KCAA: The Scene with Doreen (Tue, 10 Jun, 2025)

KCAA: The Scene with Doreen on Tue, 10 Jun, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nineteen thirty two dot org, Hey USA, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Scene with Doreen. I'm your host, Dory Taylor,
setting the scene every week to help you find out
what's happening in music, TV, movies, sports, the arts, and
everything in between. We're proud to be syndicated on stations
coast to coast and originating right here in the City
of Brotherly Love and Philadelphia's number one talk radio station,
Talk eight sixty WWDB.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hey, USA, what's going on? Welcome to the scene with Dorin.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, doan what what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
You just did that?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, it's National start Over Day.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Oh, it's National start Over Day.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, celebrating you're.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Just going to redo the intro again? How many times
are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's? You know, as many times as I get the point,
you know, to everybody that it's National start Over Day.
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Oh well we started over there. I started off the
show with a start over.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I also wanted to do it this way because guess what,
this is the last time anyone is going to hear
the intro that we have except.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
For your podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, you know when replay City. But for anyone who
listening to a new show, fresh news show, this is
the this is the last time you're going to hear
that intro. We have a brand new one coming because
we're celebrating next week. Yes, yes, yeah, big milestone. I
didn't think i'd make it the song. No, No, honestly,

(01:44):
I don't know if you know, God didn't stop me.
I thought maybe i'd stopped myself by now, you know,
I really just I never I never thought I would
do it the song. I kind of just did it
as fun and I really had a good time, and
it just kind of took on a life of its own.
And here we are, undred hooked, one hundred episodes. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah, you got a good one today too.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh yeah, we're worried the next few weeks and next week,
my god, I can say it, you know, let's us
choose it. Next week on the show, we have the
incredible Yes actor Jeff Daniels coming on the show. That
is pretty amazing to be awesome to celebrate one hundred episodes.
What better guy to do one hundred?

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, he's been in a million different.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Million rachnophobia one of these like you know horror movies
back in the day, Purple Rosa Cairo. For the older generation,
I mean, he's been around forever.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, there's there's not one person listening to this show
that hasn't seen something with Jeff Daniels.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Any age group. That's it's kind of cool because there's
stuff on like streaming right now that he's doing and
that's pretty cool. So every generation could say, well, I
know him, but I know him from that, or I
know him from that. So yeah, you're gonna everybody can
listen next week and find something that they know.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Man, I really look forward
to this one.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And he's a musician too, and we do a lot
of musicians, so it's like he is, he's got a
lot of stuff going on. We talk a lot about
his music. I think too, we're gonna we're gonna hit
it on that.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
Yeah, speaking to me, today's guest is from I think
my favorite generation of music, my favorite decade of music.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You like the nineties, don't you.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Yeah, that's where my my formative years in high school.
That's where I went to high school.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
That was me too. I kind of liked, well, I
was big and grunge. So I was, you know, I
was a grunge kind of.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Child at flannels.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I did have flannels, and I was very depressed all
the time, so I kind of just spoke to me.
But I was really black hair. I did do that,
but later I did have jet black hair for a while,
and I'm you know, for people that maybe are living
under a rock, I am really blonde. So it was
a really odd look in college. I looked very sickly
because I'm very pale too, so it was like.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Goth Wednesday from ye.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, it was. I have one photo of me like that,
that is I keep it so like I don't do
it again as a reminder. But yeah, there's no record
of that anywhere. No, it is bad. I've been every
hair color, I've done everything, but blonde is me, and
that's where I'm staying. I think I think we'll see,
but we'll see.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
So you wake up one day and you're like to change.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
This up national start over day, I'll just figure I'll
shave it all off and we'll start again. Britney Spears,
I don't think that would be super I think.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
The ball Ahead might look a little like Britney Spears.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Everybody saw that. When I was young, everybody always said
that was my doppelganger. Eye was Britain and now she's
kind of oo. I don't know what's going on with her,
But back when we were both young, Yeah, we're sort
of around the scene that when I heard all the
time when I was later and I used to have
the blunt bang across just like she had the hair. Yeah.
When I would go film in La, I swear people
I'd walk on the street, people thought it was her.

(04:33):
They would look, they'd do a second, you know, and hey, you.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Have to practice the autograph.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, you'll see my thing on pawn Stars some day
and say this is that girl who was you know?
Impersonating her? It's worth nothing more.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Sometimes you see on uh on social media people will
take pictures thinking that they're with the actually person.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Always I could have played that. It could have made
some money on cameo and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I could.
I could see it. Yeah, but no, we have the
real people on this show. So yes, I think the
nineties were a great era of music. I my guest today,
I was going through for research and I forgot like
this hit. I knew the main hit, but then another hit,

(05:13):
another hit, another hit, and it's incredible. But the fiercely
independent band and to do all this as an independent band.
And yeah they were on a label, but they kept
it independent and to get their name out there like
that with all these hits, it's so amazing.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yeah, it's going to bring back a lot of memories
for people when they hear this.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and also to learn, like what made it all happen?
That's kind of what we do here. That's the best part.
That's the best part. You know, the hits, but you
don't know maybe why they're hits.

Speaker 8 (05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, it's not wasting any more time, No, I know
you want to get to this guy, Yes, definitely let go.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
My guest today on the scene with Doreen Rose to
musical stardom almost four decades ago. Toad the Wet Sprocket
dominated the early nineties with infectious hits like All I
Want Good Intentions, Walk on the Ocean, and Fall Down.
With the heartfelt instrumentation of Toad the Wet Sprocket the
buttery smooth vocals of founding member and brilliant singer songwriter

(06:05):
Glenn Phillips, created an emotional soundtrack for Generation X and beyond.
Take a listen, Joe John.

