Lapis Stone - Endgame

In this compelling episode, Sarah sits down with her good friend Lapis Stone for their third interview - a year after their last conversation. A lot has changed, and this time, the stakes are higher than ever.

Lapi opens up about the ongoing struggle they’ve been facing, reflecting on the challenges, resilience, and the emotional toll of fighting for justice. As they navigate the complexities of this battle, they share their hopes, fears, and the unwavering belief that the truth will ultimately prevail. This conversation is raw, powerful, and a testament to the strength it takes to stand up against injustice.

Join us as we dive deep into the latest developments, the ongoing battle for truth, and Lapi’s personal journey. 🔗 Follow Lapi: Instagram | Music ⚠️ If you or someone you know has been a victim of sexual abuse, please know that support is available. Here are some resources that can help:

• Thrive Lifeline
• MTMV Support
• Shattering the Silence
• Male Survivor

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Voices behind Bars. I'm your host, Sarah Dearmund.
It's no secret that wrongful convictions happen all over the world,
but sadly, America's number one when it comes to the
most wrongful incarcerations, and that's not a good thing to
be number one at. However, here on this podcast, we

(00:25):
aim to give the mic to the wrongfully convicted, so
everyone can hear from their mouth what happened in their cases,
what went wrong, and hopefully together we can spread the word,
say their names, and give them the justice that's been
long overdue. Despite what people say, change is possible, but

(00:49):
none of us can do it alone. We need each other.
Change start with us. And while it's not easy, it
is definitely worth it. And again it is possible. Plus
the easy rouse boring anyway, So ready to make history.
This is voiceless fine bars.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:24):
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(01:45):
blow up, I'm gonna got a highlight Peter Pan real
life be living out my dreams.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I'm waking up.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
It's in a four land. Well, I'm welcome to Voice
behind Bars. I'm your host, Sarah de Armand and got
friend here has been all podcast twice. The fact they
were my first interview. We're they're back under better circumstances.
But regardless luck that they're back here and we're gonna
get everything straighten up as we always do. So once again,

(02:13):
welcome to my show. Please introduce reintroduce yourself to everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Hi, everybody, my name is Lapis. You can call me Lappie.
I am a classically trained violinist of twenty five years.
Right now, I'm kind of like a pop star and
I just released a new song called You Got a

(02:39):
lot of people think it is but I love it.
So I'm, you know, just an artist and also a journalist.
I report on things that I either have experience in
the industry on or things that you know, people tell
me from the inside. So sometimes you know, I write books.

(03:02):
I report on public figures. As a public figure, Yeah,
I have like a lot of things on my resume.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
So let's get to it. What you were back? What
do you hear the first two times for? Unfortunately we're
staying out well three pet here, aren't we?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, this is the third time I've talked about this, yes.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
And so basically what's going on is old allegations are
being brought up in order to bring someone who was
mentioned on the channel on the podcast before shift. She's
trying to put him in prison and bringing allegations against you.

(03:48):
What was she trying to put you in prison? And
buy her? I mean Alexa Nicholas. I try not to
say her name too much. She's like build a bob,
you know, I just try not to say it. But yeah,
Alexai Nicholas, who back this professional troll? Yep? But she
is trying to bring old alliations against you and that
could land you in prison. So we can't talk too

(04:11):
much about the current case. But what can you tell us?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yes, she who shall not be named alex Nicholas, I
can talk about some things. I currently have a non
disparagement agreement with Alexa Nicholas, which basically means we can
only speak new truly about each other. Factually, but not negatively,

(04:38):
and sometimes even if it is true, we're not allowed
to talk about certain allegations or certain you know, accusations
towards each other or about each other through any means,
whether that's publicly or privately.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
So in third.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Party you know, conversations with you know, people who are
not in the public, Yeah, that counts. So unfortunately she
has not abided by that. And what it has come
to my attention that she's through third parties making out

(05:20):
allegations and accusations against me that are untrue, that are new,
They are not something she said before. And this is
important because the thing that made us get a non
disparagement agreement was heard making accusations about me and allegations

(05:43):
that were not true. So the non disparagement agreement was
something that I had suggested to her lawyer through through mediation,
through the court overseeing mediation online and they are read
to it, and it was so that they would not well,

(06:04):
she would not specifically, but also her representation would not
continue to make accusations and allegations about me that were
not true. And it was mutual, so I also could
not do the same thing, which I never did, but
it was the fact that I did not want her
to do it, and she agreed. So she said, Okay,
I won't do this anymore, and I said, okay, I

(06:25):
will never do what you did either, and we continued
on with our lives. Unfortunately, recently she has filed, through
her lawyer, action against another person to put them in

(06:46):
jail using miname with false accusations, and so this is
escalated to a point where not only could I sue
her for what I was originally suing her for, which
was defamation, but now I can sue her for breach
of contract because she has violated the non disparaitiment agreement

(07:09):
that she agreed to. So I want to just go
over you know what happened to get us to the
point of non disparagement.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yes, definitely, because I saw some of it and I
was a witness to some of this, so absolutely.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah. So you know, this is like a long story,
but I'm going to try to make it short because it's.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Been totally good.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know, if you really want to know everything, you
can go back to the last interview that I had
with Sarah and you can.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Reach a part because he is my first interview, and
then we did another one exactly one year later.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, so you know, this is something that like has
been talked about out. There's been reporters that has investigated
on it and gotten fired over it. It is a thing.
So please go do your research and go look into
this Alexis and all you have to look up is
Alexa Nicholas stalker and you will see because she still

(08:18):
has them up tweets about me and my friend Shift
accusing us of stalking her and me being the accomplice
actually Shift being the main stalker but the stalker. No,
neither of us was stalking her, but she had filed

(08:38):
actions against him using my name. So how did this happen? Okay,
let's just review real quick what actually happened. So I
was like reporting on free britty stuff because I've been
in the industry and I've come in contact with people
who are very much tied to the Britney Spears conservatorship

(09:04):
as former managers or executives, and they have tried to
enslave me into contracts. I have written a book about
actually multiple books, but the facts are I basically had
to escape a label that was trying to own me
and control me, and I left with everything that I

(09:29):
had my music, the ownership of my music, and then
they tried to hunt me down and kill me and
sent me threatening text messages talking about how the biggest
cult and all this other stuff. So I had broken
the news about the Britney Spearers Conservatorship before the thirteenth
anniversary of the Conservatorship, which was right around the time

(09:52):
that it started to become mainstream news. It was before
Britain me her testimony. So I had sent this book
out till I BJA investigates and like Popcorn Planet and Sloan,
which will come up later, Sloan will come up later.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
So I have no doubt that he will.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, if you know anything about Free Brittany and Sloan,
he will be coming up later in the story. Unfortunately
on the wrong side. But anyways, I'm at soccer.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
So anyways, I was, you know, reporting on this, you
know and other stuff, but mainly this bandmar Jira is
another conservatorship I was reporting on. But I was reporting
on basically from my experience being associated with people who
put Brittany into the conservatorship and talking about what happened

(10:48):
to me, talking about what's happening to other people? And
this movement called e Predators popped up all of a
sudden out of nowhere, and I was kind of confused, like, okay, wait,
is this like pro free Britney or what is this?
Because it was it was apparently reporting on stuff. It

(11:08):
was posting, you know, different things about the Britney Spears conservatorship.
But at this point, hashtag free Brittany was like a
movement in itself, so it was like, is this a
movement that's like part of the movement or is this
a movement that's separate, but like it's just basically free
Brittany adjacent. So I did like a little bit of

(11:29):
smoothing and I had actually messaged Alexa Nicholas, who was
actually representing the Predators at the time. She was the
face of the Predators at that time, so I was like, okay,
so she's like a public figure, she's like somebody who's
you know, she's doing this like for herself or something.

