KCAA: The Scene with Doreen (Tue, 17 Jun, 2025)

KCAA: The Scene with Doreen on Tue, 17 Jun, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nineteen thirty two dot Org.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey USA, what's going on? Welcome to the scene with Doreen.
I'm your host Story Taylor, setting the scene every week
to help you find out what's happening in music, TV, movies, sports,
the arts, and everything in between. We're proud to be
syndicated on stations coast to coast and originating right here
in the City of Brotherly Love and Philadelphia's number one
talk radio station, Talk eight sixty WWDB. Hey, USA, what's

(00:47):
going on? Welcome to the scene with Dorin.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Wait wait, wait, wait, doan? What what are you doing?
You just did that?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, it's National start Over Day.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh, it's National start Over Day.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, celebrating you're just.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Going to redo the intro again? How many times are
you going to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, as many times as I get the point,
you know, to everybody that it's National start Over Day.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
All right, Oh well we started over there. I started
off the show with a start over.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Okay, you know what. I also wanted to do it
this way because guess what, this is the last time
anyone is going to hear the intro that we have except.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
For your podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, you know when replay City, but for anyone who
listening to a new show, fresh news show, this is
the this is the last time you're going to hear
that intro. We have a brand new one coming because
we're celebrating next week. Yes, yes, yeah, Milestone. I didn't
think i'd make it the song. No, No, honestly, I

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don't know, if you know, God didn't stop me. I
thought maybe i'd stopped myself by now, you know, I
really just I never I never thought I would do
it the song. I kind of just did it as
fun and I really had a good time, and it
just kind of took on a life of its own.
And here we are on undred hooked, one hundred episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Wow, yeah, you got a good one today too.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh yeah. We're worried the next few weeks and next week,
my god, I can say it, you know, let's us
choose it. Next week on the show, we have the
incredible Yes, actor Jeff Daniels coming on the show. That
is pretty amazing. Is going to be awesome to celebrate
one hundred episodes. What better guy to do one hundred yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh yeah, he's been in a million different.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Million rachnophobia, one of these like you know horror movies
back in the day, Purple Rosa Cairo. For the older generation,
I mean, he's been around forever.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, there's there's not one person listening to this show
that hasn't seen something with Jeff Daniels.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Any age group. That's it's kind of cool because there's
stuff on like streaming right now that he's doing and
that's pretty cool. So every generation could say, well, I
know him, but I know him from that, or I
know him from that. So yeah, you're gonna everybody can
listen next week and find something that they know.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Man, I really look forward
to this one.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And he's a musician too, and we do a lot
of musicians, so it's like he is, he's got a
lot of stuff going on. We talk a lot about
his music. I think too, we're gonna we're gonna hit
it on that.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, speaking to me, today's guest is from I think
my favorite generation of music, my favorite decade of music.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You like the nineties, don't you.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, that's where my my formative years in high school.
That's where I went to high school.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
That was me too. I kind of liked, well, I
was big and grunge. So I was, you know, I
was a grunge kind.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Of child at flannels.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I did have flannels, and I was very depressed all
the time, so I kind of just spoke to me.
But I was really black hair. I did do that,
but later I did have jet black hair for a while,
and I'm you know, for people that maybe are living
under a rock, I am really blonde. So it was
a really odd look in college. I looked very sickly
because I'm very pale too, so it was like.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Goth Wednesday from ye Madam.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, it was. I have one photo of me like that,
that is I keep it so like I don't do
it again as a reminder. But yeah, there's no record
of that anywhere. No, it is bad. I've been every
hair color, I've done everything, but blonde is me, and
that's where I'm staying. I think I think we'll see,
but we'll see.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
So you wake up one day and you're like change
this up.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
National start over day. I'll just figure I'll shave it
all off and we'll start again. Britney spears. I don't
think that would be super.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
I think the ball Ahead might look a little like
Britney spears.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Everybody say that. When I was young, everybody always said
that was my doppelganger. Eye was Britain and now she's
kind of wo I don't know what's going on with her,
But back when we were both young, Yeah, we're sort
of around the scene that when I heard all the
time when I was later and I used to have
the blunt bang across just like she had the hair. Yeah.
When I would go film in La, I swear people
I'd walk on the street, people thought it was her.

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They would look, they'd do a second, you know, and hey,
you have.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
To practice the autograph.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah you'll see my thing on pawn Stars some day
and say this is that girl who was you know?
Impersonating her? It's worth nothing more.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Sometimes you see on uh on social media people will
take pictures thinking that they're with the actually person.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Always. I could have played that. It could have made
some money on cameo and stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, yeah I could.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I could see it.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, but no, we have the real people on this show.
So but yes, I think the nineties were a great
era of music. I my guest today, I was going
through for research and I forgot like this hit. I
knew the main hit, but then another hit, another hit,
another hit, and it's incredible. But the fiercely independent band

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and to do all this as an independent band. And
yeah they were on a label, but they kept it
independent and to get their name out there like that
with all these hits, it's so amazing.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's going to bring back a lot of
memories for people when they hear this.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and also to learn, like what made it all happen.
That's kind of what we do here.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
That's the best part.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the best part. You know, the hits, but you
don't know maybe why they're hits.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it's not wasting any more time, No, I
know you want to get to this guy, Yes, definitely
let go.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
My guest today on the scene with Doreen Rose to
musical stardom almost four decades ago. Toad the Wet Sprocket
dominated the early nineties with infectious hits like all I
Want Good Intentions, walk on the Ocean and Fall Down.
With the heartfelt instrumentation of Toad the Wet Sprocket the
buttery smooth vocals of founding member and brilliant singer songwriter

