September 25, 2025 • 60 mins
What if your body is holding the very answers you’ve been searching for?
In this episode, Kathy Baldwin speaks with Hanna Kok, a medical intuitive from South Africa who has walked through the depths of suffering—including the tragic murder of her husband—and discovered the profound truth that our greatest power lies within us.
Hanna shares how trauma, grief, and physical symptoms often mirror the stories we haven’t spoken, and how learning to listen to the body opens the door to true healing.
If you’ve ever ignored your body’s signals, felt powerless in the face of pain, or wondered how to reconnect with your inner wisdom, this conversation will remind you of the strength and clarity that already live inside you.
✨ Explore Kathy’s world → https://kathybaldwin.me
📚 Books: Unlearn the Crap & Level UP, How I Unlearned MY Crap, The Unlearned Life
Connect with Hanna Kok at https://hannakok.com
🎙️ Key Highlights
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Guest’s “Crap to Unlearn”: That suffering defines you—Hanna shows that pain is real, but it doesn’t get the final word.
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Kathy’s tie-in: Naming how our bodies carry stories we often silence, and how listening inward can reveal both trauma and truth.
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Notable facts: Hanna’s journey through grief after the murder of her husband; her work as a medical intuitive in South Africa; her ability to see beyond symptoms into the deeper causes of dis-ease.
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Relatable signs: Feeling disconnected from your body, ignoring physical symptoms, carrying invisible weight of trauma.
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Myths challenged: That healing only comes from external fixes; that we’re powerless in the face of suffering.
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Action step: Pause and ask: “What is my body trying to tell me right now?”
💡 Memorable Quotes
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“The body always tells the truth—it’s our job to listen.” – Hanna Kok
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“I know the depths of suffering, but I also know our true power lies within us.” – Hanna Kok
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“Your symptoms are stories your soul is trying to tell.” – Hanna Kok
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“Healing isn’t about erasing pain—it’s about reclaiming power.” – Kathy Baldwin
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Episode Transcript
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Hi, it's Kathy Baldwin. You know, one of the things
I love most about doing this podcast is that it allows
me to sit down with incredible people from all over the world.
It seems like every conversation opens up a new perspective,
a new truth, and just a reminder of how truly connected
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we are. In today's episode of
Unlearn the Crap and Level Up, I get to share a conversation with
Hannah Koch, who joins me from South Africa.
Hannah is a medical intuitive, and do you know, what struck me
most about her was the way she blends her wisdom
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with practical healing.
Hannah knows the depths of suffering she's
experienced, the unimaginable loss of her husband
when he was murdered. And yet she also
knows with absolute clarity that the
true source of our power lies within us.
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Hannah has a gift for seeing beyond symptoms,
into the stories that our bodies hold, and showing
us how we can reclaim our strength,
alignment, and wholeness. This isn't just another
interview. It's an invitation to listen to your body in
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a new way, to trust the wisdom within and to discover
the power that's been there all along.
Let's dive into this powerful conversation with Hannah Kock.
Welcome to Unlearn the Crap TV with your host,
Kathy Baldwin. Unlearn the Crap TV is more
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than just a show. It's a movement towards breaking free from
the disempower structures designed to benefit the few at the
expense of the many. It's about education, healing, and unlearning
the detrimental beliefs that have been ingrained in society for generations.
So now, please welcome the host of Unlearn the Crap
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tv, Kathy Baldwin.
Welcome to another episode of Unlearn the Crap and
Level up. Your soul is calling.
I'm your host, Kathy Baldwin, and for
those of you who are new to the podcast, let me
just explain what CRAP actually is.
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Crap is an acronym. It is a short
form for condition responses and automatic programming. That programming
will come from how our brain processes our thoughts, our feelings,
our emotions, our beliefs. It's also
part of our ancestral DNA. What we've been brought
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up in, culturally, in our society and our family memes.
When it is crap, it is disempowering to
us. And that is the point of unlearning. But it
is also a physical component. Just like everything in
our world is both energetic and physical, the physical
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manifestations are designed to go through our body,
through our systems, through our digestive system, through our lymphatic system,
and all the other systems that we have to process those
chemicals. That physical manifestation of
what is happening within our Thoughts and feelings.
When we do not address the crap
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in our thoughts and feelings, our behaviors,
and our habits, we will have the disease
that's created from changing our gut microbiome.
It will increase our inflammation.
It does make us sick. It is a precursor
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to almost every single disease. And so it is
absolutely imperative in this time of massive
change that we are going through, that we all learn
to address and identify the crap that is taking
us out and unlearn it so that we can level up.
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I am so excited to have Hannah Koch
with us here today, and we're going to discuss that very thing.
Hannah, thank you so much for being here.
Could you please begin this conversation by
telling me and our audience what crap
you had to unlearn so that you could level up.
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The. The crap that I had to unlearn. And I think
it will be an ongoing process because this crap comes in different layers.
Is being the victim,
being playing the victim, getting attention
by pretending to be the victim,
feeling sorry for yourself. That's the
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crap that I have had to unlearn. And I think every
day there's still layers of it, But I have come a long way already.
So as a child, you know, I'm one number
five out of six children. So you had to find a way
to be noticed. And that's how I learned that if I pretended
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to be the victim, being weak and vulnerable,
that was my way of getting attention.
And then I realized, but this is making me unhappy.
I cannot be who I want to be. And then
it actually culminated in a situation where we really were the
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victim, where I lost my husband in a.
In an armed robbery. And then I
realized, I cannot afford to be a victim now because
I have a young child. And if I'm going to play the victim
here, then my son would have lost
both parents that night. So that is how I had to level up.
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Definitely. Wow.
I. I honor you sharing such
a vulnerable story. And I can't wait for us to unpack it
and really get into the depths of this conversation.
But before we do that, could you please tell the
audience who you are and how you serve the world
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now that you've leveled up after unlearning that crap.
Right. Well, I am spiritual,
being in a bodysuit, to be truthful. But at
the same time, I do have a profession as well. So I'm an educational kinesiologist,
a medical intuitive, and an allergy practitioner.
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And I was very fortunate that some of that training I already
had before my husband passed. And it
was, for me, an opportunity to start saying, you know what?
It's time to start doing this work. Because my husband and
I had been talking about, why are we making a living instead of
making a life? And so when he passed, it was like,
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it's time for me to make a life and do
this work so that I can live the legacy for
both of us. And that's what I've been doing since I've been,
you know, keep on growing, seeing clients develop courses,
etc. Just to continue with making
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a life for myself and for others in the process.
Wow. You took a tragedy that
could have taken a lot of people out
of their element, a lot of people that would
have stopped them in their tracks. But you took this
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tragedy, this horrible situation that happened
to you and turned it into a purpose and used that
energy to fuel something really good
out of it. Congratulations.
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I. It is an example
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of how our trash becomes our treasure,
or what they say, your mess becomes your message. And definitely,
you know, for me, if I think of what the key
is of all my work, and I mean, you were saying in
your introduction of how our unresolved crap
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turns into illnesses. Well,
the way to prevent that is through forgiveness.
And that is what I had to learn as well,
because, you know, in my situation, they knew who the people
were. Nobody was ever caught, and I
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had to forgive them, but also myself in
the process, because,
you know, we always. I believe we always play a role in everything
that happens to us. And I have to forgive myself for that role
as well. And I now feel
that I am an authority on forgiveness. So I really turn this into
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an asset, not being boasting about
it, but it has given me some credibility that I know
what forgiveness can be about. And when you
want to let go of your crap, it is so important to forgive yourself
for having stuck with it for so long, for believing in
it, for taking long to let go of it, for piling up new crap,
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buying into that. There's always some brown stuff to
shovel, and we have to forgive ourselves in that process.
So absolutely. I.
I love what you have just said in so
many different ways. I'm doing a series right
now on my unlearning curve segment called
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the archetypes. And one of the archetypes I first talk
about are the survivor archetypes and that the victim is
in there. We all have this
archetype as part of our personality.
It just comes with being human. The question is,
how advanced is it? How dominant is
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it in our lives? I love
the fact that you're probably the only guest that I've had on the show so
far who has openly acknowledged
that that was the crap that they were carrying. And so that makes
me very excited to be able to this and unpack this with
you. But I want to start with forgiveness
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because you said your husband was killed,
he was shot, and we
discussed that. That is something that
could have taken you down and out.
