a zoom
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call which highlighted development opportunities within USAHockey and they had women from across the
country, So Pacific District, NorthernPlains, Massachusetts, Colorado, Rocky Mountain
District, lish here from Minnesota,all giving their stories to the attendees in
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saying, you know, as amatter how old you are, right,
you know, get in the gameand share your passion, share your goals,
and there's a spot for you inofficiatings here. It's it's going to
always be here for you. Soif you want to play, keep playing,
then here are some incredible resources inyour district to help you get to
college, to help you get tosummer camps, to help you get to
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national tournaments. So that's what Ilove about my role is it combines them
both. I get to see whatboth sides are doing. Yeah, yeah,
well I think too, it takesmaybe someone to explain that, like
if you are you know, ifyou're a younger official, like why or
a younger player, like why addingofficiating to something that you do can both
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help your game and just be areally positive experience, you know, like
you obviously there's tons of sort ofnegative publicity that comes, you know,
about how people treat officials and andsort of all of that, but there's
there's a lot of positivity and particularlyas your mentioned, all this mentoring and
camaraderie among female officials. And thenI think too, it can be hard
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for a high level athlete to reframethe thinking, but like the idea that
you could still go to Olympics andWorld Championships and high level tournaments and travel.
But as an official, I thinkis a really I think it takes
a unique brain to make that flip. But I think sometimes once it needs
to be pointed out to a highlevel player that like, these are other
options, like maybe that path,the player path isn't the only one for
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you. Oh that's incredible, youwill, said Nicole, and that were
that was quite a bit of thehighlights last night on that zoom call.
I would a thousand percent agree thatit takes a special mind to flip,
but I would also say you haveto ask somebody. You can't just assume
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they know that officiating is a pathout. The conversation must be there.
In a goal that we have isby the end of the season, so
closer to February March, we havea flyer available for all the NCAA officials
or excuse me, NCAA players andthe alumni. For NCAA alumni that they
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get this flyer and the coaches theNCAA team can actually help promote not only
becoming an official, but also becominga female coach important. Both are important,
right yeah, yeah. So here'sthe outlet. Here's the QRO code
on the flyer that says Chris Wingout of Maine is the national referee or
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national coach in chief for USA Hockeyand can help get you connected on a
great path to become a coach.Doesn't matter what district you're in because we
have incredible resources across USA Hockey.Same thing with officiating. We won't game
set up and on the same document, but you have to be asked SHO
have that conversation. Here's an outletthe conversation, the recruiting tactic of of
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having that conversation is what makes thedifference. We're back on the podcast.
I'm Todd Mlesky, Nicole Hase iswith me as always, and we are
wanting to send our best wishes toMinnesota state coach John Harrington, who is
away from the team for an indeterminedundetermined amount of time after hip surgery.
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Sherry Dickerman is stepping in as theinterim head coach. She is an assistant
with with the Mavericks. It's it'san awkward time to to have to do
that, but you know, sometimesthe real world and real life tells you
when when you have to have thingsdone. And uh, we just wanted
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to send our best to John Harrington. And and I know the the hockey
world is hoping for a quick recoveryfor him and hope he's back behind the
bench soon. But as we looktowards this coming week, this is an
important week in terms of, youknow, spreading the gospel of women's college
hockey in some ways around the countrybecause it goes into some areas that you
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don't normally get to see high levelwomen's college hockey. There's a couple of
tournaments, a couple of events,a showcase event. One of them is
in the DC area, one ofthem is in Nashville. Uh, in
the Nashville area. And Nicole,maybe can you give us an idea of
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what this means for exposure and andjust you know, getting the game out
in the different areas where then youcan hopefully grow, uh, you know,
the next generation of of of women'scollege hockey players. Yeah, I
think the holiday weeks right, sowe'll see this with Thanksgiving league and usually
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we might see some stuff around NewYear's in the winter break. Given opportunity
for teams, you know, thathave don't have conference game scheduled, don't
normally you know, have games thatthey might play, uh to to look
for other opportunities, and as we'veseen over the years, you know there
might be one off tournaments. Therehave been times that play teams have gone
and played in California, Colorado,other places that that are sort of non
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traditional And so now D One ind C and the Smashville Showcase which is
the one in Nashville are picking upon hockey fandom, not necessarily women's hockey,
but places where hockey is very popularor is growing and bringing top tier
women's hockey to those places so thatthey can you know, show with sort
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of what's possible. And it's what'sgreat about these is you often get several
ranked teams and so you know DOne in DC's got Minnesota, Harvard,
Saint Thomas and Cornell playing. SmashvilleShowcase has h be you and Robert Morris
Minnesota State. So you know,there's just an opportunity for these teams where
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there are not traditionally women's hockey programsor necessarily women's college teams to go and
really show off and show what makenew fans and show what's possible for some
of the youth players that might youknow, in Nashville. Obviously it's not
new anymore, but when the Predatorscame, then suddenly there was junior Predators.
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And I think we had our firstplayer from one of those programs commit
last year, so she's probably she'splaying this year. And so it's just
it's really important that where hockey isa hotbed because of men's pro because of
the NHL, that the girls see, you know, sort of what their
options are and what the opportunities are. And I think, you know,
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not only are these drivers of fansan opportunity for young players, but I
think we will continue to see optionsfor expansion in some of these places.
And so I I hope that,you know, seeing the growth of women,
girls and women's hockey in a placelike Nashville, then we can start
talking about, you know, whatopportunities there are for expansion for for D
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one and D three programs in thatarea. So and aside from that,
then we just get some really coolhockey, oftentimes with teams that maybe don't
necessarily schedule far away from home andtheir non conference schedules, but will travel
for these tournaments and so you know, it's it's really cool to get to
see like teams like Cornell and Minnesotaplay each other, right, and things
like that. So I just they'rethey're really important. They're really cool opportunities
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where we often get to see teamsthat don't play each other normally. And
yeah, I think they're just sucha huge part of growing the game and
making sure future generations know, youknow, what's possible and and want to
keep playing high level girls hockey sothat they can be playing in these tournaments
in the future. For me,it's the you know one there there are
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two things that stand out. Oneof them is that they're in these buildings
that you know, the the maindraw there. I believe they're in the
in d C. I know it'sthe part of the the Capital's Complex is
where the event is taking place.And I think in Nashville it's it's it's
a rink that I don't know ifthe predators are it's their training rink or
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not, but it's one of them. There are two training rinks in Nashville.
It's uh that both have the samename. I tell you this because
when I went, we went tothe wrong rink, So that was several
years ago. But yes, theythey're in the NHL h L branded facilities.
