Episode 733: Captain America - Brave New World (2025) - The Projection Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Old you is, folks, it's showtime. People say good money
to see this movie.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
When they go out to a theater.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
They want clothed sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in
the protection booth.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Got it off?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You asked for me here I am. You want to
help me?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is there anything you remember, ladies and gentlemen, the president
of the United States?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
That is raw? Whatever this is, camp, be careful.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
What do we know?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
There were five shooters. This was a coordinat terrorist attack.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sir, I was a wartime general. Now I'm a wartime president.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Your inner circle has been compromised.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Let me fix it.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Watch yourself. You're not Steve Rogers. You're right, I'm not
wait for it. We're on the brink of war.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I can't trust anyone.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Nothing about this feels right. Captain America. You ever ask
yourself who's playing who?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Someone's been pulling the strings on everything.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
You're under arrest.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I don't want a variable out there that I can't control.
Captain America caught without his wings.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
You like to play dress up and you blindly execute
the state's orders.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
You don't even know what this is.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Since when were they read.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
You want Me.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Coming jentm me.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host, Mike White.
Joining me, of course, is mister Chris Dashue.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I'm angry all
the time. I'm Harrison Ford.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
In this episode, we are looking at Captain America Brave
New World, the latest installment of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
This film marks a significant transition here, with Anthony Mackie
stepping into the role of Captain America, succeeding Chris Evans's
portrayal of Steve Rogers. And maybe he'll be the Human
Torch also one of these days. Now, that's a whole different.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Guy technically has been in Deadpool.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh, nobody's talking about Anthony Mackie.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh, oh boy, that'd be fun. Harrison Ford is the
human Torch. Maybe we could do that.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Harrison Ford very red in this movie. And that's is
that like foreshadowing or is that just bad color contrast?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
When you don't trust your movie enough to hide the
fact that you have the Red Hulk in it? What
are you doing here, folks? I'm so excited to talk
about this movie. Was not something I was gonna go
out of my way to watch now because I don't
care about the MCU. Actually, far from it. I feel
like you and I at this point are pretty well invested.
This is the thirty fifth MCU movie, and I believe

(04:34):
I have only not seen two of those, maybe three
Eternals Chang Chi and Guardians three. So I've seen thirty
two of the thirty five movies.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I guess I've seen all thirty five.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's like abusive at this point, like we keep coming
back and they keep I would say before we talk
about the movie with spoilers, Mike, because this is the
movie people have to go out and pay money to see.
Is this a movie people should pay money to go
watch in the theaters? Is this an MCU experience worth enjoying?
Because we're not getting just one more MCU movie this year,
We're getting two more. Don't forget they're back on their bullshit,

(05:10):
as we would say.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, Chris, as someone who is concerned about the price
of eggs in America, I don't want to tell people
to go out and spend frivolously, but I'll say that
I spent my money to go see it and then
the power went out at the first act turn the
power clicked off, and I was like, did I hear music?

(05:34):
What was going on? Something so strange? And the well
was very bizarre. I was like, is this because they
made a reference to the Eternals and no one has
ever to speak of that movie again. But no, I
guess it's okay. So yeah, I spent money on it.
I don't know, Chris, what's your opinion of this.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think that this movie probably didn't need to exist.
It was like a TV show they didn't have enough for,
so they forced it into a movie that they also
didn't feel like they didn't have enough for. Because again
it's not this is not a spoiler because it's been
part of the advertising, but the Red Hulk is in
the movie. The spoiler will be when we get to

(06:12):
talk about how much the Red Hulk is in the movie.
I would say, if you're going to see this movie
based on the advertising, you are going to be sorely
disappointed because the way the film is advertised versus what
the film is two very different things. I think this
movie in a lot of ways is a poor effect
simile of Winter Soldier, a much better captain America movie.
I think that there are parts of this movie that

(06:32):
are good that I did enjoy. I didn't go into
this movie with very high hopes. I went into this
movie with zero hopes, if any hopes at all. I
frankly went into this movie with negative expectations, given that
I really Deadpool Wolverine. I've watched it subsequently to it
coming out, and it was just fine. It was just
fine then, and I think we all enjoyed it a

(06:54):
lot more because it was a Deadpool thing. But I
think this movie is right back to earth with the
kind of movies that the MCU was effectively putting out
before Deadpool Wolverine. I guess I have seen thirty one
of the thirty five movies, because I haven't seen The
Marvels either, which is in there. The chuckle is there
because it's probably just as useless of information to know

(07:16):
that movie happened as it is with the Eternals. If
they even mentioned it in this movie, which they didn't,
it would have been just a one line statement to
get out of the way of the things that are
happening in the movie. All that to say, no, I
do not think you should go check this movie out.
I think this movie is not worth your time for
the most part, because in a lot of ways, it
is a sequel to a movie that nobody asks for,

(07:38):
which is the weirdest thing, because in a lot of ways,
Marvel and the MCU specifically has felt like it's been
dodging the issue that this movie is now addressing for
seventeen years, and now this movie just like trundles into
it headfirst and doesn't really acknowledge the fact that it's
been seventeen years. It doesn't acknowledge a lot of things
that have happened since. But the things that it does acknowledge,

(08:00):
or again, the things that are like people have been
asking for us to do something? Is have people been
asking for the Eternals to have any sort of information
re brought up? Not really, so I don't think so. No,
I think this is a skip. So I think we're
both on different ends of the spectrum at the moment.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Before we move on, I do want to address the
whole Red Hulk thing because I was frankly shocked when
I was watching the trailer for this at the movie
theater a few months ago, and that they were just
so blatant about showing the Red Hulk because I was like,
I thought that was supposed to be a surprise, because
the posters that I'd seen for it were the Red

(08:36):
Hulk hand holding the shield. The other one I saw
was Anthony Macki behind the shield and a red fist
coming in. So I was like, Oh, that's good. They're
teasing this Red Hulk thing. They're doing it a little
too much with this poster of the red fist coming in,
but that could be any creature. It doesn't have to
be a Hulk.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But then I.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Watched the trailer, I was like, Oh, okay, fuck me.
Then I guess this is just how we're doing this.
We're gonna have this big twist. I guess maybe it's
not a big twist. Maybe in the movie that's revealed
at the end of act one. No, this is an
Act three reveal everyone already knows is going to happen.
And Jesus Christ, what did you just have no faith

(09:20):
in this movie whatsoever that you had to let the
cat out of the bag in the trailer? Can you
not create a trailer about Captain America, the new Captain
of America and all the struggles he's going through which
they barely touch on. They get the one line about
I like Steve Rogers better or whatever it was, and
I was just like, I think that people would lose

(09:42):
their fucking mind if there was a new Captain America,
and god forbid a black Captain America. Oh jeez, it's
a DEI hire is coming for your jobs here, White America.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, and then don't forget Falcon is now also Columbian. Yeah,
and Harrison Ford is playing an old curmudgeingly. Oh wait,
never mind, he's playing himself, got it.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, it's interesting he's a compromised president, as if people
have dirt on him. Maybe when he was forty he
went to Russia.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Maybe. Oh no, let's just get to spoilers. I think
if you were listening to this conversation up to this point,
you're gonna have made your own opinions and thoughts. And
you want us to get to the point where we
can talk about the movie and actually talk about the movie.
But let's talk about the Red Elephant in the room.
The Red Hulk is in the movie, and I shit

(10:35):
you not, because I have the movie through means just
like you do. The movie ends at an hour and
fifty minutes. The Red Hulk is on screen at one
hour and thirty two minutes.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'm surprised it's even that long.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
That's fucking insanity. The Red Hulk is not an afterthought.
The Red Holk has his own comic book. The Red
Hulk is a massive storyline in the comic books that
again nails what Look, we would both agree with what
they're going for. Thunderbolt Ross is a fucking asshole who

(11:09):
deserves to get turned into the Red Hulk because then
he is no better than the thing that he has
been chasing, trying to create since the first Incredible Hulk movie,
all the way back in two thousand and eight. The
summer of Iron Man was also the summer of the Incredible Hulk.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I would say, even further back than that.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
The oft maligned Eric Bannot movie, which I mean again, look,
Ainley was doing his own thing. I think that movie
is not a Hulk movie. It is an interesting movie,
but I don't think it's a Hulk movie. Say what
you will about it. It's an interesting movie. I don't
think it succeeds at much, but both the Hulk movies
are better than this one.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Avengers was more of a Hulk movie than this. See.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Definitely it was more of a Hulk movie than this
one was. We got to find that he's angry all
the time, those things. Yeah, I went back and I
watched the two thousand and three Hulk movie in preparation
for this conversation, and it's so bad.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's not like this is the kind of failure that
we're so used to at this point that I'm just like,
all the MCU is doing is just living up to
the expectations of not doing much that ang Lee movie,
because it's two thousand and three and effectively all we've
really had is Spider Man and X Men movies. It's
such a weird failure because it's such a weird movie
that yes, I agree with you, it's a failure. And

(12:24):
I also rewatched it. I didn't dislike it as much.
I was just kind of, ah, this is weird, but
it's weird in a way that like these movies tend
to not be weird anymore. So I'm almost again this
is I know you might bristle at this a little bit,
but I would equate it almost to the prequel Star Wars.
Movies are bad, they're not great, but at least they're

(12:44):
all one singular vision from one person. The MCU at
one point lost the ghost. I feel like it was
post endgame and they haven't been able to coalesce their
ideas into something manageable since. And this movie is yet
another example that like this is just wheel spinning. At
least the Anglee movie somewhat had something to say, at

(13:04):
least that first incredible Hulk movie was a Hulk movie.
This is a Captain America movie that is in fact
a fucking Hulk movie instead. And it does neither of
those things very well. And it weighs Anthony Mackie, who
actually really like it's too bad. He's really charming, and
so is the actor who plays Falcon, who's not Anthony Mackie.

