June 2, 2025 • 27 mins
In 2024, a contest was created to promote the most beautiful women the world has ever seen. The competition is the brainchild of the World AI Creators Awards (WAICAS). As the name suggests, real women need not apply, as all contestants are AI-generated personalities admired for their pixelated perfection.
We - Christopher & Heather - were curious, so we discussed where this idea would push already unrealistic standards and ideals set for beauty that women have been burdened to meet or at least keep up with in exchange for social status, attention, or affection.
To justify some of the skepticism about these AI-generated beauty contestants only being boy toy fantasies, contestants are being judged based on three criteria: aesthetic beauty, the technical skill that went into creating them, and their online and business clout. In some cases, that includes contestants with over 250,000 followers on Instagram and employment earnings in the neighbourhood of up to $10,840 a month, or on average $3,252 monthly, working as virtual models for clothing and jewelry companies.
Virtual or not, the impact of AI models is real, but will the standards these models set around "what is beauty and who is beautiful," which are already unrealistic and unattainable for most real women, become even more exhausting?
We - Christopher & Heather - were curious, so we discussed where this idea would push already unrealistic standards and ideals set for beauty that women have been burdened to meet or at least keep up with in exchange for social status, attention, or affection.
To justify some of the skepticism about these AI-generated beauty contestants only being boy toy fantasies, contestants are being judged based on three criteria: aesthetic beauty, the technical skill that went into creating them, and their online and business clout. In some cases, that includes contestants with over 250,000 followers on Instagram and employment earnings in the neighbourhood of up to $10,840 a month, or on average $3,252 monthly, working as virtual models for clothing and jewelry companies.
Virtual or not, the impact of AI models is real, but will the standards these models set around "what is beauty and who is beautiful," which are already unrealistic and unattainable for most real women, become even more exhausting?
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Virgin, beauty, bitch, podcast, inspiring women to overcome social stereotypes and share
(00:09):
unique life experiences without fear of being defiantly different.
Your hosts, Christopher and Heather, let's talk, shall we?
Today we're here to talk about AI because AI is ever on the rise.
I think everybody's found a new bestie in Chat GBT for better or for worse.
(00:33):
And Christopher and I have had many fun conversations on that, the good, the bad and the ugly.
But we always kind of come at our show and these topics, not bearing our head in the sand
of what is or what will be, but to rise to the occasion of the circumstances that we're
in and also what lay on the horizon.
(00:55):
So what piqued our interest for today's show was around the new knowledge of a first ever
Miss AI 2025, the first ever global beauty pageant for AI generated women.
These aren't avatars of real women or digital makeovers.
(01:19):
They are fully invented personas created by artificial intelligence, curated to appeal
to current beauty trends and it's building a massive audience.
So just when you first hear that Christopher, what first comes to mind for you?
Terminator.
(01:40):
Right?
We get to a point where the machine has its own consciousness and its own beliefs and
its own goals and it regrades itself in many different ways.
So why not this as a precursor to bigger things?
(02:00):
Start with the thing that society seems to value in women.
Let's start there and then build up from there.
Right.
Find something that's palatable.
You know, the ever raised bar of women's beauty.
So while we're at it, we can chop down a woman's sense of body pride or beauty pride to build
(02:26):
up on things that we already know are unattainable, unrealistic expectations of beauty and make
it just completely fabricated and still something that you want for yourself as a woman or perhaps
as a man for what you're attracted to if you're into women.
It feels surreal to me and definitely eerie, but it's worth a real conversation because
(02:52):
if digital women are winning titles and brand deals, what does that mean for real women?
And how do we stay empowered, informed and confident as we face this title wave of new
technology?
So to go into that a little further, I want to start by chatting about what Miss AI actually
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is.
So it's a global beauty competition hosted by the World AI Creator Awards where contestants
are entirely digital.
They aren't filters slapped on selfies.