Speaker 9 (07:45):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, fast forward forty years and Glenn Phillips and Toad
the Wetsprocket are not slowing down. The band heads out
this summer on a twenty six show Good Intentions tour
across the country and they are set to release the
Greatest Hits of Acoustic album later this year, whether it
be collaborating with other artists, going solo, or rocking with

(08:05):
the band that launched his career almost four decades ago.
Glenn Phillips is an alternative rock institution and I am
thrilled to have him on the show to talk about
his incredible journey. Welcome to the scene with Dorian Glenn,
what's going on?

Speaker 10 (08:19):
And he did Waking Up, Waking Up?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
That'll get you going, that montage of amazing hits. If
that doesn't get you moving, I don't know. We were
dancing in the studio here.

Speaker 10 (08:28):
Oh good.

Speaker 11 (08:29):
I am glad. It also makes me go God, that
has been a minute.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It as well Happy birthday anniversary because Toad the Wet
Sprocket was formed nineteen eighty six and next year marks
the band's fortieth anniversary. It's insane.

Speaker 10 (08:44):
This it does, it's insane. It's a little bit crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
So all those years back, you know, growing up Santa Barbara, California, you,
like the majority of boys in high school, you start
a band, but unlike those forty years later, you're still here.
I mean, do you ever think that would be the
case when you said I'm inquired, let's let's form a band.

Speaker 10 (09:04):
And not at all I was. I had actually determined
pretty earlier, pretty early. I was a freshman when the
rest of the band was were seniors, and you know,
we were, like you said, in theater, inquired or to
get a choir together. And our theater teacher talked about
the reason he was a teacher was because he loved

(09:24):
the theater.

Speaker 11 (09:25):
More than anything.

Speaker 10 (09:26):
But he didn't want to have to go to La
New York, Chicago and constantly be rejected and criticized, and
you know in that, you know, audition after audition after audition,
he just wanted to be in the theater. So he taught.
And so my plan was, I was like, that's me,
I'm fragile, I couldn't handle criticism.

Speaker 11 (09:47):
I want to be a teacher.

Speaker 10 (09:48):
And I was planning on you know when when the
band got set signed.

Speaker 11 (09:54):
Wow, no words this morning.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's okay, you are entitled.

Speaker 10 (09:59):
Okay. But when the band got signed, like literally we
if we.

Speaker 11 (10:05):
We weren't expecting to get signed number one.

Speaker 10 (10:07):
But I was going to move up to San Francisco
and go to school there and do education, and.

Speaker 11 (10:14):
You know, I was not planning on doing this, and.

Speaker 10 (10:19):
You know, we ended up going on tour instead of
going back to school the next year. And I just
assumed we'd get dropped in a year or two because
everyone does, and then I go back to school and
then I do my teacher thing. But instead it ended
up being precisely the life I had already decided I
didn't want, which was public scrutiny. So it's been forty

(10:44):
years of reconciling that, but it's it's also been you know,
all the parts that you do want of, you know,
the travel, the meeting amazing people, the getting to to
make art and make people happy.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
So I just still have trouble with the scrutiny part.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, you were going to be a teacher, sure, and
nowadays probably teaching is more difficult than the music industry.
I mean, I don't know, there's different beasts but probably
equally difficult, and it's you know, on its own level.

Speaker 10 (11:10):
It's difficult in different ways. I'm married to a teacher,
so it's yeah, I got it where I could there
you go.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I came from a family. Both my parents are teachers,
so I understand and it helped me. I mean, it
really did. Growing up. It was they really weren't pushing
me or doing any of it, but it just kind
of wore off, you know, you kind of it was
rubbing off on me just because they were educators.

Speaker 10 (11:31):
Yeah. Yeah, and my family was all my parents were academics,
hard science academics. And dad was a professor, and you know,
so I grew up with that as well. I trust
that profession because there's nobody in it.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
True, not a lot of applause, not a lot of applause,
a lot of.

Speaker 11 (11:50):
Applause, a hell of a lot of work.

Speaker 10 (11:52):
And it's something that you're going to do because it's
kind of like music, right, there's that Gillian Welsh line.

Speaker 11 (11:58):
We're going to do it anyway, even if it doesn't pay.

Speaker 10 (12:01):
Right, it's a calling, and uh, you know, I like
people who listen to their calling, especially if their calling
is giving to other people.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So agree. I agree using your platform and your gift
to pay it forward to others, which we're going to
talk a lot more about later on, but that is huge.
I love the artists that will take their gift and say, you.

Speaker 11 (12:24):
Know, I've been with the teachers.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh even teachers. Well you're doing it to see you
are still a teacher, though you are still in a
weird way educating everyone else by teaching them. You can
be a musician and still pay it forward out Well,
you know, you did mention you were the baby of
the group, and did you get a little like flack
for that? You know, because they all had their licenses

(12:47):
probably they were nineteen, I guess at the time seniors.
You were fifteen, so you were kind of bumming rides
off of them to gigs and things like that. So
did you get a little bit of you know, push
back a lottle because you were the baby.

Speaker 10 (12:58):
For quite a while, I think, I mean, you know,
at this point, I'll say two things. Number One, as
soon as I could drive, my dad had a big
green van.

Speaker 11 (13:09):
I drove a lot as soon as I could drive.