(13:26):
Danny Ramirez also great as what Quin Torres Falcon. So
I don't know, what a shame. That's my takeaway from
this movie is what a shame.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I don't agree with you that this was a bad movie.
I had some fun with that. It's not the best movie.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm not saying it's a bad movie. I'm just saying
it's not worth going to see in theaters. It's better
than I thought, but it's not worth going to spend
money on, I think is more of the issue.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I wanted to go back to Hulk two thousand and three.
I think one of the problems with that movie is
that there are too many villains, like we have experienced
that time and time again, and I think other than
like non Ursa and Zod and maybe the three brothers
from Lone Wolf and Cub two, there's very few times

(14:13):
where you get multiple villains on screen where it really
adds to things. I think you should aim at too
and stop there, because you've got Thunderbolt Ross in that
one as well, who's trying to stop the Hulk. You've
got Hulk's dad, Nick Nolty, that very confusing character, and
then you also have and I'm trying to remember the

(14:33):
guy's name, the guy who does voiceover commercials for Home
Depot these days, Josh, you just guess, and he's also there,
and I'm like, that's one villain too many guys. You
really should have kept this down to Thunderbolt Ross is
her father, is Betty's father, and he's maybe a better father.
He's trying to protect his daughter. And then you get

(14:55):
the other father who's trying to corrupt his son, like
literally he has corrupted his blood. But yeah, this whole
thing of Josh Lucas in here is just kid out here.
You're freaking You're the whiplash of this movie. We don't
need you in this movie right now, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
He pulled that that give me Mickey Rourke. Ladies and gentlemen,
it's like he joined us in the studio right now.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And then Yeah, the two thousand and eight Hulk, I
actually still really a lot. I wish that Ed Norton
hadn't been such a dickhead and could have kept being
David Bruce Banner.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Oh, hey, I'm a Mark Ruffalo. I'm a great guy.
I love Mark Rufflos and one of my favorite movies
he's in Zodier. I love Mark Ruffalo. But Ed Norton
had an edge to him. Mark Rufflo, can we just
speak to Mark Ruffalo's Hulk.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is kind of here's a dorky Hulk.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, and like Ed Norton was not a dork like
at all, Like he's a dick Like Norton is taking
inspiration from real either of those.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Hulks, None of the Hulks that I've seen so far,
with the exception of this Red Hulk, but even then,
I don't know, none of them could experience the whole
World War Hulk and Planet Hulk storyline. That is a
Hulk that is just bent on revenge and bloodshed and

(16:18):
just enjoys violence. It's that whole thing of like him
getting more strong as he gets more angry, and he
just enjoys the anger and revels in the anger. That
whole thing. I went back and I reread those, and
holy shit, are those amazing comics.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
World War Hulk is so good. So I want to
talk broadly about something here that has been an MCU
problem because I was watching a lot of MCU content
to prepare for this, like hours of MCU content, both
movies and critical thought on the MCUs. Here's some of
the biggest problems the MCU has had, and this is
one of them, micro microtizing the big plot lines into

(16:55):
singular films and television show experiences. Secret Invasion was a
television show, Civil War was a singular movie. The Planet
Hulk was a singular movie, sort of Red Hulk a
singular movie. These are and the biggest one for me,
and this is the one that pisses me off still
because this is the one that they not only missed it,

(17:17):
but they missed it and it just kept going. And
then they came back to it and they were like,
but see red Skull, red Skull should have been Like,
I get we had Thanos, but Red Skull before the
Red School went out, before Thanos. Red Skull is not
even part of Captain America's story after the first movie.
But again, like that could be given a pass because

(17:38):
of when it happened. Now, why are you doing Red
Hulk at the end of a Captain America movie and
you're ostensibly never going to return to this because I
don't think they're gonna get Harrison Ford back do anything
to either.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
We all know William Hurt passed away. He had been
Thunderbolt ross several things.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And he never would have done this anyways. There's no
universe where you would have had him doing this. I
can't imagine someone being like William Hurt, go stand over
there and pretend to shit yourself.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I just wish that had they thought about it, they
cast somebody a little bit younger and made them up
to look older, because we've had that problem where they
were de aging William Hurt, especially in that Black Widow.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Movie Michael Douglass and ant Man. He looked okay, looked okay.
Remember when they d aged Robert Downey Junior in Civil War?

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yes, I do, and he looked exactly like he did
in Less Than Zero?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
He did. Sure? Did they know how to nail it?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Sometimes?

Speaker 6 (18:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That William Hurt stuff was way uncanny with that, and
I was just like, ah, so, yeah, I get something
a little bit younger, or throw Sam Elliott a bowlin
and get him over here rather than doing freaking insurance
commercials on TV every half hour.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't understand why they took these big storylines and
they make them small issues. Secret invasion is a thing
that that should have been a thing that they were
dealing with from day one, like they issue up Danos
started in Avengers one. That was two thousand and thirteen twelve.
We're ten years on from that, and we're how many
years removed from Endgame at this point six years removed

(19:06):
from endgame. They haven't even been able to show us
a threat comparable to Thanos since and we're barreling towards
an Avengers movie within the next year and a half.
The Hulk should have been the villain for the next
ten movies. You do a Planet Hulk thing and have
the Avengers Planet Hulk, because again the Hulk went away,
but they just they burned through it. It's wild to

(19:27):
me how quickly they burned through things that you would
think they would be like, we need to spend so
much time on this and build this up and do
all that. No, fifteen minutes Red Hulk. Never gonna see
it again in the MC Wait a second here, it's fucked.
It's just fucking wild. And it's the Dragon with the

(19:47):
gold problem. They have all this gold and they don't
know what to do with it, and so they just
squander it if they do anything with it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
A whole thing of Ultron. Ultron one of the best
villains that there ever has been, but they treated it
so bad. One movie, yeah, and a really bad movie too.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I still like it only because of James Spader's Ultron.
The only way to watch James Spader's Ultron is to
go watch that movie, you know what I mean. Like,
it's the reality of it. It's not like you can go, well,
I want to see Chris Evans's Captain America, so I
can go watch Cap two and enjoy it there cap three. Now,
there's no other way to see James Spader's Ultron other
than I think maybe an episode of What If.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I think at this point, yeah, which is a great
episode of What If.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
It is.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, man, what a great show then, And that is
showing you how fucking crazy it is to deal with Ultron.
That really starts and they jump the gun so quickly
when it comes to that. And I think they did
a good job in the movie as far as Cam
taking over the rest of the Iron Man suits and
making those his drones rather than replicating himself, because I

(20:48):
was always trying to be better, always trying to be better,
making a better version of himself. How he made the vision,
but they twisted that. I'm okay, by the way. With
differences between the comics and.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Movies, yeah, they have more time in the comics. Like
the comics don't cost anything. You can literally have Punisher.
It's the thing that's hard to explain to people that
have never read comic books. And I know you read
comic books, as did I. Spider Man, the Punishers, we're
hanging out doing stuff all the time. The Punisher got
introduced in a Spider Man comic because the Punisher's right

(21:19):
to kill Spider Man initially, and it didn't cost any
money additional to draw Spider Man and the Punisher together.
But the moment, we have to have a person playing
the role, and then the expectation is the person's going
to continue to play the role in subsequent things. We
run into issues because we have Punisher, who the fuck
knows if he's ever gonna show up again. We have Daredevil,
we know he's showing up again. Remember how there's Moonnight

(21:42):
in the MCU. I'd rather not or ch Hulk. I
remember that. Once we go into we can expand it,
but we need a person. Now it's a cost, right.
Look at Blade, monsieur che la alit never gonna play Blade.
At this point, you couldn't convince me of that. It's
not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Only been one Blade, You've only ever gonna be.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Lat But yeah, Blade is in comic books with Spider Man,
and I believe this year's big event in the comic
books is a vampire thing that has to do with Blade.
It was either this year last year. Like it's hard
to watch these movies and not think to myself, if
you're gonna do these big crossover things. It can't just

(22:23):
be one movie, but then you have to commit to
doing multiple things. And so is it they don't think
the audience is smart enough and the audience's attentions fan
is enough or do they think that the audience is
stupid and just that the audience won't get invested over
several movies. Look at the way people reacted to Endgame
and Infinity War for that matter. Infinity War was Fanus' movie.

