Charlie Kirk & Media Fallout! WrestleMania to Saudi Arabia | Wrestling with the Topics 9/13/25 - The RCWR Show with Lee Sanders

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Hey, everybody, what's going on? Leam Tammy Sanders with you guys.
You all are checking out an all new edition of
Wrestling with the topics for this weekend of September thirteenth,
twenty twenty five. I'm Leah as always and she is
the beautiful to love. Lee Tammy. Hello, I hope you

(01:17):
guys been having a fantastic weekend so far. Good god,
oh Mundy a lot to get into on this loaded
loaded edition. Promise we ain't gonna be long winded because
we do recognize that at the time that we're recording
this right now, it is Saturday night, and the mood

(01:38):
is right. We ain't talking about no TGIF. Although I
do miss those days, I got it a bit. But yeah,
I think there's a lot of interesting things that's going
on this weekend. I know, if you are a MMA fan,
boxing fan, there's definitely some events that's going on this weekend.

(01:59):
I know, bwe had did the World's Collide event yesterday.
I did watch ninety percent of that event. I'm not
gonna be talking about it here on this show. So
if you guys are looking for me to talk about
it here on this show, yeah, nah, Sorry, you're gonna
be disappointed. You want to tune into Monday because that
just wouldn't be fair to Tams because she hasn't even Yeah,

(02:23):
you haven't even watched any of the WWE Triple Mania
shows yet, right. I think maybe I might have loosely
told you about some of them, but you haven't.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Actually haven't really seen a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You haven't even Yeah, to my knowledge, you haven't even
walked in and watched and seen me watch any of
those things, not toge yeah yeah, yeah, so that wouldn't
be fair to Tams. But besides that, we definitely got
a loaded up show for you guys. We're definitely gonna
be going a little bit all over the place. It's
gonna be some pretty heavy shit that we're gonna be
getting into on this edition. And now I do want

(03:01):
to toss you guys a little bit of a bone
when it comes to wrestling related stuff. We will be
talking about. Hate to told you so. I mean, we're
seeing all this selective outrage that's going on with WWE
announcing this blockbuster deal with Saudi Arabia for WrestleMania. Hate
to tell you so ooh say it isn't so it

(03:25):
isn't so oh say it isn't so oh no No,
But we told you guys like some years back, and
we're not just saying that just to be sucking our own,
you know, but legit, we told you here on this
specific series that we could see a foreseeable future where
Saudi Arabia was gonna get a WrestleMania joint. And then

(03:47):
TAM's even doubled down on it, like a couple of
weeks ago. I think, if anything, matter of fact, we
even said, Yo, the idea of WWE doing a Saudi
WrestleMania show for Saudi Arabia and then coming back to
North America to do an American WrestleMania, what do you think?

(04:11):
And I think to that idea, you were like, ah,
I'm not really sure about that one.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, I wasn't sure to be clear in reference to
if there was a if they were going to essentially
do two, and pretty much was definitely like, no, it's
definitely not going to be two. But in reference to
specifics of whether or not they would have a WrestleMania

(04:38):
and Saudi Arabia, I did not touch on.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You did not touch on it, okay, And I'm so
glad you guys cannot see me right now because I
just realized that I am in front of I am
in front of my webcam, and I just realized my
webcam is on and I'm able to see myself and

(05:02):
it's like, oh, you guys can't see me, which is
good because I have a really funny shirt on that
I should not be wearing right now. That's all I'm
gonna say to you guys. That's all I'm gonna say
to you guys. But let's get into this because I'm
salivating at the bit and everything. So let's go at

(05:27):
it hard by now. Unless you've been living under a
rock this whole shit that's been going on with Charlie Kirk,
I have been paying very close attention to this, and
I got to tell you when I was in my classes,
particularly for this week, and I'm at a prestigious university,

(05:54):
I was expecting for my professors to talk about this
in some form, particularly in my journalism classes, because one
of my journalism classes has to do with roles etiquettes,
you know, ethics, structures, all to that, right, really understanding

(06:16):
the role that journalists play, or that at least they're
supposed to play in this respected industry and all that.
And none of them would touch touch this subject. None
of them would touch this subject. I remember telling TAM's
about this, and you know, loosely, I kind of came

(06:39):
to the conclusion of, well, maybe they're just waiting for
more information to come out, and you know, maybe this
is an area they just want to tread lightly on
because they're not trying to say something that could essentially
be weaponized and used against them, and then the next
thing you know, they are screwed out of a job.

(07:02):
Because we have seen so many instances now where there
are people that have been losing their jobs for taking
to social media and saying something along the lines of
gay glad that this individual is dead, or hey, they
got what was coming to them, or we are talking

(07:24):
teachers that have lost their jobs this week. It has
even impacted the NFL. I don't know which team it is,
so I don't want to misquote with the team, but
there was a communications manager from the NFL tied into
public relations. He lost his job because he publicly had
set some stuff on Instagram about this whole Charlie Kirk

(07:48):
situation and all of that. But this is very multi
layered because it goes beyond Charlie Kirk and this guy
whole assassination. It goes beyond that. So first things first,
let's really get you guys caught up to speed, and

(08:09):
let's tackle all this Charlie Kirk and we'll eventually come
back to the whole media stuff. I promise you guys,
right because because media definitely played a huge huge role
in this, and if you're like me or you know
somebody that's aspiring to be involved in the journalism industry

(08:34):
and all that, you know, you just can't help but
look at this and go, man, these are some weird,
weird times that we're in right now because you look
at all of this craziness that's going on, and it
kind of follows up on what some of my professors
have been telling me, which is it's yeah, it's definitely

(08:55):
a polarizing time right now for the industry of journalism.
It really really is. And at the same time, you know,
one of my professors was very, very honest in regards
to the profession. He said, look, the pay isn't quite

(09:15):
what it used to be. Like it's good, but the
pay isn't quite what it used to be. And furthermore,
you are away from your family a lot, so as
far as you know, birthdays, weddings, you know, trying to
be there for somebody's funeral or you know, there's a

(09:36):
lot of that that you're gonna be missing out on.
So you really have to decide if this is something
that you really want to get into, and then all
the risk that comes with it in everything, and did
it intimidate me in any type of way? Did I

(09:57):
learn something that I didn't I learn about before when
my professor was saying all of this stuff. No, not
by any stretch. So if you were to ask me,
you know, okay, so do you still wanna Yeah, No,
I'm still very very interested in pursuing this when it's
all said and done. So timeline key facts, right, nothing

(10:23):
but the facts that we're gonna do here, all right. So,
Charlie Kirk was the founder of Turning Point USA, of
which he was the co founder and leader and conservative
youth activism. And what this man was doing was he
was going on various campuses all across North America, and

(10:48):
he was it was a nice little setup. He basically
would have a little tent area middle of a lawn
or whatever, and he would welcome the youth to come
on by and he would have conversations with them, right
political conversations with him. He would even get into debates.

(11:11):
He would welcome debates, and he was pretty civil well
when it would come to the debates. And when it
was all said and done, what he was trying to
accomplish was getting the youth to hey, look, we need you.
You're very important. You help shape the future of this country.

(11:31):
We need you to get out there, We need you
to go and vote. And he was able to tap
into this as he played a very vital role in
helping President Trump win this past election. This man very

(11:52):
very close to the Trump family, particularly Donald Trump Junior,
and right down to the point, you know, Junior when
he released comments TAM's about Kirk's death, you know, he
pretty much let it be know, he looked at him

(12:12):
as a little brother, you know. So this was definitely
you know, it wasn't one of those cases where oh
they're just playing foots ee, they're just saying this just
to be nice. They're just saying this to no, no, no,
This was pretty impactful, right, Charlie Kirk very big and

(12:35):
conservative youth activism, Big Presence Campus Organizing hosted a show
in more recent years, and not for nothing, was doing
pretty damn good on the downloads, averaging anywhere between five
hundred thousand to seven hundred and fifty thousand downloads. At

(12:59):
least that's the most recent data as of last year.
There's no telling what he was doing so far in
twenty twenty five, Utah Valley University. He was speaking at
a event under his American Comeback tour, answering a question

(13:20):
from a student, do you know how many mass shooters
there have been in America over the last ten years?
And what would be his final response before being shot
was counting or not counting gang violence? I saw the

(13:40):
video and question in a way I came across it.
I'm not sure how many of you came across it.
I'm not sure, and I pray to God that for
those of you that are parents. I know a lot
of you are parents out there. I always hear back
from you, guys, how a lot of you are. You know,
not only did you grow up listening to me, but
now have kids of your own. And I always put

(14:02):
a smile on my face, but I'm really praying and
hoping that your kids were not on social media and
they came across this. Because TAM's apparently meta, you know
which owns Facebook, Instagram for those of you that don't
know TikTok Twitter. They all came under great scrutiny because

(14:24):
of how easy it was to come across this video.
So even with the age restrictions, even with whatever you
can think about this video of this man's assassination. Even
if you were not looking for it, you were going
to come across it within your respected timelines, because that's

(14:45):
how easy it was to come across this sensitive, sensitive footage.
And I got to tell you, and all my years
of walking God's Green Earth, I've seen a lot of
fucked up stuff. Okay. I have seen the hanging of

(15:09):
Sudam Hussein. I've seen the stuff with Pablo Escobar when
he got taken out. I remember there was some something
went down in the seventies. I can't think who it
was exactly, but and no it wasn't Robert Kennedy or
Bobby Kennedy, but there was something that had went down

(15:31):
in the seventies where I don't know if it was
a killer or somebody, but this guy just walked up
shot the person just right there. It was here in America, right.
I always tell you guys, I'm always watching the ID channel.
You know, I'm always watching Didley Women. I'm always watching
this hit. On another level, for me, it really really

(15:54):
messed my psyche up big time when I watched this.
And maybe because it was a case where the vulnerability,
I think if I were to really because now I've
had a couple of days to really process and everything,
cause I went numb for a couple of days after
I saw that footage. I could not get the visuals
out of my head. And I think, when it's all

(16:15):
said and done, just the fact that here was an individual,
regardless of your political affiliation, here was an individual that
was just on a campus. And you know, it's not
like he was by himself. He had his own security detailed,

(16:36):
which we're in playing clothes. They've been with him for
years doing this type of stuff, and they were working
in conjunction with the local campus security that was there
and all of that. But you know, if you learn
anything about me, if you know anything about me over
the years of listening to this show, I do have

(16:56):
a security background, and I'm always looking can add, okay,
what's going on with this setup? If something weird were
to happen, not just where the exits are, but like
where's cameras where specifically you know you're gonna do something
like this outdoors? Where do you want to have the
most protection? Where are you most vulnerable. I'm always thinking

(17:19):
about stuff like that. This guy was too fucking out
in the open. He was too fucking out in the open.
Once I saw the blueprint before it was even I'm like, yo,
he was too out in the open. That was That
was my first initial, like when I saw how everything
went down. But to see that single shot into the neck,

(17:45):
I've never seen anything like it before. I probably won't
see anything like it after. I pray that I don't
transported to the hospital. Pronounced it it shortly after. Now
after the shooting, public reactions was immedia, both from Republicans
and Democrats, condemning the violence. Media and public figures began

(18:09):
making claims some before motive was even known. I made
my rounds all throughout the news networks because that's the
one thing that I was told actually by my professors,
especially my government professor. She told me and the rest
of the class, if you've never watched news before, and

(18:31):
I'm going to myself, not an issue for me, she goes,
start watching news now more than ever, because depending on
the topic, you know, we're going to be bringing it
up here and linking it back to our coursework. And
I'm going yes, right. But media and public figures, they've

(18:52):
been making claims some before. As I mentioned, motive was
even known. A lot of misinformation that started spreading online,
false affiliations of the shooter identity mix ups. I remember
hearing at one point some woman that's running for senator
or congressman. She said, Oh, it was it was a

(19:13):
tranny killer. Her words, not mine. Oh wow, it was
a tranny killer. And yeah, he even put a bullets,
little little tranny statements on the bullets that were And
when one of the reporters said to her, you know, oh,
are you getting information that this was like, dude was dead.

(19:33):
Dude didn't even dude didn't even hit the autopsy table
yet day that he died. She's saying this type of
rhetoric and shout out to the reporters that were challenging her.
You know, She's like, Oh no, I'm just you know,
unless you guys know something, I'm just you know, the
limited information that I was giving. I trust that you

(19:54):
guys will will report this accurate. League, you guys need
to report this accurately. You need to do your dude,
just report these accurately. And I'm just saying to myself, Lady,
if there was ever a time for you to say
no comment, this is the time. This is the place
media missteps. You look at him all over the place.