(06:05):
Glenn Phillips, created an emotional soundtrack for Generation X and Beyond.
Take a listen, Joe.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Something Jump.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh Yes. Fast forward forty years and Glenn Phillips and
Toad the Wetsprocket are not slowing down. The band heads
out this summer on a twenty six show Good Intentions
tour across the country, and they are set to release
the Greatest Hits Acoustic album later this year, whether it
be collaborating with other artists, going solo, or rocking with

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the band that launched his career almost four decades ago.
Glenn Phillips is an alternative rock institution and I am
thrilled to have him on the show to talk about
his incredible journey. Welcome to the scene with Dorian Glenn,
what's going on?

Speaker 6 (08:19):
And he did Waking Up, Waking Up?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
That'll get you going, that montage of amazing hits. If
that doesn't get you moving, I don't know. We were
dancing in the studio here.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Oh good. I am glad. It also makes me go God,
that has been a minute.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It has been as well. Happy birthday anniversary because Toad
the Wet Sprocket was formed nineteen eighty six and next
year marks the band's fortieth anniversary. It's insane.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
This it does, it's insane. It's a little bit crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
So all those years back, you know, growing up Santa Barbara, California, you,
like the majority of boys in high school, you start
a band, but unlike those forty years later, you're still here.
I mean, do you ever think that would be the
case when you said, I'm inquired, let's let's form a band.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
And not at all I was. I had actually determined
pretty earlier, pretty early. I was a freshman when the
rest of the band was were seniors, and you know,
we were, like you said, in theater, inquired her to
get a choir together, and our theater teacher talked about
the reason he was a teacher was because he loved

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the theater more than anything. But he didn't want to
have to go to La New York, Chicago and constantly
be rejected and criticized, and you know in that, you know,
audition after audition after audition, he just wanted to be
in the theater. So he taught. And so my plan was,
I was like, that's me. I'm fragile, I couldn't handle criticism.

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I want to be a teacher. And I was planning
on you know, when when the band got set signed, Wow,
no words this.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Morning, It's okay, you are entitled.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Okay, But when the band got signed, like literally we
if we we weren't expecting to get signed number one.
But I was going to move up to San Francisco
and go to school there and do education. And you know,
I was not planning on doing this, and you know,

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we ended up going on tour instead of going back
to school the next year. And I just assumed we'd
get dropped in a year or two because everyone does,
and then I go back to school and then I
do my teacher thing. But instead it ended up being
precisely the life I had already decided I didn't want,
which was public scrutiny. So it's been forty years of

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reconciling that, but it's it's also been you know, all
the parts that you do want of, you know, the travel,
the meeting amazing people, the getting to to make art
and make people happy. So I just still have trouble
with the scrutiny part.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, you were going to be a teacher, sure, and
nowadays probably teaching is more difficult than the music industry.
I mean, I don't know, there's different beasts, but probably
equally difficult, and it's you know, on its own level.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
It's difficult in different ways. I'm married to a teacher,
so it's yeah, I got it where I could.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
There you go. I came from a family. Both my
parents are teachers, so I understand and it helped me.
I mean, it really did. Growing up. It was they
really weren't pushing me or doing any of it, but
it just kind of wore off, you know, you kind
of it was rubbing off on me just because they
were educators.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah. Yeah, and my family was all my parents were academics,
hard science academics. And dad was a professor, and you know,
so I grew up with that as well. I trust
that profession because there's nobody in.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
It, not a lot of applause, not a lot of applause,
a lot of applause, a.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Hell of a lot of work. And it's something that
you're going to do because it's kind of like music, right,
there's that Gillian Welsh line. We're going to do it anyway,
even if it doesn't pay. Right, it's a calling, and uh,
you know, I like people who listen to their calling,
especially if their calling is giving to other people. So agree.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I agree using your platform and your gift to pay
it forward to others, which we're going to talk a
lot more about later on, but that is huge. I
love the artists that will take their gift and say, you.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Know, I've been bad with the teachers.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh even teachers. Well you're doing it to see you
are still a teacher, though you are still in a
weird way educating everyone else by teaching them. You can
be a musician and still pay it forward out Well,
you know, you did mention you were the baby of
the group, and did you get a little like flack
for that? You know, because they all had their licenses

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probably they were nineteen, I guess at the time seniors.
You were fifteen, so you were kind of bumming rides
off of them to gigs and things like that. So
did you get a little bit of you know, push
back a loot because you were the baby for.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Quite a while?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think?

Speaker 6 (13:01):
I mean, you know, at this point, I'll say two things.
Number One, as soon as I could drive, my dad
had a big green van. I drove a lot as
soon as I could drive. And you know, it's a
weird thing having been in a band this long. It's
more of a familial than a business relationship, for good

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and for ill, and so there are certain elements relationally
that are still kind of maybe locked in at a
really age with them as the seniors and me as
the nerdy freshman. And you know, sometimes that's bigger than others.
I mean, I think I'm proud that we have managed.

