June 30, 2025 • 27 mins
This week on Whyte Noise, Michael and Ryan are joined by special guest Lindsay to unpack the world of online shopping—from the psychology of dopamine hits to the rise of quiet luxury and the sneaky power of free shipping. They explore how shopping habits have changed post-COVID, the emotional triggers behind consumer behavior, and Lindsay’s behind-the-scenes take on the retail industry and shopping addiction. It’s a smart, funny, and revealing look at why we buy what we buy.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Oh it's working.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh my goodness. Despite technical difficulties.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is what noys Ryan and I were having. It
was a little bit of a struggle bus getting onto
our recording site today, recording site, I sound like my mother,
but our lovely guest, my dear friend, Lindsay, did not
have trouble getting on. Hi, Lindsay, thank you so much
for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hi, good morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's nice to finally meet you.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You too.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Ryan has heard a lot about Lindsay. So Lindsay is
a very dear friend who lives around the corner from
me and Brian, Brian and I me and Brian anyway,
lives around the corner and has been friends with Brian
for what like my boyfriend for over ten years.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I want to say thanks, So I lost count yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, And like when I entered the picture, bartenders were like,
wait a second, why are you cheating on your wife?
So for a minute there, Lindsay became my wife as well.
I was so excited to chat about our topic today
with the EXAR topic, as you know, is online shopping.
You have worked in the retail space for a very long.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Time half of my life, or more so now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What's your specialty?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh, right now, I'm specifically working in e commerce for
a luxury company previously, so now I'm doing more so
remote selling and customer service. Previously I was basically doing
what our friend Brian does, styling guests in store and
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working you know, wardrobing them and working on different events.
They might have been in retail and the luxury fashion space.
Since I graduated college, I studied in Italy as well.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Do you have a preference towards the Italian designers as
a result? For sure, he is who's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So right now Dulcin Gabana is on the radar because
of you know, Jeff Bezos's wedding. You know, the Kardashians
are wearing it as well, so it's all over Instagram
right now now. Huge fan of Leopard Prince, so they're
always using that as well as you know the fact
that everyone seems to be in Italy right now, so
(02:10):
you know adult and Gabon is very much known for
their you know Malfy Coast, you know, prints and on
brand and on season with the summer.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So I'm not a super like designer wearing person, although
I have a couple of things that I like, and
I feel like, at the end of the day, they're
probably kind of boring, but I do love a good
pair of Ferragamo loafers.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You did, Oh nice, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, And I studied in Florence and their headquarters is
in Florence.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Again, to me, I'm like, I'm currently wearing old navy
and just a baseball hat that's just old, and shorts
that are recycled denim shorts that wear Brian's dad's pants
that he had turned into shorts, so they're like a
triple head made out in full on fashion. Play Listen,
you have no idea.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Actually, I will tell you. I wore my Irma's belt
home one of the like when I got it for
the first time, I was very excited about it, and
my mom saw it, and my mom was like, oh,
that's a nice ballat is that hill figure?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh see. I would probably be with your mom. I'd
be like, that's so fancy. Is that a hill figure belt?
And You're like, oh no, Although.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oddly enough that I feel like that is the thing
to say to the like, that's one of those things
like if somebody pulled up in a Ferrari and you'd go,
that is a gorgeous Corvette.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh I thought you're gonna say that's a great Mazda.
Oh well, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Mean no, don't get me wrong. And I think the
Corvette is a phenomenal car. I'm not picking on the Corvette,
but like Hill Figure is a phenomenal brand. It's just
not a Ferrari. And that's like he'll Figure is a
great brand. It's just not Hermetz.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
But you know what, it's almost a compliment because it's
quiet luxury. Isn't quiet luxury very much hi luxury? Right
now luxury, lindsay, explain exactly what quiet luxury is.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Please.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So it's no logos, a lot of neutral color, not
so much Prince more so just very neutral, you know, brown,
a lot of beige creams.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what's funny is this is actually a Boss Polo?
Oh is this is this quiet luxury? It has Boss
on it, but it's in black. You can't see it.
Is this quiet luxury?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, since it's black on black, it's more quiet? Yes,
more so quiet.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's more quiet okay.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, as opposed to loud luxury, which is when you
have a T shirt that says blendsai Yaga and it's
literally screaming at you. Okay, but online shopping. So I'm
excited because you're sort of on the other side of it. Lindsay,
you like receive all the stuff, Like when something goes
wrong and people are like, where's my armas belt? You
have to solve their problem.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yes, but I'm also a consumer, so it goes goes
both ways.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Lindsay, what's the hot thing that you really want right
now that you haven't purchased for yourself but you want
and your weight You're just like, in other words, you're
waiting maybe for that moment for it to either like
you're gonna do it at some point just as it is,
or you've decided like I'm gonna wait for that sale,
I'm gonna watch out for and grab, but I'm gonna
get that thing. It's gonna be mine.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I've wanted a Fendy baguette bag, which has become extremely
popular because of Sex and the City.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh. I just put him biget bag into Google and
it just brought up bags that look like begats.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Lindsay, this one's fifty nine to ninety nine. Would you
like a bag that looks like a bag at I'll
get one for you.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Betsy Johnson did a big gap bag that looks like
a big gap bag and it's only eight one hundred
and eighteen dollars. I see, just go for that. It
even has little seeds on it. Okay, shall we shall
(05:48):
we dive in?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Are you ready, lindsay?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I'm ready?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay. Who would you like to hear? Go first?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Ryan?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How does this always happen?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Everyone always picks Ryan, And it's wonderful because Ryan always
researches more than me. So I love it. I learned
some things and that I can sort of riff on it. Actually, no,
I read some really interesting articles before this one. I
will say I did a fun a fun little died
this morning. But yes, Ryan just instills confidence in people.
