The Founders Show #483

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Episode Transcript

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Bidet holes and politicians addressed a digit. Dators and magicians first to see the
money, then you don't, there'snothing to feel the holes while then fill
in their pockets bide holes. Thepolitician is bouncing down the road. Everybody'suition

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to know more corruption and dysfunction.It's gonna take divine intervention. We are
less than two weeks away from earlyvoting beginning and the governor's race and all
the down ticket races, and everyonesort of has a blaw attitude because they
believe that it's going to be arunoff between Jeff Landry and Sean Wilson.

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But what if there's a dark horsecandidate where we're gonna be joined by the
dark horse candidate whose polls seem toindicate he may have a shot at a
runoff against Jeff Landry and potentially becomethe next governor of Louisiana. Hunter Lundy
is joining us here on the Founder'sShow, And God bless all out there.
You are now listening to the founders. So the voice of the founding

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fathers, your founding fathers, comingto you deep within the bowels of those
mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of thebig Easy that old Crescent City, New
Orleans, Louisiana, and high upon top of that old Liberty Cypress tree
way out on the Eagles Branch.This is none other than you're Spingary Baba
of the Republic Chaplain, Hi mcgenry, who with Christopher Tidmore, you're roving

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reporter, resident radical moderate and associateeditor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana
Weekly dot net. And Hi,we have, as we teased in the
opening, a gubnaturtial candidate. Andif I'm reading the tracking, the official
tracking polls, really well, he'sbeen shooting up through the polls someone unexpectedly.
You know that the most recent WWLpole essentially is giving him most of

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the independents that have been coming outin this race. And he hasn't an
unusual political profile that I think youmight find interesting as a minister who's worked
with inner city African American kids foryears, has always been kind of populous,
but at the same time as ardentlypro life, as a pro life
activist, and he has been socialconservative. And his name is Hunter Lundi.

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And if you watched the debate thathappened on WWL Television and the other
TVs stations around the state. Yousaw that pretty much the two most articulate
voices. Where he and Sean Wilson, regardless where your ideologies are the ones
who ran the debate according to allthe exit polls. And we're joining Hunter
Lundie, of course, isn't wellknown attorney out of the Lake Charles area.

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He has been a player in Louisianapolitics for many years, but he
when he decided to run for office, he decided to run for what he
is, which is a registered independent, not a member of either political party.
And I gotta say, I gottait meant like many others, I
didn't give him a whole lot ofchances, but I've been watching what's been
happening in the polls and Hunter Lundywell, come to the Founder Show with

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him. Mckenry and Christopher Tidmore.Thank you for joining us today. Welcome
Hunter, Welcome, Thank y' allfor having me. I really appreciate it
and just welcome a good discussion.Oh well, by all means we're gonna
have you on, and thank youfor joining us from the road. That's
what people are hearing, and they'rehearing under in the background, and in
our four airings of this program overthe week, I gotta says, we're
coming into this. I'm seeing someinteresting things. You started off this race

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doing what you once told me,which you told me not so long ago,
was the moneyball approach to politics.You put focused radio ads on religious
and talk radio. You're a wellknown figure in the social conservative and also
Pentecostal communities. You are important andChristian. We'll talk about your faith a
bit about that, because then it'sgoing to be important high as well as

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was me. Are you also aminister, Hunter, Well, I was
ordained a number of years ago thechurch in Missouri. Okay, you know
I've performed many marriages and I've beena relief picture for a few pastors over
the years. Well, good,I guess the answer is, yeah,
that's great. I'm full time inthe ministry myself. Yeah, I love
it. I love it, andthat's sort of forget it. So you

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approached this from away, Hunter Lundy, that was from typical political calculations,
unusual where on the one hand,you are very thoughtful social conservative, you're
very ardently pro life, You're verymuch on the Christian mission, On the
other hand, you're extremely outspoken onenvironmental issues. You're very pro education,

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including the education of prisoners in jail. You've talked about investing more in early
childhood education, teacher pay, You'vetalked a lot about our community college system.
And essentially, if you take awaythe social conservative message, you're talking
a message that many Democrat, thatappeals to many Democrats and younger independence.
And I was wondering if this wouldcome through, but it seems to be.

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If. I don't know what yourinternal polls are saying, but I
know what I'm seeing from some ofthe official polls, and you've not only
gone from fifth to third place,you are some where in the teens and
seem to be rising. And Ipoint out the fact that Sean Wilson is
in the low twenties. There isa pathway for you to make a runoff.