(11:53):
So I like messaged her. She never responded, I commented
on the page, never responded, so like I left it,
and I was like, okay, I guess they're not really transparent.
They don't answer questions, you know, you know, so I'm like, okay, whatever,
but I just walked away, you know, from them, and

(12:13):
I saw other people who I had seen in the
Free Brittany movement, like Melanie Veronica who will also come up,
who will also come up later unfortunately on the wrong side.
So I had been very you know, like public in
this in this movement as a reporter, as somebody who

(12:37):
was reporting on it, and my posts would the viral
people would share DJA investigates or that surprise witness as
most people know her. Probably she had actually communicated with
me a lot about bandmar Jira and his conservativeship situation.
So she's very public in Free Brittany. If you don't

(12:59):
know thing about Free Brittany, BJ basically is the face
of Free Brittany now because she was the one who
really reported on it consistently, and that's why I sent
her my book, because I give she would know some
stuff that I talked about, and eventually, you know, we connected,
which was cool. So she was always pretty much on

(13:20):
the right side. She's never gone on the wrong side.
She actually told me stuff during the Lexa Nicholas thing
that you know, helped me understand more of like who
was on the wrong side.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
So that's good to hear. I like hearing that. But
she was always on the right side for Brittany. I
really liked hearing that.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Kudos to bj she actually she is real, she is
not fake. She don't change up on people.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
I like hearing that.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yes, she's great. So I had, you know, basically been
you know, active, let's stay active in this community of
Free Brittany. And I had come in contact with a
lot of different people like Popcorn cut Planet and a
lot of different people when I was reporting on it.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I do love popcorn Planet. Yeah that's really cool.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah Andy he he had commented and on my post though,
saying like, oh, you guys are going to be proven
wrong eventually.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Oh really?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Oh yeah, And and was like, wait, what are you
anti free Brittany now, Like what's going on here? I
don't know. See there was other people like, uh, who's
the guy who? I forget what a sight he made?
I think it was like the Brittany forum. There's like

(14:39):
a Brittany forum. I forgot what the name of it is.
But the guy who ran that he had commented on
my stuff too, because I was reporting on it, and
I was just talking about what's really going on, and I.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Was asking, Andy, is very pro jihn depth, so fair.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
It all makes sense, you know. But later on, basically
I had come in contact with another person and Shift
Shift was also very active in this community of free
Brittany and Shift Shift O'Brien on Instagram also going by
Luciferous Shift, which some people misinterpreted as Lucifrarian or something

(15:22):
like that, which was really yeah, if you look up
the word luciphers, it's not lucith or luseth. You know,
people don't really look into stuff sometimes, but it's about
you know, not being Satan. That's of course, so anyway.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
I think that's what it's referred to. But yeah, I
know it's because I know Satan, I'll be Satanism is
completely different than actually worshiping Satan, so I know what
you mean.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
But it's not even Lucithianism that the name is related to.
That's just what people have misinterpreted as from misspelling it.
So that's like, yeah, that's typical. But Shift is a
Christian and mikes Christian folk music, which is awesome because
I'm a Christian music and I'm a Christian, so it's great.
Like we've you know, we talked, we shared info, we posted,

(16:16):
you know, and commented on each other's stuff. And then
Shift told me at one point that he was invited
by Alexa Nicholas to live with her, like for a
temporary amount of time, but to live with her basically
indefinitely and to do some work, some pr work. When

(16:37):
Britney Spears made a tweet or made a statement apologizing
to Alexa Nicholas, Shift texted me two minutes later saying,
I'm sitting on that couch with Alexa Nicholas right now,
and Brittany goes too. Yeah, that's how like in the
moment me and Shift were like talking. So this was

(16:59):
like end of twenty twenty three and or mid twenty
twenty three or whatever, like mid end on September Vish So,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Al wants to know why she had apologized to Alexa.
That had to do with Alexa and Jamie Lynn on
the set of All Zoe one on one, you know,
but it had a bit, you know, they were teenagers
and Jamie Lang got Brittany involved when she shouldn't have,
and Brittany was already going through hell, and honestly, during

(17:33):
the Free Brittney movement, Alexa brought up Britney, you know,
having her in tears, and she tried to plant down saying,
you know, I don't follow her for it, but she
did make Britney feel pressure to apologize when she was
already going through the conservativeship stuff trying to get out
of it.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
This was also at a time that I think Jamie
Lynn was promoting her book.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
So I remember that. Yeah, yeah, so it was like
cantan Lane supporter by the way.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
No no, no, no no, but you know, it was like
Alexa was mentioned in the book, and like you know,
Brittany was of course mentioned in the book. So Brittany
was making statements in general about people at that time.
But then she like randomly apologized to Lexa Nicholas. And
so Shift was like right there in the moment with
Alexa during those times, and was doing apparently pr work

(18:26):
which which you would consider, you know, representing her in
conversations with Sloan, in different meetings with other stars like
Christy Carlson Romano from Disney. Yeah. So Shifts had been
like active in the Eighth Predator's sphere, right, mostly for

(18:48):
Alexa Nicholas's camp, but then it became like, okay, eight
Predators is also part of her workloads, so helping with that.
So Shift was helping with posters, was helping with plans, organization, structure, business.
Shift was actually doing a lot more than just being
pr but Shift was doing it mainly with the intention of, Okay,

(19:11):
this is going to work out. You know, eventually, we're
probably going to get some bags and we're going to like,
you know, increase her public image, and like, you know,
also that the Predator's Movement is doing this work that's
supposed to be calling out predators and devouring in a
sense of like canceling them and taking them down and

(19:32):
all this stuff. So Alexa Nicholas, you know, being from
Nickelodeon and having experience with characters like Dan Schneider from
the sets of Zobi Wan to One, she had some
experience with what I had experience with, which Britney has
experience with. So she understands to a certain extent, how

(19:56):
you know, disgusting this industry is and how they've we'll
try to control you, manipulate you, and do all sorts
of types of horrible stuff. It is not really clear.
She's necessarily suffered from anything like that, but she's experienced
it and she knows about it, which isn't important because
even that means that you can be a voice for survivors. So,

