August 14, 2025 • 28 mins
We dive into 'The Eye of Wakanda,' a mini-series that shifts the Black Panther trajectory in the MCU. This episode delves into the show's depiction of Wakanda’s technological advancement, historical timeline, and secretive nature.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to this brow On podcast. I'm your host Dimitri.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is my co host Miss your Boy, Mocky ball A.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And today our freaking Geek. We have a very short
mini series called The Eyes of Wakanda that we're going
to be talking about today, which really changed the trajectory
of Black Panther and the lore and has and it
is officially the earliest in the MTU timeline. That's early,
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but also the farthest in the timeline last into the
farthest of the timeline, which we'll talk about that because
that is going to definitely lead into some Black Panther
three stuff, So stick around with us. We are definitely
gonna have to talk about that. But Marcus, how did
you feel about is the wacondas.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Overall? Overall?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I will say this, when I first heard about it,
I was on the fence because they've been hit or
miss with the animated series. And also I was nervous
because they were saying like this is like the history
of Kanda.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I was so.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Nervous because I was like, they've been real iffy with
writing Wanda like wa Kanda stuff like any kind of lord.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So I was just like man, I gotta.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Come into it with not so high expectations and just
just keep them here so when I get into it,
it's okay. And I'm glad I did that because it
did make me enjoy it. It does have its flaws,
but it's not like Big and to be honest, the
only flaw for me really is the short episode. Only
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four episodes, that's always all. It does follow that pattern
that Marvel has been doing with these mini series. They
just set up these moments or intertwine and leave in
between these gaps for the m c U. It's almost
like these old stopping points to fix stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Because that's how we that's how we look at it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's like a fixer up.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They've been doing that with pretty much all of their
animated stuff that I think about it, because remember what
if at first it was just supposed to be like
multiverse other stuff that had to do, and then it
ended up being a tie in to them. I think
that's my biggest thing with it. It doesn't feel like
it's his own thing sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Which hurts it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, Ever, we did get we got some pretty cool
ass characters.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I will say that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I will say that even though he was a villain
the Lion was dope as hell.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, I agreed.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Iron Fist was cool.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Iron Fist and of course all the the warriors, yeah,
the war dogs.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I don't know if I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Saying with Abacabacca Vosha too far cool to even the future,
but like, all the warriors were cool.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And I thought the animation.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I really dug the animation because it felt for it
felt like animation, and so when yeah like that, so
it felt like it was Pixar, but two D Disney
because a lot of the nose and the shapes of
the nose and stuff, so it felt like a Disney
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Pixar two D three D thing fused together and it
was real clean. And then some of the backdrops felt
like paintings and stuff, the way they had the like
scenery and all that. I definitely enjoyed the animation. I
love that opening sequence. Yeah, I was almost like the same.
But it's like charcoal the art the way they did
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the artists like charcoal, which is very cool because that's
like the oldest form of art, like charcoal on the
case and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So I thought that was cool. But I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I will say this, I love how Wakanda is like
always been ahead in tech of whatever dynasty or century
it's in. Like they was riding around in like little
car things and flying and stuff. We had the fourteen hundreds,
and I was like, oh, this is like even when
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they had in the first episode in the Lines then,
which is around twelve sixty BC, and when they was
like when she was describing who they was looking for,
I thought when the sand came down, I.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Thought like she was gonna like drawing it or something.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To see that tech and it's like the saying and
it was showing still like the person and all that.
I was like, bro, this they are so advanced to
it's ridiculous. And I was watching another youtubeer they was
talking about how it almost feels like it's so crazy
because for us it's like ahead of time. But inda
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like in Wakanda, they're probably like, oh, yeah, this is
very primitive. If that's primitive, like that's it. And that's
the part that I've always loved about Wakanda and the
comics and everything, Like they've always been that kind of
very technological civilization, very progressive and secretive.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And you see a lot of that too. A lot
of secrets.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So what I've got from this Houso too is Wakanda
has been having secrets in the dark since the beginning
of time. So this sending out people in the world,
this wasn't a new thing that started on the first
Black Panther field, and you actually get to see the
toll it takes on some of these warriors and how
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it can correct them the trajectory they take with the
past they gone. So it really dove deep into a
part that they introduced, but they didn't really touch bases on.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, I think I agree with that, but I also
agree like it showed how like even in the in
like the most like futuristic thing where like she came
back in time, they had found time travel and we're
able to use to jump from that time to there
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and survive it because they had the heart shape Earth,
which they've been cultivating for century, so they've always been
ahead of time. But the way that what kind of
is like how secretive they are. It plays really well
on the idea that ware Konic could be if we're
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actually looking at history, where Konic could always have been
there in the backdrop and all these humans eventuals Oh yeah,
we've got wheels. Now we got cars. They're flying behind
the back set. They're flying around like shifts and stuff
like that. Where you're thinking us in regular history outside
of Waconda are like, man, the car, that's so futuristic.