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How do how do people place youideologically? Since you're kind of on
the social conservative side that usually thoughtas a Republicans, but you're very much
on the progressive side when it comesto quality of life issues, which is
typically thought of as a democratic position. I tell people I have you know,
I have a biblical worldview and soyou know, and when you're a

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believer, you're you know, youlisten to everybody. You you uh,
you know you loved everybody. Youknow, grace precedes truth and the word.
When people know you have grace,that means you're not judging them,
you love them. Now you speaktruth, and speaking truth sometimes offends people
because they disagree with you. ButI mean, I have a voice for

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everybody, and I will listen toeverybody. And and I've told people all
along, everybody gets a seat atthe table when I'm the governor. And
so we're gonna move the state forward. I'm not beholding to any political party.
I'm not you know, I'm notin bondage to any pack or anything
else. And so I'm here forthe people. And so I remind people

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that you and Lundy stands for you. Don't confuse it with an A.
And so that's kind of who Iam. And so I just you know,
you heard me say I love God, love people. Try to live
it out. And you know,in twenty twenty one, when I knew
I was going to leave the practiceof law, and I just said,
tell people, I'm leaving the courthouseand I'm going to the capital. And

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so we have a lot of issues, a lot of things that we can
improve on in Louisiana. But I'vesaid from day one that that education,
poverty, and crime are linked.You know, nobody wants to talk about
poverty. Come on now, we'renumber two in the nation and poverty.
Yeah, And so that's a decision. You know, we know there'll always
be poor in this world, andwe help those people. But poverty is

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a decision. And I've made adecision. We're going to get out of
it. And when we get outof it, you know, the economy
will grow receive us differently. Sowe're going to get rid of blight.
And you know, we're going touse education as a method we will will
reduce incarceration. And so you know, I've learned that when when people have

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a job and they have a placeto live, they won't go back to
prison. In your in your andmister Lundi and your in your TV debate,
you brought up the fact that yousaid that most prisoners do not even
read at a fourth grade level,and you basically said something along the lines
of tough on crime, but toughon the causes of crime. That people
can't read they're going to be backin prison. Is it kind of shocks

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some people because they were like,well, we've never thought about really educating
our prisoners. Is that feasible?And do other states do it? Is?
Is there a way out of this? Absolutely? Unfortunately, we have
one of the largest incarceration rates inthe nation and we have the longest sentencing
of people in the nation. Andso I've told the Sheriff's Association, I'm

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for allocating more money to the individualparish jails so that they can have the
same benefits that we're having in theDepartment of Correction jails. That is,
we can bring healthcare to them,we can have mental health care to them,
we can bring the faith community tothem. And yes, the faith
community is probably ahead of the otherissues now because we do have prison ministries,

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and I mean I've done it before, I knowd it. We got
to have education. We want themcoming out of you know. And I
live in Chelkshoe Parish or East BatonRouge Parish, and I know shaf Gotro,
I said, go tro has donea lot of good things, and
so we we've got to get themand reach them right there. And so
it comes down to allocation of money. So I'll be a proponent to send

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more money to the local jails sothat they can get the benefits of the
Department of Corrections and we can getpeople out of them. In a lot
of Hunter and Hunter Lundy and Igot to say that that's a key to
it because in a lot of ways, one of the challenges that we face
is that sheriff's well, there's afinancial incentive for a lot of sheriffs to

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basically keep people in prison. Theymake money on it. And so I'm
not putting down sheriffs. It's beensort of this that you're not going to
deal with the incarceration at Louisiana unlessthe sheriffs really have bought into this idea.
Well, I mean they we discussedit, and they asked me my
opinion on it. They asked meif I would support more money. Yes,
I'll support more money, but they'regoing to have to agree to the

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programs, and because we want toget these people out and we want them
to the productive citizens. You know, people make a mistake and why did
they go to a local jail andstay for five years because their family can
have access to them quicker than theycan to another location, and so we're
gonna give it. We're gonna giveit. One of the things, there
was one statistic Hunter Lundy that totallyshocked me, and I shared it with

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you privately, but it was itwas very recently the head of Odyssey House
ed Carlson, who's actually himself runningfor office. He said, you know,
I don't know if you realize this, but drug treatment programs that are
compulsory, in other words, thejudge says, if you don't want to
spend the rest of your life inprison, you we're going to sentence you
to jug treatment have almost the samelevels of success rates as voluntary drug treatment

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programs, which I wouldn't have believed. I would have said, that's counterintuitive,
but he showed me the stats.And then I asked the next invidable
question, how many judges and howmany sheriffs are using compulsory drug treatments since
we know most of our prisoners havedrug problems, And the answer was,
well, congratulations, except for afew drug courts and a few diversionary programs,
less than three percent. And suddenlyI was saying, wait, this

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is kind of an obvious one,and yet nobody seems to do it.
Hunter, you're familiar with what's goingon at Angola with the Baptist Bible College
and seminary being there. I'm familiarwith it to Angola just a few months
ago. Yeah, so's there.I've been been supporting that since it started.
It's a miracle story. Warden Kine, you know, saw the value

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of it and let let him havea place. And the thing is explain,
the results are astounding. Ms.We've got to allocate the money for
it, and we got to havingit compulsory. You know, we had
a we had a judge and atLate Charles years ago, who he made
national news because he he sentenced peopleto drug treatment. He sent us them
to church, and he sent ucedthem to just doing the very thing you're

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saying. And he had a greatresult, and of course it went all
the way United State Supreme Court.I think he won and I'm pretty sure
so it was. It was permittedand so we just need to be active
in that and do more of that, and we need to provide the funding
for that. You know, Igo back to our previous governor who I
thought really hurt and I'm not talkingabout John Bell. I'm talking about Bobby

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Jendall when he got rid of theWraparound program that was helping people. And
it's really I use Volunteers of Americanexample, where they're trying to teach people
of independently. Uh. Some ofthose people where people that would be incarcerated,
but they go into this program andthey're getting mental health, they're getting
physical health treatment, they're getting education, they're doing everything to where they can

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live independently. Mental health is abig issue, gentlemen, and so and
I remind people when you go lookat Webster's mental health is nothing more than
extreme anxiety, extreme depression. Andyes we put PDSD in there today too.
These are some issues in society thatwe have to deal with. And
I mean COVID accelerated it and someof the other things have accelerated it.