(20:18):
you know, she's been a voice for survivors for you know,
I guess a considerable amount of time since this Depredator's movement,
and Shift was largely helpful in making her voice louder.
And then it became too much to handle Alexa's own career,
which was like a lot of stuff acting, you know,

(20:42):
and also her child because Shift would do childcare at
times too, for then they're doing events and while they're
doing other stuff so they don't have to spend that money.
So it was like Shift was like a help to
the whole Alexas thing and also to the depredators thing
which came with Alexa Nicholas. And so Shift said I

(21:04):
need to break. Shift left voluntarily said you know, it's
just too much for me. They had anything good terms.
They were still talking after Shift left, and then all
of a sudden something turned in the eight Predator's movement
against Shit. There was a bunch of people who were
part of the Predator's movement who had said they felt

(21:27):
uncomfortable with Shift's presence in the movement because of how
old he is, which is like maybe thirty five or
you know, something close to forty. But they felt like
he was, you know, creeping on people or something. And
that was something that was never stated while Shift was there,
but apparently this was something that the younger people in

(21:52):
the movement were talking about. And this ended up getting,
you know, spilling over into social media. I started hearing
about stuff. I go to Shift and Shift's like, what, like,
what are people like? Why are people you know making
up these rumors? And then Melanie Veronica, who was also
very helpful in the Predator's movement, being very public at

(22:15):
the protest, you know, representing them. I don't know how
much behind the scenes she did, but in public she
was at the protest, she had met a me saying
that Shift went to a protest and charged at her.
And I was like, whoa wait, whoa what Shift physically

(22:39):
came at you with force? That is that is concerning.
So I had gone back to Shift and I questioned
Shift on this, and Shift said, that is absolutely not
close to what happened. We need to talk about this
we need to ask absolutely talk about this, because what
happened is that SHIFT went to the protest and handed

(23:02):
out flyers for a podcast, and this podcast had two
former members of the Predators on it, and these former
members were actually the original organizers who created the entire
E Predators branding the entire structure, sending payments for ubers

(23:28):
so that survivors could make it to events, that type
of overhead action that Alexa Nicholas did not have participation in.
So their story was being amplified on SHIFTS podcasts and
shared amongst the E Predator's movement. And there had been

(23:49):
now a smear campaign against Shift to silence these people.
And it was very concerning to me that a movement
that is based around serve happens to be trying to
silence people that are speaking out against the movement. I
found that very interesting, So I said, Okay, let me

(24:11):
go to one of these protests. I want to check
it out. I want to see what they're really doing
over there. Okay. So I had made plans from Chicago
to tour the West coast, starting at Las Vegas, going
to Los Angeles, trying to you know, go to other parts,

(24:32):
you know, of the region, but making a stop at
one of the protests to perform. You know, I play
the violin, I street perform. I make money everywhere I go.
So I was like, okay, you know, maybe I can
go to this protest and I perform and just show people,
you know, support for the survivors of this movement without

(24:54):
even saying anything, just playing my music. That was all
I did, That's all I planned. Well, I go to
this protest and the first person that walks up to
me is Melanie Veronica, who had messaged me that shift

(25:15):
was charged, her charge in her She hands me the
flight She doesn't recognize me. I guess or nothing, you know,
but I'm like, okay, thank you. And so I start
performing next to the protests and I'm like ten maybe
twenty feet away from like it's a distance. There's a
considerable large entrance walkway to the where the So they

(25:41):
were protesting Red Light Management, which is a management company
for artists and other people, but specifically Alexa Nicholas had
been married to a popular producer, DJ artist guy who
remember that, yeah, whose name is Melow. I don't know
Michael Muller's or something. I don't know what his Uh.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
I believe he was on Hannah Montana.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I could be wrong, Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
I'm gonna look that up just to kids, so I
don't want to, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna make
sure to get that right. But also as the interview
goes on, I'm gonna make sure to correct myself. I'm
I got that wrong. What we all were?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
You say?

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Because she accused him of being abusic to her. I
believe she said that she was underage when she first
met her.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yes, he groomed her and had also during their marriage,
sexually assaulted her and had made her do things she
did not want to do, which is a crime. And
you know she had uh divorced him, sued him, and
all sorts of types of stuff. Now I don't know

(26:54):
the current status of that.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
I know that part of it was not on Hannah Montana.
Let me be clear. Okay, so I'm correcting myself.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, what is what is his artist name? Because he
has like a different neighborhood artist name.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Okay, so all alright, don't know how to pronounced that.
It's M I L O S eight So don't know
how okay, But yeah, that as for his artist career.
So but I know all there are alleged allegations. I'm
not saying whether or not they're true. I just don't
your allegations rank.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
This is stuff that she has publicly talked about and
filed you know, public court documents on. So you know,
she had been a survivor of an artist at that
management company that apparently was protecting him and and also
was actively trying to finance her too, apparently, so she
had gone in stage this protest there for that reason.

(27:56):
So I had been playing music, you know, and that
to them and to the Red Light Management you know' perspective.
I'm part of the protest. I'm playing music as something
to amplify their presence, but internally, you know, I am
counter protesting their protests because I'm trying to draw attention

(28:20):
to survivors of the movement. So I had I think
I didn't. I don't think I had a sign. Actually
Shift had a sign in his hand. I forget what
the sign said, but it was something about my First
Amendment or something, and it was just about you know,
being able to be there perform and play on music.

(28:43):
So Shift had joined me, and she then pointed out
to me and shift and said that's my stalker. And
she did this while online Instagram, and this was viewed
by many people.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yes, I saw that she the one't yelling at YouTube,
but she said you two were approaching her. I never
saw that she killed. She and her little ming girls
were with her because were typing ming girls. You know,
I saw them yelling at YouTube. I remember at one
point time they yelled at you were your pronouns and

(29:22):
you were like, that's none of your concern.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah. They were actively coming over to me, getting in
my face, yelling telling I'm silencing survivors, which is like wild,
I'm amplifying survivors and you are silencing me. That's what's happening.
So I was very you know, like adamant and resilient

(29:49):
on playing my music without them disrupting me. And then
they had called the police. The police had arrived. The
police spoke to both parties and the police said it
is our first Amendment right to be there. They cannot
tell us to stop making music, and we can't tell
them to stop protesting, so we just need to leave

(30:10):
each other alone. And they wrote on there there was
no crime, and they left a few hours later Alexa
Nicholas goes online and posts that I made two police
reports about my stalker and then said my stalker and
his accomplice tried to intimidate me and then also called

(30:38):
me a flying monkey, which to most people, they don't
hear the flying parts. They hear monkey because I'm black,
and they're like, what did you say?