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So but you know, so themain draw in that in those buildings
is usually you know, men's hockey. And to see the main draw for
for these days be women's hockey isI think pretty powerful because you should see
that as uh, you know,as if you're a young girl playing uh
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in you know, in youth hockey, you should see that this can be
a featured event and and that's Ithink to me powerful uh to have that
as an example out there. Butthe other thing is that there's I don't
I don't know the specifics about thesethese events this weekend, but there's usually
some kind of you know, learnfrom the college players kind of event where
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you know, there's an on icecomponent, maybe some off ice stuff happening
too, of just you know,let's let's get some some skills we're going
on out there and just have havesome interaction with with college players. And
I think that's something that we willfind in a few years, uh,
you know, is setting an exampleand meaning something to some young players where
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in a few years there are goingto be college players and we're gonna be
able to talk about that experience havinghelped them, uh, somewhere along the
way, if they were able totake part in that in like you're talking
about in one of these cities,or in Colorado or in California where where
events have happened in the past,and part of the uh, the hopeful
expansion of women's hockey down the road. Yeah, I mean there's pretty much
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not a woman on the inter nationalteam right now that can't tell you of
a moment of meeting a woman,whether it is another national team player or
you know, Leila Edwards talks abouthaving met Blake bold In. Pretty much
every woman that is currently playing incollege can tell you a story about,
you know, the impact of havingseen someone like them play the game before
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them. So it's pretty cool tosee, uh, these women continue to
be a part of that. Definitelyis there. Those Those aren't the only
events going on this Thanksgiving weekend aroundcollege hockey. A couple of really important
non conference matchups. The newly rankednumber one Ohio State Buckeyes are hosting Saint
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Lawrence for I believe it's two gamesthis week. Yeah, two games number
six Saint Lawrence and another one isColgate going on the road to play Minnesota
Duluth and Duluth obviously looking for alittle bit of a rebound after being swept
by Minnesota, but not getting anyeasier of a road with Colgate coming in.
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Let's start with that Ohio State SaintLawrence match up first, And I
wonder on the Ohio State side,you know everyone was pointing towards last week.
This is the championship game rematch,It's the number one team in Wisconsin
coming into the o s u Icerink. I don't imagine there's gonna be
any that kind of you know,okay, we we we we scaled the
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mountain, we did those kinds ofwe did what we needed to do.
Now it's time to rest when SaintLawrence comes into town. Knowing that this
is gonna be a pretty pretty goodchallenge for the Buck guys with with Saint
Lawrence coming in, no, Imean, I just there's no way Nadine
would allow that to happen. Soshe runs a pretty tight ship around there,
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and so I think, no,I I do I think that you
know, there was a big highand a focus on that and no looking
past Wisconsin at that time, forsure, but absolutely the Buckeyes will have
prepared for Saint Lawrence. You know, it's it would be interesting because it's
kind of two different styles you have. You know, Saint Lawrence has has
had this really great season, butalso you know was swept by Clerkson two
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weeks ago, has that lost Vermontearlier in the season, needed over time
to be Mercyhurst at the very beginningof the season. And so while it's
been an outstanding for season for them, there's also been a little bit of
that up and down. And sofor me, it'll be interesting to see,
you know, sort of what theycome into this weekend with and how
they prepare to play in that veryunusual barn to play the number one team
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in the country, to sort ofget that relentless pressure that Ohio State gives.
And so I've I think not onlywill sort of the first few minutes
of that first game be really importantthat they don't get surprised or don't sort
of get overwhelmed in those first fewminutes and let the game get out of
hand before they even have a chanceto be in it, but I also
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think that if they lose that firstgame, they really need to come back
strong for that second one, andso that's where I that's why I mentioned
sort of the up and down ofsome of the other stuff. I would
like to see how they come outfor that second game should they lose the
first one. I think that'll bereally sort of important for not only the
series, but just sort of howthe rest of their season goes. I
think they need to face that adversityand come out a little stronger for the
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next game. And then I think, yeah, I'll go ahead and no.
The Nutmeg Classic at Yale is atournament that I think has a really
interesting first round. Number ten Yukonagainst number seven Quinnipiac Sacred Heart and Yale
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play in the other semi final.It is a a winners it is a
tournament where the winners playoff. It'snot a set schedule, so that's a
The semi finals are intriguing there,and specifically to me, that Quinnipiac Yukon
game. It really seems like thisis one of those kind of prove it
kind of games for Yukon. Offto a nine to three and one start
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and here they go, getting achance against a top ten ranked team to
show what they can do. Yeah, and I think Hockey East in general
has the problem that they don't getsuper battle tested, and so you know,
we've seen you know, them comingteams from their coming out at the
end of the season not necessarily asstrong as maybe they thought they were with
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their their conference schedule. So seeingthis sort of test for Connecticut at this
point in the season, to showlike, really, where where is the
Hockey East at compared to sort ofthe rest of the country will be really
interesting. But yeah, that nutMad Classic isn't always so doesn't you feature
i think three ranked teams, butit's you know, it's for the winner
of Connecticut, right like those allfour of those teams are in Connecticut,
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So it's the not meg Classic.But yeah, I think that one is.
The other tournaments might get a littlemore attention, but this one,
particularly as you mentioned this year,is definitely intriguing and should be fun to
watch. I'm all about the geographicalbased tournament if you are too. But
that's I mean, if you cando that, that's awesome. If you
can come out with a state championquote unquote at the end of something,
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I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's a great use of this week
right of the of the unusual partof the schedule, And yeah, I
think they do move around who hosts, and you know, what a cool
thing to really just have that thatrivalry and that competition and sort of hype
up the fan bases. And yeah, I think, like I said,
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it's not necessarily always as exciting.So I think it's it's pretty cool that
this tournament that happens every year andhas for several years, it's really like
on a national scale this year,so it should be fun. Yeah,
you had some interesting news about anotherkind of tournament or a team that's being
formed to play in another kind oftournament. You want to talk a little
bit about that. Yeah, Sothere is a team Caribbean women's ice hockey
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team that's made up of players fromthat represent that have heritage out of more
than a dozen nations in the Caribbean. And so this team came together and
played in the Latin Cup held inFlorida in August and one. On the
way to winning the championship, theybeat Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Mexico.
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And every player on the team isa current or former collegiate player.
So there's some D one players,some d three players and some youth sports
players. So they're doing a fundraiserto go play a tournament in Madrid.
We will share that link in theshow notes and on our socials. But
yeah, we'll see players that representWorcester State, Arcadia, Ontario Technical University
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in Canada, Chase Rudd and DianaBishop who play at His Sacred Heart,
Sheila Edwards from the University of Wisconsin, Jada Burke from Lindenwood University, and
the several of the players. Thereare four players from the Puerto Rican national
team and sort of the person thatput this team together and drives it all
as Jasmine Miley, who played atLiberty University, played in Europe and is
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on the Puerto Rican national team.So yeah, they're they're raising money to
go play in Madrid, which Ithink is pretty cool and so we will
share that information. And it's calledthe Hispanic Cup taking place in May into
the first week in June in Madrid. So if you want to support them,
they would absolutely appreciate it. Prettycool stuff, you know. All
right, Nicole, let's go outon this today. What's uh, what's
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your Thanksgiving plan uh for this forthis week? Area? Are you or
I guess historically, are you aa pie person? Are you a What's
what's the big part of Thanksgiving foryou? That's unintentionally you called me out
here, and I'm gonna present thecontroversial opinion that I hate pie. I
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say this as someone who has abaking and pastry degree. I almost no
pie has a correct feeling to piecrust ratio. What I really hate is
dry pie crust. So yeah,I'm I'm not a pie person. I
don't really like turkey either. I'min it for the sides. I think
that's a very fair rational argument thatI can't really argue with, especially the
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pie thing, because yeah, I'mwith you on the everything being too dry,
and then that's where I get.You know, turkey, I'm not
a huge fan. I'll eat it, but yeah, I'm I'm, you
know, honestly, like the onething I really really like at at at
Thanksgiving, and it's gonna sound strange, is like carrots with brown sugar that
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like, I don't do that.I could do absolutely do that any other
time of the year, but forwhatever reason. So yeah, So I
also, very Wisconsin of me makea brought worst stuffing, which I started
making I went to college New Orleansand lived down there for several years,
and so I started making it therewhen I stayed for Thanksgiving, and now
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is sort of my signature. It'swhat I have to bring whenever I go.