I think I don't know about that, I mean still
(06:19):
confidence in me. Ah, thank you?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Okay go It's an addiction at the end of the day,
and actually based upon one of the things you shared, Linday,
I now have like a question related to addiction, maybe
closer to the end, not for you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Now that I'm looking at you, you seem like a
person who knows are you addicted? And this is welcome
to sneaky aa.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's actually a confrontation.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
We actually brought you here.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Is there anything you'd like to say now? So it's
kind of funny like adding things to your cart creates
a dopamine hit in your brain, and it essentially is
like mimicing. Well, outside of the adding cart, the overall
experience kind of mimics gambling. Oh, it hits your variable
reward loop, which create you know, basically causes you to
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constantly come back for more, right, And that comeback for
more concept is the idea of like what will I find?
So like for example, Azum, like you already know this,
I'm telling this to you. Is if like you know,
you buy you buy the bagette bag in the green,
and then but you know that there's other colors that
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would go better with what you're going to wear next
Friday night, and then suddenly you're like, I really want
the pink, and then like the pink will it go
on sale? It goes on sale? Now, like you'd be
silly not to buy it, I know. So it's that
whole variable kind of reward mimicking gambling thing where you
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hit a sale or the color you want it appears
and suddenly you've won, and then on top of it
all the idea that you have endless choices, going back
to that idea that there's so many variations in the
things that you might like that it overloads your prefrontal
cortex and our brains love rewards. So as your prefrontal
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cortex becomes overloaded with all of the endless choices, options
and things that you could do in ways that you
could work to win, your impost control just goes poof
and then suddenly it's all in your shopping cart and
you go click by. It also happens to trigger the
nucleus accumbans, which is your pleasure center. So this is
(08:43):
related to retail therapy. So retail therapy is a thing
where essentially all of these, all these all the dopamine
hits that you encounter in here trigger your pleasure center
and it numbs negative emotions and thus you do actually
start to feel better when you start.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh, it hits your mental g spot and you feel better.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You're like, oh at more. Actually, on a random topic,
I was listening to a podcast the other day that says,
I mean, this is completely unrelated that the that there's
now stuff that says that the g spot itself is
actually not necessarily a real thing. What yeah, that it's
actually more likely just in like a place that allows
(09:31):
you to kind of access the glitteris a little bit differently,
so it's not really a different spot per se. But anyway,
fun fact something for everyone to go research. Back on topic,
Ryan Adhd and that I love that you just brought
(09:52):
it back yourself. You're like, no, Ryan, let's get back
to where any longer. No more of a China talk.
That's a different show. Oh there's nothing like a man
talking about a vagina.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So the thing that I tripped over that I thought
was kind of interesting and one of the most psychologically
manipulative items in online shopping is the psychological psychological effective
free shipping and why it's a trap. Oh yeah, so
there is something called the zero price effect, right, and
(10:34):
our brain, for some odd reason, I don't think it's
for some odd reason, our brains overreact to the word free.
We hear free and we're like, what mm hmm, I
could have this for free. So it activates the reward center,
just kind of like the same way if you see
a discount on something, so suddenly you feel like you
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don't have to pay for some sort of overhead that
you may have had to pay for before, and you're like, yeah,
so it's like free. People will spend more to avoid
a five dollars shipping fee than they would have just
to get five dollars off the product. Free feels like
you're getting away with something. The cart padding is another one,
so the minimum to get free shipping, and this will
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trigger people to be like, well, I wasn't gonna pick
up that extra pink bag, but if I get that
pink bag, I don't have to pay the thirty five
dollars shipping, So it's like getting thirty five dollars off
that bag, So you know what, I might as well
get both. It's a loss of version and a justification.
So your brain hates wasting money on shipping, so it'd
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rather spend more money to feel like it saved something.
Fascinating because I am the biggest sucker for that. Especially
when ordering food. Have you ever disappointed yourself by then
going and looking at if you just called the restaurant
directly for it, what the delta is on the price
on the app versus what they just sell it for
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at the No.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But I have felt bad when I'm like I could
have walked a block down the road and just gotten it.
They're getting you trust me, Oh so gotcha gal.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The other is cognitive distant dissonance evasion. So paying for
shipping feels stupid, like you're losing money on something to intangible,
so your brain rewrites the script. Oh, I'll totally use
that extra candle sock bottle opener someday, which I will
tell you right now that is maybe one of my
biggest that like I'll be like, oh, like, I'll just
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go ahead and get that extra one, and then it's
kind of like time will pass and I'll be like, oh,
it still has the tags on it. I never opened it. No,
I didn't ever use it. So again it's like you
feel like you're being duped by shipping fees, so you
make mental gymnastics to justify it.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
There's restocking fees too now for returning.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You might as well just keep it. Yeah, keep it.
I will share something that kind of happened this weekend
in that in that vein, and I'm probably gonna end
up keeping this for some odd reason. But I but
I'll explain in a second. I think my mind is
just crossing some wires and I came up with something
I want to share. So I'm going to anchoring. By
anchoring biases, the original shipping fee becomes the anchor, so
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when it gets removed, it feels like a bonus, even
if the price of the product was quietly bumped up
to cover it. Sneaky, sneaky, right, So this is this
is the same thing I was just sharing and kind
of buying food online, which is the price is bumped
up to ultimately cover it, maybe even make you pay more,
but you've you've anchored to it as your decision point
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for moving forward and then endownment effects. So once something
is in your cart, your brain starts to treat it
as if it's already yours. So it's mine, I already like,
already like it kind of I've already bought it. And
I mean, like if I think about how many things
sit in my cart in Amazon that I don't buy,
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but I'm like, yeah, it's there, and I'll like get
it tomorrow. So like me, I'll just go ahead and
do that. The little story that I had so so random.
