March 3, 2025 • 35 mins
This week on Whyte Noise: Michael and Ryan explore the term marshmallow with special guest Jay Michel, who also steps in as guest judge!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello, welcome back. Who Welcome back to White Noise. I'm Michael.
We have Ryan, our good friend Jay is joining us
to be our guest jet welcome Jay.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
We're just catching up because Jay and I have I
haven't seen you in years, but I see you on
my Instagram all the time as you give great advice
and you know it's for people who have not seen it.
Jay is not on Instagram. Is the whole handle correct?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's also Jay is not on TikTok j. I'm not
on blue Sky, but if I was, it's a yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Oh yeah, you didn't. You didn't join that crush of
people running over to blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, I was never really a Twitter person, so I
didn't really have this like massive need to stop doing
something I wasn't using.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's actually same. I didn't reallyse Twitter, but I did
join blue Sky just to like join the movement, and
then I proceeded to like never really open it again.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I actually thingured may have an account, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
If I have an account. As soon as whatever recording,
I'll go post something.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So I use I used blue Sky for nefarious reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's what I that was what. Yeah, years ago I
used Twitter for and then I just stopped using twitters.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, what do you use now?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
What is everyone like if you're not using Blue Sky?
Is it just Google? The interwebs, the Googles.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm like, I'm an old man. I'm just like being
like big boobs.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Dot cop do your imagination.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So what we were talking about before we hit record
was how like Jay actually like reads books.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I would like to say, I feel like this is
going to make me seem a lot more intelligent than
I am, and then I'll let everyone else down in
the next hour.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So I think you're incredibly intelligent. I remember when I
first met you. You you exude competence and intelligence. It
also might be the glasses.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Get so you make it. That's my motto.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, and I was just telling Jay, I'm pretty I'm
sure I saw him on Hot Dudes on Subway, Hot
Dudes on the Subway reading books.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I think that that was an account for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, that was when what was it tumbler was really big?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right, I was gonna say it was a tumbler, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I used to love Tumblr. I used to I used
Tumblr for me too.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
On a different note, Ryan, it's your birthday. Yes, it
is my birthday. Thank you, Happy birthday. What are you
doing other than recording this fabulous podcast?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So I was in Puerto Rico for the previous week
and then promptly got back and had to go to
Toronto for work.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Woo who.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
But I kind of figured I kind of figured, like,
you know, I celebrated pretty good over the previous week,
so this we're hanging out.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Meanwhile, I was literally just looking at the screen like anyone.
You know, when you're on a video call, you just
look at yourself. And I was literally just looking at
myself next to YouTube, and I was like, I look
so haggard, and I actually think you two look great.
I was just like, oh my god, I need to
moisturize more. I'm pretty sure it's a filter. I have
a filter on right now. So, oh, so you're cheating.
(02:58):
Actually I have started, do you guys do?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I just started this. I started a whole cream regiment.
What's your cream regiment?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I have a morning cream and night cream, and I
have a like a like something for the bags under
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And somebody cleaning up your kitchen in the background.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Oh, that would be James. James is eternally cleaning. That's
my Jay, that's my husband.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
He's he is eternally cleaning. He's getting ready for guests.
When you say cream, that just makes me think of
a girl that I went to school with who is
from Germany. And I remember one time we were at
lunch and she was just had vegetables and she was
just dipping them in this white substance. And I was like,
her name is Anna. I was like, what are you eating?
(03:40):
And she's like, Oh, it's this wonderful cream sauce. I
don't know if you have this in America. It's very
nice for dipping vegetables or crackers. It's called mayonnaise. And
I was just like and she was like, it's this
wonderful cream sauce. You're just it's good for everything. And
I was like, yes, we have mayonnaise, we don't dip
carrots in it. And she's like, oh, well you're missing out.
(04:01):
It's really nice. Ever since then, when I see mayo,
I just think of cream sauce.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, it was fine. It's a very white person thing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I was the most like white person Mayo I got
is I was mixed mayonnaise and catch up two things
that I don't really like separately together and then I
will did French fries in them. And technically I think
it's called Navy sauce, but that could just be because
I was in the Navy when I learned about it.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That's right, you were in the navy. Oh, what did
you do in the Navy.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well, I went to the Naval Academy and I was
in the military for a number of years.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
So nice, I've been to Annapolis, I have not.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's exactly the same visiting and graduating, same same experience.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Did you did you climb the obelisk at the end
of your plea beer?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yes, I mean yes, and no I did.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I participated in the experience, but I was a rower
and our coach was very clear, So so I would
say from if people don't know that you climb this
thing called Herndon at the end of the year. Lots
of people like it for a number of reasons, but
it's the photos make it look like it's a bunch
of shirtless, very ripped dude climbing on top of each
other and they're getting scrayed with hoses. Those hoses are
(05:16):
like fire hoses. It's actually like pretty like it piles
up with the body to the hekats way, so people
will fall and break legs and arms and all sorts
of stuff. So so our coach was very much like,
you can participate by being physically there as a bleep,
but you will not be climbing in any regard.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So, yeah, is it a The objective is either to
put something on the top or take something off the top.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right when you are when you go to the Naval Academy,
you do this thing called your pleap summer. So you
end up going to the academy early and it's basically
a number of weeks before the rest of the student
body shows up, where everyone who's a freshman or a
cleave is yelled at and screamed at, and it's sort
of like a boot camp that they kind of break
(06:03):
you down to then build you back up. Is the
whole idea. Over your next year, you have the most restriction.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
They're in cleeve.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You wear when you first get there what's called Dixie cups,
so they're like these little hats. They're not like you know,
and so at the end of the year, when you're
you're moving, then you have graduation, graduation weeks a huge
seal at the Naval Academy. One of the events is
all the plea climb to the top of this this
giant statue monument that's been greased up with lard and
(06:33):
you replace the Dixie cap that's been put on the
top with like an actual midshipman cover what they call
a hat. And then that's technically like the end of
your plea year. And so then you can't get yelled
at anymore by upper clock. I mean you can't, but
you know what I'm saying, Yeah, you can't. Like you're
not like the lowest of the low anymore. You're considered
(06:54):
like there's all these rules the when you're a pleave
that you can't do, like certain things you can't walk
on and you know, and so you don't none of
the as apply anymore. And so it's a big sort
of I would say symbol.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Passage, right, yea symbol that's.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Not word, but it's a bit. It's a big sort
of like uh tradition.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I remember being a you know, fairly young and seeing
like pictures and video of it and not understanding why
I was so intrigued by it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So when I was.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
At the Academy, I would say a couple of years
after that, I was down at Rehoboth Beach. I'd made
a bunch of like secret I was under don't as
all time.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'd made a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Like secret DC gay friends and was basically a terror
before there was demon twinks. I was, you know, a
very skinny closetmanshipman RORI terrorizing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
The Baltimore area.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I was down to Robaho with Beach at some
house and some older gay men where like the photos
had come out or we're looking at the photos, and
I remember going on this like self righteous monologue rampage,
you know, you know, sort of designing women's style of like,
this is not a sexualized experience. This is a real
like very like very like I didn't I can't even
(08:12):
see what you're seeing. And then like decades later, like
the poppy of my screen to me being like, oh yeah,
I got it. I was like I was there.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, you know, like, oh my god, that's hilarious. All right,
well should we should we jump into the No? Sure?