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You know, we started with four of us. There's still
three original members remaining, and that we have managed to
keep going and actually keep trying to see the best
in each other and keep trying to move past the history.
You know, not to say the history isn't there, it's
sometimes it's been really difficult, but for some reason we've

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had to keep finding each other in the middle of
this and had to keep kind of working it out.
And but it's definitely more familial than business, and so
things can get emotional or or in our case, things
can get emotional, but unsaid, that's.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Kind of well, it is like family. How many people,
you know, I don't talk to their you know, cousin
three times removed because they didn't sit at the wedding
in the right table. And that's it. You know, you're
you're burned for life because of that. So, yes, families
have that weird dynamic. And you're right, no other profession
do people become so close that they could say these

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are these are my family members. We tour together, we
eat together, we shower together. I mean we do everything together,
and we create together. And I always say that like
with stockbrokers or ba. You know, they have a job,
they go there, they bond, they have friends, but it's
not that same kind of dynamic that family.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Yeah, it's a different thing. I mean it's also because
where artists we're working with a certain degree. I mean,
I guess there's tangible and intangible uh you know endeavors
in there, but it's a creative endeavor. And on top
of it, this is also a job where you are
you know, not necessarily discouraged from remaining you know, from

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remaining you know, adolescent in your essence. You know, it
doesn't it doesn't mature you as fast as.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Our business sometimes, like you devolve sometimes in the profess Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Yeah, we all have some with some arrested development in here.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, So I got to know, I think as a freshman,
I read Rogers and Hammer sign the classic Oklahoma. That
was your first musical. Who did you play? Were you
in the choir? Did you play a role?

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Oh, I was in the choir because I was I
was a freshman. Dean, on the other hand, I forget
the name of the role. Dean saying the farmer in
the Cowman should be friends.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So he had a role, Yes.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
He did, so, Dean sang the farmer in the Countman.
Also in that year we did Thornton Wilder's classic Our Town,
where I think Dean wasn't in that play, but Todd,
our guitarist, was the stage manager. He was the lead.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So very nice. You all came all of that. I
love that in your living proof that that's kind of cool.
You know, you always get slack for that in school
and sometimes you get a little whatever from others, but
you know what, it can be cool. I was the
same way. I was cool, and I was in all
those things.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Yeah. Well, I mean shows like Glee, you know, sing
off like it. At some point it kind of switched around,
and a lot of it, I think were those TV shows.
But I mean, you know, and I remember it was
the captain of the football team, like years after running
running into him in town, at you know something and

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him saying like, I just wanted to tell you I
started doing like improv classes. I was always really jealous
you theater kids. Takes a lot of bravery to get
like it was like, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So the folklore goes that you were fans of Monty Python,
especially Eric Idyl, and you borrowed the name so the
Wetsprocket from a skit that he wrote, but you never
intended to keep that name. That was just kind of
like a placeholder for you guys.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yeah, it's uh, it's a cautionary tale.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Please tell, please share.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
We had a gig. Dean was the one who suggested
at our bass player and you know, we both had
the Contractual Obligation album. It's you know we were deep cut.
You were you know, we deep cut money Python people.
So it was on one of the records and talked
about what was it Rextados lead electric Triangle for tidit

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sproke it had to have but removed following the recent
world ride tow of Finland.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's very good.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
So there's also actually a toad the wet Sprocket in
the Rutland Weekly News, which was the pre Monty Python
show that Eric Idle did. Yeah, yeah, they brought it
out a few times, so, uh yeah. It was just
supposed to be the stupidest band name ever, and we

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thought it would be hilarious to see in print. And
then like a year went by and we were trying
to think of something really cool and we never thought
of something cool. No, I guess that was us. The
good thing is, I mean, you know, we've been We
put out a few new albums. I happened to think
they're pretty good. Fans think they're pretty good, but they
didn't like you know, they didn't We didn't put them

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out through a major label. They're not top of the pops.
But you know, the biggest press bump we get is
every year there are lists of the worst band names ever,
and we are on it every single time. It's like
writing a Christmas song, you know, it's just it's evergreen.
It just keeps cranking. So every year we get a

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little bump from all the worst band name ever list.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, what number do you where do you meander? What
number do you kind of fall number one? Or you
kind of like lower.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
You're around a three? You know, it's like somewhere between
Mata hoop O hooting the Blowfish, which is great. So
they're friends. So it's like we do a little mini
tour together.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
The Worst band Name Tour, the.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
One the one band name that I haven't seen show
up in most of those lists that really should be there,
because's like the best band name, worst band name. First
band called the Pooh Sticks.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Which I don't know if it's good or bad, it
could go either way.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Well, the thing is, if you're a Winnie the Pooh fan.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's great, is it with the h though? Is it
p o h?

