The Founders Show #472

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Episode Transcript

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Bite holes and politicians but dressed todigit dators and magicians troops to see the
money. Then you don't. There'snothing to feel the holes while then filling
their pockets, bite holes and politiciansbouncing down the route every bysuition, the

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no mom corruption and dysfunction is gonnatake divine interven shun and God bless all
out there. You are now listeningto the founders. So the voice of
the founding fathers, your founding fatherscoming to you deep within the bowels of
those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps ofthe Big Easy, that old Crescent City,

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New Orleans, Louisiana, and highup on top of that old liberty
Cypress tree way out on the EaglesBranch. This is none other than your
spenary Bye by other republic Chaplain highmcgenry who Christopher Tidmore. You're Roving a
reporter, resident radical moderate and associateeditor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana
Weekly dot net. And ladies andgentlemen, as we teased in the opening,

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we're gonna actually do a tribute tosomeone that Marguerite A Bergen. He
would have appreciated this called a pillarof the community. UM. I don't
know if David Borden Tidmore would haveconsidered himself a pillar, but it was
very kind of her to do it. And for those that don't know,
um, and you've been very indulgent. My father, David Borden Tidmore passed

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away this past week and of courseour first airing runs on Friday, with
our airings on Sunday and Monday andWednesday, so the funeral will have already
occurred, but we wanted to spendsome time talking about how a person impacts
a community. Here and Hi,we have some special guests joining us to
be a phone link. Yes,all right. We've got doctor Maurice Villery,

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formerly of the Business Department of theUniversity of New Orleans, doctor Ronald
Courier and one of a prominent dentistsall retired, and Alan Malone, one
of the foremost light specialists. Butalso it was not only my dad's high
school friend, but a teacher atMedary Park Country Day School for many years
and shaped many minds in our community. Gentlemen, thank you for all joining
us in this tribute to my father. He would be utterly flabbergasted. Maybe

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a little aghast, probably at theidea of doing a radio show at him.
So I deeply appreciate it, andI would wanted to see who goes
first. Each of you knew andRonnie you you knew my dad from childhood
all the way through and your livesand literally you were one of the last
people to speak to him before hisdeath. Alan, you went to high

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school with him. In fact,in the obituary that I wrote in the
time speaking you and I recount oneof his favorite stories about Irma Thomas came
because you were still busy in aradio studio. And of course, ladies
and gentlemen when it goes through Ronniemoo you, Ronnie, Alan, you
all know you knew him from collegeand in fact you are the reason my

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parents met. But I wanted tostart off. You know, we're remembering
a friend of yours, but rememberinga guy who influenced, who helped build
the insurance industry here in Louisiana,really created the modern shirty business. Wrote
that literally wrote the book on theBible for it. But he's he's he's
a person, and I was curiousif you, um, if you guys
want to start Ronnie you know himthe longest, you can talk a little

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about him. But remember my father'slistening somewhere, So he's not he's not
gonna want heg geography. He's gonnawant funny stories. And this is a
man who this is a man whoonce went on a cruise ship, as
I said in the story on theColumbia River, and Dan Blanchard, the
head of un cruise, basically likedhis Cajun jokes so much he literally put
him on stage for the entire cruise. So but if you would sort of

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talk about um David Tidmore and feelfree, guys came in. I can't
remember that very well, but ifit was, I would say it was
right after World War two or inthat vicinity. I still remember the signer
going off and had to turn thelights off. I'm not sure Borden was
allowed out at that time. Butwe Uh, he lived three houses down

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from me, and we moved thebell Air Drive when I was two,
and I guess h I figured thattoday we had known each other for seventy
four years. Wow, and uhhe would he would come down. He
was four years younger than I was, and he would come down. I

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guess he was not the only child, but his brother was I believe what
eight years old, seven years oldexactly, So he was I had twin
brothers and they were twelve years olderthan me, so we were almost like
only children. And so he grewout in the yard and play and I
would do the same and would justget together sometimes play a little by or

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go to the movies and uh Sowardthe things started and we didn't go to
the same schools together. We didn'thave the same friends, but we lived
in the same neighborhood, and whenwe'd see each other, we'd just I'd
go over there, he'd come overhere, and we'd just started talking about
different things, and it was itwas just a mutual thing that was.
It was really a different friendship I'vehad with than anyone else, because most

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of my friends have gone to schoolwith and so forth. We didn't.
I was always in Trague, Granniebecause you guys met his children. And
yet at the same time, inthe last few years in my life,
of my dad's life, you literallyspoke every day. What is it like
to have a seventy four year friendshipwith somebody? It's hard to conceive them
it's the reason when your mother firstgot ill, I called him every day

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because I knew that he was goingthrough something or as something said. And
when my wife he did the same. And it's just something that continued.
I mean we would say, hey, how are you doing today, I'd
said, well, he would saygreat, whatever you and in two seconds

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later would say, would give youbuzz tomorrow and I would Then we got
this thing going you used to talkabout once, the Churchill Club, I
believe that you remember, And soI'd answer the phone, his curry here
and people here, and that continuedfor quite a few years. So that

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was just some of the things.But as far as a conversation and he
left the conversations, uh well,if he had a few pups, they
would go on for quite a while. You know. Well, Alan,
you know about conversations. For thosewho joining us, we're doing a tribute.
It will indulge me a little bit. My father passed away, David
Barden Ted Moore, who was awell known figure in the insurance and business

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communities. And uh, Alan,you met him in high school and you
remember that my father was often dubbedthe lunatic on the motorbike. Yeah,
well, I dude, I donot remember that part of it. I
remember that he showed up with witha muscle car one day, and it
must have been a little bit beyondwhat you're talking about there, and he