(22:44):
This should have been in a lot of ways, like
a Red Hulk movie, and instead it's just a poor
facsimile of Winter Soldier with Red Hulk slapped on the
last fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
The nods or lifts direct lifts from Winter Soldier were
just a lot the moment when John k leespo Zito
is sined Wider and I'm trying to look at boys.
The whole Serpent thing was that in the TV show
because I barely remember the show, and I don't think
it was.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
If you remember when they announced Captain America to the
fake title of the movie was Captain America and the
Serpent Society, And so that is them finally making good
on that with this movie. Is them putting him in
it for three scenes. Give me a break. When were
these old reshoots on top of everything else? Like they
don't even feel like they exist in the same framework

(23:31):
of a similar movie. The best part of this movie
is almost the epilogue of the TV show, Like it's
the stuff with Karl Lumley with Isaiah Bradley, Like it's
when they go to the White House, Like some of
that stuff is genuinely interesting. Most everything else is just
like Winter Soldier but diminishing that.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's where the blackness of the story actually comes through,
and you're like, oh, wow, okay, this is great. I'm
so glad that they're bringing the Isaiah Bradley character into
this the whole truth. Any series that they had going,
what was it, Red, White, and Black, I think it
might have been the title that that was fantastic. And
to see him and he's just, yeah, they experimented on

(24:10):
me for all these decades, and that's why I'm not
out there busting bad guys or anything, because the government
fucked me over completely. And you go into the back
room of his gym and he's got Jack Jones and
all these other black athletes and stuff. I'm just like, yeah,
this is great. I'm like, like, I want the poster
of the three guys at the Olympics with the two
guys with the fist rays and everything. So yeah, you

(24:31):
get him, Isaiah, this is fantastic. But yeah they just
drop that. And then yeah, like you said, the scene
with Sidewinder where he's blowing up the car, I'm like, okay, yeah,
this is totally the Winter Soldier. There's another couple. The
whole thing of having this secret facility Camp Echo I
think they call it. I'm like, oh, is this the
moment when Toby Jones is going to show up on

(24:52):
the computer screen. No, it's when tim Blake Neilson finally
shows up, and I'm like, oh cool, tim Blake Nelson.
I'm so glad that he's in this because I always
wonder what happened with Samuel Stearns and also him getting
the raw deal as well. This whole movie is about
the way that presidents abuse power, because he's also been
abused by this president by Thunderbolt Ross where he's just hey, man,

(25:16):
you promised me i'd get out. Even the thing where
they're like, oh, we have the man in custody who
created the abomination. I'm like, he did that on your orders,
Thunderbolt Ross. That's in the credits of the movie. They
say that they have the person who did that in custody.
So they spoil the twist of the movie in the
beginning of the movie on top of everything else, like
straight up again.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
They're ruined the twist of this movie in the advertising.
They should not have advertised the Red Hulk at all.
And look, here's the thing. If you and I were
sitting here and they had not advertised the Red Hulk
at all, we would have gone into this movie going
there is a more than zero percent chance that we
see a Hulk Harrison Ford in this movie. You have
to see it up until the movie though. And yet

(25:59):
they and I don't think they trust the audience. I
don't think they trust the public anymore. I think that
Disney and Marvel don't trust that people will just go
see their movies. To see their movies, they have to
see something they've never seen before. And a cgi Harrison
Ford running around as a Hulk, as much as I've

(26:20):
never seen it before, it is ultimately like that little
piece of metal on a phishing lure. It is just
there solely to bring your eye in, but it serves
no purpose other than to get you on the hook.
And once you around the hook, it's two over. Once
you sit down the theater, they have your money. And these
movies are not holding their under the bargain anymore, and

(26:40):
they haven't really since Infinity War and Endgame as far
as I'm concerned, Like I want these movies to get
back to where they were, where it's like, this is
a thing that people are invested in. This is a
thing where when Endgame in Infinity War came out, you
were like, I'm going to see this, and this is
don't ruin this, this is the thing. I'm not saying
we're all sitting and ruining these movies now, But when

(27:01):
these are coming out three by a year, it's not
as exciting, it's not as much of a thing. What
is this going to be bad so that Thunderbolts and
Fantastic four can pick up the slack? Okay, Also, in
and of itself, the idea of.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Having a February release of a Marvel film, I think
really started back with the Black Panther movie, and that
was fantastic because you got the introduction to Black Panther
in February, and then I think it was June when
they ended up doing the first Avengers the Infinity War,

(27:39):
and I was just like, that was amazing. That was
so smart to give us Black Panther then, and then
because we already saw a Black Panther in Civil War,
so we knew that this character, but to really give
him his focus and that was such a good movie
to have, and then to bounce off of that into
the Infinity War, and I was just like, oh my god.
And then when Black Panther returned to Dust at the

(28:02):
end of in Trinity War, there were people in the
honesty We're just like, no, oh, no, and it's just wow.
He really made such an impact on people that they
were like upset that he was gone. I thought that
was fantastic. I thought it was really smart. And I
think that they were trying to cash in on that
same goodwill by having another February release here, and I

(28:23):
know they did it twenty twenty three with that piece
of shit ant manned Quantumania, which might be one of
the worst of these movies. It's really tell it's a
race to the bottom between that and Love and Thunder,
I think. And then Eternals is right there.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Don't say black Widow, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I enjoy Black Widow. I enjoy Sang Shi. I've seen
that several times now. Nice appearance by Emil Blonski in
there as the Abomination. He's much more comic accurate in
that than he was in the two thousand and eight film.
And I also liked his parents and she Hulk because well,
and it was really nice that it was tim Roth
coming into Sheehulk. I thought that was fantastic. But to

(29:05):
go back to the otherness of this as well, Like,
I mean, they pretty much tell us that something is
going on with Ross and we know, as the audience
because we've seen the trailers now, and like they're telling us,
though in no uncertain terms, that something is wrong with
him when he's on that I believe he's on a ship.
And suddenly we hear Stearns's voice in his ear piece

(29:28):
and I'm like, first off, I'm like, is everybody hearing this?
There's no sort of like attic And then he taps
his ear or something, but he has Stearns's voice in
his ear and he's basically egging him on, and it's
let out the reach he's basically the Emperor at this point.
Good feed into your anger, all that kind of stuff.
He starts to potentially change. I'm like, oh, okay, so

(29:51):
we're just going back to the Avengers. You're ripping off
yourself like you've ripped off Winter Soldier, which is probably
my favorite of all the mc you movies, and then
you're ripping off the Avengers as well, and I'm like,
oh my gosh, guys, like, can you be a little
bit more original with this? And it's like they even

(30:11):
mentioned at one point where Sam's, oh, yeah, I had
a friend who was controlled by trigger words, and that's
the whole thing with Stearns playing the Mister Blue song
as everybody's triggered, and I'm just like, how did he
get into all these people's heads so quickly? I guess
must have talked with all of these guys or somehow,
like through his leader powers. I don't know, but it's

(30:35):
like there's a good movie in here someplace, because the
whole thing of the very first line of the movie
is have you heard from my daughter? And it's this
whole thing of like him wanting to reconnect with Betty,
and then he starts to bring up the cherry blossoms,
and then you have the Japanese Prime Minister and I'm like, oh,
that's really cool. You were tying in the whole thing
of back in what was in nineteen twelve when Japan

(30:56):
donated all of the cherry trees to Washington as a
symbol of goodwill because of the help that we gave
them the Russo Steino war or a Japanese war. And
it's just, oh, that's really cool. And he keeps talking
about the cherry blossoms and hey, Betty, we can walk
through the cherry blossoms. This is not my observation. This
is one that I got from the pitch meeting for this.

(31:18):
I love Ryan George's pitch meetings. And he brought up
the idea of why isn't it Betty who shows up
at the end and talks him down.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Do you don't think there's a cut of this movie
that has seth Rollins, the wrestler in it that he
talks about like they cut me out of the movie,
like I was in it. I was on set, they
cut me out. I am telling you that this movie again,
I'm not saying it like verifiably there were reshoots that
is a verified piece of information that has been well documented.

(31:48):
There were reshoots as recently as a couple months ago
with this fucking thing. I've got to assume that there's
version of this movie where she was going to come
out at the end and go to some extent in
a Black Widow esque direction with the interaction between her
and Red Hulk, and instead we get again what feels

(32:09):
like someone going, did we need liv Tyler? Was she
on mccallsheet for a reason?