We we went to this, We went to this lumber
yard up here, to pick up this stuff called hardy plank,
and hardy plank is like a sighting that you put
on the side of your house. And we don't have
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like a big truck. We have like a suv that
we used to haul this crap around and hardy plank
didn't fit well in it. And the guy is like,
you should just buy it two by twelve to give
it support and bring it back right, And I was like, yeah,
(14:44):
that's a great idea. That's exactly what I'm going to do.
So I ran back in and I buy this thirty
five dollars board that we used to support it. And
at the end of the day I had to buy it.
There was no way I was going to get it,
get the hardy plank back to the house without breaking
without buying this stupid board. And like, we get the
hardy plank out and the two by twelve is hanging
(15:06):
out of the car and James is like, what are
you going to do with this? And he's like, you're
going to take it back? And I'm like I'm like,
I don't. I mean, I'm going to have to pay
that toll to take it all the way back, and
then I'm going to have to spend all that gas
to drive it out there, and like by the time
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I finally get back out there, I may not be
able to. I think, I'm just we're just going to
keep it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You got upsold, so you're sold marchand that is additionally
that you didn't really need for you know, per se,
but now it's an inconvenience to return it, so you're
probably going to keep it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And then I also did that thing and I was like,
I'll use it somewhere. I have a point here. And meanwhile,
it's going to be four years out and here's going
to be that two by twelve, which is two by
twelve by twelve. It's an absolutely massive piece of wood
that's like just floating around the house. Is if it
has a home. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Anyway, there was your ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
They're perfect. So given the fact that you're around, like
customer service are their experiences people talk about where like
people call in and they're like this person is fucking addicted,
Like this person has a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yes, oh, where people have been like cut this client off.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, if they keep the merchandise, we're not going to
cut them off because we're there to you know, sell merchandise,
but we have people that are chronic, you know, buyers
and returners. I don't know what they do with the product,
but a lot of retailers will send you a letter,
you know, stating that we're not going to continue to
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do business with you because you have like one hundred
return raid or because it costs you know, the company
resources and shipping fee.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Re stocking and the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, okay, you ready my turn then sure?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, okay, go so dam This is one time where
I kind of looked at the same things as you did.
I did read about the psychology behind it. The couple
of things I'll add to what Ryan said though, which
I thought was interesting, which we sort of touched on here.
A big part of online shopping, which I read went
up forty three percent after COVID. Oh my god, that's
(17:38):
what COVID did for shopping, which I think is an
insane number, like it had been steadily going up but
by like really small increments. And then literally the online
shopping industry saw forty three percent profit jump after COVID.
That has not gone down like it has stayed there
because before that I read that people didn't line shop
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for like basic things like toilet paper, wind decks. You
know your your well you did, but you just have
You're just too important and your time is too valuable
you to do. I'm like, you live in a walk up,
you're you have an excuse.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, and I don't have a car, so it's convenient.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You know, but I think your your average American. I
think this was also a worldwide number two. So it
was like the US, the UK, like a lot of places,
and that was the main thing they were like most
people saved online shopping for like specialty stuff that you
couldn't normally get, like a rare record that you could
only find on eBay or stuff like that, or like
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a special thing that they didn't have in the store
that day so you had to buy it online.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I do love the e base.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Oh So the other psychological thing that we kind of
touched on. A big reason people found that they loved
it is especially if shopping brings you joy, if you're
one of those people where it's therapeutic. People discovered that
shopping online takes away a lot of the friction of shopping,
which is human interaction, because with human interaction becomes any
kind of emotional anything, And especially if you're somebody who's
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any level of insecurity, or you know, you're just doing
retail therapy, you feel judged, even if you aren't being judged.
You're that person who's just like, oh, well, I'm just
buying that, Like you're that person who feels the need
to justify it to the cat. The person who's like
checking you out at the store, who honestly, as I'm
sure Lindsay can attest, doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm only buying this cucumber, this cucumber and hand cream
because I have dry hands and I love cucumbers. I
don't look at me that way.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, And meanwhile the cashier is just like, ma'am, I'm
making twenty dollars an hour. I truly don't care, like
you know, but it takes away any kind of judgment
that you might have, as well as second thought, because
you have to like drive to the store or walk
to the store, you have to go in, you have
to like put clothes on to go out in public,
like it's work maybe where well that's no shoes, no problem.
(19:57):
There's there's too many obstacles, whereas online just makes it
so easy to make poor decisions, So like when you
go to a store, you have to really so all
that friction is gone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Can I you share? I feel like Costco has solved
this for the in store experience, and I don't know
why or how, because I will go stand on that
fucking line. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And Costco lines are seven miles long, like you might've
been on a marathon.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I will tell you though, they do move oddly fast,
art full.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And also I feel like Costco is like the physical
version of Amazon where you go into buy toothpaste and
you come out with a she shed and a sectional couture. Yeah,
and croissants and you're just like, but enough croissants for
good about it for the entirety of the first grade.
So so yeah, so that was part of it. No,
no worries. And then as you as you said, the
other psychological thing is to the anticipation, how it's like Christmas.
