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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two dot org.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Coming to you from the City of Brotherly Love. It's
the scene with Doren going behind the scenes with the
biggest stars and getting to know the person behind the personality.
I'm Shadow Stevens and no here's your host, billboard charting
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recording artist and raining queen on the scene, Dorene Taylor.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hello, Hello, Hello, hello, and welcome to the scene with Doreen.
Of course, like the introduction says, I'm Doren Taylor, and
I am thrilled to be here with my incredible producer,
the wonderful matmn Aric.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'm mat Hey, Dorian.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
How's it going doing?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Okay, everything's going, you know, the same. You know, someone
gets slower, Things get slower in the summer.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
But before you know it, the summer will be over.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh it is.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's almost about it halfway ready.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Yeah, oh yeah, almost the middle of July.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So yeah, we're losing daylight already. You know, I think
what June twenty first is the most daylight we have,
and then after day after that it gets less than.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
It seems like the daylight has been teasing us though,
because it seems like it's been sunny and then all
of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
There's like a monsoon every day.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
Come.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I remember, just like the other week, I was driving
home and I'm driving and I get an alert on
my phone saying tornado warning in Concha Hocken area, and
I'm like, oh crap, I'm driving hawking right now.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You're there when it was happening, yeah, doing.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
I was on the scoogle, and you know, there's nothing
you could do, so I was like, okay, So I
put on my phone and I put on I put
on record video or whatever, just to see just in
case there was something, you know, that was cool.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And as you were spinning around like the Wizard of
Oz and you're like, oh, ahead, I'm getting a little
dizzy here, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I would have had, you know, live coverage, because.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, there you go. You were ready. You're gonna be
a storm chaser.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Yeah, I don't think I've seen twister and the other one. Yeah,
I've seen the guy get scooped up in the tornado.
I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, that's true, and nowadays you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I never thought tornadoes would happen in like this area
of the country. It doesn't really happen. And now I
had one several years ago, less than a mile away.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's a lot a lot more different.
Uh you know types of storms and natural does that
natural big.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Week whatever somewhere?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean it's every week, and it's like they're getting
bigger and worse and worse and worse. That's the story
for a different day, because yes, my goodness.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But you know, it was funny.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I was on social media the other day and uh,
I was looking at you know, I get thembarded by
ads and of course everything, you know, clothing, like I
look at in fashion and I.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Was looking at this one site and it had this.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Cool jacket and I'm just you know, there was one
color choice a crew, which I'm like, okay, it's like
a white off white. And then next to this blue
color and the color name was Doreen.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Do what kind of color was it?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Blue? It looked like a denim. It looked like a
blue denim.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
What's your favorite color?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I don't know, maybe blue probably now it's blue. It
might be blue because you know, but it's just so weird.
I was like, when did my name become a color?
So I'm looking it up and I'm like, no, there
is really like I missed something all these years of
my life, you know, these decades.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
No, there's really I don't know where that came from.
I don't know. It's very odd.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And I almost was tempted to buy the jacket just
because I said, it's sort of fate.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I didn't like it that much, and it was like
two hundred and eighty dollars. I was like, I don't
like it that much. So yeah, it was a little
weird though, to see my my name as a color and.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Maybe one of the maybe one of the designers or
somebody that owns the company has a relative named Doreen
or somebody that works there there, you know, I don't
it's very weird.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But then I started searching this said, you know, that's
that's interesting. So I was like, you know, you always
figure out things we need to talk about here in
the beginning.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Of our shows. And I was like, so, what do
names really mean?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And I looked at Matthew and I looked up your
meaning and you are gift of God or gift from God.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And I said, that's very nice. You're your God's gift.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And then I look up my name and I am
gift from God and I.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Was like, how is that? I was like, how is
that possible?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
We have the exact same meeting and translation of our
names and whatever, you know, origin of the word.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
How the heck did that happen?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I mean, I looked up other names. I said, we
maybe everybody's a gift of God. So I looked up
Scott and Jason and all these other names.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
No, it was just us interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's very weird. We're both gifts from God. That's going
to leave to some interesting conversation.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, throughout the year arrogant.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But then you know, you start searching like personality traits
and I don't buy into like astrology and all that stuff,
but then you start looking at like what do like
the personality things? I gotta tell you, I was reading
them to you before the show, and you're like, oh damn, Like.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Yeah, some of them are pretty accurate.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Like you, let's see, you were a very creative, big
and communicy, very work oriented. Yeah, yeah, that you you're
principled in that way. I think you know, I would
say that's about right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You're you're trustworthy, I would I would hot.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Passionate, grounded, Yeah, not just in high school but grounded,
you know. But yeah, I think that's sort of I
would think that's you from everything I know about, unless
there's a side of you I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
I would I would agree with those.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And mine is that I'm a cat lady.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
It says that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I have my my negatives is that I I sometimes,
through misunderstandings, have.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
A lot of a loan time. What a nice thing.
But I'm a gift from God.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
That means out of proportion.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And people ghost you. I have no you know what, probably,
but I have no idea where they came from.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But I'm like, yeah, you know what, maybe maybe and
I'm very self conscious.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, from what I know of you doing this, Yeah,
you definitely are.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah I do.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I am very like grounded that way, Like I'm not,
I'm not. I do not believe I'm a gift from God.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Let's put it out.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, but it's kind of interesting so now that I'm
sort of more into that now with the names and everything.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But I thought, you know, interesting that we were both
the same.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, and you know today on the show, this is
a I don't know how I'm going to segue this,
but I figure, you know what will names and really
cool things. And this is a very cool band from
the nineties.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
You could say they're gift to music.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Gift to music, a collective gift to music in my soul.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
I like that?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Is that good?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Yeah, let's let's cut this part off and get right
to it before we screw it up.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I like that. I think we're good. We can't top it.
Let's go, my heart, Let's go.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Fifteen million albums worldwide, six of which have gone gold
or platinum, and seven number one singles. The triple multi
platinum rock band Collective Soul has been a dominant force
in the music industry for over thirty years and defined
the post grunge era with mega hits like Shine the World,
I Know, December, Heavy, and Where the River Flows. They
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have rightfully taken in their place as one of the
most influential bands of the nineties and beyond.
Speaker 9 (07:04):
Take a listen, Delight should shout.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Down so.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm stop.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
About Oh Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Collective Soul is only just getting started with the next
phase of their thriving career that has sold millions of
records and wowed multitudes of fans across the globe. Their
newest studio album Here to eternity spawned the release of
their first ever documentary, Give Me a Word, The Collective
Soul Story, which was released July eighth via Trinity Content Partners.
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Along with that, they are hitting the road again this
summer with Live and Our Lady Apiece in select cities
nationwide and first up today, I'm excited to have original
member and rhythm guitarist of Collective Soul Dean Roland on
the show.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Dean, Welcome to the scene with Doreen.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Thank you for having me, Doreen.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
My pleasure.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
While that rhymes, You've got a lot of Dean Seene Doreen.
That was a little crazy, as I'm a poet.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And seen here, I guess right here.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yes, yes, you know you are seen on the scene.
That's the place to be on the scene. Oh my god,
we could do this all day and it's going to
I don't want to exhaust you already mentally before we
even get started.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So that happened like years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Oh boy, is there anything left for me? I don't know.
We're going to try to see. Is it like a
scab that you keep picking?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
No, no, no, Well I got to say the role
in family from Atlanta was blessed with some impressive musical genes,
weren't you.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I mean, i'd like to, I guess think so a
lot of us.
Speaker 10 (09:35):
I think some hard work thrown in there, Like you
have an aptitude for something that you love and a
passion for something. And my brother and Will and I
and the other guys of the band taken that, you know,
that opportunity and tried to make most of it. O.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Kah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, besides your brother Ed, who's the front man and
main songwriter for the band, your father was a voice major.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
In college, and your mom played piano as well.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (10:01):
Yeah, our dad he was in a We grew up
in a small town just outside of Atlanta called Stockbridge,
and our father was he was a minister of music
after he had gone to school to do the voice major,
and he was like, if you just had a passion
for music, and then he later became the preacher of
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the first Baptist church there in Stockbridge. What we were
always surrounded by music, you know, he's saying. Our mother
played piano and part of their gig was they would
rehearse every Sunday morning before we would go to you know,
Sunday school and church. Service, and she's playing piano and
our dad's singing, and.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So it was always I don't know if we ever
had a chance.
Speaker 10 (10:47):
To not do anything but music, I don't. I don't
think I would have been a banker. I'd have been
a terrible banker or any other occupation. There was really
no alternative path for us.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It feels like, yeah, it's kind.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Of like the nameature versus nurture argument, which one was it?
Or a little column? A little column maybe, but you
had it all kind of stacked for you right away.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
I've thought about that many times in my life. I'm like,
is you know the nature versus nurture argument? I'm like, oh, gosh,
you know, I know there's you know, our father had
he definitely had the love of music, and.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It was it was inside of him.
Speaker 10 (11:22):
And I think that that DNA has passed through. And
I don't know how that obviously, I don't. I'm not
smart enough to know how that works. But I see
and I have my wife and I we have a
six year old daughter, and I can.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Kind of see some of, you know, what's going on there.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
And then I'm still confused because I'm like, she's surrounded
by musical instruments and we play music in the house.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So I don't know, I give up. I'll just let
it be what it is is over my pay grade.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Well, who does she like?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is she like a Taylor Swift fan or does she
like more of the rockers like her dad.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
She is.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
In an interesting space where she's taking it all in.
She's like discovering like little pieces here and there, like
she does like Taylor Swift. Yes, yeah, I get it,
yeah yeah. And then like we just we just played
a couple of shows with Cheap Trick, which is cool,
one of our my favorite bands. And I would speak
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for the other fellows in.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
The band just you know, you.
