May 12, 2025 • 34 mins
Laura Jane Layton’s journey is a testament to resilience. Like everyone else, she’s faced her share of difficult challenges that, in the moment, felt overwhelming. Looking back, though, she recognizes those tough times as the moments she grew the most—her strongest ones. Through self-reflection, Laura shares how adversity shaped her into a better person and inspired her to do remarkable things. Sharing lessons from her upbringing about fitting in and seeking love, Laura recalls how she learned to embrace her experiences and uses these lessons as her signature approach to coaching: becoming your own “best friend forever” (BFF). Instead of letting an inner critic run our minds, Laura encourages us to change our self-talk and befriend ourselves gently.
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Virgin.
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Beauty.
Bitch.
Podcast.
Inspiring women to overcome social stereotypes and share unique life experiences without fear
of being defiantly different.
Your hosts.
Christopher and Heather.
Let's talk, shall we?
Snow White,
the live action movie came out earlier this year.
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Under clouds of controversy.
And it failed spectacularly.
However, there's a timeless theme in Snow White that every woman can identify with.
It's looking in the mirror each morning with a wish to be the fairest of them all.
Or at least the fairest you can be.
But does this simple message in gesture set women on a path for external validation when the true measure of personal value comes not from looking in a mirror, but from looking within?
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It's a question we raise with Personal Life Coach Laura Jane Layton.
Welcome Laura to Virgin Beauty Bitch.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
We are very, very happy to have you.
Now Laura, reading into your life story, there's a powerful statement describing your former life, which I believe most, if not all women, can identify with.
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And that is, in your words, a desire for external validation, the weight of others' expectations, the burden of self-hate and the yearning for a different life.
What do you believe sets you up for a life that sounds so profoundly burdensome?
You know, we all have that stuff happen.
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And I think it's to give a strength, you know, to, as we're going through it, it's crap.
I don't want this to happen.
I wanted to stop.
But when you reflect years later, it's like, oh, that was my strongest moment.
Oh, that was when I did this.
I can reflect back and go, wow, I did something really cool.
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And I'm a better person because of it.
And so even though we have all these crazy things that hit us in the face, and you know, it's all that upbringing, you know, if you want to be like, you need to act like this.
If you want to be loved, you need to act like this.
And we have these things that are told to us that we need to be like. And we honestly think it's true.
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And like I can't, I tell my clients create your own measuring stick.
It's you do not need to measure up to somebody else's definition of success.
What is yours?
What do you want to be successful at?
And so it's finding those things that I've gone through that have just made me feel worthless at the moment.
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But in that long run, gave me the greatest strength.
You know, it's like, how many times do I need to hit rock bottom? Come on, I'm done.
What, what, where did the switch come?
Where did the change come?
Where, where, the point where you hit the bottom that, that one time, and you said no more.
What happened there?
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You know, I wasn't paying attention to my own check engine lights.
I was having things happen within my body that was saying slow down.
Don't do this.
But I thought, you know, I'll just rev it up.
I'm going to keep going because once I hit that gas pedal, the light goes off and it's gone.
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So it must not really be anything. And then you end up in the hospital, you know, it's like if someone ever would have said, you know, could you give me $400,000 and lay in bed for three days?
Because that's what you need to do.
Like, no, I don't have that money and I don't have that time.
But when it hits you, you have the money and you have the time.
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And so that experience taught me to do it before.
And why do most of us wait until it slapped us in the face?
And it's some major thing that's saying, okay, life is more important than ignoring all these things that are going on.
And so it was that experience of having to be physically fixed by somebody else that put me in the no longer.
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I'm not going to let someone else tell me that I can't leave the office until my work's done.
I don't leave when I'm ready.
I'm going to do it my way.
And that stubborn person got even more stubborn.
I mean, what I hear from you and Andrew's story and something that really resonates with me is the concept of the hustle was a lie.
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That we live in this culture where we're no longer human beings, we're human doings.
And the more output or productivity that you have, the more value you are to your company, to, you know, the systems of power.
To the person at the top of the chain who's ultimately making quite a bit of money off of your work.
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So what do you feel is the lie behind hustle culture that no one really wants to admit?
You know, the lie is that it's the only way to be successful.
You can be successful doing it another way, but I, you know, I struggled through school getting good grades.
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I struggled measuring up to all these other people's expectations.
And then all of a sudden it's like, does it even matter?
Does it really matter? No.
What that person wants is their movie to be better. So I just step out of it.
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I can do this myself. I can do my own movie and bring in the people that I want to shine with.
And so I think, you know, knowing that I can be an extra in somebody else's movie or I can be the director of mine.
And I'm choosing now to be the director of mine.
When you're working with clients, I'm not sure if you're working with primarily men or primarily women.
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I don't have any men at the time.
I think women have a more desire to get out there and fix themselves.
Why is that? Why do you believe that is?
I don't know. I don't know, but I find that more women are interested in exploring.
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I'm going to call it the woo. You know that, that not scientific.
This is how everything's going to work. But that what maybe might work.
You know, all these modalities that are not scientific.
That do make you feel better. You know, and if it makes you feel better, do it.
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And I think, well, and I'll just use my husband example. He doesn't want to do those things.