Oh and also have to say thank you for your
service Jay, Oh yeah, that's appropriate. As two fellow homosexuals.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I yeah, I mean, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I sure, yeah, I know, I know, it's like, you
know what, I think for some people, it's like a
little weird or whatever, but it's true. Man, like you
went through you went through some serious shit getting to
that point. You also serve the country.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So yeah, well I appreciate you saying that. I guess,
I guess I take it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I I don't regret being in the military, but I'm
not like raw raw ray.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know, Oh, I understand. I can understand that.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
So, but the people a lot of times who I
was just recently on a family trip in upstate New York,
and it was a lot of like people from Philly
and that sort of thing, and I forgot sort of
how those people are, and I made a comment to
some random stranger where I was like, oh, and then
when I say the military, and then all of a
sudden it became like, oh my gosh, thank you. You know
what I mean, It's just like I've been out for
(09:29):
so long and now I'm like a giant homosexual in
New York, Like I don't need Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I can say you the two shouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I just think it's unfortunate where we are because the
two things don't necessarily have to be separated. It's just
that we're so fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, they should at all.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But I also also think we the people who serve
in the military are doing something really great and they're stuck.
They're putting their lives on the line, so that should
be honored. But I also think we have like glorified
and I like idolized sort of the military service in
this country. And not to get political, but things are
going bad.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
No, I yep, agreed.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I think it's not something I talk about a lot
on like a form.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So I think I was both processing what I wanted
to say as it was happening, and then I was like,
this is not going the way I wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
To get Little did you know this was going to
be a real gotcha podcast appear?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right, Okay, So our topic today is Marshmallows. So we
each have ten minutes to riff on what that makes
us think or feel of and if we did research,
well done us. If we didn't, we're going to see
what happens and and Jake feel free to you know,
(10:46):
like chime in. It can be. It's free flowing. And
then at the end. Yeah, you'll tell us who wins
whatever that means for you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So I think, having listened to a few of your episodes,
that I'm going to Ryan go first because it's his birthday.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I also think that might help you, Michael.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It usually does.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I like how you've listened enough to know that jam you're.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Just like Michael's a mess, so he kind of needs
Ryan to send him up.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
All right, start, all right, So marsh mallows. So I
did my typical thing. Actually, it was kind of a
fun topic to research because there's a lot on marshmallows.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
First place I'll start is that the ancient Egyptians are
behind it. And a mallow is a plant, and the
mallow is found in marshes. So back in the day
the rootsap was extracted, it was mixed with like honey
and nuts. It was considered to be a food of
the pharaohs and the gods. So I guess when you're
having marshmallows, now you are Egyptian royalty.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How the mighty fall every time?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I know?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Now it's jet puff. So they have other like.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Medicinal purposes that it discovered, so for like sore throats,
apparently really good for like digestive health and will soothe wound.
So apparently the sap like will line like line your
stomach and line your digestive track, and it'll kind of
protect it and soothe it, which I think is kind
of cool. But of course leave it to the French
to make it fancy and turn it into a candy.
(12:24):
I didn't write the full name down, but basically they
whipped it with egg whites and sugar and it has patai.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And my question was about to be, is it even
remotely is anything from the original his like medical benefits
has admitted to what a modern day marshmallow.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Is or oh, oh, we're getting there, And the answer
is no shocker, But you know it was. It was
a mellow patie for the French. It ended up, and
of course the Americans are the ones that you know
made it trash. But so in nineteen seventy is when
(13:03):
it came to nineteen seventy, nineteen seventeen is when it
came to the United States campfire marshmallows. And apparently it
was in the late eighteen hundreds that we switched from
the route to a gelatine which was heavily industrialized, but Jay,
I appreciate that you brought up s'mores. So it's so
(13:26):
funny that I'm going to tell this part and my
sister's calling at the same time. She's gonna like this joke.
So s'mores stand for some moores, because you want some
more when you make them. It was published in a
Girl Scout handbook in nineteen twenty seven, and the name
of the.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Girl Scout camp book. Our camping book was Tramping and
Trailing with the Girl Scouts.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I am now I'll be blond. I knew the Girl
Scout fact because I know random. I know random thanks
for some reason. But I now am. I will say
that I am determined to find a copy of that
and buy it.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I'm just gonna say every time I make snores, I'm
going to be let let's go tramping guys.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I also, I think smores a change a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I just was up with my nieces and we went
and made smores, and the experience I just was like
you put the marshmallow on the stick, you put in
the fire. It was very They seemed very confused by
the whole process, including like, because I think nowadays less
and less when people make spores they like just sort
of put the Graham cracker chocolate marshmallo and just throw
it in a microwave for kids, Like there's not this
(14:34):
sort of like build the fire, roast the marshmallow, like
the marshmallow's on fire. Sometimes you're just eating charred marshmallow,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think that's the best part.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I'm a big fan of well so seton they actually
make sticks for s'mores now, where like you can roast
the marshmallow and crush the thing together and it'll hold it.
You can put the whole thing in the It's like
a whole thing. But I'm a big fan of like
got to get that marshmallow in and like slowly rotated,
get that perfectly brown crust on the outside, and then
I like to pull that crust off, eat it and
(15:04):
then do it again.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Anyone else, Oh yeah, I've done that.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
It might just be that I'm weirdly anal so 'or
like strange.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So I feel like I ninety percent of the time
start with the browning and then just want like it
ends up bloody on fire and I'm just like holding
essentially like a torch.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I blow it out that heat. You're not supposed to.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But it's funny because I do feel like the consistent marshmallow.
Maybe even though it's not healthy for me, it's still
holding on to that coating of my inside, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, see there you go.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
By the way, it's worth noting there are tons of
if you want to know how to make like an
original marshmallow, there's tons of YouTube content which I found
out this morning about like where to go find the
marshmallow plants and then like the roots and cleaning them
and scanning them and then boiling them down and then
making your own kind of homemade luff or marshmallow as well.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So what does I mean I'm not I'm sure you
don't know, but what would an original marshmallow taste like?
Because now it's just essentially you know, corn syrup, sugar,
you know what I mean. Like, I'm just like, what
is it?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Bitter? Is it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well, so keep in mind when I was talking about
the Egyptians like it there for them, it was just
more like they were extracting the sap out of the
root and makes it hm stuff. So it wasn't a marshmallow,
and it wasn't until the French really got into it.
So the original marshmallow and apparently it took a very
long time to make marshmallow pates and that's the official
(16:39):
French way of saying it. It took a long time
to make it. And that's what the original marshmallow was
in terms of like what we know today. So they
were just using the sap as the gelatine to be
able to get to that kind of fluff state.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So would the Egyptians fluff it, do you think? Or
was it more like a syrup? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It was like a syrup, yeah, and it would like
so it was mixed with like honey and nuts. So
it sounds like maybe the honey was the thing that
was like holding it together, like yeah, and like sweetening
it up at the same time.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Where can does it? Where does it grow? I know
in marshes? Does it grow in America? Like can you
go find it? Like is it in New Jersey? I
don't know if it's in New Jersey?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But it kind of looks like a Michael's Like is
it in my backyard?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Like could it be there's a marsh not too far
the Jersey mallow? Yeah? Why does that sound like some
sort of mystical creature that's gonna like Murder.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The Jersey Devil and Mallow.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, they get together and they have sticky wood battles.
