March 14, 2025 • 17 mins
Voiceless Behind Bars is back for an all-new season, and we’re kicking things off with a powerful episode featuring James Bitz, a man fighting to prove his innocence after being wrongfully convicted in Oregon.
In this episode, host Sarah DeArmond sits down with James to discuss the shocking inconsistencies in his case, the new evidence that could exonerate him, and the systemic issues that led to his conviction. From DNA evidence that excludes him to the victim’s own testimony declaring his innocence, James Bitz’s case is a chilling reminder of how the justice system can fail the people it’s meant to protect. Sarah also speaks with advocates fighting for Bitz’s release, including Michelle Jacquet, who is leading efforts to petition for a commutation of his sentence.
🔗 Learn More About James Bitz’s Case:
In this episode, host Sarah DeArmond sits down with James to discuss the shocking inconsistencies in his case, the new evidence that could exonerate him, and the systemic issues that led to his conviction. From DNA evidence that excludes him to the victim’s own testimony declaring his innocence, James Bitz’s case is a chilling reminder of how the justice system can fail the people it’s meant to protect. Sarah also speaks with advocates fighting for Bitz’s release, including Michelle Jacquet, who is leading efforts to petition for a commutation of his sentence.
🔗 Learn More About James Bitz’s Case:
- James Bitz’s Story on Facebook: Facebook Profile
- Injustice Spotlight Article: Read More
- Understanding Wrongful Convictions: Equal Justice Initiative
- Facebook: Sarah DeArmond
- TikTok, Instagram & Bluesky: @itssarahonly
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Voiceles Behind Bars. I'm your host, Sarah Dearmund.
It's no secret that wrongful convictions happen all over the world,
but sadly, America's number one when it comes to the
most wrongful incarcerations, and that's not a good thing to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Be number one at.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
However, here on this podcast, we aim to give the
mic to the wrathfully convicted, so everyone can hear from
their mouth what happened in their cases, what went wrong,
and hopefully together we can spread the word, say their names,
and give them the justice that's been long overdue. Despite
(00:45):
what people say, change is possible, but none of us
can do it alone.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We need each other. Change start with us.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And while it's not easy, it is definitely worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And again it is possible.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Plus the easy rouse boring anyway, So ready to make history.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
This is Voiceless behind Bars.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Zomb be afraid of inside, be care foodstone, not every
light's gone, and guy, your baby, don't let a main
n s big keep it close to your house. I
love the pressures. Kind of job. You crazy because you
as to the madness in the morning. It's all kind
(01:32):
of vanish. Jon be afaidedside be care foodstockes. Not every
lad is gone and guide you. Yeah, when I blow up,
I'm gonna saw a highlight Peter Pan for real life,
be living out my dreams. I'm waking up percent a
four whole risk coming up pace.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Hey, welcome to Voices behind Bars. I'm your host, Sarah
de Armand, and I have with me my friend Bitch
who was wrongly convicted, and I'm so happy to have
him on the show today. I'm also very thankful that
he was patient with me. Had to move the interview
up a little bit today, so James, thanks for being
patient with me. Welcome to the show. Do you mind
(02:16):
introducing yourself and telling us a little bit about you?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
No, my name is James Bits, and thank you for
having me, Sarah. I appreciate you very much. And let
me start out by saying, I'm a man in long
term recovery. By that, I mean my clean day is
March sixteenth, two thousand and eight. So I've accomplished a
lot of things in my life time of seventeen years
(02:45):
in recovery. I've become under rounded man. You know, I've
become a well rounded man. I know how to place
things now, you know, and I'm trying. I'm going to
try and do this without emotion or feeling. It's going
to be tough.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's gonna be tough, and it's okay, okay, and thank
you for coming on. And yep. What really struck me
the most about your case is that you know, the
person who was the victim and all this has did
it over and over. It wasn't you. They wouldn't accept
money from you anything, they said over and over, James
(03:24):