You know, he feels like it's embarrassing. It's like I invited him to go to a retreat with me.
And it's like, are there going to be any other guys there?
Like I'm not interested if it's all women. And I go, I don't know. I didn't sign up because it was a girl only event.
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So I just the people I personally know are those people that say no.
And so I just assume that it's further out than that. And that's my bad.
You know, there's some amazing guys out there that want to heal their insights.
So for like I see it sometimes. I mean, we talk about we use words like patriarchy and so on.
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I see like a like a playground that was built by boys and girls are just expected to adapt to it.
All right. Is that is that what you're finding?
I mean, if you have to adapt to someone else's process, does that not make you wanting all the time?
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It did me. Absolutely. It did me. And I know people that are very happy pleasing other people.
But it got to the point where there was no me in my life anymore.
I felt very robotic. You cannot have emotions. You cannot have any fun.
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You just got to get all this stuff done. And you get up early and you know that my biggest freedom thing was when my kids finally could drive.
And I no longer had to be taxi.
I was like, yes.
And then maybe the kids are like, oh, he's filed. He got his own car.
No, his mom quit doing a job.
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So it's like, what is that? You know, I could worry about what other parents were thinking is like this helps me.
This is for me. And that's kind of where I think all of us need to be is what is it that's going to help you.
And tuning into it. What you know, because we're all different.
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You know, I could tell somebody I love you and they could immediately climb up and go.
I don't want to be loved. That means you're going to beat me later.
You know, because of their history.
And so how do we get out of that history and accept like, oh, it's okay not to express certain words to people that trigger them.
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Like we love fireworks. But what does it do to our PSDB?
You know, our people that hate them, they can't take it. It's it's war to them.
And it's knowing that I can give other people a safe place to be who they are without anything else getting in the way.
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And I think that's what my goal in life and my mission is to give others a safe place, a place where they can be who they are and learn and explore about them to become their best self.
So what is that for you? How does that work for you? Obviously, as you say, every individual is different.
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How do you find what is going to connect that person to their outcome that they are hoping to define?
I don't find it. I just asked lots of questions.
And I think that as we ask questions and allow people to have the time to reflect and to come up with the answer and not just a bullshit answer that sounds good right now.
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But what is it that is really going on and how do I how do I fix it?
You know, I can tell you external things. You can't change. You can't change how it's going to come to you. You can only change how you respond.
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And I will tell you a little story about that is I guess it's so mad at my husband because you take the garbage out and he wouldn't put a garbage bag in.
I was like, can't you just put a garbage bag in because now I'm putting garbage down and I have to put this in. And years go by and I'm always mad at my husband for this one stupid thing.
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So one day I decided it's my job.
He I never have to ask him to take the garbage out. Why do I think he has to do it all?
I should be thankful that he did the job one and I'll put the garbage second. So if he comes in he says, oh I forgot to put a garbage and don't worry about it. It's my job.
It's like I got this. I am now taking something that triggered me weekly if not multiple times a week as, God can't you just do it?
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It's okay now. And by changing my response and my expectation I change your relationship. Well, you know, we have to do that. Lots of stuff. It wasn't just one thing.
But that's a simple one that people could identify with. What is it? Like, oh crap, you left the crop.
The drawer open to this boons again. Can he not shut it? It's my job to shut them. It's okay. It's not worth a divorce or hating each other. I can fix it. I can let I can do that part.
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And so it's like, let's grow together.
Well, I am looking at your website and and what you have brought forward. You've developed the BFF coaching method. And you know BFF makes me think, you know, best friends forever.
But in this context, it means being your own best friend. Can you walk us through like what that is all about and this this method that you've come up with?
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Well, it wasn't a method. So maybe I need to fix up the website a little bit. But I found as I no longer need any additional coaching clients. You know, I have my my podcast and I decided that all the coaches that I've ever interviewed on my podcast can have a place on my website because I don't need the work.
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So why not let somebody go out and listen to their episode figure out I kind of like this person or you know, we have those things from history that core in just and it's just somebody's style might remind us of a bully at school.
So give them an opportunity to kind of feel out who the coaches are and then pick one that's right for them. And so I don't do anything. It's a completely 100% free to anybody that's been on my show.
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They can put their information out there. And it's just a resource for them. So I have I choose to silence my inner bully.
And that's how I coach my clients is what is that thing that we're saying to ourselves that's mean that that isn't taking care of ourselves and change that up to a friendly voice. It's not getting rid of the voice. It's changing it.
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It's like becoming your best friend. And if I just fell down and people around me are laughing. What would your best friend do? We got this. Let me help you. Let's go.
But this doesn't matter. But we might go, oh my gosh, I'm a clots. Everybody thinks I'm immediate. I am not going to be able to make it through the day because they saw me fall down and I have this dirt on my shirt.
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You know, we think about it and we over analyze when it didn't even matter. And our best friends wouldn't let us do that. And so my coaching method is how do we view our family to ourselves?
Beautiful. Beautiful. Simple. It is. And it's just changing like the words we say like one of the first things to say is stop saying sorry.
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I walk into a meeting light and it's like thank you for waiting for me.
Or thank you for, you know, starting without me. What is it? I used to say sorry to the wall. Come on. The wall didn't even know it did anything, but I run into it.