Speaker 10 (13:14):
And you know, it's a weird thing having been in
a band this long it's more of a familial than
a business relationship, for good and for ill, and so
there are certain elements relationally that are still kind of
maybe locked in at a really age with them as

(13:36):
the seniors and me as the nerdy freshman. And you know,
sometimes that's bigger than others. I mean, I think I'm
proud that we have managed. You know, we started with
four of us. There's still three original members remaining, and
that we have managed to keep going and actually keep
trying to see the best in each other and keep

(13:58):
trying to move past the history. You know, not to
say the history isn't there. It's sometimes it's been really difficult,
but for some reason we've had to keep finding each
other in the middle of this and had to keep
kind of working it out. And but it's definitely more

(14:19):
familial than business, and so things can get emotional or
or in our case, things can get emotional but unsaid
that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, it is like family. How many people, you know,
I don't talk to their you know, cousin three times
removed because they didn't sit at the wedding in the
right table. And that's it. You know, you're you're burned
for life. Because of that. So, yes, families have that
weird dynamic. And you're right, no other profession do people
become so close that they could say these are these

(14:51):
are my family members. We tour together, we eat together,
we shower together. I mean we do everything together, and
we create together. And I always say that like with
stockbrokers or ba as, you know, they have a job,
they go there, they bond, they have friends, but it's
not that same kind of dynamic that family.

Speaker 11 (15:07):
Yeah, it's a different thing.

Speaker 10 (15:08):
I mean it's also because we're artists, we're working with
a certain degree. I mean, I guess there's tangible and
intangible uh you know endeavors in there, but it's a
creative endeavor. And on top of it, this is also
a job where you are you know, not necessarily discouraged
from remaining you know, from remaining you know, adolescent in

(15:34):
your essence. You know, it doesn't it doesn't mature you
as fast as.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Our business sometimes, like you devolve sometimes in the profess Yeah, yeah,
we all have some with some marested development in here. Okay,
So I got to know, I think as a freshman,
I read Rogers and Hammer sign the classic Oklahoma that
was your first musical Who did you play? Were you
in the choir? Did you play a role?

Speaker 11 (16:00):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (16:01):
I was in the choir because I was I was
a freshman. Dean, on the other hand, I forget the
name of the role. Dean saying the farmer in the
Cowman should be friends.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So he had a role, Yes.

Speaker 11 (16:13):
He did so, Dean saying the farmer in the Countman.

Speaker 10 (16:16):
Also in that year we did Thornton Wilder's classic Our Town,
where I think Dean wasn't in that play, but Todd,
our guitarist, was the stage manager. He was the lead.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So very nice. You all came all of that. I
love that in your living proof that that's kind of cool.
You know, you always get slack for that in school
and sometimes you get a little whatever from others, but
you know what, it can be cool. I was the
same way. I was cool, and I was in all
those things.

Speaker 10 (16:45):
Yeah. Well, I mean shows like Glee, you know, sing
Off like it. At some point it kind of switched around,
and a lot of it, I.

Speaker 11 (16:57):
Think were those TV shows.

Speaker 10 (16:59):
But I mean, you know, and I remember it was
the captain of the football team. Like years after running
running into him in town at you know something and
him saying like, I just wanted to tell you I
started doing like improv classes. I was always really jealous
you theater kids. Takes a lot of bravery to get
like it was like, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So the folklore goes that you were fans of Money Python,
especially Eric Idyl, and you borrowed the name so the
Wetsprocket from a skit that he wrote, but you never
intended to keep that name. That was just kind of
like a placeholder for you guys.

Speaker 10 (17:32):
Yeah, it's uh, it's a cautionary tale.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Uh, please tell, please share.

Speaker 10 (17:38):
We had a gig. Dean was the one who suggested
at our bass player and you know, we both had
the Contractual Obligation album. It's you know we were deep
cut you were you know, we deep cut Money Python people.
So it was on one of the records and talked
about what was it Rextados lead Electric Triangle for tid

(17:58):
Wit Sproke it had to have but removed following the
recent world Ride tour of Finland.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Wow, that's very good.

Speaker 10 (18:07):
So there's also actually a toad the wet Sprocket in
the Rutland Weekly News, which was the pre Monty Python
show that Eric Idle did. Yeah, yeah, they brought it
out a few times. So, uh yeah. It was just
supposed to be the stupidest band name ever, and we

(18:28):
thought it would be hilarious to see in print.

Speaker 11 (18:30):
And then like a year went by and we.

Speaker 10 (18:31):
Were trying to think of something really cool and we
never thought of something cool. No, I guess that was us.
The good thing is, I mean, you know, we've been.

Speaker 11 (18:42):
We put out a few new albums. I happened to
think they're pretty good.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
Fans think they're pretty good, but they didn't like you know,
they didn't We didn't put them out through a major label.

Speaker 11 (18:51):
They're not top of the pops.

Speaker 10 (18:54):
But you know, the biggest press bump we get is
every year there are lists of the worst band names ever,
and we are on it every single time. It's like
writing a Christmas song, you know, it's just it's evergreen.

Speaker 11 (19:08):
It just keeps cranking.

Speaker 10 (19:09):
So every year we get a little bump from all
the worst band name ever list.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, what number do you where do you meander? What
number do you kind of fall number one?

Speaker 11 (19:18):
Or you kind of like lower You're around a three?

Speaker 10 (19:22):
You know, it's like somewhere between Mata hoop o hooting
the Blowfish, which is great.

Speaker 11 (19:26):
So they're friends. So it's like we do a little
mini tour together.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
The Worst band Name Tour, the.

Speaker 10 (19:32):
One the one band name that I haven't seen show
up in most of those lists that really should be there, Becau.
It's like the best band name, worst band name. Theirst
band called the Pooh Sticks.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Which I don't know if it's good or bad. It
could go either way.

Speaker 11 (19:48):
Well, the thing is, if you're a Winnie the Pooh fan.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's great, is it with the h though? Is it
po h?

