Roger Clark (Red Dead Redemption 2)

This week on Toon’d In!, Jim Cummings welcomes the rugged, heartfelt, and unmistakably captivating Roger Clark! Best known as the voice and performance capture artist behind Arthur Morgan in Rockstar Games’ epic Red Dead Redemption 2, Roger brings a rich blend of stagecraft, storytelling, and frontier grit to the booth—and now, to the podcast mic.

In this thoughtful and wide-ranging episode, Roger shares the journey that led him from classical theater to becoming the voice of one of gaming’s most iconic outlaws. He opens up about the emotional depth and physical demands of bringing Arthur to life, the years-long process behind Red Dead’s cinematic storytelling, and how stepping into cowboy boots changed his life forever.

Jim and Roger dive deep into the craft of performance capture, the magic of immersive storytelling, and the quiet power of characters who speak with more than just their words. Along the way, they swap tales from the booth, reflect on the evolving world of video game acting, and even wrangle a few laughs from the wild west of voiceover work.

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Meet Roger Clark at these upcoming conventions:

• Cook Comic Con (Ireland) - October 4-5
• Commic Con Holland (Amsterdam, Netherlands) - October 11-12
• SciFi Valley Con (Altoona, PA) - October 17-19
• Comic Con Brussles (Belgium) - October 25-26
• The Nostalgia Con (New Orleans, LA) - November 21-23
• Kansas City Celebrity Comic Con (Kansas City, MO) - January 10-11, 2026

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Do it now? How you doing out there?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's me Tiggert, I.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Am Doc Wayne Duck.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's me Bunkers Deep Bobcat.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
All right, y'all, is it rate your favorite firefly you desire?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hondo old knock Gud. My name is Jim Cummings and
welcome to Tuned In.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Tuned In with
Jim Cummings. I'm producer Chris, joined as always by the
legend himself, mister Jim Cummings. How are you doing today, sir?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's another day in paradise. Ladies and gentlemen, stay tuned,
don't touch that dial.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
And we have a very special guest for you. You
know him as the voice of Arthur Ore again from
Red Dead Redemption to Roger Clark. Thank you for joining
us today.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's my pleasure, honored to be here. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh glad, glad that you could cut us into your schedule. Yeah,
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
For you, sir. Anything. And it's I'm on the other
side of the country, but it's nice. It's the day
in paradise here too. It's gorgeous weather.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah. And you're in New England.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's right. Yeah, although they wouldn't call it that most
of them. I'm in Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, okay, it's it's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's nice getting I had the first lobster roll of
the season a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh, that's you there. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
The big debate is whether you have it hot or cold.
That's that's what you all talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
What's what's your opinion on that hot?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I'm a hot guy because you got to get the
bum toasted.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh god, okay, I'm officially hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Now. Have you ever had cousins main lobster? Where sorry,
cousins main lobster?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
No, so good, so good. Yeah, we have one out here.
It's really good. M I'm sure you guys have on
every corner though, probably a good lobster real place.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
They're like pretty decent ones. And they it's seasonal, you know,
a lot of them just close up. They're only open
Memorial Day to Labor Day, you know. But yeah once
you and sometimes some of them put potato salad in
and some of them sprinkle a little bacum on top,
you know, those weird hot dog buns that they are
kind of shaped like a square like you, they don't

(02:31):
roll over if you put them down. Yeah, so it's
all it's it's usually that type, you know, so that
it's easier to toast with butter. Now I'm hungry too, No, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Jeez, let's take a break. We'll be right back. Well
we're gonna order gonna order in some uh some stuff.
Well yeah, well there's you're you've got clam bakes, You've
got a clam chowder and all that good stuff back there.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
All that.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, I mean, I am.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
It just suck. They suck at barbecue though. That's why
whenever I head down south, I always go looking for
a good barbecue.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh yeah, that's that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Do you spend much time down there? Of course you do. Conventions.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I was in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. Oh yeah, yeah.
And did they ask about me? Yeah? They did, they did.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I said I missed them.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Did you make up a good line?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
We've shared a few, quite a few cons ourselves, haven't
we start?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, that's beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's always an honor to see you in the green room.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh, same here, same here. It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
All right. I have a question for you. In our research,
I come across a rather interesting fact and I need
to verify it with you. Were you a dancing champion
in your childhood?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah? Yeah, I was an Irish dancer. My mother was
from Sligo. Oh okay, yeah. I was born in New
Jersey and I grew and then I moved. We moved
to Ireland when I was a kid, and from the
age of like five, I was big into Irish dancing
and I hated it. I absolutely hated it. My mother
forced me into it. And the only reason I hated

(04:09):
it was because they had to wear a kilt. Oh
it's the only The kilt is really a Scottish thing, really,
but the Irish where or at least they used to
wear did for dancing and it's a slightly different kilt
to the Scots. But I hated it because it was
a dress. You couldn't tell five year old me that
it was a kilt.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
That's true, that's funny. Well, my sister, God rest her soul.
She was very, very much into the whole culture of Ireland.
We you know, all of all four of my grandparents
were of Irish descent, and my grandmother was from let's
see Glasgow or No. Oh gosh, oh god, now this

(04:55):
is terrible. Now I'm gonna forget. I'm gonna forget the county,
any county, Cork.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Okay, okay, cool. I'm psycho myself, yeah yeah, yeah. And
I know I knew plenty of Cummings when I went
to school.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And and somebody said that
they they fancy. They figured that somehow or another, somebody
in my family had spent too much time in England
and that's where they picked up the g because it
should have been Cummings.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, there's a lot of that that went on, Like,
for example, my name originally had an E on the
end of it. Oh, but then for some reason, when
they moved to the States, on my father's side, they
took the E off and back home in the UK
and Ireland, if you've got the E on, you're more
likely Irish and you're probably Catholic. And if you don't

(05:43):
have the E, you're more than likely British and you're
probably Protestant. And I think my family, my great grandfather,
I think he took the E off because he thought
it would help with job applications and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Oh boy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Something similar. We had Kreele Creole ancestry, and our last
name was originally Judge.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Wah.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah. They they decided they didn't want to be like
perceived like that, you know, perceived as like other and
for more opportunities, they just dropped the wall. Judge, judge
way it was like Judge and then with a w
A at the end, judge.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Okay, yeah, the Creole.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
They came from Canada right.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
All the way. That was a hell of a trip.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah. Yeah. They started in French, French, French Canada, Canadian.
Yeah that's right, yeah, French Canada and then came up
through way of like Louisiana in the south.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's one of the best accents this country has. It's
so cool. It's one of the funnest accents.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Wait, wait, so what what is Irish dancing? Exactly? I'm
picturing they like jump up and down and like kick
their feet.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
There's the jig and there's the jig is typically with
a hard shoe. With the river dance, yeah yeah, yeah,
there's the real and that can be the soft shoe,
and that's where you see the very elegant women with
the beautifully knitted dresses with all the intricate Celtic design,
and the real is the soft shoe, and that's a
lot more graceful. And then there's also the hornpipe, which