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That's also half the fun is the waiting for it
to arrive, and then when it does arrive, you'll get
to open the box and it's so exciting, which is
why I think unboxing videos are so popular. People love
the like the unboxing experience that you don't get when
you shop and just take it home and it's just
in a back like it's such sort of a mental
it's so anti climactic. The exciting thing was the paying
(21:09):
for it. Now the exciting things is the arrival. So
that psycho psychological part of it too, which I think
people become hooked on is the receiving, which Lindsay, like
you said, is probably why so many people buy things
because they want to just get it and they're so
excited and then they're like, oh, but now I don't
need it, so I'm just going to send it back
because the happiness is over. My mental g spot has
been tickled and now it's done, which, as we all
(21:32):
know now is just purely mental. But yeah, I think
that's interesting and I see why it's such a slippery slope.
And also there's the thing where a lot of people
will like buy a lot of stuff online after drinking
or being home you know late or after a stressful day,
and then you forget you bought it, and then it arrives,
and then that feeling is like doubly fun because it's like,
what did I get? I don't even remember buying anything on.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Our bar in Asbury Park. Oh, I'm sure you saw it.
There is a penis decanter. Yeah, yes, okay, I no
fucking clue when I bought that. Like, I don't remember
when I made the purchase.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Where did you find a thing? Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know. It was probably advertised on fucking Instagram
and I was like, oh, that'd be fun, you know,
and like it's the dumbest thing ever. I totally forgot
about it. Months went by, like it was probably one
of those things that they didn't make it till they
got a critical point and the damn thing shows up
and I open it up and I'm like, when the
fuck did I buy this?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Also real quick side note online shopping. To be fair,
my first thought was Jeff Bezos's wedding since Amazon, and
I saw an interesting because I don't know why, because
I don't know her personally, but I hate his wife
and I don't know why. It's this completely irrational, just
like distaste. I think partly because she looks like Ursula
the Sea, which when she becomes a person, but if
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that woman, you know, when Ursula becomes in the Little
Mermaid and she has black hair, and she like ruins.
Ariel's wedd like she seduces the guy with Ariel's voice.
I think his wife kind of looks like her if
she had a lot of really bad plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I was gonna say, Alice in Wonderland, the cat with
that scary smile too.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
She just looks like a cartoon villain. She might be
the nicest person ever, I don't know, but she looks
like a villain, and so I'm just inclined to be like, ugh,
do you know what?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I think? The other problem is is that Mackenzie comes
across or I believe is such a wonderful I think
she's a really wonderful person and basis ex wife to
be kicked aside. I mean, and look, I get it,
like marriages end, Yeah, you know, marriage's end. I get it.
That's life.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We don't know what was happening on the inside.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's you know, you're like that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's a little like that's what you got our Princess
Diana for Camilla. It's a little like you shoved over
this nice, seemingly nice lady who seems pretty normal who
married you when you were not rich, and then you
kind of shoved her over for the woman who straight
up looks like a Disney villain.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And then their wedding is just so I don't know why.
It just looks tacky. I don't know why, but to me,
it just kind of all looks a little tacky. And
then I saw a number which almost made me angry
at the wealthy where I was like, this is how
the French revolution began, where it was a fifty million
dollar wedding, but considering his wealth, it's the equivalent of
me buying an ice cream cake and a bottle of champagne. Anyway,
(24:24):
that's my rant about that. Real quick, Oh, I don't
have time with I was going to oh they all
were there, but real quick. One more fun fact that
I think is interesting which I did not know. I
thought that Amazon and eBay. I thought eBay was like
the og place to online shop, but it came out
the same year as Amazon. The first major retailer to
actually do online shopping was Pizza Hut. The first one
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that you could like, the first major company that you
could like buy online was it was like pizza dot
net or something like that, and you could order pizzas
online and they were the first to do it. That
was in like nineteen ninety two or something like that,
or nineteen ninety or right when the Internet was getting started.
But the original original online shopping started in nineteen seventy
nine and you connected through your TV and it was
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meant for the elderly or disabled who could order like
groceries and things through their television and it would go
through a phone service and that's how if you were
It was meant for the elderly or the disabled to
have things delivered. And then in nineteen ninety eight, PayPal
was invented and that really changed the game.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
There's a documentary that has a lady in it who
was like the e commerce designer for Amazon and was
talking about the obsessive ways and the things that they've
done in that site to make it as easy as
it is to trigger those pleasure centers into make you buy.
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And she's talked about it, like I think she's been
sued by Amazon for sharing some of the stuff that
she shared, and probably because it's all a mind game.
It's fascinating. Okay, lindsay, you get to now choose a winner,
whatever that means for you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I guess I'll go with Ryan. But I did enjoy
the Pizza Hunt. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Isn't that a fun fact?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's very cool.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Pizza Hut was way ahead of their time. But Ryan,
I agree, that was a really nice presentation linear It
was smooth, much like an online shopping experience.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I was trying to make it addictive.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And what are we talking about next week? Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, what's our topic for next week?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Always for grocery shopping.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I think we've done grocery shopping.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Did we do grocery shopping?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
We did, because I talked about Wegmans. I'm so sorry
you have to pick another topic that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Happened beach house rentals.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
My brain just went straight to HGTV beach House bargain Yes. Oh,
I've spent many hours watching Beach House Bargain Hunt. Did
you know we applied to do that when we did
Asbury Park. When we made it, we got like the
first interview and then we never heard from them again.
