The Founders Show #470

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Battles, the politicians addressed to digitdatas and magicians us to see the money,
then you don't. There's nothing tofeel the holes while then feeling their
pockets bite holes. The politicians bouncingdown the road, every baituition, but

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no more corruption and dysfunction. It'sgonna take devention. The twenty twenty three
legislative session came to an end scenedie and New Orleans got well, a
few things, but comparatively little forthe two billion dollars that was descended upon
the state. We'll talk about thatand who are the winners and losers,

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but also why this is going toaffect the next who becomes the next governor,
particularly when it comes to teacher pay. And a little later in the
program, ladies and gentlemen, Ithought about women pastors. The Southern Baptist
Convention has expelled the most famous pastorsin the country, Rick Warren, over
this issue. We'll talk a littlebit about that. All this and more
on this edition of The Founder Show, and God bless all out there.

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You are now listening to the FoundersShow, the voice of the Founding Fathers.
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draped in Spanish moss here in NewOrleans. This is none other than
you have spend Gary Baba of theRepublic, Chaplain, Hi mckenry, Christopher
tidmorea roving reporter, resident radical modernassociate editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at
Louisiana Weekly dot Net, and alot of people I've been getting a lot
of mail lately high about you.Guys are the like the main local political

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talk show in radio. You're theanchor show for w RNL, You're the
morning show for WSLA. People listento you find out what's going on politics,
and you really haven't talked about thelegislative session. That radio in Arizona
where actually we have a fan base, believe it or not, down there
at the Grand Again, and Ihave a love friends, and I do

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love it. If you ever goto the Grand Canyon, folks, I
highly encourage to go Grand Canyon West, which is their reservation. It's the
most beautiful views of the Canyon,and I've been to the canyon quite literally
twenty seven times. I say thatwithout any fear of contradiction. Yeah,
lead tours there. But I meangetting mail and it's people have been writing
me and saying, you haven't saidanything at the legislative session about the bills
and stuff. The reason why wehaven't, folks, is it's not that

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we haven't covered it or been watchingit. No one knew what was going
to happen with these bills until quiteliterally six minutes before seen you die the
end of the session. That's whenthe House of Representatives voted on a Senate
compromise, which, of course notone person other than the leadership had read.

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I mean, we're doing the implicatingthe worst mistakes of Washington and Baton
Rouge and you know, so muchfor two thirds Republican majority and fiscal conservatives.
We threw everything through and basically thebill as it's structured, nobody really
knows. We know a few elementsof it. We now know what the
bill says, but at the timethey didn't, and people were screaming,

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and clay Check Snyder, speaker wassaying, you're out of order, and
members of the floor, Republicans inhis own caucus were saying this is unconstitutional.
So for those that did cover,what we talked about here on this
program was the fact that there wasthis big debate over what do you take
this spare two billion dollars and payoffstate debt, it particularly teaches retirement debt

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that would allow local school boards toraise teacher funds but also put the state
in a better position. We're currentlyover twenty billion dollars and unfunded liabilities in
debt. We passed a bill inthe late eighties, nineteen eighty eight that
said the state would give five hundredmillion dollars a year to make it up.
To course, how much do youthink we actually gave to it?
How much? Less than a billionover the last twenty years. I mean,

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it's just it's been insane. Sothey said they want to do this.
On the other hand, a GovernorJohn Bell Edwards made a pretty fair
point. He said, look,we're losing teachers. If we don't give
him a teacher pay raise, they'reout of here and we have to do
something. And more importantly, wedesperately need two new bridges in Baton Rouge
and in Lake Charles and look,I'm a fiscal conservative, but I have

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to explain even I've got it metif you've ever been caught in baton rouge
traffic, or if you've ever mywife's families from Lake Charles, if you've
ever gone over that bridge when it'sraining or storm, that tall bridge,
the old Bridge of Iron, Yesit is. It's an interstate bridge that
is out of so many problems.And so they said, we either got

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we're gonna rebuild these two bridges.We gotta build a new bridge, and
we can rebuild the bridge. Weeither borrow the money or we use money
we have now and don't pay interest, which, in fairness, is not
a bad argument when things go theseare on. But there's a lot of
issues that a lot of devils inthe details, and we want to come
out with it and find out.But the question my esteemed publisher, Rennette

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de Joas Hall of the Louisiana WeeklyNew Remember you can always read my columns
at Louisiana Weekly dot net. Sheasked me. She said, Okay,
look, I want you to writea column, Christopher, on what exactly
New Orleans got out of this session. And you know what it's been depressing.
For all of the money that wespent, the city of New Orleans

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and frankly anywhere didn't get very muchwhatsoever. Before we get into into money
things, I want to bring upwhat's interesting is a bill that came close
to passing and would have gotten Johnbellobridge signature, was represented Paul Hollis of
Covington's bill to lower the signature thresholdto trigger recall elections from twenty percent of
registered voters to twenty percent of peoplewho voted in the previous election. That's

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double what the requirement is in California, by the way, but it's the
same logic. Twenty percent of registeredvoters in New Orleans, where people was
basically more people than actually voted inthe previous two elections. In other words,
they had to get more signatures.In Orleans Parish recalled LaToya Cantrell,
that not that didn't vote for her, that voted period. It was an

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insane threshold. It passed the House, it was killed in the Senate,
not least of which by allies LATORICantrell, but quite a few people allies
and this is the dirty little secretof the Louisian Association of Business and industry.
A lot of people in the rightkilled it. They don't want recall
elections, and frankly, this shouldn'tbe a partisan issue. The politician is
doing a bad enough job that twentypercent of the people who voted say we