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claimed that this car would accelerate fromzero to sixty and six seconds, and
we all thought that was totally ridiculous, and we gave him the nickname of
sixty and six tid boy. AndI'm not I'm not sure whether he was
allowed to drive the car. Idon't think. I don't know whether he
ever demonstrated that or didn't demonstrate thatacceleration. But I do remember that he

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had many names at high school,but that was one of I remember.
Yeah, I met Barton at atschool, and I came there in the
summer of nineteen fifty six, soI guess in the fall nineteen fifty six
we were going into the ninth gradetogether, and that's when I first knew
him, and I always knew himas boarding. I think that uh David

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is such a common name. Uhit wouldn't. It never seemed right to
me for him to have a commonname like that, you know, just
any old guy could be named uhDavid. Borden was born. He was
a unique character, of course,and I think it's more you know,
in my own mind, it's morefitting to think of him as as that
rather than a guy named Dave.And it made it. But the thing

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we love so much ice cream,Boden's ice cream. Yeah, oh yeah,
and that's actually got that's not whataccidental idemy board. And his grandmother
was the daughter of one of thefounders of Borden. Uh no, yeah,
your grandmother. Your grandmother used totake this after the movies a lot
of times later on in life.Uh, let's see, we had been
through college and the military and allthat. I didn't do in the military,

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but he got to drive a tankand Germany. That's how like a
lot of fun. Anyway, wekind of got back together because I was
having some insurance problems and we foundout that he did an insurance but so
I called him up. He said, I said, with you people by
aged, and of course he wasa little bit beyond that in the industry,
but he said, oh, hellyeah, I'll hell you insurance.

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So he took over the insurance ofthe house of the car, and uh,
I don't know what else I insured, but he was handling it,
and then of course he had something. The agents take that over later on.
Well, but but right right afterthe hurricane, he had been flotted
out and they were staying with somebodywho was way far away. Yeah,

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this day with me for three months. Yeah, he was staying quite a
long way from where he worked.So I'm ride around the corner from your
work. Why don't you come overand stay with me? So he and
he and Lulu came over and stayedwith us for not quite a year.
I think it was close to ayear. And so she was able to
get over to the house and supervisethe repairs, and he was able to

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get to his office, which wasprobably about a ten minute drive from here.
But every afternoon we'd go out onthe front porch and we'd have a
little l afternoon and Toddy and sawthe problems of the world. I don't
know if you've noticed, but rightafter the hurricane the big Store, many
of the problems of the world,uh ceased to exist. And it was
because of our discussions out there withhim with bourbon and me probably with beer

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or Scotch, and uh, wereally did a good job with it.
Actually, one thing I remember isMarylyn, my wife said, you know,
Morton, I don't remember seeing abill for our flood insurance anytime in
the recent past. Could could youcheck and see what's going on? He
said, oh yeah, I'll seewhat's going on. Having to find out

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we had paid off the note onour house and we always paid the insurance
along with the note. And whenwe paid the paid off the note,
they quit. They cover after usfor us. So we love the Memory
Ridge and we're so high above sealevel we have to go up some of
the oxygen when we're about the driveway. But but he went to work the
next bunday and he said, wouldyou check on this client here? And

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she says, well, no,they dropped at me. Wasn't taking it?
Oh my god, all of asudden, he didn't want he's just
bonding right now and the ladies inbonding. What do you mean bonding him?
You know, he's got to gothrough all the process, Borden said,
Biden. So anyway, we wentthrough the big storm naked and uh
and that goodness we didn't get anydamage over here. Yeah, and so

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that was another little close call thatwe shared with board. It was it
was my dad was often fond ofthis. I don't know if you realize
this. For those that are justjoining us, we're doing a tribute to
my late father. He passed awaya week ago, and um, he
is, you know, we're broadcastingthis after the funeral. But that David
bordened Moore was a well known insuranceagent in the area. He's actually an

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expert in commercial and shurety bonds,as we said we was. But it
was kind of funny. Alan,I can honestly say my dad has represented
Tidewater, Otico, McDermott, freePark mcmaran and Alan Malone. Oh yeah
alone. So it's and you.And here's the thing, here's the irony.
I actually asked this as my father, how long you write written Allen's

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insurance? Because he basically only wrotehouse insurance for friends. He had a
couple of policies because really he wasan expert. He was actually brilliant at
it, but he didn't really doit. He mainly handled contractors and big
construction projects. And he said,well, um, he did a little
math and he says, I justrealized Allen is my longest continuous customer ever.

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He's outlasted several fortune five hundred companies. I've gone out of business and
I'm still going strong. And sofor those that don't know, David Borden
tied Moore was in the insurance industry. Was after the after service in the
military of the third Armed Calvary Regimentin West Germany. We'll tell a kind
of funny story about that in asecond. And he told great cage of

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jokes and it's it's but um hewas. He was one of the founders
of the Louisiana Association shirty Bond Producers, was a board member of the Associated
General Contractors at ABC, and hedid a lot of stuff for construction projects
and in fact, he actually createda nonprofit in nineteen ninety nine to help
African American contractors get it sure hebonded. It's interesting that when I talked
about my dad, a lot ofpeople are no sections of his life.

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So you guys knew a lot ofhis private stuff. You knew his music
stuff. You didn't know as muchof his business stuff. Other people knew
all of this business stuff. Andwhen I put in the obituary that he
knew Ernima Thomas and Ernie Cato andall these people. They're like, he
knew all these musicians, he wasfriends with them, and it was kind
of strange how in a person's life, as we're looking back, it's kind
of bivocated. But we've been,um, he's been waiting very patiently doctor

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Maurice Hillery, who is his closestfriend in college. And Mo, you
you met my dad at the Betafraternity house and you know sixty in the
nineteen sixty and that's where he methis wife. As he tells it is
it was basically he had become friendswith Moe and his brother Plow and close
friends. And the minute he sawmy mother, your sister, who had

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brought to the protected the party,he like barreled past you to to meet
hers. So she was one ofthe girls. And then that's actually how
they read. Yeah, and Ialways wondered how we ended up with Irma
Thomas was at the Beta house,So now I know, Yeah, I
didn't know for those that did notread the article, and also we did.

