2YO Stakes begin this weekend! Handicapper Chris Larmey joins the show - Episode #94

The Emerald Downs racing surface plays host to the fastest two-year-olds in the northwest Sunday with the running of the King County Express and Angie C. Stakes for colts and geldings and fillies, respectively. Both races are at 5 1/2 furlongs with a purse of $50,000. Post time Sunday is 2 pm. Post time for Friday night is 7 pm while Saturday is 5 pm. Top national handicapper Chris Larmey is the guest, the Washington native speaks to the two podcasts he's involved with. This weekend is a Family Fun Weekend at Emerald Downs and the younger fans get another chance on the track in Sunday’s Kids Dash. Free ice cream for all participants! Next week, Equine Art 2023 begins on Thursday evening and runs through Sunday, July 16. “Breakfast At the Wire,” begins Sunday, July 23 at 8 am near the Paddock Grille on Track Level.

Episode Transcript

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Explosive Speakers on the grandstand side,not home yet as Lucky Lad, Lucky
Lad, explosive speaker on the outside, and Muncie Exclusive speaker, I come
from behind. When you're listening toanother edition of horse Racing Northwest from Emerald
Downs, as we are in themonth of July twenty twenty three, it's
plenty to talk about over the courseof the season to date, and this

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week Joe Withe Vince Brune build downshere on horse Racing Northwest and we just
heard the audio at the top ofthe show. Exclusive Speaker. One of
the top stories at Emerald Downs herein twenty twenty three. He is two

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for two at the meeting and fellas, that's an impressive horse so far.
Bill. Yeah, he said therecord of miles seventy yards and he did
it mostly on the front end,and last weekend's race it was from off
the pace. And that shows versatility, obviously, And that's a way to
find your way to the winter circlea few more times, because you're not
just pigeonholed to, you know,needing the leader, needing a certain pay

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scenario. You can do it fromon the front end or from off the
base. Yeah. Indeed, he'sgot what eight career victories now and five
in twenty twenty three, five ofhis eight for the six year old son
of mister Speaker and Vince. Heis certainly one to take note of there
for Trayner George Rossalis, Yeah,And watching that race, they come down

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the lane, I'm thinking, oh, months, he's he's finally going to
get that win. And then Ilook outside of it because he was firing
as usual, and then I lookoutside of him and here comes Exclusive Speaker
over the top of them all.And like Bill said, that was a
kind of a change in strategy forthat horse. And that was only what
six days after he set the trackrecord to wheel right back like that,

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and he got an eighty two buyer, which topped his previous one, which
was a seventy eight. For thoseof you follow those, so yes,
very sharp horse and reading your wrapup every night. Months. He had
another big effort at High that's threestraight now fourteen to one, fifteen to
one, and seventeen to one.So he's got a win on win coming

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up here somewhere Soon's. He's tryingreally hard and he's out performing his odds.
He just keeps running into buzz saws. Okay, so that was not
a stake, but who knows.Exclusive speaker might be headed that way down
the road here at Emerald Downs.Chris Larmie is going to join us.
Chris is one of the outstanding handicappersin North America. He's been a tournament

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handicapper for over twenty years. He'svery well known nationally. Bill, You've
been at the NHC many times yourself, and Chris, of course is you
know if there were a favorite listed, he'd probably be in the top ten
most years. Yeah. A coupleof things about Chris. Chris. I
went to go play a contest atHawthorne after our racing season last year Hawthorne

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Invitational, and Chris won that contestthat I was that I was in,
and then Chris and I m cohost a webcast on YouTube for a couple
of online handicapping contests that are sponsoredby horse Attorneys dot Com. I play
the role of, you know,kind of the host, if you will,

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but also handicap, and then Chrisis the analyst and we kind of
do it from our homes and itgets it's nicely produced. I will say
that we would do the third event, but it's during the Emerald Downs racing
season and I can't do it reallyon the Saturday, which is the more
important of the two day contest,if you will. So we don't do

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it for the third event. Butwe've been done in the last couple of
years and so I've gotten to atleast no Chris a little bit through that
events or those events. You know, sorry, you know guys watching just
on social media. Chris Laramie isa friend of the horse player. Yeah,
for sure. He's kind of abenevolent watchdog over things that affec to

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horse players. And he's got verypoignant and very good, sensible logical observations
on a lot of things that goon. And uh boy, he's also
a superior handicapper and you bet anduh he but he he's not just throwing
darts either. He's got well reasoneduh handicapping skills he uses to uncover those

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gems. And he also plays,you know, he doesn't he's just not
a contest player. There's some outthere just play contests. He's also betting,
betting plenty as well, so hedoes kind of does it all.
He's he's a good person to talkto. He was instrumental in getting the
uh the signer bill that created youknow, less than for every oh yeah,

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now, now the total ticket goesinto the the figuring of when you
have a signer and when you don't, other than just every three hundred to
one for every bet. So thatis just saved horse players zillions over the
past what about eight years now,something like that. That long. Yeah,
it might be okay. Chris isgoing to join us in segment two

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racing at Emeraldowns this week. Wehave three different post times, so take
note of that. Friday night sevenpm, Saturday at five pm. Now
we're gonna be going at five pmon Saturdays for the next several weeks.
The Kenny Dale's some live music afterthe races up on the fifth floor.
If you come to the track,you are already in the music. If

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not, you can get your ticketsat emeraldowns dot com Live Music after racing
on Saturday night and then Sunday ourregular time of two pm. On Sundays,
we've got a stakes double header thisweekend two year olds in action.
I'm gonna guess that there's a fewfirst time starters involved in these stakes,
Vince. Yet we haven't gotten tothose races yet, but yeah, you

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are absolutely right there is. Thosedrew really well too, because we've only
had I think three two year oldraces so far. Yeah, the King
County Express, which goes as rateeight Race eight, drew a field of
nine, and the Angic Stakes,which is for the Phillies, drew a
field of seven. Both of thoseat five and a half furlongs. On

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Sunday, the angc goes as Racesix, the King County Express goes as
Race eight. Just as we're talkingbefore we started today, this is my
opinion, probably the best card we'veseen so far at Emerald Down this year.
A lot of depth top and bottomten races. Just looking at Race
nine, you've got a field ofeleven older horses in allowance optional claimer going

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six and a half furlongs and youknow, you figured it probably take a
lot to get Kevin Radkey off taxcode at this point the way that horse
has been running. But he showsup on Brady Boy and Alex Cruz goes
on tax Code and that is horseslike nine one one for Robbie Gilker,
who we saw was really good herelast year. Heo Galante up for Frank

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Lucarelli. You got your the causewho won the derby here last year.
Saville Row just won at Santa Anitaup for Justin Evans. So it goes
on and on. But that's anoutstanding race. And the first race is
a good mile race for older claimers. Outstanding race seven for older phillies and
mayors. You got Missus Parkside goingfor a hat trick against Frisco Frills.