Speaker 5 (30:51):
I thought, what did you say? And some people, you
know what, I've commented underneath all other people who've been
victimized at all when it was to Alexa, and I
never named you. I just said, this is what she
did to my friend, and I mentioned the flying monkey comment.
People have said to me, I'm not defending her. She

(31:11):
probably is racist. That comic saritune deaf. They have also
said she may have meant accompliced, but shouldn't have made
the comment, should have said that, I'm like fair enough.
But yeah, she never should have said that, because, like
you said, I heard monkey, and I thought, what did
you say?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's what I heard at first too. I did not
know the term flying monkey outside of maybe the Wizard
of Oz saying.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
And apparently that's what the pop psychology term comes from,
you know, being an accomplice to a witch or somebody
who actually I didn't know that at the time either.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, specifically means somebody who used as a pawn of
a narcissist and that they are used to harm or
antagonize the victim of the narcissist. So it's very like,
it's very specific and complex, and something that she's not

(32:14):
qualified to to point out is that because.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
That's why I've bought me cattle. Okayvin, I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Know where she got her psychology degree from if she
hasn't exactly, So that one was like out of thin air.
She pulled that one really slicked. It was slick, that's
what it was. So I was like, wow, yeah, you
need to stop. So I had sent her a season's

(32:41):
assist to stop that. I also had planned to go
to her next protest and to actually in the season desist.
I told her my intention to sue her as well,
and I didn't tell her that I wasn't going to
sue her if she did some thing, you know, I
took it down or anything. I was just really telling her,

(33:04):
I'm going to sursue you and to stop doing this. So,
you know, she did not take it down, and so
I had planned to go to her next protest and
do the same thing, play music, But also I had
prepared a speech, so this time I was going to
say something, and the only thing I was going to

(33:25):
talk about actually was exactly what had happened at the
last protest, and to tell how she had falsely accused
me of stalking her for going to a protest and
using my first Amendment right, and I had written up
with she has helped a press release to you know,

(33:47):
talk about it, and we had publicly promoted it as
a performance. It was very known that we were doing this,
and this time we had placed ourselves at least one
hundred feet around a corner where we couldn't even see
each other because it was at TMZ headquarters, so there

(34:08):
was lots of room, There was lots of different areas
to go to, so there was no they weren't gonna
We was thinking, they can't pull nothing, you know, they
can't pull nothing this time. So we're performing. People at
tem Z are loving and they're even handing us money
and it's like wow, okay, so we're doing our jobs right,
and then they come all all the way from their

(34:32):
side to our side to attempt to serve Shift a
restraining order, okay, and in this restraining order there are
allegations with my name, calling me an accomplice to Shift

(34:56):
as a stalker. So well, I had gone all the
way over to them with the copy of the restraining
order to read out the different lines that they had
told about me, and also I had started to say

(35:16):
my press release as well, and her husband, Alexi Nicholas's
husband came up to me and tried to tried to
lie and say that Shift had threatened her life. I said,

(35:36):
what that is crazy? What Shift threatened her life? And
then he pointed to a picture where Shift was I
guess on Live and they had a caption saying if
the universe takes one more thing out of my hands,
They're going to be cold and dead. And I was

(36:01):
literally squinting hard to like try to look for where
he said I'm going to kill Alexa Nicholas. I was
really confused, and I was like, so, you're just gonna
lie and say that.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
And I'm fortunately this is very common for people to
just slide to police make shit up.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And he said yes. He said yes, I'm gonna lie
in front of everybody, everybody, including MELI Nie Veronica, who
was the person who attempted to serve Shift with the
restraining order. And I say attended because it was an
improper service. They did not do it correctly. They did
not do it legally or properly, which was stated by

(36:41):
the police later when they were eventually called. But we'll
get there in a second. So Melanie Veronica was present
when her husband lied and admitted that he was lying
about Shift threatening to kill Alexa Nicholas, and also Sloan
was there right there standing next to him, listening to this.

(37:08):
And I looked at all of them in the eyes
and said, you guys are standing right here protesting with
this guy, knowing that he's lying on somebody, And none
of them said anything. They just kind of slowly walked out.
They slowly walked away, and so it was just me
and him staring at each other, and I'm telling my

(37:32):
testimony from my press release right just basically to him,
because none of the other people are standing there anymore.
So I'm just saying my testimony to him, and then
I'm finished, and then I leave. Before I left, I
sang a song and then TMZ people were walking in
and out looking at it, and they were like okay,

(37:53):
Like they were like, wait, I thought this was something
like a protest. You're singing like they were. So they
were so confused but pleased at the same time. They
were like, wait, I thought you guys were like protesting something.
And then they were like listening like to the music.
I was like, oh nice, I actually like changed the
energy of this whole area to positive from negative. That's incredible.

(38:16):
So after I sang, I left, and me and Shift
continued with our performance, and then the police had arrived.
They had arrived pretty much in the middle between both
of us, right both of our camps, and so I
was like, wow, they really called the police on me.

(38:37):
So I'm going to go over to the police and
tell them what happened, because I already know they've been
told some lies. So I go over to the police.
I start walking and I actually have my violin in
my hands because I was playing violin over with Shift
while Shift was playing guitar and singing. So I walked
up to the police with my violin okay in hand,

(38:59):
and then they said I stop and stuff. I stopped.
I'm like, oh okay, and then they said put down. Nope, yeah,
put down the violin. I'm like, okay, and so I
put down the violin. I'm standing there with my hands
up and they said, uh, don't move or we'll take

(39:21):
you down. I'm like, whoa shit. So I'm standing still.
I'm like, take me down. I did nothing wrong, and
they said don't resist, and I'm like, I'm not re insane.
And i want the police footage cam of this to
come out, because the Los Angeles police knows damn well

(39:41):
that they were wrong for this. So they had said,
weren't you just served a restraining order yesterday? No, what
are you talking though, I'm so horrified. And in this
exact moment, as they're taking my arms and putting me
in handcuffs, a picture was taken of me Violet and

(40:08):
and this picture is on Google now. This picture is
of me at TMZ and I'm horrified the look scared
for your life. I was exactly scared for my life
because I'm thinking, oh, no, unarmed black person killed in

(40:28):
Los Angeles because he was playing the violin, and I'm
so scary. To me, I was like, oh my god,
what the fuck is gonna happen? Excuse my language, didn't
be so scary.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
And I knew.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I was like, oh my god, this is exactly what
they want. They want this. They want somebody who's in it,
nobody who's done nothing wrong. It was not, it was
not right now. And I'm telling them I'm not who
you think I am enough the person whatever, and they're like,

(41:10):
isn't your name ma Reicehuther. I'm like, yes, but I
don't have nothing against me. I don't have a criminal record.
I'm not the person like I'm not. And they just
wouldn't listen to me, and they threw me on top
of the looking car, like very forcefully, and they're like,
where's your ID. I'm like, it's in my pocket and

(41:32):
there's anything in there. No, it's just my wallet, you know.
And they take up my wallet, they take up my
D and then the cop looks at it and seize
my address oak Park, Illinois, and he's like, you're from
oak Park. I'm like yes, and he's like I've used
to live in oak Park. I'm like okay now, like

(41:57):
it's just all of a sudden, it's the whole energy change.
And then they just started being nice to me. They
were like, wait a minute, you're from oak Park. You're
like I know people from oak Park, like you can't
be you know, like that type a person involved in this,
not to say like, oh, Old Park is well, it's
just great. Also, I mean it is, but it's not

(42:17):
like nothing bad happens in oak Park, of course, but
the fact that I played the violin and I'm in
Los Angeles and I'm from oak Park, you know, I'm
not there to do nothing bad. I'm playing music. I'm
doing my destiny, like what.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
So you know, we're.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Talking now and we're like, he's like, wait, hold on,
we're going to clear this up. So they go back
over to Alexa Nicholas's camp and then within two minutes
they come over here and they say, we got the
wrong guy. And then they say we're sright. They take
on the handcuffs, you know, I walk back over the shift.