Speaker 10 (12:24):
Growing up listening to some of those songs and play
with them. So I'll play some of that type of stuff,
and you know, I'll play one of their songs for
her the other day that she hadn't heard because I
just get to the right age and I played her
Surrender and she like, yeah, okay, I dig.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It, I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, Okay, that's good. I can. I don't always have
to listen to Disney or Broadway music. I can. I
can hear from there's a blend I can. Uh. We
can cross over here where.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Oh yeah she likes and you know, and I'll that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And it's a good testament to say that great music
never ages. It doesn't matter if it's produced. A good
song can be produced almost in any different way, but
it's still cool and it's cool.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Like you guys, thirty years later, it's still cool.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, yeah, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 10 (13:17):
I agree with you too, Like a great song is
undeniable in whatever configuration or arrangement or even genre you
want to put it in.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's just it's there and it speaks, and that's I
think that's what keeps our band together.
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Like we fell in love with the power of what
a song is, and that's what we've always tried to do,
is to serve the song and see what comes out
of those sparks that generate to get it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
To that place. Yeah, it's the fun, fun little experiment
that we have.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I like that terminology and experiment. I think other people would.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Say it, would say that's more of a proven law
or you know, like they say theory or a lot. Yeah,
we're getting into Einstein relativity and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Blew my mind. No, we're not going to go there.
It's too early for that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I em square.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's only no.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So I will take music any day of the week
because I can learn more from music. Honestly, at that point,
I can absorb a lot more from what I'm listening
to rather than that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
But anyway, that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It'll definitely heighten your EQ over your IQ. Thing.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Oh I like that?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh I do that should be? Is that did you
trademark that? If not, I love that trademark that.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, you gotta have.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
T shirts heighten your EQ over your IQ, or your
EQ heightens your IQ.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
I do think the emotional question is is definitely undervalued.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think that's more important than the IQ. But that's
just me.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
What no, No, I agree with you, So I guess
it's both of us.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
What do we know? I think that's I'm with you
in your camp.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, okay, good, we got allies.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I like it, well, you know, collective, Still doing my
research about everything and diving in. You guys have a
very interesting backstory because your brother Ed he was really
creating an a basement all of these demos. He went
to what Berkeley, I believe, and he was quite the musician.
He made this demo of what would become the mega
hit Shine.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
It got out there and it caught traction.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Orlando I believe picked it up, and then all of
a sudden he had to say, oh my god, I
gotta perform this. So then he put together the band.
So the band kind of came after the fact.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, I mean there was configuration. So like.
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Ed and I are ten years apart in age, pardon me.
So he when he graduated high school, he went to
Berkeley School of Music. I think he did that for
a little while and then came back to our hometown
and he worked at Will's, our bass player's father studio,
and that's where he learned to engineer and produce and
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really honed in his songwriting craft. And over the years
there would be like bands that kind of we would
get together and play in some of those tracks, and
that's what ended up being hints allegations, but most of
that was just doing a songwriting demo like Shine was.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Essentially every it was all ed.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
And that second record that we made was what we
felt like was the first band record.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Right, the Blue album, right, the second correct.
Speaker 10 (16:30):
The Blue album with the world I know December, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So that that was the record that we were striving
to make. But when hints allegations came out and Shine
became such a like a I mean, the viral thing
back then was not like it is today, like social
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media and it's you know, all those things and it
happens really fast. Back then, it was the viral was
like this antiquated way of or her a song on
the radio all up the radio station and say, can
I hear that?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What was that song? Can I hear it again?
Speaker 10 (17:04):
So we were like that sort of antiquated analog way
of the viral thing in the early nineties, and that
song became it was an organic hit, you know for us.
We didn't It was a five minute long pop song
that we didn't We did not anticipate at all. We
didn't choose it to be the single. It just kind
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of happened on its own, and we just rode that wave.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, you can't deny it when something happens like that,
especially like you're saying, it's not that where you can
pay per ads on Google Search and Facebook and all
these things. This was a real people's you know, maybe
listening today don't realize how difficult it was to get
something out there. Especially you guys you were indy at first,
you did not break that big thing.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
On a major like Atlantic.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Later it was you know, it was really real that
an Indian record.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It was unheard of back in the day.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
Yeah, we kind of we book marked our career with
we started out as an independent, like legitimate independent like
Bootstrap and figuring out how to do it it called
organically caught attention of major label, signed to a major label,
negotiated out of the major label contract to become independent again,
and that was like in two thousand and one, I think,
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so we've been back to the independent side of things
for the past twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm a firm, firm fan and believer of indie labels
and indie recording artists because I just think it's harder
to happen, but when it happens, it's so much more sweeter.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Happened, and it's I feel like it's.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
It allows the artists to have more of an expression.
Even with the Atlantic years we were blessed to have,
they left us to our own devices, and we they
would kind of like feed us some information here and there,
like maybe let's try this or that. But for the
most part, we did what we've always been able to
do what we wanted. But the independent side of music,
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I just feel I've always been drawn to where you
feel like the artist, the musicians, the songwriters are just
there's an authenticity to it that you can't you can't
shake it, like it's undeniable, if it's if it's real.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I agree, I absolutely agree. That's why I do.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I am a firm like fighter and a fierce like
supporter of independent artists because I do think that that
is like you said, it's that it's undeniable.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
When they have it, they have it and there's not
you know, because it is. It's the big machine. You
talk about all of that, and a label gets involved
and things do change. Because it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Even with Collective Soul's musical style, you were miscategorized so
many times.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You were a bubblegum grunge band.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You were even I mean, it's funny to say, because
you had some religious kind of references in your songs.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
All of a sudden, you're a Christian rock band.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I mean, that's gotta be frustrating at times because you're
out there putting your message out there and people are like, oh, well,
you know, he should be playing in Sunday Church.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know, it's it's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It it was interesting.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
It's like you know, when you get I was twenty
one years old when we got sign, I was so
just very very young. Yeah, and you you get thrown
into this fate and you're just getting bounced around and
people are basically you're staying in the middle of the
storm and they're telling you what you are. I'm like,
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that's not really how.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
We're just playing rock and roll, like we legitimately, like
we love Elvis and Elton John and James Brown and
coming from Atlanta, I mean from Georgia. Like there's such
a conflux of inspirations that we had, you know, whether
it was you know, the Allman Brothers.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
All those things matter to us. But we didn't really.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Feel like and we had the spiritual influence from our
father being a minister and having that background, we didn't
really want to be labeled or identified as anything other
than just.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You know, listen to our songs. That's it. You know,
take it, take it as such.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
But once you're once you're in the machine, the machine
has to find a place for you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
They have to justify their worth and why they're there,
you know.
Speaker 10 (21:12):
And we kind of came a little bit after the
the Seattle all the grunge movement, which I love that
music genuinely do, but wasn't really trying to mimic it
in any sort of fashion. We were just trying to
create songs. So like that's where like bubblegum grunge or
light grunge, all that stuff came from them. Like I
don't even know what that means.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
We're just playing.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But you just take the good.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
It's like anything, you take the good with the bad,
I mean, and you just kind of roll with it,
Like I don't. It puts a little bit quickly you
have a thicker skin to because when you're writing songs
and you're making these records and it's like you are vulnerable.
You put your offering up and your expression up to
the world, and it comes back with like all this
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kind of heart.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It could be pretty harsh.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Then you like in my mind early on, I was
like I'm going to shut that off. And then I
sort of governed the accolades as well, so it was
like I'm not taking too much of the good or
too much of the bad like I'm gonna they absolutely,
you know, listen to constructive criticism and genuine fan people
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that appreciate what we do. But aside from the French stuff,
I can.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Let that go. It's okay.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, critics, I always say, I wish I could just
send them all off to an island somewhere and have
it sync, you know, because critics are just they are
what they are, you know, it's their opinion, and opinions
are worth as we know, you know nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But yeah, yeah, we all have one.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
We all have.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But I won't say well because we're We're on nationally
syndicated radio and TV, so I don't want to bleep
and get my producer more work.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So but you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Saying, Yeah, you take it.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
It's I'll talk to young artists that are, you know,
want to find their way. And I'm not a big
advice giver, but if some of it is, if I
do give it, and if I'm in the moment in
a conversation, it's like, let find your allies and be
sensitive to the vulnerability that you're given because at any
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given time, when you're developing and you're trying to find
your footing and your.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Art expression. Somebody could come in and just like.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Take you out of the kneecaps. It's a very vulnerable
place to be, and so you find your allies and
people that you can trust and just work.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Go and work and be as honest as you can
with your expression.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Amen, if you're proud of what you put out there
and it's really the best representation of who you are
as an artist, you know what, the rest of the
stuff doesn't matter because you can stand by it and say,
you know what, I feel happy with what I put
out there, and nobody else matters.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That's the way it should be.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And it really worked for you, you guys, because you
were creating music that you wanted to create and obviously,
you know, people responded. I mean, triple platinum on the
you know, their first debut, really your official.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Debut, you know, the blue album.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, that's got to say something that it really
doesn't matter about the rest.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think so.
Speaker 10 (24:18):
And yeah, I mean at the end of the day,
it's like what what what do you want to say?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know what, what? What? How do you want to
be perceived?
Speaker 10 (24:27):
And some of it you can control and.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Most of it you can't. So they focus on the
stuff that you can.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Really yes, And you know, I got to give you
like props because you know, in the band there's the
lead guitar and then there's rhythm guitar, and both are
completely different skill sets for people that don't know out there.
Rhythm guitar lays the foundation. The melodic parts build on
top of that.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So you're really you're the core.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You're in that pocket, and you have to know when
to get out of the way, and you've got to
let your parts serve the song.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And is that sometimes challenging for you to? I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Sometimes break out of the mold and just go crazy
sometimes and you really can't.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well no, I'll say this.
Speaker 10 (25:11):
I feel like the best notes I play are the
ones I don't know that that's a true statement.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And it's because I'm a fan of music.
Speaker 10 (25:21):
That's how I found myself in this place.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I love the songs that Ed writes.
Speaker 10 (25:26):
I love the songs that the band creates together.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I love the individual musicianship that goes on.
Speaker 10 (25:33):
I would never be able to or even desire to
do what Jesse Tripley does. He's an amazing musician and
to be a support role in that I'm completely fulfilled,
like on a musician's ship level, I strive as a
songwriter and and I love the role that I played.