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You go girl and that bunch ArelilaGrace. So it's a great car top
to bottom. Boy, that isthat's a great start to Sunday's racing.
Two pm post time. It's afamily fun weekend at Emerald Down, so
another good time for the kids andthe families will have events out in the
park and we're gonna have another kidsrace. The kids get to run on

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the track and let's hopefully hope theydon't go a mile and three eights like
they did. Our promotions man,Gary Doherty, make sure the kids will
end up at the six furlong marketplace. Yeah, so we need the
outrider back on the backstreet. Wedon't need our insurance premiums going up up
up. We thank you, Gary. Yeah. We get various living things

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out there on that track. Thistime it's going to be kids. So
take advantage of that ice cream forthe kids after the race is over.
So only if they don't run atthe sixth for Lamar Yeah, yeah,
there you go, all right.And last week's honors Vince okay, yeah
for July first through third, ourjockey. This is an interesting one.

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Neptali Ortiz. Anyone who's here lastSaurday night saw a natural hat trick.
Yeah, and you know this guypreviously in North America had written in Canada,
Western Canada five or six years ago, but I understand he'd been writing
in Venezuela most recently. He's obviouslygot some Polish from somewhere. You know,
he came down the middle of therace track. Two straight races there

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for Luciana Medina Gabriel and those horseswere full of runs. So Neptalie doing
a great job. Our lost.Margarita's trainer of the week M L.
Pierce. He had a couple ofwins. He's been supporting us pretty good
the last couple of years. Ourowner is Luciano Medina Gabel. He also
could have won trainer. He hadthree wins as an owner trainer, so
great week for him. Our Washingtonbread goes to Shelby Gold when the Saturday

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feature race Eric Jensen the breeder there, and our Quartershoot Cafe groom goes to
Lane Marquez from the Justin Evans Powerhouseoutfit. Honori mentions last week Joe Toy
had a nice week with a coupleof winners. Frank Lucarelli and other big
Week three winners Alex and Iya gottenrolling with a couple of wins, including
a feature race win on Jin Tong. Yeah, very good and doud probably

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go over Justin Evans stats next week. But he's got a shot to break
the single season record here. He'sgot so many He's got so many chances
on Saturday, I would almost setup the over under it at least two
and a half, and if not, he could very easily go over that
number. Yeah, significantly. He'sgot horses all over the place, you
know, and what I mentioned likeSeville Row coming in for that nice allowance

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race ons. He rotates with stocklike most of these big time guys do.
He's always bringing in new horses,replaces thing and supply, keeping up
fresh. And the staff that reallyjumps out at me. Twenty nine wins
in only eight seconds, so thatthat's pretty powerful one. His horses are
coming down the lane in contention,they're getting the money and just filing up

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on what he's got it. OnSaturday, I think he'll have the favorite
horse and races four, five,six, and seven, and he might
the eighth race is U. Hemight have it in the eighth race as
well. It's probably the one thatwhat did you did you remember this one?
Vince gold Rush, Candy and theeighth race at all? You know,

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I can't remember off the top ofmy head. No. Probably,
so when in doubt, i'd doRousing Rebels in the race. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure. So he mighthave the favorite races four five, sixty
seven and eight on Saturday. Oh, there's some good racist Saturday as well.
Okay, yeah, Justin Evans twentynine wins through the first twenty two

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days of the meet, and therecord here at Emerald Downs is sixty six,
set by Jeff Metz a few yearsback. Yeah, and uh,
well, Noah's Frank Karelli. Andremember In Luke had the sixty six.
No Luke had eighty two. Ibelieve it was. And because Jeff had
the previous or remember that? Canyou edit that out? I don't want

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to look that bad, but youremember it now. It was twenty nineteen,
I believe, and he won thatone. He won the first five
on a card one day. Andyeah, so Christiansen set the record car
owner. I hope Frank's not listening, Joe. He's gonna he's gonna scold
you for that, I'm sure,and get that in his Hall of Fame
copy. That's for sure. Okay, eighty two wins, Well, that's
gonna be a little tough for forJustin Evans. But but you know,

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he's on a win over a wina day pace, like a win in
a third per day, which isawesome. He's got about twelve in this
weekend. Yeah, okay, Sonews and notes up at Emeraldowns dot com.
They are Yeah, they went uptoday. And one other milestone we've
been following. Blaine Wright still atnine ninety eight, had a couple of

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real close calls here last Saturday withPurple Night and Reservoir. You just look
at a Pleasant. He's got alot of action down there and a lot
of action here. So I thinkhe's about to hit a nice milestone this
weekend. What does he got Fridayat Pleasant? You know, I can't
remember. Um, I think he'sgot at least three horses in, and
I think he's got a couple oftwo year olds in down there. On

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Saturday too, he's got he's gota pretty busy race card here too this
weekend. So just trying to makea mental note. Yeah for Friday night,
he's got that one horse, thatone in the sixth race or something,
so okay, and he gotta keepthese things, keep these things in
order. Yeah, like me,Okay, Hey are where are they now?