My husband's family hosts, so Iwill be bringing you very large serving
of brought worst stuffing like the goodWisconsin Midwesterner that I am. And folks,
if you need the rest of me, find the call on social happy
to pass that along. Yeah,but we're very thankful for you all.
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Thank you so much for joining uson this. We know we're just getting
started, and we're so happy thatyou know, everybody sees the need for
this and follows along and supports thewomen playing the sport that we all up.
So thank you all so much.We hope that you have a great holiday.
We have a new number one teamin the country and it is the Ohio
State Buckeyes after a pretty comprehensive sweepof the former number one team, the
Wisconsin Badgers. I'm Todd Maluski.I'm here with the Cole Hosey on the
podcast. Thanks for joining us againthe Cole. I guess what was your
big takeaway from that series between theformer number one and the now current number
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one. It was a pretty completeperformance from Ohio State, like just start
to finish. I was just reallyimpressed with the pressure that Ohio State put
on, the way that they movedthe puck, just really everything. I
you know, we as we hadmentioned last week, we haven't seen a
lot of the top teams play eachother. I wasn't I hadn't seen a
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ton from Ohio State yet against atop opponent. And Wow, they really
showed. They really showed up andshowed off in this series. I was
really impressed with them. How aboutyou. One of the things I wrote
kind of even as the third periodof the second game was going on,
is that they're there aren't many teamsthat make Wisconsin look mediocre. And I
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really thought that over the last twoseasons and maybe even the last three seasons,
we've seen that happen out of OhioState doing that to Wisconsin multiple times.
We look back at the the seriesin Columbus last season, the five
to nothing game the second day,that was just a complete whitewashing of Wisconsin,
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which we don't see happen very often. And Ohio State has found the
secret sauce to do that, Ithink with put pressure, with spending as
much time as possible in the defense, in making Wisconsin spend as much time
as possible in the defensive zone,not giving them easy breakouts. These these
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are things that are that really stoodout to me and just seem to be
a you know, the calling cardof Ohio States. Game really put a
lot of pressure on on Wisconsin andgot the job done, and you know,
they need to overtime the second game. But I really still felt like
even though Wisconsin was better in thesecond game, better than they were in
the first game, Ohio State wasreally the team that was clearly a you
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know, the better team for theweekend. Yeah. Absolutely, I think
it's interesting that these do tend tohappen in Columbus. I'm not sure what
part of sort of their special sauceneed requires sort of some of that and
that why or how you know itworks that the obviously every game Ohio State
in Wisconsin place doesn't end up likethis, but yeah, they put pressure
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on the Badgers, and you know, the Badgers have some injuries. I
think there are you know, acouple. I feel like the youth of
the Badgers really showed in like sortof not being able to adapt when their
game was taken away from them.But like those aren't excuses Ohio State dominated.
I just thought like maybe without someof those players on the ice and
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players in playing in different roles oron different lines and things like that,
like, Wisconsin was just exposed prettybadly. And yeah, kudos to the
Buckeyes because they came out and reallyshowed up and showed out. So it
was for a Badger perspective, aBadger fan perspective, was not fun for
any of them to watch that game. But in terms of if you're looking
for really unique and interesting hockey,like you said, you're not going to
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see too many teams do that toa Mark Johnson team. And so for
for six street periods, well seven, wow, did the buck Eyes just
sort of seem to do everything right. Yeah, exactly. And so it's
the Buckeyes that are number one thisweek in the USACHO dot Com Division one
women's poll, and the Badger slippedthe number three, with Colgate moving up
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to number two. And that wasa you know, this is something that
you know, Wisconsin had come intothat series twelve and twelve and zero,
and we'd talk in the past thatyou know, maybe not necessarily as challenged
as as some of the other schoolsat the the upper reaches of the pole.
And I think maybe we saw thatin the fact that Colgate jumps ahead
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of Wisconsin to number two in thisweek's rankings. What was your your feeling
on that? And Colgate thirteen andone. Obviously they're they're you know,
they're just kind of you know,rolling along here early in this season.
But seeing seeing them at number two, what's uh, what's your your feeling
there? Well? I think,uh, you know, Wisconsin uh probably
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would not have been number one hadthey not started the season number one,
right, like the returning national championgets that nod and they just hadn't lost
to make anybody move them out ofthat position. So to me, it's
not surprising then with those two lossesand like, as we said, dominating
victories for Buckeyes that the Badgers droppeddown bul hole Colgate. Colgates only losses
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to Ohio State, and they alsothey have given Ohio State they're only loss.
So you know, if you seea team come out and show their
dominance, first of all, theyget to go to number one, and
in the team that has beaten themand has their only loss to them,
I think it absolutely made sense tomove Cogate up to number two. And
Colgate has played pretty much everybody rankedin the ECAC so far and come out,
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you know, without a loss inthe conference. So it's it's difficult
to argue with any of those voters. In fact, I like I voted
the same way I when I wentto write it down, and I didn't
consciously think about it, and thenI looked at you know, I always
look at what I voted last week, and I was like, well,
yeah, Kogate gets to be numbertwo now, Like there's just there was
no question in my mind looking atthat. And you know, they played
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their sort of perpetual biggest opponent orbiggest rival in the ECAC in Quinnipeac and
came out with the win this weekend. So yeah, I Colgate it's got
a really interesting roster. They've got, you know, Daniel Serdaknew, the
leading scorer in the country from lastyear, but they also have some really
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smart, savvy, interesting play youngplayers. I'm a big fan of Elisa
Beiederman, and I just think thatthey, you know, they're out there
kind of competing at a level higherthan everybody else in their conference, and
there they've been doing it, youknow, for a couple of seasons.
At this point, it feels likeat this point it's almost like quietly just
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kind of going out and doing theirbusiness and maybe not be the most flashy
team. I think what's really interestingfor them is that sud Acney this year
has kind of taken on a bitmore of a role of dishing the puck
in. The goalscorer thus far hasbeen Kalti calchun Kova, who is a
player that I think is still tryingto figure out the balance of being a
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big, physical forward and not sortof over using her size, and so
I think she's she's really starting toeven out and get comfortable in her game,
and she's really dynamic to watch,especially with Sir d Acney feeding her
the puck. Yeah, that wasa four to one win for Colgate over
Quinnipiac on Saturday. It was reallya big first period that got that done
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for Colgate. Biederman Carlton Cova scoredone in five on five, one on
a five on three power play uhto one break a tie, and then
to go up by two and emptyingthat or late was less scoring. So
that was a you know, Ithink we've we've seen, you know in
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the E C a C where you'regonna pretty much every we can you're almost
gonna be facing you're almost guaranteed tobe facing a A ranked team the way
that it's gone, uh at leastone every weekend because of the way that
the schedule works. That may bean exaggeration a little bit, but it
seems that way. Sometimes the thebest of the ACAC teams really just kind
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of need to keep the uh,the ball rolling here and and you know,
kudos the Colgate for doing that.Like you've said, it's you know,
there's a you know, a prettytalented cast there that that seems to
be getting the job done. Andyou know, it's you know, it
seems like they're they're kind of movingto the top of that pack, but
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you know it's Clarkson's in there.Cornell is still you know, they had
a rough week last week, butyou know you can't really rule them out.