(42:58):
They come over to us. They say, hey, so we
have to serve you with this restraining order properly because
they did not serve you properly. They serve ship with
the restraining order and then right on a card that
says like no crime, you know, and then they leave
and it's like, oh my god, I will die.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
For this, Like did you at that moment, you know,
did you start opening up the ship, did you start
saying don't Oh my gosh, I cannot believe what just happened,
Like like you just told me, I almost died.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It was so crazy. Yeah, there's there's live footage of
this tooth. There's live footage of this tooth.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
We're gonna try to get it. We're gonna like it's
the lapd it's the cops period. We're gonna try. We're
gonna try, and you know, I do want take a
falls for a minute. I thank you for sharing this
because I know it's not easy. I know it's traumatic,
it's not easy to relive this, but I want to
thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Thank you for listening to me, because this is the
point of me being here. It's the fact that with lies,
with false accusations, with somebody going to court and putting
my name on a piece of paper that said I
did something to put somebody else into jeopardy. I almost

(44:32):
got in the cross hairs by trying to protect them,
trying to speak for them, trying to amplify their voice,
trying to just play my music and protect survivors.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
And the fact that she would do that to you
and just not think anything of it afterwards, Just well,
you know, I'm going to continue to terrorize him. You know,
she's going to continue on I. He can't. I'm not
a saying by any means. I'm just saying, any person
with any kind of you know, soul to them, I
can't imagine doing that. I can't imagine being okay with,

(45:11):
you know, having impart in that.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Well, Luckily I had sued her just a couple of
days before that event, and so my defamation lawsuit was
already in the words before this frivolous, fraudulent restraining order
that she filed against my friend using my name. So
I had cited now this new evidence of her lying

(45:37):
on me, and in this lawsuit that I had pending
on her. Her lawyer attempted to intimidate me to dismiss it, saying, oh,
we're going to use more evidence of you from TMZ
at you know, or in the in the Yeah, well,
at the hearing for the restraining order for the permanent one,

(46:01):
because they got a temporary one just from lying, and
then they were going to get a permanent one by
lying more. And I had seen the new evidence in
the picture of them, of them that they took of
me as I'm getting handcuffs on no context. Didn't even
say what happened is said Maurice Hubbert getting detained at TMZ,

(46:26):
no context that I was wrongfully detained. They very clearly
lied on court documents with no context, didn't even say
what really happened, and then went to the permanent hearing

(46:47):
and got it approved.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
Now I had been back and forth with her lawyer
because I was not going to drop my lawsuit, was
going to continue to pursue my claims. And then it
got to the point where we were in court mediation
because that's a necessary part of a lawsuit in the
LA court system. You have to sit down for mediations.

(47:15):
So we sat down for mediation, not physically but over
their online communication channel, and he was accusing me of
extorting her because I had sent a cease and desist.
So I had said to the court, do you see this,
but they're still accusing.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Me of stuff right here and now, And the court
said yes and told them to stop it. There is
transcripts of this on court document. So during our settlement agreements,
he continued to perpetuate new lies, new accusations against me
that he was planning on not even pursuing. Now they

(47:57):
said they were going to countersue against me for defamation
as well or harassment. That's what it was, for harassment.
I'm like, how am I harassing you? I played the
violin at a protest and I'm harassing you all of
a sudden. Wow, And you didn't even bring these claims
up until I suit you. Wow. So okay, this is

(48:19):
clearly retaliatory retroactive. And that's all they have. They have
retaliatory retroactive tactics to try and go back in time
and reimagine.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
What happened and take yeah all the time.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
And this is going on currently. Now, this event, this
event at TMZ is now being reimagined on court documents.
And now they're trying to give context of that sort
of photo. And now they're saying in that photo that
I was threatening Alexa Nicholas. There was at no point

(48:56):
in time during that day, during that week, during that
during that hour or minute I was even near Alexa Nicholas.
She wasn't even at the protest, and they're saying I
was threatening her. How was I threatening her? And I
was the one who was put into handcuffs due to them, lying,

(49:19):
how am I doing anything wrong when the police came
there and said there was no crime. So now you're
lying and making it look like that I was threatening
her and you called the police and they put me
in handcuffs. That is crazy work.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
And what was heartbreaking and horrifying is like you said,
this happens all the time, It's happened today, it's been happening.
I'm not minimizing what happened to you. I'm saying I
want people to know this is so scary, how common
this is. People need to know this.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
She reinvented the truth and it was incredible to see
how she's continuing to do it so that she can
put Shift in jail. Now it wasn't enough to get
the restraining order fraudulently passed. Now she has to say
that he violated the order.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Yeah, and he's trying to also get revenge on you
as well as well.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
But she is not allowed to talk to me, talk
about me like that. And so her new lawyer is
technically representing her and telling these lives to the court,
trying to put Shift in jail. And now I have
to try and fight this somehow legally. By now, suing
her for breach of contract, continuing my claim for decimation,

(50:45):
adding the new information and evidence of it on legal
court documents. Because how does your lawyer just make up
this stuff? So you're telling me your lawyer just made
it up without your consent, without your knowledge. You didn't
tell him the wrong story, You didn't tell him something
that didn't happen. And because he's your lawyer and he

(51:06):
has to believe you, he wrote it down on your behalf.
Are you telling me that your lawyer just wasn't there,
didn't even have this case in his hands until like
a month ago. Andrew Brettler, which is the lawyer she's
talking about publicly on Twitter. This guy has represented Prince
Andrew Bill Cosby.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Why I'm like, who is he represented?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Down? This is her lawyer, and he's you're telling me
just making up stuff on court documents out of thin air,
with no reference point. You're not telling him, which is
a third party. You're not telling him behind closed doors
something that didn't happen. Really, so he's just making it

(51:52):
up because there was no reference point. There was no
context for the original what is it restraining order, so
there was no words in the restraining order under that
picture now there are, so you're telling me those words
he just made up himself, and you didn't tell him
those words. We'll see in court. We'll definitely see that
in well all of the communications, you know, because attorney

(52:17):
client privilege does not cover a legal conduct. So we're
going to see if you violated this non disparagement agreement,
which is violating a contract that we have, and we'll
see what happened. Because this is how this is what
I wanted to prevent. This is why I'm here, because

(52:38):
people so easily can go to court lie make up
false accusations against people that did nothing wrong, that the
police came saw, said, did nothing wrong, that on live
footage can see publicly currently today did nothing wrong. But

(53:01):
because the court is limited and their scope of being
able to see and they can give and pick and
choose and cherry pick what happened and then write whatever
they want next to it, the court just takes that
verbato as fact and then you, who not even being
the person sometimes the action is against, have to fight

(53:23):
false accusations in court and somebody could literally be killed
or go to prison for a long time, and this
can be maybe to death row, you can put somebody
on death row, like.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Oh, that's scary. How common it is? One out eight people?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Are?