I would love a sticky wood battle.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And Ryan, whether because it or not, you should tell
Michael it does, because I really would love after this
to just see him wandering around the field try to
make trying to make his own mellow.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Actually, it grows, It grows heavily in Syracuse, does it really?
I'm from Syracuse. That was really rude. I just got
so excited, Chris. It was I was about to go
visit my parents for a podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It was sad that people would obviously how quickly you
got excited and then how disappointed your face was.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That was just a real roller coaster. You're welcome. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I'm trying to see it like other fun facts that
I have. I was going to talk a little bit
like so for me, like marshmallows remind me of peeps,
and my mom would always put together at Easter. You
know what Easter is about, which is getting candy, and
I would always get like a big thing of peeps
and my mom was very excited, so like you know,
(18:41):
she opens up the package and she bites the ears
off of the peep, and me, being the sensitive child
that I was, was.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Like, what did you do to it? Put it back?
And my mom was like, you can't I ate it.
It's gone, and.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I was like no, and I sobbed and I cried.
So my mom had to go out and get another
thing of peeps for me, but I didn't care because
she had already killed one.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Of them, and so like, they're oh, the bunny peeps.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
The bunny peeps. Sorry I had.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
The bunny peeps were the ones that I always got.
I didn't get the little chicken, little chicken.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I only think of peeps as the little peeps are
very controversial and polarizing. I didn't I love. Oh yeah,
I love peeps honestly, and it's I Also I don't
like sweet candy, which is weird. But peeps and candy
corn are two things that I enjoyed that people hate,
(19:39):
and people hate them.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And peeps are like candy corn too.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You open peeps and leave them out for like a day,
they get like hardened, and so they like it's I love.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But if you bring up peeps people, really it is not.
People have very strong opinions. About how much.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People violently hate them.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Do you know what it is?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I think I think that like colored sugar taste, it
can be a little bitter tasting. You've ever noticed that, Like,
it's not always the most flavorful that like weird purple
or yellow sugar they put on the outside. No, okay,
it's maybe just me?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Is it? Like just the chemicals that are in it,
Like it tastes a little like soup. It's probably all
the chemicals that it's just chlorine.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
You're gonna put a marshmallow in your mouth. I don't
think the colored powdered sugar around it is the problem
every nothing there's even though this comes from a natural thing,
nothing in that thing is natural. There's an entirely chemical
based like like if you're gonna be like, but I
draw the line on the colored sugar put around, it's like,
(20:44):
all right, the strong strong take there?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, am I a time? You have three seconds? Oh
I'm at time?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It's strong. Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Was gonna say the only other thing I was going
to talk about is Krispy Treats, which also involves my
favorite tramps, the Girls Out, But I'll leave that for
some other time. Also now I really want somebody to
invent time travel and go back to Egypt and be like, look,
we brought you marshmallows, and they're just like, what is this?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You think that if someone went back in time and
brought marshmallows, the question would be what is this?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Not what is it?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I guess after after they got over all of it. Yeah, yeah,
are you ready, Michael? I'm I'm ready, okay, and go
oh key doky. So when I think marshmallows, I also
want this moores route because I think that's that's I
(21:40):
think for a lot of us, that's the first thing
you think of as s'mores. But I never thought about
putting in the microwave that which kind of lost my mind. Really,
the microwave, it's so much fun. Really, Yes, they could
blow up and they get oh that's right. Yeah, I
don't know. That never occurred to me. I just I
purely think fires and camping. To be fair, I haven't
(22:00):
had a moore in a really long time. As a kid,
I wasn't a smre fan because they were so messy
and sticky. To me, it just like wasn't worth it.
So I was that kid that would just like eat
the chocolate.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I understand that, though I think I still have a
little bit of that. I think part of the smores
is you can't ever really get it right. Either the
chocolate's too melted or too hard or too gooey. I
don't like yeah, So I understand I was I I
did it, but I think I never was, like loved
s'mores when I was like a kid.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Same, but I weirdly love them now as an adult.
And maybe it's just because of the nostalgia of it.
Like now, if I'm somewhere and there's a campfire and
somebody's like snores, I'm like, yes, and I get very excited.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I actually don't like them. I never really Yeah, I've
never liked the gram cracker chocolate piece of it. Like
I feel like it's an awkward thing.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
See for me, I'm not a big marshmallow fan in
general though, Like I didn't like fluff as a kid
like all the other kids. Remember when peanut butter and
fluff was a sandwich that every mom was making for
their kids. I always thought it was gross, But then
I also a peanut butter with cheese, So I am
no one to judge anyone's sandwich taste.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Were you sitting next to the girl with mayonnaise with
your peanut butters?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Probably the.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
People in the Friends, because like basically everyone was like,
stay away from the weird.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They're like they're clearly going to murder someone.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So I'm a bigger fan of like a pre set cookie,
like a girls.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think there's like, you know, where you like bite it,
like where.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
There is a marshmallow one.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, verse making it myself. However, I made some'mores last weekend.
Ironically enough my nieces and they have because capitalism is
you know, does can't can't help but make a buck
on everything. They now make marshmallows where the chocolate is
inside the marshmallow, so you like, you like stick the
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stick in and then you like roast the marshmallow and
then you just put it on the gram cracker and
the chocolate's already inside the marshmallow.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But I'd argue that's brilliant chocolate.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Never I actually really enjoyed them because it was like
biting into it and then it was like hard, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, I was like eating a chocolate but it
does not melt.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So the chocolate was always like hard because by the
marshmallow is either on fire to get it hot enough
to melt the chocolate, or it's wrote toasted and the
chocolates is a hard bar of chocolate in the middle
of it. So I feel like it takes away from
the experience of making them, but as an adult, I
enjoyed them much more than actually making this.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
More that makes sense, I would probably be that person too, sorry,
So yeah, but it made me think of obviously camping
and things like that, like I and I was wondering
if there were other small recipes, and Koa Campgrounds actually
did put out their top twelve mouth watering smart recipes
(24:42):
you need to try, and I went to this thinking
this is going to be super fun and revolutionary because
if anyone should knows more, so it should be Koa Campgrounds,
which I spent a lot of time with those campgrounds
when I was a kid. We stayed in a bunch of them,
and then it turned out they all were just s'mores
with different kinds of cookies instead of gram crackers, So
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it was kind of a letdown, but it did make
me because some I was like, oh, that's intriguing, like
using Oreo wafers instead of gram crackers, or like peanut
butter cookies, or one was just like the mouth watering
caramel one and it was like just putting caramel sauce
like on yours more. I was like, koa, this was
the least creative. It actually did make me laugh, but
(25:25):
I was like, I do kind of want to try
with oreos that actually sounds pretty good, or peanut butter cookies,
like they were like just make peanut butter cookies and
then put a piece of chocolate and marshmallow in between.