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wanted another chance to rule on you. You don't automatically lose a recall election.
Tell that to Gavin Newsom, whohad a recall election called at him,
and you know what, still governor. Still that people are talking if
Biden falls over one more time,very distinct possibility that Gavin Newsom is going
to be riding into the nomination theDemocratic Party. He's already been in the

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White House and tested for cartons.Now, Neale, did you see the
Hannity interview with him, by theway, Yeah, it was. It
was fascinating, It was. Itwas it was like it was a love
thing. And Newsom's very far tothe left. But I give him a
credit. I've known him on Idon't know him very well personally, but
i've known him. He's an acquaintanceon a non professional from when he was
mayor of San Francisco, and he'sa very like, straightforward kind of I

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guess for lack of a better term. There's he is a He is an
ambitious politician, one of the mostambition I've ever known. But he doesn't
come off with like supercilious guile.He's pretty something that's all messed up.
And he was literally yeah, you'reright, it's that kind of thing which
kind of responds to people this politicalenvironment. Yeah, yeah, um,

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but they're yeah. A couple ofthings. Um, there were criminal justice
bills that went down that I actually, you know it was had some real
constitutional issues. A bill by RepresentativeDebbie Villeo that was one of the big
losers of this legislative session, believeor not is Jeff Landry. And I'm
gonna explain in several ways. Hewas. Debbie Vilio was of mattery,

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was pushing a Kenner. I meanit was pushing a bill that Jeff Landry
was. It was the centerpiece ofhis campaign for governor, and that is
to establish online dashboards listing the recordsof juveniles arrested for violent crimes. One
of the conventions that we have inAmerican politics is when you turn eighteen,
and if you're not in juvenile halland on prison, you're not tried as

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an adult. You get a secondchance. Sometimes it works, sometimes it
doesn't, but for a lot ofkids it does work. They and I
wanted to ask you about this becausethis was something the right was going let
them all know, let them whatthey did as juvenile, and quite a
few people, even on the right, we're like, wait, there's no
chance of redemption. People are stupidwhen they're a teenager, particular young men,

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they're stupid. I mean, whatdid you think about this whole thing?
It failed, by the way,so well, yeah, I believe
in second chances. I deal withthat all the time with my kids.
And yes, you should get arestart, let's say when you're eighteen years
old, because prior to that you'renot very good or smart or wives and

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the things you do, even ifyou're from the finance to families and whatnot,
with the best of education, bestof an education. Uh, youth
is just not smart. That's whyyouth needs strong leadership and without it,
youth will go bad every time.You know, It's interesting, folks,
think about this. You don't haveto teach teach a child to be bad,

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do you. Nope, they figureit out really quickly. You gotta
teach them be good. That's whereyou gotta teach. Well, I mean,
and I've always said that. Sothey say that children are innocent.
No, children that need to becivilized. Yeah. No. The the
thing about children is their spirit perceptionof spiritual reality is better than adults.
That's where they have it over adults. And that's why Jesus said, and

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lets you come as a little child. You shouldnt know why it's entering.
The Bible says. He also useschildren about being bad. He uses examples
of children who are naughty and bad. It failed. But let's talk to
the legislative session though, I mean, obviously, what will bring up the
don't say gay and the LBGTQ billsthey passed. That's coming up. The
reason why I want to bring itup, it's not to discuss there's a

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whole nother discussion on that. WhatI do want to say is there's an
interesting sidebar to this. The GovernorJohn Bell Edwards has said he's going to
veto them the legislative session. Ifin theory, if they called a session,
they receive two thirds votes that overridethe veto. There's a weakness and
one of the weaknesses that Edwards hadone of the few compromises that fiscal hawks
in the House got was one hundredmillion dollar cut in Medicaid funding, the

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idea being that fewer people are goingto be on the roles. They're trying
to get people off. They're tryingto force the Dwarge administration to do what
say Arkansas is doing, get peopleoff the role, and the Adwardge administration
says they're going to veto it.That did not get a two thirds majority.
However, here's what I'm hearing,and it may be Idol says a
threat that has come from Senate PresidentPage Cortez, and from that it says,

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if you do this, we canget enough votes to the don't say
gay thing to override your veto.But you're also going to your your defensive
healthcare of Louisianians, your record,the fact that you brought Medicaid in to
cover more people, that eighty percentof ninety percent of Louisianians are in healthcare
when it used to be thirty percent. Guess what you get that taken away?

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And if you're John Bell Edwards,you're in a position, as we've
talked about, where you're you're supportingSean Wilson as the Democratic governor accountant for
governor. You're helping and raise money, you're doing all these things. But
frankly, if he loses, you'rein the perfect position to come back and
fight Jeff Landry for reelection. It'sa perfect race. And there's there's he's

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got to pick his bills. I'msort of curious if he vetos that don't
say gay bills based on the healthcareis shoe, it's it's going to affect
him either way. He loses inthis situation. He loses with social conservatives
who've always kind of liked John BellEdwards because he's pro life. But at
the same time he loses with hisbase in New Orleans and Baton Rouge and

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Treeport if he takes out these Youknow, there's series of five bills.
One is you know, you can'traise gender or sexuality in schools. Another
one is transgender medical treatments are allowedto eighteen. You go through the whole
list, same once. Everybody inthe country is talking about. However,
the thing that was interesting, whichput a spanner in all of this,
was that John Bell Edwards has twothings going for him. His biggest accomplishment

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in this legislative session, folks,was the fact that teachers are going to
get a two thousand dollars pay raisefor a year. It's sufficially called a
stipend. Why does it called astipend because it only lasts for one years.
It's not put in what's called theminimum foundation formula where the legislature it's
automatic. It's just a basic bonus. Now it's a bonus that gets them