(07:18):
is often done as a couple or as a quartet,
and that's typically with the hard shoe. And there's loads
of different versions. Anyone who's seen river dance, you've seen
Irish dance. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, except yeah, there's that
old joke we went to see river dance and half
of them drowned. But you know what I mean, that's right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I remember my sister just loving it because her kids
were into it and they would always go to the
feesh Yes, And one of my favorite stories about that
was that the reason that they kept their hands tight
to their sides and ants tight to the sides. Well

(08:01):
they're dancing the girls and their legs are going one
hundred miles an hour all over and and and I guess,
and you'll verify this. The reason was that if the
British soldiers were walking down the street, they had outlawed
Irish merriment, they had god Irish happiness, they had out
a lot. They didn't not outlaw drinking. Apparently that that

(08:25):
that somehow snuck through. But they didn't want them in
there dancing because of the celebration of Ireland and they
were supposed to be all British, no more of this
Irish mucking about, right, So they invented the dance that
your wrists were tight, tight up to your hips, and
your legs were going one hundred miles an hour because
if they could do it well, the British were walking

(08:47):
down the street and if they looked up into their house,
which was slightly elevated, they couldn't see.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Their legs, would just see them doing that.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So they did to see them standing there like this
and there, and I was thinking, okay, well that's real subterfuge.
There there's a con artist for you.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's crazy. I'm sure I know lots of mothers that
will be, you know, making their children practice and get
better at it. And many a mother would tie the
hands because sometimes they you know, for whatever reason, you
would instinctively go, I could you could fall. For example,
the mothers would tie the hands to their sides and
there would be kids falling flat on their face. But
they couldn't brace themselves, you know, right right right now

(09:26):
they can Now you can move your arms about. I
think Michael Flatley was one of the ones who helped
bring that back. You can totally. Yeah, you can have
a bit of a flare. You can have a bit
of a gesture now, oh boy, because Irish merriment isn't
as considered as dangerous as it was.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Like that's right, and well they say in the little
to Irish laughter you can hear the angels sing.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Where is that where you got the performance bug back
then as a kids?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So yeah, I did. I moved to Ireland when I
was twelve. I did do some stuff here in the States.
I remember my graduation for kindergarten and there was twenty
six students, so they all made us a letter of
the alphabet and I was made Z. So I would
close the show. I guess wow. That was my first stint.

(10:14):
And then I worked on Working and there's a Neil
Simon musical called Working and it was all about different
occupations and whatnot. And I was the newsboy at our
local parish. And then I got into amateur dramatics in
Ireland too, and yeah, yeah, I got the bug bit
me fairly early.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah yeah, and you you were just like in all
the school plays and all that too.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I didn't have the guts to do it professionally though.
When I first went to college, I studied computers and
I was absolutely terrible at it. And it was only
after my first year where I said to myself, look,
you suck at this, and you've only got one shot.
You might as well you might as well try and
do something that you enjoy. And then yeah, and then
you know, at least because it's it, what what? What's

(11:00):
better to regret what you have done than what you haven't,
or at least you know, it'd be terrible to say
you didn't give it a shot, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right right? Well that the way I've always looked at
it is said, I don't want to regret the things
I didn't do exactly. You know, I've done enough things
that I regret that I did do, and I don't
want to regret not having tried fill in the blank.
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, so far, so good, right, sir, Yeah, so far
so good.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, no doubt, I'm I'm certainly glad. I'm finally Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So out of college, you make that decision, and then
what's what's your career look like? Then? At that point,
what do you what's the what's the map that you take?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh? Hang on a minute, my son's playing drums. Sorry,
I better stop it now. You can hear that. I
am assuming you can hear that.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Let's open up the door.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, I can hear it. I can hear it.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh my gosh, the sound booth. Isn't that bad? Hey, Colin?
Maybe I could get it, Maybe we could get away
with it. If it bothers you, just let me know me.
You can hear it, you can hear it. I'll be
right back.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
But it bothers me that I can't hear it. Better,
he's just jamming out he kicking. But yeah, what dad?
Oh god? Really, how long I'm being the son?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Well, let me know when you're done. Okay, he asked
you you're kidding, really you.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Have to do it now?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, how long is it going to be? Okay, Well
let me know when you're done. Is that pretty much
the conversation.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, which is now that he's twelve, it's a
lot easier than it used to be.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
What kind of drumsy plan he's got?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Oh? His his his grandfather, my father in law bought
him in a real nice set. It's all mostly zilgin. Yeah,
and my father in law said, hey, do you mind
if I if I buy a call him a set
of drums. He knew exactly what he was doing, and

(13:17):
he knew that I couldn't say no either, you know, yeah, okay, Yeah,
it's not quiet. It's not quiet. But I I encourage
him every step of the way. And as you can see,
I don't have to tell him to practice because he
loves it so much.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
So, oh that's good.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah. Yeah, he does stuff with School of Rock and
he's got a concert coming up end of the month
and he's getting led ZEP and ac DC at the
moment right on.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Woww wow, that's awesome. That is great.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
But to go back to your question, Chris, I switched
courses and I dropped out of computer studies and then
I studied drama in the UK. I went to university
in Wales and then I graduated and I started my
career out of Britain, and I started mostly in theater. Yeah,

(14:08):
and then I and VO because I could do American
and Irish accents quite well over there. So that's what
got me into VO and then voice acting that got
bigger and bigger, and then it evolved into a lot
of performance capture and film and TV too along the way,
little bits and bobs, but most of it's been theater

(14:28):
and voice acting.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah. Yeah, that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, well that's great.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Do you find that your experience in theater like informs
informs you on voice performing?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Oh god, yeah, well I just think that I'm just
really grateful that that's how I started, because I think
at the theater for me anyway, theater is the best
place to learn. Oh yeah, no, I agree, yeah, because
the audience is right there.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And if you learn to listen to them as well
as they should be listening to you, you you learn
in real time, and then if you screw it up,
you can always fix it. The next night, and like
with voice acting, and like if you're working on a
game or on a film set, my gosh, your performance
is going to go through so many filters. It's going
to go through the director where the director and the

(15:14):
DP want the camera to be. Then you have to
deal with the editing and all of that plava and
by the time it's in front of an audience, it's
about it could be a year after you've done it,
and it's too late to change anything by then anyway.
So that's why I'm grateful that I started out in theater.
It really helped me learn.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Oh, I agree, that's that's how I started. I mean,
I think that's how you start. I forgot. I mean,
I don't know if there's a tried and true way
unless you're born into it, like you know, Michael Douglas
was Kirk Douglas's son. I suppose that'll do it. But
beyond that, if you have to carve your own way,
I don't know. I can't imagine doing it without the

(15:54):
theater because it especially for voiceover, because you have to
be a little extra on the stage, because what about
the people in the back row?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
They paid two.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
They paid two, right yeah, you know, you got to
perform for them, and that gives you a loud enough
mouth to get on a microphone. I guess you know,
it gives you enough glance.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's I agree with you, mister Cummings. And there are
people who who are amazing film actors and have never
stepped has never tread the boards ever. And yeah, I
have the utmost admiration for them because I don't know
how they do it.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think
Tom Cruise is one of them. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
and I'm pretty sure I used to. I think I
had this discussion with all people. His sister. I used

(16:52):
to do Mission Impossible releases back in the day, the
first three or four and you know, coming to a
theater near you or what, you know, whatever we were
doing back then. Sure, and uh, and I don't think
I think he went like right into being a movie star.
Yeahich is probably nice work if you can get it.