Speaker 7 (53:45):
You know though I don't.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Believe in execution is period. When it comes to innocent
people all being executed, it's one out debate, it is incredible.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
And then of course Shift is black, So then we
talk about how easy it is, oh gosh to assassinate
a black person and make them look crazy, make them
look violent, make them look hostile on paperwork, and then
the court takes it and believes it and biases them

(54:15):
in court, doesn't allow them to speak, doesn't see their evidence,
doesn't hear their motions. And that's happening to Shift in
La court. Shift had filed a termination request that I
was a listed declaration and testifying witness. I appeared to
court that day recently, just last month, and the judge

(54:40):
didn't even hear my testimony, didn't even look at the declarations,
and didn't even see the motion in court threw it
out after the court had already approved the hearing previously.
That's why we were there. Just threw it out, didn't
hear it, said Shift was going to have to read,
asked to do it. The termination requests, and then at

(55:04):
that court hearing is when the other side filed new
paperwork trying to accuse me of threatening Alexa Nicholas. Now
so now I have to even fight harder in another
declaration to even dispel these new allegations.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
This is exhausting, and say, I cannot imagine what this
has putting you through.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
It needs to stop. She needs to stop this. Whoever
is supporting her needs to stop this. Who's ever backing her,
Whichever lawyers that she's doing musical chairs with today, she
needs to stop. Joe Dunn, Rudy Pacheco, Jeff Anderson, Andrew Brettler,
all of these lawyers need to stop because they are

(55:55):
ruining lies. They are putting somebody close to the ground
or not under it. So they need to stop.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Also, I want to say thanks to those who are
subscribe to your Patreon. Uh so I don't want to,
you know, bully ain one. I don't want to, you know,
say this is on you. I just want to send
a hand and say, look, by finding her Patreon, you
are helping her. You know, uh, you are helping and

(56:28):
you are enabling her basically, even if you don't realize
that unintentionally, you are enabling her. You are empowering her
to continue with her channel, with spreading lives like this,
you are enabling her to have a voice, keep her
out there in the public sphere. So I am politely
asking you to please, if you're subscribed to her, please

(56:50):
don't subscribe. Please don't uh continue to contribute to her Patreon.
That is up to you. Of course, I cannot make
you do anything. I don't want anyone to all see
this is a threat or that I'm bullying anyone. That's
not it. I'm just saying, be careful who you support,
and please do your research. Don't take our work for it,

(57:12):
do your research so blindly follow us. I'm just saying,
be careful who you support, because you don't know who
you're enabling. And that's just I'm going to leave it
at fat.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I do want to say, you know, this is a
larger problem than just me and Shift. This is a
bigger problem than Alexa Nicholas and you know. But this
is something that is so scary and so prevalent that
people need to know, people need to do something about it.

(57:46):
And the first thing about it is awareness and going
and looking up into cases where somebody has been wrongfully accused,
somebody has been wrongfully convicted, somebody has been wrongfully put
onto death role or in life in prison, and and
worst case, somebody has been wrongfully executed by the state.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
And I thank you so much for saying that. I
truly thank you because you know myself, other advocates are
trying to get out that out there. You have as well,
that how commonness is that at least two people they
are wrongfully convicted. When it comes to people are roughly executed,
like I said, more than likely more than that. That's

(58:30):
just what we know so far. But so the thing is,
an innocent black person it's seven times more likely to
be roughly convicted of murder than an guilty white man
of the same crime. And when it comes to the
wrong blizations that often lead to all wrathful convictions, a

(58:55):
lot of times there's no evidence. They're just going off
the word of the huser as well as people that
they you know, made play deals with or to be witnesses.
And sometimes there is evidence to prove their innocence, but
they don't allow it to be submitted because there are
people who say, well there was evidence they wouldn't allowed it.

(59:17):
The judge, the district attorney. I can't say we're not
allowing this evidence. I see it all the time. It
happened to my friend Frerika Lobe, Timothy mcgrinter. You know,
there's no evidence none. They just went off the word
of the people who are agreed to testify against them,
at witnesses who were connected to those people who couldn't

(59:38):
even identify him correctly. We stayed on that rock solid
despite that rock solid alibi, they were able. You know,
they just looked at the bunch of a bunch of
gang gang members. You know, I'll forget them them, you know.
And also that a lot of times these are also

(59:59):
very politically driven. That's the case with tim Timothy so
many people, and like you said, especially when it comes
to people of color, not saying it doesn't happen to
white people. It does, but if majority of the time
happens to people of color, especially black people, And as
soon as jury sees person of color, especially against a

(01:00:21):
white woman. I'm saying this as a white one myself,
especially against a white woman. Yeah, let's sympathy. He's gonna
go torture, and I'm just we need Yeah, we implore
you do your research. When it comes to people I
advocate for. Please do your research. If you have questions,
I welcome them. I want you to ask me, because

(01:00:44):
I don't. The last thing we want you to do
either one of us is to follow us blindly. You
know you shouldn't do that with anyone. And so please
do your research because if you said listen to me
the other day, if everyone knew about convictions, this would end.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yes, and it wouldn't be able to fly through court
like you know, freaking paper airplane like it is so
easy for you to just make it up. And if
you have enough pictures that look scary and black and white,
oh gosh, yeah, you might get something, you know, more

(01:01:28):
than you asked for, which in this case, the judge
very interestingly granted more in the restraining order than was requested,
such as shit is not allowed to not simply just
not talk about Alexa in public, you know, or social media,

(01:01:50):
but not allowed to talk about Alexa, her husband, her child,
her and her protest movement, eat predators. He's not allowed
to talk about eat predators.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
He's a reporter, he's a journalist, he helped eat predators.
He's not allowed to talk about eat predators. How is
that she didn't even request that, That wasn't even something
that she put in the restraining order requests and that's
something the judge just granted extra Like why, well that's interesting.

(01:02:27):
What does the judge know? Who is the judge?