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
We still got that raft set lying around? All right,
let's just have her in that for a minute. And
it genuinely feels like did you see Exorcist Believer? No,
there's a scene at the end of Exorcist Believer where
it's it's that Hugh Reagan and it's there comes Reagan
walking through the door and it's a movie. Come on,
you can't It's like the last thirty seconds of the movie.
This does the same thing, because liv Tyler should have

(32:36):
been the main female protagonist to this movie, almost like
the fact that she's not in here, and we get
Zosha Rockmore as Leyla Taylor, otherwise known as a character
that they're not going to actually have in this movie
as the character.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
They never call our Sabra.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, no they don't. Interesting choice, Disney. I don't know
what that's all about. Yeah, I'm that lived Tyler's in
this movie at all, because if she's going to be
in it, she should be in it more than she is.
And if she's going to be in it this little
she shouldn't have been in it at all.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I know. I was actually surprised that she showed up
because they just had that like stock photo of her
from the two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Eight the great photo.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
They just had that, and then they had her voice
at one point, and I love how she's, oh, yeah,
I should have called after the assassination attempt. I'm like,
you think you should have called after the assassination attempt
that was all over national news, But no, you chose
another time to call. I'm like, really, come on here,
Yeah that was bad. And instead with the ending, it's

(33:45):
Sam's there, Hey, mister President, call him down, Son's going down,
big guy, that kind of thing, and then he ends
up punching him again and it turns into another fight
and then how's it end? Hey, mister President, you really
need to calm down, and it's.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Oh my God, we just did this five minutes ago.
But now it works.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Now he becomes little Harrison Ford, little old Harrison Ford
with this and Harrison Ford, I just wonder sometimes I'm like,
why are you still doing this? Are you doing it
for the money, because it just feels like he's not
having a good time. Like I like Harrison Ford a lot,
and I just feel for him, and I'm just like,
I wish you were having as much fun being you
on screen as I do watching you on screen, because

(34:26):
I think you're fantastic and I've been watching you since
I was five years old and just really enjoy every
single time you show up on screen.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
This is the same man who is Indiana Jones. I
have to remind myself of that. It for me was
the reason I wanted to watch this movie because to
your point, I'm a huge fan of Harrison Ford. Indiana
Jones made a large impact on me as a child.
Han Solo. Similarly, Harrison Ford is an actor who if
he's in something, it's probably going to be more interesting

(34:57):
by having him in it because he's an interesting actor.
This is a weird movie because we have a giant,
eight foot tall cgi Harrison Ford as the Hulk on screen.
We can never unsee that. However, they do so little
with it. It's say, Okay, what the fuck? This is
such an interesting concept? Why do so little with it?
Why waste this opportunity with the Red Hulk? Because you

(35:19):
know what, Red Hulks are coming back. I might fucking
eat my words, but I feel confident because it took
him seventeen years to bring back Tim Blake Nelson seventeen years.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And I'm sorry. I'm a huge Tim Blake Nelson fan.
I love him so much, and I was secretly hoping
when I read somebody posted like, this isn't that great
of a Captain America movie, but it's a pretty good
Hulk sequel, I was like, oh gosh, does that mean
Tim Blake Nelson is coming back finally? As Samuel Stearns,
the leader. Have been so excited for this, and he's

(35:53):
barely in it, and he's barely visible, and when he
does show up, I'm like, yeah, this is great.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
You are the one.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
When I'm talking about having three Villa in this movie,
and basically there's Sidewinder is one, there's Sam Stearns as another,
but then you've got the President as well. But then
I'd like the idea of that Sam Stearns created that monster,
but he doesn't create him to cause destruction. He basically
creates him in order to embarrass himself and like to

(36:19):
get called out for what a piece of shit he's
been to all of these people over the years. Then
he kind of gets away with it, like they end
up putting them in the raft and everything. But I'm like,
what's the fallout for America? Is that the next movie?
But yeah, that just seemed very strange, But yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Was all very tidally wrapped up in that same work.
We're glad you stepped down, mister pre Like I wanted
to see the fallout. I don't know how to put this,
but we had the White House destroyed. Take this step
back as we've run to the end of the movie.
We have at the end of the film, Harrison Ford
as the President of the United States as the Red
Hulk destroying the White House, crashing through the White House,

(36:59):
smashing through the White House, fighting Captain America on top
of the White House. A couple things. The sequence should
have been way more awesome than it is, because it's
pretty boring. This should have been Chris Evans fighting this
Red Hulk. If we had anybody fighting the Red Hulk,
it should have been Chris Evans. And if we didn't
have Chris Evans, it should have been the Hulk fighting

(37:19):
the Red Hulk. Why is it Captain America as Anthony
Mackie fighting the Red Hulk? Because the Hulk's still round?
We know he's still around. And then, on top of
everything else, this is the last fifteen minutes of the movie.
This should have been like a half an hour thing.
This should have been an extended sequence, and yet it
feels like such an afterthought, and all of it should

(37:41):
have been way more bombastic and explosive than it is.
But I guess the Hulk jumping past the Washington Monument
and destroying it is just not exciting. We're so jaded
as CGI viewers. That's not exciting anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Kind of reminds me that John mulaney skin, I do
you remember what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
It's like there's a horse loose in a hospital. I
think eventually everything's gonna be okay, but I have no
idea what's gonna happen next, and neither do any of you,
and neither do your parents because there's a horse loose
in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's never happened before.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
No one knows what the horse is gonna do next,
least of all the horse. He's never been in a
hospital before. He's as confused as you are. There's no experts.
They try to find experts on the news. They're like,
we're joined now by a man that once saw a
bird in the airport. It's like, get out of here

(38:39):
with that shit. We've all seen a bird in the airport.
This is a horse loosen a hospital.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
We've talked a lot about a lot of things. Boy,
we haven't talked about the Falcon and the Winter Soldier,
which tim the show. The idea of a TV show
Falcon and Winter Soul worked for me because those characters
aren't big enough to support a movie for me, and
it was more like this almost bloody, cop uneasy relationship
between those two characters and everything. And I was like

(39:12):
their whole thing. I think that was in which one
was that was that Civil War where it was like
can you move the seat back? No, I can't like
those kind of things. Like I enjoyed that whole banter
that they have, and I enjoyed it in the TV
show as well, the whole thing with them and who
is the what was the name of the villain in that.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
One, Zimo? And he comes back in the TV show.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, yeah, he's very much in this TV show, and
I thought that he was really good there, but then
it's like there's not enough of them for a movie,
and just also the whole idea, and they bring it
up in here and they even had that line towards
the end Bucky was full of shit. I should have
taken the serum kind of thing, because it's, yeah, you're
a regular dude, Like, no offense to you, Anthony Mackie,

(39:54):
But to the character of Falcon, he's a regular dude,
not enhanced whatsoever, never has been. He's very much like
Hawkeye Black Widow Boyar. They can do these amazing things,
but this guy's getting fucking hammered by the Hulk. And yeah,
he's got the new vibranium wings and everything, and he's

(40:15):
got the vibranium shield, but this guy's insides are probably
jelly like just to take that abuse, how are you
even doing this? That's just not to again be like
a little kid who's just like, oh, what happens if
the Hulk fights Galactus, those kind of things. But it's
like you always have to think to yourself, like, what
is this guy's powers? What can he do? He's really

(40:37):
good with that suit Man, which I guess is iron Man,
but iron Man's got a lot more padding and a
lot more suit to cover him than Sam does.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I think about the line from Avengers, big Man and
a suit of armor, So take that off.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
What are you, genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
It's hard to have just a guy as the right
I think when I think about the MCU, I think
about wrestling and the people that are always in charge
in wrestling, the guys that are the ones that everybody
think of are always bigger than life. And Anthony Mackie
and I like him as Captain America, but the role
of Captain America is so much bigger than life than

(41:19):
any one person could step into. I think it's almost
unfortunate to call him Captain America because it feels just
like they're trying to hang a lantern on the fact
that we all know that there was another Captain America.
And I'm not saying we need another Captain America, but
do we I like that Anthony Mackie is Captain America.
I like that a black man is Captain America. I

(41:41):
do like that. I don't think that this movie likes that.
I don't think that this movie pays attention to it enough.
The TV show tried to make sure that we understood
how much of maybe not a burden, he feels, but
he definitely feels that odd with the fact that Captain
America is supposed to represent the country, and yet I'm
sure there are plenty I know that there are plenty

(42:03):
of African Americans and Black people in this country who
do not feel represented by the way this country has
treated them.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Lasia or Isaiah character right there.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Right exactly, but it's afterthought. We'll talk about it, but
then put him in jail the rest of the movie
and just have them doing a Winter Soldier like pantomime,
like Punch and Judy. It's like four hundred million dollars
to do this, no creativity. The only creative idea is
the Red Hulk at the end of the movie. And
even then we're complaining about them not going back to