(17:15):
It probably helps to be Tom Cruise, it sure does.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, putting stuntman out of business in his.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Sixties, Yeah, yeah, that's true. Huh.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I haven't seen the new one yet. The most recent
one with I thought was really good. I mean, they're
all they've all been very entry.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's pretty damn good. Yeah, you'll like it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's crazy funny, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now nowadays, you know, most of the fans and most
of the people who are going to go and see that,
they often have to struggle to remember that it was
originally a TV show in the sixties, don't they.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, I remember it. I remember it.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I'm old enough, I don't I remember the reruns. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I remember the little line, the little they would I
would be across during the credits.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, it was a few I think. Yeah, do.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Iconic tune?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Oh god, Well we're not getting any
money from them, so the hel about them? Yeah, more
about you. Let's let's get back to the important stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
You who's the lead in that, by the way, because
he was an airplane too, I forget his name, but
he was one of he was he was he was
an airplane. He did this, he was one of the pilots. Oh,
I don't know, boy, I forget his name, but he.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Oh yes, I know you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
With Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes, yeah, oh yes, yes, yes, I can't think our
nest James are not somebody our nests.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Wow, okay, okay, because they did do a revamp of
Mission Impossible before Tom Cruise revamped it. They they I
think there was another TV show in the late eighties
and it didn't do well at all. Well he came
back for that as well. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Interesting, I never knew that.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I never did either. Well it wasn't a big hit, no,
so that that'll do it every time?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah. Yeah. How do you think you were able to
do the accent, the American accent so easily? I've heard,
you know, one of my Australian friends said that a
lot of people, you know can do the accent because
of all the media that you guys consume that's American.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I think that's a very very solid point, you know.
And you see lots of Scandinavians who speak spy level English,
and I think it's because certain countries, you know, they
well almost all countries have American shows on, but some
dub and some do subtitles. And the one that do
the countries that have subtitles, they often tend to be
very good at American accents. But I was born in Jersey,

(19:50):
don't forget. Yeah, and I've been. I've been back here
since eight now, so all over the place. But yeah, though, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So you picked that up quite late if you were
at twelve years old already when you moved.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
It was it actually probably wasn't that subconscious. I definitely
leaned towards getting an Irish accent so that I didn't
stand out as much at that age.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh yeah, that's true, because.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Then I was the yank you know.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, some of the attention was positive, but some of
it was negative as well, And you know, when you're
that age, so sometimes you don't want any attention at all. Yeah,
I would learned. I picked up the brogue fairly quickly,
and then it never really went away.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah. I did something similar growing up. I grew up
in I grew up in Canada, but I was I
felt like I was from LA because we moved. I
was born in Canada, but we actually lived in LA
at the time, in Redondo Beach, not necessarily LA, right,
And then my dad got a show that filmed up
in Vancouver, so then we ended up actually moving as
a family up to Canada. I couldn't stand it. I

(21:02):
was like, no way, Like I don't want to live
in Canada, like I don't want to sound to me,
Canadians sounded so goofy, like that accent sounded so goofy.
So I always make sure and like, you know, it's
not a huge difference in accents, but I would make
sure to always say like the American pronunciation of words
instead of the Canadian pronunciation. Like specifically, I remember when

(21:24):
Pirates of the Caribbean came out, okay, and I called
it Pirates of the Caribbean, and everybody would be like
what because in Canada they call it Pirates of the Caribbean.
You know, they don't say Caribbean. And I'd be like, no,
it's Pirates of the Caribbean. That's how it was, like no,
or like you know, everybody jokes about how Canadians say
a boot.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I'm dispelling this rumor right now. They don't say a boot.
They say a boat. They say a boat, a boat,
like it sounds like a boat, like a sailboat, a boat.
And I would always be about and sorry sing not sorry,
not sorry, sorr yeah, and like little I'm just relating

(22:05):
to you in that where like I totally get it,
where it's like no, I want to sound this way,
like I don't. I know this is gonna stick with
me for life. So I'm gonna train myself right now.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Saying and I say certain certain things the Irish way
and other things the American way, like garage and I
say garage, I don't say garage, but I do say
aluminum and I don't say aluminium. Yeah, oh yeah, I
do say I say vitamins, not vitamins. There's sometimes I'll
say boot instead of chunk. It's it's so many.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Things to cultures. It's interesting too when you're like when
you're in you know, like another country or something, and
then you kind of just like conform because it's weird.
Like even like in London, saying like oh, let's go
to the bar, it's like, no, You're going to the pub.
You know. It's like so I'm gonna start calling it
a pub and you know, like yeah, yeah, I don't know, as.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Long as you end up there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah.

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Speaker 3 (23:27):
So what first? What was like the first kind of
role that got you going in your acting career.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Oh well, I was still in drama school and I
booked Juno and the Paycock by Sean O'Casey, which is
a pretty well known Irish play and playwright. And I
played a kid called Johnny Boyle who had one arm
and a game plague. So I learned how to limp
and I also learned how to tie my shoes with

(23:55):
one hand.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Oh that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah. And then from then on I realized and that
was too much work.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, it's gotta be an easier road, oh man, But
I did it though.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I learned her I was tying my shoe on stage
and like they were like, oh cool, look he's tying
his shoe with one arm. That's pretty cool. I loved it,
and that's when I started touring as well. I've done
a lot of touring and that was very educational for
me as well, because you bring the same show to

(24:29):
a different culture or a different part of the world
and you hear the differences in the reaction, and and
that's another thing that you can learn from, you know.
Like we would tour all over Europe with this company
based out of Munich called the American Drama Group, and
we would do mostly Germany, but we would go all
over and I remember taking a show. We did a

(24:49):
stage adaptation of Frankenstein, and we were in France in
two months, and it was awesome because they took it
straight from Mary Shelley's book and there was a lot
of small logs and scenes that were straight out of
the book and almost just created. I was the creature,
oh you were yeah, okay, good. I'm only six to one.