Speaker 10 (19:54):
Yes, it's poky. Also the game that the Pooh and
Piglet play on a bridge where they stand it one
side of the bridge on you know, this has a
river flowing under it, and they both drop a stick
in the water. Then they run to the other side
of the bridge and they see whose stick comes out first.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wow, there's so many metaphors and things. I could go
so far. Mats looking at me, he's like, don't do it,
don't do it, Dorian, so many things.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
At its core, the poo Sticks is the most innocent
name possible, but it just doesn't feel like it.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
It doesn't on so many levels. Oh, that's so wrong
and so right. It's so wrong, it's so right.

Speaker 10 (20:36):
It's just if you just go Winnie the Pooh because
I love Winnie the Pool.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Everyone does.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
It's a great band name, it's a great no just
it requires too much explaining, whereas the good thing with
Tod the wet Sprocket is it's meaningless.

Speaker 11 (20:51):
It's like there's literally no there there.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, there's a folk floor there because then Eric Idyl
he had no idea you were using it. And then
he's driving in southern California one day on the highway
he almost dies. You almost kill him because he almost
drives off the highway.

Speaker 11 (21:05):
So now that would have been a press cycle.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So he's like, here's it on the radio? Was like
wall and did you get any like? I mean, is
there an issue like with intellectual properties or copyright? I mean,
did he come to you and say you can't use
my name? I can't, I can't do.

Speaker 10 (21:20):
He wrote us a lovely note saying I nearly crashed
my car. I can't believe we wrote that was supposed
to be so bad.

Speaker 11 (21:28):
A name that nobody would actually ever use it.

Speaker 10 (21:32):
I will I promise not to sue you if you
send me a goal should you ever earn a gold record,
will you send me one?

Speaker 11 (21:40):
And so we did?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
You honored that?

Speaker 10 (21:42):
How nice that he never suit us.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's very cool. I wonder does he have it prominently
displayed in his home? Did he ever send you like
a shot of it on his wall?

Speaker 11 (21:50):
Or I'm sure he's got a wall full of them.

Speaker 10 (21:52):
I mean, I have no idea where it is, but
I hope it has a place of honor somewhere.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Have you ever met it?

Speaker 10 (22:00):
I guess what I mean with it? Then the name
has an origin story, yeah, but it has no meaning true,
if that makes sense, it's just unless to toad the
wet Sprocket.

Speaker 11 (22:11):
We tell people for a while, what was it that
it was?

Speaker 10 (22:17):
You know, it was about kind of sucking up to
the military industrial complex to become a toady wet Sprocket,
the wet Sprocket being the well boiled machine of the
military industrial complex.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Wow, that's a spin. I've I did not realize there
was that big spin that you kind of backstory you
put into that.

Speaker 10 (22:37):
Wow, you go.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I kind of like the simplicity of the Electro was
electri Triangle and the band name that was never supposed
to be used because it was so bad. I kind
of liked that better.

Speaker 11 (22:45):
Actually, yeah, it is better.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But it was the nineties, so you kind of had
to have that story of angst. You know, there was
Nirvana and all of these other bands, and you had
to have your own kind of darker side to you.

Speaker 10 (22:57):
That was the weird thing about us. It's like there's
a lot of melancholy in the lyrics. I mean, we
definitely had it there. And I am a lifelong depression sufferer,
so yeah, understood.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You know that you have a fan club here, yes.

Speaker 10 (23:14):
Yeah, But it's the thing about us as well as
we kind of.

Speaker 11 (23:21):
We never did the you know, Edgy imaging.

Speaker 10 (23:24):
Very well, and I think so at that era. We
would we would play these radio shows and it would
be like us and you know, what's Henry Rollin's day
and whole whole collective soul. They'd say hi, but like
we were just it was bizarre because we were the

(23:46):
theater geeks again and everybody was like, really Edgy, the
great Frickin' bands, But they would pass us in the
hall and like not even acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Knock your books out of your hand.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
Are They were never mean, they just we did not exist.

Speaker 10 (24:04):
They would walk past us with no acknowledgment of our existence.

Speaker 11 (24:08):
We did not belong, which is.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Fine, but I mean that was the era, right There
was this attitude that you had to like that if
you weren't outwardly gnarly, you didn't have anything complicated inside.
And I think part of the reason that we got
popular in that It's a little like when Nora Jones
came out, there had been this trend of female artists

(24:33):
being like super edgy, sexual smart, you know, it's like
it's and she just made beautiful music and played and
sang really well, and people were like, oh, thank god,
like you can still do that set the blowfish. You know,
everything was edgy, edgy, edgy, edgy and hoody was just

(24:53):
like wanted to hold your hand, and nobody else was
saying that at the time. And and you know, I
do think our place there is we kind of spoke,
you know, before the nerds ran the world, right, This
was just before nerds from becoming millionaires. And I think
we spoke to the nerds. They were our people.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
There's a lot of them out there, there's a lot
of my think there's a few in this room right now,
and I you know what, We're all there with you,
and we needed a voice you opened. Think about this way,
you sort of paved the way for the nerds.

Speaker 10 (25:27):
I don't know if we gave them a little solace
on the way. We we were the band that, like
when they dropped their pencil on the bus, just leaned
down and handed it back to them with a smile
instead of taunting them mercilessly. I think that was more

(25:48):
our role.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's very good. But you know, you guys were fierce,
You really were. You know you're playing this like you
know I'm the quiet little nerd role, but you told
the what Sprocket has always been a fiercely independent band.
You turned down amounts of money to sign with Columbia
so you could have creative control. You turned down Dick
Clark's New Year's Rock and Eve because they wanted you
to lip sync and you said, no, we're not about that.

