S12, Ep. 26: Make My Publisher Happy, Get "The Rise Of The Liberty Loving Latino"

On this Salcedo Storm Podcast:

Mathew Klickstein is an American screenwriter, journalist, author, and playwright. He helped me organize the new book, The Rise of the Liberty Loving Latino, a New American Revolution.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Both says, you know. I do the television show, I
do the radio show, I do the podcast for the audience. Yes,
I have a conservative point of view. Yes I'd like
to get it out there. But the reason why I
espouse what I espouse, the reason why I put myself
out in public, The reason why I do these things
is because I have a sense of duty I don't know,

(01:06):
to get out to all of you the best information
that I can so you can make informed decisions as Americans,
and because I believe in what we espouse as conservatives,
as constitutional conservatives. So that's the long and short of
way I do what I do here is for my countrymen,

(01:28):
for the survivability of the United States, for the survivability
of a free and prosperous people. All that being said,
that's why I'm hoping that you will indulge me taking
this podcast. Talk a little bit about me and a
new book coming out called The rise of the liberty

(01:48):
loving Latin know a new American revolution. This book, it is,
it's something I've wanted to write for a long time.
I have written another book book called Liberty Rises You
sensing the theme that the liberty theme and also the
rising theme. And at any rate, the first book I

(02:09):
wrote was an act of fiction, my two great loves,
conservatism and science fiction melding into one. And that's kind
of an iron Rand meets Stargate meets Star Wars kind
of adventure type novel. And I wrote it very much

(02:30):
like a script, a script to a movie, so that
a lot of the descriptions I give give you a
framework and allow your imagination to fill in the rest.
And that's kind of how I wrote it. So that's
the act of fiction. The one that I wanted to
do that wasn't fiction was based on a long held belief,

(02:50):
which is this current book which is going to drop
on December ninth. This is a long held belief of
mine that my experience as a conservative is not unique.
That if you talk about the issues and not the
political parties, if you talk about the issues that are
most important to Latinos, to Hispanics, you're going to find

(03:11):
that the vast majority of them have very little in
common with today's modern socialist Democrat party. It just when
you start getting into the real world application of government
of their view, the left's view of government, the left's
totalitarian views of government, and our view of government. Not conservatives,

(03:36):
but Latinos. The reason why so many of our forefathers
came here. They came here for the opportunity to breathe free.
And they can recognize, in particular with our Kubano friends,
they can recognize right away when somebody in on board
with that agenda, that whole freedom agenda. So I've been

(03:56):
a long time believer that there is a fundamental underpinning
in most of the Latino cultures, in the Hispanic cultures
that come from various parts of the world and come
here to the United States of America. And I thought
that would find expression sooner or later, And it happened now.

(04:20):
It happened in the twenty twenty four election with President
Donald J. Trump showing a contrast to the Latino community, saying, hey,
I want you on board. I think you're on board
with me. You know what life was like with me
in the White House, and you know what life was
like with Beijing, Biden in the White House. I mean,
just go ahead and do the math, kids, Just go

(04:41):
ahead and do the comparative analysis. And we Latinos did.
And there were so many other factors, I mean, the
left going violent, the left going lawless, the left going
full tilt anti science, Boso crazy, all of these factors
that Latino said, wait a minute, I have. I have

(05:03):
nothing in common with these people. I have nothing in
common with democrats, socialists. I don't know where these people's
heads are at other than up their asses. And aside
from the whole, you know, men can have babies, that
women can be men, men can be women, the attacks
on the Catholic Church, the attacks on God. Aside from
all of that, you had the massive illegal immigration which

(05:26):
was just destroying Latino communities, and the economic decisions that
were being made. It just made it harder and harder
and harder to make ends meet for Latinos. And we
got it. Thus the book that I wrote, finally, after
ten years of gathering my thoughts, the data, the way

(05:50):
to approach these these issues through the Chrisalsado shows on
television and radio and developing these concepts, finally it all
came together with the election of President Donald J. Trump
and a massive massive changeover from the Democrats Socialist Party
to well, I can't say Republicans to the America First banner.