So it's where is it where I can take the shame that I learned as a child and turn it into command presents.
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Like if someone calls you as a customer service at rap and you're like, oh, I'm so sorry that helps that that happened to you.
Your technology.
We did something wrong.
And they say, oh my gosh, thank you so much for bringing that to our attention so that we can fix this from happening again.
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What is the difference? And that's how we need to start talking to ourselves. I don't want to be shameful.
I want to be appreciative and and learn from it and to focus on the good. Why do we always look for the bad?
I try to always find one thing good. If someone starts to piss me off and like a grocery store or a waitress or someone's really bugging me, it's like, what can I think of good at them?
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What can I think good? Okay, that's a really cute shoes or you know, what what is it? Change my thought process to be a thought process is more positive.
I really appreciate that because at the end of the day, okay, so we're all we're all brought up.
We're all brought up to believe that the external world is what makes our world.
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When you have discovered that it's your internal world that makes the world.
It is such a simple switch, but now we've been conditioned for so long to expect or whatever gratification to come from the outside world.
How long will I want it to take you to make that switch?
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Oh, you know what? It's one thing at a time and I'm still switching. I'm not perfect. I still have stuff that I think about and I get frustrated.
Or I feel like I'm having a sad day and I try to pretend like I am the sunshine and my body is on the earth.
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And it might be a cloudy day, but I am still shiny.
It might be rainy and miserable, but I am still shiny. It's like my experience, this body is this earth, but I never stop shiny.
And if I can remember that, it's like, okay, let the shine through, not the rain, not the wind.
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Those are going to happen, but remember that you're still shiny.
I'm happy that you say you're not perfect because people listen to, right? I mean, people listen to someone like yourself who has grown so much through your experiences and has gained so much wisdom.
And we think that they walk on water, right? So it's really comforting to know that you're still one of us.
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You're not perfect, but I do a few things perfectly. You just might not see them.
Well, I, you can even make mistakes perfectly.
Yeah, I do think that so many women, especially hold themselves to this idea of perfectionism and people pleasing.
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Like you said, saying sorry, like it's the second word in our vocabulary.
To me, it kind of feels like a programming to stay complicit.
And I think I struggle with the idea of external and internal forces in that there are many people in the world at different levels of power and influence.
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And I feel that the people who have a great deal of power and influence know that they can influence the external world.
And it isn't something that just happens to them. They are an active agent in what shapes, interactions, people's lives, people's decisions.
And sometimes I feel that when women see or focus on changing solely our internal dialogue, although I do believe that is the most important thing to change.
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And sometimes what's like left or like the baby with the bath water is what you can influence externally.
And what is within your power to use your voice and change what gets shared publicly into the world.
And so, you know, I, in hearing your experience and, you know, being a workaholic for many, many years and having the pivotal moments in your life that as you've described as a call, a calling to a different state of self, state of awareness.
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And it sounds to me like almost like a shedding of this kind of people pleasing over apologetic workaholic into a different chapter of yourself.
And so, who do you feel is that person who rose out of the ashes, so to speak, of that workaholic that once was and is the woman that, you know, as you said, you're still working on.
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But what are some of the elements of her that you feel are different?
I think the biggest thing that I feel like is at my core is giving people hope.
You know, we're all at a spot.
Nobody is completely satisfied with their life because there's so many moments of other people's lives to compare it to.
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And that you don't see their minutes or their seconds that we see of ourselves.
And as you're doing all this, you it's like, there's hope.
You know, you can't get rid of the jerks.
You're going to have them.
But you're going to experience it.
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It's, I look at it as like washing my windows.
You know, I can let them go for three years and they're kind of hard to see out when I want, when I was and was like, wow, I should have done that months ago.
But guess what? In three days, they're dirty again.
You know, they don't stay clean.
And this work is taking care of washing the window over and over and over again.
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And I can get tiring. It's like, I thought I learned my lesson on that. It is here. It is again.
I call them the pop quizzes. They're just making sure you're really learned it.
You know, it's not that they're trying to teach it to you.
There's like, did you really learn it?
And that's what's important is knowing we experience these things over and over again so that we can really learn it.
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I think that's a beautiful segue into a question we love to ask our guests on this show.
Is there a story or a narrative, a perception of one of our words or all three of the virgin, the beauty and the bitch that resonates with you, maybe where you were, where you are now.
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Your thoughts on on that.
For me, I'm going to use the bitch because I've been that person so much.
And sometimes it still kind of hunts me that I don't know those people that I could when I say don't say sorry, it doesn't mean don't own up to what you did around.
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And there's people out there. I don't know how to say sorry to you. They're gone.
And so I feel bad that I was that moment in time.
I once lived right by this one of my kids were toddlers, a bus stop.
And there were these boys out front and they were kicking a glass bottle around.
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And I'm like in the house doing like, oh my god, it's going to break in our driveway. And then I'm going to have to clean it up.
And guess who went out to meet the boys?
The bitch. And it was like, here's a broom.
Here's a dust pan. Clean it up because it had busted in our driveway.
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And then for the rest of my life, I knew that every time those boys could trope by that house, the bitch lives there.
And you just go, it was a moment. I've been beautiful for moments. I've been a virgin for moments.