They're like brad Leave has like they said, like you said,
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already had fourteenth century or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Com communicators and stuff. Yeah, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Their weapons were like advanced, even with Achilles, like the
that Menna I think that's the war memo. Yeah, Menna
and he had energy like projectiles that early in history.
They had weaponized it to the level the word he
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was able to heal himself. Back then they used it
the vibranium.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, the little device. It was almost like spreading meals
for exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And it's so crazy, bro, because to me, it all
makes sense if we look at actual history, golf course,
just real quick, actual history of brown people throughout the
world from the.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Beginning of history.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We talk about in Africa, Ethiopia, all these places were
known for people who became rich kings.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And made a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Scholars who figured out astrology and the stars, and math,
mathematicians and vendors. They were doing all of this stuff
and teaching these different civilizations all of his knowledge. It's
like with condom mirrors that in the Marvel Universe history
they predate everything.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We know this.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We have this knowledge because and I say that because
it explains just like how people say, how did they
build the pyramids? How did they build all this technology?
Because they had the knowledge to do they had the scientists.
They understood how the how nature works and how the
natural resources can be this and how vibranium can literally
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take us into the future ahead of time like you
said the future and as in, oh, we're one hundred
years ahead of each century. So I think that's what's
so cool because it definitely mirrors like real life history
of brown and African people that they always leave out.
So I think that was really dope.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, And like even like when it comes to like
I say, how the Marvel Cinema Universe are not Marvel comics,
and even now, I guess the Cinema Universe pay that
respect to Africans and by making they're the version of
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African people in their world so highly advanced because they
were and paying and understanding and acknowledging that that they
had that. It's one of the things that I respect
Marvel for doing like I can respect them for respecting
that culture and understanding it and not doing doing whatever
stuff they were doing all that, doing disrespectful things. I'll
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say it like that, to keep it very clean, doing
disrespectful things. But I also I liked how they tied
in Black Panther, the first one to this to everything,
how they tied kill Longer to wa Kanda and the
world's beating the the column, the not scourge what did
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they call them there? How his how that point was
so important that it led to them being able to
beat the whore because kill Monger did what he did.
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It was a central anchor point that led to T'challah
viewing and opening up Wakanda and realizing that Wakanda has
been sheltered, have been closed off or centuries keeping his tech,
which is not the right thing to do. He was like,
it's not the right thing to do. Is should share
this with everyone so that everybody can be on protected
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in some way, which led to them beating the Horde eventually,
which I think because the rumor is and it's a rumor,
but I think it might be true based on this.
Either Wakanda, we're going to have time travel, We're gonna
have intergalactic Wakanda. We're getting both of them in something,
or at least the start of it.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Definitely, I think this will be the most afro futuristic
Black Panther that we that we've got, Like all of
it is afro futurism, but as far as like the
whole space travel and the Mothership, all that kind of ideas,
all the inter collected, I think, yeah, it's definitely dig
deeper into that in this next film.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Do you think that they're gonna make the Hoard a
like Black Panther centric like villain or not even villain,
but that's a villain in a way, But you think
they're gonna leave it in like a Black Panther's like
power Mine kind of thing where he handling that stuff
and like the world doesn't need that, the Avengers don't
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need to come in and get involved, or if you
think that they're gonna make it like an Avengers movie
type thing in the future, because I know they got
Doomsday and secret Wars coming up, and I think they're
going more cosmic, which could technically lead to the Horde
because they are planet killers from the from space.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think they would probably try to bring in other
heroes only now because we know that timeline was changed,
so if it is a possibility of them showing up,
it'll be a different timeline, so it won't just be
kind of being left. So I'm pretty sure we'll get
like the Avengers, probably the X Men before.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So you think we're gonna get the Cord and stuff
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, if it's a big enough like threat, I think so.
But if they're not trying to make it that kind
of threat, like how they did with kind certain movies
like Thor like with Rag and Rock, they took it
down a little bit as much as about how big
of a threat it was to the whole MCU. So
we could possibly get that, like it could just be
in Wakanda like you said, and it'll just be a
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watan of thing. But because they've been opened up to
the world, they might call in like Sam when they
might call in Storm or somebody, because by then I'm
pretty sure the X Men would probably be introduced.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So it'll probably be on some on that type of level.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think I thought about the and it hopped in
my brain. What if they use the horror of the
threat to make the illuminatis. That's the reason why they
gathered together that he brings it all them into the
sixth one sixth because we've seen them in the eight
two eight or I think eight eight three eight. I
think it was the universe that was in the multiverse
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and magn eight three eight or something like that. Correct me,
and the comments are wrong, But they had them in
a different universe. It was not the sixth one six,
so this could be a way for them to bring in.