These are synthetic personalities built from scratch with tools from Mid-Journey, Dal
(03:37):
E and Photoshop with no real human bodies involved.
And what's fascinating is how these digital women are engineered to hit every note of what
our current culture calls beautiful.
Let me ask you this.
If you were to guess and you're looking at a room of creators, people who are creating
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these identities.
How many women do you believe are in that room?
For real identities?
No, who are creators of these identities?
The person who is building the code?
Hmm.
Oh yeah.
Gosh, I mean, I feel like this is almost taken on a life of its own in a certain way because
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you know, you've got people of all genders who are in the tech world.
I mean, we hear mostly about tech bros.
So in a lot of ways, I think it's tech bros that have contribute largely to where this is
heading.
But of course, there's women in every type of sector.
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So you know, I can't imagine that there's like a bunch like that there's women in these
rooms saying like, this is the next stage of our beauty evolution or one further mechanism
for us to explore the potential of AI.
(05:07):
I think that there was a desire within humanity's revolution, especially the technological revolution
that has driven us to this point of AI.
And this is one of the offspring of that desire.
So what I'm thinking is, okay, so there's bound to be women in that room, right?
(05:28):
Because women want to be included in everything moving forward that advances the human race.
That's been the fight to this point is to be included in everything.
So the women in that room, the women who would be in that room, I'm trying to think, what
is their mindset?
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Is there conflict in their mindset?
I mean, for a guy, he's just creating something he could admire or adore or whatever it might
be, but for a woman, is it the same mindset?
It is interesting to try to put myself into one of their shoes to say, you know, what is
the mindset when they know that this is one of the pieces or again, like offshoots of what
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they've been creating, because I would stand behind that I want women in every space to
be able to ensure that gender lens and like that their ideas and their contributions
are part of how we are driving forward as a society.
So I wonder if some of them, you know, are part of the influencers online that are saying,
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trying to call into question to keep human women, I guess, and all of us, all genders, thinking
about what does this mean for our self-reflection?
What does it mean for how we view ourselves, how we view women?
Because, you know, it doesn't help any of us to say that we reject that AI is coming and
(07:00):
that it's come to this point, because it is going to continue to evolve whether we want
it to or not.
So how do we keep our own minds and in check around still deciphering what the next step
is with AI?
Because it will, I believe, you know, as you've already said, Christopher, the offshoots
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of this is going to be pretty deep, pretty fast, especially when, you know, deep porn is
already alive and well.
And, you know, this is just the beginning of what's possible with AI.
I can only imagine how realistic it will be in even five years from now when it already
is so realistic today.
So what I'm thinking is, okay, so you're a woman in that room, you're a part of this competition,
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right?
Are you creating an image that is like you, that is normal like you, that is average like
you, or are you creating something to compete with the men that is super woman?
She has all the attributes that appeal to men.
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Hmm.
Hmm.
Well, at race is what these contestants will be judged on, because they're judged on
three things.
Their beauty, their social influence, and the quality of tech used to create them.
So it's a fusion of fashion, social media, and AI innovation.
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And some of these contestants already have hundreds of thousands of followers and brand sponsorship.
So I would lean towards any creator in that room who wants to win if you want to call
it that, appealing to the masses.
Yes.
And the masses being men.
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Or women who are beauty obsessed and garner through this AI beauty pageant, how they want,
how they view the direction of where beauty is going and want to bring that into their own
understanding of beauty.
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It's an interesting topic.
I still.
Who drives, who is it that drives the image that we believe is most beautiful?
Who, who is it, do women drive that?
Do men drive that?
As the implications go deeper than just digital art, it's images that reinforce hyper idealized
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beauty standards.
And not just for fun, these AI's are now becoming influencers, replacing models, gaining celebrity
status, and ultimately the creators behind them are the ones that can seek the dividends
from that sort of creation.
Of course, and you mentioned prior that maybe that takes the burden of beauty off of real
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women.