(25:10):
But everyone else in the cast was shorter than me.
So we bought they they bought it, you know. But
remember we were touring France for two months, you know,
and we got into a vibe and we were doing okay,
and then our first night in Germany we absolutely flopped.
And you know that's what I go. I wonder, what, gosh,
this is the stiff audience. What's their problem? And then

(25:32):
I realized that wasn't that at all. It's just different
cultures they respond to different things. And we were we
weren't listening like we should have been. And then within
a couple of weeks then we had gotten into the
German mindset, you know, that touring all around. That was
that was we were like rock and roll stars, except
nobody wanted our autograph.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know, except for that. Yeah that's okay.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Still partying like not, still a different hotel every night.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, wow, that's amazing. But yeah, but that was. That
was a hell of an experience. I would think it was.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'd done almost fifty countries. We did Shakespeare in China
for two months. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Who did you play?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Which?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
We did the Scottish play and I was McDuff. Oh,
I was McDuff for two years. Wow, dang, that was
I love that role. That was great because, yeah, because
he doesn't he's one of the few that survives and
it gets to beat the big boy at the end,
you know. But China, China was nuts, and we performed

(26:36):
in Malta and Malta Malta was one of the venues
and we were right next door to where Oliver Reid
passed away. He died whilst filming Gladiator, as you may remember,
and he was actually arm wrestling some merchant Marines and
he dropped dead half way half arm, half wrestle, no way.

(26:58):
And we went to the bar where it happened, and
they've got a whole wall dedicated to him. And it's
called the Pub. The bar is called the it's a
it's a bar called the pub. Anyway, we went in
there and we we had a drink and saluted Oliver Reed,
who I'm a big fan of.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, that's great, that's great.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I feel like I've been there.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's a gorgeous place. And they're the biggest capers I've
ever seen. They've got capers the size of grapes.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh wow, huh. Well was this in Texas?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, just kidding, Well you never did. Everything's big in Texas,
everything big.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Dad there, I tell you what, Garan damn t Yeah,
oh man, oh man.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
So where are you at? What point in your life
are you at when when the audition for Red Dead
Redemption two comes around?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I am thirty four. I'm thirty four years old. I've
been back in New York for a while while, and
I eventually left UK and decided to go back to
the States for a lot of reasons. One, you know,
I had the I was a citizen. I was born
in New Jersey, so you know, and London was great,

(28:15):
and all London is where I eventually ended up in
in Britain, as you do, because that's where all the
actors are. But you know, I was getting I think
had I felt like I had hit a plateau. I
was getting booked for American roles and Irish roles and
but nothing else. And I thought, you know, maybe my
pigeon hole can be a bit bigger if I go
back to the States, and it was. So I started

(28:37):
out in New York. I didn't go to LA because,
well for lots of reasons, but mostly because I had
family in and around New York and I was still
at this stage very much a theater actor, and I thought,
I just thought my opportunities might be better there. So
I started doing off Broadway stuff. And I was doing

(28:58):
off Broadway for a couple of years, and I wasn't
really making a living at it, but I was. I
was steady, but I couldn't earn a living. I was
bartending as well, and then I started to be able
to do theater, maybe for like ten months before the audition,
I was I hadn't been bartending for a while, and
I did. I was getting you know, I was at

(29:19):
that situation. I was like, oh my gosh, is this starting?
Is this starting to? Don't tell fate, just keep keep
your head down and keep doing stuff. I worked with
Julie Taymor and uh we did Midsummer Night's Stream and
I auditioned for this video game because I had done
I had done performance capture before and I loved it

(29:40):
because it's it's a fascinating way to work. And I
had done voice acting for video games before as well,
and my agent knew that I liked both. And there
was this one breakdown that came in and of course
they're all named the same at that stage, they're all
called untitled video game projects. Yeah, because of as you know,

(30:01):
I was in that. So she knew I liked that
stuff though, So she said, do you want to go in?
I have no idea what it is, and I was like, yeah, sure,
and I went in. And what's really funny is that
I taken a big hiatus from I used to be
a gamer when I was a kid, and I took
a massive hiatus from it. But it just for whatever reason,
I started it up again and I just finished a

(30:25):
game called Red Dead Redemption and I loved it.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
A month later for what was Red Dead too. I
didn't know it at the time, but I went I
remember they didn't give me the sides in advance too,
as is usually the case, you had to get them
when you I think they wanted to see how quickly
you could go off.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Book probably yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
But then when I was reading the sides, I went, no,
this is funny, this is this kind of has the
same vibe of that video game I just played. Oh.
I didn't know it at the time. It was only
until about the third or fourth callback where I started
to get suspicious. And even then I didn't want to
spoil it. You know. I knew that this was it
had to be on the QT, so I just kept

(31:10):
myself to myself. And it was about six months before
they offered me the contract.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And then I remember they first availed check they had
on me. I couldn't do it because I was doing
theater down in Florida, and I thought, oh, well, that's
that then. But then they gave me another availed check
a couple of months later, and I was available then
and then that was that was when I then I

(31:38):
knew it was for Rockstar Games, and then I knew
it was for the next Red Dead.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And that was a five year contract.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah. Yeah, it took five years to make.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
My part did yeah, yeah, yeah, And I was pretty
much out of the cast. I was pretty much that
was the pretty much the longest. But there were a
lot of other devs and animators, for example, who had
been working on it even longer than that.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah wow, a lot of other Deads, a lot of
other dead Heads.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, yeah, ver Dead Digital dead Heads.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yes, because you guys did a ton of motion capture
for that game. I mean how many hours. I think
the story is like eighty hours to play through or
something like that. It's a really long game.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It can be. Yeah, most of the work was precap.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
What we would typically do is what we would have
three weeks on, two weeks off, and the three weeks
on would be performance capture. But you know, it's so
versatile and in so many ways easier than filming on
a set because we went to the same studio every day,
and it would be that it would be it could
be the swamp in the morning and it would be

(32:48):
the icy cold lands of the Arctic that evening. But yeah,
they were full the twelve to fourteen hour days and
then on the two weeks off, we might go into
the booth once or twice for a typical four hour session.
So the Lion's share of it was performance capture. But

(33:10):
as you know, I mean for the main characters, the
Lions share was performance capture. They hired thousands of voice
actors who were doing NPC roles, just the random pedestrians
that you meet on the street. That was all done
in a booth like this, and they cast thousands, thousands
of actors really thousands actual, Yeah, I think for the

(33:32):
mo CAP, I think there was nearly a thousand for
mo CAP and for the NPCs was thousands. And they
cast out of New York primarily. But I know for
a fact they went down to like Arizona to get
some Native Americans. I know they went down south to
Atlanta to get some Southern and Creole dialects. They and