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This week is Rooster City who hehad an excellent career. He ran
against a lot of top horses hereat Emerald Downs two thousand and eight,
nine ten and ventured to California andhe's back with his original owner, so
that will be of course, weplay our where are they Now video before
the first race every day and itgoes on YouTube emeralddowns YouTube page. Hey,

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most impressive winner last week? Didwe go over that exclusive speaker?
Was certainly one of them? Bill, you got any other? Now,
it wasn't the highest buyers speed figureof the week, but on what was
it Monday July three? The sixthrace Philly and Mayor five thousand dollar claiming
race. I liked the how aslice of Pie one four dominated. Yeah,

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yeah for Luke A rally in thatrace set right off at the pace.
Now, granted there was to meit was it was a race that
was loaded from top to bottom andwas one of the races that the Emerald
Racing Club was in with Warren's memorablewho finished sixth in that race, but
he looked down the line slicipy sevensisters, who's a rock solid at the

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five thousand dollars level. Moll Conleycame into the race off of two when
some of the Samurai showed some signsof life in the race, willing to
burn was off the long layoff.He won some races last year. Just
thought there was a very strong fivethousand dollars claiming race and slice Api did
it the right way, winning byalmost four lengths, and so I decided

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to make that one my most quoteunquote impressive. I can follow up on
that real quick. And one ofthe things I try to teach to a
racing club members are the conditions ofa race, and it's one of the
difficult things to learn here. Andthey asked good questions and one of them
was, well, Warren's memorable justone for eight thousand, Then why why
she's such a big price for fivethousand, and which she was and explained,

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well, you know, the eightthousand was a non winners of three
life him. Now she's going againsthorses that have won seven, eight,
nine, six times. These aretough old pros. And it's one of
the things I love about racing,the little nuances like that. But it's
sometimes the new people struggle to pickup on something like that. And just
talking to our jockey afterwards, hesaid, Warrensburg, she was trying.

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She just couldn't keep up with thosehorses, that's all and the other thing
now you're bringing that up. Anotherthing is is sometimes you know, you
get three year olds against At thistime, you're only going up against three
year olds, and then when theygo up against olders, it's much tougher.
They might be in for eight,but they're now in for five,
and they went from a three yearold race for eight now to older race

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for five. And it's like,yeah, people don't want to understand that
either. But that's something you gotto take a look at. Handicapping one.
But yeah, these five thousand andon the mail side too, these
five claimers here, open ones arereally tough with He found that out going
up against older horses the other night. It was a little tough there.
Who was coming off a maiden win. So he had a couple of things

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going first race against winners and goingalong. Yeah, I thought in the
Red was really impressive on was thatSunday Yeah or no Monday feature? Yeah,
Mike and Mike Pearis really nice race. He had the one hole and
you know he took took advantage ofit with a good start, dropping class,

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stretched back out in distance. HollywoodMistress got claimed out of that race,
who finished second, and I thinkthat went to Blaine Wright, so
I'm kind of interested seeing her runback. You mentioned that race in the
Red and Hollywood Mistress. Yeah,in the Red ran awful well for a
win on dirt. You know,former mostly a tour force, but he

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had shown some some good races aroundtwo turns and anyway, could congress aratulations
to Mike Pierce, who is ourtrainer of the week. Correct, Okay,
all right, We're going to takea short time out and come back
with Chris Larmie, our guest onthis week's horse Racing Northwest. Muckles.

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Horse Racing Northwest continues and our guestis Chris Larmie, a Washingtonian who is
one of the top tournament handicappers andjust general handicappers in thoroughbred racing. Chris
is all known and he's been onour podcast and our win Play show before.
If you've attended Emerald Downs, you'veseen him out here at the track.

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Chris, Great to have you on. Thanks for inviting me on.
Really looking forward to the chat andreally looking forward to being at Emerald Downs
tomorrow. Yeah. I think it'sbeen since before COVID you've been out here.
Yeah, that's my first post COVIDtrip. Yeah, so really looking
forward to it. Okay, Well, it's me and Vince Brune and buildowns

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here on horse Racing Northwest and youknow all of us guys pretty well,
and just what's how's the year goingfor you so far? Chris? Oh,
it's great. Um, you know, healthy, family's doing well.
You know, racing has been fun. I started I've had one podcast going

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for a while and I started newone that's that's a lot of fun.
That's getting some good feedback. SoI've been busy but having a lot.
It's so fun. Yeah, wewant to talk about your podcasts and promote
those. You've been with Scott Carsonfor several years now on the Sport of
Kings where you guys cover generally onetrack that has a really big day upcoming

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and a lot of great races anda guest there and you're still doing Sport
of Kings. Yes, we arejust finished recording. Earlier today we covered
the cross country Pick five, withwhich he has races from Belmont and Orseshoe,
Indiana, including the Indiana Derby andthe Belmont Derby. So fun card,

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fun discussion. We usually cover fiveraces, like you said, from
you know, either one of theyou know, the big racing days of
the track or in this case acrossa couple. Yeah, Sport of Kings
check that out. Just great insight, Chris and Scott have you know,
just outstanding insight into handicapping and crispinga turn player looking for a price now

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and then, which I certainly likethat part of your angle and your new
podcast is quite the venture. I'vealready listened to a couple and I'll make
a comment on some of your guests. Chris is hearing these guys betting,
you know, a thousand or fivethousand to win on a four to five
shot, and he's probably just cringinginside, but he's but he's being because

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he's a price player. But tellus about your new podcast when it comes
out, and some of the highlights, so far. Yeah, I've been
thinking about this for a while.It just took me a while to finally
do it. But there's a lotof information and discussion about handicapping and picking
winners, which is really important inthe game. It's fun, and you

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know, it's important if you wantto try to make money to be able
to handicap and pick winners. Butjust as important as how you bet those
horses, you know, not justpicking winners, it's how you bet them,
especially, you know when you getbeyond say a win bet and you
start getting into an exotic wagers,especially things like superfectives and pick fives and

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pick sixes. So you know,betting is really important, but it tends
to be undervalued, and you alwayshear, at least I've always heard the
lament that I'm a good handicapperrun,but I'm allousy better. I just never
seem to be able to catch myopinion. Yeah, that comes up all
the time. Excuse me, no, And so I really wanted to create

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some content to address that so peoplecan learn not only you know, they
can get the handicapping somewhere else,and that's kind of what we focus on
Sport of Kings. But you knowthe betting side of the game and how
you become a successful horse player.And what I've tried to do is bring
in, you know, people thathave been successful for a long time and

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get them to tell us their storyand how they evolve as a horse player
and what their secrets are, orat least maybe not the secrets, but
what they think are important, youknow, attributes for being successful. And
you know, it's just a conversation. I do very little talking. Like
you said, you you've listened toone Joe Um, at least one.