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Wait, what's going on here? And this is the same
courthouse that put Britney Spears in a conservative ship. So
this is very you know, it's very illuminating of how
it's run and how things are able to be done,
you know, fraudulently, frivoslessly, you know, with false accusations, false information,

(01:02:55):
false tests of moods like just false, just it's just
not true.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Yeah, and then this flies by through court every day
every day and people are walked up for life put
on death row based on stuff exactly like this, and
this could happen to shift and we need to get
this out there, you know all And also just a stress.
I know it's the same as I'm sorry, y'all, but

(01:03:21):
it's just so common and yeah and all, but okay,
so called action plan, So what can we do to
help you? Because I know sharing this podcast as well
as the previous episodes would help you a lot witness.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Yes, going back doing you know the breadcrumb trips, you're
doing the homework. Yes, you can start at the last
interview I did with Sarah, which was and that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Very first one on my podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Ya, so you know it's talking about exactly what went down,
how it went down. The second one I did it
was more of a follow up of like what happened afterwards,
because me and Shift had fallen out at one point
and it had definitely compromised part of the restraining order

(01:04:17):
hearing because I had appeared, but because me and Shift
weren't really on good talking terms and I was still
suing Alexa Nicholas, and I was really I was unsure
of how the results would affect my lawsuit if she's
able to get the restraining order and somehow have now

(01:04:37):
prove that I did something to her because the judge
approved it based off of accusations against me, that my
defamation lawsuit would look frivolous because it's been proven in
a different court that I did something, but the proof
was false. There was no context, no, nothing was even

(01:04:58):
stated that I did. It was just my face and
then the wrong it wasn't didn't even think wrongfully, which
was just a clear bastardization of the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
It was clear they were.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Trying to paint me as a criminal, as somebody I
am not. I have no criminal record, and I don't
want money. So this is very important for me to
do because if they can do this to shift, what's
stopping her to doing it for me? To me? And
the question is too, if she felt threatened by me,
why did she never file a restraining order against me?

(01:05:35):
You can't put multiple people on a restraining order. You
can only put one restraining order per person. So why
did you file a restraining order against somebody else with
my name in it stating I was doing something that
I didn't do but that was a crime, and did
not report me to the police, did not file a
restraining order against me, and did not sue me until

(01:05:59):
I sued you for defamation.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Maybe because I did nothing wrong, Maybe because there's not
enough evidence to say I threatened you in the first place,
But that saying that I threatened you is enough evidence
apparently to do that to somebody else. You see, the
burden of the truth is not on me, because if
she made it on me to be the one to

(01:06:24):
present my evidence of whether I did that or not.
She would lose in court instantly. It would not even
pass a test. And she knows this. So she's maneuvering
to my friend to try to get to him and
make him suffer the consequences of something. She's saying, I'm
doing wild, absolutely wild, and who else.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
I'm not saying she's doing this to somebody else. I'm
just saying it's possible she is, and I also very possible.
Just my opinion. Let me sink that my opinion. I
don't believe she'll stop, you know, with just a sheft
oh putting you involved, I don't believe she'll stop. I believe,
you know, as long as she's being enabled, she'll continue.

(01:07:14):
That's how I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Well, as long as she keeps getting free counsel from
big shot, shot named lawyers that are probably billionaires or
we know they represent billionaires. So they're definitely getting paid
maybe two hundred and fifty thousand dollars an hour by somebody,
you know, and it might not be her because she
doesn't have that money, so we know they're doing it

(01:07:36):
for free. They're just using her, you know, for their
public gain. Because she's a high profile victim, and if
they can put their name on a lawsuit or something
that she is in, now that kind of qualifies them
as somebody who's four survivors, even though they are protecting
the abusers, the alleged and convicted abusers. Okay, it's like, wait,

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your your clients go to jail. So how are you
exactly helping anybody here? It seems like you're just taking
money and you don't care if they're gonna win or lose.
That's why it's so concerning, because lawyers are that dirty.
They will just take a case knowing this is frivolous,
it ain't gonna work, and then at the end of

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the day they get paid.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
Oh yeah, you know, exactly follow the money. You know.
That's where it's about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
You know, it's it's wild. So I'm just you know,
I'm just one person who's affected by a larger systematic problem.
But my story hopefully is enough to get people to hear,
you know, more about this and to hear other people's stories.

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If anything, if you can't do anything to help me,
help somebody else, you know, put somebody else's story out there.
If you don't believe me, and you don't believe my story,
at least look into somebody else's story who was wrongfully
accused and just see if there was ever any point
that the state knew that it was not true, because

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that's also something that has happened. The state finds out
that they were innocent after already convicting.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
That they know beforehand too, Like they know beforehand in
the federal government, So they know beforehand. But like I
just mentioned, there's just two examples out of many. But Frederico,
the state knew all they hid, They wouldn't allow the
DNA evidence couldn't be The federal government knew. They even
arrested him without an indictment. They knew the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
M M. That's why that public information that anybody can
look up. It's not like it's not like this doesn't
have and it's not like it's rare. It happens way
too up for it to even be a called the
justice system. If it's justice for who for whom?

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Yeah, well of the elite, especially if you're off white
cis ginger straight man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
M Yeah, and you have enough money, you know you
can you can buy your way out of the case.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
That's exactly brought. They are what people who are most punished,
of course black people. People's college journal, especially black people
and minorities, and especially if you don't have enough money
for a hot shot attorney. Yeah, I mean, they'll put
you in prison for the most petty crimes, like my

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friend Shawan Edwards six to twenty years in federal prison,
twenty years in state prison, which he's now serving his
twenty years shake prison sentence on a very minor crime.
And yeah, and shocker, the investigat ours cases a clansman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Who whoa That doesn't surprise me unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Oh no, No, I mean that's pretty calmless. The cops
and the same cop, David Linley. The information's out there.
I'm not slammering anyone. David literally wore his clan rode
to work, you know, a year before he did this
to Searan, and he's there's a pattern of them doing
this to black people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Look it up, you know, That's all I got to say.
Look it up, look public, please, because that's what stops
people from doing this in the dark, you know, exposing
it in the light. The only way that they could
do this is without people knowing. The only way that
they could get shift in a restraining order is without
people knowing the actual stuff that she's saying in that

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restraining order and holding her publicly accountable and saying, wait,
we saw the live that didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Yeah, I saw the live and I wouldn't. I know.
I've talked with you. I'm not saying just take my
word for it. Please do your research. I'm here to
stay to you. Just I realized, you know, it's so
easy for me to say what I thought it. I
get that. I always stress transparency with my listeners, always do.