(20:15):
The biggest one to me was MSNBC's analyst Matthew Dowd,
who I've watched off and on over the years. You know,
some points, I'm not in my head going that's kind
of a good point, and then a lot of times
I'm going, dude, that's kind of whacked. Matthew Dowd saying

(20:36):
on air that Kirk's own radical rhetoric or words may
have contributed to the environment that led to his assassination
the exact quote. Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which
then lead to hateful actions. You can't stop with these

(20:58):
sort of awful thoughts and then expect that no awful
actions follow. I particularly to teach itself, you know, teach
their own, each its own, their own. As I like
to say, I use both of them. Look, person's dead,

(21:18):
read the room. You gotta be sensitive. You just gotta
be sensitive, Okay, plain and simple. You got to be sensitive.
It's not the time nor the place to really push
your personal preference out there, okay. Personal feeling, personal feelings, yes, correct,

(21:41):
personal feelings. Even if you were to jump out there
and say, hey, this is my personal opinion. Still the
many that are consuming what you're saying. You know, this
is a transactional relationship, right, Like the viewers are watching

(22:05):
this network, they're trying to be informed, they're trying to
be enlightened. They're trying to make sense of what's being
presented in front of them. If you're listening to the
radio or you're reading a newspaper, it's pretty much the
same deal. Okay. And so as a journalist, you've got

(22:26):
to learn how to definitely read the room. You really
have to do a superb job and showing great restraint. Yes, okay,
even if you are in a role where you are
being brought in as a contributor, Okay, basically you know

(22:46):
you're just coming in to talk for about you know,
five ten minutes, Okay, you're checking the mail, see see
it tomorrow, same time, like you don't want to rock
the boat and mess that money up. Okay. I don't
know about you all. I'm not saying that to say
I'm going to be scared, But at the same time,

(23:07):
I'm definitely gonna realize where my bread is buttered, and
I'm not going to get so not lacks of days ago,
but I'm not going to get so comfortable to the
point where I'm essentially pulling a Malcolm Xico, going, well,
the chicken sure did come home and the Roos didn't
they right, like, not the time, not the place. False

(23:27):
claims that Democrats blocked a moment of prayer for Kirk
in the House of Representatives, circulated on circulated, based on
selectively edited video clips. That's according to the Associated Press. Yes, yes,
some outlets and social media users falsely identified suspects or

(23:51):
claim they belonged to certain political groups. Those were later
Debunkedle's widow, Erica Kirk, released her first public remarks, vowing
to continue his work. She pledged to keep Turning Point
USA's efforts going that includes the campus tours podcast events.

(24:13):
She also expressed gratitude to law enforcement, emergency responders, and
political figures who reached out many commentators. From what I
personally watched, many commentators who had previously used harsh or
divisive rhetoric, all of a sudden they're calling for unity, prayer,

(24:39):
compassion after the assassination. That shift or appearance of it,
I mean that's something. If that's not hypocrisy at its finess,
I'm not really sure what is and I did pull
up some screenshots. You guys won't see these screenshots. I
didn't really have enough time to prepare beforehand. I apologize,

(25:00):
but you can easily find this for yourself. Elon Musk,
I'm looking at you, bud. Elon Musk said this before
it was revealed who the shooter was, which we will
talk more about in a little bit. Elon Musk saying
on his own platform Twitter, the Left is the party

(25:20):
of murder. Okay. Meanwhile, Lorne Lumer, she said this on
September tenth, they sent a trained sniper to assassinate Charlie
Kirk while he was sitting next to a table of

(25:40):
hats that said forty seven you could be next. I
hate to say it, but I have a sick feeling
we will be seeing more targeted assassination. The Left are terrorists.
She follows that up with it's time for the Trump
administration to shut down, defund, and prosecute every single leftist organization.

(26:05):
If Charlie Kirk dies from his injuries, his life cannot
be in vain. We must shut down these lunatic leftists
down once and for all. The left is a national
security threat, then once we find out who the killer
is and everything. You know. I wish I could say
three hours later. No, it was twenty four hours later.

(26:30):
This is what she says, now right, we'll keep him
out all that. Right, Watch this, Watch this, Watch this.
I'm just doing the usher joint right now, watch this,
watch this. Here you go. I don't ever want to
hear Charlie Kirk claim he is pro Trump ever again.
After this weekend, I say he has revealed himself as

(26:53):
a political opportunist and I have had a front row
seat to witness the mental gymnastic these last ten years. Lately,
Charlie has decided to behave like a chraton or charton,
claiming to be pro Trump one day, while he stabs
Trump in the back the next. Wow. TPUSA was only

(27:21):
able to thrive thanks to the generosity of President Trump.
On the one year anniversary of the assassination attempt on
Trump's life, Charlie hosted at comic Dave Smith at tpusa's
SAS conference. When Dave Smith was able to speak to
a bunch of conservative youth at an organization that claims

(27:45):
to be pro Trump. Three weeks ago, Dave Smith called
for President Trump to be impeached and removed from office
over his decision to blow up Iran's nuclear facilities. Charlie
played both sides of the Iran issue on his as
we all saw, because he wants to play to both
sides of the owl. The honorable thing to do is

(28:06):
to have a position and actually defend it to the
death instead of flip flopping. Lady, you want to talk
about flip flopping? Great, God Almighty. I mean, this is
just some of the rhetoric. And then check out New

(28:27):
York Posts. Check out New York Posts. Let's let's let's
this ties into the killer. Check out New York Posts,
New York Posts. The killer named Tyler Robinson. This is
their exclusive headline. Tyler Robinson was raised Mormon and allegedly
killed Charlie Kirk moments after influencer praise the church. And

(28:52):
I like how they showed this nice image of this
clean cut, young boy, young man. I'll give him respect,
lack of or a little bit. I mean, he's like
twenty two, but he's still a kid in my book.
But they got this clean cut, clean shaven a young
white man, you know, smile and you know, and then

(29:13):
they have another image there a juxtaposition there image of
him with his family, with his mom, his dad and
his brothers, and you know, it's got that remember that
TV show back in the day, the Hogan Family. You know,
it's kind of got that whole, little, whole little vibe

(29:33):
going on and everything almost kind of have a step
by step vibe there with Patrick Duffery and Suzanne Summers
and all that. But then when you scroll further down
on this same website, the New York Posts who I
despise with a passion, they got this image of this
black dude that apparently killed somebody, and they got this

(29:57):
mean ass looking mugshot of this black Dude's like, well,
wait a minute, wait a minute here, And I'm not
making it a racial thing. This is an interesting point
of alterization. I'm gonna wait a minute here. You just
shared with me an image of this of this guy
that killed a polarizing figure. Uh, you dare not show
a mug shot at him or anything. You you know,

(30:19):
you got him, but but but the brother you got him.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Away.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Oh shit, So let's talk a little bit about the uh,
the killer real quick. And then TAM's I'm gonna shut
up for a little bit and then and let you
just kind of marinate on all of this, and then
everybody else you all can chime in on this and everything.
But uh, with what we know about the killer again,

(30:51):
twenty two year oad James Tyler, James Robinson, he is
the suspect. Robinson himself is not a registered voter. Apparently,
he is not registered with either major major party. He

(31:16):
is nonpartisan, unaffiliated voter per official voter registration record. So
let me say that again. He is not registered with
either major party. He is a nonpartisan slash unaffiliated voter
per official voter registration records. He did not participate in

(31:38):
the twenty twenty vote, and rightfully so because he was
still like underage. But he definitely sat out of this
last election. His parents, Not that it should matter, but
if we want it just out of curiosity, his parents
are registered Republicans. There are reports again, there are reports

(32:03):
that Robinson's family are conservative in their politics and in
some references described as a Republican family or staunch Trump supporters. Now,
what we don't know right now, what remains to be
unclear is it is not confirmed that Robinson himself shares

(32:25):
his parents' party affiliation and his political activity. Being part
of a Republican family doesn't mean he voted Republican or
formerly aligns with their ideology. Obviously, the motive is still
under an investigation. While Governor Spencer Cox has said Robinson

(32:45):
had become more political in recent years and expressed negative
views toward Charlie Kirk, there's no official confirmation the killing
was strictly along party lines. Mean, while many early social
media posts and commentary amplified certain assumptions about his political

(33:06):
leanings or affiliations that have since been debunked or shown
to be miss leading. Obviously, we've made our rounds watching
the news. We've got neighbors and shout out to the father.
The father was actually the one that turned his son
in because he saw the photos, was like, you know,

(33:28):
was this You and the son pretty much came clean,
and the father essentially had did the right thing.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
And from what I heard, he actually called a friend
and a pastor. Yeah, and then all of them basically
talked to him into turning himself in.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, talk for a little bit.
So I was just setting it up for you all.
But now now that I've set it up for you all,
we all can just along with TAM's. We can really
because Tams is it's mostly like focused on work. She
knows a little bit here and there, so sometimes she
kind of is kind of like you guys that aren't
really you know, what's the full on one lead? Because
I know you're plugged in what's going So now that

(34:11):
I've plugged you all in, let's let's marinate on this.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well in reference to to me, the funny thing is,
I didn't know who Charlie kirk Kirk was until Monday,
and I was like, okay.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Well he's some influencer, you know.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I was like okay, and then all the layers started
unraveling and it was like whoa.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And then just you know, hearing the magnitude.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
For me, it is sad when anyone loses a life,
you know, because you are taking someone's father, brother, son, cousin,
you know, basically someone's family member away because of your

(35:17):
viewpoints or whatever your reasoning is. Either way, no reason
that you could ever come up with is good enough.
I don't know enough about what he has said. I
mean I could probably you know, well, well, let me

(35:40):
let me give you some of the antics.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Let me jump in. I'll help you and everybody else out.
I will help you and everybody else out. I don't
need to be long winded with this, but he has definitely,
this has since been confirmed. He basically I'm paraphrasing, but
he has said that Martha Luther King was not good. Uh,

(36:05):
that that he was bad. That's that's just you know,
for starters. And and when you look at the full
context of that, uh, you're you're kind of going, uh, well,
you know.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
But that's that's more of a viewpoint.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's it's a viewpoint, but I think it's it's a
it's a viewpoint. But at the same time, when you
have the type of a pool that he's that he has,
let's look at his And I definitely want to show
love to members of our l g B t Q

(36:51):
plush community because we do have listeners in the l
g B t Q plus community and I can just
picture them now. Lee, you you gotta mention, you gotta mention.
We got all types of listeners that check out the show.
I got you guys. He has repeatedly opposed gender affirming care,
said there were only two genders. Describe transgender or gender

(37:13):
fluent identities as lies that hurt people. He warned that
policies favoring diversity and inclusion were threatening what he described
as white majority culture. So, for example, he promoted ideas
related to the great replacement theory, suggesting that immigration policies

(37:34):
were diminishing white demographics in America. As far as the
Civil Rights Act, yeah, he has gone on record and
said that was a mistake. Oh yeah. I mean, you know,
it all ties to free speech obviously, like, hey, you're

(37:58):
allowed to say whatever you want to say. That's what
makes this country so great. But to be at this
point in time in our political climate where now it's yeah,
it's free speech, but you gotta really be careful with
what you say otherwise you're gonna catch a bullet. So

(38:18):
I didn't mean to jump in like that, but you
set it up perfectly for me. I didn't even plan
on bringing that up, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
So, I mean, one's opinion is one's opinion. Does it
make it right? No? Does it make it wrong no?
Because that's essentially one's opinion. Now it becomes a problem,

(38:45):
as you know, Lee is stating when you have such
a following, because that following is going to hang off
your every word, and then most likely pick up.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
You're basically what you're trying to say about.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
This person that person, and then maybe possibly it goes
into their beliefs. I don't agree with the things that
were said, but I don't agree that he should have
caught a bullet for it. I mean, one has a

(39:30):
difference of opinion. Maybe a couple of people have a
difference of opinion. You're not gonna go shoot the person, well,
I mean you shouldn't let me say that. You shouldn't
go basically say well, you know, this isn't what I
agree with, so let me just take this person out.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
That is.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Never the way to solve anything. It actually is bringing
more division, more hate to this whole process or this
whole process, this whole you know what's being said, you know,

(40:16):
from after his death about him, because now people are
essentially spreading their opinions again, and it's still just that opinions.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
So I'm neither here nor there in reference.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
To my opinion on who and what this person is
or what he was to you know, the mass of
his supporters, or what he was to his entire community.
I think it was a terrible thing that happened to
this man. Really did he deserve it. Nobody deserves that.

(41:05):
Nobody should one be a bit more careful about what
they say and how they say it, especially in this climate.
Oh yes, pro and con. Pro and con, because let

(41:30):
me tell you, for me, there's only there's really two
things in a conversation. I don't touch with someone I
don't know, religion and politics because they're too very sensitive

(41:51):
hot buttons for most.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
And just as I.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Wouldn't try to force my belief on someone else, I
don't want you to force your beliefs onto me, as that.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Is my opinion.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
You know, if you want to essentially say, well, here's
what I've heard, here's what I've seen with my own
two eyes, Okay, then at that point I can form
my own opinion about whatever it is. But for someone

(42:33):
to essentially have that much disdain, because in order to
do this, you must have hatred and disdain for one
said person to literally go out do everything that you
have set out to do. Buy a gun, have a gun, ammunition,

(42:56):
you know, scoping out the place.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
All of that time and preparation and skill.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
But either way, I mean, yeah, I guess he got
his wish.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
The man is silenced. But what did he really accomplish.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Really, I mean, it seems like not a whole hell
of a lot to me, besides getting his ess in jail.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Well not just that, but let's also look at the
domino effect. By this man's actions, he has now unintentionally
put his entire family in the spotlight. He has now
made them become victims of posts and possibly targets of

(43:50):
this tragedy. Like right down to the point, this family
their lives as they know it, it will never be
the same, right down to the point they may have
to try to see about not just relocating elsewhere, potentially
out of the country. They may have to try to
see if they can go under different names, not only that.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
And possibly some type of a security detail.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah yeah, so I mean their lives as they know it.
I mean it is being turned Yeah, it's being turned
upside down. Okay, like all you can do. And I
really want people to really understand this because there's let's
not forget about the victim and his family, because when
it's all said and done, there is now a family

(44:40):
that is without their father as Kirk leaves behind a
beautiful wife, too, young beautiful children. And we can feel,
however we want politically. We can feel however we want,
but we all need to agree there's a right and
or wrong way of getting your point across. And to
TAM's point, when it gets to that scenario where you

(45:03):
wish to do physical harm to somebody, that's when you
really need to take a step back and say, Okay,
you know what, I am too heavily invested in this shit.
I need to take a step back and I need
to go find something else to do. I need to
How can I turn right? How can I turn this
into a positive you know, something that will help the community,

(45:24):
something that will you know what, Man, If I'm really
feeling like that, gee, I don't know, maybe I can
try to go see what I can do at my
local community center or church. Try to see if I
can go door to door talk in the neighbors and
stress to them the importance of something that we've talked
about here on the show over the years, which is
if you want to make change, start from the bottom up.