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You know, I just let themroll, I said, I kind of
feed him a few questions. Butthese guys are really sharp and they and
they really want to share what they'velearned. Most of them been doing it
for a long time and want togive something back. And you know,
it's just to me. It's ifyou're really serious about this game and want
to learn, I mean, howcould you not want to hear from these

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top players, you know, howthey've been successful. I mean we're talking
about guys like Andy Bayer and um, Mike Maloney and guys have written books
and you know, made a livingum betting horses all their life and other
people you might not have heard ofbecause they're not the type that want to

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write books or be in the publiceye. But they're just as smart and
just as as successful. And I'vegotten really good feedback. People seem to
really like it, and they're learninga lot from it. I constantly hear
people saying, you know, mI changed the whole way I bet now
and I become much more successful.And that's exactly, you know, the

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feedback I wanted to get. That'swhy I did the show. Sure,
and just a lot of comment ontheir bill. And you know, you
mentioned Andy Bayer, who everybody knows, but some of these other people that
their name might not be, youknow, super recognizable as you listen to
them for five minutes, and youknow that they put a lot of thought
into what they do and where they'resuccessful. Chris, what have you learned

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from talking to all these these people? Give me one or two things that
you you surprised you if you will, And what changes have you made to
your wage ring and handicapping. Well, that's a good question, and that's
the other real reason I did.That's because you know, I want to
learn. I want to learn fromthese guys as well. I mean,

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and I've learned a lot. I'lltell you the one thing that I think
was the biggest lesson I've gotten outof it. First of all, there's
a lot of different ways to winat this game, and Joe kind of
hinted at that. You know,these guys U some of them tend to
focus on, you know, likechalkier um low variance plays and some are

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more aggressive. But um, whatI kind of learned was, I have
I love the handicap, and likeJoe said, I look for prices and
I try to come up with cleveropinions that most people I you know,
wouldn't come up with. That That'swhat I enjoy doing. But you know,
one of the things I've learned isthat you don't necessarily have to have

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that super sharp, fancy opinion.That's the clever thing that people haven't come
up with. To make money bettingon a race. I mean, sometimes
it's as simple as there's just areally bad favorite and you can toss that
favorite. You don't have to getreal cute after that. You know,
if you bet in an efficient,intelligent way, you can cash in on

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that opinion without you know, havingto come up with that clever ten or
ten to one shot that most peoplearen't going to come up with. Now,
that's probably what I've learned is Imaybe don't have to always have a
clever opinion and think about ways thatI can make money on a race even
without that clever opinion. Sure,yeah, it's it's a great learning experience,

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and yeah, you're you're picking thebrain of all these top handicappers.
So bet with the Best is thename of Chris's podcast. Who has been
your most recent guest? Any buyeris some one just to talk to a
few days ago. Good um,not surprisingly, pretty entertaining and definitely had

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you know. He talks about therun he had when he was using his
buyer figures before, you know,when they were just his own private use,
and the feeling that he had whenhe could go to the track knowing
that he had better understanding of whothe fastest horse was than probably anybody else

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at the track, and how hecashed in on that over a long period
of time. You know. Ofcourse, now his buyer figures are in
the DRF, so you don't geta big advantage by knowing who's the fastest
horse according to the buyer figures likehe used to, but there was a
time when he was doing them justfor his own use, and you know,
that's how he got a big edgeand how he cashed in over a

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long period of time. So thatwas fun, you know, Chris.
I just reread recently one of Buyer'sbooks, My fifth First fifty thousand Year
at the Racetrack in seventy eight,and there was a time when he would
go to the racetracks in Maryland andPlico. There was one meat where the

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inside was so golden, everything elsewas insignificant. The horse that got the
lead inside was going to win therace the majority of the time. And
what struck Andy about it was thatno one else seemed to catch onto it
back then. Now I think somethinglike that would be much more noticeable.
Yeah, absolutely, And that's oneof the kind of you know, Bill

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it asked about the other things.One of the common themes throughout is that
you have to continually evolve and findnew edges because even if you're out on
the leading edge, others are goingto catch up, and eventually the buyer
figures or track biases or watching youknow, trips, all those things that

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you'll lose value and you won't beable to get the same sort of edge
you got when you were kind ofout in front of people. So that's
why you have to continually learn andchange over time, or um you'll get
passed up. And you know that'sa common theme um throughout with all the
guests, they talk about that,Chris, how many tracks do you normally

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take a look at on the weekends? Do you? Are you? Uh,
you know, two or three,four or five? And then what
edges do you use? I mean, are you a trip handicap or your
speed figures? Uh? You knowwhat? What what goes into your handicapping
methods? And how many tracks doyou like to take a look at?

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I am I'll look at maybe sixor eight tracks. I don't play all
the races, but I'll scan throughthat and see if anything catches my attention
and kind of move from there.Um, because we do the sport of
King's podcast, I'm always doing whateverbig card happens to be on that weekend,
So I at a minimum, youknow, I'll start there, but

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there, you know, I tryto to be flexible and my approaches.
I'm kind of a generalist. Idon't specialize in things but you know,
one of the things that I havealways had a good understanding of was just
sort of how horses form cycles,both long term in terms of how horses

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develop as they get older and nearterm how they get fitter with racing and
workouts. So I'm really looking forhorses that I think are going to improve
off of their recent races, eitherbecause they've matured physically, you know,
from a two year old to threeyear old or three year old to a

(30:37):
four year old, or because they'vegained fitness through you know, recent racing.
So I'm always trying to project horsesthat I think are sitting on a
big improvement relative to recent races ormaybe even the best race of their life.
Now, that's what I'm probably thebest at doing is finding those kinds
of horses and you know, bettingwhat kind of rejecting improvement in races where

(31:04):
they need to improve to win,but because of that you get a price
that That's probably the thing I specializeon. And if you listen to the
Sport of King's podcast, you'll hearme talk about this all the time.
I'm hoping some of the listeners havelearned a little bit about that. I
talk about things like the golden pattern, which I think is most powerful angle,

(31:26):
and racing about that most likely kindsof horses to run those big,
best of their life races. Soyou know, that's kind of what I'm
looking for all the time. Butyou know, I look at everything.
I'm kind of a generalist, sopretty flexible in that regard. Yeah,
I think you have to be ifyou're looking for a price And were you

(31:49):
a price player before you became kindof a well known tournament player cross or
did those two things kind of coincide? Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
say I'm a player. I sayI'm a value player. And by value
I mean I'm looking for horses whoseodds are higher than I think they should
be, so that if I canfind those horses and and and on a

(32:12):
regular basis and bet them, Ican make a long term profit. Sometimes
they win, sometimes they lose.But it's like, you know, I
want to make a bet that Ithink I have an edge, and so
typically that's horses that are higher pricedbecause the favorites, it's pretty much,
you know, the value, it'skind of everything about them as well known.