They've been all these things for moments. But the ones that hunt me are the bitch.
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That is profound for us, Heather and I, because bitches are word that we are drilling down to understand more.
Hearing your story, I hear a woman who had a concern, who had a premonition that something bad is going to happen because of this behavior.
So she went out to mitigate it.
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But then you call yourself a bitch for mitigating something that you believed was not going to be good if you just let them be who they were.
It's interesting that you see that person as the bitch.
Well, I am responsible for how I deliver the message.
You are responsible for how you receive it.
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That message was not delivered with kindness. It wasn't delivered with I understand your boy and you're having fun.
It was I just want you to change and you're screwing up my life for good right now.
And you guys are hoodlums. Well, they didn't need to hear that.
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So it's the way I chose to deliver it. It wasn't the general message or the feet, you know, what I really wanted to portray.
I wanted to destroy them at the moment. You guys are idiot kids.
I was the idiot young mother. But it's when I have chosen, you know, it's and what is a bitch?
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You know, it's a female dog. Why do we call that a bitch because when it's protecting its puppies, it's delicious.
It will keep you away. It will control how you get past a certain case.
That's what I was.
Thanks for that explanation. I mean, as I said, it's a word that we are going to be definitely focusing a great deal of attention on.
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And there's there's subtleties. It's not just this word and it means X. There's subtleties to this word.
So your explanation helps us a great deal in understanding what was behind the message and how it was delivered.
And that's what you are now regretting, so to speak. So I really appreciate you explaining that.
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Yeah, I would love to be able to deliver all messages with kindness. I'm still working on it.
I really appreciate, you know, the sentiment behind that in a world where, you know, certainly we could use more kindness.
And I think the elements of the bitch that Christopher and I explore and as he said, there's so many different layers and so much conditioning of what we believe the bitch is.
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And also a lot of society, you know, us not wanting to be painted with that brush and will avoid it at all cost any any behavior that could paint us with that name that we would avoid it because we don't want to be labeled with that word.
I mean, what's under the surface for Christopher and I is, you know, as you said, that female dog who is protecting her young and she's going to be fierce in how she does so.
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Sometimes when we are called on with other people's actions or perhaps an injustice in the world or just something we're very passionate about, that there is a place in this world for women's anger.
If you're feeling something inside that doesn't feel right and you need to articulate, you know, that it's stepping over a boundary for you, that it's, it is disrupting, you know, as in this circumstance, you know, your life and you need people to address that they're affecting you, that there is a really important part of the bitch that that is essential for standing up for ourselves.
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And I feel that, you know, I agree with you, the delivery of a message is so key, but, you know, part of my personal journey is to not lose sight of when I need to be assertive and when I need to be adamant and even when I need to be angry because I've felt that the apologetic people pleasing conditioned girl can sometimes get so much more positive.
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And I can sometimes get society's applause for being what it wants us to be, which is complicit. The bitch gets her life back. The bitch gets what she wants out of life because she's able to say it.
That's why I love hearing people's responses to these words because they do run so deep in, in, in how, how we present ourselves in the world and how we advocate for ourselves or others in the world.
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So, so thank you for, for sharing, you know, your, your moments of when you felt, you know, that bitch coming through.
So, let me tell you one other thing though, we were talking about that voice. How many times in your life did someone raise their voice at you and you tuned them out and had they have said, hey, I have this thing I want to talk to you about, let's chat.
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Would it have changed your ability to listen to them? For me, someone's coming at me an anger, not my problem. I don't, I kind of push it off. I kind of, a walk away because I didn't create the anger.
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I didn't create that issue. I understand that there's this whoever in the world you want to be mad at whether it's our governments or the next door neighbor because they water your lawn or, you know, whatever you want to be angry that that's okay.
You're not going to get it fixed unless you experience that because you're going to be complacent. But does the first time have to be aggressive and if you know how mama dogs do it, the first time is an earth.
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The second time is an earth. And the next time it's a physical, I'm going to put you down. I give myself the opportunity to try the earth first.
The thing is though, even with the abbreviated short soft, some people will interpret that the same way as the physical take down.
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And we can't control that part. So that's their response. And you know, you could be the kindest person back to that word love and say something that triggers that person and it wasn't meant that way.
They're going to take it. You cannot change your delivery for everybody just because everybody's different. But you can try. If you know what their trigger points are, you can avoid it.
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And that's why we start with ourselves. We know our trigger points. And if you don't, you're going to find them out pretty soon.
Definitely, definitely.
Laura, this has been truly enlightening. We've covered some really some really fertile ground on this conversation. We really appreciate that if your website, as you say, it's resource for other coaches to get their word out.
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We'd love to share that with our audience as well. So please go ahead.
Yes, I have two websites. I have larjane latent.com and the larjane latent show.com. And one of them is just my podcast and the other one is the coaching and the support.
So they they interact with one another, but you can find me. I'm only on LinkedIn. So I don't do a lot of social media that you can also find me there at larjane latent.
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Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate what you do and how you do it.
And the dog noise.
I don't think we can do it with that. That's nature.
And you have been listening to The Virgin, The Beauty and the Bitch, in all of her forms.
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(00:02):
Beauty.
Bitch.
Podcast.
Inspiring women to overcome social stereotypes and share unique life experiences without fear
of being defiantly different.