(45:47):
That's how you do it. Make sure you're voting for
the people that have the same ideology as you. You know,
your political like, all of that, right, That's how you
fight fire with fire. You don't go well, damn my
side loss or I can't stand well, gee, I don't know.
I will just go pick up a gun or a knife,
and that's how I'll get my revenge. I'll show No,

(46:10):
that's that's that's a punk ass bitch move as far
as I'm concerned, right, that's not that's not winning with intellect,
that's not winning strategically. It's it's it's not winning at all,
you know, it's it's savagery, uh at at at best,
at best. Okay, So make no mistake about it. There's

(46:33):
a family that now has to bury their loved one,
and then you've got this other family that they did
it right. They made sure that all their children had
the opportunities that they were not provided, which included living
in a really nice neighborhood and trying to get their

(46:56):
their children the best education that's humanly possible, giving them nurturing, love, respect,
and just hoping that all of those elements alone will
be enough to have them be a functioning, contributing member
to society. And so for their child to pull a

(47:19):
one eighty no trouble with the law, like none of
that right straight a student or whatever the hell was
going on with this young man for them to find
out way my kid did that, right. I'm not trying
to sympathize or show empathy. I'm just because there's a

(47:44):
narrative when it's all said and done. Well, what I've
been watching all this week, by all the networks, I've
not heard one of them go in that direction that
I just brought up and at its core what I
believe as far as journalism goes. We were asked this
question in class this week actually the past two weeks,
but it was doubled down this week. What does journalism

(48:06):
mean to you? And I thought about that a lot,
and for me, journalism for me, it means emotional contacts.
It means accuracy, It means showing empathy, it means unbiased.

(48:28):
You know, it means enlightenment, right, but definitely trust accuracy.
Like all those areas that I just mentioned, all of
those to me, it means a great deal. And just
the way some of these media outlets went about reporting this,

(48:52):
it just made me shake my head. From ethical and
structural standpoint as far as I was concerned, this event
shows the power and the dangers of rhetoric and why
media structure, especially as far as editors fact checking, why
all of that must be carefully scrutinized misinformation that's being proliferated.

(49:20):
It shows to me how the media's drive for speed
often comes ahead of accuracy. Because we're in this day
and age especially, the worst thing that has happened to
every single news organization, be it public print, you know,
you name it. The worst thing that has happened is

(49:41):
social media because now they're curating and I talked about
this in my classes, they're curating their media coverage to
be in by size format for social media because they're
recognizing that with social media, they're not going to take

(50:03):
the time out to read a five to six seven
minute article, They're not going to take the time to
watch a three four five minute video. You basically have
to curate that information in a catchy and a catchy
SEO attention grabbing title that will hook them. And then

(50:27):
you got to have there be some type of a
and it's got to be a sensationalized SEO title to
hook them. And then if you're gonna do some type
of a video, you pretty much got to make your
point in like a minute or less. And it's all
about farming for engagements, retweets, likes, because there's also that

(50:51):
monetization aspect to it, which a lot of news media
organizations care a great deal about. Y'all have to scrutinize
the media organization itself. Okay, who's funding you like? When
it's all said and done, you know, who do you
guys answer to? Because that's gonna tell me alone whether

(51:14):
or not I'm going to get unbiased opinions and accurate
reporting with with what I'm seeing here. You know, we
already touched upon free speech and the whole debate about
that because you know, some to kind of circle back,
are arguing that Kirk's speech contributed to political violence. Others

(51:35):
warned such arguments become slippery slopes for blaming victims or
stifling expression. You know, Erica Kirk, you know, part of
her statement suggests, you know, the continuation of message and
the mission basically you know, media I will say they,
I will say, you know, media should cover responsibly, not

(51:59):
since theationalizing it. It really should be uh, it really
should be fact based rather than being speculatory. You know,
not for nothing, but you know, one of my one
of my associates, mentors even which I'm kind of having
second thoughts about. But I watched them put out a

(52:22):
story that they basically got ahead of because they felt
it was their social media claimed the fame that this
would be there, and obviously it was a developing story,
but with what they put out initially and how it

(52:44):
actually turned out had upset a lot of people and
it backfired. You know.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
But the other part of what you're saying is also
not just what you were saying as far as you.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Know, tidbit sized bites, you know, for these outlets to
be able to have their you know, claim the fame
kind of thing. But the other big piece of that
is the need, not even want, need to be first.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah, so you're trying to filter through all this filter
through all this information.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Not only are you trying to make it concise and
short and all this other.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Stuff, but you also want to be first.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
And the thing with being first is, yeah, you can
be first, but you may not always be right. Yes,
and that in itself can be hurtful.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yes, as many different forms.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
In many different forms, as we've seen this week, As
we have seen this week, So uh, there's no winners
this week when it's all set and downe, there isn't.
I mean, if if you want to, if you want to,
if you want to say there was a winner this week,

(54:14):
I'll maybe meet you halfway and say, uh, the social
media influencers, those that were looking for clicks and monetizations
and you know, and and let me say this before
before we transition.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I do have a point.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Oh yeah, no, no, I definitely want you to make
that point. But I would be remiss if I did
not say this to the people and they know who
they are, to the people that posted on social media
saying they were glad this guy is dead, laughing, high fiving,

(54:56):
break dance and I've seen my fair share without even
looking for them. You are part of the problem in
this country. You are part of the problem. Yeah, you
all seriously need help. You really need to look yourselves

(55:21):
in the mirror. Look, we all ain't perfect. But you know,
it's one of those things where I've said this for years.
Treat people the way you want to be treated. I
would think, with respect. And guess what, sometimes and I
know people, I know sometimes people don't respect you. But
guess what, when they don't respect you, you don't feel respected.

(55:44):
That don't mean you go as low as they do.
Sometimes you just continue to kill a motherfucker with kindness.
They don't want to take the high road. That's okay.
You show them every single time. You'll always be the
bigger and better person every day day of the week.
That's that's how you do it. Could you just imagine

(56:07):
if there was you know, could you just imagine people
high five and break dancing and all that ship when
Robert Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy was killed or people that you know,
I did. I never particularly cared for aerov was presley,
so naturally when I found out, uh he died shooting
on the toilet, I laughed by ass off and and

(56:28):
you know how end and I was high fiving, and
you know, I can understand it now now some now
some people want to say, well, well, Lee, America was
celebrating when Osama ben Latin got taken. Now, yeah, there's
a reason for that. There's a reason why we were
high fiving each other and going fuck yeah, and our

(56:49):
fucking country was attacked. M okay, don't get a twisted
sleeper cells here.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yeah, you know, there were so many any other different
things that were under siege. Yeah because of it. Yeah,
but it's not one of your own. Yeah, I mean
one apparently a US citizen that is here.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I don't know what's happening. I really, I'm not trying
to sound like an old man, but it's just because
I'm not. I'm not an old man.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Well.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I don't know if it's the current influence of pulp
culture that has essentially desensitized this current and younger generations
or what. But to see with my own two eyes
people laughing and caring on over the fact that this

(57:45):
dude is dead just because they didn't like his opinion.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
That's no reason.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I mean that. You know, I'm going I'm losing faith
in its society. Yeah, And these are the saying people
that say, oh, we need to be kind to one another,
we need to respect one another.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Which one is it?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Because you can't have it both ways when it's convenient
for you. You were saying you wanted to touch upon something,
so a.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Reference to you, you had asked sort of a rhetorical question.
You know, where they're winners this week. The only thing
that I could say to that is in the influence
of social media and of course the great police work

(58:38):
that I was going through in the in the area
of Utah that hopefully expedited the capture of this man. Yeah,
so if there was any winners, there was a pretty

(59:04):
speedy capture of the man that did this. Now, the
celebrations and the snide comments or inadvertent comments that maybe
those are your opinions, fine, but I do agree with
Lee read the room.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
You know, there's so much.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Let me be frank or at least this is the
way I feel about it. There's so much racism and
hatred that people don't even know because you don't. We
don't take the time to truly get to know a
person anymore. You have no idea what those that person's

(59:51):
political views are, what their opinions are, who you're even
truly talking to, because honestly, we don't get that deep
in anymore into conversations. So that person that you just had,
you know, a quick five minute conversation with, you don't
really know them, You only got a snapshot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Well, hell, let's take it a step further, just to
add on to your thought. Sometimes it's not even about
having that five minute conversation if you're even lucky, I mean,
I mean, I would use myself as a perfect example.
I have a Malcolm X tattoo, as many of you
all know, on my arm. It's on my inner arm.

(01:00:36):
And I can only imagine the type of looks that
I've gotten from some of my classmates in my classes
these past two weeks now. I have had some that
have been looking at my arm the entire class, and
I'm going, man, I wish this student would just ask me,

(01:00:57):
you know what my tattoo is about? Why did I
get it? I'd be more than happy to have a
conversation with them or whatever. And I would imagine that
some people are going, oh, well, because he has that tattoo,
you know he's an extremist. And because he has that tattoo,
you know he's racist. You know, he don't care for you.

(01:01:21):
Like It's like, so you've already got some people that's
assuming the worst. You know, It's interesting. I'll make this point.
It's interesting. In my sociology class this week, we were
talking about how COVID in the vaccines. We were going

(01:01:42):
over from a psychology standpoint sociology standpoint, mainly, you know,
why was it that so many people were not able
to get the vaccines initially and some people were able
to get the vaccines, and there was one student and
I kind of chuckled inside, because you know, we have

(01:02:04):
to be respectful and you know, we want to make
sure that everybody's opinion feels welcome. But for me, this
was like the dumbest thing that was said within reason.
He goes, well, you know, I'm from Montgomery County, Maryland,
which is, you know, you know, a rich county and
everything his exact words, a rich white county. And I

(01:02:26):
actually felt my head and it really did. I felt
my head snap back as I looked at him, and
I'm thinking to myself, you know, there's a bunch of
black people that live in Montgomery County. And his Spanish
ULTI ethnic like a motherfucker, and I'm going and he says, big,

(01:02:47):
rich white county. And he talked about how it was
difficult for him and his family to initially get the
COVID fact vaccines and Montgomery County because because it was
a big, rich white county, but that when he went
up to Prince George's county, he said it was a

(01:03:10):
poor black area and he was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
There's a stereotype.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
And I'm thinking of myself, brother, if you have only
seen the areas of PG County. You know, yes, there
are some parts of PG County that is, but there
are also beautiful, beautiful areas leisure World For anybody that
doesn't know leisure World is a is a perfect example
of Wow, I didn't know this was in PG. Like

(01:03:39):
what the It's like its own fucking zip code. I
mean we're talking condominiums homes. They've got their own personal
security at the gates, like you ain't getting in there.
It's like Fort Knox, right. I just couldn't help with
chuckle on the inside, going, perfect example why you should

(01:03:59):
not judge a book by uh it's its cover. Uh
to the points that you were making, please continue so
you feel me. It all big rich white neighborhood. Know,
it's like big rich white county.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Yeah, we played plenty of taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
So if that's the case, I should be looking at
four cars. I should be looking at four cars, uh,
in front of our parking spaces, in front of our
house right now. But you know, like we should have
more than two cars right now. That's that's news to me.
Where's our housekeeper? That's news to me?

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
And you got me right. Look, the check is in
the mail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Shit.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
So in reference to that is again an opinion and
a stereotype. Maybe for him that is where he lives,
he grew up and his section of Montgomery County is

(01:05:07):
that way. But the funny thing is is, maybe even
better said, is a lot of people in Montgomery County,
maybe possibly working class, maybe possibly the fact that they
have insurance that would cover it, you know, could be

(01:05:32):
reasons why you know there was so many other people
in Montgomery County. I mean, because, believe me, there were
lines out the SSS in Maryland in general to essentially

(01:05:52):
get the vaccine. So so there's so many different variables,
but that's still opinion based.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
It's not factual.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
You know, There's so many instances you could essentially look
at and pull from to say that's your opinion, but
not stated fact. And as a society, we've gotten so

(01:06:26):
used to a person's opinion being fact because they stated it,
and some in some realms not saying not saying that
everything is that way. But I mean, you know how
many of these you know social media influencers or you

(01:06:48):
know videos on on on your social media platform Instagram, Facebook, Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
You know all of those.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Oh well, I I saw this on X platform. That's right,
that's what it is, instead of going out of your
way and actually researching it for yourself to figure out if.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
That is said such the case, and then the.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Part of that as far as an opinion piece, it
grows because now this person has the same opinion and
then relates it to four or five other people, and
then it's a whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
So it's very dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Actually, it's very dangerous in so many forms and reference
to someone's opinion and it's not fact based to the
point where you almost don't know what to believe anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It's interesting that you said that, because that's a perfect
segue to the following. I hate to say we told
you so, who say it isn't so WrestleMania forty three.
I know that's a hard win eighty, but stay with us.
It connects before it connects, it connects, it connects, it connects.

(01:08:13):
Stay with us watch this because you guys are like,
wait a minute, that's a hard one eighty, Like how
does this stay with us? Because it's about media framing
and what's been reporting. Okay, So I literally just gave
you the answers to the chi SHEI just now. So
WrestleMania forty three is officially confirmed to take place in Riad,

(01:08:34):
Saudi Arabia in twenty twenty seven, part of RIA season.
This would be the first WrestleMania held outside of North
America this partnership in the history. WWE has been hosting
multiple events a year in Saudi Arabia since twenty eighteen.