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I think I see it as like a on some level,
like a team sport, like everybody plays their their role,
you know, And I don't. I don't feel what's I
don't feel like I'm not heard. And it's okay if
I'm not, Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's a team.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
I'll just kind of look at it from that perspective.
And if if we forgetting the the song across and
it's being the stories, being the narrative is being told, right,
I'm I'm good with it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I absolutely am.
Speaker 10 (26:31):
Like I'm I don't I don't need to be the
lead voice or the lead guitar.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's just not my my, my my thing.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's awesome. Yeah, if I have.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
To do it, I've done it.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Like I have a side project it's called My Magnetine
Ghost with my partner there Ryan Potesta, and I've seen
lead and I'll play lead guitar and all that stuff,
and it's it's fun, it's it's it's a different kind
of experience and challenge. But I'm I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
With it.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
But I just take each experience as a silo and
what role can I participate and help make it the best?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, it's all about the music for you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's not about like the ego which so many young
artists and they all it's how many times, how many
notes can I play in one second? And ye're more
about like what serves the song and that is beautiful. Now,
that's why it's a great formula for collective soul because
everybody plays their role it is.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And I admire the.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Folks, the musicians that come in and play it that way,
like I think it's fantastic, like so's there's no like.
I don't look at it in any sort of like
judgmental or resentful manner, like every band or artist that
they have their own thing, and then I find it interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I just I really do.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
It's true, it's kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like it, but I just I really do.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
That's what I find fascinating about music and bands and
artists and whether it's music or in whatever our format
may be.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And you should have been maybe a philosopher as well.
On the side, I don't know, maybe you should be
the study of human beings. I don't know, we're just
maybe finding another.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Path for you here. Yeah, no, pass well. I got
to say.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Twenty twenty five marks the thirtieth anniversary of the single December,
one of I think Collective Soul's most important tracks to date,
and the entire process from writing to arranging I heard
happened rather quickly for that tune.
Speaker 10 (28:36):
Yeah, it did happened quickly, and that was one of
the few. Like normally, like when we over the years,
we release a record or you know, we put an
album out, and you know, you have to pick and
choose what's going to be the.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
First single or second single.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
Normally, there's kind of like this unspoken understanding like this
this song is going to be it, Like we're we're
going to lead off with this one and that one
in particular, that was the first single off of that record,
and my brother and I we had not a fight,
but we had some you know like yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Heard you guys didn't really like the tune too much
when you presented it, and they're all kind of.
Speaker 10 (29:16):
Like, I love the tune in my head, though, I
was like, we need a different kind of like uptipo
kind of thing. I wasn't falling into like he was
seeing it from a different angle that I wasn't seeing it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I was wrong and he was right. And sometimes
you got to just own up to.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You know what. Let that be the time when you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Let that be the success of that, because that's that's
a nice time to be wrong.
Speaker 10 (29:42):
If it's Yeah, if I'm wrong like that every time,
I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Is it true that that song was inspired by a
falling out between the band and its first manager.
Speaker 10 (29:53):
I think so, Like a lot of the lyrics are
just written from a a little bit of a you know,
ambiguous perspective, but that one was we were going through
a tough time with our first manager, and I think
it was inspired from that.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Good things come from experience.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And I'm very hesitant to talk about lyrics for.
Speaker 10 (30:18):
A On the ones that I didn't write, the ones
that I do, I can speak to a little bit more,
but I don't. I don't want to put ideas in
people's heads, like, because the music is everybody has their
own idea of what it may mean to them. So
I don't feel like if you tell the story, it's
kind of like put it in this in this little
silo over here and then you can't it loses it's
(30:41):
fervor if you will, but it absolutely you know in
saying that it was absolutely inspired.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That one for sure, Yes we can say, you know,
put a period on it.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know, that was thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That's crazy to think, but now looking back and hearing it.
I played it in the montage in the beginning. How
do you think the band has evolved? What do you
think is the biggest change from that kind of quality
of sound, songwriting, engineering, production?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
How have you evolved in thirty years? What's the biggest shift?
Speaker 10 (31:14):
I think really is hopefully, you know, we've gotten better
at our craft. We've gotten we matured as musicians. And
one thing is like patience. We were at that point,
we were so much in a hurry of like don't
lose the moment, you know, like we've been given this opportunity,
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and it's like you win the lottery by getting signed
to a record label, and then you have to win
the lottery again to have a record that's a hit
record or you know that's heard. And we were in
this role where we were, you know, you know, winning
the lottery multiple times.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
It was like good God.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
So there was like this urgency to like maintain that.
And I feel like as we've gotten older and through
the years more experienced, and it's like you learn to
slow it down and it's going to be okay. And
obviously it comes from having success that we're.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Able to afford that, I guess is it. But I
think it is like patients.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
And allowing like the inspiration to come instead of like
having to go like force force ourselves to find it.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You know, well said that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Absolutely makes sense, And you're right.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Youth is sometimes squandered on the young and they don't
have that experience to learn that. You know, maybe sometimes
it's okay to just let something happen naturally and not
force something. And so many people want it now now
now now, I mean most people in general, but especially
with the youth. And I can see that as being
something that has to evolve over time.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
You guys have to learn that, I.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
Think, yeah, because it was like like now it's like
we're we still have that urge, see, but it's like
it's just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Slower. Yeah, And I hope that.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Yeah, you're thoughtful about what you do now, and
that's nice.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That's very nice.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Well, I'm Dorian Taylor and you're listening to the scene
with Doreen. When we come back, I'm going to chat
more with musician Dean Roland of Collector Soul about their
new documentary upcoming summer tour with Live and More.
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Speaker 13 (35:55):
So God didn't promise our next breath, It is only
the last one. We just making music. That's the time
of my life making music. I am as God's maiden,
and I like what I am. When people ask me
all the time, what's the best song you've written. I
haven't written it yet.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm still sorry that.
Speaker 13 (36:14):
It would not be anything without them.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That's how we got here. Family, that's a trailer. That's
a trailer.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Welcome back to the scene with Doreene part of the
Beasley Media Group. Family.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm your host, Story, and Taylor and I am chatting
with original member and rhythm guitarist of the band Collective Soul,
Dean Roland. Dean congrats on the release of the new
documentary Give Me a Word. The Collective Soul Story documentaries
are becoming quite a big trend right now. So why
does Collective Souls stand out.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Amongst the rest?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh, we'll shoot.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
I came right out blazing for your baby. I didn't
give you much of them.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Let me let me get my elevator picture.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
We can walk back to that if you want to
come in with a little you know, maybe we can
work to that.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's great. No, no, no, first roll with it.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
I love like well the thing that there's a handful
of things that I take a lot of pride in
our band. It's the fact that we're rooted in the
fact that Ed and our brothers, so that there's a
family element to Will our bass player grew up two
streets down from us. His wife literally grew up across
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the street, literally grew up across the street from Ed
and I. So there's like this deep rooted friendship that's there.
And then our love of music has always been like
the ultimate theme that that's held us together. So I
think that is the thing that led us to the longevity,
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and the longevity is probably the third part of what
I would speak to. It's like something I'm proud of
for us, Like there's ups and downs, there's success and failures,
and going through this documentary when we filmed it, you
you know, we're really not a band that looks too
much in.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
The in the rear room mirror.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
We like to keep going and make music and you know,
just every day is a new day. We got new
music to play, new music to write, new experiences to
be had, and just.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Let that be what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, So a lot of it is you know, you
have footage from the past, but you also filmed a
lot of it when you were at the Palm Springs
Elvis estate in California while you were recording your latest album,
Here to Eternity.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
You're the only collective Soul is the only.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Other musical artist ever besides Elvis to record there. Yes, Wow, now,
how did that happen? How did you get that? That's
pretty incredible.
Speaker 10 (39:08):
So we had met the guys that owned the house.
They had they had purchased it many years back, and
no one really had lived there since el was I
think it was one other person, but nothing had changed,
so the appliances in the kitchen, the bathrooms were all
the same. So it was really, to be honest, it
wasn't that livable.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Right, not that nice, not that modern.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
It wasn't.
Speaker 10 (39:32):
But he still got a little bit of the King
vibes in there, and we knew that he had spent
his last couple of birthdays and his holidays there. That
was his escape from Graceland because at that point in
his life, Graceland had become a lot of family and
he needed, you know, he that's where his sanctuary. He
would go to Palm Springs and just get away. And
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so we had met these fellows that owned the place
and just tossed the idea we and wanted to document it,
and we rolled into it and started recording it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It was pretty much that simple. We had already been
working on like.
Speaker 10 (40:11):
Arcabo footage for like a career spanning documentary, and we
were a company called Fanatics, a production company that reached
out to us to do a documentary, and then we
just merged those two things together and documented the history
and up to the point of us recording that record there.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Perfect storm. It all came together at the right time,
real place.
Speaker 10 (40:34):
Yeah, it really was, and it was the first time
in many years. Well we had done it a little
bit recently, but it was like where the band literally
we lived together in a house for a month or
two and just lived together, went and had drinks and
(40:57):
restaurants and played music, and it was like kind of
back to where we started again, like how we used
to do it, you know, because you can you have
a little success, and everybody gets their own individual lives
going on, and there's families and all of these other
things that are vitally important. But it's it's nice to
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carve out time like that and just hunker down and
record and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, and kind of just remember that feeling of the
beginning and just reliving that kind of that emotion of
what it was like and brings back some things, I'm
sure for you, Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
It brought back like even like childhood memories like Will
and I were living in the same house and that
guy I've known him since I was I've known anyone,
and I would spend half my time living at his
house down the street, or and you know, or my house.
But it was like, Okay, we're back together in the
same spot again, almost like being kids.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Circle full circle moment. Oh crazy. You know a lot
of people would love that.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I would love to do that, you know, go back
and just have that moment where I can just feel like,
you know those days. You know, I missed those days
and I'm sure a lot of people do. So it
had to be very fulfilling in a way.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, yeah, well, interesting story. You were recording there the
night Lisa Marie Presley died and that was the same
night the ceiling caved in.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, that's creepy. That's very good.
Speaker 10 (42:25):
Yeah, I mean it's so weird that And when I
think back on it, I was actually because I had
gone to one of the Palm Springs has one of
the film festivals that lead up to the Oscars, and
I just I went as like a bystander just to
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view it.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
And remember she was there, but Austin Butler was there.