didn't do this.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Yes, that's that's very much true. Even early on he
had went down to the detectives and told them I
didn't fit the description that he gave to five different
officers and a detective to let them know that I'm
five foot six, I have blonde hair, and i have
blue eyes. The people that committed this crime were six foot,
olive skin, brown brown eyes and had mma builds. I'm
(03:49):
one hundred and fifty pounds. I am not that.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And the woman who all amber all that, all she
was complicit in this crime? Was she not?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, she was actually admitted to committing this crime. She
was my quote co defendant in this crime. That actually
the state's star witness as well at all. Yes, I
had worked on her vehicles. Her grandmother paid me to
(04:27):
work on her vehicle.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And so on.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Her name is Amber Dement mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And did she make a play build the police too? Oh? Yeah,
testify against you.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
She said that she didn't. But but I'm not a
man that committed this crime. And I got ten years,
she got ovation, So I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Right, but okay, So when were you arrested? When years that.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Twenty eighteen?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So what was your.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Reaction when they told you you were arrest and what
it was for?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Well, I was actually incarcerated for an unrelated case and
that I had actually done. You know, when they came
at me with this, I was fabergasted. I mean they
gave me fifteen selonies, eight of a measure elevens, which
carry a minimum mandatory. You know, I was railroaded and
(05:38):
I was forced I couldn't afford one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars for an attorney. And that's that's the beginning
of what it would have costed for me to get
an attorney. Was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah,
there's no way I could afforded that. So I got
a public defender who was hand in hand with the
DA obviously, so he had told the DA in a hearing,
(06:05):
not in trial, but in a hearing previous to trial,
that he knew that I had something to do with
this case. So therefore, you know, I said, hey, you're
not on my side. So you know, I want a
different attorney, you know, I need somebody who's going to
be fair and be it, you know, and fight for me,
not against me. And the state flat refused for me
(06:28):
to get a new attorney. So my wife at the
time sold my dirt bike to sue this attorney civilly
to get to cause a conflict of interest to get
him off my case so that I could get somebody
who would help me. And by then it was too late.
I spent forty four months in county jail, forty four
(06:50):
months awaiting trial. I mean, that's a clear violation of
due process.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
It is, it is and also contradiction.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Let me let me say this as well. Normally my
m O previous to my recovery was I was guilty,
and I took a plea and I went upstate. But
I didn't do this, you know, So I fought and
I tried to try to do the justice system or
the legal system as it's supposed to be done. And
this is how I got done. Okay, I'm sorry, No, no,
(07:28):
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It's important that she said that, and I wanted to
go back to you know, the so called witness Hamber.
Did she contradict her testimony more than once.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yes, she did. She said that I called her and
told her that that I was on my way over
to get her to go do this crime. And uh,
the phone expert witness said that our phones never connected
that day except for one time when she called me
and she got my voice mail. So on the stand
she lied multiple times. And then she said on the
(08:01):
stand that, oh, it was that she facetimed me or
something to that effect, and they asked the expert witness
and she said at that time too, no, that didn't happen, right,
And then she said that she went in when this
crime happened, and she stood there and stared at the wall.
She was scared. Well, the victim says that he went
(08:21):
she went in and beat him up, you know, or
swung on him and hurt him multiple times. And then
when he was down on the floor, after these people
had done horrendous things to this man, which was wrong
that he heard her voice say I got it, I
got it. And then that's you know, and that was
(08:43):
within the first five minutes of these people doing this.