(01:08:54):
As many of you all know, this under a long
term deal with the Saudi General Entertainment Authority aligned with
the Saudi Vision. Twenty thirty, Saudi Arabia's RIAD season will
be hosting WrestleMania forty three, which is part of that
ongoing collaboration. Meanwhile, comments from leadership Turkey A La Shaka,

(01:09:24):
I don't know how to pronounce that. The chairman of
GEA said, this mark say significant moment in our partnership
with WWE and that they want to deliver a WrestleMania
unlike anything the world has ever seen. WWE's Triple h
Paul Levec also said the move demonstrates WWE's a global brand,

(01:09:48):
that this takes the Saudi partnership to a new level.
Other Saudi ww events that's going to be coming up.
We got the twenty twenty six World Rumble that will
be held in Riod, marking that Big Five events first
time outside North America. Also, other WW event history and

(01:10:14):
Saudi Night of Champions, Elimination Chamber, Raw SmackDown have already
been held there under this deal. Let's address some of
the controversies, the reactions, the ethnic, the the ethical angles
to this, because there's a lot. Obviously, when this WrestleMania

(01:10:36):
announcement was made, if you were on WWE's YouTube page,
you definitely would have seen sold out. WW has sold out,
as fans have reacted strongly, right down to the point
even and I watched this in real time. I was
watching WWE World's Collide, and when they did the WrestleMania

(01:11:02):
in Saudi Arabia joint, the fans at World's Collide, a
a triple A event, a Spanish wrestling show, wrestling fans
unanimously chanted you sold out. You know I can hear
that right? Sorry, yeah, they chanted you sold out. Obviously,

(01:11:25):
many fans are upset that WW is prioritizing profit over tradition,
UH and its respective fans in North America. Let's now
look at this from a broader, a broader perspective. Did
you touch the mic again?

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
I heard something there, human rights, sports washing concerns. Critics
are pointing out that the Saudi government's record on women's rights,
lgbt Q rights, freedom of expression, and they're saying that
WWE deals amount to sports washing. So you know, we

(01:12:08):
have all that that's going on if you look at
the logistics and you're talking about brand identity questions. If
WrestleMania is moved outside of North America, and North America
has essentially always been the home base, the main base,

(01:12:29):
the hardcore base for fans, you know, what does the
future hold for future WrestleManias? Does this mean that, Look,
the tickets have gone up astronomically, astronomically over the years
for WrestleMania, but now that you're going to be doing
this outside of North America, does this make the and

(01:12:50):
I'm going to answer that question right now, yes, and
a unanimous yes, this is going to make the tickets
go up even more so that when they do bring
it back to the States, Yeah, it's not going to
be a case where all we we got to adjust
because no, it's going to be and look not for nothing,
but these days when you go to a raw or

(01:13:11):
SmackDown event, it really has become a did you go
all Man method Man was there? All Rick Ruben was there?
Lady Gaga. Fat chance of that happening. But you get
the gist that I'm saying, like, it's now if you
want to be seen, it seems like if you want
to be in with the end crowd, you know, oh
you know, I was at this event and all of

(01:13:34):
that bullshit. So let's look at the media framing and
the fan narrative as far as how WW and media
outlets frame this move. Right. On one hand, you got
progressive global expansion, which we just kind of highlighted and
we'll talk about more, versus the whole sellout. Okay, look

(01:13:57):
at it from a transparency and incentivepoint and ask yourselves
this question. Are fans being told the full context as
far as financial deals, venue, logistics, political concerns. What is
the incentive for WWE to partner with Saudi Arabia and
how is that covered or ignored?

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Think about the voices and reaction, which voices get amplified,
the fans, the critics, local governments, and whose voices are marginalized.
Think about the LGBTQ, the Saudi citizens and all of that. Right,
because you have to think about all of this right now.
We have all these hit pieces that's running around TAMS

(01:14:42):
and everybody talking about you know, Saudi Arabia. You know,
they're still killing people left and right. And let's talk
about the good right now, and let's talk about the
bad while we really set this up and really dive
in on this. So remember the Saudi Arabia Vision twenty

(01:15:04):
thirty and Women's Rights Progress Plan. The plan was pushed
for economic and social reforms, including lifting the driving band
for women in twenty eighteen. As it stands right now,
women can now drive, travel without needing a male guardian
in many cases, they can apply for passports, they can

(01:15:27):
get married, registered divorces okay. Reforms have also included anti
harassment laws improvements and employment discrimination protections, allowing women to
work in sectors that were previously closed off to them.
All right, so a little bit of progress. Let's keep going.

(01:15:49):
More good news far as from a cultural, economic and entertainment,
more public events, concert cinemas, opening up women participating in sports.
There's a launching of things like a twenty four hour
women's sports channel in Saudi Arabia, which shows increasing visibility

(01:16:11):
support for women's sports domestically, as far as legal and
regulatory changes, the submission of universal periodic reports to un
opening up some transparency to show what reforms are being claimed.
Some reforms in civil law draft penal code efforts, though

(01:16:34):
with controversy suggesting Saudi Arabia is trying to codify laws
that used to be more discretionary. Okay, now I just say,
I just gave you guys some good. A lot of
people aren't going to be doing this. A lot of
people are just going to be pooh poohing all over this.
And you know, sweet Saudi blood money ha ha ha,

(01:16:58):
and you know, fuck WWE and and all this. Right,
I just gave you guys some good. Here's some of
the continued problems and criticisms. Violations of basic civil liberties
and political dissent. You've got obituary arrests, detentions of people
for peaceful expressions, severe punishments after unfair trials. This is

(01:17:22):
according to Humans Rights Watch and a few other outlets.
You've got crackdowns on scholars, religious critics. Activism remains very dangerous.
Forced labor migrant workers abuse. Despite some labor reforms, many
migrant workers, especially in domestic sectors still face forced labor conditions,

(01:17:45):
exploitative working hours and wage theft, the death penalty, especially
for drug offenses and foreigners. Saudi executes people. You heard
me right, Saudi executes peace people for non violent drug
crimes in twenty twenty four. In early twenty twenty five,

(01:18:06):
there's been a noted increase in executions, many of those
being foreign nationals. Concerns over unfair trials and lack of
legal representation, censorship, lack of political freedom, no real elections
at national level, restrictions on freedom of speech, press, assembly, surveillance,

(01:18:32):
repression of dissent remains serious concerns. So when you look
at things from Amnesty International on non violent drug offense
executions quoted as saying is by the Associate Press, hundreds

(01:18:56):
executed over the past decade, more than half were foreign
nationals with minimal legal representation. I mean really really stop
and think about that. And you know, if you are
part of the LGBTQ plus community in Saudi Arabia, yeah,

(01:19:19):
you still want to be definitely very distreet. To quote
one of my favorite luth evangel songs, your Secret Love,
you still need to tread very very lightly Okay, so
that's the good, the bad, and the ugly when it
comes to this whole WWE Saudi Arabia. I mean, we

(01:19:42):
talked about it back in two thousand and you know,
sixteen seventeen when the deal initially went down, and we
talked about how polarizing of a deal it was. We
talked about how this was going to divide many people,
and you know, we had those that were like, fuck WWE,
fucksaw Arabia. I refuse to watch any show that happens

(01:20:04):
in Saudi Arabia. And I said at the time, and
you did as well. You know, hey, you know you
feel that way, You have every right to feel that way.
Allow those emotions to come in. It's fine. But guess what,
you know, you are just a cog in the machine.
The machine is going to go on without you. Okay,

(01:20:25):
more power to you. But we said the train's going
to keep on rolling, and the train has continued to roll,
and now look at where we are. This comes as
no surprise as me and TAM's predicted this as far
back as twenty twenty one, if not twenty twenty two,

(01:20:50):
before we were even asked by listeners regularly, do you
think Saudi Arabia will get a WrestleMania. And the original
prediction I know, the year that Tams gave with the
original number that I gave, I said, oh, you know,
I could see maybe right before twenty thirty five, I
could see a WrestleMania in Saudi Arabia. If this is

(01:21:13):
done right, well that's going to be happening a lot sooner.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
A lot sooner. Indeed.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Well, I mean, I'm happy to essentially hear about some
of the progress that has been made there. There's so
much business's businesses business, and you know, there's there's trying

(01:21:48):
to expand the product, and then of course there's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
There's so much stuff out there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
But essentially, a business, a publicly traded business, is going
to operate in what's best for business, not public opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Don't listen, iky Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Oh well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
To be honest with you, for do I personally agree
with it. I don't really think that WrestleMania really should
I guess because I mean, just for me, it was
founded here, it has always been here. You know, you

(01:22:41):
can do your main staple shows and you know Night
of Class or Night of Champions or whatever, but your
main flagship show that is literally your super That's like

(01:23:05):
having the Chiefs be in the Super Bowl with I
don't know the standers and basically say, well, instead of
actually putting it at the home team, which say the
Commanders had the home feel advantage.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Well, we're really just going to put it in Paris.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Or just to clean that up a little bit. We know,
the Super Bowl has always been in North America, but
this year, we're going to do it in Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Right, And it's like, huh, you know, so for me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Which spoiler alert, that eventually is going to happen. I
hate to say that to the NFL fans, but that
eventually is going to happen. I think before, I think,
way before twenty thirty five, there's going to be a
Super Bowl overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
There's a lot more games that are going overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
So with that being said, you could almost say that
it's a trend as far as taking it from where
it is now, which is USA only to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Literally globally.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Because with the Internet, and that's another thing with the Internet,
one could essentially be under the impression or assumption that
it's like, well, it's nice to be able to watch
these things on YouTube. And you know, Facebook and whatever
have you, but we don't get that chance to see

(01:24:44):
it live. And so it seems to be like more
and more companies are like, well, yeah, come over here,
we'll give you that money. And of course, as a business,
most people are you're not going to say no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
It's so easy for people to shit on this deal,
and rightfully so, because we just went over the good
and the bad that's been happening in Saudi Arabia. Can
I just really home in. I want to follow up
on what you said, and I want to sound off
on this more from a marketing and a business perspective.
But you know, look, if you are you know, just

(01:25:26):
just going back to the LGBTQ. For example, in Saudi Arabia,
same sex relationships are criminalized under Chiari law. Homosexuality is
considered a crime and can be punished by prison, flogging,
and even the death penalty. Transgendered identity is not legally recognized,

(01:25:50):
and gender affirming care is not available. There's no anti
discrimination laws protecting the LGBTQ, plus individual employment, housing, education,
or healthcare, Pride flag symbols or even colors perceived to
promote homosexuality or band including toys, t shirts, social media

(01:26:14):
content even so.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
You know, I mean, one is going to essentially have
to change their lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
To attend one of these events.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
If that does indeed counter is counterintuitive.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
From what their regulations and rules are.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Fun fact, during the twenty twenty two FEVA World Cup discussions,
Saudi Arabia pressurre Qatar to not allow rainbow arm bands
or LGBTQ plus messaging in stadiums despite not being the
host country. So you know, there's you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Know, there's still plenty, plenty of things to iron out, yes,
and and you know, and see how they can come
to a happy medium. Yeah, and I would hope that yes,
you've gotten the deal. But what is more important is

(01:27:21):
are your patriots coming from another country?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Are they going to be safe?

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
So let me let me there's there's a lot to
this to all the people that's going well. Vince McMahon never,
you know, never never did this. Vince McMahon cared about
cared about the American fan. Vince McMahon always made sure
that tickets were available at a reasonable price. Uh, things

(01:27:54):
were so much better under Vince McMahon. I I hate
to burst that bubble.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
For you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Well, you you know, I'm gonna say this nicely because
other people will will will be using more venom towards
that ideology. You all are so simple with that rhetoric.
You are very simple with that rhetoric. Okay. T ko's
Mark Shapiro literally through Vince McMahon under the bus, uh

(01:28:23):
this week too, he said. He essentially said, yeah, well,
with Vince McMahon's ideology, he actually was losing money. And
what we have been doing is trying to figure out
how to maximize profits and the little things, increasing ticket
prices for example, because you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Know, yeah, but astronomically, well, well, let me be Devil's advocate.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. Let
me be devil's advocate. Let me be Devil's advocate. If
I were to tell you what you're snacking on there,
oh y'all, y'all are having a field day. Damn. Let
me let me tackle it this way. Okay. If I'm WWE,

(01:29:16):
and originally I was having my wrestlers and and my
shows out there for let's just say two hundred and
fifty days, you know, two hundred and fifty days, two
hundred and seventy five days out of the year, we're
out there on the road. And if I were to

(01:29:38):
come out there and say, Okay, you know what, we're
gonna really trim the fuck out of this, right, We're
gonna go from two hundred and seventy five dates, We're
gonna trim that shit down to one hundred and eighty five,
two hundred dates were we're gonna really make this feel

(01:30:02):
very special what we're doing. We're gonna make this feel
very very special what we're doing. Then, if I'm figuring
things out from a logistical standpoint, right, if I'm going,

(01:30:24):
if I'm going in a position where I say, okay,
you know what, out of a calendar year, we would
hit up New York City at least twenty times. Now,
under the way I'm operating my business New York, it

(01:30:44):
drops from twenty to five only five times out of
the year. I'm gonna be bringing my talents and my
show to the New York area. Right. If I'm doing
in all of these smart things, and I'm taking advantage
of inflation, I'm taking advantage of Like, trust me, folks,

(01:31:08):
I don't think it's right, make no mistake about it,
but I'm being Devil's advocate at the same time. Yeah,
I'm gonna do what I need to do. Two, Because
if I'm going to be incorporating drone usage for my shows,
because I got a responsibility to how my content is

(01:31:28):
being consumed by those watching it on television or whatever
their respective devices. Okay, I gotta recoup some of that
money back somehow for everything that I'm doing from a
production standpoint. Okay, that's what most people aren't realizing when

(01:31:48):
you know, they go, ah, but you know now I
can't afford a wrestling ticket anymore. I can't. Yeah, well duh,
of course worse because look at who WWE is now
in bed wet. It's now about the almighty dollar. Okay,

(01:32:09):
this whole notion of WWE. They sold out. They sold
out to the Saudi Arabia. WW I hate to break
it to people, WWE sold out the minute that they
became a publicly traded company back in the early two thousands.