Speaker 10 (42:50):
So it was right around the time that the Elvis
movie was coming out, and it was I think we
had we were on the we had a couple of
shows that time, and we we had gone and played
a couple of shows in between recording and that night
that she passed. There was like some crazy storm that
happened in Palm Springs, which is that's random in and
(43:12):
of itself. And that part of the house where we
if you walk in the front door of the foyer
living room is where we recorded.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
You turn right.
Speaker 10 (43:21):
The first bedroom on the right was Lisa ma Reice
and that's where we set up the control room. The
next room was Priscilla's. In the other room was Elvis's.
That that leak with a water.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Poured down was in Lisa Marie's room.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Wow, chill, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
It was a yeah, it was you know, how was.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Your equipment did you was it protected or.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Did you lose that We were able to protect it. Yeah,
it was like the roof fell in, but it was
like it was like legitimate, like, yeah, water that floated?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
What a sign? What a message something?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 10 (44:02):
Guess with all omens, I made a choice to believe
that was a good omen.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah. Not everything is bad. Not everything is bad.
Speaker 10 (44:10):
No, no, so I said my prayers for her, her
soul's passing.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
So it was no, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, Now, did you know when you found out what
did you find out first that the roof had caved
in or that she passed? Which one came first? A
chicken or the okay, wow, her.
Speaker 10 (44:27):
Passing because we were I want to say, we had
we had we were playing a show in uh In Vegas,
so we had got we had gotten off stage, and
then our producer Sean Grove called us and told us,
and we kind of maybe it had already happened. We
kind of found out simultaneously, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Mm hmm. Oh.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
You said that the band rarely likes to look in
the rear view mirror. So how was the process then
of creating a documentary when the majority of the project
is about looking back.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (44:59):
Uh, it gets a little tricky because you're having to
like you I think, not to get to like.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Psychology on this thing. But it's like.
Speaker 10 (45:11):
You kind of run from some of this stuff, like
because you go through so many things in your life.
There's so many relationships that have been sacrificed too, whether
like personal relationships or business relationships, and you have to
go back and like reevaluate them, so that.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
That that part was difficult. And it's then you talk
about the.
Speaker 10 (45:32):
Fun stuff, you know, like all of the successes where
there's like, you know, Dolly part and covering one.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Of our shine right, I believe she did shine yeah right.
Speaker 10 (45:43):
And then you know, so it was it gets emotional
like when we saw we saw the first edit.
Speaker 14 (45:51):
Of it, it's you're like wow, because I'm seeing you know,
the the other guys in the band and all these
other folks that are given their perspective on our career
from from their individual perspective.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
So you're like listening not having heard that before. So
it's a it's I don't want to do it often.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
What you mean, not gonna do one every week thirty years?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
I mean, if we make it another one, I'm good
with that.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Okay, you're you're on. I'm going to mark that in
my calendar to have you back on the show in
thirty years.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Okay, it's right here, okay, oh man.
Speaker 8 (46:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
In addition though to the new documentary release, Collective Soul
is hitting the road again this summer with Live and
Our Lady of Peace. And it's your first tour together
with Live in seventeen years. Yeah, yeah, welcome back with him.
Speaker 10 (46:49):
Yeah, we've been buddies, we've been We've played shows with
them over the years, but we haven't done like a tour.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
In seventeen years.
Speaker 10 (46:59):
I guess be buddies and fans love those dudes. Like
I remember the first time we met at KA We
were at Woodstock ninety four and we were pulling up
right behind the stage and their van had pulled up
right around the same time as ours, And that's the
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first time we met that we knew.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Their music, and we just became buddies at that point.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
You know, it's it's it's like a at that point
in time, like you know, everybody shared similar experiences and
you're trying to understand what's going on, and it's a
lot of you know, attention being thrown at you know,
young people at a certain time. It's like like how
are you how are we dealing with this thing or
how are you dealing with it?
Speaker 3 (47:46):
So yeah, well, yeah, you have a similar story that
very few people outside of that circle can understand.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Do you guys share something that very few people can
get it?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know, right right right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
So it's nice to align yourself with people who have
that similar kind of and you can share life lessons.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
You're right, very cool.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
So Collective Soul has been touring for over thirty years
and you're still, in my opinion, one of the best
live bands out there, truly talent and a powerful show.
How do you keep it fresh and exciting, not just
for the audience but for yourself too.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Try to take a shower every day.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
That's just fresh and clean, not exciting.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
No, it's not like.
Speaker 10 (48:32):
I think my take on that, it's been like we
have to mix it up. Like we put our set
list together, so there's thirty years of music, right, so
we want to We definitely want to make sure we're
played the songs that people know and the obvious ones
and that have been on the radio, and for us.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Keep moving forward. We want to play new songs and that.
Speaker 10 (48:53):
Whatever latest stuff because we you know, we don't feel
like we're just that band from nineteen ninety four that
had on the first record, Like you know that our
brain is like, now, what else can we do, Like
let's go turn some more knobs and play some different
chords or chords and different whatever, like let's find some
cool melodies.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
So we're in that headspace.
Speaker 10 (49:15):
I can ask often about like the do you get
tired of play in a song like Shine played it?
You know, However, many times over a span of decades,
and I genuinely find it fascinating every time because there's
somebody out there that's never heard it before, or haven't
heard it live anyway, Right, And at the end of
(49:38):
the day, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
A moment in time.
Speaker 10 (49:39):
There's only five human beings on that stage that are
performing it, so it's not like it's being played by
a record player or there's tracks going.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It's just that.
Speaker 10 (49:49):
So it's like that moment creates its own experience. So
it's like, I love it, and that's why I continue
to go back. That's how I started in this, Like
I was a fan of music from records and cassettes
and CDs and vinyls, going to see shows live, so
(50:10):
like it fees my.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Soul collective soul. No sorry, I had to do that.
That's a bad pun.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
That was a freebie.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
That was a free I can't only get one of them,
one of those. In an interview, you know, you mentioned that too.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Your audiences have become very multi general generational now and
the kids who grew up in your music now are
bringing kids, their kids to the show, and I dare
I say it, grandkids to the show. I mean, that's
kind of crazy, but yeah, so you got to keep
it fresh because you're right, there is a whole group
of people out there that are hearing it for the
first time, like your daughter who's listening to something and going, yeah,
(50:45):
all right, I can get with this.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
This is cool.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, it is a it's a music is like this.
Speaker 10 (50:53):
Evolutionary organism that keeps just happening. But like somehow there's
a recycling aspect that we were talking about earlier. It's
like some things that are just they're good. They they're good,
and they stay and they stick on the cog, and
the cog keeps turning into another one.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
But somehow that thing just keeps living for ever.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
It becomes I always someone once upon a time, one
of my guests said the best thing. They said that
it's not their song anymore. It's everyone's. It's it's the
world song. Now it doesn't belong to them anymore. Yeah,
and I think that is very true.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
The royalties still have to come the checks still have
to keep coming in, but other than that they can
all share in the glory and the happiness.
Speaker 10 (51:40):
It's a very you know, it's a very polite way
of saying, listen to it as much as you want,
just make sure I get.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Money, ammen, poor musicians.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
That's another conversation about how times have changed with that
whole and then AI being thrown into the mix.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
I just give up. I don't even understand anymore.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
It's just you got to fight for every nickel and
and percentage of a penny at this point. I mean,
I love to get like royalty checks and you see, like,
why haven't print this the paper?
Speaker 4 (52:05):
It costs more.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Than what you're getting in royalties here. It's like, oh,
or the stamp. Yeah, the stamp nowadays.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
So just sum it all up.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
I mean, if it with the documentary were not enough
and the tour were not enough, what is going on
and collect a soul?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
What are you planning next? Is there anything? Are you
just enjoying what's happening right now?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Well, we're enjoying what's happening right now.
Speaker 10 (52:28):
But we've we toured last year with Hooting and the Blowfish.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
We did a summer tour with those guys. We've been
friends and we love them so much. When we hopped
off that.
Speaker 10 (52:39):
Tour, we went in to the studio and recorded another
We just had some more songs. We record another record,
and we're going to release a limited edition on record, David,
I cannot remember the date. I need to know that,
but and then well it'll go into like a full
release later this year or beginning of next year. So
we just, I don't know, we're having fun with it,
(53:01):
like just keep recording and playing music. That's kind of
not to oversimplify it, but that's it.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Well, isn't that what it's supposed to be about? And
I think we all forget that along the you know,
the business takes over. This takes over, and it's never
about the music anymore. It's like two percent music, and
it shouldn't it be just about making music and the
love of.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
What you do.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
It should be it should be Well.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
You guys are doing it, and I think you are
an inspiration to those of us that are out there
that you know, sometimes get frustrated and say what am
I doing this for? You guys are a shining example
of what it can be if you guys really love
each other and keep what we're working at it and
just you know, keep going.
Speaker 10 (53:42):
Yeah, well, I appreciate you saying that, and I hope so,
I hope we can inspire some other musicians because it's
never a straight path to whatever you think your destination is,
and you know it's just use it as a fun
adventure and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
The best things are unplanned.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
I always that in my heart, and they never end
up as good as you think if you plan them.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
I do agree.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Well.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Visit collectivesoul dot com for tour dates, music and more.
Also visit give me a Word film dot com to
check out the new documentary available now on DVD, Blu ray,
and on demand. While Dean you are, You're awesome. I
had such a blast talking to you. I really and
I love I mean, I hate to say that. I
never like to do this with artists, but I grew
up listening to your music. You are my generation, and
(54:29):
I thank you for just giving me the gifts that
you've given me over the years.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Thank you so much for sharing.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Oh, thank you. You have a wonderful tour and I
hope to catch you.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Are you coming to Atlantic City? I believe right, I
think August. So I would love if you guys you know,
want to see me backstage. I would love to come
out and say hi.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, You're more than welcome. You know that, so please awesome.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Well it's a date and I thank you so much
and enjoy the release of the documentary.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
It's exciting. You have a great day. Bye.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Hey guys, that's all the time we have for today,
and thank you to my guest Collective Souls Dean Roland.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hello, Hello, Hello, hello, and welcome to the scene with Doreen.