We do now have a Reid Richards. We do, or
they had one then, but we have a six one
six three Richards, but we have We're gonna probably get
another to Child or another to Challa Junior or whatever
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because Black Panther too led with with a kid and
then we have we did have honestly, we can have.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I don't know if they're being doomed and involved maybe
nay more is this exists, so that's so we've we're
going to get men. So we're gonna have Charles exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So we're getting each of these members. Are bet being
presented and placed in the six one six universe or
I think it's one nine nine. Is the m F U.
I think one night nine one nine, yeah, one nine
nine because I rewatched the Fighter vers today one nine
nine nine nine or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Six one aka six one six aka original or aka
or one exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I gotta remember different numbers and stuff, but I think
that'd be a smart way to do it now in
Marvel coming to do that. Probably not, And if they do,
you heard here first from the spar on table. We
said it. We called a lot of state brain. Yeah,
big brain that Yeah, yeah, probably he's wiping in the
air right now. He's just wiping, got it?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So I just wanted to make one one point too.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I love how they like subtlely dropped like a Nick
Fiery easter egg to nation with no.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Oh, you're talking about what had the patch? And she
was the first official director of the the He just
said of the dogs.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Of war the war dogs.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't know why I.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Could call the dogs war the war dogs. She was
like the first official director. I was like, they really
played on that, like shield first official director.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So I was like, okay, even more, Nick Ferry got
his eye patch from what happening he got it and
what happened.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
To technically, Yes, there's another time so I thought that.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Was cool and funny that they did that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So with these four episodes, what do you which one
do you think it was the strongest? And which one
do you think was the weakest or didn't hold hold up?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Is good?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Because I don't want to say the weakest. Which one
you thought held up the best? And when she thought
then hold up as good?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Honestly, I'd say I think, for of course held up
pretty good. The first one was good. I like two
for what it meant overall, but it doesn't It wasn't
as strong as three. Three was a little bit stronger
just because of Iron Fifth showing up in a seeing
that version of Iron Fifth, which is one of the
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earlier versions of that character. But also she was the
first person to infiltrate exactly. But also it proved in
a way that I like, abilities are a little bit
more stronger when it comes to harnessing like vibranium. Then,
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and the best I don't know if he's the best,
but the person that went to get that thing couldn't
do it. So I think that shows a bigger implication
of powering when it comes to that. So I think
sad to say too, it's I think not the strongest,
but it's not a bad episode. I'm not saying any
of that feels are bad.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'll say this about too. Why I feel that way too.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Is because I think because we were familiar with the
story it was tied into, it took away like that
wow factor because it wasn't like something fresh.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So it was like the story of Achilles.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
We all, if you've been in school it took literature
sometimes knowledge or high school.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You've heard the story of Achilles, so you know what's
to expect. So it's like, oh, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They put in a wa kind of warriors, and that's
I think that's another reason why it feels like that,
because I think it was so familiar, so it was like, okay,
this is fun. Like with the others, they were like
more impactful. It's like part of the story because the
first one introduces that special group that they made aside
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from the door the lage and how they showed that
one of the one of the warriors of the kinda
that they sent out what the world turned him into
when he opened itself to the world. But and that's
another reason why, like you said, two to be debatable
because it did show what happens when you come back
from that world.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Like how you feel like a stranger in your own home.
So that was impactful. I say this like you, I
think for.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Is the strongest one because of the implications it had
to do with the future, like the future as far
as past, what the MCU is in the future, as
in to where the mc U is like in the
present day, like our present day. And I think it's
so cool that Acts showed up because it was such
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a big part in the First Black Panther because he
was like, yeah, this is Wakanda because they've been still
in the artifacts from him us and now we get
to see what they had to do to get it back,
like all those artifacts that they set these.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Warriors out to get.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So it brought everything into full circle, which I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And it was cool seeing that.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And that's why I think that Fourthorn was so strong,
because you even got to see like the beginning of
that lineage of kings. Yeah, so it was it touched
on a lot of stuff within a very short amount
of time, which was crazy that it got all that
fit all that into that short amount of time.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I even liked the future Black panther suit. That
was cool.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That was cool. I think one thing was cool about
that she was able to give them the ability to see.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You know what I said when she first appeared, I said,
oh ship, though they don't got a predator in here,
I thought, and I was just say, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Damn, they're just gonna go like this.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I was like, they already violent enough, but they're gonna
fight a president. So once I've seen it, I was like, Okay,
that makes sense. But another cool thing too is to
see the dormalage never change they all throughout history, which
is cool because that really shows oh yeah, with the
future they had the mask and.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Stuff, but also they have they went from like filver