(01:32:29):
That is when WWE stopped being a family owned business,
once they started having responsibility to shareholders and all that. Now, look,
some people could say, well wait a minute, Lee, but
Vince McMahon still had controlling power and I hear you.
I hear you, and yes, I would agree. But the
minute that they became a publicly traded company, that's when

(01:32:52):
the tides shifted. Okay, plain and simple. So I look
at what's currently going on with the WWE product, trust
me as a wrestling fan. It breaks my heart because
we were talking about it. We were talking about it earlier.
John Cena's retirement joint It was supposed to be in Boston,

(01:33:14):
but allegedly ww told Boston, you know, city government or whatever, Look,
we want like seven eight million dollars, like what's up?
And Boston's like, whoa, that's too steep for our blood.
We really don't think we're going to get a return
investment on that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Yeah, literally is two weeks before Christmas, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
We're like, yeah, nah, we're going to pass on that.
And so now Washington d C Is now going to
be the place for John Cena's final show. And I
already told Tams, I said I would love to get
tickets to go see John Cena. But I already know
that the tickets are going to be you know, through

(01:33:53):
the roof, even for like a nosebleed seat, it's going
to be like through the fucking roof, so you know what,
got the next best seat in the house, you know.
And look, I've gotten to a point now where I
don't mind just kicking back at home and watching the
television production. I really don't, because I'm going to get
those beautiful angles that I'm not going to be able
to see anywhere else. And then, not to mention, we

(01:34:14):
don't have to worry about that stupid ass parking situation.
We don't have to worry about after the event is over,
and oh my god, you know it's gonna take us
at least forty five minutes to an hour to get
out of this goddamn parking lot. Now, granted, you know,
memories are forever and it's you know, ah, but nothing
beat seeing it in person to be able to say

(01:34:34):
that you were actually thereinly the experience of them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Yeah yeah, But at what point do you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Basically say to yourself, when am I going to price
price out of basically the local, you know, the average fan,
When am I going to price out because you essentially
are are you know, raising your ticket prices so much

(01:35:06):
that the average person can't do that? Now, in all fairness,
there are some.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Ways that you can.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
I mean, there are so many people that are taking
advantage of the you know, paying force, pay over time
and all of that for everything now, hotels, events, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Oh, tels, mo tails, holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
And so in reference to that, yes, okay, you do
have that, but good grief, who wants to be paying
till they're freaking, you know, five years down the road
for one event that I've been five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
I'm trying to go to Russell. I'm trying to go
to a WWE event, and it's like trying to pay
back my college tuition. Yes, And it's like, you know,
let me say this, Let me say this, I hear,
I hear you and your fuststra don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
Let me say this just to really piggyback very quickly.
I get it as a business expense. I get that
people need to turn a profit otherwise you're out of business.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
I get that wholeheartedly. But what feels like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Fifty percent of your revenue is coming from your increase
ticket sells?

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
And to me.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
It feels like, okay, maybe raise you know, a little
over here, a little over here, little over here, little
over here to make up a bulk thing. And maybe
they are, but still, I do believe that the ticket prices,
I mean WrestleMania ticket prices alone were jaw dropping.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Look, let me tell you something. I'm getting ready to
say something. I'm getting ready to drop some serious logic
on Tams and everybody right now. And I've been saying this.
I've been saying this shit for years, and I'm gonna
give you the perfect analogy. Earlier today, I was thinking
about Burger King. I said, man, you know what, I

(01:37:29):
would like a chicken sandwich with cheese on it. I
don't want no lettuce, I don't want no tomato, I
just want cheese on it. I want a large hash brown,
I want a large fry, and I want a Bacon
King cheeseburger. Now, obviously I wasn't gonna sit down and

(01:37:51):
eat all this shit by myself. But whenever I am
feeding for Burger King, that's usually you might go to
and I'll stretch that out over a couple of days.
Tams will tell you, I'll stretch that out right down
to the point I'll be like, hey, Hon want half
of this burger, you know, and she'll join me. She
don't care about the chicken SALMD. So I already know
the chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Still care about Burger King, guys, she don't.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Care about Burger King, right, I do like the fries though.
Fries are good, right, So, but I'll, you know, if
it's just me I'm left alone, I'll stretch that out
for a couple of days. Stay with me now, because
this links to WWE Now before, I remember when a
chicken sandwich from Burger King was under five dollars. I

(01:38:37):
remember when fries was like a dollar seventy five to
two dollars. I remember whatever sandwich you were trying to
get from, you know, one of their whoppers or whatever.
I remember a time when it was like three almost
four dollars, that little bit of stuff that I was

(01:38:58):
thinking about ordering, having it delivered here minus delivery, having
it delivered here minus the delivery fee was thirty dollars.
And I just told you, guys, four items. I said,
hash Browns, fries, chicken sandwich, bacon King sandwich, and did

(01:39:21):
you get a drink? No drink, no drink? Now add
in the delivery fee. Now it's forty dollars. Forty dollars,
forty dollars for four items. I'm going down inflation like
a motherfucker. You know what I do. You know what
I did? You know what I did? I said? I said,

(01:39:44):
I said, let me take my black ass downstairs TOAMS.
Did a little bit of grocery shopping the other day.
I said, let me take my black ass downstairs, let
me see what I can find, and I'll just and
within second I found something and I ate it. Now,
some of you guys are probably saying, Lee, how does

(01:40:05):
this tie back to what you just talked about in
regards to WWE and all of that. Allow me to elaborate.
You don't like the current prices that's happening with WWE.
They too rich for your blood. I feel you on
that even more. The reason why and longtime listeners know

(01:40:26):
what I'm getting ready to say. No, long time listeners
know what I'm getting ready to say. I've been saying
this for years more. The reason why you should be
supporting your local wrestling fed. If you got access to
seeing a local wrestling fed and you can basically see
future superstars of tomorrow, what better bragging rights do you

(01:40:49):
get than saying, Hey, I remember this person when they
were coming up. I remember seeing them locally performing in
front of fifty people. You know, every week and wow,
look at where they are now. They finally made it
to WWE or New Japan or they made it to
ae W. And let me circle back to AW four second.

(01:41:12):
Now more than ever, Tony Khan, if you tired of
what's happening with WWE even more, the reason why you
need to be supporting Tony Khan and ae W because
if I could bend Tony Kahan's ear, I would say
to Tony Khan, you need to pull a Eric Bischoff.

(01:41:32):
As a matter of fact, I would encourage Tony Khan if
he hasn't even watched it, I would encourage him to
watch that Eric Bischoff DVD that we both gave glowing
reviews for back in the day. And he Tony Kahan
needs to make his own lists and go, what is
WWE doing? And let me do and let me do

(01:41:52):
the opposite. Okay, WWE wants to essentially take their show
out more on the road internationally. They want to start
giving away their premium events such as WrestleMania and all
these other motherfuckers to Saudi Arabia shows and all of that. Okay,
then we need to be the new home based alternative

(01:42:13):
for our American audiences. They want to keep jacking up
prices and making them this much, We're going to lower
our prices. Tony Kahan did something really fucking cool. Like
two weeks ago, there was a ROH pay per view.
I can't remember the name of it right now, but
basically halfway into the pay per view, there were streaming issues.

(01:42:38):
I mean, it was really really bad. They had the gremlins.
What does Tony Kahan do. Tony Khan goes, let's stream
the rest of the pay per view for free live
on YouTube. And he put out a statement apologizing in
real time what was going on, and he was like everybody,
he was like, even if he didn't pay for the

(01:42:59):
pay per view, you're now able to enjoy the second half.
So go check it out. And it's still on YouTube
as we speak, it's that second half. It's still on YouTube. Okay, So,
but like Tony Kahan and aw, they need to do
the polar opposite of what's going on, right down to
the point, right down to the point, right down to

(01:43:21):
the point. Oh wwe raw their flagship show. It's now
on Netflix, in which you need a subscription. Okay, Well,
if I'm Tony Kahan, I'm going, Tony do it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Let's holler at USA.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
No, no, no, no, listen, listen, Tony Kahn, I'm going Okay,
WWE raw is now on Netflix, to which you need
a subscription. Well, I'm gonna do the polar opposite. Okay,
I'm gonna make sure that since we are already partnered
up with Warner Brothers Discovery, I'm going to test the
waters and see what happens if we have AW Dynamite

(01:43:57):
and or Collision air on Monday night.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Mm hmm mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Let's let let's let's see what happens we're having air
on a Monday night. Let's let's see what type of
viewership that we're able to get. Maybe we can kind
of somehow pick up the void of what once was.
But Tony conn and AW needs to make a list
of what is ae W currently doing. Mmm. And to

(01:44:25):
your point, yeah, let's do the opposite. Okay, they're playing
more to this base. They want to play more to
the international fans. We need to play more to the
American fans. And we can do that. But don't keep
doing blow for blow, because when you keep trying to
match WWE for blow for blow you're gonna lose every time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Because they're a juggernaut.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
AW is in a proposition right now where if they
can really strategically do this right, they can truly be
a number two alternative. WWE has literally set it up
for more than on the platter. They just got to
seize the opportunity right. WW can continue to And this
isn't coming from an AAW dick sucker WWE hater. This

(01:45:13):
is just you're talking to somebody that is just able
to look at the wider picture.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
But more importantly, you I've written about, you know, been
around the block a couple of times, So it's not like, well,
you're just new to this game.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
You knew too, you know what can be.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
You're essentially looking at it as a whole and seeing, Okay,
this needs a feel.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
How can they feel it?

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Look at this for a second. Just to let you
guys know, I'm on the right path. AW did something
cool like a couple of weeks ago. Somehow it escaped me.
I never did bring it up on the show, but
I thought it was like the coolest fucking thing that
they did. AW had partnered up with Whitecastle and they
had like this really cool a w I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Bullshit you not car lord Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
I bullshit you not as funny as this is. They
hooked up with Whitecastle. They did like this AW meal
and then if I remember it, y'all have to correct me.
Otherwise I'll research it and I'll know by the time
we do Monday show. But if I remember right, I
think when you purchased the meal, you got like a

(01:46:25):
discount off for future AW tickets or you got AW
tickets to that respective show in that area. They did
something weird, but they had an AW meal. I was like,
holy shit, AW needs to continue to do more shit
like that. I would be like Tony Kahan aw here

(01:46:46):
in the DMV, we used to do this cool thing
where if you were collecting, if you were buying pepsi
or the Rito's, if you cut off the little coupon,
you got four dollars off for six flags. Okay, Tony Kanye,
w do something similar to that. Hey, we partnered up
with you know whoever?

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Wow look at I mean look it back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
You know, everybody is is back into the trinkets and
the tokens, or at least it seems that way, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
I mean, hell, you just had subway. Do Happy Gilmour meals?

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
So why not expand seven to eleven? You know some
of your real big national chains, why not partner up?

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Okay, WWE, WWE partners up with? Who did they partner
up with? With those cups? Who's that? Who was that
one the recent cups? Who was that? Who was that?
Bow Jangles? Okay, WWE hollered at bow Jangles. I'm saying
to a WK go oh no, no, that's a little

(01:47:58):
too high. Now wait man, wait a minute, now, wait
a minute, Wait a minute. Now we're reaching Okay, that's
a little better. That's that's a little bit I was
going to say crystals, you know that that's a little
you know, or church is Chicken. That's a little bit
more within their wheelhouse, you know. But you know, uh

(01:48:22):
quick bart oh you know sheets, you know, a W
partner with sheets, you know, right, a W and and
and Charlie's. I can see that a W and Charlie's
doing a little Charlie's steak and cheese. Uh uh.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Out in the DMV.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
I can see them doing some some some stuff like that,
right right, just put the put the bar a little
bit lower, and you know, kind of kind of go
from there, you know, but no, it's right there on
a silver platter for them to take. There all already
doing the right moves by playing a smaller venues, playing
to okay, and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Probably getting better crowds, right and essentially asses and seats,
so that when you really start to expand, then those
bigger venues won't be as hard to fill exact because
your base is already there exactly, you know, I mean ship?

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Hey hey, uh uh you know w W is hooking
hooking up with Mabeleine? Okay, well, a W it probably
won't happen, but uh maybe a W and Mary Ka
or or or maybe ae W and who's the other who? No, no, no,

(01:49:48):
who's the people that you all hate. They're like your
public enemy Mary Kay and Avon. There you go, a
W and a von. You know you can do like
weird ship like that. Okay, It's it's not that hard, right, okay?
Yea WWE is hooking up with WW is hooking up

(01:50:09):
with Oscar Meyer for their hot dogs or whatever. AW
is hooking up with the Wahlberg brothers. Oh okay, right right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Isn't a bad idea?

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
Yeah? Because they're they're a smaller chain.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Exactly, but big Reach what Big Reach exactly? Switching it up.
So there's our thoughts about that one. Switching it up
a little bit. Some last little bit of notes shout
out to uh Motley Crue. Looks like the band's gonna
be gear It looks like the band's gonna be gearing

(01:50:47):
up to perform a ten date show out in Las Vegas.
Remind me of the singer's name again? Is events Neil.
Apparently the dude suffered a damn stroke before Christmas and

(01:51:09):
he pretty much has been rehabing ever since. His doctors
apparently told him that he was never going to perform again,
be able to perform again, and he's going, no, you know,
He's like, yeah, you telling me what? And apparently he, uh,
he did one hell of a comeback. And I can't

(01:51:29):
wait to see the footage and and how he's looking.
I know, in the more later years, he was looking
really really bad, Like even before the whole revelation of
the stroke came out, he was looking Honestly, I did
not recognize him. I mean, because he was greatly obese.