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close to the Southern average. JeffLandry comes into office, assuming he wins
against Shan Wills, and Edwards isout there and saying, oh, you
know, Jeff, what are yougonna do. You're gonna cut our teacher
sellaries or are you going to comein and give them what they got last
Year's powerful because it's an issue thatcuts across partisan lines. Million conservatives were
like, no, I don't wantto lose teachers to Texas. We're not
talking about losing teachers to Europe.We're talking about they drive over to Texas

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or to Mississippi, which pays itfar more. That's not a huge commute.
I mean you can almost do thatfrom your house in certain parts of
this date. And so he's gotan advantage. He also has one other
advantage, and that's the big newsthat happened. And I'm really sorry,
folks. We tend to do thisrecord this program on Thursday afternoons, and
right as we went off the air, the Supreme Court ruled in a five

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four decision that the state of Alabamahad to create a second congressional district.
It upheld an appellate. It's shockedthe whole world. John Roberts was kind
of thought he might or might notvote for it, but no one expected
Brett Kavanaugh to vote and to writethe opinion on it. And it's one
of the things I've told people.The Supreme Court is not liberal or conservative's

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actually all over the places. It'skind of one of these interesting based on
the issues that it's not as strictlypartisan as we think it is. What
it means, though, is Mississippi'stwenty seven percent black. It's exactly two
sevenths. They have seven congressional seats, so they need to guess what Louisiana's
six congresional seats. Guess what weare thirty three percent black? Huh.

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I don't know. Maybe I didn'tdo as well in elementary school fractions,
but that does seem one third ortwo out of six. And so John
Bell Edwards came into the legislaive sessionon the last day that Friday and said,
I can call you all in thesession to create a second Black Congressional
district if you don't pay attention towhat I say. And at this point

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they won't have much argument because theyknow they're about to lose the case.
Though all the reasoning and the reasoningand the report was it was not Alabama
specific. It said the states coveredby Section two of the Voting Rights Act,
which is everything from Texas through Floridaup to Virginia, basically old segregation
of states. If they do notabide by this, they you know,

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they lose the right to draw theirown congressional districts, and that can be
much more catastrophic. So he canjust go in and say, I promise
the second Black Congressional District. Imean it, and go ahead, call
a recall. You override my vetos. See what happens if you leave it
for Jeff Landry for next year.Landry could theoretically draw a district that was
a giant oval around Baton Rouge thatmaybe has forty nine point nine percent African

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Americans, and in theory a Republicancould win kind of a swing district.
But if it's John Bell Edwards isgoing to draw a district that basically goes
Baton Rouge all the way up toMunroe along the river, it's going to
be a sixty percent African American district. It'll be a loyal Democratic district.
And guess what, ladies and gentlemen, this is why this issue goes beyond
Louisiana. You pick up a districtin Mississippi, you pick up a district

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in Louisiana, you pick up possiblytwo districts in Georgia, you pick up
a district in Texas, possibly twodistricts. You count that number. It's
higher than the Republican majority in theUnited States House of Representatives. The Democrats
have just won the House without anymassive political changes. So John Bell Edwards
has a lot of quills if youwill in to put in his bow and

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arrow. So yeah, interesting,Christopher, one way I thought about youth,
folks. I'll work with the youth. So it's a very important topic
to me and I love youth.But they have there as I mentioned earlier,
their issues just to give you aninsight. To me, that's one
of the best insights I got intothe foolishness of youth. If you will,
and this is from my military experience, if you're ever at a checkpoint

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in a foreign country, in anarea that like a not a very stable
foreign country, pray that the guardsat the checkpoint are not teenagers, because
if if you'll ever get shot ata checkpoint, you'll be by a teenager.
They're that crazy. And to behonest with you, I've seen them.

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I've seen young guards in Central Asianin places like dangerous and most feared
of all the guards, and theyfind everybody. They find out they find
out you're an American, and ohGod help you, it's I've spent I
came close to being imprisoned in Turkmenistanby that, really, you know.
I had to get out of thecountry as fast as possible and basically took
the first flight I could to Usbekistanand got I mean, it was just
it was it was a touch andghost sort of thing. Wow. Wow,

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So I no, I agree withyou. All right, folks,
we're gonnake quick commercial break. Whenwe come back, we're going to talk
about what you really care about,which is money, who got what money
and who didn't and you might besurprised. But um, we're also going
to talk about this idea that theSouthern Baptist Convention is confronted in major votes
about women pastors. Well, itactually had an impact. Several Louisiana and
Texas churches were thrown out for havingquote women pastors. The question is is

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the definition of a pastor? DennisWatson, who's the head of the Celebration
Church in Matter and most people don'trealize it's one of the biggest evangelical churches
here. It's actually a Baptist church. He just opened said, but he
actually emailed us and he said,can you have somebody do something on the
air. They because they'd originally wantedto do something last week to bring him
over. We'd already taped the show. But he was He said, some

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of what Rick Warren and the othersare doing talking about women and pastors are
just essentially counselors and other roles inthe church. Where does this line go.
It's something that's ripping apart at theSouthern Baptist Convention right now. And
we'll talk about it all right,back after these important messages. Stay tuned
by the way for those that say, oh, well, okay with the
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you the truth, the whole truth, and another by the truth to help
us God, I am here withChristopher Tedmore and ladies and gentlemen. One
of the things that confuses people ishow do we spend two billion dollars?
And it kind of looks like NewOrleans didn't get very much at all.
And directly, you know what,it's kind of true. Let me give
a small element. The Louisiana StateMuseum system. They're fourteen museums around the