Of course, like the introduction says, I'm Doren Taylor, and
I am thrilled to be here with my incredible producer,
the wonderful matmn Aric.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'm mat Hey, Dorian.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
How's it going doing?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Okay, everything's going, you know, the same. You know, someone
gets slower, Things get slower in the summer.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
But before you know it, the summer will be over.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh it is.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's almost about it halfway ready.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Yeah, oh yeah, almost the middle of July.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So yeah, we're losing daylight already. You know, I think
what June twenty first is the most daylight we have,
and then after day after that it gets less than.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
It seems like the daylight has been teasing us though,
because it seems like it's been sunny and then all
of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
There's like a monsoon every day.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
Come.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I remember, just like the other week, I was driving
home and I'm driving and I get an alert on
my phone saying tornado warning in Concha Hocken area, and
I'm like, oh crap, I'm driving hawking right now.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You're there when it was happening, yeah, doing.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
I was on the scoogle, and you know, there's nothing
you could do, so I was like, okay, So I
put on my phone and I put on I put
on record video or whatever, just to see just in
case there was something, you know, that was cool.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And as you were spinning around like the Wizard of
Oz and you're like, oh, ahead, I'm getting a little
dizzy here, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I would have had, you know, live coverage, because.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, there you go. You were ready. You're gonna be
a storm chaser.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Yeah, I don't think I've seen twister and the other one. Yeah,
I've seen the guy get scooped up in the tornado.
I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, that's true, and nowadays you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I never thought tornadoes would happen in like this area
of the country. It doesn't really happen. And now I
had one several years ago, less than a mile away.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's a lot a lot more different.
Uh you know types of storms and natural does that
natural big.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Week whatever somewhere?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean it's every week, and it's like they're getting
bigger and worse and worse and worse. That's the story
for a different day, because yes, my goodness.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But you know, it was funny.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I was on social media the other day and uh,
I was looking at you know, I get thembarded by
ads and of course everything, you know, clothing, like I
look at in fashion and I.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Was looking at this one site and it had this.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Cool jacket and I'm just you know, there was one
color choice a crew, which I'm like, okay, it's like
a white off white. And then next to this blue
color and the color name was Doreen.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Do what kind of color was it?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Blue? It looked like a denim. It looked like a
blue denim.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
What's your favorite color?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I don't know, maybe blue probably now it's blue. It
might be blue because you know, but it's just so weird.
I was like, when did my name become a color?
So I'm looking it up and I'm like, no, there
is really like I missed something all these years of
my life, you know, these decades.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
No, there's really I don't know where that came from.
I don't know. It's very odd.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And I almost was tempted to buy the jacket just
because I said, it's sort of fate.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I didn't like it that much, and it was like
two hundred and eighty dollars. I was like, I don't
like it that much. So yeah, it was a little
weird though, to see my my name as a color and.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Maybe one of the maybe one of the designers or
somebody that owns the company has a relative named Doreen
or somebody that works there there, you know, I don't
it's very weird.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But then I started searching this said, you know, that's
that's interesting. So I was like, you know, you always
figure out things we need to talk about here in
the beginning.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Of our shows. And I was like, so, what do
names really mean?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And I looked at Matthew and I looked up your
meaning and you are gift of God or gift from God.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And I said, that's very nice. You're your God's gift.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And then I look up my name and I am
gift from God and I.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Was like, how is that? I was like, how is
that possible?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
We have the exact same meeting and translation of our
names and whatever, you know, origin of the word.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
How the heck did that happen?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I mean, I looked up other names. I said, we
maybe everybody's a gift of God. So I looked up
Scott and Jason and all these other names.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
No, it was just us interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's very weird. We're both gifts from God. That's going
to leave to some interesting conversation.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, throughout the year arrogant.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But then you know, you start searching like personality traits
and I don't buy into like astrology and all that stuff,
but then you start looking at like what do like
the personality things? I gotta tell you, I was reading
them to you before the show, and you're like, oh damn, Like.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Yeah, some of them are pretty accurate.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Like you, let's see, you were a very creative, big
and communicy, very work oriented. Yeah, yeah, that you you're
principled in that way. I think you know, I would
say that's about right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You're you're trustworthy, I would I would hot.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Passionate, grounded, Yeah, not just in high school but grounded,
you know. But yeah, I think that's sort of I
would think that's you from everything I know about, unless
there's a side of you I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
I would I would agree with those.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And mine is that I'm a cat lady.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
It says that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I have my my negatives is that I I sometimes,
through misunderstandings, have.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
A lot of a loan time. What a nice thing.
But I'm a gift from God.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
That means out of proportion.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And people ghost you. I have no you know what, probably,
but I have no idea where they came from.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But I'm like, yeah, you know what, maybe maybe and
I'm very self conscious.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, from what I know of you doing this, Yeah,
you definitely are.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah I do.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I am very like grounded that way, Like I'm not,
I'm not. I do not believe I'm a gift from God.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Let's put it out.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, but it's kind of interesting so now that I'm
sort of more into that now with the names and everything.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But I thought, you know, interesting that we were both
the same.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, and you know today on the show, this is
a I don't know how I'm going to segue this,
but I figure, you know what will names and really
cool things. And this is a very cool band from
the nineties.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
You could say they're gift to music.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Gift to music, a collective gift to music in my soul.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
I like that?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Is that good?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Yeah, let's let's cut this part off and get right
to it before we screw it up.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I like that. I think we're good. We can't top it.
Let's go, my heart, Let's go.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Fifteen million albums worldwide, six of which have gone gold
or platinum, and seven number one singles. The triple multi
platinum rock band Collective Soul has been a dominant force
in the music industry for over thirty years and defined
the post grunge era with mega hits like Shine the World,
I Know, December, Heavy, and Where the River Flows. They
(06:59):
have rightfully taken in their place as one of the
most influential bands of the nineties and beyond.
Speaker 9 (07:04):
Take a listen, Delight should shout.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Down so.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm stop.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
About Oh Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Collective Soul is only just getting started with the next
phase of their thriving career that has sold millions of
records and wowed multitudes of fans across the globe. Their
newest studio album Here to eternity spawned the release of
their first ever documentary, Give Me a Word, The Collective
Soul Story, which was released July eighth via Trinity Content Partners.
(08:31):
Along with that, they are hitting the road again this
summer with Live and Our Lady Apiece in select cities
nationwide and first up today, I'm excited to have original
member and rhythm guitarist of Collective Soul Dean Roland on
the show.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Dean, Welcome to the scene with Doreen.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Thank you for having me, Doreen.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
My pleasure.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
While that rhymes, You've got a lot of Dean Seene Doreen.
That was a little crazy, as I'm a poet.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And seen here, I guess right here.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yes, yes, you know you are seen on the scene.
That's the place to be on the scene. Oh my god,
we could do this all day and it's going to
I don't want to exhaust you already mentally before we
even get started.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So that happened like years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Oh boy, is there anything left for me? I don't know.
We're going to try to see. Is it like a
scab that you keep picking?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
No, no, no, Well I got to say the role
in family from Atlanta was blessed with some impressive musical genes,
weren't you.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I mean, i'd like to, I guess think so a
lot of us.
Speaker 10 (09:35):
I think some hard work thrown in there, Like you
have an aptitude for something that you love and a
passion for something. And my brother and Will and I
and the other guys of the band taken that, you know,
that opportunity and tried to make most of it. O.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Kah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, besides your brother Ed, who's the front man and
main songwriter for the band, your father was a voice major.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
In college, and your mom played piano as well.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (10:01):
Yeah, our dad he was in a We grew up
in a small town just outside of Atlanta called Stockbridge,
and our father was he was a minister of music
after he had gone to school to do the voice major,
and he was like, if you just had a passion
for music, and then he later became the preacher of
(10:23):
the first Baptist church there in Stockbridge. What we were
always surrounded by music, you know, he's saying. Our mother
played piano and part of their gig was they would
rehearse every Sunday morning before we would go to you know,
Sunday school and church. Service, and she's playing piano and
our dad's singing, and.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So it was always I don't know if we ever
had a chance.
Speaker 10 (10:47):
To not do anything but music, I don't. I don't
think I would have been a banker. I'd have been
a terrible banker or any other occupation. There was really
no alternative path for us.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It feels like, yeah, it's kind.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Of like the nameature versus nurture argument, which one was it?
Or a little column? A little column maybe, but you
had it all kind of stacked for you right away.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
I've thought about that many times in my life. I'm like,
is you know the nature versus nurture argument? I'm like, oh, gosh,
you know, I know there's you know, our father had
he definitely had the love of music, and.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It was it was inside of him.
Speaker 10 (11:22):
And I think that that DNA has passed through. And
I don't know how that obviously, I don't. I'm not
smart enough to know how that works. But I see
and I have my wife and I we have a
six year old daughter, and I can.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Kind of see some of, you know, what's going on there.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
And then I'm still confused because I'm like, she's surrounded
by musical instruments and we play music in the house.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So I don't know, I give up. I'll just let
it be what it is is over my pay grade.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Well, who does she like?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is she like a Taylor Swift fan or does she
like more of the rockers like her dad.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
She is.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
In an interesting space where she's taking it all in.
She's like discovering like little pieces here and there, like
she does like Taylor Swift. Yes, yeah, I get it,
yeah yeah. And then like we just we just played
a couple of shows with Cheap Trick, which is cool,
one of our my favorite bands. And I would speak
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for the other fellows in.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
The band just you know, you.
Speaker 10 (12:24):
Growing up listening to some of those songs and play
with them. So I'll play some of that type of stuff,
and you know, I'll play one of their songs for
her the other day that she hadn't heard because I
just get to the right age and I played her
Surrender and she like, yeah, okay, I dig.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It, I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, Okay, that's good. I can. I don't always have
to listen to Disney or Broadway music. I can. I
can hear from there's a blend I can. Uh. We
can cross over here where.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Oh yeah she likes and you know, and I'll that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And it's a good testament to say that great music
never ages. It doesn't matter if it's produced. A good
song can be produced almost in any different way, but
it's still cool and it's cool.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Like you guys, thirty years later, it's still cool.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, yeah, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 10 (13:17):
I agree with you too, Like a great song is
undeniable in whatever configuration or arrangement or even genre you
want to put it in.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's just it's there and it speaks, and that's I
think that's what keeps our band together.