(06:14):
Latinos voted for Republicans because that was their only choice,
but they weren't voting for Republicans or any vision the
Republican Party had, per se. It was all President Trump.
It was all his vision, his America First ideals, him
saying look, I want your country to be great again

(06:35):
for your kids, and it resonated with a lot of us. Thus,
I put pen to paper and The Rise of the
Liberty Loving Latino comes out December ninth, and you can
preorder it now and save yourself a couple of bucks
on Amazon. But the process that I went through, as
you know podcast Hello, radio show, and the television show,

(06:59):
I have a a lot of stuff to do, you know,
Monday through Friday on my nine to five. So writing
a book that was going to entail you know, ten
plus years of the show's plus incorporate all the data
and the concepts and everything that the show has been about,
and meld it in with what Latinos were doing. Written
large in the context of an election that took some doing,

(07:23):
and I needed help organizing my thoughts, organizing chapters, and
getting it down to something that was a manageable book
that wouldn't take you ten years to read. So the
guy that helped me do that, I want to introduce
you to him and let you know what the process
was like. That's coming up on the Salcedo Storm podcast.
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Speaker 1 (11:21):
The Republican Party has not been according itself. Well I
said on the introduction that when President Trump got a
lot of votes from a lot of Americans, including those
in the so called minority communities, they didn't switch their
votes from Democrat to Republican because of some Republican Party

(11:41):
vision for America, because there hasn't been much of one,
they switched over for Trump, and only for President Trump.
I'm sad to report that. I think a lot of
Americans just don't really care about what's going on inside
the Republican Party. You know what, there's a group of
people out there who are starting to care and who
are exponentially growing and becoming a growing concern for the left.

(12:07):
It's the liberty loving Latino. The rise of the liberty
loving Latino. I wrote about it in my new book.
It's dropping on December ninth. Now. As I have told you, folks,
this book has been a culmination of the foundation of
the Chris Salsado Show in radio form and television form,
the Salsado Storm podcast. Everything has been crammed into this

(12:30):
little book. And there was no way in hell I
was going to be able to do it alone, and
A with my schedule and B just organizing everything was
going to be a daunting task. And so I reached
out to a god in the name of Matthew Klickstein.
He's an American screenwriter, a journalist, an author, playwright. He
helped me organize the book The Rise of the Liberty

(12:52):
Loving Latino, a New American Revolution. He joins me, Now, hey.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Man, welcome, Hey Chris, thanks for having me on the show.
I really appreciate and no, and.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
What, I appreciate the work you did. And you know what,
after all of the conversations you and I have had
and focused on the book, we you and I never
went over your process and I and maybe I was
just saving it for this this type of interview because
you had one hell of a task which was helping
me to bring in and you and I, I guess

(13:22):
I'll let the folks know. You and I had scheduled
several over the course of weeks and months, several one
hour talking sessions about and to what you recorded, and
you and I would talk about concepts and everything I
wanted to lay out in the book. And those one
hour sessions often exceeded the one hour because we would
get into these discussions and they were often many talk

(13:45):
shows in and of themselves. But I just wanted you
to describe your process of taking that breadth of experience
and condensing it into a condensing it into a book
that made sense and flowed.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yes, and we also as you might recall, we had
quite a time crunch, as your listeners can imagine, when
you're working on a book like this and we're dealing
with very topical issues, a lot of it revolving around
the election of Donald Trump, why he was elected, why

(14:21):
there was such a referendum on everything that had been
going on over the past four years. Obviously the shifts
that were happening culturally with as you say, liberty loving
Latinos coming to the four and really helping Trump to
get elected, and really those first few weeks of Trump's presidency,