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state. Got virtually no money outof this budget, virtually no new positions.
Now one time money is to repairour crumbling buildings in New Orleans.
It's a big thing because the buildingsin question are the Cabildo, the presbyter
the Mint, the Arsenal, andthe do drop in not that dud drop
in yet. That's not one ofour museums yet. It got a million
dollars, but it's still it's officiallynot one of our museums. There's an

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argument to donate it to us,yeah, but that has not happened yet.
But here, everybody, you're onthe board. Yeah, I sit
on the board of the Louisiana StateMuseum. And we didn't get anything,
and we tried. So we spentall this money and you start wondering where
it went. Well, someone wentto decent. I mean, the final
deal is a forty four billion dollarsoperating budget and fifty one billion in total

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spending, and there's four hundred andfifty in road and bridge work. But
most of that literally goes to thosetwo bridges we talked about in Baton Rouge
and in Lake Charles. There's afew others. There's a thirty million for
a roof fortification program to try toencourage people to do the roofs. Ten
million, and property insurers and moreincentives. You remember, we've made incentives

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last year. I don't know howmuch effect it's had, but this is
trying to keep the incentive program sothat insurance companies will write new policies.
Here in Louisiana. There was moneythat went to the pension unfunded liabilities,
but it went down from nine hundredand fifty million dollars to basically a quarter
of that amount, and it wasfunded mostly through one hundred million dollars cut

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to the Louisiana Department of Health.That could impact matching dollars. That's the
whole thing we talked about about peopleon Medicaid previously. The We did get
one hundred and ninety eight million fortemporary pay raises for teachers. We talked
about that two thousand dollars twenty fivemillion dollars for teachers in high need areas.
We did get something interesting that canimpact fifteen million dollars for something that's

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called the jam Foster Plan that allowspeople over the age of twenty one to
go to college and needed professions.In other words, it's a TOPS program
for people who are essentially over youknow, who have been out of high
school for a while. If theywant to go into stem fields, if
they want to go into teaching,they want to go into high tech.
So that's a that's a positive thing. There was total one hundred and thirty

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seven million airmarked for local projects.The problem is a lot of these projects
are very subjective and very few doneit, and it's kind of a reflection
of where Louisiana is in this legislativesession. You'd think we have Republican members
and Orleans for example, last timeI checked, you know, Stephanie Hillfrey

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represents lake View. But for themost part, because that you now have
two thirds Republican majorities, and that'spart of the reason. One of the
big winners of this legislative session isa guy I have been talking about for
twenty five years. I've been onthe radio. His name is Representative france
As Thompson. He's been a representative, he's been a state center. He's

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a representative again. He never goesaway. He's been the legislature for forty
seven years. He not shockingly suddenly, after a lifetime as a Democrat,
became a Republican, found his innerRepublican, and equally shockingly, he got
all this money for his district likehe always did up in North Louisiana,
around where poverty point is. Soone of the things that gets into all

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of this is whoever is the nextspeaker or Senate president is going to matter
a lot in this conversation. Whatdo I mean by that? Louisiana has
one thing that stops us from havingthe sort of partisan rancor that Washington has,
and it's the fact that regularly inthe last thirty forty years, Republicans

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have voted for a Democratic speaker,Democrats have voted for a Republican speaker.
For example, clay check Snyder wasnot the most conservative of the candidates he
was. He came up as acompromise candidate, which is interesting, but
had a falling out with the governorlater. The question is what kind of
compromise candidate is going to come in. It's a major issue. For example,

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in the current state representative race inthe Garden district in Uptown where Madison
O'Malley is taking on incumbent Mayne Landry, where Mally saying I'll vote for a
Republican. She says, I'm aloyal Democrat. I am to the left
of this, but she says,I want to get some money for my
district and it's not putting it away, And she said I'd rather vote for
a Democrat. I am a Democrat, but What matters is your district,

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and so now how it comes in. We've got a really great we have.
I mean, think about this.We have some of the worst roads
in the country and the money,even the money from Katrina, is only
starting to be spent on them,and it's all going to get worse next
year year, like seventeen years later, seventeen years later if it hadn't been

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spent right now. That's why you'reseeing a lot of the construction. Uptown
and lake View were the last andthe schedules, and so you're seeing a
lot there right now because they're gonnalose it. Orleans Paris right now,
it's it's really where it goes straightthree blocks or four blocks, you're gonna
get a roadblock and have to goaround. But working way through amaze.

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What's going to happen is next yearwe're going to end up saying, how
do we pay to these teachers twothousand dollars because it's not in the law,
and we're gonna lose a point fouror five percent sales tax that's going
to take four hundred million dollars outof the budget. At the same time,
all of that Katrina money goes away, all the BP money goes away,
and most importantly, all the excessmoney that we've had from the pandemic
goes away. This was a onetime surplus, and that's what comes in,

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you know. The Edwards proposed spendingsixty million dollars in early childhood education
to offset a loss of one hundredand ninety two million in federal pandemic in
early childhood care, but that wasnot approved. Well, the reason it
wasn't proved is because people are wonderedwhere the money will come from next year,
but I don't know. Overall,it was kind of a depressing legislative
session because you didn't really see Imean, you get some you get some

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UNO's punch to train. Institute forthe Life Sciences got a little money and
considering, but it got it agrant from out of state. The Luias
and a board of regions helped applyit. So it's considered state money,
but it's really not part of thestate. We didn't really put a lot
of money into our colleges and universities. We didn't put a lot of money
in anything. So pretty much,how can I put this politely? A

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typical legislative session high just for those. I remember somebody in North Wisiana said,
you know, with all of ourtax dollars, we thought the streets
in New Orleans must be paved withgold because it all goes there. I'm
like, you have no idea howlittle we actually generate more tax dollars and
we get less. The state Louisianais a bad deal for the metropolitan New
Orleans area. This is not justOrleans, this is Jefferson Blackham in Saint

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Ammany. We send far more moneyabout rouge and we ever see in any
regular universe coming back to us.So wow, that's why the war between
the States was fought that very well. Someone say, my head was something
to deal with the slavery, butthat side. Um uh, Christopher,
really, I'm not We're not gettingThe last Great Battle had nothing to do

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with since and the legislature had anotherto do with slavery taxation. Talk to
Alexander Stevens beforehand and after so,um, we've got about ten minutes left,
and I wanted to get a sortof ask a philosophical question of you.
Hi, and and and because you'reyou're you're you're in an interesting position.