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So that's a real important issue andwe have to deal with that. So
when we have somebody incarcerated, wewant we want them to have every bit
of counseling they can have in themental health area and the physical health area.
We want them to be you havethe faith community reaching out to them
and at the same time we wanteducational community. But if they don't have

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a ged. Maybe they get aged before they get out in jail.
Maybe they get a trade, theylearn a trade. We know. I
mean you talked about a Goolda theygot a trade school and gold, right,
I mean we you know, somebodycan get out of there and they
can have a skill for HVAC orcarpentry or plumbing or electrician and just you
know, those jobs are good jobsin Louisiana, right, you know.

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I mean I'm a higher education guy, don't get me wrong. Yeah,
you know, we talked about highereducation last night at LSU for them.
But I mean, eighty percent ofthe jobs in Louisiana do not require a
college degree, right, And sowe can't lose sight of that, and
we can use our prisons to helpget people trained. Yeah, and I'm
gonna tell you what. People thatget a skill and a trade, many

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of those people go on to havegreater incomes and people that end up with
you know, college educations because theyhave Yeah. I mean, I know,
mechanics that make a fortune. Theyserve as machanguy, they buy their
own little shop or gas station,and before you know it, they're making
a ton of money. You don'thave to have a college degree to be
successful. That's been proven over andwhat you needed so some type of skills,

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something that and you know who sawthat book or t Washington, and
he based the Tuskegee Institute on that, first of all, providing trades and
skills that his people could have sothen they can go out and make a
living. What good did Greek dothem? They wanted to learn Greek.
They thought learning Greek was gonna makethem so important. It did nothing for
him. So so he and heset that trade, I really and he

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still had great educators. He hadBooker t I mean, he had George
Washington Carver, one of the greatestscientists at the time, and so he
wasn't against a higher education, buthe realized for pragmatic purposes. And I
think that's true today, and it'strue for everybody, not just one group
of people. I know many,many people that you know of every kind
of ethnicity, and they're really betteroff getting a trade or a skill.

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They're gonna have a better life,better career, better everything. They're wasting
their time in college. Well,and I can tell you I have I
literally have a friend who had aplumber come into his house, and this
is in the plumber looked around andhaving some problem with the toiler was running,
and the plumber reaches around and pressesa button and everything's fixed. And
he says, well, that'll beone hundred and twenty five dollars. And

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my friend, who's an attorney,he says, I don't make one hundred
and twenty five dollars, and I'ma lawyer. And the plumber looked at
him and said, well, whenI was a lawyer, sir, I
didn't either, you know. ButBen Hunter Lundy, candidate for governor,
is joining us for the hour.We're talking about his pregnant, his ideas
that are a little ladies and gentlemen, sort of a fusion candidacy of some

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of the best ideas on the leftand the right, and it seems to
be having a political residence. He'sraised into a very strong third place in
the polls. He's within striking distanceif if any of the tracking polls are
us of the number two position.Everybody's talking about Sean Wilson, who had
a very good debate with W.W. L Els, but he there
may be a shot of getting arun off with Jeff Landry we're gonna talk
a little bit about that politics,but I want to ask you before we

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leave the issue of funding education.You've got we want to talk about teacher
pay, but funding education in prisonsis not something that historically the Louisiana legislature
has wanted to put up money for. They're willing to put up prison money
because the sheriffs are very happy gettinganother thirty five dollars or fifty dollars a
day, and their constituents are whenyou've gone to them before, I mean

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you, in the general sense,when people of lobby the legislature and said,
look, we can reduce recidivism andcrime by making sure these guys can
read, by making sure these guyshave drug treatment, most legislators just sort
of yawned and they say, well, none of my people, none of
my voters are going to care aboutthat. It's they're just gonna make me
look weak on crime, not strongon crime. How do you deal with
that in that kind of reaction.Yeah, Well, I've dealt with the

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message, and I think it's resonatingand people understand. I said, education,
poverty, and crime are all entwined, They're all connected, and education
is the answer, and we can. And if we reduce poverty and we
reduce crime, we grow the economy. Right, you know, we're not

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going to grow the economy as longas we're number two in the nation and
poverty. So we reach out andwe start our children young, and we
get them to read and write.And so you've heard me say before,
if you're not reading by the timeyou're third fourth grade, or you're in
a pipeline to prison, we don'twant them there. And so we're going
to educate them and then they're goingto have an opportunity. Nowadays, you

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can get out of high school andyou can have a Microsoft certificate, or
you can have a Google certificate,or you can even have a trade coming
right out of high school. Youdon't have to go to college. But
I mean, it's great that ourhigh schools are now partnering with our colleges
and so some of them are startingcollege courses when they're juniors in high school.