If they're replaced by AI beauty, do you see that ever coming to fruition?
I mean, it's, that's a reality that I still can't envision for us considering that there's
a calling based off of the work that we had done when we really digested beauty and its
(10:35):
origin and even its purpose and evolution, that there's something about the human condition
and perhaps the conditioning of many different species on this planet that that will continue
to be a driving force in how we see ourselves and how we see ourselves as either admirable
(10:56):
or desirable or so I think this just further extends a self hatred or a self critical
eye that you're not that level of perfection, which again makes no logical sense because
how can you be a generated perfection.
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But when Christopher and I were going a little bit more down the wormhole with this in seeing
how this can be paired with the future of robotics and how there already is robots who are women
in brothels in other areas of life.
If we do get to the point, which is still a stretch for my mind, where because of the patriarchal
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word that we live in and the potential of some men, some men wanting a robot woman that
they can program to say the things they want them to say, be the things they want them to
be, do the acts that they want them to do and that they would prefer having something
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that isn't a real human in order to just get what they want.
A scary thought to me, but the other back of my brain is thinking, okay, if those kind of
guys just want a robot to be with, that frees up women to not be with those kind of guys.
The painful part of that is that having dominance over a robot is different psychologically than
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having dominance over a real woman, another human being.
So you can live out your fantasies with the robot, but if your true motivation is dominance,
it has to be with another human being.
I think you are bang on with that, that there, as far as the psychological satisfaction
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that is desired in controlling behavior and dominance, there would be a, I would assume
a greater satisfaction from being able to do that with a human being, one that has capacity
to not be programmed.
I mean, I say that in knowing that people manipulate and gaslight people into a certain grooming
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consistently.
But the other thing that we're seeing somewhat of a rise of is the dominance and aggression
that is happening to these robot women, that there still is a satisfaction.
I'm going to say a sick satisfaction with hurting even their robot and that they're still
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getting something out of that because it looks enough like a woman and it acts enough like
a woman that they're still getting this feeling of male superiority or strength.
So we've been down this road before where men were the dominant, the dominant icon in society.
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They had all the power.
And in the way they treated women, women had re-belt and claimed their own agency.
So can this be, you know, the part in Terminator where the computer becomes its own person,
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its own individual self, has its own mind, is this kind of abuse to these robot women,
maybe the catalyst to bring on consciousness into the robotic form.
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So it's a repeat of history, women in flesh rebelling.
Now their burden being carried by robot women who may be in the future also rebelled and become
alive, become aware.
This is fascinating.
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It really is.
I mean, like that really sounds like their groundwork for Terminator.
When you've pushed real woman to the edge where she fights back and she's not taking that
crap no more and she will not be abused, she will not be hurt.
And then, you know, the evolution of the robotic mind to be able to also feel that that type
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of or any type of abuse is wrong and having the consciousness or awareness in order to
call that out and go against your programming.
Yes.
Which we have seen in some movies, by the way, there are some short films out there that are
doing exactly this.
They've played this out in their minds already.
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So, you know, perhaps that, for those guys out there who are like that, you know, eventually
whether a woman human or a woman robot not going to put up with that crap.
It's interesting that we are able to predict our future but we march into it, eyes closed
anyway.
I mean, I do want to kind of roll it back a little bit away from the abusive points and
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go back to the evolving state of beauty because let's be real.
Women have always been told what beauty is and we've always had to find something within
us or something culturally or something with other women to push back.
Do you think Christopher, this is just the next iteration of that reality?
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I'm just thinking it's beauty itself artificial.
You know, we did speak in our beauty series with someone who talked about Darwin's theories
and that beauty is tangible.
It is something that is innate that we search for in our relationships.
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So it is real.
It's how we have massaged and manicured it and built it to a point where it is unreachable
for the most part.
That is a part of it that deserves a push back to me.
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It's not that you're a beautiful person.
You have to reach a standard of what has been portrayed as beautiful in order to feel
that way about yourself or for others to feel that way about you.