(01:12:19):
This is something I did personally see and I was
ready to testify. When you two were first going to
go to court. You asked me, could you testify half
I said absolutely, because I'm not going to falsely testify
again someone. But I realized, you know, people can have
a one persona where they actually they stand for something,

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but behind the scenes they don't. I get that, I'm saying,
I realize it's so easy to say trust me. All
I can say is, though I just asked that you
do your research about me as a person. I'll feel
free to ask me questions, and you know, keep also,

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don't be afraid to hold me accountable if I slip up,
because the last thing I ever wanted someone to go,
oh no, can't do but it with Sarah. But I
just told my character speaks for my itself that I
would never falsely put someone in prison. I would never
testify else on's behalf who I thought was guilty. And
I'll so. And I've been mistakes before. I defended somebody

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you know all who you know there's more like public
day life on social media who I thought was in
a s I'm like, I got this wrong and sorry, sorry,
so so I got made mistakes making that clear. But
I'm just saying I hope my character speaks for itself,
that I admit but I'm wrong, and that you know

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I'm going to uh always be as transparent as possible
with you all, and also ask you please do your
research in that you know I've been friends with laughing,
They've been a pushed for my fore years. If they
weren't telling me the truth, I would have figured out
something by now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
There would have been some new evidence that was actually
new that would have been yes, oh I didn't see that.
I didn't hear about that. But the only things that
come out about me are things that everybody saw happened
that no, that that's not right, that's a lie. And unfortunately,

(01:14:30):
you know, I can only just right now talk about
it publicly, you know, in a sense of this is
just what happened. I can't say how I feel about it.
I can't say how I feel about certain people. I
just can tell you what happened. You can go look
into it. Because I do have a contract now. The

(01:14:52):
fact that it has been violated and I can go
to court to you know, pursue my claims. That is
something that kind of loosens me up a little bit
to say, oh no, if you're gonna go to court
and you're gonna start lying on me, okay, well, I'm
just going to tell the truth again and again and again,
and I will be the one who can sue you

(01:15:16):
for violating it. You can't suit me for telling the
truth publicly. That's how already said. I've already said every
like ninety nine percent of what I just said in
this interview has been said before in some type of way.
There might have been maybe like a few more details

(01:15:37):
that I gave as far as just like the moment
in time, but that exact story I did tell before.
So if I get sued or countersued, which they like
to do in retaliation for suing her for breach of contract,
because I went on a podcast and talked about something
I already went on a podcast to talk about that

(01:15:57):
I've already been on a podcast before to talk about.
That is the laughable element of their whole plan, that
there's nothing that you can do, because if there was
something you could do, you would assued me earlier. You
would have put you know, you would have put me
on a police report, and that would have actually done something.

(01:16:18):
There would have been, you know, more evidence for you
to actually pursue a restraining order against me. But I've
never done any of the things you said I did,
so there's nothing you have on me, and I have
so much now more to pursue my defamation case, which
is amazing. It's unfortunate, but it's amazing that I get

(01:16:42):
to continue to pursue my case against her. You know,
because I was thinking for a while daying, you know,
it kind of like sucks. I can't report on this
anymore because my hands are tied. I can't speak, you
know what I really want to feel? Oh, she violated it.
Oh all right, let me get back to reporting on
the predators, right to get back to my job. Now,

(01:17:04):
you know, that was a nice little hiatus I took.
I mean, it's it's it's not supposed to be funny,
but it is laughable how she ended up agreeing to
something that she couldn't even abide by.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
It's exactly so okay. Besides, I'll sharing everything. Where can
we find you? On social media?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
You can find me my music every well not everywhere anymore.
My music is not no longer on streaming services, but
you can look up my name on Google. Lappie l
A p I on the beat all one word. My
music is on band camp, so you can go to
Lappyondebeat dot bandcamp dot com, and you can find me

(01:17:51):
on Instagram. That's pretty much were on the most active
on social media at Lappyondebeat dot Yeah, just at lap
beyond the Beat.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Awesome. And I guess all any other ways to support
you all? Can you think of anything else to support
you or to keep the word out there and also
the word about her other victims as well, and puliplying
their name and just victims in general.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yes, I would actually implore people to share this interview
because this is a currently ongoing public situation that you know,
if people don't know about it, Alexa can continue to
use these court documents to validate her story quote unquote

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of being a victim of stocking, which she does not have.
She does not have a story. She has a fictional
tale and it is not anywhere close to even good.
It's a very bad lie that she's telling and a
lot of people know, but not enough people know. So
more people knowing about the lie that she has been

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telling about me being an accomplished or stalking, that would
be great. That would help me personally feel better at night.
That okay, people are at least sharing the truth as
much as she's lying. People are knowing and sharing the truth.
That's great news to me.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
The amplifying this interview absolutely and knowing also the vistal
pattern of hers because there are other videos out there
of people being victimized by her, and also knowing just
doing your research about wrongsel convictions how common this is
that unfortunately Lacky is not feeling one shift is not

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the only one, and seeing you know, like for people
asking understandably, so, how can the court follow this just
we asked to do research about wrongful convictions. If you
don't mind doing research about people I've interviewed and saying oh, okay, yeah,
this happens all the time in court and seeing how

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sadly how easy this is. But yes, please amplify this
and as well as other victims stories of Alexa uh,
the whole eat Preator's movement. Oh, I know some people
have miss thin flood to believe it's a nonprofit. It's not. Uh,
just putting that out there. It's not a profit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
It's a corporation that is not a nonprofit organization. It's
not a cherry. If you're donating quote unquote, you're donating
to a for profit corporation. That means that the people
who work for it, they make money. So it's not
like they everything goes to something. Everything goes into their
pockets and then they decide what to spend things on

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if they want to. It's not it's not what you
think it is on the outside.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
And that's why I'm asking people, you know, just be
careful who you follow, who you donate money or donate by.
They big off look at the donation understandably, but when
it comes to their Patreon, even I follow enables that person,
So that's putting out that people to consider.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, she does not need more help, you know, she
clearly has a lot of it. So you know, I
will be sending my you know, communications and correspondence to
her new lawyer very soon.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
And I'm going to continue what helping you out behind
the scenes. I don't want to put that out there
would be better that idea, but we're going to keep
you all updated as always about this. So again, where
this is under better circumstances hopefully will be soon, but
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
You forget it will be under better circumstances. I predict
very very you know, from this situation, it's going to
be much better outcomes instead of what has been now
that it has escalated to the point where I have

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a first sure claim, I have a I can't even
go back and say, oh, you know, flying Monkey was
a psychology turn. That's not even gonna fly now because
you've now gone above and beyond Flying Monkey. You've never
said things that you didn't say before, like that's crazy work. No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
No, I agree, it's gonna be a better outcome. Like
I said, we're gonna keep you all upcated and like
I'm going to continue to help my friend as well
as you know, I'll just assisting everyone that not like
I can. But we also ask for your help assisting
everyone that you can't because it takes a village always,

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So as always I ask you keep spreading that word
see against him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
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light is gone and carry baby. That a very nice
by keep a close dear house, Oh love the precious
kind of shrive you crazy because you right the maness
in the morning. It's all kind event, it's John be

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a faded say be careful with sides. Not every I
didn't kinda guide you.

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