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Those are all good things. Butback to what you said earlier about
the job of a plumber, eightypercent of our jobs do not require a
college education. And so and youknow, we talked about the outward migration
from Louisiana. Well, the outwardmigration and Louisiana today is because of lower

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middle income Clacks and middle income classpeople. You know, Louisiana, the
fifty one percent of our people,married couples with children make sixty six thousand
dollars on what less combined income.And so when you factor it, you
factor in the cost of insurance,automobile insurance, homeowners insurance, property and

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casually home a flood, and youlook at the cost of food, childcare,
that can't really afford childcare, thatyou can't pay your bills, You
can't pay a house, No,you can't pay a car. Note I
saw, in fact, let mesay, I saw a very frightening statistic
that kind of brought this alive.Hunter Lundy it was. It said,
the average income in Louisiana thirty yearsago for a combined couple with sixty five

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thousand dollars the average combined income inLouisiana for a couple of sixty nine thousand
dollars today thirty years later. Thehouse the average the average cost of a
house thirty years ago was one hundredand twenty five thousand dollars. The average
cost of a house in Louisiana todayis two hundred and ninety thousand dollars.
Well, right, if that's here, we're reading the same thing. There's

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twenty one percent of the people inLouisiana that live below the federal poverty level
twenty one percent level, and thenthat levels about twenty seven to twenty nine
thousand dollars a year. And soso what are we gonna do. Are
we're gonna sit back and talk aboutit. Are we're going to act on?
And I'm gonna act. I thinkwe can create laws that we can

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clean up blight in Louisiana. Youknow, we can expedite redemption properties,
adjudicated properties. We can have investors, we can have a private public partnerships.
We can use our trade schools,we can use our high school graduates,
and then we can in the faithcommunity can be involved to we can
build affordable housing, and we cando it using our trades people making a

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living cleaning up blight. And youhave investors from the various communities, and
there's also grant money, there's mainstreet money that can help. There's certain
towns in the state Louisiana that havealready started their transformation. We can do
that. And when you do that, most of your drug dealing in your
crime coverage takes place in blighted communitiesand poverty communities. So that's why I've

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said it's all linked. And soeducation has to be a priority, funded
it from three years old on hasto be a priority. And these single
moms need help. And we're goingto raise the minimum wage. You know,
I go back to what New Yorkdid. We talked about this,
I think the other day that itwas called the window breaker policy. They
got rid of. They were numberone in the crime in the nation.

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They went in and they went afterthe window breakers, the young criminals,
and they got them in time sothey could rehabilitate them so they wouldn't be
hardened criminals, and they got themoff the street. They raised the minimum
wage. And raising the minimum wageis just about giving hope. I mean,
I told an audience earlier today thatyou know, effectively the minimum wage

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is already much higher than that.You know, one of the young men
who's working on the campaign, hisyounger brother got a job in Taco bell
starting off at fourteen dollars an hour. We just need to give people hope.
Hope is a decision. It's nota feeling. So we need to
have a decision of hope, andwe need to go ahead and move that
number. And it changes in thatmom who has to have two jobs,

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she won't be trying to make seventwenty five n twice in a day.
She'll make eleven dollars. Still that'snot enough money. She'll make a lot
more. And I say eleven.Maybe the legislature thinks it needs to be
ten, but it needs to beraised. And so I'll be a proponent
of raising the minimum wage. I'llbe a proponent of introducing legislation so we

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can get rid of blight and poverishedareas adjudicated properties in a quick fashion,
so that we can go in andbuild on it, so we can develop
on it, we can give peoplejobs. So I will be that,
I will be a proponent of fundingchildhood education store at three years of age.
And let's let's let's talk about that. You endorsed renewing the sales tax,

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very vocally, the four point pointfour five percent sales tax for early
childhood education and particularly for teacher pay, and that was a bit of a
controversial stand on that panel. Alot of the others didn't. Do you
think that would Do you think thatwill affect some of the support of potential
conservative Georgier campaign? Well, Idon't know. I mean it depends on,

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you know, what they want toaccomplish. You know, we pay
our teachers. I mean my numberwas thirty fifth. They corrected me the
other day. We're forty third inthe nation and paying our teachers. You
know, we're forty eighth and payingour policeman. We're dead last and paying
our fireman. I've said all along, until we do that, do we
take care of the people that takecare of us, and we're not going
to move forward, right, Sowe need to pay our teachers. And

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I looked at what Governor Huckaby didin Arkansas. You know, we need
to start them in the fifties.We need to start them as high as
we can possibly start, and thenwe need to have maybe performance increases.
Uh maybe that's the debt that weforgive of a of a teacher's debt.
That would be one. I wouldpropone it that way they effectively get a
raise, because I mean, Imean, I'll go back to Governor General.