Your hosts.
Christopher and Heather.
Let's talk, shall we?
Snow White,
the live action movie came out earlier this year.
(00:24):
Under clouds of controversy.
And it failed spectacularly.
However, there's a timeless theme in Snow White that every woman can identify with.
It's looking in the mirror each morning with a wish to be the fairest of them all.
Or at least the fairest you can be.
But does this simple message in gesture set women on a path for external validation when the true measure of personal value comes not from looking in a mirror, but from looking within?
(00:55):
It's a question we raise with Personal Life Coach Laura Jane Layton.
Welcome Laura to Virgin Beauty Bitch.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
We are very, very happy to have you.
Now Laura, reading into your life story, there's a powerful statement describing your former life, which I believe most, if not all women, can identify with.
(01:18):
And that is, in your words, a desire for external validation, the weight of others' expectations, the burden of self-hate and the yearning for a different life.
What do you believe sets you up for a life that sounds so profoundly burdensome?
You know, we all have that stuff happen.
(01:40):
And I think it's to give a strength, you know, to, as we're going through it, it's crap.
I don't want this to happen.
I wanted to stop.
But when you reflect years later, it's like, oh, that was my strongest moment.
Oh, that was when I did this.
I can reflect back and go, wow, I did something really cool.
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And I'm a better person because of it.
And so even though we have all these crazy things that hit us in the face, and you know, it's all that upbringing, you know, if you want to be like, you need to act like this.
If you want to be loved, you need to act like this.
And we have these things that are told to us that we need to be like. And we honestly think it's true.
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And like I can't, I tell my clients create your own measuring stick.
It's you do not need to measure up to somebody else's definition of success.
What is yours?
What do you want to be successful at?
And so it's finding those things that I've gone through that have just made me feel worthless at the moment.
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But in that long run, gave me the greatest strength.
You know, it's like, how many times do I need to hit rock bottom? Come on, I'm done.
What, what, where did the switch come?
Where did the change come?
Where, where, the point where you hit the bottom that, that one time, and you said no more.
What happened there?
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You know, I wasn't paying attention to my own check engine lights.
I was having things happen within my body that was saying slow down.
Don't do this.
But I thought, you know, I'll just rev it up.
I'm going to keep going because once I hit that gas pedal, the light goes off and it's gone.
(03:42):
So it must not really be anything. And then you end up in the hospital, you know, it's like if someone ever would have said, you know, could you give me $400,000 and lay in bed for three days?
Because that's what you need to do.
Like, no, I don't have that money and I don't have that time.
But when it hits you, you have the money and you have the time.
(04:08):
And so that experience taught me to do it before.
And why do most of us wait until it slapped us in the face?
And it's some major thing that's saying, okay, life is more important than ignoring all these things that are going on.
And so it was that experience of having to be physically fixed by somebody else that put me in the no longer.
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I'm not going to let someone else tell me that I can't leave the office until my work's done.
I don't leave when I'm ready.
I'm going to do it my way.
And that stubborn person got even more stubborn.
I mean, what I hear from you and Andrew's story and something that really resonates with me is the concept of the hustle was a lie.
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That we live in this culture where we're no longer human beings, we're human doings.
And the more output or productivity that you have, the more value you are to your company, to, you know, the systems of power.
To the person at the top of the chain who's ultimately making quite a bit of money off of your work.
(05:30):
So what do you feel is the lie behind hustle culture that no one really wants to admit?
You know, the lie is that it's the only way to be successful.
You can be successful doing it another way, but I, you know, I struggled through school getting good grades.
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I struggled measuring up to all these other people's expectations.
And then all of a sudden it's like, does it even matter?
Does it really matter? No.
What that person wants is their movie to be better. So I just step out of it.
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I can do this myself. I can do my own movie and bring in the people that I want to shine with.
And so I think, you know, knowing that I can be an extra in somebody else's movie or I can be the director of mine.
And I'm choosing now to be the director of mine.
When you're working with clients, I'm not sure if you're working with primarily men or primarily women.
(06:42):
I don't have any men at the time.
I think women have a more desire to get out there and fix themselves.
Why is that? Why do you believe that is?
I don't know. I don't know, but I find that more women are interested in exploring.
(07:07):
I'm going to call it the woo. You know that, that not scientific.
This is how everything's going to work. But that what maybe might work.
You know, all these modalities that are not scientific.
That do make you feel better. You know, and if it makes you feel better, do it.
(07:31):
And I think, well, and I'll just use my husband example. He doesn't want to do those things.
You know, he feels like it's embarrassing. It's like I invited him to go to a retreat with me.
And it's like, are there going to be any other guys there?
Like I'm not interested if it's all women. And I go, I don't know. I didn't sign up because it was a girl only event.
(07:59):
So I just the people I personally know are those people that say no.
And so I just assume that it's further out than that. And that's my bad.
You know, there's some amazing guys out there that want to heal their insights.
So for like I see it sometimes. I mean, we talk about we use words like patriarchy and so on.
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I see like a like a playground that was built by boys and girls are just expected to adapt to it.
All right. Is that is that what you're finding?
I mean, if you have to adapt to someone else's process, does that not make you wanting all the time?