And I only know this from trial because my discovery
was protected. I went to trial without even knowing what
I was up against.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Right, And so when it came to your everything that
helped defend you, you know, when it came to your witnesses, victim,
you know, the victim themselves out, all that was ignored.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I'm sorry say that again.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So when it came to like, you know, the victim themselves,
everything else that was on your side that should have
exonerated you, all that was ignored, my correct.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yes, including the fact that this man was robbed for
ninety two thousand dollars. Now, uh, he came to my
hearing restitution, hearing that they were going to take that
money from me, and he said, he said, I don't
want money from that man. He's not the one that
(09:48):
robbed me.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Ran.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So there's that. And then by the pictures that I'd
seen at chial his house was destroyed. And let me
say this that this man did not deserve what happened
to him, right, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
if there's any remorse to be on my part is
that no human beings should have went through what this
man went through. I greet. You know, he was robbed
(10:12):
for ninety two thousand dollars, his house was destroyed, he
was beat severely. You know. For that man to come
up and say that speaks volumes to me much more
than the legal system or the justice system of Oregon,
which nobody oversees obviously. Right, I'm doing ten years for
a crime I didn't commit that they know I didn't commit, well,
(10:34):
they know, yeah, And there's nothing I can do about it,
even in appeals. You know, there's eighty hours where the
work put in on an appeal, but it still takes
two years. So Oregon will get their time out of me.
Whether I did it or not. It's all about a conviction.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Oh yeah, it's all about a conviction sold out money
because you know, we all, like the people of Oregon
are with their tax sellers, are paying for you to
be in prison and all. You know, so this is
all going on our tax dollars. Whenever someone is ronsoly convicted,
they go to prison. Our tax dollars are paying for
it instead of people who actually deserve it. And I
(11:11):
know there are people in prison who deserve it. I'm
saying there's not enough. There are too many people who
get let off. And we also have to remember, like
in this case, so the person the people who did
this to the victim, who beat them, beats the victim,
rob them, destroy their house, they're still out there, yes they.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Are, including the person that admitted committing this crime is
out there on probation right now, right time, for a
crime I didn't commit.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Right, This affects us all, say again, this affects us
allt It affects of course you the most and other
people wants the convicted. But a reminder, it affects us
all not just for our tax dollars, but safety reasons
because again, and the people who did it, just like
(12:02):
with your case, are still out there, right.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
And it's not punishment isn't really on me. It's on
my family and my children, you know, right, So you
know I'd like to say that. And then also once
you come to prison, so I've learned I was left
here in pain for two years because the medical here
won't there the King of no making you feel bad
(12:27):
for asking for help and or make you feel like
you've been lying for two years. I was left in pain,
you know, and I mean not played on my psyche.
Even my mother has said something's changed, you know. And
I hate to be that guy, but it's don't eat
a tinfoil hat or nothing. But I know that I
(12:47):
do know that, you know it's played rough on me,
you know, as far as h I don't have, you know,
I mean, I feel some kind of way due to
that factor.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Of course. And I know many people that's happened to
where they're ignored, they're in pain, and they will they're tools.
Oh it's on your head, you're overreacting. Keep quiet, and
it gets worse because prison healthcare is just not a zip.
(13:20):
And did you ever receive any help?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, eventually I did. I had to bring the lie
into it to get medical attention, and you know, and
it's starting to get traction now. And I have to
say this before we go that I hope Doc doesn't
retaliate against me for doing this. But all I'm doing
is telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
No exactly, all you're doing is telling the truth. And
with this, you know, we want people to know spread
the word all about your case, and also please continue
to do your research about ponful connections because we have
an epidemic in this country. When it comes to it,
(14:04):
at least two people they are wrongfully convicted. This country
is number one when it comes to the most wawful convictions.
So please continue to spread the word about his case
and also when it comes to wrongful convictions in general,
do your research. You come across one, share their petition,
sign it, do what you can do to get justice
(14:27):
for them. And also don't forget people like James right near.
You know, his story needs to be told.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
And again, Sarah, I thank you very much for putting
me out there. You know, I mean, I'm not the
only one here believe that. Yeah, there's a lot of
us in here. And like I said, it's not about
justice and it's not about legal it's about money and
it's about a conviction.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Oh yeah, very classes racist system. You know, it's all about,
like you said, for all the money, that's what's about.
And like I said, I thank you for coming on.