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You're an active pastor but you youwork in mission work, so you
work in the inner cities with youngAfrican American You and your wife, who
is ordained I mean in her ownway, you know. So it's a
yeah, she's formerly ordained, she'sformerly a dane Um. She won't kick
me out. Yeah, I'll tellyou why well, and I want to
actually want to hear that. Butthe question is about women. Pastor hit

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the Southern Baptist Convention, but ithit it in a very strange kind of
way. So for those that heardthe teas are early in the show,
Reverend Dennis Watson send an email outand he was looking for volunteers to come
to Celebration Church to go lobby atthe Southern Baptist Convention about these churches that
we're going to be kicked out forhaving winning pastors. One of them is
probably the most famous Baptist minister inthe United States right now. I don't

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think that's unfair to call Rick Warren. Yeah Stilo back church. Yeah,
it's I mean, it's a hugemega church. And Rick Warren, I
mean has pretty much avoided a lotof the political fights that have been going
on. Is he's very much focusedon people he's had a lot of outreach
programs for the poor. He's donethis, he's theologically. Nobody really had

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a problem with where he stood,and was interesting as Dennis Watson's considered kind
of on the war and the rightof probably you know, the ideological or
spiritual side of the Southern Baptist Convention. But the controversy had to do with
the fact, what do you callp people who are doing pastoral work,
If they're counseling people, if they'reyouth pastors, if they're working, if

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their missions, they are pastoring,So that course they are. Yeah,
so he called them assistant pastors.Nobody else got up there to preach who
was recorned in his church, andthis has happened in a lot of churches.
But the very fact that he calledhe and several other churches who said
they're doing pastoral work, they're calledpastors. They got several churches thrown out
of the Southern Baptist Convention. Chris. They're nowhere called pastors or shepherds would

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have been the term or bishops inthe Bible. Bishop means shepherd. They're
nowhere called that anywhere in the Bible. Women, but they are called prophetesses,
and they are called teachers, andthey are called to pastor and teach
women and children. The issue hereis that women are not to teach men.

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Men are to be the leadership ofthe church. There were no apostle
lets in the Bible. Jesus didn'tchoose. Now he had women followers,
very strong women followers, and there'sa very important place for women in the
church. And there's a very importantplace for women in the Trinity, literally,
because as you study the Trinity,you realize that God has two personalities.

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He's got a male side and he'sgot a female side that is very
easily proven up in the scripture inmany places. And so women are not
left out or they're not second class. And at my best example of this
is from what I learned of themilitary. Gout of the military. You
have two levels of command of themilitary. You have the officers and then
you have the enlisted side, andthey both have levels of command, but

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the enlisted do not command the officers. Officers are in command of the enlisted.
However, the enlisted or their commandchain of command is represented by either
their first sergeant or sergeant major commandssergeant major, he's the one in a
navy, it's like chief petty officeror something like that. He's the one
that advised, is the commander.And many times his advice is what has

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followed. In fact, so manytimes it is uh. I had an
old colonel once tell me, fullcolonel. He said, you know how
you know what you know colonels andgenerals do in their retirement when they all
get together and they closed the doors, he says, all they ever do
is talk about their first sergeants andtheir sergeant majors, because they know those
were the men that made them,that gave them their success. And I

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understand, I understand the metaphors that. So the problem that's going on here
is women are being put in chargeof churches as like the head pastor of
a church, and and and they'reteaching men. And that should not happen.
There is because the Bible says,okay here, it is right here.
No, if you're talking about ifyou're talking about Pauline Epistle, it

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is how many biblical scholars have comeout and said it was a problem in
that church of a group of womenwho are acting extraordinarily disruptive. And he
was not talking about whether a womanbecause Paul encouraged women's to preach. No,
he did not unless he was encouragingthem to teach women and children.
And that's where they're there. There'sjust like sergeant majors do not walk into

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a you know, a commander's meetingand start telling the commanders what to do.
Not in no way but what hegoes to the enlisted side and tells
them what to do. But whenthere's the doors are closed, he's in
there with his commander many times advisinghim, and that's usually what the commander
will be. Right. Is thereany place in the Bible where it says
a woman is restricted from teaching aman the word of God? I will

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quote the verse to you. Itsays I forbid a woman to teach or
have authority over men, because itwas the woman that fell fell on the
garden, not the man. Andthe man was created first, so obviously
men are given the superior command position. And the church's Christopher. It's not

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coming to me right now, youknow, So what if I had you
know, we don't have time.If I could pull him my concordans,
I could get a fighty quickly.If my wife is right, here.
The reason why, the reason whyI asked is is that church that that
that particular verse, And there's alot of transl that's for everybody that I'm
sorry, that is universally applied toall churches. But here he did not.
He would have qualified and if hesaid in this church, I've forbidden,

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he didn't say it that way.It was a broad command for everybody.
And then there by the fact thatthere are no apostle lets us for
there are no female bishops, ourshepherds, our elders in the church.
They're none. There's a lot ofin the Bible. In the Bible,
there's a lot of early church historianswho said that Mary Magdalene was an active
member of the apostle. It andyou know that. No, no,