(26:10):
And I applaud you bravo for taking a stand and
that wasn't actually cool to do at the time.

Speaker 10 (26:19):
Thank you. Yeah, yep SAand note of money, apparently I'm
really good at that.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Most musicians I think are deep down.

Speaker 10 (26:28):
A lifelong made a lifel commitment to that one.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Do you ever regret the decision though? Do you look
back and do you ever say, you know what, maybe
I should have just played nicer with the label. Maybe
I should have just you know, played the game. And
I mean, do you think your career would have went
differently if you did, or would it have maybe just
gone the same way?

Speaker 10 (26:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (26:46):
I remember like a Pat Benatar quote.

Speaker 10 (26:49):
I think it was Pat Benatar because she never did endorsements.
She had this very bard selling out line and she
was like, although the unfortunately somebody just did congress joy
me for this stuff. So there you go.

Speaker 11 (27:02):
But we were the.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
Same and she said yeah, and now, like you know,
thirty years later, like no one ever came up and
patted me on the back and said, like, thanks Pat
for keeping it real.

Speaker 11 (27:12):
Frankly, I could have used the money.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
So there's I mean, we had a very indie attitude
for a band on a major label, and I think
Donnie Einer, who ran Columbia, could never understand that.

Speaker 10 (27:31):
I just didn't really want to be that famous. I
wanted to make a living, but I didn't have that
need to win. I was just talking with a friend
about this recently, and that can happen in any job, right, Like,
if the attitude is I want to be on top,
I want to be you know, hit the upper atmosphere.

(27:51):
I just didn't want to get hurt by being exposed
and criticized by everybody. And I got that anyway, because
like the second that all I Want became a hit,
the indie people who had previously supported us, like we
got you know, there was a like a columnist in
remember Tower Pulse magazine. They were a period of months

(28:13):
where every single like that front editorial he would use
us as the punchline for a joke and like bag
on us every single issue, and like we were not
the cool kids, and they really let us know. And
it was incredibly difficult for me, like to have all

(28:36):
that criticism. We were doing well commercially right, doing well
on MTV, selling records, doing well live, but the critics
really turned on us.

Speaker 11 (28:45):
For a while, and that was it really hurt. It
deeply hurt.

Speaker 10 (28:52):
And you always want the people who don't like you
to like you, and you don't pay attention, you know,
the stupid thing is not paying attention to the people
who do.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like it matter.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
But yeah, and so it was a strange thing.

Speaker 10 (29:04):
We were on a major label, but we were playing
we were trying to play a kind of indie game,
and that doesn't necessarily work. I think you have to
stake your claims. But I think what we didn't do.
I think you have to be proactive about what you
actually are. And in terms of you know, even with

(29:26):
photos or whatever, videos, we would think of them, oh,
I got all I guess it's a single, Like okay,
pick a director, show up one day and we'll see
what we get. Yeah, right, yeah, and then you don't
know that that's going to be like what people think
you are.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
For years we were kids.

Speaker 10 (29:43):
I was, you know, twenty three, I was twenty one
when we did the All I Want video, And.

Speaker 11 (29:47):
So there's this.

Speaker 10 (29:52):
By you know, we thought ori Em didn't have an image.
We thought they just were what they were, and we're
going to like we're going to be that, We're just
going to show up as we are, no artifice, and
actually Rim I think was really careful about how they
were seen.

Speaker 11 (30:09):
And the image was that they didn't have an image.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
But they had an image, but they had an image,
and we just kind of left an open space for
people to fill in which we.

Speaker 11 (30:23):
Didn't have our story together.

Speaker 10 (30:24):
I think very well, and so I think it's actually
important to play the game a little. But you have
to decide, you have to understand the game, and you
know you can't just be on a major label. I
think what really ended the band the first time around
was we'd never taken any advance from the label aside

(30:47):
from recording costs, and it took us. It still took
us because this is the way the business works. We'd
sold I think a million and a half records before
we ever saw a royalty check. Wow, but we weren't
you know, they were spending money on videos. I mean
we spent more. We would spend twice as much on

(31:08):
a single video than we spent on the album because
you were shooting on film back in those days.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, you weren't doing Yeah.

Speaker 11 (31:16):
So we're paying back for that.

Speaker 10 (31:17):
But we never got any rent money from the company
at that point, and so we were like, on the
last record on Coil, it's like, well, let's take a
big advance. We never took a big advance before, so
let's put a little money in our own pockets. And
we didn't realize that if you take that money. You
have to play that game. Yes, you can't. You can't

(31:38):
continue acting like an indie band on a major label.
And it was difficult. It didn't work very well. And
we were, you know, young, I was what.

Speaker 11 (31:50):
Twenty six by then.

Speaker 10 (31:51):
Yeah, I can't be you. You know, I have two
daughters who were older than I was when the band
broke up.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
You blink, it's over. I know, it's like.

Speaker 10 (32:01):
Crazy crazy, it's crazy. And I have another my youngest
daughter is older than I was.

Speaker 11 (32:07):
At the peak of our career.

Speaker 10 (32:09):
So it's it's really strange, man, it is. So we
didn't get it, and uh, you know, I think I
think we I don't know. I like to think if
we'd had some great advice, we might have done a
better job of all that and maybe even kept the
band together, done a few side projects and then come

(32:30):
back together. But uh, I don't know. Maybe we did
get that advice and didn't listen to it, and.

Speaker 11 (32:38):
We thought we knew everything.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
You know, that's part of being young. You think you
know everything, and then you realize you didn't, and then
but you still hold on that you did. It's sort
of that's like the secret of being young. But you know,
it didn't. You know, you're painting this story of like, oh,
you know, woe is Me, But I gotta say, you know.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
No, it's it's not woe is me.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
No, no, no joking.