That means the artificial part of beauty that we are struggling with and now we're taking
even further.
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Yeah, and it just makes me feel like all of us have kind of heard that beauty isn't skin
deep and how I'm feeling like it certainly isn't code.
As much as artificial beauty would want us to believe that it is.
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And you know, just to do a little shout out to our four part series on beauty, that was
the project, right, was to understand beyond the artificial beauty that we're so surrounded
by what are women doing to really garner a beauty within that is never skin deep.
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That's the struggle.
Is that you are as a girl, you're born into a world that has set a standard for what beautiful
is.
And it is your responsibility if you're to be loved to reach as close to that standard
artificial as it may be as you can in life.
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Like that is your program through your youth, through your young as a young woman, as
a mature woman that is constantly there, that treadmill that you must walk in order to
find the things that you desire or your heart, your soul desires most, which is to be loved.
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Yeah.
And when there's been all of these currents waging war within each one of us as a woman.
Yeah.
I mean, that makes us, that, it gives me some excitement for the project that Christopher
and I have been working on around the bitch.
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And, and I think that there's something really important in that aspect of women that can
help not succumb to these currents that have been picking away at our, our self worth for
so long.
And I think it's a big question and big conversation today because, you know, we've chatted a little
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bit about AI influencers, AI beauty pageants.
We're also in a world of women robots and digital girlfriends.
So I mean, I'm trying to reflect on where does that leave me right now in today's conversation
because what I want to get to is in this ever growing artificial intelligence, artificial
(20:40):
beauty world that we're in, what is within my power to be able to reclaim space?
Because while tech can mimic or even lead what the beauty standard is, for me, it can't
replace presents.
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It can't replace the depth of my wild, fully human self.
And it sounds like it sounds just obvious, but when the lines will continue to be so blurred
about what is real and what is AI, I think that grounding in what makes you feel human
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is a piece of the puzzle.
The biggest thing that I think that you and I promote is self awareness.
It's knowing thai self.
I think that if you can come to peace with who you are, nothing can intimidate you because
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nothing can replace you.
You're not competing with anything.
You are you and you know the value of you.
I think self awareness, unfortunately, is of where commodity.
However, I think it's also the commodity that can save us as human beings.
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I appreciate that because one of the things that I want to convey is that I'm not anti-tech.
I'm pro you.
The kind of you that algorithms can't predict and that patriarchy can't monetize.
And to me, like little things to kind of put a glitch in the system that reminds the world
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of what real looks like.
You know, again, I'm always a big advocate of women doing what feels right for them and
to be free in that choice to do so.
And then I also want to encourage us to think of the ways that these systems are shaping
the choices that we're making.
So, you know, perhaps depending on your comfortability, it's posting something on your social
(23:12):
media with no makeup, no filter, just peer you or maybe it's, you know, just a reminder
of something that isn't picture perfect.
Like we are so called upon to be picture perfect.
So things that break that apart, there's a revolutionary yearning in me for more of that.
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And I definitely do see that with a lot of women.
They're like, they're not going to spend another second on trying to be picture perfect.
They're going to hone who they are, what they want to give to the world and leave the ever
emerging, ever growing, ever not real human expectation in the rear view mirror.
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Yeah, I want to do a quick shout out to our last guest, Tori Jeanet.
She suggested three books to us when we spoke to her last time.
And one of them actually has been suggested by several guests over the last few shows,
few years actually.
And I actually went out and got all three, the books she recommended.
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And the one that pertains specifically to the conversation we're having was by Debbie
Ford, the dark side of the light chasers.
And it's about the opposite of beauty.
It's about the other end of beauty, the ugly in us.
And coming to an understanding that that part of us is also very beautiful and important.
(24:53):
And facing that side of ourselves, the dark side of ourselves and being at peace with that
as well.
And that's what I'm talking about getting to know who you are, to getting to know self.