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that's not sure that Christopher that isthat is gnostic. Hocus pocus is what
that is. Well, those arethe quote historians. Okay, I'm I'm
sorry. Those are not reliable andnot acceptable and and and really I'm also
serious. I'm also going to saythis. There's parts of the Bible,
as we well know that we don'tconsider things we don't that use the Levitican
definition of how you sell your daughterinto slavery and what it works the Old

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Testament. But we're not in theOld Testament, folks, we're in the
New Testament. That changed, thatreally changed the whole game. Okay,
okay, lem Christmas, not goingto go back into a part of the
Bible that doesn't apply to what I'mgetting at. Is fundamentally there that women
have played wor your forbidden to sellyour daughter and slave. You can't do
that. Where in the word youget that from, Well, it's not
no, it's I will, Iwill, I will get I'll read the

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part of Leviticus that talks about itdoes not say that, Oh my gosh,
there's no way that's all right,all right, Sorry I blew that
one. No, I didn't.But there are laws about slavery in the
Bible, how to make a slave, how to keep a slave, and
then how to set a slave free, because you have to set them free
in the Bible. How You're quitecorrect. It is not Leviticus's Exodus twenty
one seventeen, when a man sellshis daughter as a slave, the slave
shall she shall not go out asmale slaves do. It is um,

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it's referring to that specific but here'sthe point. You and I both would
say for gentile, yeah, no, this is this is talking about the
people Israel, and this is thisis part of the exe Jesus. After
receiving the Exodus after twenty one onelived in Canaan Land and they were given
rules to all right, My pointbeing high, is that there are elements

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of biblical practice that the spirit versusthe letter comes through. I don't see
any woman who can't. Frankly,I made it. One of the great
spiritual influences of my life is afemale priest by the name of Kent McClean.
I have the same And yeah,I know. And I've had many
great ladies in my life that influencedme very powerfully and deeply spiritually speaking to

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her. And I also do this, Chris. In our ministry, I
have what I call the Deborah principle. And this is a Debora principle.
Uh. And in the Old Testament, there's this great lady that rises up.
God raises her up to be ajudge, that means, like to
be the president of Israel. Andshe judges and when when you would judge,
you would judge for life. Soand she was a great leader She's

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goes down as one of the greatuh you know people in the Bible.
And she and she made judgments onthe law, which is preach. She
she did, she cutt Christopher.She um uh comes out of a very
bad situation, and she saves theday and Israel is delivered and freed,
and she wins a great battle,and she's a great lady. Now,

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the reason God chose her is becausethe men were so weak at that time
that he couldn't find a man thatcould do the job. So you're never
gonna stop God if you can't putGod in a box and say it always
has to be done this way.So in our ministry, I've introduced what
I call the Deborah principle, andthat means, if we can't get a

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man to do what the man shouldbe doing in our ministry, we'll take
a woman and gladly take her.And we've done that in our ministry.
So I have no problem and Iknow, and that's why part of the
reason I brought the desk. I'vebeen a little hard and hid because I've
watched Him put women in areas oftrue authority in his ministry who've done incredible
work. So That's why I wasasking him this whole thing, because I've

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seen your actions have spoken soul wouldsometimes forgive me. Don't make you hear
what you're saying, because you're helpingpeople, you're spreading the word of God,
You're doing what you're supposed to do. What the meaning of lamb nola
is. But the reason I'm sayingall of this is I look at the
churches that have been expelled from thisand you know, you're like, well,
you know churches. It was itwas five churches. I'm trying to

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call up the to the churches thatwere cast away. If you, if
you will be so things we talkedabout Saddleback. That's where Warren's Church,
Calvary Baptist Church in Jackson, Mississippi, which is one of the biggest Baptist
churches in Jackson, Mississippi, FernCreek Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky.
I'm actually going to be there ina few months. This is big,
you know, think of Mission inGriffin, Georgia, seeing Timothy's Christian Baptist

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Church in Baltimore. These are allvery large churches. And I guarantee you
that the Southern Baptist Convention does notlike losing financial backing, which means they're
going to lose all that support thatthey would have had it, which meant
they are taking this very seriously.They're willing to take their loss, it's
financial losses because of the what theythink of as a doctrinal issue, very
important. Theological doctrinal is look andthis is so, this is I'm watching

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this. This is not just theBaptist Convention. They're running out of people
to fill these posts. And christoherlet me tell you something. The history
of the Baptist Church, the historyof the Baptist Church has had more women
out there doing the job men shouldbe doing. But the men didn't show
up. And I knew one.I'm very well. I love. Her
name was Bertha Smith. She wasa missionary to China, and she preached

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to men, taught them because therewas no man that would show up to
do the job. It was sucha horrible, hard job. She was
there when the comment says, shewas there when the Japanese with She knew
Watchmanne personally. She had a verystrong relationship with him. And and when
people would say, well how doyou do this? You're a woman,
you should, She says, youknow, what did Jesus tell? What
did the angels tell the women atthe at the tomb go tell? Because

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there was no man to do it. And this is what I'm getting at.
You just gave, if I maybe so bold, the right for
women to spread the words preach,to preach to men up. Okay,
but that's the key. But here'sthat thing. Remember, I don't forget
that right now, the men aren'tshowing up. Past pastoral positions are down
across every denomination. Let me thechurch is Christian and burning right now.