Speaker 11 (32:58):
I'm sorry, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Because I gotta say, it's incredible. Your career. I think
about it four decades. Most people can't get four minutes
nowadays with anything any kind of fame, and if it is,
it's bad fame. So like fall Down, the song I
played in the beginning, fall Down, your single, it's my
favorite that you guys did, and thank you. It just
turned thirty last year and it is held up extremely

(33:22):
well after three decades. The message is even still very
relevant today, even maybe more so. And it was nineteen
ninety four when that was really Yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (33:33):
Think the concepts we wrote about, I mean, we were
writing about angst and self reflection and death and you
know and those. I think our material has I mean,
not all of it in a production way, but thematically
a lot of it has aged pretty well.

Speaker 11 (33:51):
Yeah, we weren't writing.

Speaker 10 (33:52):
Songs about like you know, you know, hey, little sixteen
year old you know, it's like, you know, it wasn't
about going to the club and getting drunk. It's it.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
So, you know, angst is forever.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Unfortunately, Yes, yes.

Speaker 10 (34:09):
And we've had I wasn't trying to be what was me.
I think you asked about the you know, with the company,
and I think I think we made some errors and
and honestly had a tough learning process. I mean, we
were huge at twenty one, and we were over by
the age of twenty seven. I had two kids, I
couldn't get a record deal. I went into a major, long,

(34:33):
extreme depression and still went on the road at a
time where I should have been getting help. And I
stent a lot of fans away by being so depressed
on stage that I, you know, I wasn't any good
to anybody.

Speaker 11 (34:51):
And so it's been a long process.

Speaker 10 (34:55):
I mean, the amazing thing is that, you know, in
the early two thousands we got together, we took about
five years off, we played shows, and the first times
we played shows there was so much bad blood. It's
like we kept finishing and I like, never again, never again.
And we came to a point like we've been finding

(35:18):
peace in as we've matured. Like it's one of the
things about the fact that none of us are like aggressive,
violent people we would all rather bite our tongue and
get along.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
You know, you were they were never the aggressors.

Speaker 10 (35:36):
Yeah, and so I mean it is this amazing thing,
especially in the last few years. The relationships have been
getting so much better. People are happier, we're getting older.
We didn't say the things that would have made it,
and I mean, maybe we'll get to go under the
hood at some point more and heal some of it.

(35:58):
I'm not a person who early believes and just tamping
it down.

Speaker 11 (36:02):
I like to head things, you know, meet things more
head on.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
Sure, but there is a resilience that this band has
had in being able to still be together and still
try to see the best in each other. We sound
better than we've ever sounded like the live shows.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's so much good.

Speaker 11 (36:24):
It's good, so much better.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
The stuff you're putting out there, with the acoustic and
the videos you've been putting out, they are incredible.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
Thank you. It's been like to feel like we're growing
at this point and improving.

Speaker 11 (36:38):
Is remarkable.

Speaker 10 (36:40):
And that also the relationships slowly and surely are also
doing that.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
Yeah, that were happier on stage.

Speaker 10 (36:47):
If you saw us ten years ago, there wasn't a
lot of smiling at each other on stage enough.

Speaker 11 (36:52):
If like you look at it.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
There was a period where if you looked at another guy,
it'd be like, what what did I do?

Speaker 9 (36:58):
And now you look at somebody and you smile, and
it's like it's pretty good hunt Ye, Yeah, this is fun. Yeah,
And I never thought we'd be able to do that.
And I'm so proud of us that we have.

Speaker 10 (37:09):
Like it's been a long road and and it's our
audiences fed it back to us as well, because I
think as we have put more into the show and
put more into each other, that people can feel that.
And our audiences are been getting bigger the last few years.
I mean some of that is just the nineties or
a thing. Now.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes, they are coming back full force right now. They've
been back, but they're coming, you know more back again.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
It's our second round of nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, you know, in two thousand and three, the song
that I was mentioning fall down you got traction again
because it was featured in billions and it was what
the number one sad song on Shazam an entire week
after the episode aired. Really, you know that that's proof
good music doesn't age. Yes, that's your friend, right, Yeah,

(38:00):
you guys.

Speaker 10 (38:00):
Are ces and he's yeah, he was an ANAR guy.
So he when he was at Tufts as a kid,
he heard Tracy Chapman playing in a coffee shop and
ended up getting her signed to Electra Records and became
an ANAR guy there. So when he was like twenty two,
I think he was Metallica's ANAR guy really, And then

(38:24):
he decided he and his friend David Levine were like
they were movie buffs, and after they saw what was
Tarantinos for his Reservoir Dogs, He's like, we need to
write movies, and Rounders was their first ever screenplay.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Like he was a total outsider in that world, but
he he works his ass off and he has He's
one of those people who can just kind of keep
his He's the same guy no matter who he's with.
And so that personality that could help him walk into
like a film production office and get backing also made

(39:03):
it so that he could walk into an underground poker
game in New York and have people trust him and
talk to him. He's always the same guy. And yeah,
so he's been a friend like forever, and yeah, I
had no idea that I wish he'd put more of
our songs into the amen.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well there's still time. It sounds like, you know, But seriously,
good music never ages, and that's what I find with
Toad the Wet Sprocket. It's just good music. And I'm
so happy you're going back on tour, and I want
to We're gonna take a little bit of a break
because I want to talk about that and all of
the other things you have going on. I'm dorean Taylor.
You're listening to the scene with Dorene. And when we
come back, I'm gonna chat more with the wonderfully talented

(39:43):
Glenn Phillips of Toad the Wetsprocket. We talk more about
his creative process heading out on his twenty twenty five
national tour, and we're gonna wrap it all up right
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Speaker 2 (42:55):
Welcome back to the Semadorian part of the Beasley Media
Group family. I am your host, Oring Taylor and I
have been chatting with founding member, lead singer and songwriter
Glenn Phillips of Toad the Wetsprocket. That was a small
excerpt of their tune. Nancy and Glenn, I got to say,
you're heading out on the twenty twenty five Good Intentions
Tour starting in July twenty six, select cities across the country,

(43:18):
and you're doing it with a great lineup of bands
rotating throughout the tour. How do you select your groups
when you're gonna go, when you're gonna say who's gonna support?
Because you're headlining, who do you pick?