And then being able to express the full range of self, not just what someone has held
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up as something you should aspire to be, but to be all of you.
That's basically what we are, the message we're trying to get across, right?
When we talk about beauty.
Well, I feel like Miss AI may be crowned this year, but with what Christopher just said
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and really the heart of the show is a woman who is grounded in self and not her image.
And you know, for me, that means that real is not, does not mean perfect.
It means present and it's something that no filter, no AI and no pageant can ever replace.
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But you have to believe that about yourself before it gets out and seeps out into anyone
else.
It has to be overflowing in you first.
So we started an AI conversation, but I'm glad it got back to the real.
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It is in our name.
So you know, beauty's definitely going to come out.
Absolutely.
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flooding over us these days.
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[Music]
Virgin, beauty, bitch, podcast, inspiring women to overcome social stereotypes and share
(00:09):
unique life experiences without fear of being defiantly different.
Your hosts, Christopher and Heather, let's talk, shall we?
Today we're here to talk about AI because AI is ever on the rise.
I think everybody's found a new bestie in Chat GBT for better or for worse.
(00:33):
And Christopher and I have had many fun conversations on that, the good, the bad and the ugly.
But we always kind of come at our show and these topics, not bearing our head in the sand
of what is or what will be, but to rise to the occasion of the circumstances that we're
in and also what lay on the horizon.
(00:55):
So what piqued our interest for today's show was around the new knowledge of a first ever
Miss AI 2025, the first ever global beauty pageant for AI generated women.
These aren't avatars of real women or digital makeovers.
(01:19):
They are fully invented personas created by artificial intelligence, curated to appeal
to current beauty trends and it's building a massive audience.
So just when you first hear that Christopher, what first comes to mind for you?
Terminator.
(01:40):
Right?
We get to a point where the machine has its own consciousness and its own beliefs and
its own goals and it regrades itself in many different ways.
So why not this as a precursor to bigger things?
(02:00):
Start with the thing that society seems to value in women.
Let's start there and then build up from there.
Right.
Find something that's palatable.
You know, the ever raised bar of women's beauty.
So while we're at it, we can chop down a woman's sense of body pride or beauty pride to build
(02:26):
up on things that we already know are unattainable, unrealistic expectations of beauty and make
it just completely fabricated and still something that you want for yourself as a woman or perhaps
as a man for what you're attracted to if you're into women.
It feels surreal to me and definitely eerie, but it's worth a real conversation because
(02:52):
if digital women are winning titles and brand deals, what does that mean for real women?
And how do we stay empowered, informed and confident as we face this title wave of new
technology?
So to go into that a little further, I want to start by chatting about what Miss AI actually
(03:13):
is.
So it's a global beauty competition hosted by the World AI Creator Awards where contestants
are entirely digital.
They aren't filters slapped on selfies.
These are synthetic personalities built from scratch with tools from Mid-Journey, Dal
(03:37):
E and Photoshop with no real human bodies involved.
And what's fascinating is how these digital women are engineered to hit every note of what
our current culture calls beautiful.
Let me ask you this.
If you were to guess and you're looking at a room of creators, people who are creating
(04:03):
these identities.
How many women do you believe are in that room?
For real identities?
No, who are creators of these identities?
The person who is building the code?
Hmm.
Oh yeah.
Gosh, I mean, I feel like this is almost taken on a life of its own in a certain way because
(04:26):
you know, you've got people of all genders who are in the tech world.
I mean, we hear mostly about tech bros.
So in a lot of ways, I think it's tech bros that have contribute largely to where this is
heading.
But of course, there's women in every type of sector.
(04:47):
So you know, I can't imagine that there's like a bunch like that there's women in these
rooms saying like, this is the next stage of our beauty evolution or one further mechanism
for us to explore the potential of AI.
(05:07):
I think that there was a desire within humanity's revolution, especially the technological revolution
that has driven us to this point of AI.