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If that's another factor that I mean, the Catholic we've got We're down to
something thirty percent attendance. Now theCatholic Church. The way the Catholic Church
has been dealing with this in thelast five years, it used to have
the same regulations. They still don'thave women priests, but they have members
of women, female members of thedeconinate who are allowed to give homilies.
The Catholic Church defines this as,for example, you can only do the

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bread and the wine, the transubstantiationif you're a man. But ultimately high
when I get down to this iswhat I'm saying there are enough questions about
this. The Southern Baptist Convention madea purest move to eliminate people that are
spreading the word of God and doingthe true good news and good works of
Jesus Christ. And that is aterrible Christ the good news. If those

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women should be where they are,they're still gonna be there, They're just
not gonna be on the Southern Baptist. So what, it's still God's church.
Well, and I would finally tosay, somebody asked me about Southern
Baptist, and I have lost alot of money. Do you believe in
a you know, do you believean agenda only priesthood? And I said
I do. Indeed, I believethat the stronger sex should always be the
one preaching a church and leading thechurch. Men should never be allowed near

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the pulpit. So that's how Iin today should by the way, all
women are priests that are believed thatare Christians, and so are all men.
Amen, and then let them preachpastor All right, on that note,
we'll be back after these important messages. Stay tuned for more of the
Founder show right for this, Well, howdy folks, this is Chapahei mckenry

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and I'm here with LAMB Ministries.We are an intercity ministry with an inner
city formula and focus for inner cityfolks. Go to our website LAMB n
O LA dot com LAMB and NOLAdot com and check us out or just
call me Chaplain High mckenry at areacode five zero four seven two three nine

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three six nine. Let me tellyou, folks, we're a very exciting
ministry. We have seen God todo so many wonderful things. We've just
finished a citywide Blintz Blitz we callit, with teams from really around the
state of Louisiana all came in tohelp us. We reached over five hundred
kids with the gospel. It lastedfor a week. It was last week,

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and it was one of the mostdynamic and exciting experiences I've had.
But it's like that every year whenwe do our citywide blitz. So we
have so many things we do,folks, and we need a lot of
help. We're an extremely challenging ministry, you know. After all, we're
working with the urban poor and theinner city kids of the city who are

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challenging to say the least. Someof these are the future criminals of America.
They're they're the future gang bangers.Sometimes they are the gang bangers.
We've had great experiences with them.But what we've noticed over the years is
that if these kids just get achance, the difference it makes in their
life is enormous. They just needa chance, folks. They have no
chances right now. I mean,they really don't. This is a very

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tragic situation and we need all thehelp we can get. We need prayer
warriors, financial support, and volunteers. So if you have an interest,
please contact us, go to ourwebsite lamb nola dot com and see what
you can do. And thank youso very very much. Bois. We'll

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folcus as chaplain High mckinmren. Weare back and you are listening to the
founders, show the voice of thefounding fathers, your founding fathers. And
it's not a time for us togo into our founding fathers, none other
than googn or Mars as we gointo our chaplain blah blah, patriotic moment,
I just take a brief moment togive you a little history lesson on
the biblical foundations of our country,our Judeo Christian jurisprudence solid as it can

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be. Well, today we're goingto talk about a man named gouvernor Mars.
He was never a governor. That'shis actual first name, and it's
as a French spelling and it's pronouncedanyway. He was quite an amazing man.
He was one of the founding fathers. He's the one who wrote.
He was a recording secretary for theUS Constitution. He was one of the

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members of the Constitution Convention that gaveus our great United States Constitution. He
spoke more than any other founding fatherdoing that that period. It was about
a half year that they spent writingthe Constitution. He spoke over one hundred
seventy three times. I remember he'sa recording secretary, so I think he
knew what was going on in theUnited States. First minister to France,

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he was a US Senator. Hewrote, help write a play, major
role running the New York Constitution.He was a graduate of Columbia University.
He was a merchant, a lawyer, a planter, a financier, a
pioneer promoter of the Erie Canal,which was a major event in this country,
and he also in France when hewas there he wrote them a manual,

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if you will, on how tobuild a government, because after all,
he was quite experienced in it.You know, he's known as the
father of American education, both publicand private. He was that involved with
education. And this is what hesaid. Religion is the only solid basis
of good morals, and therefore educationshould teach the precepts of religion and the

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duties of man toward God. Folks. I think Gouber and Mars want to
keep God in government big time,not institutionally, but philosophically, as a
moral compass, as a social guide, if you will, through life,
and that we would teach in ourschools, and we did up until nineteen

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sixty and then everything then from thatpoint on, everything with education has been
going down. Here the number onerated educational system in the world, we're
now in number twenty five. That'spretty pitiful, folks, that's absolutely pathetic.
It's like everything fell apart once wekick out, kicked prayering, Bible
reading out. But as he wasnear death, Gouberamars said this, He

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said that he descends toward the gravefull of gratitude to the giver of all
good folks. What a great foundingFather, what a great man of God.
And didn't wonderful to think we hadmen like that, men and women
who played such a major role inthe birth of our country and the establishment
of this great country we have.We have to look to them as the
ones who gave it to us.They were the ones, and boy did

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they give it to us. Wehave the most remarkable constitution I've probably ever
written in the history of mankind.And but the finding Fallows made it very
clear it was written for a godlyand moral people and could serve no other
meaning. If the people of Americadon't follow God, aren't sticking with the
Lord, the Constitution are going todo a very good job. And look

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at what's happening. Look at what'shappening, Churchton. This is down to
thirty percent from seventy percent, whichwasn't that good. But now it's down
to thirty percent. Just in thepast ten years. We're crashing and burning
folks in this country. We betterwe American needs to go back to God.
But you know he's talking here abouthow what peace he had descending into
the grave as he looked forward toglory to heaven. Folks, what about