in the past like gold, actions in the president like gold.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So it's like slight changes but looked of it, which
is cool because that just shows that that history and
that old way, the honor that it holds. It just
shows with that whole the power of that uniform and
what it symbolized. So I thought that was cool that
they kept that tradition.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
The traditional this elite group of soldiers if they still
are some of the bad most bad ass soldiers.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And they are they the Horde had to be a
fact because it was picking those guys, it was picking
up like crazy. I was, I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
What So, Yeah, I definitely agree with you on that
one about the episode, as.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was literally gonna say those same one. So I
think that, I.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Mean, you have any questions, any other questions are coming
for me, like the rate the episodes or the episode,
the entirety of the show.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I will say this too. I did enjoy that we
got to see different erarors. Yeah, of the timeline, like
you said, like this is the earliest time in the
m c U and the closest we've gotten to that
it's with the eternals, with the eternals and kind of
like a speed rush went through it and brought them
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to the present day. So it was cool that we
got to touch bases with that again and see with
that world was like from the eyes of Wakanda definitely
pun intended because that's literally that's what they meant for
it to be.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So it was cool to get that.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
And you know, of course I always want more because
I feel like it's some juicy stuff they could have
had in there, But I'm cool with what we got,
Like I said, I think that was really cool that
we got the Trojan War and Achilles and all that,
and he did he got them on that heel.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I was like, I was like, y'all gotta have y'all
gotta have it in there. He go was cool.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
But other than that, I just I appreciate things like
this because even though it's like very subtle in short,
it's good enough to not it's just like really neighborhoods
frighte of man like they hit all the right points.
It's not like it's the best thing ever, but it
did what it was supposed to do and did the
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job exactly. I definitely appreciated it for that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think that the I think one I'll harp on
every podcast the Marvel Show, I said, the same thing,
give us more than four episodes really living it. I
don't think the pay thing or anything was bad or
anything like that, but I definitely it definitely wanted me.
It definitely led me wanting more from what we.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Got to see.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, you want to see what happened with this character
or is it something more than this part.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Of the story.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
How did they how did they handle the first like
infiltration of Wakanda, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This is why they built.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
The wall up because you can tell it wasn't like
a force field around it because every time they showed
it was just like this little.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Plot of lands.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And my biggest question though, this is my biggest question
because we know from Black Panther Lord that the first
Black Panther came around. I think sometimes after that first episode,
sometime after that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, I was just like, where's all the Black Panthers.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It wasn't about them, but I was like, dangn we
got one all the way at the end, but she
from the future, Like what I understand why because it
was they weren't but still I was like, you could
have just it was on cool last like Black Panther
suit just one little, one little I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Look, I will. I would love a anthology series on
Black Panther from the earliest up to like maybe close
to the future where we get to see because I
think there is in the comics, this one from ten
thousand BC. I think my O the Black Panther from there,
which would be cool to see. And then I would
love to see more of the future Black Panther. Honestly,
she was cool, like I'd like to see her. I
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would like to see her in the timeline that is
like fixed.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, definitely, I think she might in the movie. I
just I think she might be the first live like
animated to be in live action from that from the
animated universe that I think.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
So that's it with Clean, but I'd like to see
him like make it in live action. And also I
definitely want to see a tree out there, of how
the royal tree, because if it's coming from Sherri and
how or this coming from Ibaka because he definitely does.
Right now, like where does she fall into the royalty?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
You got me thinking that might need to be another podcast?
What is the lineage of the Black Panther films leading
up to the third one? I think we should do speculation.
Oh yeah, podcasts about Black Panther three. If the gall
would like that, y'all agree, put it in the covers below.
Give us suggestion topics. Well, anything y'all think might happen.
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But I think other than that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Dude, that's all I got.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I get my last thoughts and comments. I've I
don't know what else to say, Honestly, I just want more.
What is your rating for the series.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I'll give it a strong seven seven, I.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Give it about I give it a seven point five.
I'm gonna give it a little edge. It was good
and the implication of the last episode got me speculating
and wanting more so and then what.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It was, that's what that was the strongest one.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, that was great in.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The fight and the fighting though throughout the whole series.
The fight, yeah episode she was and everybody else Yeah,
so clean.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
It's just it was just really fluid with the action
scene and stuff like that, especially in that first up,
especially when they dove into Iron fifth and how she was,
she gave a look like I'm ana beach ass. That's
just where her look on her faith was the entire time.
She was just honest. She would just look at you like,
don't make this, don't make this hard on yourself. I
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got the hands. So honestly, they can keep doing characters.