(33:54):
then you know La. They cast out of La too.
I know they still do. They still cast like girls
more for the GTA franchise, right right, wow, which there now,
I mean they've been working on that since we stopped,
since we since Red Dead two came out.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I know, it's crazy. And then they push it back.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Year seven years and it's gonna be eight when it
comes out, eight.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Years eight as of now. Wow, I wouldn't be surprised
if they pushed back again.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah. Well, they delay everything twice.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
They delay everything twice.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
They usually wait usually, although this isn't always the case,
but when they name a date, they usually stick to it.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, but you're.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Right though, you never know, you never know.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah. I remember when Red Dead came out obviously. I
mean it's not that long ago. Red Dead Redemption too,
and like it felt as a fan of like Rockstar games,
you know, specifically Grand Theft Auto. I never actually played
the first Red Dead Redemption, but then it just seemed
like this game just got so much hype, you know
what it was. I remember, I remember the hype around

(35:02):
this game, and correct me if I'm wrong. Do you
remember the song Old Town Road by Little Naseex And
the original music video was all clips from Red Dead
Redemption two? And I remember seeing that music video and thinking, like,
no way, this is like the ultimate meme, Like what
in the world what is this game? And then South

(35:24):
Park had that episode talking about how everybody was just obsessed,
obsessed and like, you know, go home and the the
wife had been playing his save file. Yeah, yeah, and yeah,
just like the whole it was like a cultural phenomenon.
I remember I was working on this TV show at
the time called Arrow on the CW and we had

(35:47):
we had an armorer on set and her whole job
was just to deal with the bows and the arrows
for the for the Green Arrow. And she was like
an eccentric person, you know, always and I swear when
Red Dead, Redemption and came out, she's talking about it
all the time. And then slowly each day we start
start to see her outfits evolve into like more of
like a Western like cowboy. And then one day she

(36:10):
just straight up comes comes to work with a cowboy
hat on. We're like, oh, you've been playing that game
way too much.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, Oh that's funny.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's amazing. And it's still I did not I was
just hoping that it would be as successful as its predecessor,
and it's still still still. People come up to me.
I get recognized now more than I used to. It's
it's got legs. It's been a blessing, you know, and

(36:39):
it's a real privilege to be a part of something
like that.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, no doubt, that's for sure. That'll keep you at
those conventions, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
At the moment, it does. Yeah, and I'm so grateful
for that. You know. It's because I get to hang
out with legends like you, and uh, you know, I
know how lucky I am because I mean, like you, sir,
I'm pretty much a one trick pony at the moment.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Hey, I don't know about that, but guess what, it's
a great trick.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes, thank you, thank you. Yeah, and uh yeah, it's
been just a hell of a ride, an absolute hell
of a ride. And I'm gonna start. It's been a
while coming, but I thought to myself, I better do
this before GTA six comes out. So I'm gonna play it.
I'm gonna play it on twitch.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oh yeah, oh, you gotta get on that right now.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I'm going to announce it. Well, I'm gonna do it
end of the month. I'm not going to commit myself
to a date just yet, but I'm getting the ball
rolling on it and everything. Our Clark ninety eight on
Twitch You're more than welcome to join in. And I'll
tell you why though, because you remember DVDs and you could
watch like the director's cut and you listen to the
So I watched Nolan North. Remember you've met Nolan on

(37:47):
the circuit and Ned Luke, And what I love is
watching that, watching these guys play their own games. You
hear all the behind the scene stuff and it's it's
really I love that stuff. He's so fascinating to me.
So I just was thought, maybe I could share that
with the Red Dead fans. Maybe they would be something
that they would enjoy.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, yeah, they would.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I would watch that. Yeah. Ned Luke does the does
the play alongs, and he'll do like the role playing
and stuff. He's all about it.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I always love seeing you guys. I love seeing you
Ned Sean at conventions. It's always so much fun when
you guys are there.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
We were just in Lithuania.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, he gets out his phone and he starts live
streaming on TikTok in the streets of Lithuania and he's like,
I don't know what I'm doing any I'm American, and
I'm like, Ned, they know you're American.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, yeah, the cat's out of the bag.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you could easily translate.
Because you have a lot of subscribers on YouTube as well.
You do some little skits on YouTube as well. I
saw and I'm sure a lot of those people would
be thrilled to watch you play. I mean, me is
one of them for sure.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, I hope. So I'm gonna I'll paste it at anyway,
I'll plaster it all over the shop. Whoever wants to
look at it is more than welcome.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
To Yeah, if you got a string, pull it right.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Absolutely.

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Speaker 2 (39:39):
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Speaker 3 (39:41):
Speaking of YouTube, what started you getting into these little
skits and shorts that you've been making.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, I started producing shorts during COVID Okay, because one
of the few drunk god, one of the few social
things that I did during COVID was take my dog
to the dog park out here in Connecticut, so because
you know, you didn't have to worry about social distancing.
It was outside and you know, everyone could stay. So

(40:08):
I'm out there and I'm chatting away and it was
so weird. I was just talking to this one guy.
He had this big dog and I got a yellow
lab who's pretty big. And he was mentioned how he
just moved from LA I was like, Oh, what were
you doing there? And he says, oh, I'm a writer.
I'm like, you're joking, what are you doing in Connecticut?

(40:30):
I'm an actor. It turns out his name is Peter
Fallardi anyways, and he wrote Flatliners and The Craft, and
he moved back to Connecticut because that's where he's from.
Em and his family decided to move back here. So
we started making it. We started doing films together, and
well we've just we're going to Chattanooga Film Festival this

(40:52):
month for the probably the last screening of our latest film,
Damn Handy, which stars myself and and Kylie Vernoff, whom
I believe is also a previous guest on here. Yes,
she's wonderful, so Yeah, we're screening that and then that's
going to show up on the YouTube and then that
just that. You know, go into film festivals, you mean,

(41:14):
you bump into other filmmakers. And I've been working with
some pretty awesome filmmakers and now it's so much easier
to produce them because there's no COVID rules and guidelines
and do then. But it's so much easier now. Yeah,
it's like, I love it. It's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, film festivals are great to go to because I
feel like everybody at a film festivals like so optimistic
and so you know, like so excited and just like, ah,
there's so much creativity, you know, and it's like it
is you can see some great stuff that you'll never
ever ever see again. You know.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
It's it's true, Chris, You're absolutely right. You're just stuff
there you'd never see anywhere else, and everyone's on the
same wavelength. It's so cool.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah. I went to this one film festival in London
for a short I was in years ago, and yeah,
Bosonova was the was the short I actually ended up
winning a BAFTA for it, Yes, and yeah Best Supporting Actor.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I'll have to check that out.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
And congrats. I saw the coolest like twenty minute Japanese
snowboarding Like it was like half documentary half narrative, and
it was just like the coolest thing ever. It was
shot so beautifully and the sound design was amazing of
like the drone shots of like a solo snowboarder drifting