(42:33):
the thing we expected them to do with it, because
if they had done the Sons going down big fellow
thing we might have. No, I don't think we would
have complained about that, because that would have made perfect
sense within the framework of the movie to have liv
Tyler come back.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
And maybe to make him seen larger than life. That's
why they cast Shara Hasen there as Ruth Batsarah, because
that lady is only five foot two.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I think it's so tiny, and there's shots of her
and Bucky and Cap and I'm just like, oh my god,
she barely even comes up to like their nipples. I
liked her performance. I liked her a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I did too, I just wish she had more to do,
And like you were saying, like, as far as a
lead female character, I don't think this movie has one
because she's barely in this She does some good things,
and I like that she's very smart and really help
save especially Isaiah. But it's just, yeah, give me a
little bit more here, give me something more of her
at the end or something.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
But why introduce a character who is so obviously she's
a Jewish superhero. But they're not allowing that to be
the character.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
They say now that she was in the Red Room
or whatever, the whole training thing for black widows and
I'm like, Okay, let be a black widow show up
and kicks a mass At the end, I was just
saying that Natasha will go toe to toe with the
Hulk even though she's not powered. Where was sober here?
I would have liked to have seen.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
That Blaquido had no fear. They should have gal Gado
in this movie. Everything's better with Galagado, the greatest of
the Israeli actresses. Gal Gado. I was already having a.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Hard time because of Sam Stearns and his head. I
was glad that they didn't make his head bigger because
I was just like, oh, he's starting to look like
Hector Hammond from the Green Lantern movie.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
That's the thing we want to remind people of is
a awful DC movie. What was that, DCEU. Thank God,
we don't have to worry about that anymore. Good lord, now,
it's just the DCEU now. And actually, maybe I'm gonna
give James Gun an opportunity to change my opinion on
DC movies because Marvel definitely not doing much here. This

(44:40):
is not my observation, but this is an observation worth making.
Martin Scorsese complained about these movies being theme park rides.
I think that this may be that this is very soulless.
This feels very corporatety. This feels like a decision made
with a bunch of people at a table, everybody going,
we can't have it be too black now, because then

(45:02):
that'll offend and isolate and make people in Middle America
not feel good. So they're not it's black. Panther was
a pretty fucking black movie. I watch that movie at
least once a year to remind myself that is a
very well made MCU movie, almost to the detriment of
the movie that it's an MCU movie, because Ryan Coogler
elevated a lot of the MCU tropes a lot further

(45:24):
than anybody else has, even if at the end of
the movie it's a yellow suited guy fighting a purple
suited guy in a CGI background, which I guess they
were always going to because their MCU movies. But for
fuck's sake, the soundtrack for that movie was performed at
the Super Bowl this year. Kendrick performed a song from
that film this year at the Super Bowl, which means

(45:45):
that movie made a rather large impact on black culture.
This movie, which should have been making a similar impact because,
like you mentioned February, everybody it doesn't want to even
embrace the fact that half of the cast is black.
Gencar Lewis Posito, Carl Lundley and Matt Anthony Mackie are
three of your leads effectively in a MCU film, the

(46:07):
largest franchise of franchise films to come out.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
And then you have a black director as well. But
Julius ownA is a strange director choice for this for
me because like he and all of the screenwriters, I
don't think any of them had any other superheroes before this.
I think one had worked on the Falcon and Winter
Soldier TV show, but that was it. And then this guy.

(46:30):
I'm sorry, but it's going to take me a long
time to forgive this director for the Cloverfield.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Paradox, one of the great bait and switches of all time.
What a miserable ass movie.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
There's a new Cloverfield movie that's coming out right after
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Man Shadow released movies and the movie was bad.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh, it was so bad.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
And I've this is not like an opinion that you know.
When the movie came out and I haven't watched it
since I watched it, like the last couple of years.
Still completely just a mess from the start to finish,
all the way down. The movie's a mess because it
just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, when I saw his
name attached, this was like why. And also to.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Talk about ripping off themselves and other superhero films that
the end of this movie, the thing that finally triggers
the President to turn into the Hulk, to actually show
his true colors, is a recording of a phone call
that they had. And I'm just sitting there going, I'm
gonna play this town like a heart from Hell. I'm like,

(47:32):
this is Batman returns right here, like the whole thing
of the Penguin having goods on the mayor and everything
and become more running for mayor and having Max Shrek
behind him and all that stuff. I was just like, so,
this is it. You get mad at this phone call?

Speaker 7 (47:47):
Okay, hey, just relax, I'll take care of that squealing.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Wretched of God. I didn't say that.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
You gotta admit I played this shrinking city like a frown.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
The whole thing of this is coming out in February
of twenty twenty four, and you're talking about Black History
Month and all this and it says, yeah, I don't
think Black History Month is going to be a thing
next year. I wouldn't be surprised if June Teeth gets
repeeled this year. It's just it's getting that bad. And yeah,
I know they didn't make this when things were starting

(48:37):
to turn to shit, but they didn't make this when
things were turning to shit, and they really with those reshoots,
they could have really piled them on here. And I'm
curious about your guy. You said it was a wrestler.
I'm curious if he was another one of not sidewine
the serpents speaks.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. I believe that he was cut
out of the beginning of the film. Is the overwhelming
kind of theory, and he's talked about it himself.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It'll be long fight at the beginning, almost as long
as the air fight, the dog fight that's going on.
I'm just like, gosh, this is taken forever and it's
just shot so confusingly. I'm just like, who's where and when?
And we got how many planes are up there? Plus
two guys flying are okay? Yeah, just like you could

(49:21):
have really handled that a lot better.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Julius Ona has known JJ Abrams when it comes to
shooting vehicular action, cause that you know what, like for
all of JJ Abrams problems like those Star Trek movies
had pretty good like vehicular combat. And if you have
a character who's flying around in his wingsuit, that's effectively
a human airplane, and you need to have someone who

(49:44):
can shoot that action effectively or don't have it in
your movie. And yeah, I was gonna say that's the
other thing about this movie that is unfortunate. Not great
action set pieces either. I mean in a lot of ways,
like the Marvel movies are and this is me drawing
a game in comparison, the Marvel movies are like Call
of Duty at this point. Like, I don't go into

(50:04):
it expecting high brow entertainment. I expect some bombbass, some pomp,
a little bit of circumstance. But these things know what
they are. In a lot of ways, this movie knew
what people were expecting from it, and I don't think
it lived up to the expectations of being even an
action movie. And again, it's a spy thing too. It's
like a spy thriller because it has to be Winter Soldier,

(50:26):
because it's Captain America. Though it doesn't have to be like,
why do that again? Why not Soldier out and forge
your own path? No pun intended as its own thing,
because if you're gonna do half of Winter Soldier and
then half of something else entirely, just cut the half
a Winter Soldier out and don't have Sebastian stand in

(50:47):
your movie either, because don't remind me that there was
a point where it could have just been Sebastian and
Anthony Macki together, which again feels like a missed opportunity
that wasn't just this movie. On top of everything else,
he's going to be a politician now, guy was brainwashed.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, how are they gonna get past all the bad press?

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I don't know. Apparently they couldn't let him be Captain
America because he was brainwashed. So he's allowed to be
a fucking politician. What is that saying about the world
that they live in? My god?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, he did help during the Infinity Wars and everything,
and I can't remember if he disappeared during the snap.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yes, no, he got snapped away, Yeah he did.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Oh, okay, so then they had to carry around that
stupid arm for five years till he came back.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
His arm does disappear with him, Mike, Jeez, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
That's so weird that it would.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, but then again, all.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Their clothes disappear and stuff. So I guess, like their
whole body, the being itself, So I guess that's part
of his being.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Like God, Spider Man is just naked somewhere.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
That's even part of this movie for a little while too.
It's the whole thing of him and the younger guy
the new Falcon. Okay, this is the Iron Man and
Spider Man. That's how this relationship feels. With the teasing
and all that kind of stuff. I'm like, okay, again,
you're telling me about certain other things that I was
even thinking of. Another I was thinking of, was it

(52:07):
the best of the X Men movie, not counting Logan,
but the best x Men movie where it was Yeah,
that was the second one, right where Nightcrawler breaks into
the White House, And I just was thinking of that
movie while we're in the White House here and just
seeing that tiny oval office, which I was surprised at
how small that was. And then when Harrison Ford or

(52:29):
sorry Thunderbolt Ross brings up the idea of restarting the Avengers,
I'm just like, who would you get who would you
put on this? And I know that they're leaning towards
a young Avengers with all of these kids like Hawkeyes,
Mentee and some of these other like to Wanda's two
imaginary kids who are now real at least one of