Speaker 10 (43:29):
How do you pick?

Speaker 11 (43:30):
Well, it's a combo. I mean there's a part of this.

Speaker 10 (43:34):
You know, we've we've kept making new records, but we
also understand that we're a legacy band.

Speaker 11 (43:41):
And you know I've said before, I don't.

Speaker 10 (43:45):
Know, I always go off on tangents, but like there
is an element about like you keep writing songs, but
the songs you heard in your early twenty like it's
it's a method of time travel. It takes you back somewhere,
takes you back, even if it is like a really
hard time. I think there's something about music that brings
you back in a way that gives you objectivity and

(44:05):
compassion for yourself. Like that song that's the worst breakup
you ever had, and you hear it again and instead
of feeling traumatized traumatized by it, you feel like, what
a hard time?

Speaker 15 (44:17):
Like I remember that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
It brings you back, yeah.

Speaker 10 (44:22):
But it brings you back with a little compassion and objectivity. Yeah.
And so so we've sometimes when we're out just doing
like you know, summer it's a little more of a
festival thing and a three band bill. A lot of
the time we'll go out, it'll be more just us
and we'll try to bring an up and coming artist

(44:43):
and bring bring somebody to expose them to a new audience.
For the summer tour, we've been finding it really works
well to do more of a package tour and keep.

Speaker 11 (44:53):
It more about the memories.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
But so.

Speaker 10 (44:59):
We're out this summer with expensive on the richer, Yes,
and I believe they're back to original line, which is
awesome and also Jayhawks, which is going to be absolutely incredible.

Speaker 11 (45:13):
Yes, So it was originally going to be semi sonic.

Speaker 10 (45:18):
And they've had some medical issues that they thought were
going to be everybody's going to be okay, but that
they thought would be resolved and they're unable to come
out on the tour, and which I'm really sad about.
Dan Wilson's been a friend for a very long time
Wavered and some amazing songs together. But yeah, when that

(45:41):
when that ended up kind of unraveling.

Speaker 11 (45:43):
I was like, what are we going to do? And
I feel so lucky to have the Jayhawks. I oh, yeah,
that band.

Speaker 10 (45:49):
They're so good live and there's not a single person
I told about it that hasn't caught it. You have
the Jayhawks, Like, so it's going to be it's going
to be great. And Katie Tunstall also going to be
doing saw that more in the fall.

Speaker 11 (46:02):
That's some in the summer.

Speaker 10 (46:04):
So I'm stoked this is going to be I'm really
excited about all the bands we're playing.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
With this absolutely and you know, also something near and
dear to my heart, you're giving back on this tour.
You've partnered with the National Parks Foundation to help support
our National treasures, which is much much needed right now.
And I know you've supported other nonprofits, you know, through
the band's career, But why the national parks for this tour.

Speaker 10 (46:29):
It's a meeting park.

Speaker 11 (46:30):
We you know, take these things around.

Speaker 10 (46:33):
Todd is really our guitarist, is a really dedicated outdoorsman fisherman,
and I am a hiker, and you know, and I mean,
you know, so we have our own personal vested interest
in just keeping these places beautiful, but also keeping the biodiversity,

(46:54):
keeping that land, you know, the safe from human developlopment
in a world that's increasingly getting paved over, in a
world that has been complaining about being so paved over.

Speaker 11 (47:07):
You know, these are the lungs of our.

Speaker 10 (47:09):
Country and and they're not something that we can create
again once it's gone. That biodiversity, that interweaving of species,
plant and animal is absolutely necessary to our survival. Uh
and uh yeah, I mean that that's that's about it.

(47:32):
And it's in greater danger than it has ever been.
It's it's a short sighted thing to go. It's just
a bunch of line you could build hotels on, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Lots of warehouses. Now that's like the big thing. Especially
over here on the East Coast. It's everything is a warehouse.

Speaker 11 (47:51):
Data centers.

Speaker 10 (47:52):
Yes, yes, so I mean we're Yeah, it's like something's
got to be said in this world.

Speaker 11 (48:01):
I agree, you know, the we we have, We're not
going to Mars. I'll just say that we have as
much as they want on it. Yeah, there is no
planet b.

Speaker 10 (48:13):
We are on this planet and we have already had
a massive impact on it, and we need to keep
these spaces. We need to give our children and our
grandchildren and their children access to these wild spaces.

Speaker 11 (48:29):
Well so yeah, yeah, you know that's.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Why I said near and dear to my heart in
my former life before I became a wonderful radio TV host.
I twenty sixteen, I was selected by the National Parks
Conservation Association to perform Colors of the USA, which became
their anthem for their centennial. So yeah, so I said,
I when I saw that, I was like, I got
I gotta bring that up because that's such an important

(48:53):
thing to myself as well. So thank you, Thank you
for doing that and giving back a lot of artists.
They say, you know what, more money, more money, ka
ching kuching, because where you make your money touring and
they're never giving back, and I love that you are
doing that again, like I mentioned in the beginning, paying
it forward with your gift.