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Yes, it's p o h Okay. It's the game that
the Pooh and Piglet play on a bridge where if
they stand it one side of the bridge on you know,
this has a river flowing under it, and they both
drop a stick in the water. Then they run to
the other side of the bridge and they see whose
stick comes out first.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wow, there's so many metaphors and things. I could go
so far. Mats looking at me, he's like, don't do it,
don't do it, Dorian, so many things.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
At its core, the poo Sticks is the most innocent
name possible, but it just doesn't feel like it.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
It doesn't on so many levels. Oh, that's so wrong
and so right. It's so wrong, it's so right.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
It's just if you just go Winnie the Pooh because
I love Winnie the Pool.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Everyone does.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a great band name, it's a great no just
it requires too much explaining, whereas the good thing with
Tod the wet Sprocket is it's meaningless. It's like there's
literally no there there.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, there's a folk floor there because then Eric Idyl
he had no idea you were using it. And then
he's driving in southern California one day on the highway
he almost dies. You almost kill him because he almost
drives off the highway.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
So now that would have been a press cycle.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So he's like, here's it on the radio. He's like,
wall and did you get any like, I mean, is
there an issue like with intellectual properties or copyright? I mean,
did he come to you and say you can't use
my name? I can't, I can't do.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
He wrote us a lovely note saying I nearly crashed
my car. I can't believe we wrote that was supposed
to be so bad a name that nobody would actually
ever use it. Yeah, I will, I promise not to
sue you if you send me a goal. Should you
ever earn a gold record? Will you send me one?

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And so we did you honored that? How nice that
he never sued us.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's very cool. I wonder does he have it prominently
displayed in his home? Did he ever send you like
a shot of it on his wall or I'm.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Sure he's got a wall full of them. I mean,
I have no idea where it is, but I hope
it has a place of honor somewhere.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Have you ever met it?

Speaker 6 (22:00):
I guess what I mean with it? Then the name
has an origin story, yeah, but it has no meaning
true if that makes sense, it's just unless to toad
the wet Sprocket. We tell people for a while, what
was it that it was? You know, it was about
kind of sucking up to the military industrial complex to

(22:23):
become a toady wet Sprocket, the wet Sprocket being the
will boiled machine of the military industrial complex.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Wow, that's a spin. I've I did not realize there
was that big spin that you kind of backstory you
put into that.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
Wow, you go.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I kind of like the simplicity of the electro was
electri Triangle and the band name that was never supposed
to be used because it was so bad. I kind
of liked that better.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Actually, yeah, it is better.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But it was the nineties, so you kind of had
to have that story of angst. You know, there was
Nirvana and all of these other bands, and you had
to have your own kind of darker side to you.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
That was the weird thing about us. It's like there's
a lot of melancholy in the lyrics. I mean, we
definitely had it there. And I'm a lifelong depression sufferer,
so yeah, understood.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You know you have a fan club here, yes, yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
But it's the thing about us as well as we
kind of we never did the you know, Edgy imaging
very well, and I think so at that era. We
would we would play these radio shows and it would
be like us and you know, what's Henry Rollin's day

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and whole whole collective soul. They'd say hi, but like
we were just it was bizarre because we were the
theater geeks again, and everybody was like, really Edgy, the
great Frickin' bands, but they would pass us in the
hall and like not even acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Knock your books of your hand are trip.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
They were never mean. They just we did not exist.
They would walk past us with no acknowledgment of our existence.
We did not belong, which is fine, but I mean
that was the era, right, There was this attitude that
you had to like that if you weren't outwardly gnarly,
you didn't have anything complicated inside. And I think part

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of the reason that we got popular in that It's
a little like when Nora Jones came out, there had
been this trend of female artists being like super edgy,
sexual smart, you know, it's like it's and she just
made beautiful music and played and sang really well, and
people were like, oh, thank god, like you can still

(24:47):
do that blowfish. You know, everything was edgy, edgy, edgy,
edgy and hoody was just like wanted to hold your hand,
and nobody else was saying that at the time. And
and you know, I do think our place there is
we kind of spoke, you know, before the nerds ran
the world, right, This was just before nerds from becoming millionaires.

(25:11):
And and I think we spoke to the nerds. They
were our people.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
There's a lot of them out there. There's a lot
of my think there's a few in this room right now,
and I you know what, we're all there with you,
and we needed a voice. You opened.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Think about this way.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
You sort of paved the way for the nerds.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
I don't know if we we gave them a little
solace on the way. We we were the band that
like when they dropped their pencil on the bus, just
leaned down and handed it back to them with a
smile instead of taunting them mercilessly. I think that was
more our role.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's very good. But you know, you guys were fierce,
You really were. You know you're playing this like you know,
I'm the quiet little nerd role, but you told the
what Sprocket has always been a fiercely independent band. You
turned down amounts of money to sign with Columbia so
you could have creative control. You turned down Dick Clark's
New Year's Rock and Eve because they wanted you to
lip sync and you said, no, we're not about that.

(26:10):
And I applaud you bravo for taking a stand when
that wasn't actually cool to do at the time.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Thank you, Yeah, yep SAand note of money, Apparently I'm
really good at that.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Most musicians I think are deep down.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
A lifelong made a lifelong commitment to that one.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Do you ever regret the decision? Though? Do you look
back and do you ever say, you know what, maybe
I should have played nicer with the label. Maybe I
should have just you know, played the game. And I mean,
do you think your career would have went differently if
you did, or would it have maybe just gone the
same way?