So if you were to do it, like what would
be your like gut, like what cookie would you want
to use instead of a gram cracker.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm not I know this is crazy because we've been
talking about marshmallow. So it sounds like I'm probably a
sweet skuy. I am not a sweet.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Skuy, so yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Don't really Yeah, like if there's cake or cookies, I
even work at a bakery in LA and never really
so I would probably just go with like a basic
good chocolate chip cookie because I don't I don't, like
I don't really eat.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Cookies or crave cookies.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
There's not like a cookie for me that's like, oh,
this is if they're around. I can't stop eating them
now if there's ability to throw.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
In it, you know, between like a piece of pizza
and some rams stressing.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I am actually with you on that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm in, but like, I don't know, yeah, I'm not.
I don't think for me.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I think it's funny when you said you have nostalgia
or not nostalgia, when you said, oh, I like making
sportes now because I think this weekend. I was excited
about it because of the nostalgia of it and like
doing it with my nieces, but pretty quickly was also like, oh,
I remember why I hate sports are kind of gross
and stupid.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was always too much gram cracker or not.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I was gonna say, this is why I hate them.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I think the idea of it is stronger for me
than the actual product. Like I ended up just eating
the marshmallow with the chocolate off the stick because a
I was holding a toddler and be I was like,
that's really all I want to eat, And then I
ate fine, and they were like should we make more?
And I was like, I'm good, We're good.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I mean, but it's fascinating that's become such a cultural
like cornerstone in America, Like when you think camping, you
think like s'mores and campfires, and it's just like it
must have been some marketing play that I didn't research,
but brilliant on whoever came up with it. But I
was going to say the thing that also made me
think of since More's Kawa, camping is like camping stories.
(27:25):
And there was a girl I went to grad school
with who has perhaps my favorite camping story, and I
thought I would just share it with you. It was
this exercise we did at the beginning of the year.
We all had to share embarrassing stories, and hers I
thought was so good. So she was dating this guy
and she really liked him. They were at a really
good point and he was like, I want you to
(27:46):
meet my family, and she was thrilled. She was like,
oh my god, I'm meeting the family. They were really outdoorsy,
this family, and so he was like, we're all going
to go camping, which I thought was like a bold
move for a like meet my girlfriend, let's all go
camping together. She's not an outdoorsy person, but she was like,
you know what, I'll do it because she wanted to
(28:08):
like show a good front. So she went and she
said it was surprisingly fun. They did the campfire thing,
they made somemores. They were having good time, and then
she had to go to the bathroom. It was like
later in the evening and they had a couple of
drinks and she really need to go to the bathroom.
And she was like, where do I go? And these
are like proper, like rustic camper people. They weren't like
at a kaa. So they were like, oh, well, you
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use the creek, like you know, fifty yards that way
and it's like pitch black, and she was a little
tipsy and she was like okay, and she was like,
but I don't got a pee. I got to like
go to the bathroom, which she didn't say in front
of them, and she was like, I don't know how
this is gonna go. So she was like it was
also kind of cold. It was like in the fall
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and they're in Canada. But she like stumbled her way
to the creek and she was like, I'm gonna make
this work, souse. I want to make a good impression.
But she didn't want to go into the creek because
it was cold and the water was freezing. But she
didn't want to like go poo on the side because
she was like, this is where everyone's going to be coming,
so I don't want to leave it. So she found
like a small tree, and she like held on and
(29:13):
tried to like lean back over the water, like pulled
her pants down around her ankles, held onto the tree,
squatted and leaned back as far over the water as
she could, and then the tree broke and fell on her.
So she fell backwards into the water and the tree
hid her in the head and it like knocked her
out for a second. She said, she was like kind
of like blacked out, and she like sort of when
(29:35):
the world came back, the boyfriend and his whole family
were standing on the bank like are you okay, pulling
her out of the water with her pants down around
her ankles, and she had gone to the bathroom and
so it was still kind of like on her legs
and she was just like and this was my first
day with his family. Was they hit to fish my
(29:56):
like pooh covered self out of a stream after I
fell in and knocked myself out with a tree.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I'm leaving the boyfriend for.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
This, I am too. And it's like not exactly a
funny story. So much as it's just like, oh my god,
and it was just like and she was like they
were so nice to meet the rest of the time,
but like that awkward like way too nice to you
where they were also a little like who the fuck
is this woman? And how did she manage to accomplish this? Oh,
so they couldn't have you're not supposed to deificate in
(30:25):
your water source.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, this is fully if you are, of course off
I have problems with outdoor family.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But okay, I was gonna say, I feel like opinions
would be happy.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, I don't want to take your time. I will say,
if you're taking your significant other to meet your family
and it's camping, you are responsible for making sure that
they know like, hey, it might.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Be awkward, but you dig it into the tunnel or
you know, like like they should be like he should
have been.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
We end up like you shower this way like before
she shows up, so that there's not like this like
awkward family situation where she's like, how do I you know,
do this?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I fully agree, I think, And they did not last
much longer after that trip.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I think it was a mutual parting of ways, although
she is definitely that girl at family events where they're like,
do you remember that girl you dated who shut on
herself and fell in the water.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, like you know that they talk about it. This
is for her, This is in loving memory of her.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I mean, but she's like I was, I was, you know,
traumatized by this incident, and now I'm traumatized again by
my friend's sharing it.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So I said, no names, but but yeah, she did,
to be fair, share it in front of our entire class.
So now you get the fun job of picking a winner,
whatever that means for you.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So yeah, I took notes.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Actually more and more people taking notes, and that very seriously.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
So I will say that I think that you both
did very good with and no disrespect to the last guest,
but a topic that is not doesn't give a lot
to go with Ryan, Happy birthday, Thank you, and I
really did. It was interesting, Like I thought, you want
the Wikipedia route, which was a good start.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I always go to the Wikipedia route.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'm happy that I made you go first because I
think we had a real good entry into the history
of marshmallow. And as a fan of peeps, that was
a point in your favor because you also like peeps.
And then Michael, I like that you you know, made
it more.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Long term story.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I am going to look at the KOA thing and
write a very strongly wording letter that they have to
do better about their top ten lists or AI is
going to replace us as writers.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
So I will send you the link, yeah for their
twelve mouthwatering some more recipes and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Look, I'm you know, I I you know, I don't
like to gossip, but I do like to tell a
good story. And so I mean the fact that you
took this opportunity to share your friends really pretty probably
you know, traumatic and life changing story in your favor.
(33:18):
I you know, I really I got it was an
enjoyable release and distraction from the trauma of my own life.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So I'm going to give it to you. Michael.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh my god, thank you. You've now ruined my birthday.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I guess I guess You'll have to go back to
your wonderful home and partner and really, you.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Know, you're incredibly clean home.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna long off and just hear
the silence of.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well you turned everything off. You told us that beforehand.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well with my thoughts. Yeah for the rest.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Oh Man, Well, thank you very oh I'm so honored.
I didn't expect that, especially after KOA really let me
down on the recipes. So I'm thrilled to thank you.
Congratulations Michael. And what is our topic for next week?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So I would like to just say and that because
this had was sort of hinted before, and I had
thought of this topic when I was going through different
ideas and I was trying to come up with something
that could both be fine but interesting enough that you
would be interested in it. And so you can take
(34:35):
it in any direction you want, but I think your
topic should be social.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Nudity, social nudity, social nudity, fie. Actually, I have have
some places to talk.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Ryan's jumping on Blue Sky right now to do.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Excuse me, well, leave me alone. I'm researching social nudism.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, we might have to make this one a video pod.