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I don't think we had Ernie Cadoover there. We had Deacon John.
You had Deacon John, and thatwas both of them were with my
dad because he knew Deacon John prettywell Elm which is probably my first wedding,
why we had Deacon John, butit was Um Irma was an interesting
story because for those that didn't readthe obituary either in the Louisiana Weekly or
in the time, speak yune myfault. It's all because of Alan Malone.

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The reason why you had Irma Thomasat the Beta house. So that
yeah, Alan was working one ofthe at the radio station but below Cosmos
recording studio. My dad came downand the story, I said, he's
busy. It was basically, itcame down to go drinking together. And
Um, from the way my dadtold the story, and Alan, you
can set me straight if it's ifit was different than I said it in

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the story. He uh, hewent, he went upstairs. There was
somebody recording. Well the recording was, as my father put it, this
little slip of a girl called IrmaThomas and she recorded its raining. And
what made it funny was um Dadstayed up with her and he actually got
her to the Beata for Attorney house. But that night he went to her
and said, miss Thomas, Idon't know if you remember, I was
in the corner. He was thereuninvited. He had snuck in and she

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said, you were the fat boyin the corner. This became a running
joke between my father and Irma toomesI've watched this. They'll walk into a
room and across the room, Irmawill yell fat boy, you know,
and people look at this like,who the hell is this person? See,

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I used to tell people that weyou know, we had great parties
at the Beata House, but wehad her own town. Was Deacon John
all these people, and they saidhe pulling my leg. I said,
no, I'm met Irma too,but I mean true. And my dad,
my dad knew a lot of theearly rock and roll. He was,
he was, he was. Oneof his friends was Clarence Frogman Henry
and oh and uh he was.There's a there's a true story um about

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my father. He had he wasBasically, Frog was playing a brunch set
at the at the Court of twosisters. My Dad's like, why is
Frog there? So Colls, Frogs, I'm gonna come see this show.
So they're sitting there and my motherwas there as well, so I have
a witness to this actually happened.And they go and watch Frog play and
he's just playing basically, which abrunch music. And this is a guy

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who at this point um has effectivelygentlemen at all of you know, it's
he's he's a number one record,all these different things, and he's playing
there. And so they invite Frog, and my dad knew Frog very well,
and they're havn't breakfast. Anybody's lookingaround. Why's Frog eaten with them?
And he's like, my dad's lookingat him. He said, Frog,
why are you here? What isAnd Frog was was like, well,

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Cosmo only pays me a penny ofrecord, I'd starve to death and
I did and actually became a bigthing with both of my parents. But
my dad, a lot of peopledon't realize he spent a lot of time
advocating for musicians over the years umto get sufficient royalties. He never talked
about it, he never made adeal about it, but he was on
a lot of panels. He wason a lot of things because of that
conversation, and that's how he gotto know Erykato and some of the others

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and some of the other musicians.Cosmo Matassa, Yeah, Cosmo Matassa.
Folks, if yell don't know it. First rock and roll song ever recorded
was done by Cosmo Matassa, andthe first rock and roll song ever to
broadcast on the radio was at hisradio station right there on North Rampart,
straight across from Congo Square, abovethe laundromat well connected to the grocery school

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in the French squad. Yeah,that was his family. Well, and
I wanted to why don't we askwhy do we ask Alan because he worked
there about it? What about actualour cosmos? Go ahead, Allen.
That was that was a good differentcosmo up the street. But uh,
just at the time that we're talkingabout, this was in the uh in

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the early sixties. Yeah, sixtysixty one. He was at five twelfth
Governor Nichol Street. He had hehad a little problem. He forgot to
pass income tax for several years anduh the rascals had run him out of
business and he had had reorganized andhe was over there. That was a

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very interesting place, an old brickbuilding that had some slave quarters in the
back and had had a big tunnel. And went back to the parking area
and we got we got to knowmac Rabadak, who was doctor John and
all kinds of interesting people would comethrough there. The first when I first
went in there my first night onthe job, Alan Tousa was in there
and he was scribbling some music ona piece of paper. You know.

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He said, you know, Ithould sound better like this, And I'm
amazed because I thought they just wroteit out and then they went't recorded it,
but no, it was in theprocess and went on. And by
the way, I'd like to putin a little two cents that Boardon told
me about one time about herbat Thomas. He got her and her group to
play for the for the eternity,and at the end she wanted to princely

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sum of thirty five dollars, andthe boys in the fraternity were bitching like
hell that they were going to paythat all that money for a man Iran.
They had to play thirty five ashard earned dollars for that. They
were trying to break away one up. And then they go into that big
soundproof room and they played music allnight. And to make a record.