Speaker 6 (26:46):
I don't know. I remember like a Pat Benaitar quote.
I think it was Pat Benatar because she never did endorsements.
She had this very bard selling out line and she
was like, although the unfortunately somebody just did congress joy
me for this stuff. So there you go. But we
were the same and she said yeah, and now, like
you know, thirty years later, like no one ever came

(27:08):
up and patted me on the back and said, like,
thanks Pat for keeping it real. Frankly, I could have
used the money.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
So there's I mean, we had a very indie attitude
for a band on a major label, and I think
Donnie Einer, who ran Columbia, could never understand that.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
I just didn't really want to be that famous. I
wanted to make a living, but I didn't have that
need to win. I was just talking with a friend
about this recently, and that can happen in any job, right,
Like the if the attitude is I want to be
on top, I want to be you know, hit the
upper atmosphere. I just didn't want to get hurt by

(27:53):
being exposed and criticized by everybody. And I got that anyway,
because like the second that all I Want became a hit,
the indie people who had previously supported us, like we
got you know, there was a like a columnist in
remember Tower Pulse magazine. They were a period of months

(28:13):
where every single like that front editorial he would use
us as the punchline for a joke and like bag
on us every single issue, and like we were not
the cool kids, and they really let us know. And
it was incredibly difficult for me, like to have all

(28:36):
that criticism. We were doing well commercially right, doing well
on MTV, selling records, doing well live, but the critics
really turned on us for a while, and that was
it really hurt. It deeply hurt. And you always want
the people who don't like you to like you, and
you don't pay attention, you know, the stupid thing is

(28:56):
not paying attention to the people who.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do like it matter.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
But yeah, yeah, and so it was a strange thing.
We were on a major label, but we were playing
we were trying to play a kind of indie game,
and that doesn't necessarily work. I think you have to
stake your claims. But I think what we didn't do.

(29:19):
I think you have to be proactive about what you
actually are. And in terms of you know, even with
photos or whatever, videos, we would think of them, oh
I got a well, I guess it's a single, Like okay,
pick a director, show up one day and we'll see
what we get.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, right, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Then you don't know that that's going to be like
what people think you are. For years we were kids.
I was, you know, twenty three, I was twenty one
when we did the All I Want video, And so
there's this by you know, we thought ori Em didn't
have an image. We thought they just were what they were,

(29:58):
and we're going to like, we're going to be that,
We're just going to show up as we are, no artifice,
and actually Rim I think was really careful about how
they were seen. And the image was that they didn't
have an image.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
But they had an image, but.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
They had an image, and we just kind of left
an open space for people to fill in which we
didn't have our story together. I think very well, and
so I think it's actually important to play the game
a little. But you have to decide, you have to

(30:34):
understand the game, and you know, you can't just be
on a major label. I think what really ended the
band the first time around was we'd never taken any
advance from the label aside from recording costs, and it
took us. It still took us because this is the
way the business works. We'd sold I think a million

(30:56):
and a half records before we ever saw a royalty check. Wow,
but we weren't you know, they were spending money on videos.
I mean we spent more. We would spend twice as
much on a single video than we spent on the
album because you were shooting on film back in those days.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, you weren't doing those.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Yeah, so we're paying back for that. But we never
got any rent money from the company at that point,
and so we were like, on the last record on Coil,
it's like, well, let's take a big advance. We never
took a big advance before, so let's put a little
money in our own pockets, and we didn't realize that
if you take that money, you have to play that game.

(31:35):
Yes you can't. You can't continue acting like an indie
band on a major label. And it was difficult. It
didn't work very well. And we were, you know, young,
I was what twenty six by then? Yeah, I can't
be you. You know, I have two daughters who were

(31:56):
older than I was when the band broke up.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
You blink, it's over. I know, it's like.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
Crazy, crazy, it's crazy. And I have another My youngest
daughter is older than I was at the peak of
our career. So it's it's really strange, man.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
It is.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
So we didn't get it, and uh, you know, I
think I think we I don't know. I like to
think if we'd had some great advice, we might have
done a better job of all that and maybe even
kept the band together, done a few side projects and
then come back together. But uh, I don't know. Maybe

(32:33):
we did get that advice and didn't listen to it,
and we thought we knew everything.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
You know, that's part of being young. You think you
know everything and then you realize you didn't, and then
but you still hold on that you did sort of
that's like the secret of being young, but you know
it didn't you know, you're painting this story of like, oh,
you know, woe is me? But I gotta say, you know.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
No, it's it's not woe is me.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
No, no, no joking, I'm sorry joking. No, no, no,
because I gotta say, it's incredible. Your career. I think
about it four decades. Most people can't get four minutes
nowadays with anything, any kind of fame, and if it is,
it's bad fame. So like fall Down, the song I
played in the beginning, fall Down, your single, it's my
favorite that you guys did, and thank you. It just

(33:17):
turned thirty last year and it is held up extremely
well after three decades. The message is even still very
relevant today, even maybe more so. And it was nineteen
ninety four when that was really Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
I think the concepts we wrote about, I mean, we
were writing about angst and self reflection and death and
you know, and those. I think our material has I mean,
not all of it in a production way, but thematically
a lot of it has aged pretty well. Yeah, we
weren't writing songs about like you know, you know, hey,

(33:55):
little sixteen year old you know, it's like, you know,
it wasn't about going to the club and getting drunk.
It's it so, you know, angst is forever.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Unfortunately, Yes, yes.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
And we've had I wasn't trying to be what was me?
I think you asked about the you know, with the company,
and I think I think we made some errors and
and honestly had a tough learning process. I mean, we
were huge at twenty one, and we were over by
the age of twenty seven. I had two kids, I
couldn't get a record deal. I went into a major, long,