(08:44):
It did me. Absolutely. It did me. And I know people that are very happy pleasing other people.
But it got to the point where there was no me in my life anymore.
I felt very robotic. You cannot have emotions. You cannot have any fun.
(09:06):
You just got to get all this stuff done. And you get up early and you know that my biggest freedom thing was when my kids finally could drive.
And I no longer had to be taxi.
I was like, yes.
And then maybe the kids are like, oh, he's filed. He got his own car.
No, his mom quit doing a job.
(09:31):
So it's like, what is that? You know, I could worry about what other parents were thinking is like this helps me.
This is for me. And that's kind of where I think all of us need to be is what is it that's going to help you.
And tuning into it. What you know, because we're all different.
(09:52):
You know, I could tell somebody I love you and they could immediately climb up and go.
I don't want to be loved. That means you're going to beat me later.
You know, because of their history.
And so how do we get out of that history and accept like, oh, it's okay not to express certain words to people that trigger them.
(10:17):
Like we love fireworks. But what does it do to our PSDB?
You know, our people that hate them, they can't take it. It's it's war to them.
And it's knowing that I can give other people a safe place to be who they are without anything else getting in the way.
(10:38):
And I think that's what my goal in life and my mission is to give others a safe place, a place where they can be who they are and learn and explore about them to become their best self.
So what is that for you? How does that work for you? Obviously, as you say, every individual is different.
(11:04):
How do you find what is going to connect that person to their outcome that they are hoping to define?
I don't find it. I just asked lots of questions.
And I think that as we ask questions and allow people to have the time to reflect and to come up with the answer and not just a bullshit answer that sounds good right now.
(11:29):
But what is it that is really going on and how do I how do I fix it?
You know, I can tell you external things. You can't change. You can't change how it's going to come to you. You can only change how you respond.
(11:50):
And I will tell you a little story about that is I guess it's so mad at my husband because you take the garbage out and he wouldn't put a garbage bag in.
I was like, can't you just put a garbage bag in because now I'm putting garbage down and I have to put this in. And years go by and I'm always mad at my husband for this one stupid thing.
(12:12):
So one day I decided it's my job.
He I never have to ask him to take the garbage out. Why do I think he has to do it all?
I should be thankful that he did the job one and I'll put the garbage second. So if he comes in he says, oh I forgot to put a garbage and don't worry about it. It's my job.
It's like I got this. I am now taking something that triggered me weekly if not multiple times a week as, God can't you just do it?
(12:43):
It's okay now. And by changing my response and my expectation I change your relationship. Well, you know, we have to do that. Lots of stuff. It wasn't just one thing.
But that's a simple one that people could identify with. What is it? Like, oh crap, you left the crop.
The drawer open to this boons again. Can he not shut it? It's my job to shut them. It's okay. It's not worth a divorce or hating each other. I can fix it. I can let I can do that part.
(13:17):
And so it's like, let's grow together.
Well, I am looking at your website and and what you have brought forward. You've developed the BFF coaching method. And you know BFF makes me think, you know, best friends forever.
But in this context, it means being your own best friend. Can you walk us through like what that is all about and this this method that you've come up with?
(13:47):
Well, it wasn't a method. So maybe I need to fix up the website a little bit. But I found as I no longer need any additional coaching clients. You know, I have my my podcast and I decided that all the coaches that I've ever interviewed on my podcast can have a place on my website because I don't need the work.
(14:08):
So why not let somebody go out and listen to their episode figure out I kind of like this person or you know, we have those things from history that core in just and it's just somebody's style might remind us of a bully at school.
So give them an opportunity to kind of feel out who the coaches are and then pick one that's right for them. And so I don't do anything. It's a completely 100% free to anybody that's been on my show.
(14:38):
They can put their information out there. And it's just a resource for them. So I have I choose to silence my inner bully.
And that's how I coach my clients is what is that thing that we're saying to ourselves that's mean that that isn't taking care of ourselves and change that up to a friendly voice. It's not getting rid of the voice. It's changing it.
(15:04):
It's like becoming your best friend. And if I just fell down and people around me are laughing. What would your best friend do? We got this. Let me help you. Let's go.
But this doesn't matter. But we might go, oh my gosh, I'm a clots. Everybody thinks I'm immediate. I am not going to be able to make it through the day because they saw me fall down and I have this dirt on my shirt.
(15:29):
You know, we think about it and we over analyze when it didn't even matter. And our best friends wouldn't let us do that. And so my coaching method is how do we view our family to ourselves?
Beautiful. Beautiful. Simple. It is. And it's just changing like the words we say like one of the first things to say is stop saying sorry.
(15:55):
I walk into a meeting light and it's like thank you for waiting for me.
Or thank you for, you know, starting without me. What is it? I used to say sorry to the wall. Come on. The wall didn't even know it did anything, but I run into it.
So it's where is it where I can take the shame that I learned as a child and turn it into command presents.
(16:17):
Like if someone calls you as a customer service at rap and you're like, oh, I'm so sorry that helps that that happened to you.
Your technology.
We did something wrong.
And they say, oh my gosh, thank you so much for bringing that to our attention so that we can fix this from happening again.
(16:40):
What is the difference? And that's how we need to start talking to ourselves. I don't want to be shameful.