(14:44):
which we were still covering as we were finishing the book.
I mean, that was just a constant chasing as far
as everything was changing, and you know, we really wanted
to make sure the book was going to be as
up to date as possible. So the beat in which
you and I had to work was quite daunting. But
you're a professional, I'm a professional, and we were able

(15:06):
to do it, and you're right, a lot of it
is this is not my first rodeo. In fact, Chris,
as you know this yours is one of three books
that I worked on this year. As far as being
a ghostwriter or a co writer or an editor. And
really what it comes down to is I work in
the way that's similar to I hate to say it

(15:27):
in an LLM, you know, or a chat GPT. I
like to scrape the brains, if you will, of the
people I work with, like yourself. And as you said,
that happens through a series of interviews. So I will
do these interviews. I will ask the questions, I will
do the follow up. Then I take that material the
hours on end that we might have ten hours, twenty

(15:49):
hours of interviews over a course of a few weeks
or a course of a few months, whatever it might be,
and I curate it. I organized it very very much,
you know, for good or rail the way in LM
does a large language model or a chat GPT type
of a format, and curate it accordingly. I take out
any redundancies, I might fix any contradictions. I do follow

(16:10):
ups with my authors, such as yourself, to make sure
that everything is correct. So I really see myself in
this regard as less of an actual writer per se
and more of almost a documentary editor, where I'm asking questions.
I take that content or material, I rework it, I
organize it, I curate it again. I work out any

(16:31):
redundancies or contradictions, and then I have a draft that
I'm ready to show to the author. In this case,
you you tell me any notes that you might have,
any tweaks, you might want to make, any updates, and
then we kind of do a little bit of a
ping pong of back and forth to make sure the
book is exactly what it is that you want it
to be. But really, I'm taking the material you already

(16:51):
have in your head, so to speak, right working it
into what the final book will be.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
And see that, And that, to me, that was the
That was the if I had if we had just transcribed,
removed all the redundancies that you would already mentioned, if
you and I had just transcribed the conversations you and
I and by the way, you actually contributed, uh. Because
I would offer a stat or a real world application

(17:18):
that was developed either in the show, the television show,
the radio show, the podcast, and then you would say, oh,
that's just like and then I'm like, oh wow. I
would go check out something that you would offer and
say do we do we include it? Do we not?
So we in most cases we did just as a
way to introduce more pop culture references and more more
statistical references in the book. But to me, it was

(17:41):
if we had included just transcribed are our hours upon
hours upon hours of interviews, this book would have been
a thousand pages long.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
I mean, so there was a lot of material, and
we had another probably two or three more books, and
who knows, maybe we'll work that out later down the road.
I do also appreciate your saying what you just said, Chris.
I like to offer when I can, especially I focus
normally on pop culture history projects. This was actually one
of the few times where I was working with somebody

(18:12):
who's a political commentator, a social commentator, such as yourself.
Typically I'm working on books about Nickelodeon, the Simpsons, cartoons,
old TV shows, movies. So this was a really great
challenge for me. But it was also a way to
expand what it is that I normally do. And I
enjoyed very much working with you. You know, we obviously

(18:32):
don't agree on everything. We're not always going to agree
to you people are never going to agree on everything,
but it was great to kind of challenge each other
at times, and you know, I don't recall ever having
a single disagreement with you. Or an actual argument. We
might have said, well, should we do it like this?
Should we do it like that? We might have fascinated
back and forth about how to talk about a certain topic,
or again what should go in or what shouldn't. But

(18:54):
you're right, I was really happy to be able to
bring not just pop culture references, as you say, but
also you know, there might have been a news story
that happened that maybe you'd forgotten about or you didn't
know about, or that I didn't know about. So we
were kind of educating each other as we were going along,
because again, you know, not everyone's going to know everything.
So I think we helped each other to fill those gaps.