(34:33):
extreme depression and still went on the road at a
time where I should have been getting help. And I
stent a lot of fans away by being so depressed
on stage that I you know, I wasn't any good
to anybody. And so it's been a long process. I mean,

(34:55):
the amazing thing is that, you know, in the early
two thousands we got together, we took about five years off.
We played chows, and the first times we played shows
there was so much bad blood. It's like we kept
finishing and I like, never again, never again. And we
came to a point like we've been finding peace in

(35:20):
as we've matured, Like it's one of the things about
the fact that none of us are like aggressive, violent people.
We would all rather bite our tongue and get along, you.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Know, you were they were never the aggressors.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, and so I mean, it is this amazing thing,
especially in the last few years. The relationships have been
getting so much better. People are happier, we're getting older.
We didn't say the things that would have made it,
and I mean, maybe we'll get to go under the
hood at some point more and heal some of it.

(35:58):
I'm not a person who early believes and just tamping
it down. I like to have things, you know, meet
things more head on. Sure, but there is a resilience
that this band has had in being able to still
be together and still try to see the best in
each other. We sound better than we've ever sounded like

(36:20):
the live shows. So it's so much good. It's good,
so much better.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
The stuff you're putting out there, with the acoustic and
the videos you've been putting out, they are incredible.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
Thank you. It's been like to feel like we're growing
at this point and improving is remarkable. And that also
the relationships slowly and surely are also doing that that
were happier on stage. If you saw us ten years ago,
there wasn't a lot of smiling at each other on
stage enough if like you look at it, there was

(36:53):
a period where if you looked at another guy, it'd
be like, what what did I do? And now you
look at somebody and you smile, and it's like it's
pretty good. Hunt, Yeah, Yeah, this is fun. Yeah, And
I never thought we'd be able to do that. And
I'm so proud of us that we have. Like it's
been a long road and and it's our audiences fed

(37:16):
it back to us as well, because I think as
we have put more into the show and put more
into each other, that people can feel that. And our
audiences are been getting bigger the last few years. I
mean some of that is just the nineties or a thing. Now.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes, they are coming back full force right now. They've
been back, but they're coming, you know, more back again.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
It's our second round of nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, you know, in two thousand and three, the song
that I was mentioning, fall Down, you got traction again
because it was featured in billions and it was what
the number one such song on Shazam an entire week
after the episode aired. Really, yes, know that that's proof
good music doesn't agean Yes, that's your friend, right, Yeah,

(38:00):
you guys are clothes.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
And he's yeah, he was an ANAR guy. So he
when he was at Tufts as a kid, he heard
Tracy Chapman playing in a coffee shop and ended up
getting her signed to Electra Records and became an ANAR
guy there. So when he was like twenty two, I
think he was Metallica's ANAR guy really, and then he

(38:24):
decided he and his friend David Levine were like they
were movie buffs, and after they saw what was Tarantinos
for his Reservoir Dogs, he's like, we need to write movies,
and Rounders was their first ever screenplay.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
Like, he was a total outsider in that world, but
he he works his ass off and he has He's
one of those people who can just kind of keep
his He's the same guy no matter who he's with.
And so that personality that could help him walk into
like a film production office and get backing also made

(39:03):
it so that he could walk into an underground poker
game in New York and have people trust him and
talk to him. He's always the same guy and Yeah,
so he's been a friend like forever, and yeah, I
had no idea that I wish he'd put more of
our songs.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Into the amen. Well there's still time. It sounds like,
you know, but seriously, good music never ages, and that's
what I find with Toad the Wet Sprocket. It's just
good music. And I'm so happy you're going back on tour,
and I want to We're gonna take a little bit
of a break because I want to talk about that
and all of the other things you have going on.
I'm dorean Taylor. You're listening to the scene with Dorene.
And when we come back, I'm gonna chat more with

(39:42):
the wonderfully talented Glenn Phillips of Toad the Wetsprocket. We
talk more about his creative process heading out on his
twenty twenty five national tour, and we're gonna wrap it
all up right after this. You don't want to miss it.

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Speaker 2 (42:55):
Welcome back to the Semadorian part of the Beasley Media
Group family. I am your host, Oring Taylor, and I
have been chatting with founding member, lead singer and songwriter
Glenn Phillips of Toad the Wetsprocket. That was a small
excerpt of their tune Nancy and Glenn, I gotta say.
You're heading out on the twenty twenty five Good Intentions
Tour starting in July twenty six, select cities across the country,

(43:18):
and you're doing it with a great lineup of bands
rotating throughout the tour. How do you select your groups
when you're gonna go, when you're gonna say who's gonna support?
Because you're headlining, who do you pick?