Saint Lawrence's is lingering in there.These there's a bunch of teams that
feels like in the ec AC arereally just kind of, you know,
clawing their way to the top here. Do you see any separation happening there?
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I don't know if that if that'sreally anything that you can look at
yet. Uh, we're you know, more than the third of the way
into the season for some teams.But do you feel like there's that that
kind of of split happening between theThese are the teams that are going to
compete, and these are the teamsthat are just trying to hang on.
Well, I mean, I thinkmentioning all those other squads, like you
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said, Cornell losing, you know, they're two games of the season.
Saint Lawrence had been cruising and youknow, then had the loss to Princeton.
Was it Princeton and then But tome, what all those other teams,
all those other teams beating up oneach other sort of then shows even
more how how good Colgate is doing. Right, So the fact that Colgate
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is not kind of falling prey toany of these other of Cornell, Quinnipiac,
Clarkston, Saint Lawrence, Yale,Princeton, that Colgates come out through
that and still been the winner likedefinitely puts them, you know, sort
of ahead of everyone for me.But you know, Clarkson is technically currently
is undefeated, right, like theyhave two ties, but they they needed
a miracle to beat Brown this weekend. And so I think what's great about
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the ECC right now is of coursethere's all those ranked teams, but I
don't think there's an easy weekend forany of them, particularly because of the
way that they do the travel pairs. But you know, Saint Lawrence was
picked to finish six in this contentreference and like is now seventh in the
country, So I don't I don'tthink that you can really count anybody out.
And like Brown just continues to makethese great strides. Like obviously having
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a player like Chada Ginlam makes youknow, having her the dynamics that she
brings to the ice is huge.But like the entire team has come along.
You know, they had a threeto one win in the final or
a three month lead in the finalminute of that game, Clerks, And
there was also a ton of penaltiesand overlapping, and I will not try
to unravel all of that in termsof what it was five on three,
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five on whatever, but there wasdefinitely a point where Clarkson had two extra
skaters on the ice and so theyscored two extra like they they were up
two players, and then they wereup one player and they scored extra attacker
goals, two of them in thefinal like minute to force overtime, and
then could not you know, shutthe game down in that extra period.
So I think what's great about watchingthese games is that you just kind of
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never know. And we've seen youknow, new coaches in the past two
years of Brown at Dartmouth and reallysee the sort of second half of I
would say heightsing bottom half of theconference. But like that, those teams
that are not, you know,at the top of nationally ranked are still
teams that are You can't take anyweekend off and I think that's not entirely
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new this season for the ECC.It's sort of happened over the last couple
of years, but it does makefor a lot more fun that. Like
you said, you mostly don't seea weekend where you're not going to play
a ranked opponent. But those aren'tthe only games that they're they're gonna have
to worry about. Yeah. Ijotted down the records of the seven teams
from the ECAC who are in thetop fifteen really top thirteen in the US
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EHO rankings. Colgate thirteen oh one, Clarkson fourteen oho and two, Cornell
ten two and one, Saint Lawrencetwelve and three, Quinnipiac twelve and three,
Princeton seven to four and one,Yale five and five. And that's
a you know, a Yale teamthat just lost to last week to Saint
Lorance and Clarkson kind of running throughthe part of the schedule there to have
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that happen. But I mean,we know that can't continue that way where
all those teams are going to haverecords that good. But I just think
that they've really set themselves up whenyou're looking towards February and talking pairwise,
to be in the situation to havea bunch of AC teams in contention to
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make the add large segment of thetournament. Yeah, absolutely right, Like
Yale is five and five and theydid drop, you know to thirteenth,
you know, drop in sort ofair quotes there. Yeah, but at
five and five, you like,it's hard to discount a team or like
sort of drop them in the pollsbecause they're losing the teams ranked above them.
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And so yeah, we get especiallywhen you are at the bottom half
of the poll, right like onethrough seven and eight nine maybe usually gets
pretty clear. And then that secondhalf as you're talking about teams that have
losses, and you would get intocomparing who those losses are too, and
even how they looked in some ofthose games. And so yeah, I
think it's a ECAC definitely has anargument this year for being the best conference
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in the country. Right, Likethey're just week after week, these teams
are going out and doing it andthey're going to continue to set like the
fans are discovering what it means whenthe teams beat up on each other and
what that can do to rankings andto records, and so yeah, it'll
definitely be interesting to see how thatcontinues to shake out as the season moves
forward. Yeah. Over in thew CHA. Last week we were talking
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obviously about the Wisconsin Ohio State seriesat Ohio State won two games, but
the other teams in the two teamsin the top what's projected to be the
top half of the WHA or whatkind of historically has been also played last
week, but Minnesota got two winsat Minnesota Duluth to improve the nine to
two on the season. I feellike maybe we're we're seeing that there is
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that split there. I think we'reI was asking about a split in the
in the E C A C.We are definitely seeing it there between UH
three and four in the w Ch A. And maybe that's not a
surprise considering, you know, it'sbeen a for the last couple of seasons.
It's been a Wisconsin Ohiose State,Minnesota three, and then Minnesota Luke
being the four. And then you'relooking now at Saint Cloud, you know,
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charging its way up and kind ofthreatening to to push its way into
the top four, and Duluth hasto has to hold them off a little
if they want to keep that spotuh in in in the upper half of
the standings. Uh you know,with what Saint Cloud has done in the
last two seasons, uh to improveitself. So I just thought that was
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an important couple of wins for Minnesotato uh to establish themselves in that uh
you know, get those points hon the road, especially against one of
those teams that's expected to be kindof in that contention for for top half.
And that was a pretty impressive winfor for a couple of wins from
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Minnesota, which was helped if andyou can correct me if I'm wrong here,
I'm going off what you wrote inthis week's Monday piece. Helped by
a former Daluth player. Correct,Yeah, you want to mention anything about
that there? Yeah, well Iwas gonna see that that series Minnesota Duluth
Minnesota is always a close series.I do think it was closer games than
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maybe the scores ended up. AndI do think that that Minnesota really,
you know, they needed some outstandingperformances to take those wins. As that
team continues to find out and figureout like kind of who they are and
who can score goals aside from HabbieMurphy though at this point I'm not sure.
Maybe Abby Murphy is just going todo it all. Yeah, he's
doing it pretty well. Yeah,everybody knows she's the one that's gonna to
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do it, and she's still doingit, so you know, kudos to
her and to the Gophers. Butyeah, the you know, it was
it was a the Gophers were shootingmore, they were out shooting Minnesota Duluth,
but was a close game. Andyeah, the game winner for the
Gophers was scored by Taylor Stewart,who played four years at Minnesota Duluth.
So this was her first return toDuluth playing you know, sort of for
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the rivals, and uh, itwas a really you know, she's a
defender. It was a really niceplay where she is a player that doesn't
necessarily often step up from the blueline, but saw the puck, saw
the opportunity. You kind of seeher come from out of the frame in
the highlight video and just step inand bury that goal to score the game
winner. You know, the Gophersended up scoring an empty nutter as well.