I have heard so many people say
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that they cannot forgive because it
almost feels like it grants permission,
that if they give forgiveness,
that they're in fact saying it was okay,
what happened. Could you please explain
your definition of what forgiveness means and
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how you implemented it in such a dark moment?
Right. So the how I look
at, I agree with you that I agree that forgiveness
is actually not about condoning
behavior. I want to say that very clear.
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It's never about condoning the behavior.
However, in my situation,
when, I mean, you must remember, I know just
to paint a picture what the scenario was. I'm from the Netherlands.
Originally, I moved to a little country called
Lesotho, which is a mountain kingdom inside of South Africa.
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We lived in a little village. No phone, no radio.
Well, we had radio contact. That was it. But no phone or
anything to communicate with the outside world.
And so when this happened, I couldn't contact anybody. I had to drive
30km to go and get help.
Now, why did I tell you that? Is. Let me just backtrack
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a little. Is,
yes, I remember now what happened. What was so
amazing that just a few days after
he passed, a book arrived in the post written
by a friend of mine about death and dying. She had
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sent it two weeks before his death via
post arrived in my post box. And as I was reading
in that book, it said that on a soul
level, people decide three days
before they die that they're
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going to die. So.
And when we looked in his diary three
days before he died, he had written, I'm so
stuck. It's time to move on. He never, of course,
intended to, like, leave this plane,
but he was stuck. And how often do you
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hear that people somehow
knew they were going to die and got their house in order and changed a
whole lot of things before they died.
So now his death is not an accident,
then maybe it was a part of a deal. Part of.
Because we were feeling stuck. We were running a trading
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station. We sold everything from napkins to coffins and what
you need in between. We used it all, and now
we didn't like doing it. We wanted to change our lives,
make a life by Starting a retreat
center or something like that. But we just got stuck in the
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process and we did not know how to get unstuck.
So with his debt, the whole situation broke
open. Because this business that we were running was a
family trading business. So his family had been running this
trading station for over a hundred years. So you can't
just sell and leave. It's. It's a family tradition there
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that you. So we were feeling really stuck.
And with his death, it broke
everything open. So I focused
on what's the good that has come out of this.
And that is why I could forgive.
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And the reason, as you said before, you know,
our crap becomes an illness if
you don't forgive. As Carolyn May says,
it's like trying to drink. Trying to kill somebody while drinking
the poison yourself is a. For the people
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that don't know how to forgive or don't want to forgive, there's a
muscle test that you can do. If you have a second person, you know,
you stick your arm out and you get a person to push really hard on
your hand while you think of something nice. And then
do it again while you think of something of
the person that you don't want to forgive. And you'll see that arm is coming
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down. You cannot hold that arm up. No matter how
many revenge or hate thoughts you have, thinking that
is fueling you, but it is draining your energy.
And I often have to do this with clients. And then I
say, do you realize you just giving your life force to
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the person you least want to have it?
Oh, is that a mic drop powerful statement right
there? And that
person that you don't want to forgive. I've had clients, that person could
be in the grave, so that person was still having
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hold over my client from the grave.
And talk about powerlessness and victimhood.
Exactly. So forgiveness is all about.
About claiming your power back. Saying, you know what?
I don't like what happened. I don't have to like what happened,
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but I accept it happened.
And if you want to take it. Even.
And if you want. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's exactly. I want to stop
right there. Because that. What you just said is the key to our
empowerment. When we understand that
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forgiveness means we're cutting the energetic
ties to what we did not want to happen,
so that we are no longer trapped and stuck and bound
in that energy. It is freeing.
It is emotional release.
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It is taking our power back.
You know, I was very fortunate in
many ways. It felt like I was prepared for that moment. First of
all, I had learned about the power of forgiveness. Before it happened,
another thing that happened was we.
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So we had met the mother of
a friend of ours or no,
we had met a woman, she was the mother and she
just lost her child unexpectedly.
She caught a virus and over the weekend she was gone.
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And years later the mother still going like,
oh, why, oh why, oh why?
And the thing is, why never gives
you, when you ask the question why, it never gives
a satisfactory answer. No,
it never does. It's as if we think if we could just
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understand the rationale, then we could learn to accept
and live with it. There will never be a
rationale that says, oh, okay,
I get it.
The answer will never be satisfactory. Never.
But the answers to or the questions to ask is
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what can I learn from this? Where to from here?
That is how you're going to get unstuck. But you
know, self pity is a drug. You know,
it's. So when we don't want to forgive is we
playing the self pity game? And that's because self
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pity is a watered down version of self love. And we now
think, oh, we're giving ourselves some love or we can get some love through
self pity, not realizing that real love
is way more powerful than self pity.
Oh, I love that visual of it being
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a watered down version of self love because it
does feed us. That is why we go to these pity parties,
because it is soothing. It does give us
the oxytocin and the dopamine hits that,
that soothe and comfort us.
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But self love, you know, is way more powerful as
we can learn from A major master 2000 years ago is
a bit like, drink from the well, you'll be thirsty
again, but when you drink from the live the well of living waters, you'll never
thirst again. And that is the same with the pity parties.
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You'll be thirsty again and you'll throw another one and another one and
become the drama queen. And people get tired of you
and don't want to spend time with you because so draining to be around a
person that always has a problem. And I know that because I was one
of those. And. But when you
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learn to love yourself more and more each day, and I think we only mastered
the day we, you know, Freck, when we finish
on this planet then. But it
is definitely way more rewarding than the self pity.
Yeah, could Hannah, could we go to.
How did you articulate
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and really understand that the crap you were dealing with
was being the victim? How did that manifest and
how did that awareness come about?
Part of what I like to do on this podcast is through
our stories and our sharing of vulnerable and intimacy.
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It hopefully will spark some awareness for a
listener who says, ah, I wonder if
that is equaling this.
Okay, well, I think I have unlearned
some of the crap with the victimhood, but I'm not all there
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yet. Every now and then, it pops up again.
So when you asked me earlier what is
the main thing that I had to unlearn,
it then dawned on me because, again, I'm going, I'm in a
situation right now that is rather tough, that I'm thinking, like,
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I catch myself trying to throw a pity party or
starting to throw a pity party of, why is nefer everything?
Why is. You know, are things not working for me? Or why is this and
that? And I realized, that's my victim again.
There it popped up again.
And then I'll just go like, okay, I forgive myself
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again for feeling a victim again.
It's okay. Let's dust ourselves off and
carry on. So even if you've
unlearned something, I think it comes, you know, different levels.
It's okay if we have a
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core archetype, like one of the survivor
ones, a victim or child. I'm trying to remember the other archetypes.
We will definitely be revisiting
that our entire lives. It is part of
the lens that we filter all of our experiences
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through. But what you just showed was how
once you recognize it, you can recognize it
faster and faster each time it comes up.
And then you can make a conscious choice. Because with awareness
comes the ability to choose, correct?
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Absolutely. And you know what? I went on a
course called Positive Intelligence, and they were
also talking about the different. They call it saboteurs
that we have. And one of them is the victim. And I
learned something very interesting. They said those
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saboteurs come from childhood
strengths that then turned overactive
and became a saboteur. So the strength
of the victim is that they have the ability to
feel deeply, feel deeply and feel
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empathy and all those emotions so deeply.
But then they fell off, you know, went too deep
and turned into a victim. But that helped me to realize,
oh, okay, I'm just feeling it deeply now.
That's okay. You know, it's like it just. That insight was,
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okay, let me just focus on the strength of. I can feel this
deeply right now. And if I want to transform
any emotion, the key is to be willing to
feel it. Because that's the problem. If we don't feel
what we're feeling and we pretend everything is just fine,
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and I'm all positive. But in the meantime,
I'm boiling inside with frustration.
You know, that's when we get sick. We have to be
willing to face that feeling. Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you so much for that perspective.
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I don't know if you noticed, but I broke into this massive smile
when you said that. That. Because what you just articulated was how
the universal law of polarity works. And one of
the things that I'm always saying when I'm working with my clients is your
challenges. Your pains are
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always the polar opposite of your
zone of genius. And you're being honed,
you're being polished. Because the only way your zone
of genius, your purse. Purpose in life, can really
be expressed is through the polar opposite.
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And you just showed such a beautiful example
of that, that you are a woman
of deep emotional feeling, that you
really can feel things on such an amazing level.