And this is one of the offspring of that desire.
So what I'm thinking is, okay, so there's bound to be women in that room, right?
(05:28):
Because women want to be included in everything moving forward that advances the human race.
That's been the fight to this point is to be included in everything.
So the women in that room, the women who would be in that room, I'm trying to think, what
is their mindset?
(05:49):
Is there conflict in their mindset?
I mean, for a guy, he's just creating something he could admire or adore or whatever it might
be, but for a woman, is it the same mindset?
It is interesting to try to put myself into one of their shoes to say, you know, what is
the mindset when they know that this is one of the pieces or again, like offshoots of what
(06:13):
they've been creating, because I would stand behind that I want women in every space to
be able to ensure that gender lens and like that their ideas and their contributions
are part of how we are driving forward as a society.
So I wonder if some of them, you know, are part of the influencers online that are saying,
(06:39):
trying to call into question to keep human women, I guess, and all of us, all genders, thinking
about what does this mean for our self-reflection?
What does it mean for how we view ourselves, how we view women?
Because, you know, it doesn't help any of us to say that we reject that AI is coming and
(07:00):
that it's come to this point, because it is going to continue to evolve whether we want
it to or not.
So how do we keep our own minds and in check around still deciphering what the next step
is with AI?
Because it will, I believe, you know, as you've already said, Christopher, the offshoots
(07:21):
of this is going to be pretty deep, pretty fast, especially when, you know, deep porn is
already alive and well.
And, you know, this is just the beginning of what's possible with AI.
I can only imagine how realistic it will be in even five years from now when it already
is so realistic today.
So what I'm thinking is, okay, so you're a woman in that room, you're a part of this competition,
(07:45):
right?
Are you creating an image that is like you, that is normal like you, that is average like
you, or are you creating something to compete with the men that is super woman?
She has all the attributes that appeal to men.
(08:09):
Hmm.
Hmm.
Well, at race is what these contestants will be judged on, because they're judged on
three things.
Their beauty, their social influence, and the quality of tech used to create them.
So it's a fusion of fashion, social media, and AI innovation.
(08:32):
And some of these contestants already have hundreds of thousands of followers and brand sponsorship.
So I would lean towards any creator in that room who wants to win if you want to call
it that, appealing to the masses.
Yes.
And the masses being men.
(08:57):
Or women who are beauty obsessed and garner through this AI beauty pageant, how they want,
how they view the direction of where beauty is going and want to bring that into their own
understanding of beauty.
(09:19):
It's an interesting topic.
I still.
Who drives, who is it that drives the image that we believe is most beautiful?
Who, who is it, do women drive that?
Do men drive that?
As the implications go deeper than just digital art, it's images that reinforce hyper idealized
(09:45):
beauty standards.
And not just for fun, these AI's are now becoming influencers, replacing models, gaining celebrity
status, and ultimately the creators behind them are the ones that can seek the dividends
from that sort of creation.
Of course, and you mentioned prior that maybe that takes the burden of beauty off of real
(10:12):
women.
If they're replaced by AI beauty, do you see that ever coming to fruition?
I mean, it's, that's a reality that I still can't envision for us considering that there's
a calling based off of the work that we had done when we really digested beauty and its
(10:35):
origin and even its purpose and evolution, that there's something about the human condition
and perhaps the conditioning of many different species on this planet that that will continue
to be a driving force in how we see ourselves and how we see ourselves as either admirable
(10:56):
or desirable or so I think this just further extends a self hatred or a self critical
eye that you're not that level of perfection, which again makes no logical sense because
how can you be a generated perfection.
(11:18):
But when Christopher and I were going a little bit more down the wormhole with this in seeing
how this can be paired with the future of robotics and how there already is robots who are women
in brothels in other areas of life.