You're welcome back on anytime when you get out, which
you never should have been in. And I'm sorry, but
when you do get out and before you get out,
(15:20):
and you're welcome back here anytime. We'll keep in touch
and everybody keeps please keep turning the word about James's case,
and with everyone else keeps spreading that word. Together, we
will make thanks better. We will make change.
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(15:58):
be care, foodstack, not had I and gonna guide you.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And that's a wrap for today.
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Welcome to Voiceles Behind Bars. I'm your host, Sarah Dearmund.
It's no secret that wrongful convictions happen all over the world,
but sadly, America's number one when it comes to the
most wrongful incarcerations, and that's not a good thing to.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Be number one at.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
However, here on this podcast, we aim to give the
mic to the wrathfully convicted, so everyone can hear from
their mouth what happened in their cases, what went wrong,
and hopefully together we can spread the word, say their names,
and give them the justice that's been long overdue. Despite
(00:45):
what people say, change is possible, but none of us
can do it alone.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We need each other. Change start with us.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And while it's not easy, it is definitely worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And again it is possible.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Plus the easy rouse boring anyway, So ready to make history.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
This is Voiceless behind Bars.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Zomb be afraid of inside, be care foodstone, not every
light's gone, and guy, your baby, don't let a main
n s big keep it close to your house. I
love the pressures. Kind of job. You crazy because you
as to the madness in the morning. It's all kind
(01:32):
of vanish. Jon be afaidedside be care foodstockes. Not every
lad is gone and guide you. Yeah, when I blow up,
I'm gonna saw a highlight Peter Pan for real life,
be living out my dreams. I'm waking up percent a
four whole risk coming up pace.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Hey, welcome to Voices behind Bars. I'm your host, Sarah
de Armand, and I have with me my friend Bitch
who was wrongly convicted, and I'm so happy to have
him on the show today. I'm also very thankful that
he was patient with me. Had to move the interview
up a little bit today, so James, thanks for being
patient with me. Welcome to the show. Do you mind
(02:16):
introducing yourself and telling us a little bit about you?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
No, my name is James Bits, and thank you for
having me, Sarah. I appreciate you very much. And let
me start out by saying, I'm a man in long
term recovery. By that, I mean my clean day is
March sixteenth, two thousand and eight. So I've accomplished a
lot of things in my life time of seventeen years
(02:45):
in recovery. I've become under rounded man. You know, I've
become a well rounded man. I know how to place
things now, you know, and I'm trying. I'm going to
try and do this without emotion or feeling. It's going
to be tough.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's gonna be tough, and it's okay, okay, and thank
you for coming on. And yep. What really struck me
the most about your case is that you know, the
person who was the victim and all this has did
it over and over. It wasn't you. They wouldn't accept
money from you anything, they said over and over, James
(03:24):
didn't do this.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Yes, that's that's very much true. Even early on he
had went down to the detectives and told them I
didn't fit the description that he gave to five different
officers and a detective to let them know that I'm
five foot six, I have blonde hair, and i have
blue eyes. The people that committed this crime were six foot,
olive skin, brown brown eyes and had mma builds. I'm
(03:49):
one hundred and fifty pounds. I am not that.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And the woman who all amber all that, all she
was complicit in this crime? Was she not?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, she was actually admitted to committing this crime. She
was my quote co defendant in this crime. That actually
the state's star witness as well at all. Yes, I
had worked on her vehicles. Her grandmother paid me to
(04:27):
work on her vehicle.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And so on.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Her name is Amber Dement mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And did she make a play build the police too? Oh? Yeah,
testify against you.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
She said that she didn't. But but I'm not a
man that committed this crime. And I got ten years,
she got ovation, So I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Right, but okay, So when were you arrested? When years that.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Twenty eighteen?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So what was your.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Reaction when they told you you were arrest and what
it was for?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Well, I was actually incarcerated for an unrelated case and
that I had actually done. You know, when they came
at me with this, I was fabergasted. I mean they
gave me fifteen selonies, eight of a measure elevens, which
carry a minimum mandatory. You know, I was railroaded and
(05:38):
I was forced I couldn't afford one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars for an attorney. And that's that's the beginning
of what it would have costed for me to get
an attorney. Was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah,
there's no way I could afforded that. So I got
a public defender who was hand in hand with the
DA obviously, so he had told the DA in a hearing,
(06:05):
not in trial, but in a hearing previous to trial,
that he knew that I had something to do with
this case. So therefore, you know, I said, hey, you're
not on my side. So you know, I want a
different attorney, you know, I need somebody who's going to
be fair and be it, you know, and fight for me,
not against me. And the state flat refused for me
(06:28):
to get a new attorney. So my wife at the
time sold my dirt bike to sue this attorney civilly
to get to cause a conflict of interest to get
him off my case so that I could get somebody
who would help me. And by then it was too late.