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That's why they's a favorite and andsort of baked into the price.
It's hard to find, you know, a four to five shot that really
has a better than a four tofive chance of winning. There are players
that are pretty good at doing that, and that they're real picky about it,
and they and when they find onethey like, they hammer it.
But that's not my strength. Um. I'm better at finding those horses that

(32:54):
a higher at a little higher pricethat I think are being under bet.
So I'm trying to zig when otherszag, and just it happens to be,
you know, those horses tend tobe the ones that are higher priced,
not crazy long shots, but youknow, just horses that are more
in the you know, six toten to one range. That's kind of

(33:16):
my sweet spot. But you know, I won't hesitate to play higher horses
at higher prices, and sometimes horsesat lower prices if I think, you
know, they still offer value.But I think that's the key message that
comes out again in the Bet withthe Best podcast is you can't win long
term unless you have an edge,and if you can't find an edge,

(33:37):
then you know you really shouldn't bebetting if you're if your objective is to
win money long term. If you'rejust having fun and you want to bet
just to make it a little moreenjoyable, that's a different situation. But
if you're really trying to turn aprofit, you've got to be able to
find value in some way a throughyour handicapping, and be in terms of

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the way you bet to leverage youropinion so you can maximize a return.
Yeah, Chris, I, especiallyduring the off season, we have a
little more time I like you orlooking for price order that you put at
value. But when you play thatway, you can go in some prolonged
dry periods at least I know Ican. Maybe it's unavoidable, But do

(34:22):
you ever find yourself one of thoseperiods and you start questioning yourself? I
mean, because when you're wagering,it can play with your mind a little
bit if things aren't going well.And that's another part I think of being
successful as being able to stay confidenteven when things aren't rolling so good.

(34:42):
Absolutely, that's another thing that comesup. Almost every guest talks about how
you deal with those highs and lowsand the inevitable kind of losing streaks.
But part of the way you candeal with that is the way you bet
so you don't necessarily you know,I say you lack a ten to one
shot, you don't you can betit to win, but there might be

(35:04):
exact as where you could you know, could run second and you could still
turn a nice profit on the race. So there's ways you can reduce that
variance. Is the way some ofthe guests talk about it, where you
know, you can shoot for thepen with some of your money, but
most of the money you're just tryingto hit the green kind of thing.
And if you take that approach,it helps even out those ups and downs.

(35:29):
So I think that's really good advice. But you know, the other
thing is when you evaluate your performanceon a I think you need to evaluate
in two ways how you're doing.You kind of reflect on you know,
after a race or after a dayor a week, you can look back
and say you shouldn't really look backat the results because you may win or

(35:52):
lose depending on you know, whathappens. You know, there's no control
over that result, but you justwant to make sure are you making good
decisions? Do you think you reallyidentified value or did you bet a horse
that you knew really was shorter priceand it should have been. You know,
that was not a good decision.But if you're if you think you're
making good bets and finding value andyou're just not getting results, and on

(36:14):
a race or a day, Ithink you just got to turn the page
and keep going. But I alsothink you also need to look a longer
term at your results, keep trackof those over time. And if you
know, after six months or ayear you're you're not doing well, you
have to kind of reflect and say, well, you know, I'm from

(36:35):
a result standpoint, clearly I needto improve my process and my decision making
and I need to make some changes. So near term I think you really
focus on process and did you makegood decisions. Long term you got to
focus on results and be honest withyourself about you know, your performance.
Yeah, it makes good sense,Bill, You and Chris have worked together

(36:57):
on some things. Huh, Yeah, we do. Uh. You know
webcast for horse Attorneys dot com.They have a series of online contests and
Chris was doing it with Scott fora bit and then Scott couldn't do it,
and then McKay Smith, who ownsHorse Attorneys, asked if I was

(37:20):
interested, And so we've done thelast couple of years, we've done a
couple of tournaments to day webcast onYouTube. One was in the wintertime,
once in the springtime. So wewe've teamed up together, and so I
get to throw things off of Chrisevery now and then and get to pick
his brain a little bit about handicapping. It's been it's been worked out pretty

(37:44):
well, right, Chris. Yeah, we're a good team. I thought
it's fun because we do a littlebit of talk about handicapping the race,
but we try to do it fromthe perspective of the contest, like if
you're in first place, you know, Joe in first place by five dollars,
you know what would be the rightplay for him, you know,
And so we kind of bring inthe strategy and contest game theory in with

(38:08):
the handicapping of the race. Soit's pretty fun. I mean, I've
enjoyed it, and Bill and I, you know, I think we do
pretty well kind of working off eachother. That's great, Okay, Well,
Bill is picking winners every race atEmerald Downs. We go up to
Bill for his selection. Myself,Bill and John Lindley most days, and

(38:31):
Chris will be joining us tomorrow fora few races, which is great actually
Saturday as we get this podcast out, And speaking of podcasts, they're keeping
Chris pretty busy once again. Betwith the Best is Chris's new podcast with
many of the top names in racingas guests, just bringing out some great

(38:52):
info, features, techniques, handicappingstyles on some of the top handicappers around.
And also it's a sport of Kingswith Scott Carson and a guest.
So you're staying busy, man,and it's great to have your input in
a couple of different outlets now,Chris, thanks, I yeah, and

(39:15):
again really looking forward to seeing allthree of you on Saturday and breaking it
down a few races at Emerald Downswith you Joe during the day. We'll
do it. Okay. Well,thanks so much for joining us here on
our Horse Racing Northwest podcast and onceagain, listen to Chris. The man