And I think that's sounds like what you have been bringing
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forward into how you're now helping
the world. Am I correct? Absolutely.
Because I love guiding
people to become aware of how they feel. Yeah. So it's
all about. I love working with my clients to
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connect with those emotions and. And transform them,
because that sets us free. So that's part of the journey.
I work. Work with people. And also then the forgiveness
that comes along. It. Because we often have emotions and we feel shame
around whatever emotion we were feeling or whatever we were
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going through. And so it's so important. If we want to love
ourselves, we have got to love all of it,
crap and all. So. Absolutely.
Absolutely. So tell me a little bit more about
what it means to be a medical intuitive.
Right. So I'm trained as a medical intuitive through
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the Theta healing modality.
So that is a modality developed by Vienna Stibel.
And it's an intuitive. Well, medical intuitive
says it all. It's making that divine connection. And then there is
a. One of the courses is about intuitive
anatomy. And what that does is you
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first of all learn about how the
body stores different emotions in different parts of the
body. So, for example, if we have gut
issues, our abuse,
anything that we perceived as abuse,
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real or perceived, you know, if we didn't get that lollipop, that was abuse
in our eyes. But of course, there's severe abuse as
well, that will hit our gut area.
When we have grief or fear
of death, it will hit our lungs. So like with COVID
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there was such a fear of death in
the air. It hit our lungs, and so we
had such lung problems. It didn't have to be so bad if we
hadn't amplified that fear of death
around it. So when
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I work with a client, what I do is I combine what I learned and
then you go into like a theta brainwave through a little meditation,
and then you can scan a client, see where the energies
are stuck. And I often feel a slight
sensation in my body. Okay, I think something is going on here.
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And then I'll ask you work with the divine or
the higher, the creator, basically what
is going on here? And then you'll get some ideas that can start a discussion.
So that's how it works. And then from there you work
on releasing those things and putting new beliefs in,
taking old beliefs out.
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Wow. One of the things that I did when
I was going through my healing journey is when I understood the
connection between the energetic and the physical and realized
that I had created fibromyalgia in my body because
of unsuppressed or suppressed traumas
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and people pleasing and self sabotaging and all these
things that I was doing. I didn't
consciously choose to create fibromyalgia, but, but it
was my crap and, and my habits and thoughts and feelings
and beliefs and all of that that created it. And so when I saw,
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when I realized that connection, I became an energy healer with the modality
of the emotion code and the body code, and I
became a certified practitioner by using
myself as a test case.
Is theta healing what you're talking about?
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Is it something that we can intuitively learn
how to do ourselves, to heal ourselves, or do we need
to go to a trained practitioner?
If you're connected with the divine,
if you are intuitive, of course you can do it
yourself. The only thing is sometimes you're so in it that
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you cannot see what is going on on. And then you just need an outside
person to just point out things that are
obvious, but you overlooked it completely.
So for that reason, sometimes it is good if you
are not able to solve it yourself. By all means. I am the biggest
fan of self help and so I'll
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use all of that. But sometimes I still need somebody to work with me
because I just cannot see it. It Absolutely,
absolutely. We, we have filters within our brains
that only allow us to see that which we've
chosen to be important. And if we have not had that
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first initial awareness to say, yes, I want to
look for this. We are definitely in the midst of
a massive forest. Or another way
I like to think about it is trying to find one particular drop
of water within an ocean.
We know it's there, but that doesn't mean we can see and pick it out
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and see it. We do need that external
mirror, that external perspective
that gives us contrast and clarity to be able
to see these things. But I'm glad you used my favorite word,
mirror. You see,
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because if you are willing,
a lot of people are not that willing. But if you are willing
to look at everything as a reflection
of your inner being, then you can
find a lot of those hidden things.
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But you have to be willing to look that crap that
you see in the other person and acknowledge it's also
in you. But now you know what to look for. So, for example,
if you see people treating you badly
or are rude to other people,
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check how rude am I to me?
You know, maybe not rude to other people. Most likely we are not rude
to other people, but how am I treating me?
And then we change that, and then everything else changes.
If I.
If people around me don't believe in, in what
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I offer, then I've got to look at, well, am I really believing in what
I can do? You know, and so you, you get
constant feedback from the universe
of where a next layer of crap can be
found. And if you're willing to look at it because you
know you're not going to be angry with your reflection just because you look
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bad, you realize, okay, well, you know, need to put
lipstick on my own lips or do my hair or,
you know something, you're not fighting with your reflection.
But we fight with other people all the time. We fight with the politicians,
we fight with this organizations. Everything is
a mirror. Including the most irritating person in the world.
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Yes. And the more irritated we are, the more we
have it. And if we can recognize that and if we're willing
to look at ourselves and forgive ourselves for being just like that person,
then we can do a lot.
Absolutely. That is one of those
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crap things that seems so many people cannot
wrap their head around that. Everything is a feedback
loop. Everything is information about what
we are filtering. Because if we didn't have a strong reaction,
it wouldn't even come into our conscious
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awareness. It would just be part of the information
that just goes by and we don't even become
aware of it. That's part of what the reticular activating system within
our brain does, is all that filters.
So when, when someone pisses us off or we have a trigger
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or any strong emotion,
look at it, because that is our soul talking
to us. That is the information that's saying, hey,
I'm trying to get your attention, Chin. Yeah.
And the thing is, the closer they are to home.
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So if they live in your house, for example, the more
important the message. And then two other people
think, oh, this husband or my wife or my partner
can't stand them. You know, let's let
get rid of them. Get version 2.0 in you
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didn't change. So you're going to attract the same person,
different clothes. Yes, yes,
yes, that is so true. Because we only bring
the next version in. And it all
we, the people that we bring into us are what we
are trying to unlearn.
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I read an amazing book, this is 20
some odd years ago that started my
whole awareness of this. And it was Neil Donald
Walsh, Conversations with God. And when
Neil Donald Walsh was writing to God
and just venting, just angry, just pouring
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everything out, how dare you do this to
me? And how could you make my life so.
And eventually he started a process of
just automatic writing where the answers were coming
through him and he ended up having this inner
dialogue. But one of the questions that really stuck
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with me for the rest of my life was the purpose of our lives.
And in the book he talks about how the
soul says, I want to come to the physical world and
it wants to experience itself. And so
we require the polar opposite to
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show up in order for us to experience it. Because we can't
experience daylight without nighttime,
we can't experience heat without cold.
We must have that contrast in order
to experience it in the physical world.
And so we have. We draw to
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us all the opposites of what it is that
we are trying. So when we can walk around and feel like a victim instead
of taking that awareness of I am being surrounded
by everything that is shining its light on my
soul's purpose.
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Yeah, I agree with you that things,
yeah. Come to us and that we need the polarity now.
Have you ever heard of the Course in Miracles?
Yes. So I have it on
my shelf. And I will admit that I have picked it up and started it
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numerous times. I. I enrolled with Marianne
Williamson's program to learn it.
But that's a tough one. I, I think I might actually be ready for that
again now. Thank you for reminding me of it. Okay, cool. That's good.
Well, there is one book called Disappearance of the Universe
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by Gary Renard,
Gary R. Renard, that gives a great
insight on it. Then a
lady called Carol Howe has made recordings
of all the lessons of the workbook that you can
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work just short videos. Well, they are audios, actually five
to ten minutes a day that you can now listen to to work through the
workbook but what the whole thing, why I brought it up is
they are about teaching non dualism.
Because if you think of it, darkness is just the
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absence of light, cold is just
the absence of warmth. And when we start to realize,
I don't need the duality anymore because there is
only love, there is only. Yeah,
what is. And the absence of what is,
then we can move away from that need,
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the need for duality. I haven't mastered it yet, but I'm working
on it. But that's the way to go. So what
does that look like when we're living in a physical world
that requires contrast in order to delineate
me from this book in front of me or the camera so that
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I, I can have this contrast to really create spatial
awareness. Because if everything is all energy,
which I get on a cognitive level
and I talk about it all the time in all, all of my books,
if everything is energy, that's great, but that's on the energetic realm.
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How do you suggest that we live in the physical realm without
duality?
That's a good question.
I think the whole thing is that you can observe
it without getting sucked into it. I think realizing
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I can enjoy life without
having to have pain in order to enjoy life.