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Like we fell in love with the power of what
a song is, and that's what we've always tried to do,
is to serve the song and see what comes out
of those sparks that generate to get it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
To that place. Yeah, it's the fun, fun little experiment
that we have.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I like that terminology and experiment. I think other people would.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Say it, would say that's more of a proven law
or you know, like they say theory or a lot. Yeah,
we're getting into Einstein relativity and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Blew my mind. No, we're not going to go there.
It's too early for that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I em square.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's only no.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So I will take music any day of the week
because I can learn more from music. Honestly, at that point,
I can absorb a lot more from what I'm listening
to rather than that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
But anyway, that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It'll definitely heighten your EQ over your IQ. Thing.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Oh I like that?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh I do that should be? Is that did you
trademark that? If not, I love that trademark that.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, you gotta have.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
T shirts heighten your EQ over your IQ, or your
EQ heightens your IQ.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
I do think the emotional question is is definitely undervalued.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think that's more important than the IQ. But that's
just me.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
What no, No, I agree with you, So I guess
it's both of us.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
What do we know? I think that's I'm with you
in your camp.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, okay, good, we got allies.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I like it, well, you know, collective, Still doing my
research about everything and diving in. You guys have a
very interesting backstory because your brother Ed he was really
creating an a basement all of these demos. He went
to what Berkeley, I believe, and he was quite the musician.
He made this demo of what would become the mega
hit Shine.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
It got out there and it caught traction.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Orlando I believe picked it up, and then all of
a sudden he had to say, oh my god, I
gotta perform this. So then he put together the band.
So the band kind of came after the fact.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, I mean there was configuration. So like.
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Ed and I are ten years apart in age, pardon me.
So he when he graduated high school, he went to
Berkeley School of Music. I think he did that for
a little while and then came back to our hometown
and he worked at Will's, our bass player's father studio,
and that's where he learned to engineer and produce and
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really honed in his songwriting craft. And over the years
there would be like bands that kind of we would
get together and play in some of those tracks, and
that's what ended up being hints allegations, but most of
that was just doing a songwriting demo like Shine was.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Essentially every it was all ed.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
And that second record that we made was what we
felt like was the first band record.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Right, the Blue album, right, the second correct.
Speaker 10 (16:30):
The Blue album with the world I know December, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So that that was the record that we were striving
to make. But when hints allegations came out and Shine
became such a like a I mean, the viral thing
back then was not like it is today, like social
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media and it's you know, all those things and it
happens really fast. Back then, it was the viral was
like this antiquated way of or her a song on
the radio all up the radio station and say, can
I hear that?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What was that song? Can I hear it again?
Speaker 10 (17:04):
So we were like that sort of antiquated analog way
of the viral thing in the early nineties, and that
song became it was an organic hit, you know for us.
We didn't It was a five minute long pop song
that we didn't We did not anticipate at all. We
didn't choose it to be the single. It just kind
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of happened on its own, and we just rode that wave.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, you can't deny it when something happens like that,
especially like you're saying, it's not that where you can
pay per ads on Google Search and Facebook and all
these things. This was a real people's you know, maybe
listening today don't realize how difficult it was to get
something out there. Especially you guys you were indy at first,
you did not break that big thing.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
On a major like Atlantic.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Later it was you know, it was really real that
an Indian record.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It was unheard of back in the day.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
Yeah, we kind of we book marked our career with
we started out as an independent, like legitimate independent like
Bootstrap and figuring out how to do it it called
organically caught attention of major label, signed to a major label,
negotiated out of the major label contract to become independent again,
and that was like in two thousand and one, I think,
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so we've been back to the independent side of things
for the past twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm a firm, firm fan and believer of indie labels
and indie recording artists because I just think it's harder
to happen, but when it happens, it's so much more sweeter.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Happened, and it's I feel like it's.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
It allows the artists to have more of an expression.
Even with the Atlantic years we were blessed to have,
they left us to our own devices, and we they
would kind of like feed us some information here and there,
like maybe let's try this or that. But for the
most part, we did what we've always been able to
do what we wanted. But the independent side of music,
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I just feel I've always been drawn to where you
feel like the artist, the musicians, the songwriters are just
there's an authenticity to it that you can't you can't
shake it, like it's undeniable, if it's if it's real.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I agree, I absolutely agree. That's why I do.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I am a firm like fighter and a fierce like
supporter of independent artists because I do think that that
is like you said, it's that it's undeniable.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
When they have it, they have it and there's not
you know, because it is. It's the big machine. You
talk about all of that, and a label gets involved
and things do change. Because it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Even with Collective Soul's musical style, you were miscategorized so
many times.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You were a bubblegum grunge band.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You were even I mean, it's funny to say, because
you had some religious kind of references in your songs.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
All of a sudden, you're a Christian rock band.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I mean, that's gotta be frustrating at times because you're
out there putting your message out there and people are like, oh, well,
you know, he should be playing in Sunday Church.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know, it's it's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It it was interesting.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
It's like you know, when you get I was twenty
one years old when we got sign, I was so
just very very young. Yeah, and you you get thrown
into this fate and you're just getting bounced around and
people are basically you're staying in the middle of the
storm and they're telling you what you are. I'm like,
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that's not really how.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
We're just playing rock and roll, like we legitimately, like
we love Elvis and Elton John and James Brown and
coming from Atlanta, I mean from Georgia. Like there's such
a conflux of inspirations that we had, you know, whether
it was you know, the Allman Brothers.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
All those things matter to us. But we didn't really.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Feel like and we had the spiritual influence from our
father being a minister and having that background, we didn't
really want to be labeled or identified as anything other
than just.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You know, listen to our songs. That's it. You know,
take it, take it as such.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
But once you're once you're in the machine, the machine
has to find a place for you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
They have to justify their worth and why they're there,
you know.
Speaker 10 (21:12):
And we kind of came a little bit after the
the Seattle all the grunge movement, which I love that
music genuinely do, but wasn't really trying to mimic it
in any sort of fashion. We were just trying to
create songs. So like that's where like bubblegum grunge or
light grunge, all that stuff came from them. Like I
don't even know what that means.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
We're just playing.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But you just take the good.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
It's like anything, you take the good with the bad,
I mean, and you just kind of roll with it,
Like I don't. It puts a little bit quickly you
have a thicker skin to because when you're writing songs
and you're making these records and it's like you are vulnerable.
You put your offering up and your expression up to
the world, and it comes back with like all this
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kind of heart.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It could be pretty harsh.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Then you like in my mind early on, I was
like I'm going to shut that off. And then I
sort of governed the accolades as well, so it was
like I'm not taking too much of the good or
too much of the bad like I'm gonna they absolutely,
you know, listen to constructive criticism and genuine fan people
(22:26):
that appreciate what we do. But aside from the French stuff,
I can.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Let that go. It's okay.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, critics, I always say, I wish I could just
send them all off to an island somewhere and have
it sync, you know, because critics are just they are
what they are, you know, it's their opinion, and opinions
are worth as we know, you know nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But yeah, yeah, we all have one.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
We all have.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But I won't say well because we're We're on nationally
syndicated radio and TV, so I don't want to bleep
and get my producer more work.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So but you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Saying, Yeah, you take it.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
It's I'll talk to young artists that are, you know,
want to find their way. And I'm not a big
advice giver, but if some of it is, if I
do give it, and if I'm in the moment in
a conversation, it's like, let find your allies and be
sensitive to the vulnerability that you're given because at any
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given time, when you're developing and you're trying to find
your footing and your.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Art expression. Somebody could come in and just like.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Take you out of the kneecaps. It's a very vulnerable
place to be, and so you find your allies and
people that you can trust and just work.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Go and work and be as honest as you can
with your expression.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Amen, if you're proud of what you put out there
and it's really the best representation of who you are
as an artist, you know what, the rest of the
stuff doesn't matter because you can stand by it and say,
you know what, I feel happy with what I put
out there, and nobody else matters.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That's the way it should be.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And it really worked for you, you guys, because you
were creating music that you wanted to create and obviously,
you know, people responded. I mean, triple platinum on the
you know, their first debut, really your official.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Debut, you know, the blue album.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, that's got to say something that it really
doesn't matter about the rest.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think so.
Speaker 10 (24:18):
And yeah, I mean at the end of the day,
it's like what what what do you want to say?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know what, what? What? How do you want to
be perceived?
Speaker 10 (24:27):
And some of it you can control and.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Most of it you can't. So they focus on the
stuff that you can.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Really yes, And you know, I got to give you
like props because you know, in the band there's the
lead guitar and then there's rhythm guitar, and both are
completely different skill sets for people that don't know out there.
Rhythm guitar lays the foundation. The melodic parts build on
top of that.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So you're really you're the core.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You're in that pocket, and you have to know when
to get out of the way, and you've got to
let your parts serve the song.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And is that sometimes challenging for you to? I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Sometimes break out of the mold and just go crazy
sometimes and you really can't.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well no, I'll say this.
Speaker 10 (25:11):
I feel like the best notes I play are the
ones I don't know that that's a true statement.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And it's because I'm a fan of music.
Speaker 10 (25:21):
That's how I found myself in this place.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I love the songs that Ed writes.
Speaker 10 (25:26):
I love the songs that the band creates together.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I love the individual musicianship that goes on.
Speaker 10 (25:33):
I would never be able to or even desire to
do what Jesse Tripley does. He's an amazing musician and
to be a support role in that I'm completely fulfilled,
like on a musician's ship level, I strive as a
songwriter and and I love the role that I played.
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I think I see it as like a on some level,
like a team sport, like everybody plays their their role,
you know, And I don't. I don't feel what's I
don't feel like I'm not heard. And it's okay if
I'm not, Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's a team.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
I'll just kind of look at it from that perspective.