Hello, welcome back. Who Welcome back to White Noise. I'm Michael.
We have Ryan, our good friend Jay is joining us
to be our guest jet welcome Jay.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
We're just catching up because Jay and I have I
haven't seen you in years, but I see you on
my Instagram all the time as you give great advice
and you know it's for people who have not seen it.
Jay is not on Instagram. Is the whole handle correct?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's also Jay is not on TikTok j. I'm not
on blue Sky, but if I was, it's a yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Oh yeah, you didn't. You didn't join that crush of
people running over to blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, I was never really a Twitter person, so I
didn't really have this like massive need to stop doing
something I wasn't using.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's actually same. I didn't reallyse Twitter, but I did
join blue Sky just to like join the movement, and
then I proceeded to like never really open it again.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I actually thingured may have an account, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
If I have an account. As soon as whatever recording,
I'll go post something.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So I use I used blue Sky for nefarious reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's what I that was what. Yeah, years ago I
used Twitter for and then I just stopped using twitters.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, what do you use now?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
What is everyone like if you're not using Blue Sky?
Is it just Google? The interwebs, the Googles.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm like, I'm an old man. I'm just like being
like big boobs.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Dot cop do your imagination.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So what we were talking about before we hit record
was how like Jay actually like reads books.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I would like to say, I feel like this is
going to make me seem a lot more intelligent than
I am, and then I'll let everyone else down in
the next hour.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So I think you're incredibly intelligent. I remember when I
first met you. You you exude competence and intelligence. It
also might be the glasses.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Get so you make it. That's my motto.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, and I was just telling Jay, I'm pretty I'm
sure I saw him on Hot Dudes on Subway, Hot
Dudes on the Subway reading books.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I think that that was an account for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, that was when what was it tumbler was really big?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right, I was gonna say it was a tumbler, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I used to love Tumblr. I used to I used
Tumblr for me too.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
On a different note, Ryan, it's your birthday. Yes, it
is my birthday. Thank you, Happy birthday. What are you
doing other than recording this fabulous podcast?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So I was in Puerto Rico for the previous week
and then promptly got back and had to go to
Toronto for work.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Woo who.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
But I kind of figured I kind of figured, like,
you know, I celebrated pretty good over the previous week,
so this we're hanging out.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Meanwhile, I was literally just looking at the screen like anyone.
You know, when you're on a video call, you just
look at yourself. And I was literally just looking at
myself next to YouTube, and I was like, I look
so haggard, and I actually think you two look great.
I was just like, oh my god, I need to
moisturize more. I'm pretty sure it's a filter. I have
a filter on right now. So, oh, so you're cheating.
(02:58):
Actually I have started, do you guys do?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I just started this. I started a whole cream regiment.
What's your cream regiment?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I have a morning cream and night cream, and I
have a like a like something for the bags under
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And somebody cleaning up your kitchen in the background.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Oh, that would be James. James is eternally cleaning. That's
my Jay, that's my husband.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
He's he is eternally cleaning. He's getting ready for guests.
When you say cream, that just makes me think of
a girl that I went to school with who is
from Germany. And I remember one time we were at
lunch and she was just had vegetables and she was
just dipping them in this white substance. And I was like,
her name is Anna. I was like, what are you eating?
(03:40):
And she's like, Oh, it's this wonderful cream sauce. I
don't know if you have this in America. It's very
nice for dipping vegetables or crackers. It's called mayonnaise. And
I was just like and she was like, it's this
wonderful cream sauce. You're just it's good for everything. And
I was like, yes, we have mayonnaise, we don't dip
carrots in it. And she's like, oh, well you're missing out.
(04:01):
It's really nice. Ever since then, when I see mayo,
I just think of cream sauce.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, it was fine. It's a very white person thing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I was the most like white person Mayo I got
is I was mixed mayonnaise and catch up two things
that I don't really like separately together and then I
will did French fries in them. And technically I think
it's called Navy sauce, but that could just be because
I was in the Navy when I learned about it.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That's right, you were in the navy. Oh, what did
you do in the Navy.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well, I went to the Naval Academy and I was
in the military for a number of years.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
So nice, I've been to Annapolis, I have not.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's exactly the same visiting and graduating, same same experience.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Did you did you climb the obelisk at the end
of your plea beer?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yes, I mean yes, and no I did.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I participated in the experience, but I was a rower
and our coach was very clear, So so I would
say from if people don't know that you climb this
thing called Herndon at the end of the year. Lots
of people like it for a number of reasons, but
it's the photos make it look like it's a bunch
of shirtless, very ripped dude climbing on top of each
other and they're getting scrayed with hoses. Those hoses are
(05:16):
like fire hoses. It's actually like pretty like it piles
up with the body to the hekats way, so people
will fall and break legs and arms and all sorts
of stuff. So so our coach was very much like,
you can participate by being physically there as a bleep,
but you will not be climbing in any regard.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So, yeah, is it a The objective is either to
put something on the top or take something off the top.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right when you are when you go to the Naval Academy,
you do this thing called your pleap summer. So you
end up going to the academy early and it's basically
a number of weeks before the rest of the student
body shows up, where everyone who's a freshman or a
cleave is yelled at and screamed at, and it's sort
of like a boot camp that they kind of break
(06:03):
you down to then build you back up. Is the
whole idea. Over your next year, you have the most restriction.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
They're in cleeve.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You wear when you first get there what's called Dixie cups,
so they're like these little hats. They're not like you know,
and so at the end of the year, when you're
you're moving, then you have graduation, graduation weeks a huge
seal at the Naval Academy. One of the events is
all the plea climb to the top of this this
giant statue monument that's been greased up with lard and
(06:33):
you replace the Dixie cap that's been put on the
top with like an actual midshipman cover what they call
a hat. And then that's technically like the end of
your plea year. And so then you can't get yelled
at anymore by upper clock. I mean you can't, but
you know what I'm saying, Yeah, you can't. Like you're
not like the lowest of the low anymore. You're considered
(06:54):
like there's all these rules the when you're a pleave
that you can't do, like certain things you can't walk
on and you know, and so you don't none of
the as apply anymore. And so it's a big sort
of I would say symbol.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Passage, right, yea symbol that's.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Not word, but it's a bit. It's a big sort
of like uh tradition.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I remember being a you know, fairly young and seeing
like pictures and video of it and not understanding why
I was so intrigued by it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So when I was.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
At the Academy, I would say a couple of years
after that, I was down at Rehoboth Beach. I'd made
a bunch of like secret I was under don't as
all time.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'd made a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Like secret DC gay friends and was basically a terror
before there was demon twinks. I was, you know, a
very skinny closetmanshipman RORI terrorizing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
The Baltimore area.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I was down to Robaho with Beach at some
house and some older gay men where like the photos
had come out or we're looking at the photos, and
I remember going on this like self righteous monologue rampage,
you know, you know, sort of designing women's style of like,
this is not a sexualized experience. This is a real
like very like very like I didn't I can't even
(08:12):
see what you're seeing. And then like decades later, like
the poppy of my screen to me being like, oh yeah,
I got it. I was like I was there.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, you know, like, oh my god, that's hilarious. All right,
well should we should we jump into the No? Sure?