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He took money away from our ulsystem and you know, they're effectively
private schools now they're tuition driven insteadof states supported, and so we need
to And when I say general,I mean you know, I'm referring to
his chief of staff too in thisrace running, and he was part of
that administration. And so the fellow, your fellow, your fellow outsider,

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Steve Wagonsback, that's right, theonly outsider in the race where you're talking
to the outsider. Yeah, I'man out I'm an outsider who has insider
insight. Well you know that's thefact, because of mine, because of
mine. All right, Well,und under Lundy candidate for governor. We're
gonna have to take a quick commercialbreak in a second. We'll come back.
But how you had a statement beforewinning, Hunter, I'm on the

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Border Noodle's Mission, and I didfor years. I've been tied into the
mission, and for fifteen years Idid addiction counseling, and I've had a
great jail ministry. So I'm veryclose to all this. And plus my
inner city kids, you know,they're many times call them the future criminals
of America. Not so much theones we have right now, but most
of the ones from the past andaffect most of my kids fathers were at

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Angola, and so I understand thiswhole thing very well. One thing I
learned is that when you're dealing withaddiction situations, a spiritual program has been
proven, beyond the shadow of adoubt, to be over ten times as
effective as any as a psychological program, let's say ten times as effective.
So much so that like in Mandeville, they used to take all the people

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in Mandeville their addiction problems and theybring them over to an AA meeting because
it radically improved their results. Itwasn't working with you the state hospital.
They were using a secular approach.So how what is your plan on that
for bringing that concept into government wherewe really do need faith based operations because

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of the enormous success it brings.Well, you know, I heard an
interview of a guy that I'm knownfor years that somebody interviewed him and said,
what is what is a hundred Lundygoing to do that's going to be
different than than anybody else? Andhe said, well, he's not going
to make them go to prison beforethey hear about God. Great, they're

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gonna hear about God. And soyou saw, I helped start an organization
called the National Association of Christian Lawmakers. I mean Senator Jason Rapert from Arkansas
did it, and I was.I came alongside him with some others,
and they've come up with legislation that'sthat's very helpful. One of them as
they put in God we trust inevery public building, public school in the

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weeks, I mean, and theydid it in Arkansas, and then we
took that model legislation now we gotit happened in Louisiana, and so I
was behind the scenes in that,and we want to see that all over.
You know, we're uh, youknow, I don't know if you
want to call us a nation foundedupon Christian principles founded upon Judaeo Christian principles.

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I think it's both. And soanyway, that's that's who we are,
and that's what history shows it is. And and I'm not for any
distortion of truth or history. Andso I've you know, and so that's
kind of that's who I am.Well I know it will make a difference.
So and I want to put Godback into schools. And we we

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reinstate and I mean you probably knowjust like I do. We'ven't misinterpreted the
separation of church and state since dayone. You know, they took the
letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to theto the Baptist Church back in whatever it
eight. It's a Baptist convention ofDansbury, Connecticut when he was a president,
very Connecticut Baptist convention, and theymisinterpreted it, right, So I

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mean violated juris prison all over theplace, that's right. We became a
nation because the people in Europe didnot want the government telling them how to
worship. And I want to andI want to Troy to worship. So
we became a nation because they cameover here to be all right, gentlemen,

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hold that thought. I'm gonna addressit when we come back from the
break. We're joined by a goodnatorial candidate, Hunter Lundy, Johny,
McHenry, and Tidmore here on theFounder Show. We'll be back after these
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always Christopher and I work. It'sso very hard to bring you the truth,
the whole truth, and another butthe truth. So help us God.
And that's from a quote of anoath that our political leaders take given
to us originally by George Washington,who said, and so help me God.

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It wasn't in the original oath.I think our finding fathers wanted to
keep God in government. And bythe way, at the end of the
show you'll hear my usual history lessonon that very thing. The biblical foundations
of America are Judeo Christian jurisprudence,and Hunter, welcome to the show again,
and Hunter Lundy. When we wentinto the break, you were raising
you were very as high biblical focusedapproach towards government at the same time.

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And I've watched this effect with people. You'll talk about education, healthcare issues,
and particularly higher education. You talkabout a lot of the issues,
and I'll see Democrats nodding and nodding, and you start talking about faith and
you start talking about your pro lifebeliefs, and their faces fall and they
get angry, at which point thesocial conservatives, or at least a lot
of the other conservatives who are kindof confused about you are start nodding.

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And it's interesting. You're trying todo something with a faith based position that
is usually associated with the right ofthe Republican Party and economic position I want
to say, the left, butmore in the mainstream of the Democratic Party,
and you're putting those elements together.And here's the question, is it
resonating enough to be able to getpast Sean Wilson and getting a run off

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with Jeff Landry. It's a wholenew game if you're in a run off
with Jeff Landry. But is itAre you able to draw from both parties
and from disaffected independence to be ableto make this happens? You know,
seventeen years ago or however many yearsmaybe twenty years ago and John Georges ran
and uh and ran as an independentand did well, got in the mid

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fifteens, but didn't didn't win therace. The difference between then and today
is that we got eight hundred andsixty thousand independent and no party registrants.
It's the fastest growing registration in Louisiana. So the numbers are there, and
then the numbers of the number ofConservative Democrats that are still there. They're
going to vote for Hunter Lundy,the moderate Republicans and the faith based Republicans

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they're going to vote for hundred Monday. That's why you you asked me about
the Moneyball campaign. That's a moneyballcampaign, you know, and I got
into this race. For those thatdon't know, Moneyball is a movie that
has to do in a book abouta baseball industry where they figured out by
looking at stats you could you couldactually find out what the ellis, the
essence of high performances and maybe itwaste. It's very interesting. Continue I'm