I want to be appreciative and and learn from it and to focus on the good. Why do we always look for the bad?
I try to always find one thing good. If someone starts to piss me off and like a grocery store or a waitress or someone's really bugging me, it's like, what can I think of good at them?
(17:08):
What can I think good? Okay, that's a really cute shoes or you know, what what is it? Change my thought process to be a thought process is more positive.
I really appreciate that because at the end of the day, okay, so we're all we're all brought up.
We're all brought up to believe that the external world is what makes our world.
(17:34):
When you have discovered that it's your internal world that makes the world.
It is such a simple switch, but now we've been conditioned for so long to expect or whatever gratification to come from the outside world.
How long will I want it to take you to make that switch?
(17:59):
Oh, you know what? It's one thing at a time and I'm still switching. I'm not perfect. I still have stuff that I think about and I get frustrated.
Or I feel like I'm having a sad day and I try to pretend like I am the sunshine and my body is on the earth.
(18:24):
And it might be a cloudy day, but I am still shiny.
It might be rainy and miserable, but I am still shiny. It's like my experience, this body is this earth, but I never stop shiny.
And if I can remember that, it's like, okay, let the shine through, not the rain, not the wind.
(18:47):
Those are going to happen, but remember that you're still shiny.
I'm happy that you say you're not perfect because people listen to, right? I mean, people listen to someone like yourself who has grown so much through your experiences and has gained so much wisdom.
And we think that they walk on water, right? So it's really comforting to know that you're still one of us.
(19:16):
You're not perfect, but I do a few things perfectly. You just might not see them.
Well, I, you can even make mistakes perfectly.
Yeah, I do think that so many women, especially hold themselves to this idea of perfectionism and people pleasing.
(19:42):
Like you said, saying sorry, like it's the second word in our vocabulary.
To me, it kind of feels like a programming to stay complicit.
And I think I struggle with the idea of external and internal forces in that there are many people in the world at different levels of power and influence.
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And I feel that the people who have a great deal of power and influence know that they can influence the external world.
And it isn't something that just happens to them. They are an active agent in what shapes, interactions, people's lives, people's decisions.
And sometimes I feel that when women see or focus on changing solely our internal dialogue, although I do believe that is the most important thing to change.
(20:40):
And sometimes what's like left or like the baby with the bath water is what you can influence externally.
And what is within your power to use your voice and change what gets shared publicly into the world.
And so, you know, I, in hearing your experience and, you know, being a workaholic for many, many years and having the pivotal moments in your life that as you've described as a call, a calling to a different state of self, state of awareness.
(21:21):
And it sounds to me like almost like a shedding of this kind of people pleasing over apologetic workaholic into a different chapter of yourself.
And so, who do you feel is that person who rose out of the ashes, so to speak, of that workaholic that once was and is the woman that, you know, as you said, you're still working on.
(21:47):
But what are some of the elements of her that you feel are different?
I think the biggest thing that I feel like is at my core is giving people hope.
You know, we're all at a spot.
Nobody is completely satisfied with their life because there's so many moments of other people's lives to compare it to.
(22:15):
And that you don't see their minutes or their seconds that we see of ourselves.
And as you're doing all this, you it's like, there's hope.
You know, you can't get rid of the jerks.
You're going to have them.
But you're going to experience it.
(22:37):
It's, I look at it as like washing my windows.
You know, I can let them go for three years and they're kind of hard to see out when I want, when I was and was like, wow, I should have done that months ago.
But guess what? In three days, they're dirty again.
You know, they don't stay clean.
And this work is taking care of washing the window over and over and over again.
(23:03):
And I can get tiring. It's like, I thought I learned my lesson on that. It is here. It is again.
I call them the pop quizzes. They're just making sure you're really learned it.
You know, it's not that they're trying to teach it to you.
There's like, did you really learn it?
And that's what's important is knowing we experience these things over and over again so that we can really learn it.
(23:28):
I think that's a beautiful segue into a question we love to ask our guests on this show.
Is there a story or a narrative, a perception of one of our words or all three of the virgin, the beauty and the bitch that resonates with you, maybe where you were, where you are now.
(23:54):
Your thoughts on on that.
For me, I'm going to use the bitch because I've been that person so much.
And sometimes it still kind of hunts me that I don't know those people that I could when I say don't say sorry, it doesn't mean don't own up to what you did around.
(24:19):
And there's people out there. I don't know how to say sorry to you. They're gone.
And so I feel bad that I was that moment in time.
I once lived right by this one of my kids were toddlers, a bus stop.
And there were these boys out front and they were kicking a glass bottle around.
(24:42):
And I'm like in the house doing like, oh my god, it's going to break in our driveway. And then I'm going to have to clean it up.
And guess who went out to meet the boys?
The bitch. And it was like, here's a broom.
Here's a dust pan. Clean it up because it had busted in our driveway.
(25:05):
And then for the rest of my life, I knew that every time those boys could trope by that house, the bitch lives there.
And you just go, it was a moment. I've been beautiful for moments. I've been a virgin for moments.
They've been all these things for moments. But the ones that hunt me are the bitch.
(25:30):
That is profound for us, Heather and I, because bitches are word that we are drilling down to understand more.