They can give Iron fifth. I just watched an Iron
fifth to mini theories. But let's let's add that to
the pile. Marvel put it on the top too, because
he's underrepresented.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, they're doing my boy wrong too, But that's another
day he added to the file.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But you know it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
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Welcome to this brow On podcast. I'm your host Dimitri.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is my co host Miss your Boy, Mocky ball A.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And today our freaking Geek. We have a very short
mini series called The Eyes of Wakanda that we're going
to be talking about today, which really changed the trajectory
of Black Panther and the lore and has and it
is officially the earliest in the MTU timeline. That's early,
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but also the farthest in the timeline last into the
farthest of the timeline, which we'll talk about that because
that is going to definitely lead into some Black Panther
three stuff, So stick around with us. We are definitely
gonna have to talk about that. But Marcus, how did
you feel about is the wacondas.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Overall? Overall?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I will say this, when I first heard about it,
I was on the fence because they've been hit or
miss with the animated series. And also I was nervous
because they were saying like this is like the history
of Kanda.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I was so.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Nervous because I was like, they've been real iffy with
writing Wanda like wa Kanda stuff like any kind of lord.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So I was just like man, I gotta.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Come into it with not so high expectations and just
just keep them here so when I get into it,
it's okay. And I'm glad I did that because it
did make me enjoy it. It does have its flaws,
but it's not like Big and to be honest, the
only flaw for me really is the short episode. Only
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four episodes, that's always all. It does follow that pattern
that Marvel has been doing with these mini series. They
just set up these moments or intertwine and leave in
between these gaps for the m c U. It's almost
like these old stopping points to fix stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Because that's how we that's how we look at it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's like a fixer up.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They've been doing that with pretty much all of their
animated stuff that I think about it, because remember what
if at first it was just supposed to be like
multiverse other stuff that had to do, and then it
ended up being a tie in to them. I think
that's my biggest thing with it. It doesn't feel like
it's his own thing sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Which hurts it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, Ever, we did get we got some pretty cool
ass characters.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I will say that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I will say that even though he was a villain
the Lion was dope as hell.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, I agreed.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Iron Fist was cool.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Iron Fist and of course all the the warriors, yeah,
the war dogs.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I don't know if I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Saying with Abacabacca Vosha too far cool to even the future,
but like, all the warriors were cool.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And I thought the animation.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I really dug the animation because it felt for it
felt like animation, and so when yeah like that, so
it felt like it was Pixar, but two D Disney
because a lot of the nose and the shapes of
the nose and stuff, so it felt like a Disney
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Pixar two D three D thing fused together and it
was real clean. And then some of the backdrops felt
like paintings and stuff, the way they had the like
scenery and all that. I definitely enjoyed the animation. I
love that opening sequence. Yeah, I was almost like the same.
But it's like charcoal the art the way they did
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the artists like charcoal, which is very cool because that's
like the oldest form of art, like charcoal on the
case and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So I thought that was cool. But I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I will say this, I love how Wakanda is like
always been ahead in tech of whatever dynasty or century
it's in. Like they was riding around in like little
car things and flying and stuff. We had the fourteen hundreds,
and I was like, oh, this is like even when
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they had in the first episode in the Lines then,
which is around twelve sixty BC, and when they was
like when she was describing who they was looking for,
I thought when the sand came down, I.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Thought like she was gonna like drawing it or something.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To see that tech and it's like the saying and
it was showing still like the person and all that.
I was like, bro, this they are so advanced to
it's ridiculous. And I was watching another youtubeer they was
talking about how it almost feels like it's so crazy
because for us it's like ahead of time. But inda
(05:05):
like in Wakanda, they're probably like, oh, yeah, this is
very primitive. If that's primitive, like that's it. And that's
the part that I've always loved about Wakanda and the
comics and everything, Like they've always been that kind of
very technological civilization, very progressive and secretive.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And you see a lot of that too. A lot
of secrets.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So what I've got from this Houso too is Wakanda
has been having secrets in the dark since the beginning
of time. So this sending out people in the world,
this wasn't a new thing that started on the first
Black Panther field, and you actually get to see the
toll it takes on some of these warriors and how
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it can correct them the trajectory they take with the
past they gone. So it really dove deep into a
part that they introduced, but they didn't really touch bases on.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, I think I agree with that, but I also
agree like it showed how like even in the in
like the most like futuristic thing where like she came
back in time, they had found time travel and we're
able to use to jump from that time to there
(06:19):
and survive it because they had the heart shape Earth,
which they've been cultivating for century, so they've always been
ahead of time. But the way that what kind of
is like how secretive they are. It plays really well
on the idea that ware Konic could be if we're
(06:39):
actually looking at history, where Konic could always have been
there in the backdrop and all these humans eventuals Oh yeah,
we've got wheels. Now we got cars. They're flying behind
the back set. They're flying around like shifts and stuff
like that. Where you're thinking us in regular history outside
of Waconda are like, man, the car, that's so futuristic.
They're like brad Leave has like they said, like you said,
(07:01):
already had fourteenth century or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Com communicators and stuff. Yeah, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Their weapons were like advanced, even with Achilles, like the
that Menna I think that's the war memo. Yeah, Menna
and he had energy like projectiles that early in history.