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But yeah, it was definitely thepoetic It was zim poetic justice for
her or you know, sort ofan exclamation point for her. It was
pretty cool to see. Obviously thefans did not think so, but yeah,
it's interesting. I keep thinking thatMinnesota, you know, not figuring
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out that scoring depth or not,you know, sort of getting a one
B or a number two sort offorward stepping stepping up is going to be
an issue, but thus far ithas not. And so you know,
between the way that Minnesota played thisweek and the way Wisconsin played, I
would have said there was sort ofa you know, a half step between
one and two being Ohio State andthen down to Minnesota and Minnesota Duluth.
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But looking at the two performances thisweekend, I think that two and three
are much more contentious and up forgrabs at this point. So interesting when
those two teams play each other,for sure, Minnesota and Wisconsin. There
are a couple of big wins forl i U two and the New HA
last weekend against stone Hill. What'sand lu is kind of pushing to the
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top of that pack. What can'ttell us about that? Yeah, so
they are they made a program record, they're tenth straight win, they are
ten and zero in conference, andthey were playing stone Hill and the stone
Hill l A. You are twoof the three teams along with Saint Anselm,
on the top of a new hoststanding. So LAU getting those two
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wins really put themselves, uh,sort of in the driver's seat. They
have a couple fewer they have fourfewer games played than Saint Ansom in the
conference and two then Stone Hills,so they have the point lead in several
games in hand. And so theycame out theyuh really gutted out a one
oh win on Friday and then turnedaround and got a very convincing for one
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win on Saturday. So nice tosee them, you know, as a
new program, newer program, theyhave come out, you know and really
just shown themselves well to get thefirst and see a bid from New High
last season and there they've continued it, you know, continued it this season.
Tinjoholme had a forty four safe shutoutin that one oh win, so
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having that solid goalie is huge forthem, and then they just sort of
continue to roll. So kudos tothem. I just wanted to mention that
they've kind of put themselves in thedriver's seat the top that conference, which
is pretty cool. We'll stick aroundwith us. We will have more on
the podcast when we come back.Hi, welcome back. This is Nicole
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Hasey and this is the podcast rightnow. I'm talking to Chrissy Langley,
the NCAA coordinator of women's ice hockeyofficiating National coordinator. Christy is also USA
Hockey's national referee and chief of FemaleDevelopment. I noticed that there has been
an increase in major penalties this yearat NCAA hockey, and when I reached
out to NCAA, Christy said,yes, I've noticed that too, let's
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talk about it. So welcome Christy, Thanks for coming. Thank you,
Nicole. I'm excited to be hereand connect with you on this. Definitely
appreciate your perspective and an acknowledgment ofthe increase in major penalties. We were
just talking about it last week withthe coordinators of officials for each conference at
the division level, and we broughtit up at their coaches meeting also on
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Wednesday. Yeah, it was definitelysomething where I was like, I have
a feeling that there is more ofthis, but it's not actually something really
easy for sort of us on theoutside looking in to go look up.
So could you maybe share with us, you know, some of the stats
that you found, the details andwhat you think might have led to some
of this. Yeah, so Iasked for last year's breakdown of the whole
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season and compared it to this year'sup to date, and so there were
twenty seven major penalties up until themiddle of November last year twenty seven and
this year there have been sixty one. Oh my goodness, yeah, more
than double. And I'd say it'snot an officiating problem at all. I'm
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very proud of our officials for youknow, talking through these situations and calling
them as they see them. It'sdefinitely been a change in the physical contact
that we've had in the women's gameat the NCAA level, and that players
are seeing this level of physicality forthe first time when he get to college.
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So there's a pretty good conversation goingon amongst coaches and amongst the coordinators
of officials. You know, howis this happening, What is happening?
Is there something we need to doin the future, and how do we
how do we prepare the players alittle bit better protect them even more.
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You know, there's a lot ofconversation about you know, boys play checking
hockey quite a few years before theyget to college. Girls don't, right,
So that that's been eye opening inthe last two weeks and for me
in this new role, I meanUSA Hockey. Yeah, we have major
penalties, We have stuff that happenedthroughout the year, but not at this
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magnitude. Yeah, no, thatmore than double. Do you think just
kind of hypothesizing maybe that this wewill see maybe a little bit of flat
now. This comes with it beingthe beginning of a year and players just
sort of getting comfortable, particularly someof the younger players, and so not
necessarily knowing trying to ride that lineand not necessarily knowing where it is.
I hope it flattens out because thestats have been brought to coaches attention,
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and you know, if a playerreceives a third major penalty, they're out
a whole other game, right,So far as student athletes and player safety,
I hope it flattens out because theawareness is out there now, and
as you said, it's just there'sa different level of physicality in the women's
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college game, Like, yes,there's no checking, but obviously there's tons
of physicality and body to body contact. And I think it the major penalties
come because we're for player safety,right, Like we're talking about boarding,
particularly, which I think is whata lot of this ends up happenings hits
along the boards and unsafe hits forplayers. But I actually have that broken
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down as well. Cool, Sohitting from behind is actually up three times
it was last year. So it'sit's how a player is standing and getting
hit from directly from behind, whetherit's into the boards or in the open
ice. You know, like what'shappening there that that number has tripled.
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Contact of the head has also tripled, and you're right boarding has gone up
from two last year at this pointto twelve. Oh my goodness. Yeah,
So those are the big ones I'mkeeping my eye on, and I
know the coordinators of officials for eachconference are looking at as well. We've
been sharing clips pretty regularly, makingsure that we have a consistent standard across
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our conferences. And then you saidthose coordinators are then going to their conferences
and their coaches and sort of sharingthis information as well. Yeah, I've
seen some incredible memos and videos andconversations going out. I mean, the
Hockey East has a new coordinator thisyear, Derek Zuckerman. He's done incredible
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jobs regularly communicating with his officials.Gino Benda Junior has the ch A and
you know he's doing his role thisyear and he sends out regular videos to
his group, and it's been highlightingnot only these but some rule clarifications or
things that we need to get right. I've really appreciated seeing their notes.
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Yeah, I would say sort ofeye test and and you know, fan
conversation would be that that they don'talways feel that the officiating is consistent between
conferences, that things, particularly whenyou see intraconference match interconference matchups are when
just just it doesn't always feel likeit's being called consistently across the country.
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So it sounds like that's something thatyou are sort of focusing on and making
sure that that starts to figure outin the future. You know, I've
heard that statement quite a bit.And the first thirty days in my role,
I met with all the different conferencecoordinators and you know, what's been
going on, what's worked, whathasn't worked, Who are the officials in
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your conference, and what are theinitiatives by the conference and how can I
support Because my role is national base, it needs to be more macro level
as they're diving in deep with theirofficials throughout the season. And the sentiment
of last year's people felt the standardgot better, people felt the consistency across
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the country was way better. AndI'd say from the officials I've seen the
games I've been able to observe bothonline as well as in person, I'm
not seeing dramatic differences. That's good. It's interesting, right, You never
know what everybody has biases, andif you're a fan of a particular team
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or conference, you're sort of onlywatching those games and maybe one or two
outside. So I definitely know thatit is the perception, even if it
isn't necessarily the reality. Right,Right, And so with my used to
hockey role, that one's very intentionallyfocused on female development female officials, and
one thing I absolutely have to learnin this role is who are the key
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male officials across every conference. That'sone big area for me. I need
to know who those big male officialnames are and make sure that they're in
the running for postseason for NCAA,because that's that's the big part of my
role is assigning the nca officials.So our conference coordinators are, you know,
drawing up their list. Here's ourlong list, here's the officials that
we need to start watching. ComeJanuary, we'll get that short list together
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and check to see how the officialsare doing, what headspace are they and
what type of penalties are they calling, how's their positioning? Are they injured?