(42:33):
through the mountains in Japan, and I was like, man,
this is what it's all about, Like there is still
some true artists out there. You know. It's so easy
to shit on everything these days and be like, oh,
nothing's being made, you know, everything sucks and everything. It's like,
are you really seeking out art though? Are you really
seeking it out? Because it's not just going to be

(42:54):
one thing. It's not going to happen these days. Is
not going to be rammed down your throat, that's for sure.
I mean, look at look at it. Have you seen
the movie in Nora, Sorry this is a little tangent
one Best Picture this year.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I heard. It's really good though.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's literally one of the best movies I've ever seen
in my life. And they made it for six million dollars.
Is an independent movie, first ever Best Pitcher winner that
was an independent movie and I'm playing.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Up at last year's Oscars, right, that's about the sex worker.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And I'm like, if that's
not a huge banner from Hollywood saying hey, we support
you guys, make your own stuff and we will recognize it.
I don't know what it is, you know, it's like
Hollywood calling out for Hey, we love these independent projects.
Let's see more of them, because World War do for it.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, more of the good stuff anyway.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
And six million dollar budget for those people watching like
that is nothing. That's like a micro budget for a movie.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
That's like it sounds like a lot of money, and
it is, but not for what it's accomplished.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Right, I think now, more than ever, the resources to
make film are are easier and more accessible than they've
ever been. But what's become more of a challenge now
is competing with all the other content and getting eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Absolutely absolutely, And that's you know, like the once again Anora,
you know, like they have to shop at at festivals
in order to get that you know, publicity deal, you know,
and then it's like, oh, okay, okay, we're gonna now
distribute this for you and get people aware of it
because like you said, I mean, who good luck getting

(44:31):
as much attention for your independent project as you know,
Sony or Disney or Yeah, it's just not even dream
yeah right, it could be literally the best movie ever,
and it's just you know, unless people.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Twenty people will know it.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah yeah, and then you got to help their talkative Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah. So I've been really grateful, and I enjoy
being in front of the lens just as much as
I do behind the microphone. Yeah, I think they're too,
you know. I like to keep both both of those muscles.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah, when the time you've been on stage.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Oh, I did Man for All Seasons at New Jersey
Shakespeare Theater about a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Oh nice, nice, so still a nice.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, And they had to turn it down. They offered
me something last summer, and I had to turn it
down because I was, I was engaged, but yeah I was.
I was Henry the Eighth. That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Oh oh wow, great, I was. I could see you
doing that.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Absolutely what a blast.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
The Americans buy my buy, they buy my English accent,
so yeah, well too, as long as they don't know
where I'm from.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, that's right. Your secret is safe, thank you, except
for the millions and millions of people watching as we speak.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Oh no, my apologies is.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, that's great, And you have another project coming up,
Ricky Peril in Evolutist Duality.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Do you pronounce yeah, evolutis duality. It's kind of like
it's it's very similar to like a cyberpunk thing that
was directed by Brian Deckhardt, who some of you might
know from Detroit Become Human and h He and him
and his wife Amelia. They they have this Deckhard games
which they stream from. Amelia plays the lead, and I'm
Ricky Perrell. I'm this sleazy nightclub owner and that was

(46:37):
a lot of fun to do. I think, yeah, I
did that ages ago. There's a few things in the pipeline,
but you know what, so many things with as with
so many things in games, you can't talk about it
until you know. Yeah, it's I understand too, because there's
a need for the you know, whenever the leaks happen,

(46:57):
and we have seen a few leaks, it's just the
worst thing in the world because I know how hard
these devs work, and even if even as a fan
and an audience member, I don't want to see it
until it's ready to be seen.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
All right. You know well I agree, yeah, I couldn't
agree more that because you're not getting to finish your taf.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Baked exactly and you're not getting a full, full representation
of what it's gonna be, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
But yeah, it's getting harder and harder to keep things
under wraps.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Well, the internet's everywhere. Oh yeah, we're on it now,
I have Holy cow.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Yeah, it's crazy the lengths they go through to keep
things secret. I worked on Deadpool two as just a
PA and they called it what did they call it?
Blue Water Lagoon? That was that was the working title
of Deadpool two is blue Water Lagoon?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Oh yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
And then you know when it was Ryan Reynolds wasn't
on set that day. It was just his stunt double,
but you know, he's done up in the whole Deadpool everything.
We're downtown Vancouver literally and like one of the busiest
streets in Vancouver, and every time we yell cut, they
literally had people just come in with black umbrellas and
like surround the costume and walk them back to the trailer.

(48:20):
And same thing with who was the guy who played Cable.
I can't believe it. Yeah, Josh Brawlin. Yeah, and they
put all these little stickers. We had. We had one
hundred and fifty PA's working for these two weekends because
they shut down the busiest street in Vancouver, literally the
busiest street in Vancouver for that scene, you know, the

(48:42):
scene with the big like ja old convoy van, Like it's.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Like, oh, him and Wolverine walk down the road.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah, dude, that that was a real practical vehicle. They
took like four semi trucks or something and chain them
all together. The vehicle was so big it couldn't turn around,
so they took twenty minutes to reset every shot because
it had to drive sixteen city blocks just to turn around.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Totally cow.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well it's funny you should say that because have you
heard someone or some people they came up with a version,
an AI version of behind the scenes on this current
Avengers movie, and it's a total bogus. Oh, people were
believing it. People were buying it. You know, they got
Robert Downey dressed up as Doom, but it was totally

(49:35):
all fake. It was all AI. It did get some
traction and a lot of people were buying into it
at first.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Wow. Yeah, we'll probably seeing a lot more of that. Yeah,
you'll we'll be seeing a lot more of this stuff
with how much AI is evolving. Yeah, a lot of frauds.
I'm worried about when it you know, like I mean,
it's already happening. My grandma will send me something on
Instagram and it's like, uh, you know, a video of
like Trump dancing or something, but like you know, not

(50:03):
like his little fist pump dance, like you know, like
breaking it down, Like did you see this? Like that's
not real, Grandma though, that's straight up AI.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's uh, he's actually not doing that.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It's gonna get harder and harder to spot the difference.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah. Even now speaking to grandmother's, you know, they're getting
phone calls from their grandkids asking for bail money.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah you know, oh god, yeah that's all they need.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Is like about five or ten seconds of someone's voice. Yeah,
that's crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
That's it's a weird ass world.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's a Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I don't envy young young people nowadays because yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Usually aspiring actors too. Yeah, and voice actors.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Oh god, yeah, yeah. I mean if I was starting
off now, I don't know where I would end up.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, you know, well we mentioned it briefly, I don't
know the other day, but I saw an interesting comment
on Reddit talking about there might be a huge resurgence
in popularity of the theater, you know, because you can't
you can't AI in the theater, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
In a theater. Yes, And I don't want to discourage
young people either. I mean I've said to them, you know,
there's no two journeys are the same, and you'll always
be a way to tell your story, you know, there
will always be a way to authentically tell your story.
You just have to that's you know, change and yeah, yeah, yeah,

(51:33):
but yeah, definitely nobody knows where this ball is going
to land.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah yeah, I think. Yeah, I'm glad I'm not starting
out now though, that's that would have been. You know,
how do you how do you navigate? It's just such
a weird landscape nowadays. Yeah, you know, everybody's got their
own home studio. Everybody's like it's you against the world now.
But but I think I think that that's the great

(51:58):
equalizer as well, you know, the if you because I
think you know when you're directing yourself, and if you
can come up with something worthy to get noticed, well
then from there they'll take it to the director, the producer,
the artist, whatever, and you know, knock on wood, you'll
you'll make it. But there's no such thing as you know.