How many times do you hear people say, oh yeah, we need the
pain in order to enjoy the life, to experience joy.
But what if we can experience joy without the pain?
Why do we need to have the pain? I don't know,
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I'm not. Yeah, you actually brought up a
really good point with that. Because another life lesson that I got
from Dr. Wayne Dyer, I remember him saying that he
met with somebody who had lost a loved one like
within a day or something. And the, and the man was very happy.
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And, and Dr. Dyer said to him, how are you not
suffering? And he said, well, the suffering has to end at some
point, so I get to choose.
And so he acknowledged the pain and the suffering of losing
this loved one, but then chose to accept
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it and move on faster rather than living in a place of
darkness for a certain amount of time that
we have that choice. And so many times,
and so many times we're caught up in the moment
and the expectations and the shoulds of what it's supposed to look like
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and how long we're supposed to grieve and how much pain we're supposed to
suffer. And that was another thing that I'll never forget that he had said
was I cannot suffer enough to undo
this. And we cannot suffer enough
to undo the pain for others. Either.
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Yeah. Now the interesting thing is
that there was a thought that came past and it flew out again.
But it was on that side. Oh yes. On resistance,
the only reason why we suffer is because we resist
what is. Yeah.
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So I could forgive my. What happened with my
husband because really quickly.
Because I did not resist what happened.
Yes, I was sad. I had my moments of
pity parties because I knew I do have to cry my tears.
But I did my best not to resist it because
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just think of it. Think of something that is happening.
Why is it painful? Because you don't like it? That means you're resisting
it. Yeah. Well, we've also been taught
that there's a pill for every ill and that if
we're in pain, if we hurt, that that
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is a sign that we should stuff it down, we should avoid it.
We should at all costs not feel any
pain. When we will
accept pain in certain circumstances,
we will accept pain. When we are weightlifting and we're
choosing to build our muscles, we know that our muscles
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require that amount. We accept pain when it's a
feedback loop. When we touch a hot stove and we say,
oh yes, thank you for alerting me to that. That's hot, that's not
good for me. But when we. You're right. When we
put in resistance and say, I don't want
to feel this pain, I don't want it to
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happen, it shouldn't happen to me. Me, I shouldn't
be going through this. Those words, those shoulds is
what creates depth
of pain that can suck people into such a dark vortex.
Absolutely. And it's unnecessary. So resistance
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to reality,
resistance and acceptance,
those two are the polar opposites. If we
can move from resistance to acceptance,
we don't have to like it. Like you said earlier,
you didn't like the fact that the man you
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married that you thought you're spending the rest of your life with ended
before you wanted it to. Now you gave
him the gift of him spending the
rest of his life with you.
True, true.
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I didn't think of that. And when we
are able to change our
perspective and look at things from a different
lens and a different angle, that's where
we come up with our empowerment. That's where we. It all comes from.
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The self knowledge and the self acceptance.
That makes perfect sense. That makes perfect sense.
We have to really. No, I don't want to use the word have.
We don't have to do anything if we want
to change things now. It's important that we
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accept what is. But people resist because
they think If I accept what is, that's going to keep me stuck there.
But that's not true. It's accepting our
starting point. You know, when you're on the map, if you look at a
map and you want to plot where you want to go, there are two points
you need where you want to go and your starting point.
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And if you don't know and if you don't accept your starting point,
you can never plot a route to where you want to go.
So accepting just means I'm accepting how it
is for now. Up till now, this is
where I've been. Doesn't mean you say I have to stay there.
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I can go anywhere I want to go, but I have to
accept where I am right now.
Which can be translated into to every
area of our life, from our weight
to our health, to our relationships, to our money,
to anything. When we get. When we
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stay in a place of anger and resentment that this
was not supposed to have happened, and the regrets of I wish
I had have done this. Or we, we always,
always are doing the very best we can
with what we have at that time. And when we
can accept it, we're coming at it with a new set of
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eyes, a new set of information that says, from here on,
I can choose a different path.
Now, to add something which is very interesting is
that when we are resisting,
our brain physiologically goes into survival
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mode because we basically feel threatened by the current situation.
Now, I don't know, as an educational kinesiologist,
I have been trained a bit about the brain. So we've got the back brain,
then you got the two hemispheres and you got the prefrontal cortex.
Now, when we are stressed, one of the halves
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switches off for a large degree.
Then the prefrontal cortex switches off up to 85%.
So basically, you've got like a quarter of a brain left.
And you wonder why you behave like a moron. You can't make any
wise decisions. You don't have the insight. Because your
insight and your problem solving capabilities and your ability
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to feel compassion and all those wonderful qualities
that we can have as humans are out the window.
But if we accept this is how
it is, crap and all, now the whole
brain can be of service again, because I'm not in survival,
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I'm not resisting. Yeah,
you have a way better chance of finding a solution
to move forward and out.
Yes. That brings me to a personal story that I
feel I need to share at this moment. I lost both of
my parents within seven weeks of each other and they were living
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in another country. They had my maternal grandmother,
who at the time was 94 years old, living with them.
I made a deathbed promise that promised
that I would not move my grandmother from
there. If I had
have known at that time, almost 20
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years ago that my.
What you just said, that we're operating on 25%
of our brain. I wouldn't have made the life
changing choices that I did, that I made
without being able to bring in
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my cognitive awareness and my problem solving, thinking and my
creative solutions. Instead, I went automatically
into my crap. My.
My place of immediately everybody
else comes before me. And self sacrifice was
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my Achilles heel,
my. My victimhood. And if
we can have that cognitive awareness, which is why these conversations are
so important and say, oh, I just
had a major trauma happen.
Am I thinking clearly when
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I'm in these major life changes?
I know it can take up to a year,
depending on how much resistance I have to this.
This is not the time to be making big life
choices. Absolutely. And that
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is the time to not just think things
through, but ask for divine guidance. Ask for
guidance from, you know, for signs. Is this the right
thing for me to do? But thinking back of it,
I mean, I remember listening to one of your podcasts and I heard your story
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before and I realized. But you had to go through that, otherwise you
would never have unlearned your crap. Yes, you had to get ill.
Because what I've learned about all these
autoimmune disorders, it's all about an
allergy for self. It's not liking yourself in one shape
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or form. And as you said, you didn't like yourself
enough. You put everybody first until
you got so sick that you couldn't do it anymore.
Yeah. So at
that time, that probably was the best solution because
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you maybe didn't have the wisdom then that you have
now. Absolutely. Which is why I have these
conversations on these podcasts, is so that people can hear
it and. And it'll be in the back of their mind. And hopefully
they can unlearn their crap a little bit
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faster than allowing it to just deteriorate
and get to the point of a total breakdown to have a breakthrough.
I don't believe that's necessary. Now, Hannah, you.
You said one thing in that last that I want to circle
around to. You had said that that's the time
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to ask for divine help. But I also think it's
time to just ask for help. People like you.
If somebody who's listening to this
podcast is feeling drawn to you,
could you please tell them how you help and how they
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can find you. Yes I can.
So I'm a great believer also in
self help. So I have a gift for your listeners,
a self help. I call it a self help tool because
it also creates health and it's a great help.
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And all they have to do is go to Hannahcock.com
now I know English speaking people, they cannot help but
put a H at the end of the Hannah. So there are two domains.
You can either go to the Hana with or without the H but
the surname is Kok. So you go to Hannah kock.com
(55:44):
when you go to that page you can sign up
for my free IThrive
app for 35 days. Don't have to have a credit
card. If you come to a page that you have to put a credit card
in, you pressed on one button too far.
Just go back and do it again on that page you're on, you can
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sign up. Then once you're on there you'll have access to
my email. My social media is on there as well.
I'm always a bit reluctant with Facebook and things
like that because when you befriend people then all of a sudden they want
to have a date or they want, I don't know what they
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want, you know. So rather sign up
for my gift. It can already assist with some of the issues
that you have. There's ways to build confidence, there's ways to get rid of your
allergies to hormonal imbalances. Great tools
there. You get a good idea. And there is a forgiveness
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course on there, a video course as you sign up for that as well.
So I think wonderful best is to go there
and then you'll get, you will get on my email list. You can unsubscribe if
you don't like what you're getting, but at least then you
have a way of contacting me through email that would be the easiest.
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Well, I will definitely make sure that in the show notes as well as
on the video version of this, that link will be.