And then our good friend Jonathan was like working on
(27:03):
Beach House Bargain Hunt, and he was like, why didn't
you call me? And I was like, hey, fuck, did
know you were working on that show? Oh that's a
fun one, though, Lindsay, I feel like i'm just gonna
end up looking at beautiful beach houses and dreaming
Oh it's working.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh my goodness. Despite technical difficulties.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is what noys Ryan and I were having. It
was a little bit of a struggle bus getting onto
our recording site today, recording site, I sound like my mother,
but our lovely guest, my dear friend, Lindsay, did not
have trouble getting on. Hi, Lindsay, thank you so much
for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hi, good morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's nice to finally meet you.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You too.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Ryan has heard a lot about Lindsay. So Lindsay is
a very dear friend who lives around the corner from
me and Brian, Brian and I me and Brian anyway,
lives around the corner and has been friends with Brian
for what like my boyfriend for over ten years.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I want to say thanks, So I lost count yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, And like when I entered the picture, bartenders were like,
wait a second, why are you cheating on your wife?
So for a minute there, Lindsay became my wife as well.
I was so excited to chat about our topic today
with the EXAR topic, as you know, is online shopping.
You have worked in the retail space for a very long.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Time half of my life, or more so now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What's your specialty?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh, right now, I'm specifically working in e commerce for
a luxury company previously, so now I'm doing more so
remote selling and customer service. Previously I was basically doing
what our friend Brian does, styling guests in store and
(01:32):
working you know, wardrobing them and working on different events.
They might have been in retail and the luxury fashion space.
Since I graduated college, I studied in Italy as well.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Do you have a preference towards the Italian designers as
a result? For sure, he is who's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So right now Dulcin Gabana is on the radar because
of you know, Jeff Bezos's wedding. You know, the Kardashians
are wearing it as well, so it's all over Instagram
right now now. Huge fan of Leopard Prince, so they're
always using that as well as you know the fact
that everyone seems to be in Italy right now, so
(02:10):
you know adult and Gabon is very much known for
their you know Malfy Coast, you know, prints and on
brand and on season with the summer.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So I'm not a super like designer wearing person, although
I have a couple of things that I like, and
I feel like, at the end of the day, they're
probably kind of boring, but I do love a good
pair of Ferragamo loafers.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You did, Oh nice, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, And I studied in Florence and their headquarters is
in Florence.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Again, to me, I'm like, I'm currently wearing old navy
and just a baseball hat that's just old, and shorts
that are recycled denim shorts that wear Brian's dad's pants
that he had turned into shorts, so they're like a
triple head made out in full on fashion. Play Listen,
you have no idea.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Actually, I will tell you. I wore my Irma's belt
home one of the like when I got it for
the first time, I was very excited about it, and
my mom saw it, and my mom was like, oh,
that's a nice ballat is that hill figure?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh see. I would probably be with your mom. I'd
be like, that's so fancy. Is that a hill figure belt?
And You're like, oh no, Although.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oddly enough that I feel like that is the thing
to say to the like, that's one of those things
like if somebody pulled up in a Ferrari and you'd go,
that is a gorgeous Corvette.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh I thought you're gonna say that's a great Mazda.
Oh well, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Mean no, don't get me wrong. And I think the
Corvette is a phenomenal car. I'm not picking on the Corvette,
but like Hill Figure is a phenomenal brand. It's just
not a Ferrari. And that's like he'll Figure is a
great brand. It's just not Hermetz.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
But you know what, it's almost a compliment because it's
quiet luxury. Isn't quiet luxury very much hi luxury? Right
now luxury, lindsay, explain exactly what quiet luxury is.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Please.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So it's no logos, a lot of neutral color, not
so much Prince more so just very neutral, you know, brown,
a lot of beige creams.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what's funny is this is actually a Boss Polo?
Oh is this is this quiet luxury? It has Boss
on it, but it's in black. You can't see it.
Is this quiet luxury?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, since it's black on black, it's more quiet? Yes,
more so quiet.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's more quiet okay.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, as opposed to loud luxury, which is when you
have a T shirt that says blendsai Yaga and it's
literally screaming at you. Okay, but online shopping. So I'm
excited because you're sort of on the other side of it. Lindsay,
you like receive all the stuff, Like when something goes
wrong and people are like, where's my armas belt? You
have to solve their problem.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yes, but I'm also a consumer, so it goes goes
both ways.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Lindsay, what's the hot thing that you really want right
now that you haven't purchased for yourself but you want
and your weight You're just like, in other words, you're
waiting maybe for that moment for it to either like
you're gonna do it at some point just as it is,
or you've decided like I'm gonna wait for that sale,
I'm gonna watch out for and grab, but I'm gonna
get that thing. It's gonna be mine.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I've wanted a Fendy baguette bag, which has become extremely
popular because of Sex and the City.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh. I just put him biget bag into Google and
it just brought up bags that look like begats.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Lindsay, this one's fifty nine to ninety nine. Would you
like a bag that looks like a bag at I'll
get one for you.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Betsy Johnson did a big gap bag that looks like
a big gap bag and it's only eight one hundred
and eighteen dollars. I see, just go for that. It
even has little seeds on it. Okay, shall we shall
(05:48):
we dive in?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Are you ready, lindsay?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I'm ready?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay. Who would you like to hear? Go first?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Ryan?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How does this always happen?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Everyone always picks Ryan, And it's wonderful because Ryan always
researches more than me. So I love it. I learned
some things and that I can sort of riff on it. Actually, no,
I read some really interesting articles before this one. I
will say I did a fun a fun little died
this morning. But yes, Ryan just instills confidence in people.