You know what's going on. Andof the female officials across the country,
I know them right, you know, I've been working with them for
the last three seasons, if notlonger, So I have a pretty good
understanding of those officials. And Ifeel like their standards are pretty dang consistent
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and they get a ton of coaching, more so than some of these male
officials. Gotcha. And I wouldassume that many of those women came from
college, but like grew up playingthe game, played the game collegiately.
That that there's a ten tends tobe a pipeline that way as well.
Oh, that pipeline is beautiful.Yes, Definitely, officials that have worked
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played, they're working higher level hockey, whether it's American Hockey League or juniors.
You know, we've gotten into theAdvanced Officiating Development program this last year
with a pretty solid group of femaleofficials getting the you make the call of
videos from the junior program as wellas information from their conference coordinators. So
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there's this beautiful wealth of knowledge comingto that group. Experiences they can learn
through others and then stay consistent throughouttheir seasons. I wanted to ask you,
I mean kind of a crossover,but with your role, particularly with
USA Hockey, and we just knowthere's well there's always a need for more
officials, but particularly to the women'sgame. We would love to have more
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female officials. And sometimes when Ihave talked to officiating coordinators at conferences and
things like that, there hasn't alwaysbeen a clear idea of like how that
can happen or what that pipeline canreally look like. Like yes, they'll
mention two players like, oh,have you considered officiating? But I was
just curious kind of combining your twoknowledge bases in these two roles, if
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that's a focus for you in termsof like talking to players both at D
one and D three and creating moreof a pipeline of those former players,
oh and getting them into officiating,Nicole, that was an interview question and
something I'm super passionate about. Sonot only the USA Hockey position, So
even before I was in it,I was the referee supervisor for an adult
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women's league in Minnesota for seven years. In that league, Wham played out
of Augsburg Ice Arena and we gotto see a ton of Augsburg women's ice
hockey games. Well, a girlfriendof mine, Lee Rizilo, helped recruit
official while she was officiating a lotof their games, and she's friends with
the head coach, and it wasjust perfect to get two really strong officials
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coming out of Augsburg's playing program.Well, one of those players today is
an official, and she just workedthe gold medal game at the last World
Championships, which is a phenomenal official. Sarah Buckner's her name, and somebody
keep an eye on out here outwest. She works Division three women's hockey
and anywhere that they put her onthe ice. So she just got her
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first USHL game a couple weeks ago, and you know, hopefully has more
in her future. So that pipelineis something we've been talking about for a
number of years, is how canyou play Division one or Division three hockey
and then within a three to fiveyear timespan get back to that level as
an official. It's possible. Theroad map's there. Kendall Hanley, who's
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the manager of officials for the NorthAmerican Hockey League. She has a program
called Next Shift. So if youhave that high level playing experience and you
sign up for her program. Uh, there's camp, there's summer camps,
there's coaching opportunities. She has severalseveral weekends of he what's it called the
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n a PHL where you go inand you work games in a controlled environment.
It's sixteen and eighteen year old boylevel games. But you have coaches
at the arena and they're seeking outevery single official to give feedback and help
develop and it's really a safer settingthan just sending them off into the abyss
of youth hockey. You know,wait and I this is not less of
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a problem now more of a butused it used to be the sort of
the complaint, for particular the highlevel of Mien hockey was that the pace
of place sort of outpaced the experienceof the officials. And so we've seen
that get close, but it isstill sort of a limited number or not
as many women officials as we wouldlike that are sort of used to that
pace of play and can officiate atthat high level. And so the idea
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of transitioning players is that they're sortof already used to that pace of play.
You don't have to start at thebeginning with learning rules and sort of
it's a it's a sort of anon ramp part way through that official training,
right, Like that's that's why it'sthey're such a great resource for you
as potential officials. Yep and Kendallhad three start this year in her program,
and all three of them, tomy understanding, have been doing very
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well. All three of them werehere in Minnesota for the National Invitation Tournament
the third weekend in October, andthey're all excellent candidates for our USA Hockey
summer camps. And once you getto a US Hockey summer camp, I
mean, we'll we'll give you tutelageand the and the understanding and support you
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to go after Division three or Divisionon hockey, whatever your caliber is,
ready for the next year. That'sinteresting is that that three to five year
timeline. Is that something I guessmaybe is that a little accelerated. Is
that sort of accepting that, likethis person has the space of knowledge and
we can really they we don't haveto I'm sorry, like maybe accelerating the
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learning curve or things like that.Yeah, didn't say that, well,
but already Yep, and you comeout of playing eighteen you know, you
nineteen hockey or high school hockey somethingyou could be on that accelerated track as
well. You absolutely could. It'swhat opportunities are you getting and who are
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you connected with? You know,who's your mentor, who's your officiating coach,
who's the supervisor in your district,and are they helping promote you in
getting you access. So we justgot an email earlier this week from Minnesota's
youth Use It High used dit orten saying, Holy buckets, this girl
played college hockey. She played somepro hockey over in Austria. I was
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impressed with her. I'm going toput around these games. Here's our schedule.
Can one of you make time togo see her and help give her
the ideas of what's in her future? You know, if she keeps us
up, so our numbers and yousay, hockey are up up again,
which is wonderful. So last yearthere are about two thousand female officials.
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This year we've had about twenty threehundred registered female officials. That's great.
Of that, over fifty percent ofthem are under the age of eighteen.
It's it's pretty common across men andwomen to have that statistic that we're pretty
young in our numbers in our age, but that means there's still about I
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don't know, twelve hundred that wecan go after over the age of eighteen
for that education. Where are youat in your career? What is your
goal? What is your dream?And with USA Hockey, like I said
earlier, I have an incredible groupbacking me up and supporting me in these
two rules. And there's thirty fiveto forty women that I've been meeting with
with USA Hockey for over a yearnow, well over a year and a
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half. And our mentoring subcommittee isled by Katie Gay and she's doing an
incredible job. Ready. They sentout a note in September or October,
are you interested in having a mentorbeing a mentor? What are you looking
for? Got great responses that wentout to all of our Level three and
Level four US Hockey officials. Andthen just last night they had a zoom
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call which highlighted development opportunities within USAHockey and they had women from across the
country, So Pacific District, NorthernPlains, Massachusetts, Colorado, Rocky Mountain
District, lish here from Minnesota,all giving their stories to the attendees in
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saying, you know, as amatter how old you are, right,
you know, get in the gameand share your passion, share your goals,
and there's a spot for you inofficiatings here. It's it's going to
always be here for you. Soif you want to play, keep playing,
then here are some incredible resources inyour district to help you get to
college, to help you get tosummer camps, to help you get to
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national tournaments. So that's what Ilove about my role is it combines them
both. I get to see whatboth sides are doing. Yeah, yeah,
well I think too, it takesmaybe someone to explain that, like
if you are you know, ifyou're a younger official, like why or
a younger player, like why addingofficiating to something that you do can both
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help your game and just be areally positive experience, you know, like
you obviously there's tons of sort ofnegative publicity that comes, you know,
about how people treat officials and andsort of all of that, but there's
there's a lot of positivity and particularlyas your mentioned, all this mentoring and
camaraderie among female officials. And thenI think too, it can be hard
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for a high level athlete to reframethe thinking, but like the idea that
you could still go to Olympics andWorld Championships and high level tournaments and travel.