I will make sure that on the video version of this
podcast it will have the link showing there,
but it will also be a clickable link within the show notes.
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I want to thank you Hannah for coming and
spending this time with me and my audience.
Your, your wisdom, your insight,
your perspective has been an absolute joy
and I know that we will have made a difference
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in somebody's life. And I am so excited to have been able to introduce you
to my Unlearn the Crap podcast audience.
Thank you for your time and I. Want to
say thank you so much for this opportunity and to the listeners,
thank you for taking time to listen to this podcast.
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I think it's wonderful that you are investing in
yourself to unlearn your crap. I could not
agree more. And with that it sounds like a perfect segue to
be able to say, challenge everything so that
you can achieve anything. You are
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here for a purpose, to live with peace,
passion and prosperity and that your soul is
calling you. All you need to do is unlearn your
crap. Until next time. I'm Kathy Baldwin and
I am thankful that you were here with us today.
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Keep leveling up and.
Hi, it's Kathy Baldwin. You know, one of the things
I love most about doing this podcast is that it allows
me to sit down with incredible people from all over the world.
It seems like every conversation opens up a new perspective,
a new truth, and just a reminder of how truly connected
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we are. In today's episode of
Unlearn the Crap and Level Up, I get to share a conversation with
Hannah Koch, who joins me from South Africa.
Hannah is a medical intuitive, and do you know, what struck me
most about her was the way she blends her wisdom
(00:43):
with practical healing.
Hannah knows the depths of suffering she's
experienced, the unimaginable loss of her husband
when he was murdered. And yet she also
knows with absolute clarity that the
true source of our power lies within us.
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Hannah has a gift for seeing beyond symptoms,
into the stories that our bodies hold, and showing
us how we can reclaim our strength,
alignment, and wholeness. This isn't just another
interview. It's an invitation to listen to your body in
(01:25):
a new way, to trust the wisdom within and to discover
the power that's been there all along.
Let's dive into this powerful conversation with Hannah Kock.
Welcome to Unlearn the Crap TV with your host,
Kathy Baldwin. Unlearn the Crap TV is more
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than just a show. It's a movement towards breaking free from
the disempower structures designed to benefit the few at the
expense of the many. It's about education, healing, and unlearning
the detrimental beliefs that have been ingrained in society for generations.
So now, please welcome the host of Unlearn the Crap
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tv, Kathy Baldwin.
Welcome to another episode of Unlearn the Crap and
Level up. Your soul is calling.
I'm your host, Kathy Baldwin, and for
those of you who are new to the podcast, let me
just explain what CRAP actually is.
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Crap is an acronym. It is a short
form for condition responses and automatic programming. That programming
will come from how our brain processes our thoughts, our feelings,
our emotions, our beliefs. It's also
part of our ancestral DNA. What we've been brought
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up in, culturally, in our society and our family memes.
When it is crap, it is disempowering to
us. And that is the point of unlearning. But it
is also a physical component. Just like everything in
our world is both energetic and physical, the physical
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manifestations are designed to go through our body,
through our systems, through our digestive system, through our lymphatic system,
and all the other systems that we have to process those
chemicals. That physical manifestation of
what is happening within our Thoughts and feelings.
When we do not address the crap
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in our thoughts and feelings, our behaviors,
and our habits, we will have the disease
that's created from changing our gut microbiome.
It will increase our inflammation.
It does make us sick. It is a precursor
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to almost every single disease. And so it is
absolutely imperative in this time of massive
change that we are going through, that we all learn
to address and identify the crap that is taking
us out and unlearn it so that we can level up.
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I am so excited to have Hannah Koch
with us here today, and we're going to discuss that very thing.
Hannah, thank you so much for being here.
Could you please begin this conversation by
telling me and our audience what crap
you had to unlearn so that you could level up.
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The. The crap that I had to unlearn. And I think
it will be an ongoing process because this crap comes in different layers.
Is being the victim,
being playing the victim, getting attention
by pretending to be the victim,
feeling sorry for yourself. That's the
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crap that I have had to unlearn. And I think every
day there's still layers of it, But I have come a long way already.
So as a child, you know, I'm one number
five out of six children. So you had to find a way
to be noticed. And that's how I learned that if I pretended
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to be the victim, being weak and vulnerable,
that was my way of getting attention.
And then I realized, but this is making me unhappy.
I cannot be who I want to be. And then
it actually culminated in a situation where we really were the
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victim, where I lost my husband in a.
In an armed robbery. And then I
realized, I cannot afford to be a victim now because
I have a young child. And if I'm going to play the victim
here, then my son would have lost
both parents that night. So that is how I had to level up.
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Definitely. Wow.
I. I honor you sharing such
a vulnerable story. And I can't wait for us to unpack it
and really get into the depths of this conversation.
But before we do that, could you please tell the
audience who you are and how you serve the world
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now that you've leveled up after unlearning that crap.
Right. Well, I am spiritual,
being in a bodysuit, to be truthful. But at
the same time, I do have a profession as well. So I'm an educational kinesiologist,
a medical intuitive, and an allergy practitioner.
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And I was very fortunate that some of that training I already
had before my husband passed. And it
was, for me, an opportunity to start saying, you know what?
It's time to start doing this work. Because my husband and
I had been talking about, why are we making a living instead of
making a life? And so when he passed, it was like,
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it's time for me to make a life and do
this work so that I can live the legacy for
both of us. And that's what I've been doing since I've been,
you know, keep on growing, seeing clients develop courses,
etc. Just to continue with making
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a life for myself and for others in the process.
Wow. You took a tragedy that
could have taken a lot of people out
of their element, a lot of people that would
have stopped them in their tracks. But you took this
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tragedy, this horrible situation that happened
to you and turned it into a purpose and used that
energy to fuel something really good
out of it. Congratulations.
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I. It is an example
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of how our trash becomes our treasure,
or what they say, your mess becomes your message. And definitely,
you know, for me, if I think of what the key
is of all my work, and I mean, you were saying in
your introduction of how our unresolved crap
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turns into illnesses. Well,
the way to prevent that is through forgiveness.
And that is what I had to learn as well,
because, you know, in my situation, they knew who the people
were. Nobody was ever caught, and I
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had to forgive them, but also myself in
the process, because,
you know, we always. I believe we always play a role in everything
that happens to us. And I have to forgive myself for that role
as well. And I now feel
that I am an authority on forgiveness. So I really turn this into
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an asset, not being boasting about
it, but it has given me some credibility that I know
what forgiveness can be about. And when you
want to let go of your crap, it is so important to forgive yourself
for having stuck with it for so long, for believing in
it, for taking long to let go of it, for piling up new crap,
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buying into that. There's always some brown stuff to
shovel, and we have to forgive ourselves in that process.
So absolutely. I.
I love what you have just said in so
many different ways. I'm doing a series right
now on my unlearning curve segment called
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the archetypes. And one of the archetypes I first talk
about are the survivor archetypes and that the victim is
in there. We all have this
archetype as part of our personality.
It just comes with being human. The question is,
how advanced is it? How dominant is
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it in our lives? I love
the fact that you're probably the only guest that I've had on the show so
far who has openly acknowledged
that that was the crap that they were carrying. And so that makes
me very excited to be able to this and unpack this with
you. But I want to start with forgiveness
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because you said your husband was killed,
he was shot, and we
discussed that. That is something that
could have taken you down and out.
I have heard so many people say
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that they cannot forgive because it
almost feels like it grants permission,
that if they give forgiveness,
that they're in fact saying it was okay,
what happened. Could you please explain
your definition of what forgiveness means and
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how you implemented it in such a dark moment?
Right. So the how I look
at, I agree with you that I agree that forgiveness
is actually not about condoning
behavior. I want to say that very clear.
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It's never about condoning the behavior.
However, in my situation,
when, I mean, you must remember, I know just
to paint a picture what the scenario was. I'm from the Netherlands.
Originally, I moved to a little country called
Lesotho, which is a mountain kingdom inside of South Africa.
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We lived in a little village. No phone, no radio.
Well, we had radio contact. That was it. But no phone or
anything to communicate with the outside world.
And so when this happened, I couldn't contact anybody. I had to drive
30km to go and get help.