I think I don't know about that, I mean still
(06:19):
confidence in me. Ah, thank you?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Okay go It's an addiction at the end of the day,
and actually based upon one of the things you shared, Linday,
I now have like a question related to addiction, maybe
closer to the end, not for you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Now that I'm looking at you, you seem like a
person who knows are you addicted? And this is welcome
to sneaky aa.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's actually a confrontation.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
We actually brought you here.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Is there anything you'd like to say now? So it's
kind of funny like adding things to your cart creates
a dopamine hit in your brain, and it essentially is
like mimicing. Well, outside of the adding cart, the overall
experience kind of mimics gambling. Oh, it hits your variable
reward loop, which create you know, basically causes you to
(07:10):
constantly come back for more, right, And that comeback for
more concept is the idea of like what will I find?
So like for example, Azum, like you already know this,
I'm telling this to you. Is if like you know,
you buy you buy the bagette bag in the green,
and then but you know that there's other colors that
(07:33):
would go better with what you're going to wear next
Friday night, and then suddenly you're like, I really want
the pink, and then like the pink will it go
on sale? It goes on sale? Now, like you'd be
silly not to buy it, I know. So it's that
whole variable kind of reward mimicking gambling thing where you
(07:54):
hit a sale or the color you want it appears
and suddenly you've won, and then on top of it
all the idea that you have endless choices, going back
to that idea that there's so many variations in the
things that you might like that it overloads your prefrontal
cortex and our brains love rewards. So as your prefrontal
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cortex becomes overloaded with all of the endless choices, options
and things that you could do in ways that you
could work to win, your impost control just goes poof
and then suddenly it's all in your shopping cart and
you go click by. It also happens to trigger the
nucleus accumbans, which is your pleasure center. So this is
(08:43):
related to retail therapy. So retail therapy is a thing
where essentially all of these, all these all the dopamine
hits that you encounter in here trigger your pleasure center
and it numbs negative emotions and thus you do actually
start to feel better when you start.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh, it hits your mental g spot and you feel better.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You're like, oh at more. Actually, on a random topic,
I was listening to a podcast the other day that says,
I mean, this is completely unrelated that the that there's
now stuff that says that the g spot itself is
actually not necessarily a real thing. What yeah, that it's
actually more likely just in like a place that allows
(09:31):
you to kind of access the glitteris a little bit differently,
so it's not really a different spot per se. But anyway,
fun fact something for everyone to go research. Back on topic,
Ryan Adhd and that I love that you just brought
(09:52):
it back yourself. You're like, no, Ryan, let's get back
to where any longer. No more of a China talk.
That's a different show. Oh there's nothing like a man
talking about a vagina.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So the thing that I tripped over that I thought
was kind of interesting and one of the most psychologically
manipulative items in online shopping is the psychological psychological effective
free shipping and why it's a trap. Oh yeah, so
there is something called the zero price effect, right, and
(10:34):
our brain, for some odd reason, I don't think it's
for some odd reason, our brains overreact to the word free.
We hear free and we're like, what mm hmm, I
could have this for free. So it activates the reward center,
just kind of like the same way if you see
a discount on something, so suddenly you feel like you
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don't have to pay for some sort of overhead that
you may have had to pay for before, and you're like, yeah,
so it's like free. People will spend more to avoid
a five dollars shipping fee than they would have just
to get five dollars off the product. Free feels like
you're getting away with something. The cart padding is another one,
so the minimum to get free shipping, and this will
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trigger people to be like, well, I wasn't gonna pick
up that extra pink bag, but if I get that
pink bag, I don't have to pay the thirty five
dollars shipping, So it's like getting thirty five dollars off
that bag, So you know what, I might as well
get both. It's a loss of version and a justification.
So your brain hates wasting money on shipping, so it'd
(11:36):
rather spend more money to feel like it saved something.
Fascinating because I am the biggest sucker for that. Especially
when ordering food. Have you ever disappointed yourself by then
going and looking at if you just called the restaurant
directly for it, what the delta is on the price
on the app versus what they just sell it for
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at the No.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But I have felt bad when I'm like I could
have walked a block down the road and just gotten it.
They're getting you trust me, Oh so gotcha gal.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The other is cognitive distant dissonance evasion. So paying for
shipping feels stupid, like you're losing money on something to intangible,
so your brain rewrites the script. Oh, I'll totally use
that extra candle sock bottle opener someday, which I will
tell you right now that is maybe one of my
biggest that like I'll be like, oh, like, I'll just
(12:29):
go ahead and get that extra one, and then it's
kind of like time will pass and I'll be like, oh,
it still has the tags on it. I never opened it. No,
I didn't ever use it. So again it's like you
feel like you're being duped by shipping fees, so you
make mental gymnastics to justify it.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
There's restocking fees too now for returning.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You might as well just keep it. Yeah, keep it.
I will share something that kind of happened this weekend
in that in that vein, and I'm probably gonna end
up keeping this for some odd reason. But I but
I'll explain in a second. I think my mind is
just crossing some wires and I came up with something
I want to share. So I'm going to anchoring. By
anchoring biases, the original shipping fee becomes the anchor, so
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when it gets removed, it feels like a bonus, even
if the price of the product was quietly bumped up
to cover it. Sneaky, sneaky, right, So this is this
is the same thing I was just sharing and kind
of buying food online, which is the price is bumped
up to ultimately cover it, maybe even make you pay more,
but you've you've anchored to it as your decision point
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for moving forward and then endownment effects. So once something
is in your cart, your brain starts to treat it
as if it's already yours. So it's mine, I already like,
already like it kind of I've already bought it. And
I mean, like if I think about how many things
sit in my cart in Amazon that I don't buy,
(14:01):
but I'm like, yeah, it's there, and I'll like get
it tomorrow. So like me, I'll just go ahead and
do that. The little story that I had so so random.