(52:20):
I remember when I had my first job. I was
very fortunate and a no a veterinarian. I met him
on vacation. He goes, oh, well, oh, you got a
job and you're you're working. Oh, well, you're in now.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
I go, huh.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
He goes, well, you're in. You're in for life. And
I said, what are you talking about. I said, first
of all, it's voiceover. It's not even it's not even
like they can look at somebody and go yeah, let's
hire that guy. No, and he goes, well, everybody knows
once you get your first job, you're in. And I said,
you've got to be no. No, everybody doesn't know that.

(52:57):
You're the only person in the world who knows that.
And you're wrong. So I mean, good luck.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah, will you tell me that story? I vaguely I forget,
but you didn't mel blank hear your tape once?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah it was it was it was
this back in the days of cassette. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
It was.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
It was my very very very first tape. And uh
yeah that There was an old buddy of mine got
rest is Soul, Ralphie Russo. He had a talent agency
and he would book like poodle acts and clowns who
tie up balloons for kids birthday party. See so big
time show bizz, big time show biz. But he had

(53:45):
an office right next door to Mel Blanks. And he
saw Mel coming down the hall and I just gave
him my tape the day a couple of weeks before whatever,
and he goes, hey, now, hey, I got this kid
over here. You want to get you got two minutes
play this tape for you. He goes, what do you
have got, kid? He goes, well, he wants to be you.
And he goes, oh good, that that's something new. I've

(54:07):
never heard that before, you know. And he puts on
and he says, he was very kind, he was very gracious.
He put in the tape, he hit play and melt
closed his eyes and he said he went like that
and then started playing and then he smiled and he
was quiet until the end of it. And he didn't

(54:28):
give me a review or whatever. He just said, tell
the kid he's got it and he left. So that's
like that was my impromater.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
That's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah. So and I still never met the guy.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, oh maybe, well there's still.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. AI is that where we're going
with this?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, but I also didn't meet Sterling Holloway, who was
the original voice of Winnie the Poop. Yeah. Yeah, A
million years ago. I was down in Laguna Beach. I'll
just be brief, and I hear this little voice coming
from the corner of the waitress goes, well, we decided
what we want yet, yes, I believe I shall have
the choona And I went god, and I got up,

(55:18):
and this is way before I was in the business.
And I walked up and there was Sterling Holloway sitting
there and he's got all this white hair shooting out him.
Looked like a haystack, a silver white haystack.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
And that was it. And forget me if I'm wrong,
but you've you've you've been playing any longer than he
ever did.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Now, well, no, that's very true. Yeah, he did it
like three or four times, and I've done it three
or four thousand maybe, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's been a
fine ride. Yeah, it's a fine ride. And I wouldn't
change thing of it, how about you.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
No, No, I'd be scared to change any of it. Yeah,
because I'm happy with where I am right now. Yeah,
I'm grateful for everything. Yeah, flaws and all.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yes, well that's that's let's see kid, kid milafalchia, that's it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
One hundred thousand welcomes.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yeah, yes, look at that. Yeah we both knew that.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, I actually went to I didn't have to learn
Gaelic when I went to school there because I went
over a little later than most. But I did pick
up that and poke mahone which has kissed my ass? Yes, yes, yes,
or ours as they would say. Yes, Yeah, that's a
beautiful thing. Language really hard, it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah, well I don't. All I know is kiss my
ass and and and one hundred thousand worker that's it.
So yeah, I'm screwed.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, And I remember the time I went to Wales,
and Whales is an interesting you know, it's interesting because
you know, there's Whales, there's Scotland, there's Ireland, you know,
and they all act like there are a thousand miles
apart from from each other. It's like, oh, no, you're
in Wales now, and I go yeah. But it's it's
like going to Youngstown, Ohio, then going to Cleveland, going

(57:10):
you're not in Ohio anymore. Yeah you're, you know, it's
kind of like yeah, pretty much, Yeah you are.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
But it's all very They're all Celts too, Yes, yes,
they're all They're all Celtic. They're all Celts. It's all yeah,
there's there's just different peas.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
In the pot.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, no doubt. Well I went. Yeah, I love Wales.
I'll never forget the Some of the Welsh sayings are
hilarious because I remember I was that's where I started bartending.
Oh and so this one fella he says he was
telling me the story about how his bike got stolen
and he goes, So I comes out of the po

(57:47):
and there was my bike. Gone, oh that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
See that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah that is yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Oh my god. He would say some of the funniest stuff. Yeah.
And there was dig another guy called Budgy, and he
he was like he was pretty old, but he was
he would drink like a fish. And he was really
good at pool. And he was a bit of a
thief too in a spare time. He done time for
it and everything he would you know, he would always

(58:21):
agitate people when he was playing pool with them. You know,
he'd try and get them to lose just by psyching
and talking. You know, he would. He confessed to more
than a few robberies when he was trying to beat
people at pool. Say oh, yeah, you left the you
left the back window open last week, didn't you buy? Well,
you'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
I sold you, Telly, I cosed, I got off a
fifty quid. And he would he would away say I'm
up on the roof. I'm up on the roof because
from the Billy Joel song. And whenever he was winning,
he would he would always refer that he was.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Up on the roof. It's a wonderful place. Oh my god, Well.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
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what's what's happening next for you? Should?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Should? We do?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
We have we touched on your upcoming events because I
think we should. There's a few things some attention.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
You're going to release Damn Handy, which is my one
of my more recent shorts, that's going to be released
soon once it finishes the circuit, the festival circuit. We'll
put that onto YouTube. There's a lot of games coming out,
Evolutist Duality being one of them, but most of the
rest of them I can't talk about. But I am
going to start a Twitch lay through of Red Dead

(01:00:02):
Redemption too, and that's gonna also be on TikTok and
it'll be available to watch on repeat and on YouTube
as it is. But there's a few other things I
can't talk about, but you can follow my social media
for any upcoming announcements. And is there any other games
that I can talk about right now? I don't think
there is. Yeah, yeah, that's the the Yeah, it's weird