Now, why did I tell you that? Is. Let me just backtrack
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a little. Is,
yes, I remember now what happened. What was so
amazing that just a few days after
he passed, a book arrived in the post written
by a friend of mine about death and dying. She had
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sent it two weeks before his death via
post arrived in my post box. And as I was reading
in that book, it said that on a soul
level, people decide three days
before they die that they're
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going to die. So.
And when we looked in his diary three
days before he died, he had written, I'm so
stuck. It's time to move on. He never, of course,
intended to, like, leave this plane,
but he was stuck. And how often do you
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hear that people somehow
knew they were going to die and got their house in order and changed a
whole lot of things before they died.
So now his death is not an accident,
then maybe it was a part of a deal. Part of.
Because we were feeling stuck. We were running a trading
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station. We sold everything from napkins to coffins and what
you need in between. We used it all, and now
we didn't like doing it. We wanted to change our lives,
make a life by Starting a retreat
center or something like that. But we just got stuck in the
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process and we did not know how to get unstuck.
So with his debt, the whole situation broke
open. Because this business that we were running was a
family trading business. So his family had been running this
trading station for over a hundred years. So you can't
just sell and leave. It's. It's a family tradition there
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that you. So we were feeling really stuck.
And with his death, it broke
everything open. So I focused
on what's the good that has come out of this.
And that is why I could forgive.
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And the reason, as you said before, you know,
our crap becomes an illness if
you don't forgive. As Carolyn May says,
it's like trying to drink. Trying to kill somebody while drinking
the poison yourself is a. For the people
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that don't know how to forgive or don't want to forgive, there's a
muscle test that you can do. If you have a second person, you know,
you stick your arm out and you get a person to push really hard on
your hand while you think of something nice. And then
do it again while you think of something of
the person that you don't want to forgive. And you'll see that arm is coming
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down. You cannot hold that arm up. No matter how
many revenge or hate thoughts you have, thinking that
is fueling you, but it is draining your energy.
And I often have to do this with clients. And then I
say, do you realize you just giving your life force to
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the person you least want to have it?
Oh, is that a mic drop powerful statement right
there? And that
person that you don't want to forgive. I've had clients, that person could
be in the grave, so that person was still having
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hold over my client from the grave.
And talk about powerlessness and victimhood.
Exactly. So forgiveness is all about.
About claiming your power back. Saying, you know what?
I don't like what happened. I don't have to like what happened,
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but I accept it happened.
And if you want to take it. Even.
And if you want. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's exactly. I want to stop
right there. Because that. What you just said is the key to our
empowerment. When we understand that
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forgiveness means we're cutting the energetic
ties to what we did not want to happen,
so that we are no longer trapped and stuck and bound
in that energy. It is freeing.
It is emotional release.
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It is taking our power back.
You know, I was very fortunate in
many ways. It felt like I was prepared for that moment. First of
all, I had learned about the power of forgiveness. Before it happened,
another thing that happened was we.
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So we had met the mother of
a friend of ours or no,
we had met a woman, she was the mother and she
just lost her child unexpectedly.
She caught a virus and over the weekend she was gone.
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And years later the mother still going like,
oh, why, oh why, oh why?
And the thing is, why never gives
you, when you ask the question why, it never gives
a satisfactory answer. No,
it never does. It's as if we think if we could just
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understand the rationale, then we could learn to accept
and live with it. There will never be a
rationale that says, oh, okay,
I get it.
The answer will never be satisfactory. Never.
But the answers to or the questions to ask is
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what can I learn from this? Where to from here?
That is how you're going to get unstuck. But you
know, self pity is a drug. You know,
it's. So when we don't want to forgive is we
playing the self pity game? And that's because self
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pity is a watered down version of self love. And we now
think, oh, we're giving ourselves some love or we can get some love through
self pity, not realizing that real love
is way more powerful than self pity.
Oh, I love that visual of it being
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a watered down version of self love because it
does feed us. That is why we go to these pity parties,
because it is soothing. It does give us
the oxytocin and the dopamine hits that,
that soothe and comfort us.
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But self love, you know, is way more powerful as
we can learn from A major master 2000 years ago is
a bit like, drink from the well, you'll be thirsty
again, but when you drink from the live the well of living waters, you'll never
thirst again. And that is the same with the pity parties.
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You'll be thirsty again and you'll throw another one and another one and
become the drama queen. And people get tired of you
and don't want to spend time with you because so draining to be around a
person that always has a problem. And I know that because I was one
of those. And. But when you
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learn to love yourself more and more each day, and I think we only mastered
the day we, you know, Freck, when we finish
on this planet then. But it
is definitely way more rewarding than the self pity.
Yeah, could Hannah, could we go to.
How did you articulate
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and really understand that the crap you were dealing with
was being the victim? How did that manifest and
how did that awareness come about?
Part of what I like to do on this podcast is through
our stories and our sharing of vulnerable and intimacy.
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It hopefully will spark some awareness for a
listener who says, ah, I wonder if
that is equaling this.
Okay, well, I think I have unlearned
some of the crap with the victimhood, but I'm not all there
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yet. Every now and then, it pops up again.
So when you asked me earlier what is
the main thing that I had to unlearn,
it then dawned on me because, again, I'm going, I'm in a
situation right now that is rather tough, that I'm thinking, like,
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I catch myself trying to throw a pity party or
starting to throw a pity party of, why is nefer everything?
Why is. You know, are things not working for me? Or why is this and
that? And I realized, that's my victim again.
There it popped up again.
And then I'll just go like, okay, I forgive myself
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again for feeling a victim again.
It's okay. Let's dust ourselves off and
carry on. So even if you've
unlearned something, I think it comes, you know, different levels.
It's okay if we have a
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core archetype, like one of the survivor
ones, a victim or child. I'm trying to remember the other archetypes.
We will definitely be revisiting
that our entire lives. It is part of
the lens that we filter all of our experiences
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through. But what you just showed was how
once you recognize it, you can recognize it
faster and faster each time it comes up.
And then you can make a conscious choice. Because with awareness
comes the ability to choose, correct?
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Absolutely. And you know what? I went on a
course called Positive Intelligence, and they were
also talking about the different. They call it saboteurs
that we have. And one of them is the victim. And I
learned something very interesting. They said those
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saboteurs come from childhood
strengths that then turned overactive
and became a saboteur. So the strength
of the victim is that they have the ability to
feel deeply, feel deeply and feel
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empathy and all those emotions so deeply.
But then they fell off, you know, went too deep
and turned into a victim. But that helped me to realize,
oh, okay, I'm just feeling it deeply now.
That's okay. You know, it's like it just. That insight was,
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okay, let me just focus on the strength of. I can feel this
deeply right now. And if I want to transform
any emotion, the key is to be willing to
feel it. Because that's the problem. If we don't feel
what we're feeling and we pretend everything is just fine,
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and I'm all positive. But in the meantime,
I'm boiling inside with frustration.
You know, that's when we get sick. We have to be
willing to face that feeling. Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you so much for that perspective.
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I don't know if you noticed, but I broke into this massive smile
when you said that. That. Because what you just articulated was how
the universal law of polarity works. And one of
the things that I'm always saying when I'm working with my clients is your
challenges. Your pains are
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always the polar opposite of your
zone of genius. And you're being honed,
you're being polished. Because the only way your zone
of genius, your purse. Purpose in life, can really
be expressed is through the polar opposite.
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And you just showed such a beautiful example
of that, that you are a woman
of deep emotional feeling, that you
really can feel things on such an amazing level.
And I think that's sounds like what you have been bringing
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forward into how you're now helping
the world. Am I correct? Absolutely.
Because I love guiding
people to become aware of how they feel. Yeah. So it's
all about. I love working with my clients to
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connect with those emotions and. And transform them,
because that sets us free. So that's part of the journey.
I work. Work with people. And also then the forgiveness
that comes along. It. Because we often have emotions and we feel shame
around whatever emotion we were feeling or whatever we were
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going through. And so it's so important. If we want to love
ourselves, we have got to love all of it,
crap and all. So. Absolutely.
Absolutely. So tell me a little bit more about
what it means to be a medical intuitive.
Right. So I'm trained as a medical intuitive through
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the Theta healing modality.
So that is a modality developed by Vienna Stibel.