We we went to this, We went to this lumber
yard up here, to pick up this stuff called hardy plank,
and hardy plank is like a sighting that you put
on the side of your house. And we don't have
(14:24):
like a big truck. We have like a suv that
we used to haul this crap around and hardy plank
didn't fit well in it. And the guy is like,
you should just buy it two by twelve to give
it support and bring it back right, And I was like, yeah,
(14:44):
that's a great idea. That's exactly what I'm going to do.
So I ran back in and I buy this thirty
five dollars board that we used to support it. And
at the end of the day I had to buy it.
There was no way I was going to get it,
get the hardy plank back to the house without breaking
without buying this stupid board. And like, we get the
hardy plank out and the two by twelve is hanging
(15:06):
out of the car and James is like, what are
you going to do with this? And he's like, you're
going to take it back? And I'm like I'm like,
I don't. I mean, I'm going to have to pay
that toll to take it all the way back, and
then I'm going to have to spend all that gas
to drive it out there, and like by the time
(15:28):
I finally get back out there, I may not be
able to. I think, I'm just we're just going to
keep it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You got upsold, so you're sold marchand that is additionally
that you didn't really need for you know, per se,
but now it's an inconvenience to return it, so you're
probably going to keep it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And then I also did that thing and I was like,
I'll use it somewhere. I have a point here. And meanwhile,
it's going to be four years out and here's going
to be that two by twelve, which is two by
twelve by twelve. It's an absolutely massive piece of wood
that's like just floating around the house. Is if it
has a home. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Anyway, there was your ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
They're perfect. So given the fact that you're around, like
customer service are their experiences people talk about where like
people call in and they're like this person is fucking addicted,
Like this person has a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yes, oh, where people have been like cut this client off.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, if they keep the merchandise, we're not going to
cut them off because we're there to you know, sell merchandise,
but we have people that are chronic, you know, buyers
and returners. I don't know what they do with the product,
but a lot of retailers will send you a letter,
you know, stating that we're not going to continue to
(16:48):
do business with you because you have like one hundred
return raid or because it costs you know, the company
resources and shipping fee.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Re stocking and the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, okay, you ready my turn then sure?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, okay, go so dam This is one time where
I kind of looked at the same things as you did.
I did read about the psychology behind it. The couple
of things I'll add to what Ryan said though, which
I thought was interesting, which we sort of touched on here.
A big part of online shopping, which I read went
up forty three percent after COVID. Oh my god, that's
(17:38):
what COVID did for shopping, which I think is an
insane number, like it had been steadily going up but
by like really small increments. And then literally the online
shopping industry saw forty three percent profit jump after COVID.
That has not gone down like it has stayed there
because before that I read that people didn't line shop
(18:00):
for like basic things like toilet paper, wind decks. You
know your your well you did, but you just have
You're just too important and your time is too valuable
you to do. I'm like, you live in a walk up,
you're you have an excuse.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, and I don't have a car, so it's convenient.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You know, but I think your your average American. I
think this was also a worldwide number two. So it
was like the US, the UK, like a lot of places,
and that was the main thing they were like most
people saved online shopping for like specialty stuff that you
couldn't normally get, like a rare record that you could
only find on eBay or stuff like that, or like
(18:38):
a special thing that they didn't have in the store
that day so you had to buy it online.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I do love the e base.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Oh So the other psychological thing that we kind of
touched on. A big reason people found that they loved
it is especially if shopping brings you joy, if you're
one of those people where it's therapeutic. People discovered that
shopping online takes away a lot of the friction of shopping,
which is human interaction, because with human interaction becomes any
kind of emotional anything, And especially if you're somebody who's
(19:05):
any level of insecurity, or you know, you're just doing
retail therapy, you feel judged, even if you aren't being judged.
You're that person who's just like, oh, well, I'm just
buying that, Like you're that person who feels the need
to justify it to the cat. The person who's like
checking you out at the store, who honestly, as I'm
sure Lindsay can attest, doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm only buying this cucumber, this cucumber and hand cream
because I have dry hands and I love cucumbers. I
don't look at me that way.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, And meanwhile the cashier is just like, ma'am, I'm
making twenty dollars an hour. I truly don't care, like
you know, but it takes away any kind of judgment
that you might have, as well as second thought, because
you have to like drive to the store or walk
to the store, you have to go in, you have
to like put clothes on to go out in public,
like it's work maybe where well that's no shoes, no problem.
(19:57):
There's there's too many obstacles, whereas online just makes it
so easy to make poor decisions, So like when you
go to a store, you have to really so all
that friction is gone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Can I you share? I feel like Costco has solved
this for the in store experience, and I don't know
why or how, because I will go stand on that
fucking line. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And Costco lines are seven miles long, like you might've
been on a marathon.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I will tell you though, they do move oddly fast,
art full.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And also I feel like Costco is like the physical
version of Amazon where you go into buy toothpaste and
you come out with a she shed and a sectional couture. Yeah,
and croissants and you're just like, but enough croissants for
good about it for the entirety of the first grade.
So so yeah, so that was part of it. No,
no worries. And then as you as you said, the
other psychological thing is to the anticipation, how it's like Christmas.