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I don't know if people are toofamiliar with what was like to make a
record, but you play it overand over and over and over and over
again, and the one little screwup you know, they'd go in,
they record it and then listen toit, and then they find something they
wanted to change and go back intothis room. This was before the days
of overdubbing, and they'd play again, and you know, and was going

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all night. I was there thenight past Domino did walking to New Orleans,
and it still bring the goosebumps.It started like what Borden was like.
Listen to her new It's raining.But those were very warm and friendly
people. They were easy to meet, and uh, you know, if
you knew him, Patch Dobin,I would go in the little studio where

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I was working, and he wouldbug the heck out of me. He'd
say he wanted me to plug hisrecords. And I was playing classical music
there for something we call the ClassicalMusic Society. And I said, I'd
be glad too, fasts, butyou know, i'd lose my job and
you'd have to you'd have to paymy salary for the rest of my life.
But he'd always come in there andKidney, well, anybody who does

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Fats Domino knows that if he evershook his hand, you had a friend
for life. You know. Hewas that kind of a guy. But
a lot of those musicians were likethat. That really rings true with me
too. Well. Borden was thesame kind of guy. You know,
you shake his in one time andhe's your friend. So I could I
could understand how he was very closeto a lot of those musicians. So

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I've lived on Caffeine Avenue down inthe Lord Ninth and he would were on
that area at night occasionally, andevery bar room he went into, he
would treat everybody. He'd buy everybodya drink every move and it was it
was you know, and my dadwould It was really kind of funny for
those that are just joining him.M Henry Chritopher Tidmore. Here in the
Founder Show on w R and On WSLA Lais and Jones were joined by

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three special guests, Alan Malone,Ronnie Curier and Maurice Hillery talking, we're
doing a tribute to David Borden,tied More. My father passed away,
but who knew many of the earlyplayers of rock and roll, just like
Alan did, and proceeded to doa lot of the corporate stuff that built
a lot of Louisiana when it cameto insurance and a few other areas.
But my dad was he I knowthat spirit because people tell that. People

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hear this story I'm about to tell, and they're saying, you're lying.
Well, my dad had made friendswith aaronic Cato over this process and one
time we're a jazz fest. Icouldn't have been more than four or five,
no more, and it was ajazz fest. Used to be a
little bit more informal than it isnow. Today it's very separated. You
could just walk up the size stageand Ernie saw my dad and it was
like, ah boorden because everybody calledhim board and back in those days,

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come on and he couldn't. AndErnie said, oh, it's your sign.
He put he puts me on thepiano bench next to him on stage,
wow and plays and it was andit was. And I tell people
that story, They're like, you'relying and you're making this up. But
I didn't know who he was sittingnext to the Emperor. I had no
idea. I told Kurrt Ruffins thisonce and he was like, you what.

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He couldn't believe it. And soI was at the mother in law.
I was at the mother in lawlounge the day they closed it down.
Of course, they've reopened it since. Yeah it's courrect Broke Ruffins Place
now. Yeah, it's done agreat job. But it was quite an
experience to be there for the closingof it, and there sat the Emperor
on his throne, and I call, I guess it's still there. I

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hope, So it's still in here. It's the folks. We're gonna take
a quick commercial break. We're joinedby doctor Maurice Villery, Doctor Ronald Courier,
and Alan Malone. Talking about DavidBorden Timore. We're looking back.
We're also looking back how New Orleansdeveloped its music, it's culture, it's
in so much of what it wasover those years. And we'll talk a
little bit about golf and the strangersof golf rightly, not only the birthplace

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eight and welcome back to the FounderShow. As always here on the program,
I'm Christopher Timore and I mean himagain right And as always Chrispoh and

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I work. It is so veryhard to bring you the truth. The
whole truth and another about the truthso help us God, and today we're
talking about it a wonderful truth.Christopher's father, who was a wonderful guy.
I got to know him over thepast ten years and it was just
a delightful person to be around,visitor with and talk. Fascinating guy.
And we had three tests. Weguess literally his three oldest friends in the

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world. Doctor Ronic Curia, friendfrom childhood who was the literally last person
that spoke seventy four year friendship,Alan Malone for those that know, a
teacher who inspired generations of people ormade him really feared of his class.
It depend upon what students at MaryPark Country Day School US also taught a
lot of pilots here in the noncommercial sector. And doctor Maurice Hillery,
who was also a feared teacher atthe business Department of the University of New

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Orleans for many years. And Ihave so much to talk about. I
can talk about my father. Iwill say a couple of things in his
military career was kind of interesting,but MO, I need to bring up
my dad. A lot of peoplewhen I wrote the obituary for him,
we're kind of surprised. My fatherwas so involved, not just as a
golfer, but in so much ofthe politics. For those that don't know,

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my father was a member of theFour Kids Foundation, and after Katrina
was a big critic of the ideaof creating the Bayou Oaks golf Course at
City Park because, yeah, Idon't blame him that I went. I
went there a couple of years,so it's a beautiful golf course, but
the green tea was close to twohundred dollars. It's insane and he and
he actually alienated quite a few people, including my former father in law,

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who are on the board with him, because he said, he said,
we have twelve million dollars from FEMA, and he basically Bob Becker and City
Park were dependent on Four Kids toraise a lot of the money. He
said, we get twelve million dollars, we can raise a couple of million
more and have a really nice golfcourse, which is exactly what was going
on with Joe Bartholomew golf course.He said, and we can, and
the green fees will still be affordable. But if we do this plan,

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it's an over one hundred million dollars. In fact, you guys are misestimating
it by about twenty five million.My dad was an expert. He was
not a contractor, but he wasan expert in contract insurance. And contrary,
he knows what costs to build things. He knew how to build a
golf course. And he was like, he basically said, if we do
this, the average green fee willbe over one hundred and fifty dollars,

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and you will push the average golferoff and in the end you won't make
any profits. You want this tosupport city park. The irony is you're
gonna make it so expensive with suchhard payments, You're going to lose money
in this golf course. And Iremember he said he was deeply unpopular for
pointing, you know, saying theEmperor had no clothes, and everything he
proved came true. And it wasbecause he approached this from the standpoint of

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being a passionate golfer. He hadbeen involved in junior golf for years,
teaching young golfers. A lot ofpeople don't know that, but my dad
was a pretty expert at least agolfer in the short game, you know.
And you played golf with him startingin college basically all the way through
your life. Totally stopped playing aboutthree two lane. I don't think he
did. But he was a reallygood golfer, Yeah, and an adamant.