I spent forty four months in county jail, forty four
(06:50):
months awaiting trial. I mean, that's a clear violation of
due process.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
It is, it is and also contradiction.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Let me let me say this as well. Normally my
m O previous to my recovery was I was guilty,
and I took a plea and I went upstate. But
I didn't do this, you know, So I fought and
I tried to try to do the justice system or
the legal system as it's supposed to be done. And
this is how I got done. Okay, I'm sorry, No, no,
(07:28):
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It's important that she said that, and I wanted to
go back to you know, the so called witness Hamber.
Did she contradict her testimony more than once.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yes, she did. She said that I called her and
told her that that I was on my way over
to get her to go do this crime. And uh,
the phone expert witness said that our phones never connected
that day except for one time when she called me
and she got my voice mail. So on the stand
she lied multiple times. And then she said on the
(08:01):
stand that, oh, it was that she facetimed me or
something to that effect, and they asked the expert witness
and she said at that time too, no, that didn't happen, right,
And then she said that she went in when this
crime happened, and she stood there and stared at the wall.
She was scared. Well, the victim says that he went
(08:21):
she went in and beat him up, you know, or
swung on him and hurt him multiple times. And then
when he was down on the floor, after these people
had done horrendous things to this man, which was wrong
that he heard her voice say I got it, I
got it. And then that's you know, and that was
(08:43):
within the first five minutes of these people doing this.
And I only know this from trial because my discovery
was protected. I went to trial without even knowing what
I was up against.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Right, And so when it came to your everything that
helped defend you, you know, when it came to your witnesses, victim,
you know, the victim themselves out, all that was ignored.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I'm sorry say that again.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So when it came to like, you know, the victim themselves,
everything else that was on your side that should have
exonerated you, all that was ignored, my correct.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yes, including the fact that this man was robbed for
ninety two thousand dollars. Now, uh, he came to my
hearing restitution, hearing that they were going to take that
money from me, and he said, he said, I don't
want money from that man. He's not the one that
(09:48):
robbed me.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Ran.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So there's that. And then by the pictures that I'd
seen at chial his house was destroyed. And let me
say this that this man did not deserve what happened
to him, right, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
if there's any remorse to be on my part is
that no human beings should have went through what this
man went through. I greet. You know, he was robbed
(10:12):
for ninety two thousand dollars, his house was destroyed, he
was beat severely. You know. For that man to come
up and say that speaks volumes to me much more
than the legal system or the justice system of Oregon,
which nobody oversees obviously. Right, I'm doing ten years for
a crime I didn't commit that they know I didn't commit, well,
(10:34):
they know, yeah, And there's nothing I can do about it,
even in appeals. You know, there's eighty hours where the
work put in on an appeal, but it still takes
two years. So Oregon will get their time out of me.