(52:50):
them is. And then there's also hints of the Thunderbolts.
But the Thunderbolts. Here's how memorable the Thunderbolts are. We're
watching the trailer for it, and it's just, Okay, I
recognize Florence Pugh, and I recognize Sebastian.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Stan but you know David Harsh, David Harber.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
She knows David Harber. But then she's just who are
the rest?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Russell?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I go, yeah, that's why at Russell she's well was he?
And I was like, who is in Falcon in the
Winter Soldier? Who was he?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Wasn't he like fake captain? And I forget what he was?
He was like US Agent USA John Walker.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
But then she barely remembered ghost being really remember. And
then she was like, and I kept bringing up task Master.
She's like, who's task Master? Black Widow? Black Widow? Han
you've seen black Widow?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, the girl with the fucked up face.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I'm like, yes, exactly, I am wondering if this is
going to be the worst, because that's just the way
we're built, because we fucking hate ourselves. Also, because here's
the other thing, what is this now? Like the fifth
fucking superhero thing we've watched together in a row, is
what it feels like for Man, like Craven and this

(54:03):
and then Deadpool and Wolverine last year, like we cover Venom,
Like everything that's new feels like a superhero thing, and
it's exhausting because none of them have been very good.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
If it's not that it's a legacy sequel, because we
also talk about Beetle Jews and the Axel fh.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Those things end up being more okay than this. God
I wish for Beetle Jew Jesus, at least that movie
was halfway charming. This movie doesn't even want to be charming.
I won't say it almost feels like it's throwing its
hands up and giving up immediately. But in a lot
of ways, by copying Winter Soldier, it almost does feel
like it's just throwing its hands up and saying, we

(54:39):
don't know what to do, so we'll just do the
greatest hits of Captain America.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
It is a shame because I really think Anathing Macky
deserved better.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Oh my god, such a good but Jane carlows Posito
deserves to be in a movie for more than three scenes.
Same with Karl Lumbley sing with every actor in this
movie really, or even being cut out of your goddamn
film like seth Rollins, or having your role diminished like
Live Tyler.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I just feel so bad for gian Carlos. I'm glad
for his bank account now, but he has been playing
this mysterious other asshole type guy that shows up in
multiple things, like he showed up as Darth whoever the
hell in The Mandalorian, and then of course his role
in The Boys, where he's basically doing the same thing.

(55:23):
I'm just like, oh my god, you can do other things, Gihn,
Carlo Esposito, you don't need to be this complete asshole
like Mayor Cicero and Megalopolis. It's just please just do
something else. You can do other things, Gideon, that's what's Gideon.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Wow, Yeah, you're right. I don't feel bad for his
bank account, but in terms of critically feels like a
waste of time.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I read a news story the other day at one point,
because we've got the whole thing of sanm Stearn's at
the end with that useless end credit sequence.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Oh no, it's not useless though, because it's setting up
everything else. Mike, you know that as well as I do.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Because he just goes the others are coming, because that's
very specific. So that could be anybody that you wanted
to hate. There were two things. One was that Julius
Onus said that it might have been the Illuminati, which
is that? So for me, the Illuminati are Reid Richards,

(56:23):
Stephen Strange, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers, and those are
the guys going back to Planet Hulk. They're the ones
that shot Hulk into space. So I'm like, okay, those
are the Illuminati. But now they're calling that big council
that showed up in Doctor Strange Multiverse a madness with
Charles Xavier and Thunderbolt. Oh sorry, I said Steve Rogers.

(56:47):
I meant Thunderbolt. Sorry about that. Thunderbolt is part of
that Illuminati, and then Thunderbolt is part of that Doctor
Strange illuminati as well.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Mike actually means black Bolt as played singularly by Anson
Mount in the Inhuman's TV series and Doctor Strange Multiverse
of Madness, Monica Rambo Haley atwell as Captain America.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Well that's right, Captain Britain.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Captain America, Yeah, Captain whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
So it's like all of those people, So I'm like,
And then there's another claim that it would have been
a group of heroes from other worlds, like the multiverse
version of them. Again going back to what If, Remember
there was that I can't remember which episode of What
If it was, whereas all of those different versions of
heroes all coming together, and I think again the end

(57:38):
of the first season, Yeah, that was also your Captain
Britain coming in there as well. She was the best
part of that. You started off the series with her
and you ended that season with her. She's fucking phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
You know what the others are, right, The others is
fucking Doctor Doom.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
One guy is now the other.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I don't know. The others are either Doctor Do and
whatever he's bringing, or maybe the Fantastic Four. But the
Fantastic Four have Galactus in that movie. Ralph Nison plays
Galactus in the movie, so we know he's gonna be there.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I'm just glad it's not a big cloud again. The
Big Cloud both Fantastic Four and that stupid fucking Green
Lantern movie. Again, Big fucking Cloud.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Green Lantern was big Space to video. This Captain America
movie is better than I expected it to be, but
again I can't in good content still someone to go
see it because it does feel like a TV movie
in a lot of ways. It feels like the closest
we could get to a TV movie. That this movie
had come out during the pandemic, you would have put
it on streaming and nobody would have said it. Fucking
word is more of what this is like. That's probably

(58:44):
a better way to compare it now is would this
have come out on streaming during the pandemic? Yes, this
would have been dumped on streaming during the pandemic, just
like Black Widow was. It reminds me of Black Widow.
Black Widow is a much more charming movie. I think
Black Widow will get reappraised later on as being a
little better than people expected, and I think that's because
the pandemic didn't help that movie. That movie didn't help

(59:05):
that movie because a lot of that movie's previs like
prevised to hell, but I still enjoyed it. Black Widow
is a better movie, and it is a better spy
thriller than this movie is because this movie's also trying
to do some of the spy thriller stuff, and that
movie Black Widow's not doing any of the Hulk stuff,
which is unequivocally this movie's weakest part because it feels

(59:26):
the most tacked on.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The thing about the Black Widow movie. You barely remember
who the villain was in that movie.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Guy from Indiana Jones, Ray Winstone. Im say, but.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Really, that whole movie is all about the family relationship.
It's all about what's going on between Natasha and her
a strange sister, and parents and just that whole thing.
And I think that's why that movie succeeds is because
of those characters in that family relationship. It's almost like
they weren't able to give Sam. I think if they

(59:59):
had really stuck more with Kim and his new protege
and then Isaiah Bradley and somehow worked around them, but
it just feels like they stepped in so many other
holes along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I honestly think if it had been just the three
of them together on screen. It's been a great movie,
like the chemistry Young Bucks and the old guy. Oh
my god, Yes, that scene with them in the car
is the best part of this entire movie. And everybody
who made this movie probably realizes it too, because those
scenes between the three of them is when the movie
really sings, like it's really hitting a high note. It

(01:00:33):
leaves a very high water mark that the movie never
gets back to. That's why I think we both said it.
Our first act of this movie is the best that
this movie ever gets. Beyond that, the second act is
just soldier, and then the third act is not good.
The third act is the worst part of this movie,
without a doubt, and that is the Red Hulk part.
It's not that it's not entertaining, it's just consequential. Maybe

(01:00:56):
I'll eat my words, Thunderbolts will come out, and he'll
be in the movie. I just don't see it. Harrison
Ford doesn't strike me as he's coming back for anything.
Maybe he will. I guess they don't really ever need
him again. Red Hulk could just show up without him.
It's like an Indiana Jones video game thing. He doesn't
even talk anyways. You have a CGI Harrison Ford running around.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It's no Joe fix It or anything. Yeah he doesn't
speak English.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yeah, yeah, he just runs around. I guess they have
the best of all. Did they ever need to recast him?
It could have just added William Hurt turned into Red
Hulk off screen. Have a William Hurt Red Hulk running around?
And would that have been offensive to people to have
William Hurt's visage on a CGI Red Hulk running around.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I still say they should have got Sam Elliott back.
That would have been way better.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Sometimes the bar eats you. Yeah, that's the other thing
that took away the mustache. Fuck you, The Red Hulk
needs a mustache, assholes, you cowerds. The Red Hulk had
a mustache in the comics. Wasn't all the time, but
he did have a mustache. MCU is less of or
more afraid than Sony is because in that Sony Venom movie,
we got sheh Venom Like in the first Goddamn movie.

(01:02:07):
This movie is just a lot of safe choices and
the MCU not having a good time right now. This
movie had a second weekend drop off pretty bad and
not something that Disney wants to see. Not something that
they're used to with their movies not being financially successful
and making lots of money. They're not used to this,
and they need to turn it around, like they need

(01:02:29):
to recapitalize on the interest and goodwill that they got
out of that Robert Towny Junior announcement last year, because
I think they've lost a lot of it, Like Deadpool Wolverine.
They have clearly lost a lot because this movie's second
weekend did not hit as well as the first weekend,
and it had a substantial and noticeable drop off on
the second weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, you're very right as far as maybe this should
have just landed on streaming. I think it's way better
than that piece of shit Section thirty one movie that
just dropped down streaming, which was supposed to be a movie,
then's supposed to be a TV show and then ended
up being a TV movie that just felt like a
really shitty pilot for a TV show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
This feels like, in a lot of ways, again, a
TV movie that you said it yourself, like the characters
are from a TV show, Like in a lot of ways,
this is a sequel to that TV show. Because it's
a streaming TV show, they aren't streaming movies. I know
what it is. It's a compensation thing. It's all about
how they're compensated. I'm not saying actors shouldn't be compensated.