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He was devoted to golf. Heloved golf. Probably know that.
And he wasn't along hit, butboy, he was straight and could he
have a putt. He parted thelights out. He actually won his left
than I was good to de Green, but I wasn't worth a damn as
of butter, but he was.He was. He actually staid, between
the two of you, you madea pro um. That's about it.

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Yeah, my father within my fatheractually won his last golf tournament at the
age of seventy five. It wasin Houston and m he was. He
was on a scramble team, sohe didn't he said. He told the
young guys, all right, youget me within one hundred and twenty uh
feet of the hole and I'll takeit one hundred twentyards, hundred twenty yards
one hundy tree, hundred and twentyyards of the hole, and I'll take

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care of the rest. And that'sexactly what they did. And it didn't
matter if they were in the rough, it didn't matter if they were in
the center of the yard. Hewas. He was an expert from one
hundred and twenty yards and he reallywas, by the way, in honor
of golf. If they're listeners whofind golf a very boring game, I
always did. I advise everyone tosee the movie Bagger of Vance. It

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will change your whole understanding and attitudetoward golf. It's a great movie.
Yeah, it's you mentioned. UhFreddie Hassa there, His daughter, Becky
was was a classman of ours acountry day and uh and part of the
that's actually be I think, didn'tshe I think she married a beta from
her chapter she will. Yeah,I don't know. She died, died

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very young. She died of cancer. But yeah, he was. He
was a famous uh, one ofthe famous fathers of our of our school.
He was a pg He was onthe PGA at the time, um
on the tour. And people askedme when when they read the editorial,
your father played golf with Freddie Hassa, how did this happen? It was
literally because he had been a classmateof his daughter, and they found themselves

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basically older. My dad was inhis seventies. Freddie was ninety something or
ninety two, and they were,they were free to. My father played
golf three to four times a weekuntil he was seventy six seventy seven years
old. So he and Freddy wouldgo out and play golf. And of
course the story I tell is thatmy father goes out. It's actually at
Chatau Country Club. He hits thethird hole, he gets a hole in

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one there in the back nine onsixteen, he comes within a quarter of
an inch of the hole. It'slike teetering on the edge of the hole,
and Freddie starts screaming. He says, I was on the pro tour.
I never got a whole one.You got freaking two in one round.
I think the name of the pro. But they had some pro who

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won, like, I don't know, thirteen or fourteen tournaments in a row,
way back in the forties and fifties. And Freddy hass is the one
who ended his uh, his strength. Wow. Did Borden tell a lot
of his cajun jokes on the golfcourse. I guess he did. No,
he was too serious. Now hewas interesting. It's kind of funny

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if you were. I saw myfather literally right at one point at marsh
McClean in one hundred and sixty twomillion dollars performance and payment bond for a
project in Indonesia. I saw himright these huge things. He would always
be cracking jokes. He'd always bewhat you saw him everywhere else. I
saw him deal with millions upon millionsof dollars. I saw a new airport,

(31:18):
stuff like that, and being ushere do us. The minute he
went on a golf course, theman was focused. It was it was
like a surgeon going into doing brainsurgery. He was For those that she's
joining us. We've been talking toAlan Malone, Ronnie Currier, and Maurice
Hillary about David Gordon Tidmore kind ofhis impact and gentlemen, we got so

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much. We've been covering this.We're kind of tribute. He's passed away
at the age of eighty one aweek ago for those that indulge me as
my father. But he was involvedin a lot of things, and I
was curious. You know, it'skind of interesting how people compartmentalize their lives,
and it's it's you don't really knowall the things that they do,
and it's I've heard a lot ofpeople who've written me since the editorial.

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The article ran and the time speakingand they're like, I knew your father
for decades and I didn't realize anyof this, like two or three things.
That's right, This is a memorialfor your father. People might do
this just one guy and who knewthem, But guess what what this really
is. This is a documentary onNew Orleans and New Orleans of of of
latter years, which is fascinating becauseyour father was so integrated and involved with

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the life of the city and allof the amazing culture of this city.
We're getting a history lesson on NewOrleans right now through your father's life story.
True. It's really, it's true. It's true, and it's actually
a memorial at my father's side aboutthis. In fact, you were there,
Mo, when my mother decided thatshe was going to do some of
these sketches of preservation Hall that endedup becoming a famous went to a few
things where she was sketching. Yeah, and so she one of the things,

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my father, the Prince, thatshe did. Yeah, and then
amazing it was saw the knew themusicians and she was a famous artist.
It was actually sweet. It wasmy father who had said you should do
Sweet Emma and Mo and my motherwent there and her sweet was there.
And uh, I remember that thatprint that the week she died, one
of those prints sold for thirty thousanddollars at South Peace one the Originals.

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I didn't get any of that.I wish to god i'd gotten it.
It's been resold several times, butuh, but it was kind of interesting
because she looked at her side asthe of the art of the music,
and she was known for a lotof these jazz musicians, a lot of
these early rock and roll musicians.By the way, just so you understand
in New Orleans, this is alittle fluid, and it's amazing, guys,
how few people understand that when you'retalking about a jazz R and B,

(33:37):
a rock and roll musician, youwere talking about sometimes the same people.
It's not as bivocated it was theywere. There were different forms.
They would go back and just likepeople up in Tennessee were involved in country
music and in rock and roll,it's it's it's it wasn't as separate as
it all went through. So um, and you know, Lula really nailed
Sweet Emma. I mean that printthat she did, and that was how

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she held the hands on the pianoand everything. Incredible to me. Oh
my goodness, they're actually they're actuallyselling the image on a T shirt at
Preservation Hall now. And both familiesyour mother from the villais your father from
the uh Trellis El Trellis and umboarding, which is very interesting. Well