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saying, I'm you know, I'ma I've done a lot of environmental work
over over my career. I meanthe first major case that I had environmentally
was in the and Calcshoe Parrish.I filed what was known as the moss
Field case for a community that hada plum of ethlene doc chloride underneath it.
And it was a battle between twoowners of the plan of the old

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owner and the new owner as whocaused it. But you know they were
sneaking around and getting people off theirwater wells and not telling them why.
And so ethylene dit chloride is thebase chemical for vinyl chloride. I mean,
you know a cup of it pouredinto the supernome would kill everybody in
it. That's how quoting it is. And so so we filed that suit

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and the result of it was almosttwo thousand people got relocated, they got
compensated, And today another company hasgreen belted at all and they're using it
in a positive way. It's beingused productive. There's lots of jobs and
so forth, so industry could dothe right thing. You heard that question
pop up last week, and Ijust said, come on now, you
know you don't compromise the health ofsomebody for a job and so. And

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you know, there's a difference betweena worker in a chemical plant or a
refinery than a neighbor close by,because you have worker protection and they're there
for eight hours. The person livingacross the fence line is living there twenty
four seven. And the children whoare so much more susceptible the disease are

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there across the line. So youknow, you have community action planning groups
that are around. They can goin and they can help resolve these things.
You don't have to have lawyers filelawsuits. You can do it the
way. I mean, yes,it's great rhetoric for campaigns to criticize lawyers
and so, but it's it's it'snot true. And so you do what's

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right now. If somebody sits ontheir hands, like we saw what happened
after these hurricanes and need some ofthese insurance companies had to be sued.
They weren't releasing money, they werelying to be right, I mean,
I have a different theory on howwe're going to collect the insurance. I
mean, correct the insurance problem inLouisiana. I think we can correct it,
but we can do it knowing thetruth. But going back to the
environment, you know, I meanwe need to people need to be treated

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fairly, and you know, wehave to have honesty. We have to
have transparency. I've said over andover again, we'll have total transparency.
You know, we've got a onepoint six BI and not a grant to
make sure broadbands all over the stateLouisiana. So I want people to be
able to go online and look wheredid the money come from, who appropriated

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it, where did it go to, who was the contractor that got the
job, how was it dispersed?You know, I will say, I'll
say the timeline in the timeline,the timeline is kid because I mean,
come on, we got the secondworst roads in the country and we've got
and we've got so much. You'vetalked about infrastructure, and I will say,
you know, somebody asked me aquestion, will conservatives turn away from

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you know, social consers turn awayfrom say a Jeff Landry and vote for
somebody else? And they said,if somebody's activist economically, and my response
was, I don't know anybody whoreally likes an insurance company right now.
I don't know anybody who's really enthusiastic. The question is whether or not you
can draw enough from both sides,because I've heard the other side you're very
articulately pro life. We both satin a meeting that's off the record where

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the person was liked you and sortof does like you, but was when
they heard how pro life you were, they were kind of turned off.
It's a it's a balancing act,and that's what I'm curious if it can
break through because you pointed out,you know, it's not like we're going
to elect a pro choice governor herein Louisiana. So for Democrats you come
in as an option. But I'mcurious, we're almost out of time Hunter

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Lundy were coming into it. Whatis the issue that people should be talking
about that we're not talking about inthis race. Everybody's talking about Jeff Landry
not showing up to a debate,everybody's talking about this or that, but
there's not a lot of enthusiasm forthis race. What should the thing that
we're talking about that we should betalking about that we're not well economic growth

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through you know, doing making theright decisions. I mean, we need
to. You know, we're astate that has common sense, that generally
has a moral compass. But youknow, we've made some poor choices over
the years. You know, welost a congressional district in nineteen nineties.
It wasn't long after the watery waspassed. We lost another congressional district in

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twenty ten. And so why arewe losing people? We've invested so much
of our time and effort and moneyon the service industry. And yes,
I'm for hotels, and I wasnot for casinos. I was not for
gambling, but it's here. Itneeds to be regulated. But those jobs
do not pay the same thing thatjobs are that are connected with the waterways,

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the ports, the LG, thepetrochemical industry, and yes, the
clean energy that we're now going toinvest in. We can double track this
thing. So, I mean youtalked to you, Yeah, you talked
to a little bit about what's goingon with methanol right now, that's correct.
So we're gonna build meth We're gonnabuild methanol plants. Really, they're

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green hydrogen plants and they'll they'll producemethanol and it'll be shipped all over the
world. So we have some economicopportunities that are really going to happen.
I have a relationship with leadership inIsrael too. I think we can we
can have a partnership with Israel foreconomic growth here in Louisiana. And so
I can go on. I mean, I'm not gonna uh you know,

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I'm I'm the I'll be the governorand I will govern. I won't try
to rule. I don't want tobe crowned. I just want to be
elected. And so unlike some ofmy opponents. And so when people know
what my heart is and they knowthat I care about people, and then
I don't need a job. Idon't need any money, I don't need
a title, I don't need anyof those things. I just think God's

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put me in this position at theend time to make a difference. And
so I'm going out of this thisworld with boots on the ground. And
so you know we're gonna call We'recalled to make a difference, called to
make a people, to help people, and so we will and I think
it'll it'll have a positive effect,and so it'll have a positive effect.
And I'm not I'm not being purchased. You know. I've invested a lot