Speaker 6 (43:29):
How do you pick? Well, it's a combo. I mean
there's a part of this. You know, we've we've kept
making new records, but we also understand that we're a
legacy band. And you know I've said before, I don't know,
I always go off on tangents, but like there is
an element about like you keep writing songs, but the

(43:51):
songs you heard in your early twenty like it's it's
a method of time travel. It takes you back somewhere,
takes you back, even if it is like a really
hard time. I think there's something about music that brings
you back in a way that gives you objectivity and
compassion for yourself. Like that song that's the worst breakup
you ever had, and you hear it again and instead

(44:12):
of feeling traumatized traumatized by it, you feel like, what
a hard time? I remember that it brings you back, Yeah,
but it brings you back with a little compassion and objectivity. Yeah.
And so so we've sometimes when we're out just doing

(44:33):
like you know, summer it's a little more of a
festival thing and the three band bill. A lot of
the time we'll go out, it'll be more just us
and we'll try to bring it up and coming artist
and bring bring somebody to expose them to a new audience.
For the summer tour, we've been finding it really works
well to do more of a package tour and keep
it more about the memories. But so we're out this

(44:59):
summer with expensive on the richer, Yes, and I believe
they're back to original line, which is awesome, and also Jayhawks,
which is going to be absolutely incredible. Yes, So it
was originally going to be semi sonic, and they've had
some medical issues that they thought were going to be

(45:21):
everybody's going to be okay, but that they thought would
be resolved and they're unable to come out on the tour,
and which I'm really sad about. Dan Wilson's been a
friend for a very long time Wavered and some amazing
songs together. But yeah, when that when that ended up

(45:42):
kind of unraveling, it was like, what are we going
to do? And I feel so lucky to have the Jayhawks.
I have that band, They're so good live and there's
not a single person I told about it that hasn't
call it. You have the Jayhawks, like, so it's going
to be it's going to be great. And Katie Tunstall
also going to be doing I saw that more in
the fall. That's some in the summer, So I'm stoked

(46:05):
this is going to be I'm really excited about all
the bands we're playing.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
With this absolutely and you know, also something near and
dear to my heart, You're giving back on this tour.
You've partnered with the National Parks Foundation to help support
our national treasures, which is much much needed right now.
And I know you've supported other nonprofits, you know, through
the band's career, But why the National Parks for this tour.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
It's a meeting park. We you know, take these things around.
Todd is really our guitarist, is a really dedicated outdoorsman fisherman,
and I am a hiker, and you know, and I mean,
you know, so we have our own personal vested interest
in just keeping these places beautiful, but also keeping the biodiversity,

(46:54):
keeping the land, you know, the safe from human develop
plopment in a world that's increasingly getting paved over, in
a world that has been complaining about being so paved over. Uh,
you know, these are the lungs of our country and
uh and they're not something that we can create again

(47:17):
once it's gone. That biodiversity, that interweaving of species, plant
and animal is absolutely necessary to our survival. Uh And
uh yeah, I mean that that's that's about it. And
it's in greater danger than it has ever been. It's

(47:37):
it's a short sighted thing to go. It's just a
bunch of line. You could build hotels on.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
You know, lots of warehouses. Now that's like the big thing,
especially over here on the East Coast. It's everything is
a warehouse.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
Data centers. Yes, yes, so I mean we're yeah, it's
like something's got to be said in this world. I agree,
you know, the we we have. We're not going to Mars.
I'll just say that we have one as much as
they want on it.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, there is.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
No planet b. We are on this planet and we
have already had a massive impact on it, and we
need to keep these spaces. We need to give our
children and our grandchildren and their children access to these
wild spaces. Well so yeah, yeah, you know that's why.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I said near and dear to my heart in my
former life before I became a wonderful radio TV host.
I twenty sixteen, I was selected by the National Parks
Conservation Association to perform Colors of the USA, which became
their anthem for their centennial. So yeah, so I said,
I when I saw that, I was like, I gotta,
I gotta bring that up because that's such an important

(48:53):
thing to myself as well. So thank you, thank you
for doing that and giving back a lot of artists,
they say, you know what, more money, more money, ka
ching kuching, because where you make your money touring and
they're never giving back. And I love that you are
doing that again, like I mentioned in the beginning, paying
it forward with your gift.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah. And in addition to that, you collaborate with other
artists as well. I got to give you a shout out.
Steve Postell had him on the spot like guess and
I know you collaborated with the song on his new album.
So you're always busy. You had a solo career that
went really well. What do you prefer? Do you like performing?
You know, writing, you know, with the exchange of creative

(49:32):
creative ideas. Do you like free and independent self expression
or yeah, you like all of it? Huh?

Speaker 6 (49:39):
I like it all. I love collaboration. I love I
love playing live, I mean solo or with the band.
I there's you know, I have a lot of solo
records and side projects, and I don't get to play
those songs when I'm out with Toad. So you know,
I have a huge catalog that I like to be

(50:00):
able to address when I'm doing my own thing. You know,
it's much much smaller. But it's not quantity, it's quality.
It's not quantity, it's quality. And I need the balance
because I also understand Toad is more of a show
and Toad is you know, we understand kind of what

(50:23):
our function is. Toad is putting on a show, and
they are the songs we must do. When I go
play solo, I just like write down forty songs on
a piece of paper and I don't know what I'm
going to say, and I don't know what songs I'm
going to play in what order. I just exciting.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (50:41):
Yeah, it's a little more of a free shite wire,
whereas Toad it's like we're trying to nail something specific, right,
And so yeah, it's a really different world. And I
love collaborating with other songwriters. I mean, I'm finally getting
to an age where it's I hope I can find

(51:02):
ways of making a living at home in the next whenever.
I mean, what's wonderful is I can make a living
being on the road. But it means, you know, like
last year it was sixty Toad shows and then forty
solo shows and so he was busy. Yeah, yeah, gone
about half the year. And when you're coming and going
all the time, it's really hard to like get a

(51:25):
you know, creative flow going. I'm not twenty. You know,
when you're in your twenties, you just think everything you
do is good.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
You sleep tomorrow or you don't, never sleep. You just
keep going. You don't worry about those things eating, what's eating?
You just keep going.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
And now it's like I need to know what project
I'm working on. It really helps me to have a
collaborator when I write, just to keep to have someone
to answer to so I don't get distracted or I
don't go, ah, this is crap. Somebody already wrote this
song better, you know. And so yeah, it's interesting getting older.