(34:20):
it was no Orleans families. Yeah, it was. Well, I mean
there was there was something about mydad that made him a bit of an
kind of class that he was kindof because his grandfather came from Seville,
Spain, so it was not anold family. He had actually come here.
He had married a girl whose familywas from Cuba and big landowners.
If you ever had a Coheba cigars, Yeah, but El Trella cigars that

(34:44):
was like maybe one of the onlycigar factors in the city, right,
Yeah. His So what they did, how the Astro cigars there, al
Castro Cigars stole all that prob' that'swhat they could get the tobacco from Cuba.
Yeah, it was kind of funny. So Carmen Armah and Brooks Duncan
went down to Cuba recently and theywanted to find the the the Venta house

(35:07):
and they went it's right outside ofHavana and they went there and the brook
was like he was. It wasbasically he and Foster and all the brothers
went and it's like, yeah,we loved your house. It's a nice
communists that are living there. Butit was. It was kind of an
interesting thing because he imported it andhe created what was the first high grade
democratic cigar. But they were alsothey made a lot of money, but

(35:27):
they were kind of outside of NewOrleans society. So my dad, my
grandmother, Tillie trellis Tidmore for thosethat don't know, was she was somebody
who was through these incredible parties.The day my father was born, she
was throwing a cocktail party, soit logically she just continued the cocktail party
in her hospital room for thirty sevenpeople. That was how my father was
born. Um and she continued it. She was She was actually the patron

(35:51):
of quite a few politicians, eventualState Senator John Hankel. She threw the
first fundraiser introduced him to society.She actually arranged an evening was kind of
interesting where she wanted to have somefun. So she was very close to
Clay Shaw, and so she hadClay Shot come and she invited Jim Garrison
in her house on bel Air Drive. It was it was an interesting experience

(36:15):
for there my dad and my dadgrew up around this and and um,
Ronnie, you had a first story. Yeah, well they didn't go.
Apparently it got it was. Itwas very tense for a couple of minutes
until he was enjoying m Garrison left. I actually found out because Garrison's best
friend was the father of my fatherin law, my wife's grandfather, and

(36:37):
as a needle rafferty and and soapparently this was this didn't cover well,
but it was. But she hadthis because she had to. This was
a problem in New Orleans society atthe time. She had to kind of
create this alternative society because some ofthe places weren't. And my dad was
interesting because he straddled all these differentworlds. I think that was why he
was so sympathetic to a lot ofyoung African American contractors and all this,

(37:00):
because he saw they were kind ofon the outside, kind of getting in
and he was It's strange you don'tthink of my dad as a civil rights
activist because he wasn't on the surface, but below it hit a deep,
deep sensitivity to this sort of thingand yeah, well it's a time for
our cajun joke. Well it's yourtime, your cajun joke, and honor
my father was all right, andthis is an honor of us geriatrics.

(37:21):
I'm seventy two years old. Theolder folks need to be remembered. This
is a story about Boudreau, whowas an old man and his young nephew
was a sheriff down in uh Cocodre, and Boudreau one late one night,
saw found people breaking into his home, two guys. So he called his

(37:43):
nephew. He says, nephew,Thibodeaux. He says, you get your
men over to my house right now. I got two men breaking into my
house and sheriff Thibodeau says, now, Uncle Boodeaux, he says, you
must understand, I have my soop. I must follow procedure. It would
me one hour. You go intoyour room, you lock your door,
and we will see you in anhour. And goes one hour. They

(38:05):
will rob me blind and be goneaway before you get here. He says,
I'm sorry, Uncle Budrow. Procedureis procedure. Well, five minutes,
Lady Boudrow calls me. He says, hey, Thibodeau, don't you
worry about a thing? He said, I don't kill them two men,
and my dogs be chewing on himright now. Five minutes later, a
ladder truck, several squad cars,a squad team, and two ambulances arrive

(38:25):
and they catched the men robbing hishouse. Well, Thibodeau, young Thibodeau
is furious, and he goes tohis uncle and says, Uncle, Budrow,
why are you telling me you killthem two men? And Budrow says,
by the way, Sheriff Thibodeau,why you tell me to take you
a whole hour? Don't mess withus whole folks, will I'll march?

(38:49):
Every time he was you go aheadup during the Vietnam War, and he
went over to Germany instead of goingto the Vietnam. And I don't know
if y'all know this, but aftera while they had quit taking people from
New Orleans into the war because theyfound out that every time they saw her

(39:12):
and screamed get down, everybody fromNew Orleans would stand up and start dan.
I don't to some extent, hearingmy father's experiences, and I warned
people that you know, he hada military intelligence rating and he was.
He actually did this in the war. But he one of the stories I
tell in the obituary was the factthat he was a tank commander. He's

(39:32):
the assistant to the colonel. Hisactual his actual call sign was three Echo
Alpha of the third Army Calvary Regiment, so it means he was the third
He wasn't in command, but hewas, you know, he was the
communication specialist that recording everything in thefield. He said, that was all
that my dad said. All thatmeant was that he died first when the
Soviets came through because he would retypethe orders and they said Third Army Calvey

(39:52):
Regiment would be sacrificed to the Soviets. But there was one there was there
was one night where and I thinkhe might raise from the grave. But
he loved telling the story. Youall heard it. He was on he
pulled guard duty on the West Germanborder and it's two o'clock in the morning,
in the middle of a German winter. It is cold and it is

(40:13):
boring, and he's looking across tocomrade at at the Batch Tower on the
other side of the No Man's Landand comrade is board. They're both sitting
there kind of waving, and sofinally, finally this deer prances into the
no man's land and Comrade kind oflooks down at it, and he starts
pointing, and he takes his helifts his AK forty seven, He looks
at and starts shooting at the deer. Oh, my dad, who's just
bored two sticks sixteen He shoots.Suddenly, all the alarms go off,

(40:35):
people come running. World War threeis starting, and my dad is just
his colonel who's he was this assistant. They krobably got in a little bit
sort of point. It was comradeand comrade you can see his officer pointing
as my dad. So that wasthe day of my dad almost started World
War three. O the way,we don't realize that, but because we
hear so much in Vietnam was terrible. But the guys that were on the

(40:57):
front lines in Europe, they wereliving a very very hard existence because they
all realized any day could be theirlast day. They knew that, they
knew how serious the nuclear threat wasand how tense. I put this in
a joke. My dad's other oneof his jobs when he got sick because
occasionally get the flu. Was thathe had to babysit the nuclear weapons.