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you are you looking forward to youreternity? Google Amar certainly was. He
had a firm foundation, And rightnow I'm going to tell you how you
can have that exact same firm foundation. As we go into our chaplain blah
blah gospel moment, where again Ijust take a brief moment to show you
how you can know that you knowthat, you know you're saved from a
burning hell and guaranteed heaven, everlastingresurrection life. And it kind of goes

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like this, folks, you know, God knew you would never make it
on your own. He knew youwere not capable of in any way redeeming
yourself. If you will, youcan do some good things and do part
of the job, but you'll neverdo the complete job because you're just not
capable. You're not perfect. Godis perfect and you're not. Let us

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say one Shell Square here in NewOrleans, which is whatever, it's like
fifty stores or something, seventy storesits way up there, our tallest building.
Let's just say you were the greatestathlete that ever lived, the greatest
Olympic athlete. You would want thirtygold medals and track and fielding, all
kinds of stuff, weightlifting, andyou name it, you had done it.
You were the greatest box are thegreatest everything, folks, and you
could jump higher than anybody just youheld all the records. Well, if

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somebody took you over to one shellsquare and said, okay, let's see
if you can meet the standard,the standard at the top of this building,
you could jump all day long,you'd never make the top. And
that's like it is. God's standardsare so above us. He's perfect.
We're imperfect. So there's a hugegap between us and God and we're never
gonna make it. So quit trying. You can't save yourself. You can't
even help God out. In fact, if you help God out, you

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kill the deal because you're bringing yourfilthy rags to the deal. That's what
God calls your righteousness. Filthy rags. Faced folks were just not that good,
even the very best of us.But we don't have to be that
good because He was good for usfor you. When I say he,
I'm talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, God, the Son. So God

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came up with a plan on howhe would fix our no good allows he
butts, and this is what hedid. He became a man, the
Lord Jesus Christ, fully man andfully God, perfect God and perfect man.
He became that man so he couldbe the man that would do the
job, because it took a manto do it, but it had to
be a perfect man. And onlyGod could do that. And Jesus did

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that when he went to the crossand died for all of us, where
his blood washed away all our sins, where he paid for all of our
sins. That meant he brought redemption. He redeemed us, buying us out
of the slave market of sin togive us the glory of heaven. Now
he doesn't force that upon anybody.God is a god of love. The

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bole says God loves you with aneverlasting love. These are all love issues
that I'm talking about. The wayit's all about love, folks, I
really made from Genesis Revelation. Youwant to summarize the entire Bible. It's
a four letter word L O VE. Love. So that God can't
will not force you to love him. And there's a way you love God.

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You know how you love him bytrusting him. When you trust him,
the love connection takes place. Sohe died for all your sins,
was buried and rose from the deadto win for you his precious free gift
of resurrection, everlasting life, thereforedefeating death on your behalf and giving you
the victory of life over death.All he asked you to do is really

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trust him for this and believe thathe really did do it for you.
He did. Folks, the Biblesays, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and thou shalt be saved for God'sso love the world. That's you.
That he gave his only begotten son, that's the Lord Jesus Christ.
He gave his only begotten son,that whosoever believeth in him, believe what
believed, that he died for yoursins and rose from the dead, that

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whosoever believeth in him shall not paypish, not go to hell, but
have everlasting life. Jesus kept saying, repent and believe, Repent and believe.
Let me tell you what you dowhen you repent. It's when you
realize you cannot save yourself. You'rehopeless and helps without God, and you
absolutely cannot save yourself. You havenothing to bring to the table but your
own, dirty, rotten self,and that's it, and that's all you

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need to do go to God asa hopeless help us beggar, because that's
all we are. Throw yourself onhis mercy and trust his plan of redemption.
That Jesus died for all your sins, was buried and rose from the
dead. That is called the gospelin the Bible. If you believe that,
the Bible guarantees you heaven, itguarantees you a total salvation from a
burning hell. If you've never donethat before, Folks, do it now.

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Don't wait till it's too late,like the old country preacher said,
and like the Bible says, nowtoday is a day of salvation. Well,
folks, it is not time forus to go into our chaplain watchman
on the wall, where again wejust take a brief moment to show you
how the end is near and youbetter get ready for it. Folks,
are over two hundred prophecies telling usthe signs that would come for the end.

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Jesus listed a little over thirty inhis All of It discourse, and
he said, when you see allthese things coming together at the same time,
you know I'm at the door.That means all these things have to
coincide at the same time. Rightnow, they are. One of those
things is in the Book of Danielthat says knowledge will increase folks. Do
you realize that knowledge, computer knowledge, and computer stuff and all that AI

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is doubling every twelve hours. Thatis so frightening. That is so extreme,
folks. We're about ready to losecontrol of it all. And we're
going to have computers owning us andtaking us over, robots owning planet Earth.
And believe me, they're not goingto be on our side. They
cannot be because they're being programmed forthe most efficient things, and we are
so inefficient and so messed up.The AIS are going to have to just

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get rid of us. And thatwe've seen that in movies and it's very
true. And the people who createall this not building their own buckers bunkers
to pass the AI apocalypse that's coming. You don't have to be part of
that, folks. You can befree from that. You can get your
own bunker and it's free. Thename of that bunker is the Lord Jesus
Christ. Go to him right now, put your faith in trust in him,
and you won't have to worry aboutall this. You're gonna have the

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safest, most protected place in theuniverse. Jesus, do it now before
it's too late. Believe on himright now. I believe that he died
for all you. Sends with bardonrosevevid Well, there's not time for us
to close, as we close withhim on Saint Martin singing a Creole goodbye,
and God bless all out there callingCreedo goodbye. They think we're just

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Please feel out time all three sitby s love me this time for goodbye