(19:14):
And that was a lot of fun too in the process.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
And you know what, you took me right where I
wanted to go because the concept of the book, because
as you rightly point out, a lot of your experience
has been in pop culture and in the entertainment realm,
and the idea of a Latino conservative has been so
antithetical to everything the culture has been, has been taught

(19:37):
or been told, but the likes of CNN, the mainstream press,
or inside the pop culture. How tough was it for
you to grasp on to the Wow, it's not just
Chris Salsato who is a conservative, a liberty loving Latino.
But we're talking now because of the evidence that you
were seeing that I was presenting in the book and
laying out, not to mention the election, that there was

(19:58):
this avalanche millions of liberty loving Latinos who were coming
to the four How tough was that for a guy
like you to like wrap your head.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Around, Well, Chris, I originally come from southern California, and
so first of all, I grew up with a lot
of people who were from the Hispanic community. I lived
more in La for a period of time. I would
go down to frankly Mexico, Tijuana and Rosarita and places

(20:27):
like that when I was younger, so I was pretty
familiar with the Hispanic community. And as you and I
talked about, Miss, you know, I've also traveled around the
country for the last ten or fifteen years, living in
all different places. And for a while I was living
in some of the big cities like La or New
York or Baltimore a few other places like that, but
then I really fell in love with some of these

(20:50):
smaller towns that I've been living in over the last
few years, Northern Colorado, Iowa City, Lawrence, Kansas, a few
places like that. And I got to meet people who
are more on the ground level, who are not living
in these huge collapsing, you know, metropolises that just have
been completely falling apart over the last few years, as
we all know. And I got to understand what it

(21:13):
was that we talk about in the book, and that
you've been talking about for such a long time, that
what you're right, what the mainstream media and pop culture
has been saying for the last years just does not
grow with what's actually happening on the ground level. And
just to wrap that up a little bit, I also
worked for about three years as a producer on a
show for Food Network, and I was actually working very

(21:35):
closely with independent business people and oftentimes multi generational families
who have these different independent restaurants around the country. And
that too taught me that, hey, there's something different going
on than what mainstream media or these late night talk
shows and you know, Stephen Colbert in the View and
these shows are saying because they don't know, they're not

(21:55):
connected to the regular everyday people. As I was getting
connected to working on this TV show or moving around
the country working in various media outlets myself. And so,
to answer your question, Chris, I was already kind of
familiar with and aware that a lot of what we
talk about in the book and a lot of what
you've been talking about the last two years was going on.

(22:16):
I just didn't have some of the confirmation that you
were giving me, or that we discussed with some of
the statistics and with what was going on from your
level as far as you being such a great outlet
for that, as far as the actual information, I was
getting all my information anecdotally and just traveling around the
country and meeting with these people. So I guess the
way to put it is it wasn't so much a

(22:38):
challenge for me to understand what you were talking about.
It was more of, oh, instinctually, I was already seeing
and feeling this for a few years now. I was
talking with and working with somebody who this is your
job is to talk about this, to understand it, to
know it, And it really just confirmed a lot of
what I was already seeing and hearing from my travels
around the country.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Matthew Klichstein as our guest right now, folks. American streen writer, journalist, author,
playwright helped me organize the book. The Rise of the
Liberty Loving Latino A New American Revolution, comes out on
December ninth, Folks. You can pre order right now on
Amazon and save yourself a couple of bucks. And after
Trump won, and because you and I were texting back

(23:16):
and forth, is this is folks? This is one of
these t up questions I already know the answer to
because we were in constant contact, Matthew and I as
President Trump won. Because that the main one of the
main frameworks of this book is my interview that I
sat down with President Trump before the election in Las
Vegas in October, and so that was part of the

(23:39):
basic framework of the book. And then he wins. So
what went through your mind about the project we had
just completed was in the editing process after Trump wins
and everything that you and I have been writing about
and introducing statistics, but also to be fair, because we
didn't know how the election was going to turn out.