They had weaponized it to the level the word he
(07:30):
was able to heal himself. Back then they used it
the vibranium.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, the little device. It was almost like spreading meals
for exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And it's so crazy, bro, because to me, it all
makes sense if we look at actual history, golf course,
just real quick, actual history of brown people throughout the
world from the.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Beginning of history.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We talk about in Africa, Ethiopia, all these places were
known for people who became rich kings.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And made a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Scholars who figured out astrology and the stars, and math,
mathematicians and vendors. They were doing all of this stuff
and teaching these different civilizations all of his knowledge. It's
like with condom mirrors that in the Marvel Universe history
they predate everything.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We know this.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We have this knowledge because and I say that because
it explains just like how people say, how did they
build the pyramids? How did they build all this technology?
Because they had the knowledge to do they had the scientists.
They understood how the how nature works and how the
natural resources can be this and how vibranium can literally
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take us into the future ahead of time like you
said the future and as in, oh, we're one hundred
years ahead of each century. So I think that's what's
so cool because it definitely mirrors like real life history
of brown and African people that they always leave out.
So I think that was really dope.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, And like even like when it comes to like
I say, how the Marvel Cinema Universe are not Marvel comics,
and even now, I guess the Cinema Universe pay that
respect to Africans and by making they're the version of
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African people in their world so highly advanced because they
were and paying and understanding and acknowledging that that they
had that. It's one of the things that I respect
Marvel for doing like I can respect them for respecting
that culture and understanding it and not doing doing whatever
stuff they were doing all that, doing disrespectful things. I'll
(09:54):
say it like that, to keep it very clean, doing
disrespectful things. But I also I liked how they tied
in Black Panther, the first one to this to everything,
how they tied kill Longer to wa Kanda and the
world's beating the the column, the not scourge what did
(10:15):
they call them there? How his how that point was
so important that it led to them being able to
beat the whore because kill Monger did what he did.
(10:38):
It was a central anchor point that led to T'challah
viewing and opening up Wakanda and realizing that Wakanda has
been sheltered, have been closed off or centuries keeping his tech,
which is not the right thing to do. He was like,
it's not the right thing to do. Is should share
this with everyone so that everybody can be on protected
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in some way, which led to them beating the Horde eventually,
which I think because the rumor is and it's a rumor,
but I think it might be true based on this.
Either Wakanda, we're going to have time travel, We're gonna
have intergalactic Wakanda. We're getting both of them in something,
or at least the start of it.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Definitely, I think this will be the most afro futuristic
Black Panther that we that we've got, Like all of
it is afro futurism, but as far as like the
whole space travel and the Mothership, all that kind of ideas,
all the inter collected, I think, yeah, it's definitely dig
deeper into that in this next film.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Do you think that they're gonna make the Hoard a
like Black Panther centric like villain or not even villain,
but that's a villain in a way, But you think
they're gonna leave it in like a Black Panther's like
power Mine kind of thing where he handling that stuff
and like the world doesn't need that, the Avengers don't
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need to come in and get involved, or if you
think that they're gonna make it like an Avengers movie
type thing in the future, because I know they got
Doomsday and secret Wars coming up, and I think they're
going more cosmic, which could technically lead to the Horde
because they are planet killers from the from space.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think they would probably try to bring in other
heroes only now because we know that timeline was changed,
so if it is a possibility of them showing up,
it'll be a different timeline, so it won't just be
kind of being left. So I'm pretty sure we'll get
like the Avengers, probably the X Men before.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So you think we're gonna get the Cord and stuff
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, if it's a big enough like threat, I think so.
But if they're not trying to make it that kind
of threat, like how they did with kind certain movies
like Thor like with Rag and Rock, they took it
down a little bit as much as about how big
of a threat it was to the whole MCU. So
we could possibly get that, like it could just be
in Wakanda like you said, and it'll just be a
(13:10):
watan of thing. But because they've been opened up to
the world, they might call in like Sam when they
might call in Storm or somebody, because by then I'm
pretty sure the X Men would probably be introduced.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So it'll probably be on some on that type of level.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think I thought about the and it hopped in
my brain. What if they use the horror of the
threat to make the illuminatis. That's the reason why they
gathered together that he brings it all them into the
sixth one sixth because we've seen them in the eight
two eight or I think eight eight three eight. I
think it was the universe that was in the multiverse
(13:44):
and magn eight three eight or something like that. Correct me,
and the comments are wrong, But they had them in
a different universe. It was not the sixth one six,
so this could be a way for them to bring in.