But as an official, I thinkis a really I think it takes
a unique brain to make that flip. But I think sometimes once it needs
to be pointed out to a highlevel player that like, these are other
options, like maybe that path,the player path isn't the only one for
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you. Oh that's incredible, youwill, said Nicole, and that were
that was quite a bit of thehighlights last night on that zoom call.
I would a thousand percent agree thatit takes a special mind to flip,
but I would also say you haveto ask somebody. You can't just assume
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they know that officiating is a pathout. The conversation must be there.
In a goal that we have isby the end of the season, so
closer to February March, we havea flyer available for all the NCAA officials
or excuse me, NCAA players andthe alumni. For NCAA alumni that they
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get this flyer and the coaches theNCAA team can actually help promote not only
becoming an official, but also becominga female coach important. Both are important,
right yeah, yeah. So here'sthe outlet. Here's the QRO code
on the flyer that says Chris Wingout of Maine is the national referee or
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national coach in chief for USA Hockeyand can help get you connected on a
great path to become a coach.Doesn't matter what district you're in because we
have incredible resources across USA Hockey.Same thing with officiating. We won't game
set up and on the same document, but you have to be asked SHO
have that conversation. Here's an outletthe conversation, the recruiting tactic of of
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having that conversation is what makes thedifference. We're back on the podcast.
I'm Todd Mlesky, Nicole Hase iswith me as always, and we are
wanting to send our best wishes toMinnesota state coach John Harrington, who is
away from the team for an indeterminedundetermined amount of time after hip surgery.
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Sherry Dickerman is stepping in as theinterim head coach. She is an assistant
with with the Mavericks. It's it'san awkward time to to have to do
that, but you know, sometimesthe real world and real life tells you
when when you have to have thingsdone. And uh, we just wanted
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to send our best to John Harrington. And and I know the the hockey
world is hoping for a quick recoveryfor him and hope he's back behind the
bench soon. But as we looktowards this coming week, this is an
important week in terms of, youknow, spreading the gospel of women's college
hockey in some ways around the countrybecause it goes into some areas that you
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don't normally get to see high levelwomen's college hockey. There's a couple of
tournaments, a couple of events,a showcase event. One of them is
in the DC area, one ofthem is in Nashville. Uh, in
the Nashville area. And Nicole,maybe can you give us an idea of
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what this means for exposure and andjust you know, getting the game out
in the different areas where then youcan hopefully grow, uh, you know,
the next generation of of of women'scollege hockey players. Yeah, I
think the holiday weeks right, sowe'll see this with Thanksgiving league and usually
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we might see some stuff around NewYear's in the winter break. Given opportunity
for teams, you know, thathave don't have conference game scheduled, don't
normally you know, have games thatthey might play, uh to to look
for other opportunities, and as we'veseen over the years, you know there
might be one off tournaments. Therehave been times that play teams have gone
and played in California, Colorado,other places that that are sort of non
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traditional And so now D One ind C and the Smashville Showcase which is
the one in Nashville are picking upon hockey fandom, not necessarily women's hockey,
but places where hockey is very popularor is growing and bringing top tier
women's hockey to those places so thatthey can you know, show with sort
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of what's possible. And it's what'sgreat about these is you often get several
ranked teams and so you know DOne in DC's got Minnesota, Harvard,
Saint Thomas and Cornell playing. SmashvilleShowcase has h be you and Robert Morris
Minnesota State. So you know,there's just an opportunity for these teams where
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there are not traditionally women's hockey programsor necessarily women's college teams to go and
really show off and show what makenew fans and show what's possible for some
of the youth players that might youknow, in Nashville. Obviously it's not
new anymore, but when the Predatorscame, then suddenly there was junior Predators.
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And I think we had our firstplayer from one of those programs commit
last year, so she's probably she'splaying this year. And so it's just
it's really important that where hockey isa hotbed because of men's pro because of
the NHL, that the girls see, you know, sort of what their
options are and what the opportunities are. And I think, you know,
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not only are these drivers of fansan opportunity for young players, but I
think we will continue to see optionsfor expansion in some of these places.
And so I I hope that,you know, seeing the growth of women,
girls and women's hockey in a placelike Nashville, then we can start
talking about, you know, whatopportunities there are for expansion for for D
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one and D three programs in thatarea. So and aside from that,
then we just get some really coolhockey, oftentimes with teams that maybe don't
necessarily schedule far away from home andtheir non conference schedules, but will travel
for these tournaments and so you know, it's it's really cool to get to
see like teams like Cornell and Minnesotaplay each other, right, and things
like that. So I just they'rethey're really important. They're really cool opportunities
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where we often get to see teamsthat don't play each other normally. And
yeah, I think they're just sucha huge part of growing the game and
making sure future generations know, youknow, what's possible and and want to
keep playing high level girls hockey sothat they can be playing in these tournaments
in the future. For me,it's the you know one there there are
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two things that stand out. Oneof them is that they're in these buildings
that you know, the the maindraw there. I believe they're in the
in d C. I know it'sthe part of the the Capital's Complex is
where the event is taking place.And I think in Nashville it's it's it's
a rink that I don't know ifthe predators are it's their training rink or
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not, but it's one of them. There are two training rinks in Nashville.
It's uh that both have the samename. I tell you this because
when I went, we went tothe wrong rink, So that was several
years ago. But yes, theythey're in the NHL h L branded facilities.
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So but you know, so themain draw in that in those buildings
is usually you know, men's hockey. And to see the main draw for
for these days be women's hockey isI think pretty powerful because you should see
that as uh, you know,as if you're a young girl playing uh
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in you know, in youth hockey, you should see that this can be
a featured event and and that's Ithink to me powerful uh to have that
as an example out there. Butthe other thing is that there's I don't
I don't know the specifics about thesethese events this weekend, but there's usually
some kind of you know, learnfrom the college players kind of event where
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you know, there's an on icecomponent, maybe some off ice stuff happening
too, of just you know,let's let's get some some skills we're going
on out there and just have havesome interaction with with college players. And
I think that's something that we willfind in a few years, uh,
you know, is setting an exampleand meaning something to some young players where
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in a few years there are goingto be college players and we're gonna be
able to talk about that experience havinghelped them, uh, somewhere along the
way, if they were able totake part in that in like you're talking
about in one of these cities,or in Colorado or in California where where
events have happened in the past,and part of the uh, the hopeful
expansion of women's hockey down the road. Yeah, I mean there's pretty much
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not a woman on the inter nationalteam right now that can't tell you of
a moment of meeting a woman,whether it is another national team player or
you know, Leila Edwards talks abouthaving met Blake bold In. Pretty much
every woman that is currently playing incollege can tell you a story about,
you know, the impact of havingseen someone like them play the game before
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them. So it's pretty cool tosee, uh, these women continue to
be a part of that. Definitelyis there. Those Those aren't the only
events going on this Thanksgiving weekend aroundcollege hockey. A couple of really important
non conference matchups. The newly rankednumber one Ohio State Buckeyes are hosting Saint
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Lawrence for I believe it's two gamesthis week. Yeah, two games number
six Saint Lawrence and another one isColgate going on the road to play Minnesota
Duluth and Duluth obviously looking for alittle bit of a rebound after being swept
by Minnesota, but not getting anyeasier of a road with Colgate coming in.