And it's an intuitive. Well, medical intuitive
says it all. It's making that divine connection. And then there is
a. One of the courses is about intuitive
anatomy. And what that does is you
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first of all learn about how the
body stores different emotions in different parts of the
body. So, for example, if we have gut
issues, our abuse,
anything that we perceived as abuse,
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real or perceived, you know, if we didn't get that lollipop, that was abuse
in our eyes. But of course, there's severe abuse as
well, that will hit our gut area.
When we have grief or fear
of death, it will hit our lungs. So like with COVID
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there was such a fear of death in
the air. It hit our lungs, and so we
had such lung problems. It didn't have to be so bad if we
hadn't amplified that fear of death
around it. So when
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I work with a client, what I do is I combine what I learned and
then you go into like a theta brainwave through a little meditation,
and then you can scan a client, see where the energies
are stuck. And I often feel a slight
sensation in my body. Okay, I think something is going on here.
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And then I'll ask you work with the divine or
the higher, the creator, basically what
is going on here? And then you'll get some ideas that can start a discussion.
So that's how it works. And then from there you work
on releasing those things and putting new beliefs in,
taking old beliefs out.
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Wow. One of the things that I did when
I was going through my healing journey is when I understood the
connection between the energetic and the physical and realized
that I had created fibromyalgia in my body because
of unsuppressed or suppressed traumas
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and people pleasing and self sabotaging and all these
things that I was doing. I didn't
consciously choose to create fibromyalgia, but, but it
was my crap and, and my habits and thoughts and feelings
and beliefs and all of that that created it. And so when I saw,
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when I realized that connection, I became an energy healer with the modality
of the emotion code and the body code, and I
became a certified practitioner by using
myself as a test case.
Is theta healing what you're talking about?
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Is it something that we can intuitively learn
how to do ourselves, to heal ourselves, or do we need
to go to a trained practitioner?
If you're connected with the divine,
if you are intuitive, of course you can do it
yourself. The only thing is sometimes you're so in it that
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you cannot see what is going on on. And then you just need an outside
person to just point out things that are
obvious, but you overlooked it completely.
So for that reason, sometimes it is good if you
are not able to solve it yourself. By all means. I am the biggest
fan of self help and so I'll
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use all of that. But sometimes I still need somebody to work with me
because I just cannot see it. It Absolutely,
absolutely. We, we have filters within our brains
that only allow us to see that which we've
chosen to be important. And if we have not had that
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first initial awareness to say, yes, I want to
look for this. We are definitely in the midst of
a massive forest. Or another way
I like to think about it is trying to find one particular drop
of water within an ocean.
We know it's there, but that doesn't mean we can see and pick it out
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and see it. We do need that external
mirror, that external perspective
that gives us contrast and clarity to be able
to see these things. But I'm glad you used my favorite word,
mirror. You see,
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because if you are willing,
a lot of people are not that willing. But if you are willing
to look at everything as a reflection
of your inner being, then you can
find a lot of those hidden things.
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But you have to be willing to look that crap that
you see in the other person and acknowledge it's also
in you. But now you know what to look for. So, for example,
if you see people treating you badly
or are rude to other people,
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check how rude am I to me?
You know, maybe not rude to other people. Most likely we are not rude
to other people, but how am I treating me?
And then we change that, and then everything else changes.
If I.
If people around me don't believe in, in what
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I offer, then I've got to look at, well, am I really believing in what
I can do? You know, and so you, you get
constant feedback from the universe
of where a next layer of crap can be
found. And if you're willing to look at it because you
know you're not going to be angry with your reflection just because you look
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bad, you realize, okay, well, you know, need to put
lipstick on my own lips or do my hair or,
you know something, you're not fighting with your reflection.
But we fight with other people all the time. We fight with the politicians,
we fight with this organizations. Everything is
a mirror. Including the most irritating person in the world.
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Yes. And the more irritated we are, the more we
have it. And if we can recognize that and if we're willing
to look at ourselves and forgive ourselves for being just like that person,
then we can do a lot.
Absolutely. That is one of those
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crap things that seems so many people cannot
wrap their head around that. Everything is a feedback
loop. Everything is information about what
we are filtering. Because if we didn't have a strong reaction,
it wouldn't even come into our conscious
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awareness. It would just be part of the information
that just goes by and we don't even become
aware of it. That's part of what the reticular activating system within
our brain does, is all that filters.
So when, when someone pisses us off or we have a trigger
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or any strong emotion,
look at it, because that is our soul talking
to us. That is the information that's saying, hey,
I'm trying to get your attention, Chin. Yeah.
And the thing is, the closer they are to home.
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So if they live in your house, for example, the more
important the message. And then two other people
think, oh, this husband or my wife or my partner
can't stand them. You know, let's let
get rid of them. Get version 2.0 in you
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didn't change. So you're going to attract the same person,
different clothes. Yes, yes,
yes, that is so true. Because we only bring
the next version in. And it all
we, the people that we bring into us are what we
are trying to unlearn.
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I read an amazing book, this is 20
some odd years ago that started my
whole awareness of this. And it was Neil Donald
Walsh, Conversations with God. And when
Neil Donald Walsh was writing to God
and just venting, just angry, just pouring
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everything out, how dare you do this to
me? And how could you make my life so.
And eventually he started a process of
just automatic writing where the answers were coming
through him and he ended up having this inner
dialogue. But one of the questions that really stuck
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with me for the rest of my life was the purpose of our lives.
And in the book he talks about how the
soul says, I want to come to the physical world and
it wants to experience itself. And so
we require the polar opposite to
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show up in order for us to experience it. Because we can't
experience daylight without nighttime,
we can't experience heat without cold.
We must have that contrast in order
to experience it in the physical world.
And so we have. We draw to
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us all the opposites of what it is that
we are trying. So when we can walk around and feel like a victim instead
of taking that awareness of I am being surrounded
by everything that is shining its light on my
soul's purpose.
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Yeah, I agree with you that things,
yeah. Come to us and that we need the polarity now.
Have you ever heard of the Course in Miracles?
Yes. So I have it on
my shelf. And I will admit that I have picked it up and started it
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numerous times. I. I enrolled with Marianne
Williamson's program to learn it.
But that's a tough one. I, I think I might actually be ready for that
again now. Thank you for reminding me of it. Okay, cool. That's good.
Well, there is one book called Disappearance of the Universe
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by Gary Renard,
Gary R. Renard, that gives a great
insight on it. Then a
lady called Carol Howe has made recordings
of all the lessons of the workbook that you can
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work just short videos. Well, they are audios, actually five
to ten minutes a day that you can now listen to to work through the
workbook but what the whole thing, why I brought it up is
they are about teaching non dualism.
Because if you think of it, darkness is just the
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absence of light, cold is just
the absence of warmth. And when we start to realize,
I don't need the duality anymore because there is
only love, there is only. Yeah,
what is. And the absence of what is,
then we can move away from that need,
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the need for duality. I haven't mastered it yet, but I'm working
on it. But that's the way to go. So what
does that look like when we're living in a physical world
that requires contrast in order to delineate
me from this book in front of me or the camera so that
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I, I can have this contrast to really create spatial
awareness. Because if everything is all energy,
which I get on a cognitive level
and I talk about it all the time in all, all of my books,
if everything is energy, that's great, but that's on the energetic realm.
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How do you suggest that we live in the physical realm without
duality?
That's a good question.
I think the whole thing is that you can observe
it without getting sucked into it. I think realizing
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I can enjoy life without
having to have pain in order to enjoy life.
How many times do you hear people say, oh yeah, we need the
pain in order to enjoy the life, to experience joy.
But what if we can experience joy without the pain?
Why do we need to have the pain? I don't know,
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I'm not. Yeah, you actually brought up a
really good point with that. Because another life lesson that I got
from Dr. Wayne Dyer, I remember him saying that he
met with somebody who had lost a loved one like
within a day or something. And the, and the man was very happy.
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And, and Dr. Dyer said to him, how are you not
suffering? And he said, well, the suffering has to end at some
point, so I get to choose.
And so he acknowledged the pain and the suffering of losing
this loved one, but then chose to accept
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it and move on faster rather than living in a place of
darkness for a certain amount of time that
we have that choice. And so many times,
and so many times we're caught up in the moment
and the expectations and the shoulds of what it's supposed to look like
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and how long we're supposed to grieve and how much pain we're supposed to
suffer. And that was another thing that I'll never forget that he had said
was I cannot suffer enough to undo
this. And we cannot suffer enough
to undo the pain for others. Either.