Oh and also have to say thank you for your
service Jay, Oh yeah, that's appropriate. As two fellow homosexuals.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I yeah, I mean, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I sure, yeah, I know, I know, it's like, you
know what, I think for some people, it's like a
little weird or whatever, but it's true. Man, like you
went through you went through some serious shit getting to
that point. You also serve the country.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So yeah, well I appreciate you saying that. I guess,
I guess I take it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I I don't regret being in the military, but I'm
not like raw raw ray.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know, Oh, I understand. I can understand that.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
So, but the people a lot of times who I
was just recently on a family trip in upstate New York,
and it was a lot of like people from Philly
and that sort of thing, and I forgot sort of
how those people are, and I made a comment to
some random stranger where I was like, oh, and then
when I say the military, and then all of a
sudden it became like, oh my gosh, thank you. You know
what I mean, It's just like I've been out for
(09:29):
so long and now I'm like a giant homosexual in
New York, Like I don't need Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I can say you the two shouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I just think it's unfortunate where we are because the
two things don't necessarily have to be separated. It's just
that we're so fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, they should at all.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But I also also think we the people who serve
in the military are doing something really great and they're stuck.
They're putting their lives on the line, so that should
be honored. But I also think we have like glorified
and I like idolized sort of the military service in
this country. And not to get political, but things are
going bad.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
No, I yep, agreed.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I think it's not something I talk about a lot
on like a form.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So I think I was both processing what I wanted
to say as it was happening, and then I was like,
this is not going the way I wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
To get Little did you know this was going to
be a real gotcha podcast appear?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right, Okay, So our topic today is Marshmallows. So we
each have ten minutes to riff on what that makes
us think or feel of and if we did research,
well done us. If we didn't, we're going to see
what happens and and Jake feel free to you know,
(10:46):
like chime in. It can be. It's free flowing. And
then at the end. Yeah, you'll tell us who wins
whatever that means for you.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So I think, having listened to a few of your episodes,
that I'm going to Ryan go first because it's his birthday.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I also think that might help you, Michael.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It usually does.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I like how you've listened enough to know that jam you're.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Just like Michael's a mess, so he kind of needs
Ryan to send him up.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
All right, start, all right, So marsh mallows. So I
did my typical thing. Actually, it was kind of a
fun topic to research because there's a lot on marshmallows.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
First place I'll start is that the ancient Egyptians are
behind it. And a mallow is a plant, and the
mallow is found in marshes. So back in the day
the rootsap was extracted, it was mixed with like honey
and nuts. It was considered to be a food of
the pharaohs and the gods. So I guess when you're
having marshmallows, now you are Egyptian royalty.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How the mighty fall every time?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I know?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Now it's jet puff. So they have other like.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Medicinal purposes that it discovered, so for like sore throats,
apparently really good for like digestive health and will soothe wound.
So apparently the sap like will line like line your
stomach and line your digestive track, and it'll kind of
protect it and soothe it, which I think is kind
of cool. But of course leave it to the French
to make it fancy and turn it into a candy.
(12:24):
I didn't write the full name down, but basically they
whipped it with egg whites and sugar and it has patai.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And my question was about to be, is it even
remotely is anything from the original his like medical benefits
has admitted to what a modern day marshmallow.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Is or oh, oh, we're getting there, And the answer
is no shocker, But you know it was. It was
a mellow patie for the French. It ended up, and
of course the Americans are the ones that you know
made it trash. But so in nineteen seventy is when
(13:03):
it came to nineteen seventy, nineteen seventeen is when it
came to the United States campfire marshmallows. And apparently it
was in the late eighteen hundreds that we switched from
the route to a gelatine which was heavily industrialized, but Jay,
I appreciate that you brought up s'mores. So it's so
(13:26):
funny that I'm going to tell this part and my
sister's calling at the same time. She's gonna like this joke.
So s'mores stand for some moores, because you want some
more when you make them. It was published in a
Girl Scout handbook in nineteen twenty seven, and the name
of the.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Girl Scout camp book. Our camping book was Tramping and
Trailing with the Girl Scouts.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I am now I'll be blond. I knew the Girl
Scout fact because I know random. I know random thanks
for some reason. But I now am. I will say
that I am determined to find a copy of that
and buy it.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I'm just gonna say every time I make snores, I'm
going to be let let's go tramping guys.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I also, I think smores a change a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I just was up with my nieces and we went
and made smores, and the experience I just was like
you put the marshmallow on the stick, you put in
the fire. It was very They seemed very confused by
the whole process, including like, because I think nowadays less
and less when people make spores they like just sort
of put the Graham cracker chocolate marshmallo and just throw
it in a microwave for kids, Like there's not this
(14:34):
sort of like build the fire, roast the marshmallow, like
the marshmallow's on fire. Sometimes you're just eating charred marshmallow,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think that's the best part.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I'm a big fan of well so seton they actually
make sticks for s'mores now, where like you can roast
the marshmallow and crush the thing together and it'll hold it.
You can put the whole thing in the It's like
a whole thing. But I'm a big fan of like
got to get that marshmallow in and like slowly rotated,
get that perfectly brown crust on the outside, and then
I like to pull that crust off, eat it and
(15:04):
then do it again.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Anyone else, Oh yeah, I've done that.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
It might just be that I'm weirdly anal so 'or
like strange.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So I feel like I ninety percent of the time
start with the browning and then just want like it
ends up bloody on fire and I'm just like holding
essentially like a torch.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I blow it out that heat. You're not supposed to.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But it's funny because I do feel like the consistent marshmallow.
Maybe even though it's not healthy for me, it's still
holding on to that coating of my inside, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, see there you go.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
By the way, it's worth noting there are tons of
if you want to know how to make like an
original marshmallow, there's tons of YouTube content which I found
out this morning about like where to go find the
marshmallow plants and then like the roots and cleaning them
and scanning them and then boiling them down and then
making your own kind of homemade luff or marshmallow as well.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So what does I mean I'm not I'm sure you
don't know, but what would an original marshmallow taste like?
Because now it's just essentially you know, corn syrup, sugar,
you know what I mean. Like, I'm just like, what
is it?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Bitter? Is it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Well, so keep in mind when I was talking about
the Egyptians like it there for them, it was just
more like they were extracting the sap out of the
root and makes it hm stuff. So it wasn't a marshmallow,
and it wasn't until the French really got into it.
So the original marshmallow and apparently it took a very
long time to make marshmallow pates and that's the official
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French way of saying it. It took a long time
to make it. And that's what the original marshmallow was
in terms of like what we know today. So they
were just using the sap as the gelatine to be
able to get to that kind of fluff state.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So would the Egyptians fluff it, do you think? Or
was it more like a syrup? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It was like a syrup, yeah, and it would like
so it was mixed with like honey and nuts. So
it sounds like maybe the honey was the thing that
was like holding it together, like yeah, and like sweetening
it up at the same time.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Where can does it? Where does it grow? I know
in marshes? Does it grow in America? Like can you
go find it? Like is it in New Jersey? I
don't know if it's in New Jersey?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But it kind of looks like a Michael's Like is
it in my backyard?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Like could it be there's a marsh not too far
the Jersey mallow? Yeah? Why does that sound like some
sort of mystical creature that's gonna like Murder.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The Jersey Devil and Mallow.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, they get together and they have sticky wood battles.