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Let's start with that Ohio State SaintLawrence match up first, And I
wonder on the Ohio State side,you know everyone was pointing towards last week.
This is the championship game rematch,It's the number one team in Wisconsin
coming into the o s u Icerink. I don't imagine there's gonna be
any that kind of you know,okay, we we we we scaled the
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mountain, we did those kinds ofwe did what we needed to do.
Now it's time to rest when SaintLawrence comes into town. Knowing that this
is gonna be a pretty pretty goodchallenge for the Buck guys with with Saint
Lawrence coming in, no, Imean, I just there's no way Nadine
would allow that to happen. Soshe runs a pretty tight ship around there,
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and so I think, no,I I do I think that you
know, there was a big highand a focus on that and no looking
past Wisconsin at that time, forsure, but absolutely the Buckeyes will have
prepared for Saint Lawrence. You know, it's it would be interesting because it's
kind of two different styles you have. You know, Saint Lawrence has has
had this really great season, butalso you know was swept by Clerkson two
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weeks ago, has that lost Vermontearlier in the season, needed over time
to be Mercyhurst at the very beginningof the season. And so while it's
been an outstanding for season for them, there's also been a little bit of
that up and down. And sofor me, it'll be interesting to see,
you know, sort of what theycome into this weekend with and how
they prepare to play in that veryunusual barn to play the number one team
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in the country, to sort ofget that relentless pressure that Ohio State gives.
And so I've I think not onlywill sort of the first few minutes
of that first game be really importantthat they don't get surprised or don't sort
of get overwhelmed in those first fewminutes and let the game get out of
hand before they even have a chanceto be in it, but I also
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think that if they lose that firstgame, they really need to come back
strong for that second one, andso that's where I that's why I mentioned
sort of the up and down ofsome of the other stuff. I would
like to see how they come outfor that second game should they lose the
first one. I think that'll bereally sort of important for not only the
series, but just sort of howthe rest of their season goes. I
think they need to face that adversityand come out a little stronger for the
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next game. And then I think, yeah, I'll go ahead and no.
The Nutmeg Classic at Yale is atournament that I think has a really
interesting first round. Number ten Yukonagainst number seven Quinnipiac Sacred Heart and Yale
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play in the other semi final.It is a a winners it is a
tournament where the winners playoff. It'snot a set schedule, so that's a
The semi finals are intriguing there,and specifically to me, that Quinnipiac Yukon
game. It really seems like thisis one of those kind of prove it
kind of games for Yukon. Offto a nine to three and one start
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and here they go, getting achance against a top ten ranked team to
show what they can do. Yeah, and I think Hockey East in general
has the problem that they don't getsuper battle tested, and so you know,
we've seen you know, them comingteams from their coming out at the
end of the season not necessarily asstrong as maybe they thought they were with
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their their conference schedule. So seeingthis sort of test for Connecticut at this
point in the season, to showlike, really, where where is the
Hockey East at compared to sort ofthe rest of the country will be really
interesting. But yeah, that nutMad Classic isn't always so doesn't you feature
i think three ranked teams, butit's you know, it's for the winner
of Connecticut, right like those allfour of those teams are in Connecticut,
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So it's the not meg Classic.But yeah, I think that one is.
The other tournaments might get a littlemore attention, but this one,
particularly as you mentioned this year,is definitely intriguing and should be fun to
watch. I'm all about the geographicalbased tournament if you are too. But
that's I mean, if you cando that, that's awesome. If you
can come out with a state championquote unquote at the end of something,
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I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's a great use of this week
right of the of the unusual partof the schedule, And yeah, I
think they do move around who hosts, and you know, what a cool
thing to really just have that thatrivalry and that competition and sort of hype
up the fan bases. And yeah, I think, like I said,
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it's not necessarily always as exciting.So I think it's it's pretty cool that
this tournament that happens every year andhas for several years, it's really like
on a national scale this year,so it should be fun. Yeah,
you had some interesting news about anotherkind of tournament or a team that's being
formed to play in another kind oftournament. You want to talk a little
bit about that. Yeah, Sothere is a team Caribbean women's ice hockey
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team that's made up of players fromthat represent that have heritage out of more
than a dozen nations in the Caribbean. And so this team came together and
played in the Latin Cup held inFlorida in August and one. On the
way to winning the championship, theybeat Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Mexico.
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And every player on the team isa current or former collegiate player.
So there's some D one players,some d three players and some youth sports
players. So they're doing a fundraiserto go play a tournament in Madrid.
We will share that link in theshow notes and on our socials. But
yeah, we'll see players that representWorcester State, Arcadia, Ontario Technical University
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in Canada, Chase Rudd and DianaBishop who play at His Sacred Heart,
Sheila Edwards from the University of Wisconsin, Jada Burke from Lindenwood University, and
the several of the players. Thereare four players from the Puerto Rican national
team and sort of the person thatput this team together and drives it all
as Jasmine Miley, who played atLiberty University, played in Europe and is
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on the Puerto Rican national team.So yeah, they're they're raising money to
go play in Madrid, which Ithink is pretty cool and so we will
share that information. And it's calledthe Hispanic Cup taking place in May into
the first week in June in Madrid. So if you want to support them,
they would absolutely appreciate it. Prettycool stuff, you know. All
right, Nicole, let's go outon this today. What's uh, what's
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your Thanksgiving plan uh for this forthis week? Area? Are you or
I guess historically, are you aa pie person? Are you a What's
what's the big part of Thanksgiving foryou? That's unintentionally you called me out
here, and I'm gonna present thecontroversial opinion that I hate pie. I
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say this as someone who has abaking and pastry degree. I almost no
pie has a correct feeling to piecrust ratio. What I really hate is
dry pie crust. So yeah,I'm I'm not a pie person. I
don't really like turkey either. I'min it for the sides. I think
that's a very fair rational argument thatI can't really argue with, especially the
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pie thing, because yeah, I'mwith you on the everything being too dry,
and then that's where I get.You know, turkey, I'm not
a huge fan. I'll eat it, but yeah, I'm I'm, you
know, honestly, like the onething I really really like at at at
Thanksgiving, and it's gonna sound strange, is like carrots with brown sugar that
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like, I don't do that.I could do absolutely do that any other
time of the year, but forwhatever reason. So yeah, So I
also, very Wisconsin of me makea brought worst stuffing, which I started
making I went to college New Orleansand lived down there for several years,
and so I started making it therewhen I stayed for Thanksgiving, and now
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is sort of my signature. It'swhat I have to bring whenever I go.
My husband's family hosts, so Iwill be bringing you very large serving
of brought worst stuffing like the goodWisconsin Midwesterner that I am. And folks,
if you need the rest of me, find the call on social happy
to pass that along. Yeah,but we're very thankful for you all.
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Thank you so much for joining uson this. We know we're just getting
started, and we're so happy thatyou know, everybody sees the need for
this and follows along and supports thewomen playing the sport that we all up.
So thank you all so much.We hope that you have a great holiday.
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