And if if we forgetting the the song across and
it's being the stories, being the narrative is being told, right,
I'm I'm good with it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I absolutely am.
Speaker 10 (26:31):
Like I'm I don't I don't need to be the
lead voice or the lead guitar.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's just not my my, my my thing.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's awesome. Yeah, if I have.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
To do it, I've done it.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Like I have a side project it's called My Magnetine
Ghost with my partner there Ryan Potesta, and I've seen
lead and I'll play lead guitar and all that stuff,
and it's it's fun, it's it's it's a different kind
of experience and challenge. But I'm I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
With it.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
But I just take each experience as a silo and
what role can I participate and help make it the best?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, it's all about the music for you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's not about like the ego which so many young
artists and they all it's how many times, how many
notes can I play in one second? And ye're more
about like what serves the song and that is beautiful. Now,
that's why it's a great formula for collective soul because
everybody plays their role it is.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And I admire the.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Folks, the musicians that come in and play it that way,
like I think it's fantastic, like so's there's no like.
I don't look at it in any sort of like
judgmental or resentful manner, like every band or artist that
they have their own thing, and then I find it interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I just I really do.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
It's true, it's kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like it, but I just I really do.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
That's what I find fascinating about music and bands and
artists and whether it's music or in whatever our format
may be.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And you should have been maybe a philosopher as well.
On the side, I don't know, maybe you should be
the study of human beings. I don't know, we're just
maybe finding another.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Path for you here. Yeah, no, pass well. I got
to say.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Twenty twenty five marks the thirtieth anniversary of the single December,
one of I think Collective Soul's most important tracks to date,
and the entire process from writing to arranging I heard
happened rather quickly for that tune.
Speaker 10 (28:36):
Yeah, it did happened quickly, and that was one of
the few. Like normally, like when we over the years,
we release a record or you know, we put an
album out, and you know, you have to pick and
choose what's going to be the.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
First single or second single.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
Normally, there's kind of like this unspoken understanding like this
this song is going to be it, Like we're we're
going to lead off with this one and that one
in particular, that was the first single off of that record,
and my brother and I we had not a fight,
but we had some you know like yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Heard you guys didn't really like the tune too much
when you presented it, and they're all kind of.
Speaker 10 (29:16):
Like, I love the tune in my head, though, I
was like, we need a different kind of like uptipo
kind of thing. I wasn't falling into like he was
seeing it from a different angle that I wasn't seeing it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I was wrong and he was right. And sometimes
you got to just own up to.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You know what. Let that be the time when you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Let that be the success of that, because that's that's
a nice time to be wrong.
Speaker 10 (29:42):
If it's Yeah, if I'm wrong like that every time,
I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Is it true that that song was inspired by a
falling out between the band and its first manager.
Speaker 10 (29:53):
I think so, Like a lot of the lyrics are
just written from a a little bit of a you know,
ambiguous perspective, but that one was we were going through
a tough time with our first manager, and I think
it was inspired from that.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Good things come from experience.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And I'm very hesitant to talk about lyrics for.
Speaker 10 (30:18):
A On the ones that I didn't write, the ones
that I do, I can speak to a little bit more,
but I don't. I don't want to put ideas in
people's heads, like, because the music is everybody has their
own idea of what it may mean to them. So
I don't feel like if you tell the story, it's
kind of like put it in this in this little
silo over here and then you can't it loses it's
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fervor if you will, but it absolutely you know in
saying that it was absolutely inspired.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That one for sure, Yes we can say, you know,
put a period on it.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know, that was thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That's crazy to think, but now looking back and hearing it.
I played it in the montage in the beginning. How
do you think the band has evolved? What do you
think is the biggest change from that kind of quality
of sound, songwriting, engineering, production?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
How have you evolved in thirty years? What's the biggest shift?
Speaker 10 (31:14):
I think really is hopefully, you know, we've gotten better
at our craft. We've gotten we matured as musicians. And
one thing is like patience. We were at that point,
we were so much in a hurry of like don't
lose the moment, you know, like we've been given this opportunity,
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and it's like you win the lottery by getting signed
to a record label, and then you have to win
the lottery again to have a record that's a hit
record or you know that's heard. And we were in
this role where we were, you know, you know, winning
the lottery multiple times.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
It was like good God.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
So there was like this urgency to like maintain that.
And I feel like as we've gotten older and through
the years more experienced, and it's like you learn to
slow it down and it's going to be okay. And
obviously it comes from having success that we're.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Able to afford that, I guess is it. But I
think it is like patients.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
And allowing like the inspiration to come instead of like
having to go like force force ourselves to find it.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You know, well said that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Absolutely makes sense, And you're right.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Youth is sometimes squandered on the young and they don't
have that experience to learn that. You know, maybe sometimes
it's okay to just let something happen naturally and not
force something. And so many people want it now now
now now, I mean most people in general, but especially
with the youth. And I can see that as being
something that has to evolve over time.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
You guys have to learn that, I.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
Think, yeah, because it was like like now it's like
we're we still have that urge, see, but it's like
it's just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Slower. Yeah, And I hope that.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Yeah, you're thoughtful about what you do now, and
that's nice.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That's very nice.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Well, I'm Dorian Taylor and you're listening to the scene
with Doreen. When we come back, I'm going to chat
more with musician Dean Roland of Collector Soul about their
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Speaker 13 (35:55):
So God didn't promise our next breath, It is only
the last one. We just making music. That's the time
of my life making music. I am as God's maiden,
and I like what I am. When people ask me
all the time, what's the best song you've written. I
haven't written it yet.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm still sorry that.
Speaker 13 (36:14):
It would not be anything without them.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That's how we got here. Family, that's a trailer. That's
a trailer.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Welcome back to the scene with Doreene part of the
Beasley Media Group. Family.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm your host, Story, and Taylor and I am chatting
with original member and rhythm guitarist of the band Collective Soul,
Dean Roland. Dean congrats on the release of the new
documentary Give Me a Word. The Collective Soul Story documentaries
are becoming quite a big trend right now. So why
does Collective Souls stand out.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Amongst the rest?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh, we'll shoot.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
I came right out blazing for your baby. I didn't
give you much of them.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Let me let me get my elevator picture.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
We can walk back to that if you want to
come in with a little you know, maybe we can
work to that.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's great. No, no, no, first roll with it.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
I love like well the thing that there's a handful
of things that I take a lot of pride in
our band. It's the fact that we're rooted in the
fact that Ed and our brothers, so that there's a
family element to Will our bass player grew up two
streets down from us. His wife literally grew up across
(37:39):
the street, literally grew up across the street from Ed
and I. So there's like this deep rooted friendship that's there.
And then our love of music has always been like
the ultimate theme that that's held us together. So I
think that is the thing that led us to the longevity,
(38:02):
and the longevity is probably the third part of what
I would speak to. It's like something I'm proud of
for us, Like there's ups and downs, there's success and failures,
and going through this documentary when we filmed it, you
you know, we're really not a band that looks too
much in.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
The in the rear room mirror.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
We like to keep going and make music and you know,
just every day is a new day. We got new
music to play, new music to write, new experiences to
be had, and just.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Let that be what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, So a lot of it is you know, you
have footage from the past, but you also filmed a
lot of it when you were at the Palm Springs
Elvis estate in California while you were recording your latest album,
Here to Eternity.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
You're the only collective Soul is the only.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Other musical artist ever besides Elvis to record there. Yes, Wow, now,
how did that happen? How did you get that? That's
pretty incredible.
Speaker 10 (39:08):
So we had met the guys that owned the house.
They had they had purchased it many years back, and
no one really had lived there since el was I
think it was one other person, but nothing had changed,
so the appliances in the kitchen, the bathrooms were all
the same. So it was really, to be honest, it
wasn't that livable.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Right, not that nice, not that modern.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
It wasn't.
Speaker 10 (39:32):
But he still got a little bit of the King
vibes in there, and we knew that he had spent
his last couple of birthdays and his holidays there. That
was his escape from Graceland because at that point in
his life, Graceland had become a lot of family and
he needed, you know, he that's where his sanctuary. He
would go to Palm Springs and just get away. And
(39:56):
so we had met these fellows that owned the place
and just tossed the idea we and wanted to document it,
and we rolled into it and started recording it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It was pretty much that simple. We had already been
working on like.
Speaker 10 (40:11):
Arcabo footage for like a career spanning documentary, and we
were a company called Fanatics, a production company that reached
out to us to do a documentary, and then we
just merged those two things together and documented the history
and up to the point of us recording that record there.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Perfect storm. It all came together at the right time,
real place.
Speaker 10 (40:34):
Yeah, it really was, and it was the first time
in many years. Well we had done it a little
bit recently, but it was like where the band literally
we lived together in a house for a month or
two and just lived together, went and had drinks and
(40:57):
restaurants and played music, and it was like kind of
back to where we started again, like how we used
to do it, you know, because you can you have
a little success, and everybody gets their own individual lives
going on, and there's families and all of these other
things that are vitally important. But it's it's nice to
(41:18):
carve out time like that and just hunker down and
record and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, and kind of just remember that feeling of the
beginning and just reliving that kind of that emotion of
what it was like and brings back some things, I'm
sure for you, Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
It brought back like even like childhood memories like Will
and I were living in the same house and that
guy I've known him since I was I've known anyone,
and I would spend half my time living at his
house down the street, or and you know, or my house.
But it was like, Okay, we're back together in the
same spot again, almost like being kids.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Circle full circle moment. Oh crazy. You know a lot
of people would love that.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I would love to do that, you know, go back
and just have that moment where I can just feel like,
you know those days. You know, I missed those days
and I'm sure a lot of people do. So it
had to be very fulfilling in a way.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, yeah, well, interesting story. You were recording there the
night Lisa Marie Presley died and that was the same
night the ceiling caved in.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, that's creepy. That's very good.
Speaker 10 (42:25):
Yeah, I mean it's so weird that And when I
think back on it, I was actually because I had
gone to one of the Palm Springs has one of
the film festivals that lead up to the Oscars, and
I just I went as like a bystander just to
(42:46):
view it.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
And remember she was there, but Austin Butler was there.