(39:36):
knows what he's talking about. Sothanks so much, Chris. We'll see
you soon. Thanks guys. HeyChris, Chris Larmie joining us on the
Horse Racing Northwest podcast and he'll beat Emerald Downs on Saturday. Okay,
Fellas, just one other couple newsitems here notes Breakfast at the Wire starts

(40:00):
on July twenty third. That's aSunday, July twenty third Breakfast at Wire
eight to ten am, hosted byDean Mazuka on the track level there the
apron just above the paddock at thepaddock grill area, so come on out
for that Dino. We'll have alot of guests there. And Equine Art
starts next Thursday as well. SoEquine Art July thirteenth on track level at

(40:24):
Emerald Downs a great highlight of everysummer. Okay, we'll come back with
our third and final segment here onhorse racing Northwest Muckles. It doesn't matter
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(41:10):
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Back on horse racing Northwest. Wejust heard audio of Hollywood Harbor, who
still holds the North American record forfive and one half furlong set at Emerald

(41:35):
Downs. And we're starting those twoyear old races. Fellas Harbor the Gold,
the sire of Hollywood Harbor. HollywoodHarbor kicked it off for Harbor the
Gold. He had seven top juvenilesat Emerald Downs over nine years. Yeah,
Hollywood Harbor, who was the firstone really really fast for Jody Pets
and Christensley and company. Yeah,and uh yeah, that's back when Harvard

(42:00):
of the Gold was just cutting histeeth as a sorry. He's still our
leading sire this year here at EmeraldDownhill. And you know, Neusa Beach
was the previous year a two yearold and he wasn't our top two year
old, no I know. Andnow its son won three stakes including the
Gottstein. You know, I justsaw a gallant son at another nice winner
back at Churchill Downs at thirty sixto one in Allowance race. He's you

(42:23):
know he's been a pretty decent sireactually under the radar. Yeah, okay,
so we're gonna do some my regularstuff here in this final segment.
We've got a topic to talk about. Unfortunately, Arlington Park is not racing
this year, and the property Ijust don't even want to look at any

(42:46):
pictures, but I hear it looksa lot different. And Bill, Bill
grew up in Chicago and knows Arlington. Well, Bill, I don't know
if you want to tell us thestatus of that property. It's not pretty,
but I know you've got a lotof memories that Well. Churchill sold
it to the Bears, Chicago Bearsin the NFL for those of you who
are maybe not a sports fisionado.But and they have begun the demolition process

(43:12):
and they're not doing it you know, boom if you will, they're going
with the wrecking ball and kind ofdoing piece by piece, and of course
they get some pictures sent social media, people will put it up and show
the whatever you want to call it, the progress if you will. Boy,
well, Vince, you have anymemories from Arlington and we'll get back

(43:34):
to Bill on that. My biggestmemory, you know, back before the
Breeders Cup. The Arlington Million wasthe first million, hence the name,
and in eighty one the first one. It was right in the heyday of
a horse called John Henry and hewent back there to run. And before

(43:54):
the race there was a horse calledthe Bart and Pete axtellm said, oh,
this horse doesn't even belong in therace, you know all that.
And they run the race. Thatlooks like the Bart beat off a fast
closing John Henry. They actually cutthe commercial before posting the photo. They
come back and say, well,actually, John Henry did win it by

(44:15):
a dirty nose, tough beat forEddie d and the Bart. But that
proved once again what a great racehorseJohn Henry was on maybe not as great
as day. He found a waysomehow when it the only time he looked
like he was ever going to winthe race was that the actual photo came
up. And a great racehorse,John Henry. And what a shame not

(44:37):
to have a great place like ArlingtonPark, one of the one of the
prettiest race plants in the world notrunning. I was amazed. Is a
real heartbreak. I think John Henrywon that race twice. Yes, nineteen
eighty four as well. Yeah,and I met John Henry and eighty four
down there at Santa Anita, youknow, and he wasn't even that much

(44:58):
of a looker as a racehorse.His old Bob Bowers, that's right,
and humble backgrounds. We all knowhe ran as a claimer at one time,
but for many years he held theearnings record for a thoroughbred. Again,
this was before the Breeders Cup,and he had all these big lucrative
races you have now. Yeah,the first Breeders Cup, of course,
was eighty four, and he hada great year in eighty four, but

(45:19):
he was just a little bit worsefor the wear by the time the Breeders'
Cup came up and didn't run.Yeah, it wasn't he. I don't
know if he ran in the MetalansCup that year or not, and it
was it was close to whether he'sgoing to mine. He was in training.
Yeah, and then he did notmake the Breeders Cup, as you
say. Well, I was atArlington for a couple of days there in
the early mid nineties and just wasin awe of that facility, you know,

(45:44):
just the beauty inside and had plentyof public areas, all kinds of
diverse public areas. But the clubhousewas just absolutely tremendous. I don't I
think I got a tour through there. I'm pretty sure. And the turf
club was fantastic to go the regularclubhouse, Wow, it's just all those
marble walkways and stairways. And she'sDesha's SWA rebuilt it after the fire there

(46:10):
in the eighties. Bill, Yep, it was eighty five, the Miracle,
the Miracle Million. I remember gettingup, I remember getting a couple
of lots of stuff and if you'regonna bring up Arlington, I was at
that race live with my dad,my late dad and eighty one, and
he was a huge John Henry fan. We flew out. My daddy used

(46:34):
to work for Continental Airlines and sohe could go anywhere at any time,
as at anyone who works for theairline industry, you can fly stand fiber
for free. And so we wentout one weekend to Santa Anita for the
San Louis Ray. And this isright when John Henry was starting to get
good and my dad we went outthere specifically to watch John Henry and he

(46:58):
paid fifteen eighty to win in theSan Louis Ray and I had a two
dollar wind bet on and I knowI'd never forget it. And so when
John Henry came to the Million,it was just like it was, you
know, like like someone seeing theirfavorite band. It was for us,
it was it was a surreal experience. And I was out in the grandstand
watching U watching that race. Andso yeah, so there was a statue

(47:22):
outside the track. Yeah, andthen against all odds and that news came
out earlier this week that that wasgoing to be donated to the Hall of
Fame Museum. Um, so thatwill be I was important. I thought
that that got to a rightful placeand I think that will at least m