We do now have a Reid Richards. We do, or
they had one then, but we have a six one
six three Richards, but we have We're gonna probably get
another to Child or another to Challa Junior or whatever
(14:06):
because Black Panther too led with with a kid and
then we have we did have honestly, we can have.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I don't know if they're being doomed and involved maybe
nay more is this exists, so that's so we've we're
going to get men. So we're gonna have Charles exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So we're getting each of these members. Are bet being
presented and placed in the six one six universe or
I think it's one nine nine. Is the m F U.
I think one night nine one nine, yeah, one nine
nine because I rewatched the Fighter vers today one nine
nine nine nine or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Six one aka six one six aka original or aka
or one exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I gotta remember different numbers and stuff, but I think
that'd be a smart way to do it now in
Marvel coming to do that. Probably not, And if they do,
you heard here first from the spar on table. We
said it. We called a lot of state brain. Yeah,
big brain that Yeah, yeah, probably he's wiping in the
air right now. He's just wiping, got it?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So I just wanted to make one one point too.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I love how they like subtlely dropped like a Nick
Fiery easter egg to nation with no.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Oh, you're talking about what had the patch? And she
was the first official director of the the He just
said of the dogs.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Of war the war dogs.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't know why I.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Could call the dogs war the war dogs. She was
like the first official director. I was like, they really
played on that, like shield first official director.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So I was like, okay, even more, Nick Ferry got
his eye patch from what happening he got it and
what happened.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
To technically, Yes, there's another time so I thought that.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Was cool and funny that they did that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So with these four episodes, what do you which one
do you think it was the strongest? And which one
do you think was the weakest or didn't hold hold up?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Is good?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Because I don't want to say the weakest. Which one
you thought held up the best? And when she thought
then hold up as good?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Honestly, I'd say I think, for of course held up
pretty good. The first one was good. I like two
for what it meant overall, but it doesn't It wasn't
as strong as three. Three was a little bit stronger
just because of Iron Fifth showing up in a seeing
that version of Iron Fifth, which is one of the
(16:54):
earlier versions of that character. But also she was the
first person to infiltrate exactly. But also it proved in
a way that I like, abilities are a little bit
more stronger when it comes to harnessing like vibranium. Then,
(17:16):
and the best I don't know if he's the best,
but the person that went to get that thing couldn't
do it. So I think that shows a bigger implication
of powering when it comes to that. So I think
sad to say too, it's I think not the strongest,
but it's not a bad episode. I'm not saying any
of that feels are bad.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'll say this about too. Why I feel that way too.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Is because I think because we were familiar with the
story it was tied into, it took away like that
wow factor because it wasn't like something fresh.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So it was like the story of Achilles.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
We all, if you've been in school it took literature
sometimes knowledge or high school.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You've heard the story of Achilles, so you know what's
to expect. So it's like, oh, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They put in a wa kind of warriors, and that's
I think that's another reason why it feels like that,
because I think it was so familiar, so it was like, okay,
this is fun. Like with the others, they were like
more impactful. It's like part of the story because the
first one introduces that special group that they made aside
(18:22):
from the door the lage and how they showed that
one of the one of the warriors of the kinda
that they sent out what the world turned him into
when he opened itself to the world. But and that's
another reason why, like you said, two to be debatable
because it did show what happens when you come back
from that world.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Like how you feel like a stranger in your own home.
So that was impactful. I say this like you, I
think for.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Is the strongest one because of the implications it had
to do with the future, like the future as far
as past, what the MCU is in the future, as
in to where the mc U is like in the
present day, like our present day. And I think it's
so cool that Acts showed up because it was such
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a big part in the First Black Panther because he
was like, yeah, this is Wakanda because they've been still
in the artifacts from him us and now we get
to see what they had to do to get it back,
like all those artifacts that they set these.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Warriors out to get.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So it brought everything into full circle, which I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And it was cool seeing that.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And that's why I think that Fourthorn was so strong,
because you even got to see like the beginning of
that lineage of kings. Yeah, so it was it touched
on a lot of stuff within a very short amount
of time, which was crazy that it got all that
fit all that into that short amount of time.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I even liked the future Black panther suit. That
was cool.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That was cool. I think one thing was cool about
that she was able to give them the ability to see.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You know what I said when she first appeared, I said,
oh ship, though they don't got a predator in here,
I thought, and I was just say, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Damn, they're just gonna go like this.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I was like, they already violent enough, but they're gonna
fight a president. So once I've seen it, I was like, Okay,
that makes sense. But another cool thing too is to
see the dormalage never change they all throughout history, which
is cool because that really shows oh yeah, with the
future they had the mask and.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Stuff, but also they have they went from like filver
in the past like gold, actions in the president like gold.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So it's like slight changes but looked of it, which
is cool because that just shows that that history and
that old way, the honor that it holds. It just
shows with that whole the power of that uniform and
what it symbolized. So I thought that was cool that
they kept that tradition.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
The traditional this elite group of soldiers if they still
are some of the bad most bad ass soldiers.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And they are they the Horde had to be a
fact because it was picking those guys, it was picking
up like crazy. I was, I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
What So, Yeah, I definitely agree with you on that
one about the episode, as.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was literally gonna say those same one. So I
think that, I.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Mean, you have any questions, any other questions are coming
for me, like the rate the episodes or the episode,
the entirety of the show.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I will say this too. I did enjoy that we
got to see different erarors. Yeah, of the timeline, like
you said, like this is the earliest time in the
m c U and the closest we've gotten to that
it's with the eternals, with the eternals and kind of
like a speed rush went through it and brought them
(21:54):
to the present day. So it was cool that we
got to touch bases with that again and see with
that world was like from the eyes of Wakanda definitely
pun intended because that's literally that's what they meant for
it to be.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So it was cool to get that.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
And you know, of course I always want more because
I feel like it's some juicy stuff they could have
had in there, But I'm cool with what we got,
Like I said, I think that was really cool that
we got the Trojan War and Achilles and all that,
and he did he got them on that heel.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I was like, I was like, y'all gotta have y'all
gotta have it in there. He go was cool.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
But other than that, I just I appreciate things like
this because even though it's like very subtle in short,
it's good enough to not it's just like really neighborhoods
frighte of man like they hit all the right points.