(01:51:50):
I mean he had yeah, you know, I mean, he
he looked like he was about to drop. I mean,
that's how you know there, you know what I mean,
Folks like, there's certain people that you look at and
you just go, okay, well, no, that looks about right.
How old is he? Oh well that looks about right. Yeah,
he should probably look right at about yeah, and it

(01:52:13):
looks healthy on them. But he looked unhealthy. He looked
like there was some type of underlining shit that was
going on where you're just like, I hope this guy's careful.
I know, over the years, some of the footage I
would see of him, legit, I'm going, hope he's okay,
and then I would just shake it off and go

(01:52:34):
a probably nothing. So to hear that he actually suffered
a stroke, You're like, wow, that's just that's just insane
to hear. So again, I'm looking forward to seeing the
footage that comes out because I can't wait to see
because some of the footages that be running around, you know,
with some acts, you're going, okay, they're looking hey, he

(01:52:58):
could still perform. That's that's good. And it is Vince
Neil who I was thinking it is. It is Vince Neil. Uh.
And there is a recent picture that's floating around of him. Uh,
it definitely gives me hope that you know that that
he's okay. You know, he seems to be much smaller,

(01:53:24):
and you know, I could do without the bad uh
dye hair hair no, no, no, no, no. He I
don't know what it is, but it just seems like
people are trying to make sure that you know who
they are by making sure their hair and their beard
is still the same color as it was back in

(01:53:46):
the day, and you just know for a fact that
they're dying their ship. It's like, you don't need to
dye your ship, dude, just get out there and fucking perform,
like that's all we care about. So speedy recovery ongoing.
Nothing but good health and wish is to Vince Neil. Meanwhile,
d Snyder from Twisted Sister making some headline news fantastic

(01:54:10):
interview that he had did with Eddie Trunk earlier in
the week, and I'm really happy to see that the
interview has been picking up a lot of steam and everything.
But he was telling Eddie Trunk that as far as
Twist his Sister reuniting to go on tour one more time,

(01:54:35):
for him, it's not about the money apparently. And it's like, well,
if it's not about the money, and usually it's always
about the money, If it's not about the money, then
what is this about? And everything? And d Snyder is

(01:54:56):
basically saying, you know, we like the idea of a challenge.
We like the idea of going out there and performing.
You know, we like the idea of reuniting and and
performing during this fiftieth anniversary tour. But you know, we

(01:55:21):
want to do this in a way where we're doing
it justice. If we can't go out there and perform
at the highest level that's humanly possible, and if I
don't feel in my heart of hearts that we can
do it, then honestly, we've got no purpose being out there.
But part of what he had said to Eddie Trunk,

(01:55:43):
I'm using a direct quote. He said, if you're lucky
enough to be in a band that people still want
to see after fifty years, how can you not answer
the call and.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
You can still do it? Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
Yeah? And I can't wait to see what they're gonna
be able to do. I've seen a little bit of
stuff off and on over the years. I know they
had did their forty and fuck it farewell tourne I
love that name man. Yeah, that was like that was

(01:56:16):
like back in like twenty sixteen, And for years Snyder
insisted that he had no interest in reuniting, though he
did join Mendoza in French for a twenty twenty three
performance with Twist, his sister when they were inducting into
the Heavy Metal Hall of Fame, and Snyder who, let's
not beat around the bush. You know, he's now age seventy, Wow,

(01:56:41):
all right, and you know he's like, yo, I'm getting
the itch. Let's go ahead, you know, let's let's do this,
Let's make it happen. And he realizes that, look, there's
a big difference between you know, going out there and
doing like a five I've a five song, eight song set,

(01:57:02):
but now you're talking about now we're going to go
in the double digits. Now we're gonna go about you know,
ninety minutes two hours strong. And you know, it creates
a very interesting question, hun, which is I'm thinking about
some of the stuff that I've seen in recent years.
I mean on our Facebook page for example, still one

(01:57:23):
of the most polarizing clips to this day is of
David Lee Roth that we shared you know him performing,
and all the comments that continue to come in, where
they're going, what is mister what was the doctor on?
What's that show from back in the day, Lost in Space?

(01:57:47):
The Professor and the robot? You bumbling idiot, get away
from me. What is that dude's name? The actor he
was on an episode of Sanford and Son by doing
the whole scam with the with the toilet in the cabinet.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
I still don't remember the guy's name, but I do not.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
You know the actor I'm talking about, though, Uh, so
many people in the Facebook comments section we're saying David
Lee Roth looks like him looks like the Professor from
Lost in Space. I just bust up laugh And every
time I see a new comment come in, because now
before I even read the comment, I'm looking at David
Lee Roth and he's literally looking like the fucking professor
from Lost in Space. But you know, we've seen some

(01:58:33):
pretty shitty performances from some people who it's like, yeah,
you probably should maybe hang it up already, you know,
but what's uh just checking in, you know, because it's
nice to check in with you every couple of years

(01:58:53):
and ask the question, where's your head space? Set. When
you see some of these people in there, it's not
even so much about them in their sixties, but now
when they're in their seventies and up and they're going
out there and they're still performing. Because for me, I'm
a bit amazed that with everything that had happened during

(01:59:14):
the pandemic, you would have thought that because and I
say pandemic, because when a pandemic went down, we saw
bands such as Metallica, Green Day, you know, just to
name a few, that did these online concerts from their
own home where they had all hooked up via zoom
and they were they were doing jam sessions, playing a

(01:59:37):
couple of sets. And since then, we've seen bands embrace
social media as a new way of connecting with their
fan base, to the point that they're now offering subscriptions.
They're now offering, you know, a little monthly streaming joint
where you know, hey, bye bye before the end of

(01:59:58):
the month, the and is going to be on at
this time and you'll be able to watch them, you know,
perform live and all this other stuff. How do you
feel these days about seeing some acts in their seventies
and up still going out there, not going the social
media route, we're going out there and physically performing in
front of a crowd.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
So speaking as someone who, for lack of better words,
for lack of better phrases, at this point, grew up
on listening to music that was you know, yeah, of
course I grew up listening to you know, the eighties, nineties,

(02:00:41):
seventies music. But back in my childhood, those those people
who essentially were performing in the fifties and the sixties,
and even in the seventies, we're still performing.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
So some of the.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
Those people and even into the nineties, if you want
me to be honest, and you and I both know
that there are still bands that are performing that were
popular in the fifties. Not many, but there are a few,
and they don't have majority of the original members. You know,

(02:01:23):
to name one the four Times, well, the four Tops
is one of them, but that's also not exactly the
one I was thinking of, right, I mean, obviously.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
You raise you beach boys and beach boys.

Speaker 4 (02:01:38):
Right, So people want the experience. You're not going to
get the experience from in front of your computer. People
want the experience of going out and trying to relive
their youth, and that's what's happening here, you know, and

(02:02:02):
feeling for if not for one night, feeling like that
young kid again or that young twenty something person again,
and reliving good memories and things of that nature. So
I think that there is a niche for it, absolutely.

(02:02:24):
You know, a lot of a lot of your fan
base doesn't know that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
At one point.

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
I mean, I'm still a pretty big fan, but I
used to kirk out with new kids on the block.
That was my that was my jam, that was my band,
you know, grew up on them. And when they first
relaunched after they had broken up and came back, oh man,

(02:02:52):
anything and everything, and I spent quite a bit of money.
I went on their cruise twice, right at least once,
but I'm thinking it was twice.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
I think I skipped a year and then went back
the next year. Anyway, twice pay for meet and greets
or once I pay for one meet and greet, but
either way, but basically going not going along winded on
it is. People want the experience, and especially when you
were younger, you didn't have the options to do exactly

(02:03:25):
what you wanted at that point. So reliving that is
a you know, a definite part of it. And I
think that's why there are people that are calling for it.
And if if then that's the big If you have
a band who can still deliver and it's and you're healthy,

(02:03:52):
and it gives you purpose for the band and possibly
the attendees, why not.

Speaker 1 (02:04:02):
Mmm. I look at bands like The Rolling Stones and
I go who I love tremendously. My math teacher back
in high school really hipped me on to the Rolling Stones.

(02:04:24):
I remember one of the first albums that I actually
ended up owning of the Rolling Stones because of somebody,
and in this case, it was because of my math teacher.
He was like, oh man, he was like, Rolling Stones
is getting ready to come out with a new album.
And we're like, Professor, those guys are like Professor Hirschner,

(02:04:48):
that was his name. We're like, we're like professor or
mister Hirschner. I'm sorry, not professor, like mister Hershner. Like
that band is so fucking old. And he was like,
to you, yeah, and he said that, he was like,
you know, to you, it was like, no, these guys
are still kind of he was like, they're a little
bit older now. He's like, but they're they're still pretty

(02:05:09):
damn popular. But The very first album that I ever
ended up owning of the Rolling Stones was their Bridges
to Babylon album, and that's got the main feature track
Anybody Seen My Baby? And when I listened to that
whole album, I was like, wow, I mean that really,

(02:05:30):
because back then I was pushing Alison, Chains, Sound, Gardens,
Stone Temple, Pilots Bush, Nirvana, CA's Choice, Cranberries.

Speaker 4 (02:05:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
I also was in the Motley Crue, Twisted Sister ac
DC nine Inch Nails. I mean, I was into a
little bit of everything, and so when I would hear
about these wait, that's a relic band. Why are you?
That's a dinosaur or band? You know, But when I
listened to it, I'm like, wow, these guys sound I'm

(02:06:07):
like wow. And then I ended up checking out their
back catalog. Now I knew of a couple of Rolling
Stone songs already, but not enough to okay, I'm a fan, right,
But but after that Bridges to Babylon album, I became
a fan, and now it was okay, now I want
to consume any and all things, right, And I've been

(02:06:28):
a Rolling fan, a Rolling Stones fan, ever since.

Speaker 4 (02:06:31):
So let me ask you, in reference to as as
an analogy. Okay, if money were no object and there
was a concert where Chris Cornell and Soundgarden was there,

(02:06:52):
and and say they were in their in their seventies, okay,
but still sounded recognized. And then you had another, say
you had another band join them that had length, Stilly
also in his sixties seventies, still sounded recognizable.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
Would you not.

Speaker 4 (02:07:20):
Empty your bank account to essentially go and see them.

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
If they still sounded Because I'm a stickler, man, I'm
a stickler. I am a stickler now more than ever.
I have hopped on social media and like, out of curiosity,
I'm trying to hear how bands sound live. And if

(02:07:47):
I am sold on how they sound live, okay, yeah,
I don't mind seeing them live. So because remember when
we were growing up, you know very well, and many
others around our age, if not older, we all were
growing up. There was no oh, I'll just help on
YouTube or Twitter and I'll just I'll just see how

(02:08:11):
the band is live. No, your ass would just be surprised. Yes,
when you go to the concert and heaven forbid, you
caught the band on on a night where you know
they did some drugs or whatever night you know you
were going to be telling all your friends and family.

Speaker 4 (02:08:27):
About the only thing that we really had back then.
But heck, that was like a couple of months after
you've seen him. Yeah, was some kind of DVD that
you know, our VHS bootleg right that had come out,
you know, of that of a concert in one of
the cities.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
And we also relied on on magazines.

Speaker 3 (02:08:50):
Magazines and possibly others who had been to one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Right. We also relied on the radio station too, because
they used to also give us the skin on what
was happening with with some of the some of our
favorite bands performing. But to answer your question, yeah, so
knowing what I know now and having the accessibility that
I have to social media, and if I'm seeing to

(02:09:15):
your point, hey Lane st Lee, Okay, signing pretty damn good,
you know, and I'm seeing you know, Chris Cornell he's
still around and Sound Garden and you know they sound
very close to right like father time's been kind to them.
I'm going, yeah, okay, if money were no object, I'm
going yeah, sure, But I care a great deal about

(02:09:37):
the performance first and foremost, because I have seen my
fair share of acts online where I go. Why are
they out here, why are they doing this? Like and
I before anybody even answers that question. Some you can
look at and you just know this is how they

(02:09:59):
are making ends meet. Like they have to. They have
to do this.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
And sometimes it's also just as much of a passion
project for them.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
It gives them something to do, correct, right, It definitely
gives them something to do, or just a combination of
all of those things.

Speaker 4 (02:10:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
But I don't want it as a fan. I don't
want to be in a position where I go and
I'll give you a perfect example when everybody else at home,
I'll give you all the perfect example. I look at
Robert Plant just how you go New Kids one. I love, love,
love Robert Plant. TAM's knows this. I love Robert Plant.

(02:10:38):
Matter of fact. One of the first albums that TAM's
got me, even though I own the album on CD,
one of the first albums that she got me for
my vinyl record player was Robert Plant's debut album, Pictures
at Eleven. I love that album. That's like one of
my all time favorites from Robert plants discography. I own

(02:11:01):
all things Robert Plan, every single album, every single collaboration,
I've seen him in concert. Love the guy, Love him
to death, like like for me, the guy can do
no wrong. He's got a new album that's getting ready
to drop later this month, and he's hooking up with

(02:11:23):
a new band. Uh well, he's been hooked up with
a new band and they've been going around touring the
past couple of years and and and everything. It's called
Saving Grace. I've heard a little bit, you know, seen
a couple of their live performances and all that, and
you know, as a fan, I'm now going mhmm. You know,

(02:11:46):
did you hear me? Folks? I said, you know, I'm
now going yeah, I missed that. This ain't no see
you and you know live you know, if any thing,
I'm going, well, how's the studio album? Because if the
studio album is good, like I can get behind that,

(02:12:09):
right And and Plant has been on such a hot
streak when he resurfaced back in the early two thousands
with the Strained Sensation band and they put out the
Dreamland album and you know, basically Plant was like one
of this resurgence. Like ever since, he's had a hot
streak of putting out some really good albums. The follow

(02:12:34):
up that he did with Alison Krause. It escapes me
right now. I know their first collaboration was Raising sand
I can't think of the name of the follow up album.
That album was okay, not as good as not as
good as their their first collaborative effort. But you know,

(02:12:56):
I watched some of the performances live with Saving Grace,
and I'm just going, Aldie, he's got a little something
to do, and you know, it's good for him. You know,
I'm happy for him.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
And it's like I'll.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
Check out the album though, you know, like, but it's like,
I think it might be time for you to retire, dude.
I hate saying that because I love all things Robert Plant,
but anytime I'm going I think it's now time for
you to retire. That's not good. Now that I'm not
saying his voice is bad, But at the same time,
I'm also recognizing, yeah, he ain't quite where he was

(02:13:34):
ten to fifteen years ago. That's a prime example of
you know, maybe you should kind of go do something else.
So there are certain acts that I'm looking at and
I just again, I get it. It's a passion project
to what you said, it's giving them something to do.