Speaker 10 (42:50):
So it was right around the time that the Elvis
movie was coming out, and it was I think we
had we were on the we had a couple of
shows that time, and we we had gone and played
a couple of shows in between recording and that night
that she passed. There was like some crazy storm that
happened in Palm Springs, which is that's random in and
(43:12):
of itself. And that part of the house where we
if you walk in the front door of the foyer
living room is where we recorded.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
You turn right.
Speaker 10 (43:21):
The first bedroom on the right was Lisa ma Reice
and that's where we set up the control room. The
next room was Priscilla's. In the other room was Elvis's.
That that leak with a water.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Poured down was in Lisa Marie's room.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Wow, chill, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
It was a yeah, it was you know, how was.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Your equipment did you was it protected or.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Did you lose that We were able to protect it. Yeah,
it was like the roof fell in, but it was
like it was like legitimate, like, yeah, water that floated?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
What a sign? What a message something?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 10 (44:02):
Guess with all omens, I made a choice to believe
that was a good omen.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah. Not everything is bad. Not everything is bad.
Speaker 10 (44:10):
No, no, so I said my prayers for her, her
soul's passing.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
So it was no, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, Now, did you know when you found out what
did you find out first that the roof had caved
in or that she passed? Which one came first? A
chicken or the okay, wow, her.
Speaker 10 (44:27):
Passing because we were I want to say, we had
we had we were playing a show in uh In Vegas,
so we had got we had gotten off stage, and
then our producer Sean Grove called us and told us,
and we kind of maybe it had already happened. We
kind of found out simultaneously, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Mm hmm. Oh.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
You said that the band rarely likes to look in
the rear view mirror. So how was the process then
of creating a documentary when the majority of the project
is about looking back.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (44:59):
Uh, it gets a little tricky because you're having to
like you I think, not to get to like.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Psychology on this thing. But it's like.
Speaker 10 (45:11):
You kind of run from some of this stuff, like
because you go through so many things in your life.
There's so many relationships that have been sacrificed too, whether
like personal relationships or business relationships, and you have to
go back and like reevaluate them, so that.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
That that part was difficult. And it's then you talk
about the.
Speaker 10 (45:32):
Fun stuff, you know, like all of the successes where
there's like, you know, Dolly part and covering one.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Of our shine right, I believe she did shine yeah right.
Speaker 10 (45:43):
And then you know, so it was it gets emotional
like when we saw we saw the first edit.
Speaker 14 (45:51):
Of it, it's you're like wow, because I'm seeing you know,
the the other guys in the band and all these
other folks that are given their perspective on our career
from from their individual perspective.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
So you're like listening not having heard that before. So
it's a it's I don't want to do it often.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
What you mean, not gonna do one every week thirty years?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
I mean, if we make it another one, I'm good
with that.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Okay, you're you're on. I'm going to mark that in
my calendar to have you back on the show in
thirty years.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Okay, it's right here, okay, oh man.
Speaker 8 (46:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
In addition though to the new documentary release, Collective Soul
is hitting the road again this summer with Live and
Our Lady of Peace. And it's your first tour together
with Live in seventeen years. Yeah, yeah, welcome back with him.
Speaker 10 (46:49):
Yeah, we've been buddies, we've been We've played shows with
them over the years, but we haven't done like a tour.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
In seventeen years.
Speaker 10 (46:59):
I guess be buddies and fans love those dudes. Like
I remember the first time we met at KA We
were at Woodstock ninety four and we were pulling up
right behind the stage and their van had pulled up
right around the same time as ours, And that's the
(47:19):
first time we met that we knew.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Their music, and we just became buddies at that point.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
You know, it's it's it's like a at that point
in time, like you know, everybody shared similar experiences and
you're trying to understand what's going on, and it's a
lot of you know, attention being thrown at you know,
young people at a certain time. It's like like how
are you how are we dealing with this thing or
how are you dealing with it?
Speaker 3 (47:46):
So yeah, well, yeah, you have a similar story that
very few people outside of that circle can understand.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Do you guys share something that very few people can
get it?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
You know, right right right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
So it's nice to align yourself with people who have
that similar kind of and you can share life lessons.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
You're right, very cool.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
So Collective Soul has been touring for over thirty years
and you're still, in my opinion, one of the best
live bands out there, truly talent and a powerful show.
How do you keep it fresh and exciting, not just
for the audience but for yourself too.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Try to take a shower every day.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
That's just fresh and clean, not exciting.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
No, it's not like.
Speaker 10 (48:32):
I think my take on that, it's been like we
have to mix it up. Like we put our set
list together, so there's thirty years of music, right, so
we want to We definitely want to make sure we're
played the songs that people know and the obvious ones
and that have been on the radio, and for us.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Keep moving forward. We want to play new songs and that.
Speaker 10 (48:53):
Whatever latest stuff because we you know, we don't feel
like we're just that band from nineteen ninety four that
had on the first record, Like you know that our
brain is like, now, what else can we do, Like
let's go turn some more knobs and play some different
chords or chords and different whatever, like let's find some
cool melodies.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
So we're in that headspace.
Speaker 10 (49:15):
I can ask often about like the do you get
tired of play in a song like Shine played it?
You know, However, many times over a span of decades,
and I genuinely find it fascinating every time because there's
somebody out there that's never heard it before, or haven't
heard it live anyway, Right, And at the end of
(49:38):
the day, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
A moment in time.
Speaker 10 (49:39):
There's only five human beings on that stage that are
performing it, so it's not like it's being played by
a record player or there's tracks going.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It's just that.
Speaker 10 (49:49):
So it's like that moment creates its own experience. So
it's like, I love it, and that's why I continue
to go back. That's how I started in this, Like
I was a fan of music from records and cassettes
and CDs and vinyls, going to see shows live, so
(50:10):
like it fees my.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Soul collective soul. No sorry, I had to do that.
That's a bad pun.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
That was a freebie.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
That was a free I can't only get one of them,
one of those. In an interview, you know, you mentioned that too.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Your audiences have become very multi general generational now and
the kids who grew up in your music now are
bringing kids, their kids to the show, and I dare
I say it, grandkids to the show. I mean, that's
kind of crazy, but yeah, so you got to keep
it fresh because you're right, there is a whole group
of people out there that are hearing it for the
first time, like your daughter who's listening to something and going, yeah,
(50:45):
all right, I can get with this.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
This is cool.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, it is a it's a music is like this.
Speaker 10 (50:53):
Evolutionary organism that keeps just happening. But like somehow there's
a recycling aspect that we were talking about earlier. It's
like some things that are just they're good. They they're good,
and they stay and they stick on the cog, and
the cog keeps turning into another one.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
But somehow that thing just keeps living for ever.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
It becomes I always someone once upon a time, one
of my guests said the best thing. They said that
it's not their song anymore. It's everyone's. It's it's the
world song. Now it doesn't belong to them anymore. Yeah,
and I think that is very true.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
The royalties still have to come the checks still have
to keep coming in, but other than that they can
all share in the glory and the happiness.
Speaker 10 (51:40):
It's a very you know, it's a very polite way
of saying, listen to it as much as you want,
just make sure I get.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Money, ammen, poor musicians.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
That's another conversation about how times have changed with that
whole and then AI being thrown into the mix.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
I just give up. I don't even understand anymore.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
It's just you got to fight for every nickel and
and percentage of a penny at this point. I mean,
I love to get like royalty checks and you see, like,
why haven't print this the paper?
Speaker 4 (52:05):
It costs more.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Than what you're getting in royalties here. It's like, oh,
or the stamp. Yeah, the stamp nowadays.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
So just sum it all up.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
I mean, if it with the documentary were not enough
and the tour were not enough, what is going on
and collect a soul?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
What are you planning next? Is there anything? Are you
just enjoying what's happening right now?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Well, we're enjoying what's happening right now.
Speaker 10 (52:28):
But we've we toured last year with Hooting and the Blowfish.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
We did a summer tour with those guys. We've been
friends and we love them so much. When we hopped
off that.
Speaker 10 (52:39):
Tour, we went in to the studio and recorded another
We just had some more songs. We record another record,
and we're going to release a limited edition on record, David,
I cannot remember the date. I need to know that,
but and then well it'll go into like a full
release later this year or beginning of next year. So
we just, I don't know, we're having fun with it,
(53:01):
like just keep recording and playing music. That's kind of
not to oversimplify it, but that's it.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Well, isn't that what it's supposed to be about? And
I think we all forget that along the you know,
the business takes over. This takes over, and it's never
about the music anymore. It's like two percent music, and
it shouldn't it be just about making music and the
love of.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
What you do.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
It should be it should be Well.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
You guys are doing it, and I think you are
an inspiration to those of us that are out there
that you know, sometimes get frustrated and say what am
I doing this for? You guys are a shining example
of what it can be if you guys really love
each other and keep what we're working at it and
just you know, keep going.
Speaker 10 (53:42):
Yeah, well, I appreciate you saying that, and I hope so,
I hope we can inspire some other musicians because it's
never a straight path to whatever you think your destination is,
and you know it's just use it as a fun
adventure and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
The best things are unplanned.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
I always that in my heart, and they never end
up as good as you think if you plan them.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
I do agree.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Well.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Visit collectivesoul dot com for tour dates, music and more.
Also visit give me a Word film dot com to
check out the new documentary available now on DVD, Blu ray,
and on demand. While Dean you are, You're awesome. I
had such a blast talking to you. I really and
I love I mean, I hate to say that. I
never like to do this with artists, but I grew
up listening to your music. You are my generation, and
(54:29):
I thank you for just giving me the gifts that
you've given me over the years.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Thank you so much for sharing.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Oh, thank you. You have a wonderful tour and I
hope to catch you.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Are you coming to Atlantic City? I believe right, I
think August. So I would love if you guys you know,
want to see me backstage. I would love to come
out and say hi.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, You're more than welcome. You know that, so please awesome.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Well it's a date and I thank you so much
and enjoy the release of the documentary.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
It's exciting. You have a great day. Bye.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Hey guys, that's all the time we have for today,
and thank you to my guest Collective Souls Dean Roland.
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