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Yeah. Now the interesting thing is
that there was a thought that came past and it flew out again.
But it was on that side. Oh yes. On resistance,
the only reason why we suffer is because we resist
what is. Yeah.
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So I could forgive my. What happened with my
husband because really quickly.
Because I did not resist what happened.
Yes, I was sad. I had my moments of
pity parties because I knew I do have to cry my tears.
But I did my best not to resist it because
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just think of it. Think of something that is happening.
Why is it painful? Because you don't like it? That means you're resisting
it. Yeah. Well, we've also been taught
that there's a pill for every ill and that if
we're in pain, if we hurt, that that
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is a sign that we should stuff it down, we should avoid it.
We should at all costs not feel any
pain. When we will
accept pain in certain circumstances,
we will accept pain. When we are weightlifting and we're
choosing to build our muscles, we know that our muscles
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require that amount. We accept pain when it's a
feedback loop. When we touch a hot stove and we say,
oh yes, thank you for alerting me to that. That's hot, that's not
good for me. But when we. You're right. When we
put in resistance and say, I don't want
to feel this pain, I don't want it to
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happen, it shouldn't happen to me. Me, I shouldn't
be going through this. Those words, those shoulds is
what creates depth
of pain that can suck people into such a dark vortex.
Absolutely. And it's unnecessary. So resistance
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to reality,
resistance and acceptance,
those two are the polar opposites. If we
can move from resistance to acceptance,
we don't have to like it. Like you said earlier,
you didn't like the fact that the man you
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married that you thought you're spending the rest of your life with ended
before you wanted it to. Now you gave
him the gift of him spending the
rest of his life with you.
True, true.
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I didn't think of that. And when we
are able to change our
perspective and look at things from a different
lens and a different angle, that's where
we come up with our empowerment. That's where we. It all comes from.
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The self knowledge and the self acceptance.
That makes perfect sense. That makes perfect sense.
We have to really. No, I don't want to use the word have.
We don't have to do anything if we want
to change things now. It's important that we
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accept what is. But people resist because
they think If I accept what is, that's going to keep me stuck there.
But that's not true. It's accepting our
starting point. You know, when you're on the map, if you look at a
map and you want to plot where you want to go, there are two points
you need where you want to go and your starting point.
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And if you don't know and if you don't accept your starting point,
you can never plot a route to where you want to go.
So accepting just means I'm accepting how it
is for now. Up till now, this is
where I've been. Doesn't mean you say I have to stay there.
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I can go anywhere I want to go, but I have to
accept where I am right now.
Which can be translated into to every
area of our life, from our weight
to our health, to our relationships, to our money,
to anything. When we get. When we
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stay in a place of anger and resentment that this
was not supposed to have happened, and the regrets of I wish
I had have done this. Or we, we always,
always are doing the very best we can
with what we have at that time. And when we
can accept it, we're coming at it with a new set of
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eyes, a new set of information that says, from here on,
I can choose a different path.
Now, to add something which is very interesting is
that when we are resisting,
our brain physiologically goes into survival
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mode because we basically feel threatened by the current situation.
Now, I don't know, as an educational kinesiologist,
I have been trained a bit about the brain. So we've got the back brain,
then you got the two hemispheres and you got the prefrontal cortex.
Now, when we are stressed, one of the halves
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switches off for a large degree.
Then the prefrontal cortex switches off up to 85%.
So basically, you've got like a quarter of a brain left.
And you wonder why you behave like a moron. You can't make any
wise decisions. You don't have the insight. Because your
insight and your problem solving capabilities and your ability
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to feel compassion and all those wonderful qualities
that we can have as humans are out the window.
But if we accept this is how
it is, crap and all, now the whole
brain can be of service again, because I'm not in survival,
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I'm not resisting. Yeah,
you have a way better chance of finding a solution
to move forward and out.
Yes. That brings me to a personal story that I
feel I need to share at this moment. I lost both of
my parents within seven weeks of each other and they were living
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in another country. They had my maternal grandmother,
who at the time was 94 years old, living with them.
I made a deathbed promise that promised
that I would not move my grandmother from
there. If I had
have known at that time, almost 20
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years ago that my.
What you just said, that we're operating on 25%
of our brain. I wouldn't have made the life
changing choices that I did, that I made
without being able to bring in
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my cognitive awareness and my problem solving, thinking and my
creative solutions. Instead, I went automatically
into my crap. My.
My place of immediately everybody
else comes before me. And self sacrifice was
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my Achilles heel,
my. My victimhood. And if
we can have that cognitive awareness, which is why these conversations are
so important and say, oh, I just
had a major trauma happen.
Am I thinking clearly when
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I'm in these major life changes?
I know it can take up to a year,
depending on how much resistance I have to this.
This is not the time to be making big life
choices. Absolutely. And that
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is the time to not just think things
through, but ask for divine guidance. Ask for
guidance from, you know, for signs. Is this the right
thing for me to do? But thinking back of it,
I mean, I remember listening to one of your podcasts and I heard your story
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before and I realized. But you had to go through that, otherwise you
would never have unlearned your crap. Yes, you had to get ill.
Because what I've learned about all these
autoimmune disorders, it's all about an
allergy for self. It's not liking yourself in one shape
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or form. And as you said, you didn't like yourself
enough. You put everybody first until
you got so sick that you couldn't do it anymore.
Yeah. So at
that time, that probably was the best solution because
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you maybe didn't have the wisdom then that you have
now. Absolutely. Which is why I have these
conversations on these podcasts, is so that people can hear
it and. And it'll be in the back of their mind. And hopefully
they can unlearn their crap a little bit
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faster than allowing it to just deteriorate
and get to the point of a total breakdown to have a breakthrough.
I don't believe that's necessary. Now, Hannah, you.
You said one thing in that last that I want to circle
around to. You had said that that's the time
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to ask for divine help. But I also think it's
time to just ask for help. People like you.
If somebody who's listening to this
podcast is feeling drawn to you,
could you please tell them how you help and how they
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can find you. Yes I can.
So I'm a great believer also in
self help. So I have a gift for your listeners,
a self help. I call it a self help tool because
it also creates health and it's a great help.
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And all they have to do is go to Hannahcock.com
now I know English speaking people, they cannot help but
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You can either go to the Hana with or without the H but
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(56:46):
course on there, a video course as you sign up for that as well.
So I think wonderful best is to go there
and then you'll get, you will get on my email list. You can unsubscribe if
you don't like what you're getting, but at least then you
have a way of contacting me through email that would be the easiest.
(57:08):
Well, I will definitely make sure that in the show notes as well as
on the video version of this, that link will be.
I will make sure that on the video version of this
podcast it will have the link showing there,
but it will also be a clickable link within the show notes.
(57:29):
I want to thank you Hannah for coming and
spending this time with me and my audience.
Your, your wisdom, your insight,
your perspective has been an absolute joy
and I know that we will have made a difference
(57:50):
in somebody's life. And I am so excited to have been able to introduce you
to my Unlearn the Crap podcast audience.
Thank you for your time and I. Want to
say thank you so much for this opportunity and to the listeners,
thank you for taking time to listen to this podcast.
(58:10):
I think it's wonderful that you are investing in
yourself to unlearn your crap. I could not
agree more. And with that it sounds like a perfect segue to
be able to say, challenge everything so that
you can achieve anything. You are
(58:31):
here for a purpose, to live with peace,
passion and prosperity and that your soul is
calling you. All you need to do is unlearn your
crap. Until next time. I'm Kathy Baldwin and
I am thankful that you were here with us today.
(58:51):
Thank you for listening to the Unlearn the Crap and Level up podcast.
If this conversation spoke to you, please like
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That simple act helps amplify this
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(59:11):
This show is built on the foundation of my
three books, Unlearn the Crap and Level Up. Your soul is
calling a roadmap to release what no longer serves
you. How I Unlearned My Crap,
which is my raw story of breaking free and
the patterns that I needed to unlearn, and the third book,
(59:34):
the Unlearned Life, an AI powered ritual
system for truth, transformation and personal empower.
If you're a podcaster or you
want to be, this is for you. Because 85%
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overwhelming, I created the Findly Podcast Automation
System so your voice doesn't become a statistic.
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My mission is to support not only my guests
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and you, the audience, but also every podcaster who's
ready to level up. So until next time, keep unlearning,
Keep leveling up and.
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