(02:13:56):
They gotta make ends meet.

Speaker 4 (02:13:57):
But most don't necessarily think like you do. I'm not
saying all yeah, but most most is still the nostalgia
piece of it. Because if that nostalgia piece wasn't.

Speaker 3 (02:14:15):
There, it's like my best wouldn't they.

Speaker 4 (02:14:19):
Wouldn't necessarily be a resurgence.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
Let me tell you something. I remember one of my
best friends, his name was Diego.

Speaker 4 (02:14:27):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Diego was big into the wrestling. Diego's all time favorite
wrestler was Shawn Michaels. Diego is a straight up heterosexual man,
but I have had many conversations with him where he
has told me, dude, I'll go gay for Shawn Michaels.

(02:14:50):
And I remember when Shawn Michaels came back and he
was wrestling. I was like, damn, is Sean's starting to
go a little bald. No he's not. No, he's not.
I'm like, Therego, it's okay, man, it happens to the
best of us. I'm like, for God's sake, look at
me my hair, And at this point my hair was

(02:15:11):
starting to thin out. I'm like, dude, it's okay. It
happens to the best. It's like I'm looking at it
clear as day. I'm like, it's standing out in the
front and he's standing out on his crown. No, he's not. No,
it's just wet. It's just he didn't he didn't get
the opportunity to just really put it all like, how
how much more does he need to do? He's just

(02:15:31):
putting it back in a ponytail, dude, Like I used
to put my hair back in a ponytail and it
would be all intact, like he's going bald you know,
he's not. No, he's not. And uh, even when like
more years have progressed past that, it was like, uh, hey, hey, diego,
he's uh, he's definitely getting that bald on there, isn't

(02:15:52):
he No, he's not. You know, he's still cool. He's
he's still sewing Michaels man. Leave him alone, watch the wrestling.
And it's like, all right, dude, all right whatever. But
like you could, you could not say anything wrong about
about Sewn Michaels because he was just Google gagay. And

(02:16:12):
I recognize that most people aren't like me, you know,
at least as big of a fan as I am.
At least I'm willing to admit as a hardcore fan. Thanks,
have you to think about retiring dude like most people,
because most people are gonna want to relive. Yes, there,
and I get that. I get that. But when you're
watching somebody like I'll give you a perfect example of

(02:16:34):
an act where I go, man, this is heartbreaking the watch.
I can't believe I'm hearing this. I'll give you two examples.
Cheap Trick the Flame, one of my all time favorite
power ballads from back in the eighties.

Speaker 3 (02:16:51):
Actually, I like that song too.

Speaker 1 (02:16:52):
Oh try watching them perform that song now.

Speaker 3 (02:16:56):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
Or is that a struggle? I bet like it is
such a struggle. It's like, have you guys considered retiring
that from your playlist?

Speaker 4 (02:17:06):
Because if you, yeah, but it's probably one of their
most popular songs.

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
Yeah, so that's why they still.

Speaker 1 (02:17:11):
Do it, right, And if they do do it, they
let the they let the fans sing it. They obviously
can't sing it no more, not right. And then and
then who's the guy that sings into the night?

Speaker 3 (02:17:25):
Benny Benny Mendoza.

Speaker 1 (02:17:27):
Yeah, man, I remember you saying the man anybody that
has not seen him? That is heartbreaking to watch because
I remember, like, there's this one joint where he goes,
and a couple of years after that he died. That's
the real fucked up part too.

Speaker 5 (02:17:45):
But he goes, I just want to let you guys know,
this will be the very last time that I perform
into the night and you hear some of the crowd
members they go no.

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
Oh no, like and it's legit, no oh no. And
the backup band that he has, they play the song
just like you know, and you know, you know, you
know me. I am a stickler for detail. I can't
stand it when a band doesn't when when when an

(02:18:19):
artist does not evolve and they don't get with the
times and do like a nice uh upbeat updated version,
not an upbeat, but an updated version of a classic song.
Now what do I mean by that? Some of you
guys like, what do you mean by that? Exactly? Lee,
I'll give you a perfect example. Listen to the eighties
version of simply Reads holding back the years. Now, look

(02:18:45):
at the version he put out like some twenty something
years later when he did the Simplified album. He did
a great rendition of it. Still has the same jazz
effect and all that that, But in my personal opinion,
the version that's one the simplified album sounds ten times

(02:19:05):
better than what he put out back in the eighties.
Same deal for Simply Red's Sad Old Red, I think
off the same album from back in the day that
was critically acclaim did a nice reinterpretation of that song, right,

(02:19:26):
I'm not a fan of acts that just recycled the
same song, same hook, same beat. And so here's Barry,
you know, fucking guy in the background on the little
piano or whatever. And you're like, okay, well, he's kind
of capturing that eighties vibe. Oh okay, all right, here
we go, Here we go. I mean, I'm watching him,

(02:19:48):
and you know, he's old, and he's shaking, and he's
holding onto the microphone and his hands are just shaking,
and I'm just like, man, is he even really going
to be able to sing this song? And then he
goes ahead and he starts singing, and I'm not making
fun of him, but he just.

Speaker 6 (02:20:09):
Just sixteen years old.

Speaker 1 (02:20:14):
Leave her a lord, they shame.

Speaker 5 (02:20:21):
If you guys know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
The lyrics, you can help me. And it's like, help you,
how about you don't sing it? Memory ruined? I feel
so heartbroken.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
Yeah, no, I hear.

Speaker 4 (02:20:36):
That, you know, And it's and it's actually as someone
who has grown up, you know, hearing that song, loving
that song to them see it song so many years later,
and it's.

Speaker 3 (02:20:51):
Just for lack of for and I know better words, butchered.

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
And it looked like he was singing this song at
like a Bengal hall or like or like somebody's fucking
wedding reception of like twenty people. I mean, it was
a bad scenery. It was a bad fucking scenery. Right,
So when I see guys like Bruce Springstein still going
out there kicking ass, rolling stones, Mick Jagger going out

(02:21:20):
there kicking ass, I'm going, that's how you do it,
you know, and you're still able to do it at
the highest quality that's possible. God bless you. Like that's
that's that's how you want to do it. Alice Cooper was,
you know, still going out there and fucking crushing. It's like,
that's that's how you do it. So I can't wait

(02:21:42):
to see what happens with Motley Crue. I can't wait
to see what happens with de Snyder and Twist's sister,
one of my all time favorite acts. So we'll see
what happens with them. As we get ready to wind
it down, one other thing I want to bring to
you guys attention. I'm gonna mention this and it's gonna

(02:22:02):
be like, wait, what, nothing to go overkill about. But
apparently there is going to be some changes in the
Oscars coming up next year. So here's your rundown on that.
This sounds so fucking stupid when you hear this too,
So check this out, y'all. The Oscars now are implementing

(02:22:24):
this rule where they are requiring all voters to watch
all the nominated films. Whereas the way for it, wait
for it, I'm getting ready to tell you guys, that
sounds really stupid, right hang on.

Speaker 3 (02:22:41):
Hang no, it doesn't actually hang on.

Speaker 1 (02:22:43):
Whereas before what they were doing they were following the
social trends and basically what was popular, and that's basically
how they were voting.

Speaker 3 (02:22:53):
Well, hell, that's biased.

Speaker 4 (02:22:54):
Yeah wow yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:59):
Now do you guys understand why I never watched the Oscars.
I don't need somebody, you know, a group of people
to tell no. I can just you know, hey, hon,
what you know? What? What? What? What's your friend or
what's what's your family saying about? You know? Or you
just hop on social media and you're like, what's got
everybody talking? Like I will give more credence to that

(02:23:21):
shit than I would with a fucking Awards ceremony, Like
fuck that shit. Okay. So now now they're now they
are all being forced to watch the films that are nominated.
That's just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (02:23:38):
Well if you're a judge.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Yeah, Also, the Academy is now taking a more stronger
look at movies that are incorporating AI. So basically what
that means is before like if you were able to
shoot something, you know, basically entirely with like AI, you know,

(02:24:01):
and it's like, okay, cool. Now, the way that the
Oscars have this structured, it's they are going to take
into consideration how much AI is being used to make
this movie. But they really care a great deal about
the human aspect of editing producing. They care more greatly.

(02:24:24):
So basically, the higher that is, the better and the
chances that maybe your shit will get nominated. And so
they're definitely looking at that as well. So I hear that,
and you know, again, this isn't long winded. I just

(02:24:45):
go you just gave me examples why I don't care
about you guys. You know, there's always been There's always
been biases. It goes as far back. I remember when
it came to one of my all time favorite movies,
American Beauty.

Speaker 3 (02:25:01):
With Kevin space Oh I remember that story.

Speaker 1 (02:25:03):
Okay, for newer listeners, I'll tell it in a nut show.
We had the year an the Academy Awards, Oscars and
all that ship that basically American Beauty, great film starring
Kevin Spacey. Wasn't Warren Bady's wife in that movie too?
Benning was in that movie too. Yes, yes, she was

(02:25:23):
in that movie too. She was in that movie. To
Kevin Spacey plays this, uh, this father who has like this,
this father slash husband has like this great life, nice
white suburbian neighborhood. He's got a lot of he must
live in Montgomery County, Maryland. White privilege, you know, white
rich county, Hio. Like how I like how? I like how?

(02:25:49):
That just like fullback circle of storytelling there. And he
has this midlife crisis and you know, he's buying new
cars and all this, and he ends up flirting with
his daughter's girlfriend, who is like I don't know how
old she was in that movie. I don't know if

(02:26:10):
she was like pretending to be fifteen, sixteen seventeen, I
don't know, but he has like this serious midlife crisis.
This film was polarizing. I mean, beautifully well written, directed,
all that shit. If you guys have never seen American Beauty,
would highly encourage you guys to check it out. You'll

(02:26:32):
think you'll thank me later. That movie should have won,
and it did not. You know what won that year?
You know what won that year. I should not be
suffering from the Mendela effect. I don't believe. I am well.
One that year would beat American Beauty was fucking Gladiator.

(02:26:56):
Fucking Gladiator. Now, look, I watch Gladiator in the theaters.
Gladiator was a damn good movie. But Gladiator compared to
American Beauty, it's like, well, wait a minute, we're talking
about a hack and slash versus And I think it
mainly had to do with the themes that was covered
in American Beauty and just the fact that we had

(02:27:18):
this older man that tried doing what he was doing
with his daughter's friend. I think those were just that
was pushing the boundaries a little bit too far, that
was a little bit too out of the box. So
if I were to sum it up for you guys,
I would say I would say that movie was extremely taboo,

(02:27:42):
taboo to the point just think that respect the year
if it was Broke Back Mountain. Yeah, like no chance
in hell Gladiator wins. Like okay, it was kind of
one of those type of deals.