(41:19):
He'd sleep next to him in acot and he said, it was the
easiest job you ever had. Butif you really think about that, they
had battlefield nukes for tanks they wereIt was a serious and to the point
of seriousness. My father actually alwayshad a sort of survivor's guild because he
cycles back to New Orleans. Hiscolonel says, please continue, accept the
commission, go sign up for anotherterm, make a career the army.

(41:43):
That his name was Gossling. Theyremained friends for many years. I had
this wonderful letter of recommendation. Heactually we visited him in d C.
He was a major general eventually,but my dad said, now I want
to go home to New Orleans,want to get on with my life.
He ended up going home and servingthe reserves for four years. But he
goes home almost three weeks weeks later, the third Army Calvary Regiment is decamped
no warning. No one knew thiswas happening to Vietnam and ends up participating

(42:07):
in the biggest armor uh the onlyreal armor battle in the enemy's war.
It took something about thirty to fortypercent casualties. Yeah, it was my
dad an Amazon designed for armor.Yeah, my dad was. They was
He said, first that was hisold things. Why whose genius idea was
it to send armor to Vietnam jungles? But the other because they were also

(42:29):
in an air calf unit so theyhad to. But the other part was
that he had so many friends onMy father tried one time. He went
to DC regularly, but he triedone time to go to the wall and
was with him. He couldn't getwithin one hundred yards of it because he
knew so many people in that wall. And it's kind of by the way
we saw the air cav and apocalypsenow with the colonel who um daval?

(42:51):
Who would who love the smell ofnapalm in the morning? Remember that?
Yeah, we're almost out of time, guys. Any final stories for our
three guests, talk about David Borden, Ted Moore, We got doctor Maurice
Viillery, Doctor Ron Currier and AlanMalone. Any final stories you want to
add before we call it a show. Really to the music history is fascinating,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, andhe taught me so much about it.
It was kind of funny. Thelast thing, one of the last

(43:12):
trip I went on with my father. We went from Asheville, North Carolina,
to Memphis and down through the Deltabecause I was leading a tour on
the American music. And what wasinteresting is when he starts talking about the
roots of R and B. Hejust started saying, well, you know
such and such, And he says, well, how do you know that?
Well? I knew him, Iknew facts. I knew this.
It was he ended up giving thetour. So it's kind of funny,

(43:32):
he Christopher, you know, weh just this is something you didn't know
yet. I guess this is oneof the Christmas parties we had, remembering
your mother. Father would come,we'd have a great time and they'd dance
and singing. We'd all dance andsing. And when it was over he
was leaving, he got me onthe side and said, Hi, I
need to tell you something, andhe gave me the most wonderful tribute about

(43:53):
you and how important you were inhis life and how I needed to understand
what a really truly great guy you. My dad lied really well, but
I thought she'd want to know thatI really means, yeah, it's hard
losing someone and I'll tell you.I'll tell you my dad died eighty one.
He was never a terribly religious man. You knew that he was a
believer, but he was he neverhe never understood that God taking attendance in

(44:15):
church, so he was he kindof accept On his death bed, we
actually he's not Catholic. He wasactually Methodist. But we had a priest
come in and give him the lastrites, which he said he didn't want.
It's interesting that right before he closedhis eyes for the last time,
he said, I see a wholebunch of children around the bed, and
he's like, he's got him outof here. And then about five minutes
later he says, I see angelsaround me. Oh my goodness, And

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that was almost one of the lastthings the Bible says, suffer the little
children to come to me for ofsuch as a kingdom of God. I
think he was looking right to heaven, I really hope. So I'm a
folk, so I'm a preachers.Many of you know, it's pretty much
all of us know. So boyNaco, gentlemen, I want to thank
you for this wonderful tribute of myfather. David Borden, Ted Moore,
your three oldest friends. He lovedyou all so very much. Doctor Maurice

(45:00):
Billery, doctor Ronald Curry or alamalone. Thank you all for joining us.
You appreciate certainly enjoined. Thanks alot. It was a pleasure of
being head. It's great. It'salways a place. Yeah. Okay,
YouTube men, this first time mentionedpleasure meeting. You got take care and
folks will be back with the patrioticand spiritual women after these important messages.
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Flores dot com for more information.Well, folks, this Chaplinhei mckinry,
and it's not a time for usto go into our chaplain by ba patriotic
Maho. Just take a brief momentto remind you of the biblical foundations of
our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And today we want to talk about
none other than John Hancock. You'veheard about right, putting you John Hancock

(46:52):
down, Well, John Hancock wasthe president of the Continental Congress that wrote
the Decorage of Independence, and whenhe signed he made it big because he
said he wanted to make sure KingGeorge knew him. He was not hiding.
I'm bringing him, I'm using himbecause he was a very successful businessman,
much like our honor Reboarding Ted Moore, David Borden Ted Moore, and