(24:00):
What we had theorized was coming to pass, and how
did that grab you? Because I remember the text messages
that you and.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
I were we're.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Undertaking after he won go ahead.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, you know, obviously it was by Cameron. We were
both very excited because you know, I'm not a very
political person myself, to be perfectly want you know, I'm
just here to help you tell a story and to
tell it right. But it was exciting to see so
much of what you've been talking about and a lot
of the material you've given me, because in addition to
the interviews we did, you of course sent me articles

(24:36):
that you had written in the past. You had sent
me some podcast episodes to listen to and radio show
episodes to listen to, so I had material from you
from the past, and I'd also done some preparation work
already before we even really got into it, just so
I knew who you were and the kinds of work
that you did, so that I can be on your
same page. So to see that material and to see

(24:58):
how prescient and prophetic you were already going back even
a few years in fact, you know, I would imagine
we might talk about this too, but you know, you've
been talking about wanting to do a book like this
for a while, but you know, people weren't sure because well,
is this true and and what's he really saying? Here,
so to see that you were right, and to see

(25:18):
that the book that we were working on in real
time was becoming more and more prophetic and was becoming
more and more of a divining rod, and that no,
we're right here and you're right here, Chris was very exciting.
At the same time, the reason it's by camera is
at the same time, I was a little concerned because, boy,

(25:38):
this is moving so fast, and are we going to
be able to get this book out on time? And
are we going to be able to keep it as
topical and up to date, which I know we worked
very hard to do, yes, and working with you know,
the editors and that kind of thing to make sure
that would be the case. Because I was saying, wow,
we're we're right, and I hope that we can get
this out here soon enough, and I hope that we

(25:59):
can really, you know, talk about some of these issues
and topics that are changing every day. It was really
wild to see that. But I will say that we
were also very lucky, Chris that some of our dear
friends like Jasmine Crockett were just giving us more and
more material every single day to put into the book
and say, well, she's saying exactly what we're saying. They're saying.

(26:20):
She's actually saying and she's saying, you know, everyone should
go and attack people and hit you know, Avid, and
you know, they were actually saying the things that we
were saying. They were thinking. Now they were saying it
out loud. Yeah, people like Jasmine Crockett and Maxine Waters
and some of these others. So that was exciting to
see too, that they were actually playing into the pages

(26:40):
of our.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Book when when the returns were coming in. Folks, you
should have seen some of these these text messages between
Matthew and I because it was like, oh my gosh,
we wrote about this, we wrote about this, we wrote
about this. There's a there's a chapter on intersectionality, folks,
which which was well one of one of the main
reasons why the Liberty Liberty Loving Latino decided to part

(27:01):
ways with leftist and Marxist and the Democrat Party and
the avalanche of evidence post election that started rolling in
what we just wrote about was a particular interest to
both Matthew and myself. So let me ask you about
other projects you're working on now that The Rise the
Liberty Living Latino was due out a December ninth, and

(27:24):
what are the projects are you working on down the pipe.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Coincidentally, I also just finished another book with another Newsmax
featured player, Patrick Dorenson. These days, as num to plume
is the common Sense Cowboy. You have to be known
as the Libertarian Cowboy. He's on Carl Higbe's show a
lot and various other shows as a commentator, and we

(27:51):
just finished his book. Coincidentally, his book is coming out
the same day, December ninth, through Human Books, which is
actually Newsmax's internal publisher. Been great to work with. That
book is called The Common Sense Cowboys Guide to Life
with the subtitle of Stories from the Old Guy at
the End of the Bar. It's it's less political, uh,

(28:12):
it still deals a lot with traditional values.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
He's so funny. I love I love Patrick Dornson. He
comes on the show too.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Patrick Great. Oh, he's fantastic. He really is the Sam
Elliott character speaking of pop culture, he really is the
Sam Elliott character from The Big Lebowski. I mean that
was kind of once we both came to that conclusion
that that's what we should go for. That's when the
subtitle came out, The Old Guy at the end of
the bar and and that kind of thing. And yeah,
I think I think FANSI ers Chris are really going