(47:45):
be a place that could be appreciated. So yes, so Arlington m what
else, Well, I'll go inand I'll let you because you know it's
especially you called your Dad's Memorial Race. Yeah, my dad. Yeah,
that's a place where I grew upbasically even as a kid, there really
was and too many of my friendsthat were interested in horse racing. So

(48:07):
it was kind of like a lovethat I had, you know, with
my dad, and we would goout there on the weekends and my dad,
you know, my dad went toa plenty lots of Kentucky Derby's and
plenty of breeders cups over the years, and he just was a racing fan.
He got into horse ownership a littlebit at the end of his going
to Arlington over the years. Iremember I was there when he only owned

(48:30):
the little parts of horses and allthat. I think it owned like maybe
parts of horses of like five overthe years. But he had a couple
of winners won by the name ofTaylor Madison. I was there that day
when she broke her maiden at likeseventeen to one at Arlington. I saw
the winner circle photo for that.Just all the horses and just the memories,

(48:52):
if you will. At Arlington,it's really just, you know,
the shame because you know where Arlingtonis at. It's north west of the
city, but easy for people toget to. It's not like going downtown
Chicago, where it's just a royalpain that you know what getting downtown Chicago.
It's Arlington is It's rather easy toget to. And if I guess

(49:14):
the Bears ever do build a stadiumthere, will it will do all right.
It's the property that it sits onis just gi normous. It is
a huge piece of property and they'retrying to you know, put together some
huge development deal and whatnot as wellas the stadium. Um. So yeah,
my dad's just loved Arlington. Hewould have been just crushed, um,

(49:37):
you know, knowing what what whathas happened to it? And yeah,
I got to call my dad's racememorial race which Arlington was kind enough
to to put on. And thenJohn Dooley I was up there for one
final time and John I saw himat the local watering hole the night before

(50:00):
for and he's like, hey,you want to call race. I'm like,
all right, I guess so,and so I called called. I
got to call another race at ArlingtonLabor Day weekend, um the year that
they that they closed up shop.So that was my last time going to
the races at Arlington. And thenuh I also after the race, after

(50:22):
I left, I did spread mydad's ashes at Arlington because you also remember
them a Green Bay Packers fan andmy dad has had had season tickets since
pre Vince Lombardi and so I figuredno better place to put him to haunt
the bears for for eternity than spreadhis ashes at Arlington. So um,

(50:42):
a lot of a lot of alot of memories and whatnot. So you
know, we were fortunate to growup and attend the races in the seventies
and eighties, and it was sucha wonderful time for sport. I don't
want to be the old guy yellingat clouds here, but looking back,
boy, how many superstars and greenracing plants we had and kind of took
them for granted. I feel sadthat there's young kids right now growing up

(51:07):
who won't go to experience that whomight have otherwise, because it is just
a tremendously exciting sport and entertainment witha great history, and it's sad to
see it go away. Look atchartbooks in the late sixties, all through
the seventies into the eighties, everyfreaking track had over ten thousand fans on
Saturday and or Sunday, racing fivedays a week. A lot of these

(51:30):
tracks, you know, and fourcasinos. Casinos, casinos have taken away
a heck of a lot of potentialgamblers and worse players. And that's the
cycle of life. But h andhow about the O two Breeders Cup at
Arlington? Were you there for thatwas? And that was the betting scandal

(51:52):
to pick six ball Pony. Sothose guys, single, single, single
all, they did it all wrongand a twelve dollars or pick six ticket
on Breeders Cup Day, they getaway with it if if there isn't you
know what, I don't know ifthey would have Bob the La times him
and Jack Disney had five going toand they were they were saying, nobody

(52:13):
had, there's no one, nobodysaid one and paid twenty eight. About
the third leg on No One's GonnaWin ball Pony had they said, it's
impossible, no one, no onehas. I don't care how big the
ticket is. And then they notonly had it, but how many six
times? Okay, So granted Bill, there's a possibility they could have got
away with it if they had atwo dollars ticket, but they bought a
twelve dollars ticket, which which theyhad nobody times. They were the only

(52:35):
one to hit it, so theyhit their own bet six times. But
even so, if you looked atthe structure afterwards, single single, single
all all, yeah, nobody doesthat know, that's extremely odd. And
then you try and find out whocashed it, and if you do some
digging, I bet you they couldhave got it back to that Chris Iron

(52:58):
for Auto Toad and who was inthere wiping out the numbers on his computer
and so that was scary for horseracing. But we got to the bottom
of it. And yeah, thatwas the O two, the only Breeders
Cup at Arlington ball Pony winning thatforty three to one and one of pretty
easily I did. Yeah, Okay, there's some Arlington Park memories, Arlington

(53:22):
International, Arlington, Arlington Park,whatever. It's really sorry to see that
place. Go sports shorts. Hey, it's All Star Week coming up.
And the All Star Game was hugefor me as a kid. I was
into boy reading those box scores everymorning, you know, like you guys
probably and from fifty nine nineteen fiftynine, which I can't say I remember

(53:45):
that All Star game, but Icertainly do. The next year fifty nine
to sixty two, there were twoAll Star Games every year, and I
just was reading recently. I didn'tremember the reason why, but it was
to help with the player's pension fund. Yeah, the owners agreed to put
more money in after that, sothey went back to one All Star game.

(54:06):
And it was originally founded by Chicagosports writer. I do believe.
Yeah, Archward was behind the firstAll Star Game in thirty three. And
when I do remember pretty well fromthe sixties was when Johnny Callison hit a
three run homer in the bottom ofthe night to win for the National League
seven to four at Chase Stadium.I do remember that, Okay, well,
all piggybacker, Okay, I was. I guess I was always more

(54:30):
of some reason American League fan thanan NL fan, and the American sure
did. And the one that kindof broke one streak and then another one
started right away with seventy one inTiger Stadium when Reggie Jackson homered off the
light Standard. You can still watchthat one on YouTube when I do occasionally.
And who do you hit that oneoff of? Do you remember?