(47:14):
he was a remarkable man. Heended up losing just about everything he had
during that conflict. By the way, that was a kind of sacrifice of
finding fathers mate. But this iswhat he said, we recognize no sovereign
but God, and no king butJesus. Folks, I think John Hancock
want to make sure we remembered Godin government. What about you? Are

(47:35):
you remembering God in your own life? Well, if you're not, I'm
gonna show how you can do it. Right now, you know, it
appears really knew the Lord. Hewas kind of quiet and about it,
but that's okay. Some people keepthat as a very quiet private thing,
and that's okay. But in theend we can see he demonstrated clearly that
he was going to heaven. Thatman he knew the Lord. Are you

(47:59):
going to heaven. We certainly hopeyou are. And this is how you
can know that you are. Youcan know that, you know that,
you know you're guaranteed heaven and you'resaved from hell. You know. God
knew you would never be good enough, smart enough, righteous enough, wholly
enough, religious enough, smart enough, rich enough, cool enough, beautiful

(48:19):
or handsome enough, or whatever yourthing is. He knew you'd never be
able to do it. He knewyou could never measure up to his righteousness.
So he came up with a plan. He decided he would do it
for you. He would provide hisrighteousness for you. And it kind of
goes like this. The Bible says, he knew no sin. Now that's
talking about the Lord Jesus Christ.He that knew no sin, was made

(48:40):
sin. He was turned into yoursin, musin the sins of the whole
world, all of our sins fromthe day were born and the day we
die, our tiniest to our greatestsins. He was turned into our sin,
made sin. If that didn't getan up close and personal with us,
I don't know what is. Ifthat's not doing a complete job,
I don't know what is. Hewas made to sin, that you might
be made the righteousness of God inhim in where he takes all your bad

(49:06):
so he can give you all hisgood. Folks, you can't get a
better deal than that. Now that'sthey're waiting for you. But remember this
is all from God's love. God'sall about love. And remember love requires
free will. Love is a twoways free. It can't just be one
way. It's got to be bothpeople, both entities, partan in participation,

(49:27):
working together, participating together. Ifit's going to be real love.
So God's already love does He's doneeverything it takes. We just gotta love
him back. He tells us howwe love him back. Believe on the
Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shaltbe saved, he says, for God's
love the world. That's you,that's everybody. That he gave his only
begotten son. That's the Lord JesusChrist, perfect God, perfect man,

(49:47):
all the way God and all theway man. He gave his only begotten
son. That whosoever believeth in him. Believe what believe. First, you
can't save yourself, that's repentance,and then believe that only he can,
that he did, and that hewill save from Bernie hill and guarantee you
heaven because He died for all ofyour sins on the cross, was buried,
and rose from the dead to winfor you his precious free gift of

(50:09):
resurrection, everlasting life. If you'venever done this before, do it now.
Don't wait till it's too late.Believe right now with all your heart.
That means you're not trust anything elsebecause you're repented. You said I
can do it, and now theonly thing is left is Jesus. So
that means with all your heart youbelieve it in him. That believe with
all your heart that he really diddie for all your sins, and he

(50:30):
did, and then that he rosefrom the dead, and that his blood
has washed away all your dirty,rotten sins. It really has, folks.
So take that free gift. Takeit now. By just believing,
with the faith of a little child, you can do it. Do it
now, well, folks. Wherenow it's not time for us to going
up chaplain by bab watchman on thewall. Where we just take a brief
moment to show you how you canunderstand the times. It's time to understand

(50:53):
the times, folks. The timesare getting hot. You know, I
just came from seeing the Noah's Arkup in Kentucky. It's an exact replica.
It's stunning. It is one ofthe most amazing experiences I've ever seen.
The crowds are huge. Seven daysa week, I mean, it's
absolutely phenomenal. The only time they'reclosed is on Sunday mornings, so people

(51:15):
and go to church. Other thanthat, they're open twenty four seven.
I mean, you know, everyseven days a week for all year long.
Folks. It's an experience. Butit gave me a chance to see
what the days of Noah were like, very up close and personal, because
it's all you know, they're actorsand it's is every kind of visual and

(51:37):
you know, emotional thing you canimagine that it's going into this production to
make sure you understand what it waslike back then and how God brought the
animals to the arc the whole.The scientists behind this thing are some of
the finest and greatest scientists in theworld. This is as as great a
replica of it of the Arc youcould ever get, big old giant timbers,

(51:58):
everything, folks. It's absolutely stunning. They even go to the engineering
how Noah could have they had theengineering at that time everything, and so
one of the things that comes upreally really clear is during the days of
Noah there was great violence everywhere,enormous violence. Everybody's always fighting, and
you know, don't we see thattoday? Folks, look at the violence

(52:19):
in our world today. Wherever yougo in the world, the world today
is filled with violence, maybe themost violence the world's ever seen. So,
folks, we're getting close. Jesussaid, we can see all these
things happening. I'm at the door. They're all happening. All the signs,
the two hundred plus prophecies are allunfolding. MANI them have already happened.
But now that the few that areleft are all unfolding right in front

(52:40):
of us right now. So,folks, that means Jesus at the door,
are you ready? You need yourown arc. I'm gonna give you
the name of the arc you cango to hit. The name is the
Lord Jesus Christ. Go to thatarc. He's the greatest arc you can
ever get. He'll protect you fromthe floods of destruction that are coming.
Trusting him right now, believe thathe died for all your sends and rose
from the dead and you are safewell, Thanks you very much. It's

(53:04):
time for us to go now,as we closed with him on Saint Martin
singing a creole goodbye and God blessall out there. Does this have to
be at the end of the night. No, I love you. In
the paymal Land, I can seeacross the million stars when I looking,

(53:36):
we can Basey. It's the songof time. I suppose you can call
it a crap if we take justatt along good to see our good