Whether I did it or not. It's all about a conviction.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Oh yeah, it's all about a conviction sold out money
because you know, we all, like the people of Oregon
are with their tax sellers, are paying for you to
be in prison and all. You know, so this is
all going on our tax dollars. Whenever someone is ronsoly convicted,
they go to prison. Our tax dollars are paying for
it instead of people who actually deserve it. And I
(11:11):
know there are people in prison who deserve it. I'm
saying there's not enough. There are too many people who
get let off. And we also have to remember, like
in this case, so the person the people who did
this to the victim, who beat them, beats the victim,
rob them, destroy their house, they're still out there, yes they.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Are, including the person that admitted committing this crime is
out there on probation right now, right time, for a
crime I didn't commit.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Right, This affects us all, say again, this affects us
allt It affects of course you the most and other
people wants the convicted. But a reminder, it affects us
all not just for our tax dollars, but safety reasons
because again, and the people who did it, just like
(12:02):
with your case, are still out there, right.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
And it's not punishment isn't really on me. It's on
my family and my children, you know, right, So you
know I'd like to say that. And then also once
you come to prison, so I've learned I was left
here in pain for two years because the medical here
won't there the King of no making you feel bad
(12:27):
for asking for help and or make you feel like
you've been lying for two years. I was left in pain,
you know, and I mean not played on my psyche.
Even my mother has said something's changed, you know. And
I hate to be that guy, but it's don't eat
a tinfoil hat or nothing. But I know that I
(12:47):
do know that, you know it's played rough on me,
you know, as far as h I don't have, you know,
I mean, I feel some kind of way due to
that factor.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Of course. And I know many people that's happened to
where they're ignored, they're in pain, and they will they're tools.
Oh it's on your head, you're overreacting. Keep quiet, and
it gets worse because prison healthcare is just not a zip.
(13:20):
And did you ever receive any help?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, eventually I did. I had to bring the lie
into it to get medical attention, and you know, and
it's starting to get traction now. And I have to
say this before we go that I hope Doc doesn't
retaliate against me for doing this. But all I'm doing
is telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
No exactly, all you're doing is telling the truth. And
with this, you know, we want people to know spread
the word all about your case, and also please continue
to do your research about ponful connections because we have
an epidemic in this country. When it comes to it,
(14:04):
at least two people they are wrongfully convicted. This country
is number one when it comes to the most wawful convictions.
So please continue to spread the word about his case
and also when it comes to wrongful convictions in general,
do your research. You come across one, share their petition,
sign it, do what you can do to get justice
(14:27):
for them. And also don't forget people like James right near.
You know, his story needs to be told.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
And again, Sarah, I thank you very much for putting
me out there. You know, I mean, I'm not the
only one here believe that. Yeah, there's a lot of
us in here. And like I said, it's not about
justice and it's not about legal it's about money and
it's about a conviction.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Oh yeah, very classes racist system. You know, it's all about,
like you said, for all the money, that's what's about.
And like I said, I thank you for coming on.
You're welcome back on anytime when you get out, which
you never should have been in. And I'm sorry, but
when you do get out and before you get out,
(15:20):
and you're welcome back here anytime. We'll keep in touch
and everybody keeps please keep turning the word about James's case,
and with everyone else keeps spreading that word. Together, we
will make thanks better. We will make change.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Zomby afraid of It's side, be care, foodstack not heavy,
light is gone and Catty baby add a very nice back.
Keep it close to your house, O. Love the preshus
kind of Javy Paizy because you as madness in the morning.
It's all kind of that. It's Jon be afraid of say,
(15:58):
be care, foodstack, not had I and gonna guide you.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And that's a wrap for today.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
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and blue Sky under the same user name.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's sair only.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
It s s A R A h.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
O n l y. It's sir only.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I also have my own five OHO one C three nonprofit,
Voiceless behind Bars. That's Voiceless behind bars dot org. And
while I run and own that nonprofit, this podcast, while
it has the same name, because we stand for the
same thing, against romple convictions and we stand against this
(16:58):
injustice system, this podcast is one and owned by the
wonderful Prison.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Audio, so one be transparent about that one. So again,
thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Let's continue to make change happen together.
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