(01:03:31):
If we can't figure out how to compensate them through streaming,
then there needs to be better Again, I'm reaching the
choir here. I'm sure everybody in the industry is yeah,
no shit, asshole. But sometimes some of these movies don't
necessarily need to come out in theaters, is what I'm saying.
And this is one of those movies. And given how
expensive it is to see movies now, I can't in
good conscience even say if you're gonna go see a
Marvel movie this year, it might have to be Fantastic

(01:03:54):
because that might be the one that's of the most consequence.
I feel again, just to close this episode out Underbolts,
I don't know how much consequence that movie's gonna end
up having, but Fantastic four almost has to have consequence
to it, like it's being set up to be the
most consequential of the three movies. So I'm wondering if
at the end of our Thunderbolts review, we're not gonna
go this kind of feels like Captain America, where it's

(01:04:15):
rather inconsequential. Maybe there will be some big surprise at
the end of Thunderbolts. There have been speculations that Thunderbolts
has some sort of who is setting this up? And
why is all this happening? Is one of the big answers, Right,
is it Norman Osborne? Is it? Who could be Willem Dafoe.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
We've been seeing that Julie Louis Dreyfus character for years now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, so I don't know. But Fantastic Four we know
will be of consequence because they're gonna be part of
Avengers dooms Day because Doctor Doom is their red skull.
And it's been made clear to us that Tony Stark's
actor Robert Donney Junior's playing Doctor Doom. We don't know
how or through which vehicle he will become Doctor Doom,
or if we we'll see him become Doctor doomer just

(01:05:00):
shows up as Doctor Doom. But I feel like the
needle's going to be moved more and Fantastic more than
in any of these other movies. And boy, it's really
disappointing that this movie more or less reaffirms the fact that, yeah,
it doesn't really need to exist, and if it doesn't
need to be a big budget release, Imagine if this
was a TV show. Imagine if this was just a

(01:05:20):
TV mini series, Like, why did they not just do that?
They already did it once, let's just do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, in that way too, you could have introduced the
whole idea of Thunderbolt Ross and his ascension to power
and just all of the problems he's ever had with
the Avengers and with Sam and really stretched that storyline
out and really started to tease the whole thing of
him being this odd that he has something to hide.

(01:05:48):
He does talk about having to lose the mustache, and
there's some line here where it's just if they knew
that I have nothing to hide, I think, is what
he was saying. And there's even like the whole idea
was the President commise And you might think, if you
hadn't seen the trailer, that maybe Stearns had something on

(01:06:08):
Thunderbolt Ross and that he was going to use him
as a pawn for something, and the whole thing of oh,
if they start playing that mister Blue song, He's going
to suddenly turn into a Manchurion candidate. That could have
been something that would have been a really nice red herring,
But instead just having that phone call and having him
start to hulk out on the ship and stuff. I'm like,

(01:06:29):
don't even do that, don't do that thing. Just keep
this a secret. But they had to let it out,
let it out in the trailers, and they had let
it out in the movie way too early as well.
And the only thing I can see that this movie
is going to have consequence on is that now suddenly,
oh fuck, don't even ask me what Circe whatever the

(01:06:51):
mean character from Eternals was. I guess when she turned
the celestial into metal that she somehow turned him into adamantium,
because that's the only thing from here is that we
now have adamantium, which now can lead us in my
wife's how did Wolverine get his hands on that or claws?

(01:07:12):
And I was like, Striker works for the government, and
I guess maybe, like it must have been the US government,
but I always think it's the Canadian government because of
Logan being Canadian.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
But it takes place at that lake yet.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
And so I'm like, Striker's part of the whole mechanism.
He can get his hands on this stuff. And again,
they barely talk about the adamantium. They're just like, yeah,
it's stuff for the vibranium ha, and like it becomes
the mcguffin of this movie. And I was like, Oh,
that's going to become huge, Like adamantium fuels this universe.
Like for me, vibranium was the new thing when they

(01:07:46):
introduced it into the Marvel Cinematic universe. I was like,
I guess I heard of that in the comics, but
I really heard about aimantium, and I thought that Cat
America's shield was made out of antim antium, and that's where,
of course Wolverine's bones are filled with that. So I'm like,
that is our entree into the X Men again. We
had Beast at the end of the Marvels, and now

(01:08:08):
we've got adamantium.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
That is the thing. You're right, and I guess we
should have mentioned it. But at the same time, you
know what it reminds me of to go back to Ultron.
You mentioned it before, and I feel like we're just
piling on this movie and we tend to not be
super negative, but with a lot of new stuff. It's
hard to be super positive because again, it just doesn't
feel like it's being well thought out and well made. Again,
I feel like if you listen to this, you're like,

(01:08:31):
these guys are being overly negative. Again, go watch the movie.
It's not our fault that the movie is doing this
and sitting and spinning its wheels. But I think yet, God,
just to your point before with Ultron, they're in Ultron.
That's where they mentioned Wakanda, and then you mentioned Ulysses
claw out of hand, and then we'll get back to this.

(01:08:53):
That's what it feels like with Adamantium. It's one line, essentially,
one or two lines, like we found it adamantium. It's strong,
good and vibranium. Okay, and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
When we needed somebody. Maybe that's your end scene, is
somebody coming to the new president and saying, mister President,
I know you're asking for ideas of what we can
use adamantium for. Let me tell you about this idea
I have called weapon X. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Would it have been do on the nose to do?

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
I kind of wish that I wasn't smarter than these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Sometimes that's the thing you're not because the movie knows
that you know what adamantium is, because otherwise they wouldn't
have mentioned it. They know that the audience is smart
enough to know what adam antium is, and that's the problem.
So they know the audience isn't dumb, So why aren't
they assuming that the audience is just smart. I don't

(01:09:48):
get it. Like you mentioned adam antium, then, like you said,
go into it, do something with it. Don't just go
adam antium, wakanda vibranium, don't hang a lantern. Please go
more into detail, give us, give us something more than
just the setup. Eventually, because that was Kang Eventually, fucking

(01:10:12):
christ Vet, your goddamn actors, Marvel just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
The way he was introduced at the end of that
first season a Loki, where it's just this is the
most boring thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
It was a unfortunate thing to happen that your actor
is not a great person. And maybe that's why these
movies have all suffered, But it's partially the reason some
of the things have suffered. It's not the reason a
lot of these things have been bad. These have been
the same issues that we've been talking about with a
lot of new film, which is just creatively bankrupt filmmaking.

(01:10:45):
And I don't know who these films are being made
for anymore, because it doesn't feel like they're being made
for me and you, because to your point, we're not
that smart a comic book readers like I haven't really
picked up a comic book in years, other than to
go reequate myself with stuff, to watch an EMC movie
or to talk about it. But I'm not sitting and
reading Marvel every week, and I know there are plenty

(01:11:05):
of people that are. Those are the people that these
movies are alienating more than us. They're the ones who
are looking at these movies and going, why would I
even be involved? These movies are being made for the mainstream,
but the mainstream knows what Adam, Me and DM is.
If you're gonna mention it in your movie, come.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
On, very curious to see where we go from here.
I'll be there first weekend for Thunderbolts. Hopefully the power
stays on. It will be closer to the summer, so
no snow hanging out on the lines. I hope it
was so weird what was on and what wasn't at
the movie theater. There's an emergency light that came on
in the theater, and then I go in the bathroom

(01:11:42):
an you like the little magic eye for the urinal
that was still working. Of all the useless power things
right now, like all of the auto flushers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Are still piss. You can still you know, in a
universe where EMPs have happened, you can still piss.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
You can piss, but you can't try your hands because
those dryers were not on the same circuit. So fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I will go and see Fantastic Four in the theaters.
I'm not sure Thunderbolts is gonna get me out of
my house because again, unfortunately, as much as I love
Florence Pugh, I just don't see it having a long
term consequence on the storytelling of the MCU. And right
now I want to see what the broad strokes are
because we're barreling towards Avengers and that's like broad strokes

(01:12:26):
the movie. And man, I'm there's so much concern here
for me because I'm just like, if this is what
we're leading into the Avengers with the lead into the
last Avenger stuff was pretty strong. The lead into these
Avengers movies. What in God's name are we gonna get
because I know with the King Dynasty, they were like,
we're gonna bring back Nick Cage as Johnny wasn't Johnny