It's not like it's the best thing ever, but it
did what it was supposed to do and did the
(22:52):
job exactly. I definitely appreciated it for that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think that the I think one I'll harp on
every podcast the Marvel Show, I said, the same thing,
give us more than four episodes really living it. I
don't think the pay thing or anything was bad or
anything like that, but I definitely it definitely wanted me.
It definitely led me wanting more from what we.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Got to see.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, you want to see what happened with this character
or is it something more than this part.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Of the story.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
How did they how did they handle the first like
infiltration of Wakanda, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This is why they built.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
The wall up because you can tell it wasn't like
a force field around it because every time they showed
it was just like this little.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Plot of lands.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And my biggest question though, this is my biggest question
because we know from Black Panther Lord that the first
Black Panther came around. I think sometimes after that first episode,
sometime after that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, I was just like, where's all the Black Panthers.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It wasn't about them, but I was like, dangn we
got one all the way at the end, but she
from the future, Like what I understand why because it
was they weren't but still I was like, you could
have just it was on cool last like Black Panther
suit just one little, one little I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Look, I will. I would love a anthology series on
Black Panther from the earliest up to like maybe close
to the future where we get to see because I
think there is in the comics, this one from ten
thousand BC. I think my O the Black Panther from there,
which would be cool to see. And then I would
love to see more of the future Black Panther. Honestly,
she was cool, like I'd like to see her. I
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would like to see her in the timeline that is
like fixed.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, definitely, I think she might in the movie. I
just I think she might be the first live like
animated to be in live action from that from the
animated universe that I think.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
So that's it with Clean, but I'd like to see
him like make it in live action. And also I
definitely want to see a tree out there, of how
the royal tree, because if it's coming from Sherri and
how or this coming from Ibaka because he definitely does.
Right now, like where does she fall into the royalty?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
You got me thinking that might need to be another podcast?
What is the lineage of the Black Panther films leading
up to the third one? I think we should do speculation.
Oh yeah, podcasts about Black Panther three. If the gall
would like that, y'all agree, put it in the covers below.
Give us suggestion topics. Well, anything y'all think might happen.
(25:43):
But I think other than that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Dude, that's all I got.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I get my last thoughts and comments. I've I
don't know what else to say, Honestly, I just want more.
What is your rating for the series.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I'll give it a strong seven seven, I.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Give it about I give it a seven point five.
I'm gonna give it a little edge. It was good
and the implication of the last episode got me speculating
and wanting more so and then what.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It was, that's what that was the strongest one.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, that was great in.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The fight and the fighting though throughout the whole series.
The fight, yeah episode she was and everybody else Yeah,
so clean.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
It's just it was just really fluid with the action
scene and stuff like that, especially in that first up,
especially when they dove into Iron fifth and how she was,
she gave a look like I'm ana beach ass. That's
just where her look on her faith was the entire time.
She was just honest. She would just look at you like,
don't make this, don't make this hard on yourself. I
(26:52):
got the hands. So honestly, they can keep doing characters.
They can give Iron fifth. I just watched an Iron
fifth to mini theories. But let's let's add that to
the pile. Marvel put it on the top too, because
he's underrepresented.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, they're doing my boy wrong too, But that's another
day he added to the file.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But you know it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
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the strong is the episode with episode four? Did you
think that maybe two was your strongest episode? Let us
know the comments, and do you think our speculations on
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the mark? Let us know. Follow us on our instagrams,
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all things common, pop top comments and pop culture. And
also we'll take a judgment if you have any questions,
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