Speaker 4 (02:27:57):
But like when it did win multiple other awards, Yeah,
it just didn't win Best Most Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
Yeah, I just said from that moment on, I said
fuck them. I said, I said fuck them, like they
you know, I'll just rely on my friends and family
to tell me what's going on. Also, some interesting news
on Power So we finally got the first trailer for

(02:28:25):
Power Force that is out right now for you guys
to consume. It's about thirty seconds long. Not really much
you can, you know, wrap your lips around, but looks good.
Looks promising. Pops up in November. Series returns in November.
Also got some Saturday Night Live news as a boatload

(02:28:50):
of talents are rolling out left and right. This is
just with the latest being ug Go Nordom. She is
making her shocking exit from SNL after seven years. She
announced on Friday that she would not be returning to

(02:29:12):
the NBC Sketch Series for an eighth season, saying, in part,
the hardest part of a great party is knowing when
to say good night. But after seven unforgettable seasons, I've
decided to leave SNL. I'm immensely grateful to Lauren Michaels
for the opportunity, to my castmates, the writers, and the
crew for their brilliance, support and friendship. She shared this

(02:29:36):
on a Instagram story post. Rumor she joined the NBC
Sketch series as a featured player back in twenty eighteen,
before being elevated to a regular cast member in twenty twenty.
For those of you that's not quite picture in the face,
she basically was known for her Dion Warwick skits. She

(02:29:57):
also did some really good Jenny Jackson ski it's as well.
So you know you're you're keeping track of this, Let's
not forget. It was just about two and a half
almost three weeks ago that Emil was King announced on
Instagram that he received a call saying he was being

(02:30:18):
let go from Saturday Night Live. And then the next
day after that, Michael Longfellow wrote on social media that
he was not invited back for a fourth season of SNL,
that same day. Heidi Gardner, She's the one that you've
been seeing running around in the ding Dong homes dot

(02:30:38):
com commercials. She announced that she was leaving after eight seasons.
So you know, if you're keeping track, you know you
might not know or watch enough episodes of SNL like that.
But to lose, but to lose I'm blanking out on

(02:30:59):
the name. Forgive me the to lose Heidi and then
to lose I go in the same right, That's just
that's a big blow. You know, I haven't seen anything
of this magnitude in quite some time, I gotta say

(02:31:20):
to you guys. And then also writer Chelsea Ym she
announced that she was exiting the show. Now. Earlier in
the month, SNL announced five feature players that are joining
the cast for the new season. Now, if you're keeping
track of diversity, you know that on SNL that's been really,

(02:31:46):
really sketchy. Shout out to Variety, As Variety put out
a report that talked about how of the said one
hundred and seventy two comedian on the show since creator
Lauren Michaels launched it back in nineteen seventy five, only

(02:32:06):
eight of those comics have been black women. Yvonne Hudson
joined the show in nineteen eighty The Nontra Vance followed
in nineteen eighty five. Both of those women only lasted
one season. Armagaddon actress Eleene Claihorn appeared on the series

(02:32:29):
from nineteen ninety one to ninety five and was the
first black woman to make it past the first season.
And then of course we have the great Maya Rudolph.
You know, she went from two thousand to two thousand
and seven, and we know the type of career that
she had after that. Shasher Zamata appeared on SNL from

(02:32:51):
twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen. Since then, she's had parts
on several TV shows, including Tracy Morgan's The Last Og.
Then we really got a spike like as far as
like a great successor, Tamaya Rudolph Leslie Jones. She was
on there from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen. She's going

(02:33:12):
on to have a pretty, you know, decent career. Punky
Johnson appeared on the series from twenty twenty to twenty
twenty four. She most recently had a recurring role on
the Showtime drama The Shy, And then of course Ego Nodm,
who you know, just wrapped up after a couple of

(02:33:33):
years there. But she's doing pretty good so far, according
to her IMDb page that included the film Gabby's Dollhouse,
the movie alongside SNL alum Kristen wigg and Little Brother
with John Cena, Christopher Maloney. You know, so she's you know,
she's coming along, She's coming along. But you know, we've

(02:33:55):
seen this happen. There's usually that period where SNL is
not money for X amount of years and then they
get like two three impact players where you go, Okay,
I gotta I gotta watch because you know, but you know,
in the more later years, let's really be honest with ourselves.
Who's really watching SNL for the cast members? You're right,

(02:34:18):
I mean, let's be honest. You're really watching SNL for
if not the musical guests, Uh, you're watching for whoever
the host is. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's that's
really the truth. That's really the truth. And if you
happen to find somebody that's kind of funny along the way,

(02:34:38):
then that's really then that's a bonus. Right. Other than that,
let's close out. You got a pet peeve, you want
to talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:34:50):
So it's been a pet peeve of mine for quite
some time.

Speaker 4 (02:34:56):
But in today's stay in age, it's become more of
a pet peeve because so many people don't do it anymore.
And I don't know if it's at this point it's
society or just it's you know, gotten to that point

(02:35:18):
where it's a you know, a social disengagement. But basically
my pet peeve, guys, is when you go somewhere doesn't
even matter where, and you essentially are in the midst
of doing something, whether you're in line and check out,

(02:35:41):
or you are walking past looking at this or that
or the third, and the person that is standing next
to you, behind you, or in front of you literally
cuts you off, bumps into.

Speaker 3 (02:35:57):
You, or any version of.

Speaker 4 (02:36:02):
The two that I just described, and does not say
excuse me.

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
It's just common courtesy.

Speaker 4 (02:36:13):
At least for me, it is that's the way I
was I was raised, and it just irks me out.

Speaker 3 (02:36:20):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (02:36:20):
I just can't tell you how much because it just
feels like you do not care about me as a
person to be to be nice enough to say, oh,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:36:34):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:36:34):
So basically the reason that this was brought up and
the reason that it had come to the forefront of
my mind was I literally was at our logo Walmart.

Speaker 3 (02:36:45):
Okay, there, there's probably your first thing, right but.

Speaker 1 (02:36:54):
Can I just can I just that's your first mistake
right there, That's what I'm saying. That's your first not
see if you would have been at Amazon Fresh or
you would have been at Wemans.

Speaker 6 (02:37:05):
Oh, I am so sorry. Are you okay? Oh my god,
I didn't see you there. I am so sorry. How
are your shoes? Are they okay? What about your feet?
Are they okay?

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
Oh my god, I am so sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:37:25):
Anyway, So I literally am in line, guys.

Speaker 1 (02:37:34):
You want to take my phone?

Speaker 3 (02:37:35):
Not even and it's not even bye bye somewhat the patrons, right,
this is the staff.

Speaker 4 (02:37:50):
In the same time, I'm literally waiting in line, and
the cashier literally is just like, I gotta do what
the fuck I got I do? So, I mean you
gonna stand there you ain't, And both of them proceed
to essentially bump into me or literally be within two

(02:38:13):
sneezes away and not say excuse me, pardon me, or anything,
And to me, guys, I just just bothers me. It's
just a pet peeve of mine that I don't think
will ever go away.

Speaker 1 (02:38:33):
Look, let me tell you something, and you dare not
and you dare not confront them because, gee, heaven forbid,
they shoot you in the neck.

Speaker 3 (02:38:43):
Bad joke.

Speaker 1 (02:38:44):
Well, it's the truth, because you don't know what's going on.
I'm being Noah, I wasn't even trying to tell a joke.
I'm being did serious. In this day and age in society,
you gotta be careful because you know, again, heaven forbid,
they shoot you in the neck because you don't know.
Some of these motherfuckers got a screw loose.

Speaker 3 (02:39:07):
Yeah, heaven forbid.

Speaker 1 (02:39:08):
You stand your ground and you try to do the
right thing, and you tell the motherfucker yo, excuse me.
Can't you see me standing right here?

Speaker 3 (02:39:14):
What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
You don't know, You don't know if they got a
knife and they're gonna shank you g ass, they gonna
pull out a gun.

Speaker 3 (02:39:22):
And you can't confront people. No, you don't.

Speaker 1 (02:39:26):
Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.
I had did this And if you think my joke
and my timing was bad, oh my god. One of
my favorite comedians. This dude is really catching fire, and
I mean that in the most positive way. I think
the world of this guy. This guy is fucking hilarious.

(02:39:47):
I want to see this guy whenever he comes over
here on the East Coast. He he is funny. He
is very, very funny. I you can see this guy
with the right management team behind him. If he could
somehow get Dave Chappelle's people, I think he will be

(02:40:11):
right up there. Some people may already feel he's already there,
but I don't think he's quite there yet. I think
this guy could be on the Dave Chappelle level. I
think he will eventually be a recipient of a Mark
Twain Award because he is that damn good as a

(02:40:31):
comedian and very seldom well I seen the praises of
a comedian. You've been listening to me, yeah, if you've
been listening to me for a long time, very seldom
will I like go to bat for a comedian. Sammy
obeide that spelled ob Ei d Look that guy up.

(02:40:54):
I mean, not for nothing, but his YouTube channel for example,
dudes got over four hundred and forty five thousand subscribers.
And you know, he he is really really good. He
is the king of tackling hecklers. He he is the
king of tackling hecklers. But I'm saying that right now.

(02:41:20):
He put out a video talking about the whole Charlie
Kirk assassination and all that, because right now, that's what
I was watching the other night and I was laughing, Yeah,
Oh my god, that dude. Humorous that that that dude.
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (02:41:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:41:40):
Like when I'm telling you, when you watch that, dude,
you're gonna you're gonna be like Lee. It's the funniest
ship that you. You recommend it. You'll thank me later,
I promise you. But I'm looking forward to getting some
tickets to see. As a matter of fact, if I
remember right, I think he's gonna be doing something in
late October or November out here, not that I'm thinking
about it. Yes, I think he's doing something at Howard

(02:42:03):
University if I'm not mistaken. So I don't know. Maybe
maybe we might be able to we'll talk about it
off air. But anyway, let me tell you something. I
was doing a delivery run about a month and a
half two months ago, and I was out in Northwest

(02:42:23):
d C. I had to pick up like two items
for a customer had a safeway. It was the safe
way down Georgetown. So one of the things that this
customer wanted was coffee mate creamer and actually not I

(02:42:46):
think about it, they wanted. All they wanted was two
coffee Mate creamers. Oh, add some pads. Okay, so you're
able to figure out you know what that what that
was about? Right? All right? No better way to check
off the morning. You know, you got yourself, you know,
get your coffee, a little cranky and all that. You know,

(02:43:08):
stay up to date with your pads, like I get
it right that time of the month, I get it.
So I'm standing in front of the refrigerated section and
I'm trying to see which creamer I'm supposed to get
for this woman. Okay, this goes to what you just

(02:43:31):
talked about. I'm probably about maybe I would say, a
foot to a foot and a half away from the
refrigerated door. Next thing, I know, this Asian guy actually no,
he looked biracial, so he looked half American, half Asian.

(02:43:56):
He could maybe be mistaken for half American half Hispanic too.
But this biracial dude with long brown hair down to
his shoulders, he fucking just jumps in front of me.
I mean, his hair whipping my face as he goes

(02:44:20):
and tries to open the door. And I promise you
I'm not exaggerating. If I would have continued to stand
right there, he would have hit me with the door.
So I had to quickly move to my left as
this dude is opening the door and he is just

(02:44:40):
buried into his phone as he is trying to find
whatever item he's trying to find for his customers, so
you could tell he was instacart shopping. And only after
he did what he did does he do a half
ass look over his shoulder in my direction, kind of

(02:45:04):
trying to see where I am, and then continues to
do what he was doing. I uh uh. You know,
one of my favorite Boondogs episodes is when Hughet goes
and now it's time for a nigga moment. I almost
had a nigga moment, you know, and then I was

(02:45:28):
just picturing Riley in the background. Damn, nigga, how come
you then fucking lay that bitch ass nigga right here
on the spot used to pussy ass bitch, you know, like,
and I was I was ready to like, I was
ready to check make this motherfucker. But then I just said,

(02:45:52):
you know what, it's okay, it's four in the morning.
I ain't got time for this. I'm good, but I
was pissed. I can't. I kept be moving along. I
kept be moving along. First thing I said to myself,
I said, I'm at a Safeway, you know, which, for

(02:46:14):
those of you that don't know, Safeway is basically equivalent
to a a giant food store, a Kroger, a Jewels,
a giant food.

Speaker 3 (02:46:24):
Local, non.

Speaker 4 (02:46:30):
Commercialized, you know, like it's not across the US right
local grocers.

Speaker 1 (02:46:36):
Right right, Because I knew automatically, like if I was
at Amazon Fresh or Wegman's like that, I wouldn't have
dealt with that. No, I would have got a oh
excuse me, you know yeah, or something along those lines.
I don't know what it is about, like places like Walmart,

(02:46:58):
Aldy for that matter, everybody else just you know, everybody
is just.

Speaker 3 (02:47:05):
Let me get my ship.

Speaker 1 (02:47:06):
I gotta admit going to a Walmart and Aldi, I'm
always left filling the creeps. I don't know what it is,
but I'm always left kind of you know.

Speaker 4 (02:47:17):
Somebody took the car and ran into one of our
local Aldies. Like literally busted out the whole wall with
their car.

Speaker 1 (02:47:27):
For what reason.

Speaker 3 (02:47:28):
Oh, I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (02:47:29):
Oh okay, I was about to say.

Speaker 3 (02:47:32):
Like their car wasn't even a little bit in a little.

Speaker 1 (02:47:35):
Bit it was. I was about to say, damn, is
that what happens when you don't have any dollar banquet mills?

Speaker 4 (02:47:46):
Either that or you decide you don't want to pay
for a shopping cart.

Speaker 1 (02:47:52):
Yeah, that too, shit Jesus Christ. Hey, some quick programming notes.
I'll be back with you guys on on Monday. We
will talk more for sure, because we didn't talk about
it here. I will go in depth one my thoughts
about the latest Worlds Collide Las Vegas event. We'll also

(02:48:12):
talk SmackDown as brock Lesnar had a pretty hilarious skit
there with Ron Killings. Also sound off Ron Sena as
he wants to be called now Ron Sena. I'll also
sound off about Andrade being released by WWE and what

(02:48:34):
exactly that means for him in his future. By the way,
I'm finding it hilarious everybody reacting to andre Day's release,
and I'm just like, is anybody going to address the
elephant in the room?

Speaker 3 (02:48:47):
You didn't care you didn't care about that man before.

Speaker 1 (02:48:51):
That's why I'm saying, like, you guys didn't care about
him before. Now you all know who you are, Like
you didn't care about him before? Why y'all going, oh
my god, why and all this other like it's I
can't wait to dive into that. It's pretty hilarious. We'll
also talk about the fall off from this Monday's WWE

(02:49:11):
raw as well. Monday Show is now available for on
demand on the downloads. I apologize for the delay. I
did not get around uploading it till Friday. Yeah, I
was busy with class work, so I'm still trying to adjust. Guys.

(02:49:32):
It's been going pretty good. Nothing new has uh. I'm
still going with the with the emotions really right now.
I enjoy going there doing my classes, but you know,
when it comes to interacting with fellow classmates, trying to
work on projects together, you know, conversating, I'm struggling with that.

(02:50:00):
I think that I'm doing wrong. But it's like everybody's
in their own little zone. So I think many of
the students are intimidated by me because they're able to
look at me and they know I'm an older student.
So I think it's kind of one of those well
he already knows the answers, so you know, he's an

(02:50:22):
older person, so fuck him, you know. And so I'm
kind of I'm kind of adjusting. It's a little challenging.
I'm trying to adjust to that. But yeah, show was
not put up until Friday, so it's kind of why
we went a little bit longer on this episode for
you guys. Kind of give you guys a nice little

(02:50:43):
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(02:51:03):
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