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That's also half the fun is the waiting for it
to arrive, and then when it does arrive, you'll get
to open the box and it's so exciting, which is
why I think unboxing videos are so popular. People love
the like the unboxing experience that you don't get when
you shop and just take it home and it's just
in a back like it's such sort of a mental
it's so anti climactic. The exciting thing was the paying
(21:09):
for it. Now the exciting things is the arrival. So
that psycho psychological part of it too, which I think
people become hooked on is the receiving, which Lindsay, like
you said, is probably why so many people buy things
because they want to just get it and they're so
excited and then they're like, oh, but now I don't
need it, so I'm just going to send it back
because the happiness is over. My mental g spot has
been tickled and now it's done, which, as we all
(21:32):
know now is just purely mental. But yeah, I think
that's interesting and I see why it's such a slippery slope.
And also there's the thing where a lot of people
will like buy a lot of stuff online after drinking
or being home you know late or after a stressful day,
and then you forget you bought it, and then it arrives,
and then that feeling is like doubly fun because it's like,
what did I get? I don't even remember buying anything on.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Our bar in Asbury Park. Oh, I'm sure you saw it.
There is a penis decanter. Yeah, yes, okay, I no
fucking clue when I bought that. Like, I don't remember
when I made the purchase.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Where did you find a thing? Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know. It was probably advertised on fucking Instagram
and I was like, oh, that'd be fun, you know,
and like it's the dumbest thing ever. I totally forgot
about it. Months went by, like it was probably one
of those things that they didn't make it till they
got a critical point and the damn thing shows up
and I open it up and I'm like, when the
fuck did I buy this?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Also real quick side note online shopping. To be fair,
my first thought was Jeff Bezos's wedding since Amazon, and
I saw an interesting because I don't know why, because
I don't know her personally, but I hate his wife
and I don't know why. It's this completely irrational, just
like distaste. I think partly because she looks like Ursula
the Sea, which when she becomes a person, but if
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that woman, you know, when Ursula becomes in the Little
Mermaid and she has black hair, and she like ruins.
Ariel's wedd like she seduces the guy with Ariel's voice.
I think his wife kind of looks like her if
she had a lot of really bad plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I was gonna say, Alice in Wonderland, the cat with
that scary smile too.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
She just looks like a cartoon villain. She might be
the nicest person ever, I don't know, but she looks
like a villain, and so I'm just inclined to be like, ugh,
do you know what?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I think? The other problem is is that Mackenzie comes
across or I believe is such a wonderful I think
she's a really wonderful person and basis ex wife to
be kicked aside. I mean, and look, I get it,
like marriages end, Yeah, you know, marriage's end. I get it.
That's life.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We don't know what was happening on the inside.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's you know, you're like that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's a little like that's what you got our Princess
Diana for Camilla. It's a little like you shoved over
this nice, seemingly nice lady who seems pretty normal who
married you when you were not rich, and then you
kind of shoved her over for the woman who straight
up looks like a Disney villain.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And then their wedding is just so I don't know why.
It just looks tacky. I don't know why, but to me,
it just kind of all looks a little tacky. And
then I saw a number which almost made me angry
at the wealthy where I was like, this is how
the French revolution began, where it was a fifty million
dollar wedding, but considering his wealth, it's the equivalent of
me buying an ice cream cake and a bottle of champagne. Anyway,
(24:24):
that's my rant about that. Real quick, Oh, I don't
have time with I was going to oh they all
were there, but real quick. One more fun fact that
I think is interesting which I did not know. I
thought that Amazon and eBay. I thought eBay was like
the og place to online shop, but it came out
the same year as Amazon. The first major retailer to
actually do online shopping was Pizza Hut. The first one
(24:44):
that you could like, the first major company that you
could like buy online was it was like pizza dot
net or something like that, and you could order pizzas
online and they were the first to do it. That
was in like nineteen ninety two or something like that,
or nineteen ninety or right when the Internet was getting started.
But the original original online shopping started in nineteen seventy
nine and you connected through your TV and it was
(25:07):
meant for the elderly or disabled who could order like
groceries and things through their television and it would go
through a phone service and that's how if you were
It was meant for the elderly or the disabled to
have things delivered. And then in nineteen ninety eight, PayPal
was invented and that really changed the game.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
There's a documentary that has a lady in it who
was like the e commerce designer for Amazon and was
talking about the obsessive ways and the things that they've
done in that site to make it as easy as
it is to trigger those pleasure centers into make you buy.
(25:46):
And she's talked about it, like I think she's been
sued by Amazon for sharing some of the stuff that
she shared, and probably because it's all a mind game.
It's fascinating. Okay, lindsay, you get to now choose a winner,
whatever that means for you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I guess I'll go with Ryan. But I did enjoy
the Pizza Hunt. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Isn't that a fun fact?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's very cool.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Pizza Hut was way ahead of their time. But Ryan,
I agree, that was a really nice presentation linear It
was smooth, much like an online shopping experience.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I was trying to make it addictive.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And what are we talking about next week? Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, what's our topic for next week?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Always for grocery shopping.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I think we've done grocery shopping.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Did we do grocery shopping?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
We did, because I talked about Wegmans. I'm so sorry
you have to pick another topic that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Happened beach house rentals.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
My brain just went straight to HGTV beach House bargain Yes. Oh,
I've spent many hours watching Beach House Bargain Hunt. Did
you know we applied to do that when we did
Asbury Park. When we made it, we got like the
first interview and then we never heard from them again.
And then our good friend Jonathan was like working on
(27:03):
Beach House Bargain Hunt, and he was like, why didn't
you call me? And I was like, hey, fuck, did
know you were working on that show? Oh that's a
fun one, though, Lindsay, I feel like i'm just gonna
end up looking at beautiful beach houses and dreaming
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