(51:58):
I would I would like to tour or bless someday.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, but you're not doing that. You're because you know,
if it weren't enough, not yet, if not, if headlining
the twenty twenty five Good Intention Store wasn't enough, told
the what sprocket. Now they're putting the finishing touches on
an acoustic Greatest Hits album and it's set for release
later this year. But I do I have to say
it again, your music strips down beautifully to acoustic, and

(52:23):
I love you're posting it.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
You're not like a stripped down acoustic. It's a pretty
produced record.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
It is, but it's beautiful.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
It's but it's it's it's great to be able to
reinterpret these songs.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Uh. I like them in some cases, in some cases better.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
I feel like we're we've got a great thing here,
and so we're really we've been really excited about it.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
It's good, yes, and so I want everyone go to
toad Thewetsprocket dot com. Check out the band's music, all
the tour dates, buy some cool merch by the way,
sign up for the newsletter, and stay connected to everything
that has Towed the Wet Sprocket and of course, the
fabulous Glenn Phillips. Glenn, I wish I could keep you forever.
This went so fast. This is really one of my

(53:09):
faster interviews I've ever had. I just everything you say,
I have. I have a thousand questions here I didn't
even get to but I just want to thank you
because I know you're so busy.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
You're so welcome. I also I have to ask you
a question. You're your intro bumper. Have you heard Dolly Partons?
What's going on.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
No, I use the four non blonde version, but yeah, no,
I have not.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Give it a lesson. She does a great does a
great version of it. But my favorite thing about it
too is and it's the most Dolly parton possible thing
to have done with that song. It's pray, Oh my God,
and I pray for a resolution, not a revolution, a resolution.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
So Dolly it is.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Everything comes back to Dolly. All my guests in somewhere
in other you know, they all Artemis Pile, all these
people who have been on my show, have worked with Dolly,
been with I said, Dollar's got to come on. That's
like my next one. That's got to be the white Whale.

Speaker 6 (54:03):
I get that is.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
The very very pink and blonde. No, beautiful, amazing Dolly
and Dolly, if you're listening, I'm putting it in the cosmos.
Now you're coming on the show, and Glenn is going
to join us again because I think you I think
got a little crush for Oh yeah, we all do.
Oh thank you so much, Glenn. Please anytime come back,
and when you're in town, I would love to come

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out and check you out. I know you're going to
be in uh Redding, Pa. I think that's the closest
you're coming to Philly at the Santander I believe arena.
So I would love to come out and say hi, Yeah,
please do yeah, definitely. Thank you so much. Now go
get some sleeing. Yes, thank you.

Speaker 11 (54:42):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
You have a wonderful pay you, Thank you, Bye you too.
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of Toad the Wet Sprocket. And thank you again for
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Bye.

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I'm Brian Shook. President Trump is leaving the G seven
summit in Canada due to tensions in the Middle East.
Trump arrived in Canada Sunday and was set to stay
until Tuesday night. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt said
on Acts that much was accomplished, but that Trump would
be leaving following dinner with heads of state due to

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what's going on in the Middle East. The man accused
of killing a Minnesota state lawmaker and her husband is
facing federal murder and stalking charges. Minnesota Acting US Attorney
Joseph Thompson said vance Belter visited the homes of two
other lawmakers with the intention of harming them, but one
was not home and he was scared off by police

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at the other. President Trump is stepping up the ice
raids following more than a week of protests in Los Angeles.
On Sunday, Trump announced he's directing his administration to use
every resource possible on mass deportation efforts. California Governor Gavin
Newsom and Trump are still at odds over National Guard
troops on the streets of LA.

Speaker 11 (57:47):
The three judge panel is expected to hear arguments from
both sides. Newsom says the National Guard is under his
jurisdiction and Trump only sent them to instill fear in
the community. President Trump says he has the right to
federalize the troops and they were sent to protect the
law enforcement that we're trying to disperse violent and rowdy
crowds during protests against ice raids. I'm Jason Campedonia.

Speaker 13 (58:07):
Karen Reid is being denied a motion to amend verdict
slips as the jury deliberates in her murder retrial in Massachusetts. Today,
Reid explained why her lawyers wanted to add not guilty
boxes to each of the lesser offenses, ranging from involuntary
manslaughter to drunk driving.

Speaker 8 (58:25):
I think what happened last year with the same verdict
form explains the jurism cells phone is confusing and have
said as much, so we just wanted to avoid that again.

Speaker 13 (58:32):
President Trump says the US has signed a trade deal
with the United Kingdom. You're listening to the latest from
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