Speaker 11 (49:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (49:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And in addition to that, you collaborate with other artists
as well. Got to give you a shout out. Steve
Postell had him on the spot like guess and I
know you collaborated with the song on his new album.
So you're always busy. You had a solo career that
went really well. What do you prefer? Do you like performing?
You know, writing, you know, with the exchange of creative

(49:32):
creative ideas. Do you like free and independent self expression
or yeah, you like all of it? Huh?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I like it all.

Speaker 10 (49:39):
I love collaboration, I love I love playing live, I
mean solo or with the band. I there's you know,
I have a lot of solo records and side projects
and I don't get to play those songs when I'm
out with Toad. So you know, I have a huge
catalog that I like to be able to address when

(50:01):
I'm doing my own thing. You know, it's much much smaller.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But it's not quantity. It's quantity.

Speaker 11 (50:09):
It's not quantity, it's quality.

Speaker 10 (50:12):
And I need the balance, because I also understand Toad
is more of a show and Toad is you know,
we understand kind of what our function is. Toad is
putting on a show, and they are the songs we
must do. When I go play solo, I just like
write down forty songs on a piece of paper and

(50:34):
I don't know what I'm going to say, and I
don't know what songs I'm going to play in what order.
I just that's exciting. I love it. Yeah, it's a
little more of a free shite wire, whereas Toad, it's
like we're trying to nail something specific, right, And so yeah,
it's a really different world, and I love collaborating with

(50:55):
other songwriters. I mean, I'm finally getting to an age
where it's I hope I can find ways of making
a living at.

Speaker 11 (51:04):
Home in the next whenever. I mean, what's wonderful is
I can make a living being on the road.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
But it means, you know, like last year it was
sixty Toad shows and then forty solo shows, and.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
So he was busy.

Speaker 11 (51:18):
Yeah, yeah, gone about half the year.

Speaker 10 (51:20):
And when you're coming and going all the time, it's
really hard to like get a you know, creative flow going.

Speaker 11 (51:26):
I'm not twenty. You know, when you're in your twenties,
you just think everything you do is good.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
You sleep tomorrow or you don't never sleep. You just
keep going. You don't worry about those things eating what's eating?
You just keep going.

Speaker 10 (51:38):
And now it's like I need to know what project
I'm working on. It really helps me to have a
collaborator when I write, just to keep to have someone
to answer to so I don't get distracted or I
don't go as it is crap.

Speaker 11 (51:50):
Somebody already wrote this song better.

Speaker 16 (51:52):
You know.

Speaker 17 (51:54):
And so.

Speaker 10 (51:56):
Yeah, it's interesting getting older. Would I would like to
to or bless someday?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, but you're not doing that. You're because you know,
if it weren't enough, not yet, if not, if headlining
the twenty twenty five Good Intentions tour wasn't enough, told
the what sprocket. Now they're putting the finishing touches on
an acoustic Greatest Hits album and it's set for release
later this year. But I do I have to say
it again. Your music strips down beautifully to acoustic and

(52:23):
I love this stuff you're posting it.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
You're not like a stripped down acoustic. It's a pretty
produced record.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
It is, but it's beautiful.

Speaker 10 (52:31):
It's but it's it's it's great to be able to
reinterpret these songs.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Uh, I like them better in some cases, in some
cases better.

Speaker 10 (52:41):
I feel like we're we've got a great thing here,
and so we're really we've been really excited about it.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
It's good, yes, and so I want everyone go to
toad Thewetsprocket dot com. Check out the band's music, all
the tour dates, buy some cool merch by the way,
sign up for the newsletter, and stay connected to everything
that has Towed the Wet Sprocket and of course, the
fabulous Glenn Phillips. Glenn, I wish I could keep you forever.
This went so fast. This is really one of my

(53:09):
faster interviews I've ever had. I just everything you say,
I have, I have a thousand questions or I didn't
even get to but I just want to thank you
because I know you're so busy.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
You're so welcome. I also I have to ask you
a question. You're never your intro bumper. Have you heard
Dolly Partons? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I use the four non blonde version, but yeah, no,
I have not.

Speaker 10 (53:32):
Give it a lesson. She does a great.

Speaker 11 (53:35):
Does a great version of it.

Speaker 10 (53:37):
But my favorite thing about it too is and it's
the most Dolly Parton possible thing to have done with
that song, it's pray, Oh my God, and I pray
for a resolution, not a revolution, a resolution.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I like that.

Speaker 11 (53:49):
So Dolly it is.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Everything comes back to Dolly. All my guests in somewhere
in other you know, they all Artemis Pile, all these
people who have been on my show have worked with Dolly,
been with I said, Dolly's got to come on. That's
like my next one. That's got to be the white Whale.
I get that is very, very pink and blonde. No, beautiful, amazing,

(54:12):
Dolly and Dolly. If you're listening, I'm putting it in
the cosmos. Now you're coming on the show. And Glenn
is going to join us again because I think you
I think got a little crush for Oh yeah, we
all do. Oh thank you so much. Glenn. Please anytime
come back, and when you're in town, I would love
to come out and check you out. I know you're
going to be in uh Redding, PA. I think it's
the closest you're coming to Philly at the Santander I

(54:33):
believe arena, so I would love to come out and
say hi, yeah, please do yeah, definitely. Thank you so much.
Now go get some sleep. Yes, thank you.

Speaker 16 (54:42):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
You have a wonderful thank you. Bye you too. Thank
you to my guest today, the wonderful Glenn Phillips of
Toad the Wet Sprocket. And thank you again for tuning
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