If we do get to the point, which is still a stretch for my mind, where because of the patriarchal
(11:46):
word that we live in and the potential of some men, some men wanting a robot woman that
they can program to say the things they want them to say, be the things they want them to
be, do the acts that they want them to do and that they would prefer having something
(12:08):
that isn't a real human in order to just get what they want.
A scary thought to me, but the other back of my brain is thinking, okay, if those kind of
guys just want a robot to be with, that frees up women to not be with those kind of guys.
The painful part of that is that having dominance over a robot is different psychologically than
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having dominance over a real woman, another human being.
So you can live out your fantasies with the robot, but if your true motivation is dominance,
it has to be with another human being.
I think you are bang on with that, that there, as far as the psychological satisfaction
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that is desired in controlling behavior and dominance, there would be a, I would assume
a greater satisfaction from being able to do that with a human being, one that has capacity
to not be programmed.
I mean, I say that in knowing that people manipulate and gaslight people into a certain grooming
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consistently.
But the other thing that we're seeing somewhat of a rise of is the dominance and aggression
that is happening to these robot women, that there still is a satisfaction.
I'm going to say a sick satisfaction with hurting even their robot and that they're still
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getting something out of that because it looks enough like a woman and it acts enough like
a woman that they're still getting this feeling of male superiority or strength.
So we've been down this road before where men were the dominant, the dominant icon in society.
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They had all the power.
And in the way they treated women, women had re-belt and claimed their own agency.
So can this be, you know, the part in Terminator where the computer becomes its own person,
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its own individual self, has its own mind, is this kind of abuse to these robot women,
maybe the catalyst to bring on consciousness into the robotic form.
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So it's a repeat of history, women in flesh rebelling.
Now their burden being carried by robot women who may be in the future also rebelled and become
alive, become aware.
This is fascinating.
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It really is.
I mean, like that really sounds like their groundwork for Terminator.
When you've pushed real woman to the edge where she fights back and she's not taking that
crap no more and she will not be abused, she will not be hurt.
And then, you know, the evolution of the robotic mind to be able to also feel that that type
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of or any type of abuse is wrong and having the consciousness or awareness in order to
call that out and go against your programming.
Yes.
Which we have seen in some movies, by the way, there are some short films out there that are
doing exactly this.
They've played this out in their minds already.
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So, you know, perhaps that, for those guys out there who are like that, you know, eventually
whether a woman human or a woman robot not going to put up with that crap.
It's interesting that we are able to predict our future but we march into it, eyes closed
anyway.
I mean, I do want to kind of roll it back a little bit away from the abusive points and
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go back to the evolving state of beauty because let's be real.
Women have always been told what beauty is and we've always had to find something within
us or something culturally or something with other women to push back.
Do you think Christopher, this is just the next iteration of that reality?
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I'm just thinking it's beauty itself artificial.
You know, we did speak in our beauty series with someone who talked about Darwin's theories
and that beauty is tangible.
It is something that is innate that we search for in our relationships.
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So it is real.
It's how we have massaged and manicured it and built it to a point where it is unreachable
for the most part.
That is a part of it that deserves a push back to me.
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It's not that you're a beautiful person.
You have to reach a standard of what has been portrayed as beautiful in order to feel
that way about yourself or for others to feel that way about you.
That means the artificial part of beauty that we are struggling with and now we're taking
even further.
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Yeah, and it just makes me feel like all of us have kind of heard that beauty isn't skin
deep and how I'm feeling like it certainly isn't code.
As much as artificial beauty would want us to believe that it is.
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And you know, just to do a little shout out to our four part series on beauty, that was
the project, right, was to understand beyond the artificial beauty that we're so surrounded
by what are women doing to really garner a beauty within that is never skin deep.
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That's the struggle.
Is that you are as a girl, you're born into a world that has set a standard for what beautiful
is.
And it is your responsibility if you're to be loved to reach as close to that standard
artificial as it may be as you can in life.
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Like that is your program through your youth, through your young as a young woman, as
a mature woman that is constantly there, that treadmill that you must walk in order to
find the things that you desire or your heart, your soul desires most, which is to be loved.