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of my own money. I've putit on the line because I believe in
this state and I believe in thepeople. And so I'm not a guy
that's running around being, uh,you know, anointed by some pack with
millions of dollars after they've made dealsand medicaid suits. Now I just read
this and I couldn't believe it thatjust came out. I mean, come

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on, as soon as in Louisiananeed to wake up and so we need
to do the right thing. Andso, uh, that's well, that's
just I just I just feel likethat, uh, I can help and
if God allows me to be thegovernor, I will be the best that
we I've ever had, nobody has. Well, my father put that he

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put a work ethic in all ofhis four children. Right. Yeah,
So well, candidate candidate for GovernorHunter Lundy, you're in third place right
now. I'm seeing some polls that'sputting you in the upper teams and you
need to get about five to sixpercent more of the vote of either Democrats
away from Sean Wilson, particularly AfricanAmerican Democrats, many of them devout Christians,
or you need to get social conservativesaway from Jeff Landry and Hi,

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that's one of the questions. Willyour fellow social conservatives who are died in
the wild Republicans be willing to supportsomebody who's got a Christian heart a Christian
message, but at the same time, is not you know, on the
sort of trump a right right now? Would they? No? I mean
just I'll just close this by this. I've negotiated ten dollars deals and I'm

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negotiated ten billion dollar deals. Youknow. My end time project in the
law was I was one of sixlawyers appointed by the federal judge in California
to pro secute a manufacturing company thatdidn't warn people that round up would give
them non Hodgkins lymphoma. Wow.So after three trials they settled with all
other leadership. We had cases inCalifornia, cases in Missouri, and so

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that was my end time project.So I have the skills that can benefit
this state. You know, God'sgiven me some talents and I hope that
he allows me to use them tohelp people in four or five years from
now. We look back and wesay poverty is down, We're not longer
longer the number two states. Educationis up, our economy is up,

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and so things are changed. Andso that's kind of what I hope and
you know, and we'll have severalfortune five hundred companies in the state Louisiana
at that time. So, Hunter, you were a plantiffs attorney, and
I've known a lot of planets attorneyattorneys and they're very necessary. Like what
you just did, one last littlelet me interrupt you. I was in

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a advocate for many I was amaritime defense lawyer. Really, yeah,
John, I've adicated for many people. I'm just an advocate. Yeah,
okay, yes, I'll probably wasbetter known was a plain of lawyer.
But one of my favorite cousins anduncles was from Lake Charles. And I'll
spend a lot of time. Ilove like Charles. I know you from

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like Charles. Did you know doctorKelly Griffith from like, Oh, come
on, we'll talk later ent ourtime right now. That's great? Also,
okay, Christopher's uh why his motherwas from like Charleston, right down
the street from uncle Kelly. Ohthe far family. But on that note,
Hunter Lundy candet for governor. Weshould the best luck. If somebody
wants to find out more about yourcampaign as we are two weeks away from

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early voting, how would they doit? Hunter Lundy for Governor, Lundy
for Louisiana dot com, info dotLundy for Louisiana dot com. You can
look me up, you can followme on social media, you can give
online anything you want to do.You were welcome to read our website right
Lundy for Louisiana dot com and followus. And then I want your vote

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on October fourteenth or when you startif you early vote September the thirtieth through
October seventh. I just I wantyour vote. Then, thank you for
listening to me, gentlemen, thankyou for having this conversation of the great
work, the best of the bestof luck odd speed and we'll hopefully talk
to you in the runoff. Andfolks will be back with the patriotic moment
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And thank you so very very much. Folks, go back and you're
listening to the final show, andthis is Chaplinhei Mcinry And it's not a
time for us to go into ourchaplain by by patriotic moment. We just
take a brief moment to remind youof the biblical foundations of our country,
our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And todaywe're going to talk about, of all
things, the US Constitution, becauseafter all, we're promoting that this week

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with the Daughters of American Revolution atthe Nuance Library downtown. They have a
great display. If you would liketo learn really something about our constitution,
your constitution, you need to godown there and check it out. They've
done a great job. Well,folks, what about the US Constitution?
How did you get going? Whodid it? Well? The rule,
the fundamental the basic author was JamesMadison, who was also later one of

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our great President Jefferson mentored him andThomas Jefferson, and so this is what
James Madison said. He said thatthe US Constitution was based upon the Ten
Commandments, and without the Ten Commandments, the Constitution would have no effect.
That's the supreme law of the land. That's how much Madison and our Finding
fathers believed that we needed God asour foundation in this in our country,

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in our government. The during thedebate and the discussions on creating the Constitution,
our Finding fathers went into a rabidbarroom brawl, if you will.
It was like a dog and catfight. It was horrible. Well,
old Ben Franklin was sitting around watching, and he was a very gregarious man.
He's usually right in the middle ofit all, but this time he
was strangely quiet. He just listened, and after about two weeks he tapped

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his cane on the floor and thewhole crowd went into a holy hush.
If you will to hear the greatFranklin speak, he rose and this is
what he said. He said,gentlemen, I've noticed something conspicuously missing from
our group that we never left outin our prior efforts for the writing of
the decks independence in the early daysof this republic. He said, I

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noticed that prayer is missing. Iwould suggest we pray. Can a nation
rise yet a sparrow can't fall tothe ground without God watching it. Can
a nation rise? Can lest webuild the tower? Babble? I suggest
we pray, and you know what, our finding fathers are deeply convicted.
So guess what they did. Theyhit their needs and they started praying,
and they prayed like wildman. Youknow how long the prayer lasted that morning?