(01:12:47):
storm As whatever the hell his name is, the gohot yea.
Toby Maguire was gonna come back as Spider. They were
gonna like really cast the net wide for the multiverse
of it all, and they very well still probably are
going to. I know they will.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
They could do that so easily though, for Secret Wars
when they finally get to that, because they could have
the Beyond or just say I'm grabbing the best heroes
from all of these different universes rather than somehow doing
some sort of multiverse thing when we were just finally
getting done with the multiverse.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
But it's coming back in a big way. Baby. The
Fantastic Four movie, they're in a multiverse. They've already more
or less spoiled. That movie doesn't take place on Earth
six one six. I wish it was six sixty six.
I wish that the Fantastic Four were part of this
to begin with, because this is too big of a
retcon at this point, Galactus, so Fantastic Four end up

(01:13:46):
in our mcu somehow clearly again, like, that's not me
spoiling it, that's them showing us the mechanism that we're
gonna be working with here. It's almost like Infinity War,
we knew it was gonna have time traveling it. There's
no way to fix it otherwise. They've made it very
clear going into the movie, like it has to be
time travel, so Fantastic four has to be multiverse hopping.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It scares me too, because there are one, two, three, four, five,
six seven writers on that. And it's that's not even
counting Kirby and that did co for that one. That
was Lee and Kirby, wasn't it that did that one? Yeah,
but it's yeah, guys, there's a lot of writers on that.
There are a lot of writers on this as well.
And there's a lot of writers on Thunderbolts too. It's okay,

(01:14:31):
there's one two, Oh, I guess just three poor Legion
Lee song Jen's name was breaking, so I thought it
was two people at first. So only three writers on that.
So we'll see how that one goes well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
And Avengers Doomsday and Avengers Secret War are being written
by half of the writing team of Infinity Warn endgame.
I don't know, maybe doomsday, you know what Doomsday. They're
just gonna go, oh god, I'm calling it now, Okay,
can I call it out? It's gonna be Doctor Doom's movie, right,
like it's gonna be oh my god, it's gonna be

(01:15:05):
a Robert Donny junior thing. The whole movie, right, the
whole movie old movie is just gonna be a Robert
Downey junior thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Do you think it's gonna be him as both Iron
Man and Doctor Doom, like him fighting himself and then
he can make remarks about his outfits. Green is not
your color.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Here is my prediction, and this is a me predicting this,
and maybe I'll be right, maybe I'll be wrong, but
this is my theory. Doctor Doom in this movie and
in this universe is just gonna be Tony Stark. Doctor
Doom is just gonna be Tony. He's literally Tony Stark,
like literally Tony Stark. Like it's just another multi verse

(01:15:43):
version of Tony Stark. That's a bad guy, because Doctor
Doom is a rich fucking guy like he's Doctor Duoma
is just in verse of Tony Stark.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Tony Stark created Ultron We forget about that stuff. Like
in this universe it created Ultron, he wanted to what
was it wrap the Earth and suit of armor, and
he was essentially the bad guy for good reasons in
Civil War. This is not that big of a stretch
of the imagination that, yeah, there's another Tony Stark, had

(01:16:12):
he just gone a little bit more to one side
or the other, could just walk right into Doctor Doom's shoes.
Like the whole thing of him wearing a mask is
going to be because of a scar in his face
and this incredible vanity that he has. Maybe it is
I don't know, but I think it's just going to
be more like, oh, I need face protection or something
like that, and then that's going to be the big

(01:16:32):
reveal when he takes off that mask.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Or maybe they don't know that it's Tony Stark. Literally,
what if it's just like that universe doesn't realize that
the big villain is Tony Stark, that the billionaire philanthropist
is actually a villain too, like you have Bruce Wayne's Batman.
Could a rich guy not just a look Lex Luthor
is a villain, but he's also super rich and everybody

(01:16:56):
knows who he is but he's also a villain. So
that's what it's going to be. If you ask me.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they're going to do something more
creative than that. But when I saw that they were
casting Robert Downey Junr. My mind goes to invers of
iron Man and you've got doctor Doom in a lot
of ways. And if you want someone to move the
needle and the needle's not being moved anymore. Bringing Robert

(01:17:17):
Downey Junior back pretty big thing to do. They got
a big pop, as they would say in the wrestling
industry from that sustained though I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I can just hear our DJ ripping on the name
selection doctor Doom. It's a little too on the nose
or whatever. And like my alias was Victor von Doom,
and then I went with doctor Doom. Nobody could tell
that it was me or something like. It never made sense.
Your name is von Doom and now you're a doctor Doom. Okay.

(01:17:46):
I didn't go to Doom medical school for four years
just to be called mister Doom, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I want there to be some fun with where they
go with this, and again I think what we will
be seeing with Avengers Doom Day is going to become
imminently more obvious after Fantastic four Thunderbolts. Maybe Thunderbolts will
Thunderbolts is the end of Phase five. This is the
second to last movie in Phase five. Phase four and
Phase five have been pretty all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
And that's the thing is, I don't even feel these
phases right now. It just feels like it's all just
been I will grant that Phase four ends with Spider
Man far from Home because that's where it feels like
it naturally ends after endgame, but then from Black Widow
on it's just Hello, We're all over the map and
we have characters that keep dropping out because don't forget

(01:18:34):
that the guy that played Shang Shei also wants nothing
to do with coming back and playing Shang Shei. And
I'm just like, is the check not big enough? Like
you having problems with this? But okay, yeah that's your choice, man,
We will recast. Do not worry next time day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah. There's been no cohesive thought or idea to any
of this. And what's crazy is like there is one
name in thats a lot through all this, Kevin Feigy,
And maybe he's just giving it up a little bit.
I don't know, like the quality of everything through Phase
four to the beginning of Phase four has been quite good,

(01:19:13):
and then Phase four on is just rough and this
isn't all. This is us looking back on it, like, Nah,
these movies were considered rough for the most part when
they came out, and Phase five even more so. Quantum Mania,
Guardians of the Galaxy, Marvels, Deadpool, Wolverine, Captain America, and Thunderbolts. Wow,

(01:19:33):
what a mix of things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, other than Black Widow, Shangshi, Spiderman, No Way Home,
some of the Doctor Strange in the Multiverse. I still
just I love Raimi's directions so much, But at the
same time, I'm just like, this story really doesn't make
any sense as far as her looking for these kids
and tearing apart the universe. I'm like, I'm sure there's

(01:19:57):
another multiverse that has these two kids in it. Just
go for it, find those kids, and this whole movie
could be over within five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Another movie that almost could have been a TV show,
like a TV movie. This should have been the second
season of Captain America or Hawkey and Falcon and Winter
Soldier whatever. They would have called this Captain America and
Falcon Hawke and Trapper. I'm glad we sit down to
do these MCU things. It's been almost a year as
May of last year we did dead Pool Wolverine, so

(01:20:26):
that's been a long time since we talked about new
MCU stuff. We got two more coming up in quick
secession in May and then July, and then we have
to wait almost another year for The Big Boy. I'm curious,
not hopeful, because this was not a great opening salvo
for the first of the three movies we're getting this year,
especially after it went three movies in a year, because

(01:20:50):
that's Phase five. Guys, it's been They loaded us up good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Until we come back in May to talk about Thunderbolts.
Asterisk Chris, what are you working on these days?

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
I am working on movie podcasts and other pop culture
audio diversions over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com, where my show
The Culturecast can be found, Father Malone show Midnight Viewing
can be found, where Susan Lambert and Sharon Johnson's show
ADCV Ladies can be found. A great shows can be found.
All the shows with the people that we work with
and work on for the most part can be found

(01:21:22):
at weirdingmaymedia dot com. So that's where other than ranking
on Bond, which can be found on Patreon yours and mine, respectively,
patreon dot com slash Culturecast and patreon dot com slash
Projection moth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Well, I want to thank Chris for joining me today,
and I want to thank everybody for listening. I would
definitely encourage everybody to go over to those patreons and
make a donation to be part of the community until
we get to ultimate power and twelve million downloads a month. Chris,
We're going to be fighting the good fight. But after
that the Projection Booth and the Culture Cast will take

(01:21:55):
over the world.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
Our guardians stall.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Staralis Glue.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
The day that I lost you, he lost dollish glitter
the day you said and his silver turned to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Blue like him.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
I am doubtful that your love is true.

Speaker 6 (01:22:23):
But if you decide to call.

Speaker 7 (01:22:26):
Me as fornas ster Blue, mister Blue, love love.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
When you say you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
Love me me, Stub.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Then prove it by going on on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
The side proven your love. Listen truth, call me Sti,
mister blue long.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
When you say you're sorry, st Blue, then turn around.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Heading for the lights.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
Of down heard me through and.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
Call me ster. I stay at home at night by
the phone at night.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Ride ye all.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
And I call me mister.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
I won't tell you while you paint for the time
me Stu blue, all right, read to turn it upside down.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
I'm painting it to but I'm mad. Iglue. Call me
mist to do long long, call me mister, long long
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