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Yeah.
And when there's been all of these currents waging war within each one of us as a woman.
Yeah.
I mean, that makes us, that, it gives me some excitement for the project that Christopher
and I have been working on around the bitch.
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And, and I think that there's something really important in that aspect of women that can
help not succumb to these currents that have been picking away at our, our self worth for
so long.
And I think it's a big question and big conversation today because, you know, we've chatted a little
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bit about AI influencers, AI beauty pageants.
We're also in a world of women robots and digital girlfriends.
So I mean, I'm trying to reflect on where does that leave me right now in today's conversation
because what I want to get to is in this ever growing artificial intelligence, artificial
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beauty world that we're in, what is within my power to be able to reclaim space?
Because while tech can mimic or even lead what the beauty standard is, for me, it can't
replace presents.
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It can't replace the depth of my wild, fully human self.
And it sounds like it sounds just obvious, but when the lines will continue to be so blurred
about what is real and what is AI, I think that grounding in what makes you feel human
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is a piece of the puzzle.
The biggest thing that I think that you and I promote is self awareness.
It's knowing thai self.
I think that if you can come to peace with who you are, nothing can intimidate you because
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nothing can replace you.
You're not competing with anything.
You are you and you know the value of you.
I think self awareness, unfortunately, is of where commodity.
However, I think it's also the commodity that can save us as human beings.
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I appreciate that because one of the things that I want to convey is that I'm not anti-tech.
I'm pro you.
The kind of you that algorithms can't predict and that patriarchy can't monetize.
And to me, like little things to kind of put a glitch in the system that reminds the world
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of what real looks like.
You know, again, I'm always a big advocate of women doing what feels right for them and
to be free in that choice to do so.
And then I also want to encourage us to think of the ways that these systems are shaping
the choices that we're making.
So, you know, perhaps depending on your comfortability, it's posting something on your social
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media with no makeup, no filter, just peer you or maybe it's, you know, just a reminder
of something that isn't picture perfect.
Like we are so called upon to be picture perfect.
So things that break that apart, there's a revolutionary yearning in me for more of that.
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And I definitely do see that with a lot of women.
They're like, they're not going to spend another second on trying to be picture perfect.
They're going to hone who they are, what they want to give to the world and leave the ever
emerging, ever growing, ever not real human expectation in the rear view mirror.
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Yeah, I want to do a quick shout out to our last guest, Tori Jeanet.
She suggested three books to us when we spoke to her last time.
And one of them actually has been suggested by several guests over the last few shows,
few years actually.
And I actually went out and got all three, the books she recommended.
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And the one that pertains specifically to the conversation we're having was by Debbie
Ford, the dark side of the light chasers.
And it's about the opposite of beauty.
It's about the other end of beauty, the ugly in us.
And coming to an understanding that that part of us is also very beautiful and important.
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And facing that side of ourselves, the dark side of ourselves and being at peace with that
as well.
And that's what I'm talking about getting to know who you are, to getting to know self.
And then being able to express the full range of self, not just what someone has held
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up as something you should aspire to be, but to be all of you.
That's basically what we are, the message we're trying to get across, right?
When we talk about beauty.
Well, I feel like Miss AI may be crowned this year, but with what Christopher just said
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and really the heart of the show is a woman who is grounded in self and not her image.
And you know, for me, that means that real is not, does not mean perfect.
It means present and it's something that no filter, no AI and no pageant can ever replace.
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But you have to believe that about yourself before it gets out and seeps out into anyone
else.
It has to be overflowing in you first.
So we started an AI conversation, but I'm glad it got back to the real.
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It is in our name.
So you know, beauty's definitely going to come out.
Absolutely.
And hey, if you enjoy this conversation, let us know.
We'd love to get your perspective, opinions, thoughts on these topics that are, you know,
flooding over us these days.
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So join in.
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