Hearing your story, I hear a woman who had a concern, who had a premonition that something bad is going to happen because of this behavior.
So she went out to mitigate it.
(25:53):
But then you call yourself a bitch for mitigating something that you believed was not going to be good if you just let them be who they were.
It's interesting that you see that person as the bitch.
Well, I am responsible for how I deliver the message.
You are responsible for how you receive it.
(26:16):
That message was not delivered with kindness. It wasn't delivered with I understand your boy and you're having fun.
It was I just want you to change and you're screwing up my life for good right now.
And you guys are hoodlums. Well, they didn't need to hear that.
(26:37):
So it's the way I chose to deliver it. It wasn't the general message or the feet, you know, what I really wanted to portray.
I wanted to destroy them at the moment. You guys are idiot kids.
I was the idiot young mother. But it's when I have chosen, you know, it's and what is a bitch?
(26:59):
You know, it's a female dog. Why do we call that a bitch because when it's protecting its puppies, it's delicious.
It will keep you away. It will control how you get past a certain case.
That's what I was.
Thanks for that explanation. I mean, as I said, it's a word that we are going to be definitely focusing a great deal of attention on.
(27:25):
And there's there's subtleties. It's not just this word and it means X. There's subtleties to this word.
So your explanation helps us a great deal in understanding what was behind the message and how it was delivered.
And that's what you are now regretting, so to speak. So I really appreciate you explaining that.
(27:51):
Yeah, I would love to be able to deliver all messages with kindness. I'm still working on it.
I really appreciate, you know, the sentiment behind that in a world where, you know, certainly we could use more kindness.
And I think the elements of the bitch that Christopher and I explore and as he said, there's so many different layers and so much conditioning of what we believe the bitch is.
(28:21):
And also a lot of society, you know, us not wanting to be painted with that brush and will avoid it at all cost any any behavior that could paint us with that name that we would avoid it because we don't want to be labeled with that word.
I mean, what's under the surface for Christopher and I is, you know, as you said, that female dog who is protecting her young and she's going to be fierce in how she does so.
(28:50):
Sometimes when we are called on with other people's actions or perhaps an injustice in the world or just something we're very passionate about, that there is a place in this world for women's anger.
If you're feeling something inside that doesn't feel right and you need to articulate, you know, that it's stepping over a boundary for you, that it's, it is disrupting, you know, as in this circumstance, you know, your life and you need people to address that they're affecting you, that there is a really important part of the bitch that that is essential for standing up for ourselves.
(29:34):
And I feel that, you know, I agree with you, the delivery of a message is so key, but, you know, part of my personal journey is to not lose sight of when I need to be assertive and when I need to be adamant and even when I need to be angry because I've felt that the apologetic people pleasing conditioned girl can sometimes get so much more positive.
(30:03):
And I can sometimes get society's applause for being what it wants us to be, which is complicit. The bitch gets her life back. The bitch gets what she wants out of life because she's able to say it.
That's why I love hearing people's responses to these words because they do run so deep in, in, in how, how we present ourselves in the world and how we advocate for ourselves or others in the world.
(30:33):
So, so thank you for, for sharing, you know, your, your moments of when you felt, you know, that bitch coming through.
So, let me tell you one other thing though, we were talking about that voice. How many times in your life did someone raise their voice at you and you tuned them out and had they have said, hey, I have this thing I want to talk to you about, let's chat.
(31:01):
Would it have changed your ability to listen to them? For me, someone's coming at me an anger, not my problem. I don't, I kind of push it off. I kind of, a walk away because I didn't create the anger.
(31:23):
I didn't create that issue. I understand that there's this whoever in the world you want to be mad at whether it's our governments or the next door neighbor because they water your lawn or, you know, whatever you want to be angry that that's okay.
You're not going to get it fixed unless you experience that because you're going to be complacent. But does the first time have to be aggressive and if you know how mama dogs do it, the first time is an earth.
(31:59):
The second time is an earth. And the next time it's a physical, I'm going to put you down. I give myself the opportunity to try the earth first.
The thing is though, even with the abbreviated short soft, some people will interpret that the same way as the physical take down.
(32:26):
And we can't control that part. So that's their response. And you know, you could be the kindest person back to that word love and say something that triggers that person and it wasn't meant that way.
They're going to take it. You cannot change your delivery for everybody just because everybody's different. But you can try. If you know what their trigger points are, you can avoid it.
(32:52):
And that's why we start with ourselves. We know our trigger points. And if you don't, you're going to find them out pretty soon.
Definitely, definitely.
Laura, this has been truly enlightening. We've covered some really some really fertile ground on this conversation. We really appreciate that if your website, as you say, it's resource for other coaches to get their word out.
(33:25):
We'd love to share that with our audience as well. So please go ahead.
Yes, I have two websites. I have larjane latent.com and the larjane latent show.com. And one of them is just my podcast and the other one is the coaching and the support.
So they they interact with one another, but you can find me. I'm only on LinkedIn. So I don't do a lot of social media that you can also find me there at larjane latent.
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Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate what you do and how you do it.
And the dog noise.
I don't think we can do it with that. That's nature.
And you have been listening to The Virgin, The Beauty and the Bitch, in all of her forms.
(34:30):
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Until next time, thanks for listening.
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