I would love a sticky wood battle.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And Ryan, whether because it or not, you should tell
Michael it does, because I really would love after this
to just see him wandering around the field try to
make trying to make his own mellow.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Actually, it grows, It grows heavily in Syracuse, does it really?
I'm from Syracuse. That was really rude. I just got
so excited, Chris. It was I was about to go
visit my parents for a podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It was sad that people would obviously how quickly you
got excited and then how disappointed your face was.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That was just a real roller coaster. You're welcome. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I'm trying to see it like other fun facts that
I have. I was going to talk a little bit
like so for me, like marshmallows remind me of peeps,
and my mom would always put together at Easter. You
know what Easter is about, which is getting candy, and
I would always get like a big thing of peeps
and my mom was very excited, so like you know,
(18:41):
she opens up the package and she bites the ears
off of the peep, and me, being the sensitive child
that I was, was.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Like, what did you do to it? Put it back?
And my mom was like, you can't I ate it.
It's gone, and.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I was like no, and I sobbed and I cried.
So my mom had to go out and get another
thing of peeps for me, but I didn't care because
she had already killed one.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Of them, and so like, they're oh, the bunny peeps.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
The bunny peeps. Sorry I had.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
The bunny peeps were the ones that I always got.
I didn't get the little chicken, little chicken.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I only think of peeps as the little peeps are
very controversial and polarizing. I didn't I love. Oh yeah,
I love peeps honestly, and it's I Also I don't
like sweet candy, which is weird. But peeps and candy
corn are two things that I enjoyed that people hate,
(19:39):
and people hate them.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And peeps are like candy corn too.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You open peeps and leave them out for like a day,
they get like hardened, and so they like it's I love.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But if you bring up peeps people, really it is not.
People have very strong opinions. About how much.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People violently hate them.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Do you know what it is?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I think I think that like colored sugar taste, it
can be a little bitter tasting. You've ever noticed that, Like,
it's not always the most flavorful that like weird purple
or yellow sugar they put on the outside. No, okay,
it's maybe just me?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Is it? Like just the chemicals that are in it,
Like it tastes a little like soup. It's probably all
the chemicals that it's just chlorine.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
You're gonna put a marshmallow in your mouth. I don't
think the colored powdered sugar around it is the problem
every nothing there's even though this comes from a natural thing,
nothing in that thing is natural. There's an entirely chemical
based like like if you're gonna be like, but I
draw the line on the colored sugar put around, it's like,
(20:44):
all right, the strong strong take there?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, am I a time? You have three seconds? Oh
I'm at time?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It's strong. Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Was gonna say the only other thing I was going
to talk about is Krispy Treats, which also involves my
favorite tramps, the Girls Out, But I'll leave that for
some other time. Also now I really want somebody to
invent time travel and go back to Egypt and be like, look,
we brought you marshmallows, and they're just like, what is this?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You think that if someone went back in time and
brought marshmallows, the question would be what is this?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Not what is it?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I guess after after they got over all of it. Yeah, yeah,
are you ready, Michael? I'm I'm ready, okay, and go
oh key doky. So when I think marshmallows, I also
want this moores route because I think that's that's I
(21:40):
think for a lot of us, that's the first thing
you think of as s'mores. But I never thought about
putting in the microwave that which kind of lost my mind. Really,
the microwave, it's so much fun. Really, Yes, they could
blow up and they get oh that's right. Yeah, I
don't know. That never occurred to me. I just I
purely think fires and camping. To be fair, I haven't
(22:00):
had a moore in a really long time. As a kid,
I wasn't a smre fan because they were so messy
and sticky. To me, it just like wasn't worth it.
So I was that kid that would just like eat
the chocolate.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I understand that, though I think I still have a
little bit of that. I think part of the smores
is you can't ever really get it right. Either the
chocolate's too melted or too hard or too gooey. I
don't like yeah, So I understand I was I I
did it, but I think I never was, like loved
s'mores when I was like a kid.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Same, but I weirdly love them now as an adult.
And maybe it's just because of the nostalgia of it.
Like now, if I'm somewhere and there's a campfire and
somebody's like snores, I'm like, yes, and I get very excited.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I actually don't like them. I never really Yeah, I've
never liked the gram cracker chocolate piece of it. Like
I feel like it's an awkward thing.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
See for me, I'm not a big marshmallow fan in
general though, Like I didn't like fluff as a kid
like all the other kids. Remember when peanut butter and
fluff was a sandwich that every mom was making for
their kids. I always thought it was gross, But then
I also a peanut butter with cheese, So I am
no one to judge anyone's sandwich taste.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Were you sitting next to the girl with mayonnaise with
your peanut butters?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Probably the.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
People in the Friends, because like basically everyone was like,
stay away from the weird.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They're like they're clearly going to murder someone.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So I'm a bigger fan of like a pre set cookie,
like a girls.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think there's like, you know, where you like bite it,
like where.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
There is a marshmallow one.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, verse making it myself. However, I made some'mores last weekend.
Ironically enough my nieces and they have because capitalism is
you know, does can't can't help but make a buck
on everything. They now make marshmallows where the chocolate is
inside the marshmallow, so you like, you like stick the
(23:47):
stick in and then you like roast the marshmallow and
then you just put it on the gram cracker and
the chocolate's already inside the marshmallow.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But I'd argue that's brilliant chocolate.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Never I actually really enjoyed them because it was like
biting into it and then it was like hard, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, I was like eating a chocolate but it
does not melt.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So the chocolate was always like hard because by the
marshmallow is either on fire to get it hot enough
to melt the chocolate, or it's wrote toasted and the
chocolates is a hard bar of chocolate in the middle
of it. So I feel like it takes away from
the experience of making them, but as an adult, I
enjoyed them much more than actually making this.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
More that makes sense, I would probably be that person too, sorry,
So yeah, but it made me think of obviously camping
and things like that, like I and I was wondering
if there were other small recipes, and Koa Campgrounds actually
did put out their top twelve mouth watering smart recipes
(24:42):
you need to try, and I went to this thinking
this is going to be super fun and revolutionary because
if anyone should knows more, so it should be Koa Campgrounds,
which I spent a lot of time with those campgrounds
when I was a kid. We stayed in a bunch of them,
and then it turned out they all were just s'mores
with different kinds of cookies instead of gram crackers, So
(25:03):
it was kind of a letdown, but it did make
me because some I was like, oh, that's intriguing, like
using Oreo wafers instead of gram crackers, or like peanut
butter cookies, or one was just like the mouth watering
caramel one and it was like just putting caramel sauce
like on yours more. I was like, koa, this was
the least creative. It actually did make me laugh, but
(25:25):
I was like, I do kind of want to try
with oreos that actually sounds pretty good, or peanut butter cookies,
like they were like just make peanut butter cookies and
then put a piece of chocolate and marshmallow in between.