(01:00:26):
right now, so they'll want the whole world to know
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
But on their own time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh yeah, I'll I'll be screaming it up on the
roof when I can, mister Cumming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yes, no doubt. Well good for you. Well it's a
thank you for being here, brother, this is this has
been so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Thanks for having me. I had a blast and it
was any anything to get it to have a chat
with you, Jim.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Oh hey, thanks for having me take that man that
that's a that's a beautiful thing. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I was thanking just before we get off here. What
if we have had a short little conversation between Arthur
Morgan and who do you think? I was trying to
think of, like a do you have a a cowboy character?
I would like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I known is a pirate, the cowboy, the cowboys? I
was decoded dude, and the cowboys? Uh move masa, Yeah
that would be that would be my biggest cowboy role.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
I would say, should we do that? Should we have
a cowboy off?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Sure? I ain't much of a cowboy, but you know
I did. I did. I did lift a few cows
here and there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yeah, well you ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Gonna go I got some bad they have some I got.
I suffer from a respiratory illness myself, and I hear,
but I hear they got a cure for TV nowadays,
And I'm very very happy to hear that, because I
don't recommend it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
You don't recommend the cure or the TB.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Oh well, I would have to say the TV ain't
that ain't nothing to ride home about. But if there
is a cure, please tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, I'll I'll lead the light.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
On for you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not sure what that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
I think that came from a Motel six commercial, so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Uh, that is that's a slogan.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Okay, we want to disregard that, folks. That wasn't my
finest hour. But man, oh man, I just did it.
I just auditioned for Toyota.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Toyota going places, yeah, knowing one of them new electric
ones you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Oh yeah, you really did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, one of these hybrid cars. They don't even eat
and need to eat grass or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah, ass grass or gas. Nobody rides for free.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Ain't no such thing as a free lunch neither. No,
that's right, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Oh man, that must have been such a fun character
to play.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, well, I was a little nervous because I know
people loved John Marston, but uh, you know, after a
few months, you know, it was too late to change anyway.
So I just I just you know, I got comfortable
in my I got i'd be again to trust, getting
comfortable in my own shoes with it. Yeah, yeah, I

(01:03:34):
was a little nervous. John March, Is it true that
you work Jim Gordon?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Like, because that just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Came out It was going to be I don't know
what the plan was it for initially, but yeah, I
played Detective Jim Gordon recently and that was a blast.
That was a lot of a lot of fun to
Roger Craig Smith's Batman, and yeah, it was. It was
amazing to be entrusted with such a character by Warner Brothers, right,

(01:04:07):
And I gave him a little bit, Yeah, I kept
him American and all that, but I channeled my inner
Irish cop, you know, uh huh yeah, yeah, yeah, that
was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I had one of those in my family could return
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
My second uncle, my dad's uncle, was an Irish cop
and literally he was from Ireland and he they settled
in Youngstown somewhere along the line, and I guess he
was the most brutal bastard you ever wanted to run into,
and he'd just as soon break your legs as to
say a lo to you. So I got that going
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah. Yeah, well it's Jim here. I'm trying to remember
how I did Jim Gordon. I think it was something
like this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Yeah, I think it was too and that sounds familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
And I maybe he knew who Batman was, or maybe
he didn't certain stages. It depends on the dynamic, depends
on the relationship. Yeah, but uh, yeah, we've got to
get rid of them Batman. We gotta get we gotta
clean up Gotham City.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Right. Well, I always used to be get as a kid,
because I used to put poke holes in that. I
was thinking of. Jim Gordon knew Bruce Wayne as well
as he did. And then it was like the old
Superman thing, only not as bad as stupid as Superman.
Hey Superman, where's Clark?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
He put on his now, hey Clark, where's Superman? All
he did was put on a on a set of spectacles.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Oh gee, I know. It's the silliest, silliest thing. Yeah,
but then you see Christopher Reeves take off his glasses
and stands up straight, and you can own the way
he does it so well, you always believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
That's true. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
But only some only that's like, that's testimony to how
what good acting can do. It can make you believe
the unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that was good stuff. You're so right
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
As you're truthful to yourself, the audience might buy it. Yeah,
holy that I learned about this too, and doing it
in the booth. If you believe it, then if well,
if you don't believe it, then the audience definitely won't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah that's true. Yeah, well, there you go. We'll carve
that into stone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Right. Well, thank you so much again for being on here.
This is a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Thank you so much. Thank you guys, Thank you so much.
I'm sure i'll see you soon. I hope too. Yeah,
I'll be there. You're going there too, right, me too?
I aim to be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Oh man, well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I'm in Phoenix this weekend. I don't think you are
this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Nostalgia, right, yeah, very nostalgia. Yeah, I'm doing one of
those later on in the year. I hope it goes well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so far, so good, right, we'll take
It's nice to know that, you know, people are out
there thinking of you, because, like I said before, we're
in these little rooms. Nobody look at You're in a
literally in a very little room, and there's not a
lot of audience that participation involved here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah. I miss I miss auditioning, I miss leaving the
house to audition. I miss talking to a casting director. Yeah,
picking their brains for like thirty seconds before you yeah, yeah, yeah,
but now now it's it's so much more of a
shot in the dark. But I guess it suits them
because they now they can hear five hundred in one

(01:07:40):
day instead of eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, yeah, that would drive me nuts. I don't know
how they do it. I don't know how anybody, especially
hearing the same lines over and over again. Oh my gosh,
good luck. Something to stick out. Yeah, yeah, but you know,
I always add lib one or two just to make
sure that I keep them awake, So maybe that helps.
I don't know, do you do You pull stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Too very rarely, but I think hearing you say it now,
I'm gonna do it more often.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Yeah. Well, it's just I just figured they're so sick
and tired of hearing the same thing. So I'll say
the same thing only different words, you know, get the
same thing across. But it's like, oh okay, you know,
and what I'll it's sending up a flare for whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
What I've started to do, maybe in the last year
or two, is I'll do one take blind and then
I'll sit on it for a day or two and
study it. Oh yeah, and then that might be my
and then that that might be my second read if
I still like the first take, which oftentimes I won't,
but hmmm, that'll be my second read.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
So you're your own worst critic as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I think we are, especially now because you got the
time to be h Yeah. Yeah, but I've been starting
to book more stuff. But the strike is everything keeps
is getting keeps getting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Pushed back, video games strake.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
So it's a little scary. Yeah, So I hope it's
over soon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, knock on with knock on exactly, you're
knock on forehead. Oh amazing. Well, thanks again, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Thank you gentlemen. I hope I'll hopefully see you soon
and give my best to your wife and your mother
and and your new and I'm not. It's your brother
that had the kid.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Right, yes, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
All right, I'm finally copping on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Okay, cool, all right, let me let me record a
record an outro, and then could you just stay on
for a second. Sure, sure, sure, all right, everybody, thank
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Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Thank you, thank you.