(28:41):
to like Patrick's book. Again. It's called The Common Sense
Cowboys Delights. And what's nice about it is we broke
it up. It's different than your book, as each book
I work on, is we broke it up into little
sections where Patrick talks about different values and topics like
bravery and patriotism and faith. So you can almost flip
through it like a glossary. And we wrote it very

(29:03):
much like a chicken soup for the soul meets kind
of Tuesdays with Maury. And Patrick has lived so many
lives himself. He's in his seventies now. He's worked on
all these different political campaigns. He lived in Washington, VC
for a while in Sacramento. He has seen a lot
of the corruption and the venality and the cupidity of
the politics that you are talking about, right and so

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in your book and on your show and so, but
this is more of just kind of for people who
want something a little more relaxed and a little easier
and just kind of some some thoughts on life from
this guy who knows what he's talking about. So that's
coming out also Deceummer Night. I have another book that
I'm finishing right now with I live in northern Colorado,
as I mentioned, with a local whiskey distillery owner. He

(29:47):
actually used to be a pastor, so he went from
being a pastor to a whiskey guy, which is kind
of an interesting story and talks about that. We don't
have some of the specifics yet as far as publishing
and whatnot. We're wrapping that up right now and then
just real quick. Also, I just had two other books
come out earlier this year of my own, a graphic
novel called Daisy Goes to the Moon, which is kind

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of a wacky science fiction comedy, a little bit of everything,
but Daisy Goes to the Moon is that one. And
then a book of interviews with a man named Lloyd
Kaufman who was the creator of a film studio called Troma.
They made movies like The Toxic Avenger, which just got rebooted,
kind of some of the funny, goofy, sort of B
movies of the eighties and nineties. People like Trey Parker

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and Matt Stone came from that world. Eli Ross James Gunn,
of course, was Lloyd's main protege for a long time
James Gunn and went on to do all these movies
like super the Galaxy and recently Superman. Yeah, so that
book's out as well. Lloyd Kaufman Interviews. If anybody wants
to see any of my other project coming out soon
or what I'm working on, you can always just go

(30:53):
to my website just www dot Matthew with one T,
I mean t HW, clicksteam, kl ick s t e
I m dot com. Everything's there. And I'm also I
do speaking engagements and talk at colleges and things like
that and have a few events coming up in different
conventions and whatnot. And it's been a real pleasure working
with you, Chris. Like I said, this was something a

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little different from me. I normally don't really work in
the political ram realm. But it was fun. And what
was great about working with you, Chris, and why I
think people will enjoy this book, whether they like myself
or political or not, is we do kind of talk
about some of these issues in terms a lot of
times of pop culture, certain cartoons, movies, TV shows. So
we're really making the book be more accessible and easier

(31:38):
to read. You know, it's not going to be stereo instructions.
This is something and it's one of the ways that
you talk already, Chris. You are really accessible and relatable
and we put a lot of that into the book
for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Matthew Klickstein, he is an American screenwriter, folks, journalist, author, playwright,
and help me organize and put together The Rise the
Liberty Loving let that you know it's a new American
Revolution coming out out on December ninth, Matthew, appreciate the
time man.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Thank you Chris, as if.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
You hadn't heard it enough times already. Folks. The book
drops December ninth, and you can pick it up right
now on Amazon pre order. Save yourself some bucks, make
my publisher happy. And folks, I hope the book resonates
with you because we not only detail what the Democrat
Socialists did to cause this massive swing from the Latino

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community to the America First Coalition, we detail a path
forward on how if this stays, these trends hold and
the America First Coalition is able to make permanent their
presence in the Republican Party, it is going to mean
electoral victories for now for decades to come. So just

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keep that in mind. And until we visit again. My friends,
remember this, A society's worth isn't measured by how much
powers stolen by and out of control government. Society's worth
is measured by how much power is reserved for you
and me, we the people. You keep fighting for freedom
out there, my friends,