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Three hours? And from that dayon, every time the Constitution Convention
meant, every time our finding fathersmet for like the next six months,
every time they prayed. Sometimes theyprayed all morning, sometimes they prayed all
day. But guess what they wereable to get over and get through their
differences and finally hammer out the greatestgovernment document is believed by most experts,

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that has ever been written in thehistory of the world. Folks, I
think they want to keep God ingovernment. And guess what the most important
thing is? God in you.You could be the greatest biblical patriot that
ever lived. But if you didn'tknow the Lord, what good would it
do you. You would have knowledgeabout God, you might have a little
zeal about him, great, thatdoesn't get you into heaven. So what
I'm gonna do right now, I'mgonna show you how you can know that.
You know that, you know whenyou die you're going to heaven.

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You'll be saved from hell and guaranteedheaven. Folks, it's really simple.
God made it for children and said, unless you come as a little child,
you shall know why it's enter.And Jesus said that. He also
said, suffer the little children cometo me, for of such is the
Kingdom of God. It works likethis, the Bible says, before we've
been saved by grace. That meansa free gift. Kids love gifts,
don't they, and they know theyreally are gifts. They don't have to

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work for him. It has tobe free, folks. If you try
to add something to you, youtry to make pay God some kind of
way with your good works, you'reholy living or whatever you might be trying
to do, it won't work.You got to take it for free.
Jesus paid the price, he didthe great work. Leave it with that.
We've been saved by grace through faith. And even that is not of
ourselves. Even our faith doesn't comefrom us. It is a gift of

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God, not of works. Let'sany manage to both. So even God
gives us our faith. Bible says, he gives faith to every body,
and the Bible says he gives graceto everybody. So we're all without excuse.
And if you don't have a Bible, least you got mother Nature to
teach you. And the Bible says, you can learn about all you need
to know about God just studying nature, just looking at above you. If
you will, the heavens declare theglory of God, the Bible says,

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So what does it take. TheBible says, believe on the Lord Jesus
Christ, and thou shalt be saved. Believe what It's really clear? For
I declare to you the Gospel andthe God. Bible says, the Gospel
as the power of God unto salvation. The Gospel says, for I declare
to you the Gospel that Jesus diedfor all of our sins. I mean,
from the day born and the dayday times to your greatest sins.

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He was buried and he rose fromthe dead. That's the Gospel us that
for the gospels of power of Godunto salvation. Folks, all you gotta
do is with the faith of alittle child, truly believe that only Jesus
can get you to heaven. Thathis death on the cross and resurrection took
care of you two big love problems. First of all, your sin problem,
which was washed away with the bloodof Jesus, and then your death

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problem, which was fixed when hefrom the dead, so he could win
for you his precious free gift ofresurrection, everlasting life. If you've never
taken this before, you need todo it now. Don't wait till it's
too late. And like the Wordof God says, now, today is
a day of salvation. Please,folks, believe that Jesus died for all
your sins, was buried and rosefrom the dead. Believe you can't save

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yourself first, that's repentance, andthen you're free to put faith alone in
Christ alone. Well, folks,you know what, Jesus is coming back
really soon. As we now gointo our chaplain by by a watchman on
the wall. He's coming back reallysoon, folks. We better be paying
attention, he said, we betterbe paying attention, and he gave us
the signs for it. Of allthe signs we have, there over two
hundred prophecies concerning his second coming,more than his first coming. And that

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means it's important, folks. Weshould get excited. We should be ready
for it. We should be waitingfor it. We should be prepared for
folks. Do you know that oneof those signs is that knowledge would increase?
No, what does that mean?Well, do you know that before
the press, the grand total numberof books in the world with something like
a hundred. After the printing press, that went up into several thousand.

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You realize today knowledge is doubling everyday every day. We have AI now
that's doing everything just about. Knowledgeis increasing so exponentially. It's it's got
the intellectuals of the world, it'sgot the computer genius. The world terrified
realizing we may be losing control ofit and then it'll turn on us.

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And that was one of the signs. A lot of bad things are going
to come at the end. That'swhy it's called the apocalypse, folks.
A lot of really bad things fromevery angle. This will be one of
those. The imagine if AI startstaking over the planet and has to get
rid of the human race because we'rejust so bad, and we are bad
folks, But it doesn't matter.If your safest place is the bunker,

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call the Lord Jesus Christ under thatbunker. Protect yourself and save yourself.
Don't wait till it's too late.Folks. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and now shalt be saved, andhe will take care of you no
matter how bad it gets in theseend times that are now soon upon us.
He's coming back soon, folks.So thanks you very much. It's
not time for us to close.But we listen to my mom say Martin

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sing us the creole goodbye, andGod bless all out there. Does this
have to be the end of thenight. No, I love you.
In the pay land, I cansee across and meon stars and looking we

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can fall see it's the son oftime. I suppose you can call it
a creole if we take just toleave it alone.