So if you were to do it, like what would
be your like gut, like what cookie would you want
to use instead of a gram cracker.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm not I know this is crazy because we've been
talking about marshmallow. So it sounds like I'm probably a
sweet skuy. I am not a sweet.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Skuy, so yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Don't really Yeah, like if there's cake or cookies, I
even work at a bakery in LA and never really
so I would probably just go with like a basic
good chocolate chip cookie because I don't I don't, like
I don't really eat.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Cookies or crave cookies.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
There's not like a cookie for me that's like, oh,
this is if they're around. I can't stop eating them
now if there's ability to throw.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
In it, you know, between like a piece of pizza
and some rams stressing.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I am actually with you on that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm in, but like, I don't know, yeah, I'm not.
I don't think for me.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I think it's funny when you said you have nostalgia
or not nostalgia, when you said, oh, I like making
sportes now because I think this weekend. I was excited
about it because of the nostalgia of it and like
doing it with my nieces, but pretty quickly was also like, oh,
I remember why I hate sports are kind of gross
and stupid.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was always too much gram cracker or not.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I was gonna say, this is why I hate them.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I think the idea of it is stronger for me
than the actual product. Like I ended up just eating
the marshmallow with the chocolate off the stick because a
I was holding a toddler and be I was like,
that's really all I want to eat, And then I
ate fine, and they were like should we make more?
And I was like, I'm good, We're good.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I mean, but it's fascinating that's become such a cultural
like cornerstone in America, Like when you think camping, you
think like s'mores and campfires, and it's just like it
must have been some marketing play that I didn't research,
but brilliant on whoever came up with it. But I
was going to say the thing that also made me
think of since More's Kawa, camping is like camping stories.
(27:25):
And there was a girl I went to grad school
with who has perhaps my favorite camping story, and I
thought I would just share it with you. It was
this exercise we did at the beginning of the year.
We all had to share embarrassing stories, and hers I
thought was so good. So she was dating this guy
and she really liked him. They were at a really
good point and he was like, I want you to
(27:46):
meet my family, and she was thrilled. She was like,
oh my god, I'm meeting the family. They were really outdoorsy,
this family, and so he was like, we're all going
to go camping, which I thought was like a bold
move for a like meet my girlfriend, let's all go
camping together. She's not an outdoorsy person, but she was like,
you know what, I'll do it because she wanted to
(28:08):
like show a good front. So she went and she
said it was surprisingly fun. They did the campfire thing,
they made somemores. They were having good time, and then
she had to go to the bathroom. It was like
later in the evening and they had a couple of
drinks and she really need to go to the bathroom.
And she was like, where do I go? And these
are like proper, like rustic camper people. They weren't like
at a kaa. So they were like, oh, well, you
(28:30):
use the creek, like you know, fifty yards that way
and it's like pitch black, and she was a little
tipsy and she was like okay, and she was like,
but I don't got a pee. I got to like
go to the bathroom, which she didn't say in front
of them, and she was like, I don't know how
this is gonna go. So she was like it was
also kind of cold. It was like in the fall
(28:50):
and they're in Canada. But she like stumbled her way
to the creek and she was like, I'm gonna make
this work, souse. I want to make a good impression.
But she didn't want to go into the creek because
it was cold and the water was freezing. But she
didn't want to like go poo on the side because
she was like, this is where everyone's going to be coming,
so I don't want to leave it. So she found
like a small tree, and she like held on and
(29:13):
tried to like lean back over the water, like pulled
her pants down around her ankles, held onto the tree,
squatted and leaned back as far over the water as
she could, and then the tree broke and fell on her.
So she fell backwards into the water and the tree
hid her in the head and it like knocked her
out for a second. She said, she was like kind
of like blacked out, and she like sort of when
(29:35):
the world came back, the boyfriend and his whole family
were standing on the bank like are you okay, pulling
her out of the water with her pants down around
her ankles, and she had gone to the bathroom and
so it was still kind of like on her legs
and she was just like and this was my first
day with his family. Was they hit to fish my
(29:56):
like pooh covered self out of a stream after I
fell in and knocked myself out with a tree.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I'm leaving the boyfriend for.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
This, I am too. And it's like not exactly a
funny story. So much as it's just like, oh my god,
and it was just like and she was like they
were so nice to meet the rest of the time,
but like that awkward like way too nice to you
where they were also a little like who the fuck
is this woman? And how did she manage to accomplish this? Oh,
so they couldn't have you're not supposed to deificate in
(30:25):
your water source.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, this is fully if you are, of course off
I have problems with outdoor family.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But okay, I was gonna say, I feel like opinions
would be happy.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, I don't want to take your time. I will say,
if you're taking your significant other to meet your family
and it's camping, you are responsible for making sure that
they know like, hey, it might.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Be awkward, but you dig it into the tunnel or
you know, like like they should be like he should
have been.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
We end up like you shower this way like before
she shows up, so that there's not like this like
awkward family situation where she's like, how do I you know,
do this?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I fully agree, I think, And they did not last
much longer after that trip.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I think it was a mutual parting of ways, although
she is definitely that girl at family events where they're like,
do you remember that girl you dated who shut on
herself and fell in the water.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, like you know that they talk about it. This
is for her, This is in loving memory of her.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I mean, but she's like I was, I was, you know,
traumatized by this incident, and now I'm traumatized again by
my friend's sharing it.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So I said, no names, but but yeah, she did,
to be fair, share it in front of our entire class.
So now you get the fun job of picking a winner,
whatever that means for you.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So yeah, I took notes.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Actually more and more people taking notes, and that very seriously.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
So I will say that I think that you both
did very good with and no disrespect to the last guest,
but a topic that is not doesn't give a lot
to go with Ryan, Happy birthday, Thank you, and I
really did. It was interesting, Like I thought, you want
the Wikipedia route, which was a good start.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I always go to the Wikipedia route.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'm happy that I made you go first because I
think we had a real good entry into the history
of marshmallow. And as a fan of peeps, that was
a point in your favor because you also like peeps.
And then Michael, I like that you you know, made
it more.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Long term story.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I am going to look at the KOA thing and
write a very strongly wording letter that they have to
do better about their top ten lists or AI is
going to replace us as writers.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
So I will send you the link, yeah for their
twelve mouthwatering some more recipes and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Look, I'm you know, I I you know, I don't
like to gossip, but I do like to tell a
good story. And so I mean the fact that you
took this opportunity to share your friends really pretty probably
you know, traumatic and life changing story in your favor.
(33:18):
I you know, I really I got it was an
enjoyable release and distraction from the trauma of my own life.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So I'm going to give it to you. Michael.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh my god, thank you. You've now ruined my birthday.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I guess I guess You'll have to go back to
your wonderful home and partner and really, you.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Know, you're incredibly clean home.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna long off and just hear
the silence of.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well you turned everything off. You told us that beforehand.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well with my thoughts. Yeah for the rest.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Oh Man, Well, thank you very oh I'm so honored.
I didn't expect that, especially after KOA really let me
down on the recipes. So I'm thrilled to thank you.
Congratulations Michael. And what is our topic for next week?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So I would like to just say and that because
this had was sort of hinted before, and I had
thought of this topic when I was going through different
ideas and I was trying to come up with something
that could both be fine but interesting enough that you
would be interested in it. And so you can take
(34:35):
it in any direction you want, but I think your
topic should be social.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Nudity, social nudity, social nudity, fie. Actually, I have have
some places to talk.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Ryan's jumping on Blue Sky right now to do.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Excuse me, well, leave me alone. I'm researching social nudism.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, we might have to make this one a video pod.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.