(54:53):
I wasn't that picture from the Reds. It might have been Jim Merritt,
was it. I'm thinking he wasa left hander, wasn't he was?
And I won twenty games one year. I'd have to rewatch again. But
Jackson, you know that swing ofhis, Oh my god, his old
saying, swing hard in case youhit it, swing up, in case

(55:14):
of winds blowing out. And KurtGaudy, who was kind of a stoic
at the Microhaven loss it there alittle bit because that ball was just crushed
and the American League won that onefive to three, okay. And I
was just reading about the All StarGame that the National League had a streak
their late sixties to the eighties,thirty three, eight and one. Yeah,

(55:35):
well not seventy one came right endedone streak and then began another one
and then again Chicago comes into playin eighty three yep. And I was
at that All Star Game with mylate dad. We sat up in the
right field. We've won the lotteryfor tickets, so we got tickets for
face value, but we're up inthe right field corner and the upper deck
at the old Chimiski Park and FredLynn hit the first Grand Slam. I'm

(56:00):
an All Star history to right field, and I was at the time,
I still I wasn't uh. Istill kind of root for both both Chicago
teams, the Cubs and the WhiteSox. Was I had we had great
access to some great seats for theWhite Sox when I was a teenager,
so kind of still put up withthe White Sox a little bit. So
I guess I was rooting for theAmerican League a tiny bit while also kind

(56:22):
of rooting for the Cubs that werein that in that game, but yeah,
the American League one thirteen to one. And my old my still um
my mom's old place whatever, umdownstairs. I I even put like a
an ode to the All Star Game. I got the All Star ticket stub
still there. Um. I hadall sorts of clippings about the All Star

(56:46):
Game. Uh, it was.It was such a big big thing back
then. The hot for the WhiteSox that year. Yeah, I was
solom member Rojas, uh, therelief. It's probably on the All Star
team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think Leonard Durham might
for the Cubs, might have beenon there for the White Sox. Yeah,

(57:06):
he won twenty and manister I grewup with him and his sister.
Yeah. Rich Dodson was a prettygood pitcher for a while for the White
Sox and that that era as well. But yeah, so eighty three All
Star Game is the only one thatI've been able to attend. Uh.
And speaking of Baseball Mariners, wewere ready to put them four feet under,

(57:29):
if you will, after losing twoof three to the wolful Washington team.
But they came back and they wontwo of three against the Tampa Bay
Rays, who are going up gunsof blazing, and then went on the
road to San Francisco and won twoof three. Now they sit at forty
two and forty three, a gameunder five hundred. They've got four games

(57:52):
before the All Star Break against theHouston Astros, and they've got some good
pitching matches. One of the Astrosstarters, who Javier, is not going
to pitch this weekend, at leastas a starter. So therefore, I
think the Mariners have got a chance, um where they'll be legit, they

(58:12):
might even be favored, and atleast two of these games, I think,
um. So we'll see how theydo against the Astros, and then
after that they come back with allthe up they have the All Star Break,
if you will. But then theystart up with the Tigers and they
they they're they're awful. So uh, you remember last year is when they
right after the All Star Breakers whenthey took off. So we'll see.

(58:35):
August is the month that that theMariners could really if they're going to do
something. The schedule is very veryadvantageous they got a lot of games against
the Royals, the Athletics, thelight Socks, you know, not very
good teams. And but so thatwill be the time that they got to
do something and you know, notjust be hovering around five hundred, but
but going five over five hundred ifyou will. It's it's a line sixth

(59:00):
right now, Bill, what's theirWe'll be happy if they go eighty eight
and seventy four. I know that. Yeah, sure, that was the
over under total at the beginning ofthe year. Can they do it?
I don't know. That's that's ahigh high number. I don't I don't
think so. But every ninety ninetygets you into the playoffs almost for sha.

(59:22):
They just gotta they gotta stay healthyand guys like Julio, you know,
they even though it's Mike Ford theybrought up from TV Comas. He's
hitting up cover off the baseball anddoes it for power. He's been a
nice addition to you know, we'retalking. Before he was brought up there,
they were short a couple of bats. At least they got one of
those bats in the lineup. Ifif you can keep it up. Boy,

(59:45):
they bringing up these young pitchers whocan throw though, and you know
even last night they lose too nothingand uh, pitching kept them in the
game. Yeah, they were notsupposed to really do much and they made
it a game and um just coodn'tget the bats going. Speak of pitching,
Yes, Joe, we were rightabout it was a left or not.
It was doc Ellis. Yeah,very famous picture back then for a

(01:00:07):
lot of reasons. With the PittsburghPirates right hander. It was a room
service fastball and I just watched itagain and it hit the lights standard on
the right field roof. Reggie hadsome serious power. It was I heard
six hundred feet or so. No, I don't think it was that far.
But but they're interviewed a fan whowas said it said the ball was

(01:00:30):
still going up when it hit thelight standard. So it was a serious,
serious home run. Yeah. TVdidn't really capture it that great,
you know, I mean, no, it was ready for a hit like
that. It's kind of interesting.A lot of the camera angles back then
were from behind the plate, andof course now that's the center field you're

(01:00:50):
watching from behind the pitcher. Well, they had that, but then it
left and then it was hard tofollow. They just the camera showed the
light standard, but you couldn't seethe ball because I remember, yeah,
and the lighting wasn't as good backthen either in the ballparks the candle power
they have now. But anyhow,doc Ellis, who was pretty good pitcher
for once through a no hitter wherehe walked eight men, damn with the

(01:01:15):
Pittsburgh Pirates and then later claimed herthere yeah, and then later claimed he
was on ascid LSD the night hedid it. So that's that's one of
the sports illustrator. They had awhole thirty for thirty on it. Whether
it's true or not, but hewas. He was a storyteller. Okay,
there's some sports shorts selections, Bill, what do you see on Friday?

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And Bill, you came through withOrcsey last week. He got bet
down, but he was an impressivewinner. Naptala Ortiz for Medina. I
think it was Medina Gabriel. I'lldefer to Saturday the ak th race condition
thirty five hundred dollar claiming going sixfurlongs. Horse that will be a bit
of a price is the eight horsetappet at midnight. I think Vince made

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in twelve to one. The linebumped at the start, and what I
like to watch is, you know, sometimes jockeys will wrap up a little
bit, and that's what happened onJuly first. Never really asked for his
best. He likes to come frombehind. I also thought he ran a
credible race off the shelf, alittle bit of a layoff on June the

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tenth, where he finished behind Darkand Dandy, who was well meant that
day for George Rosalis. Tap Atat Midnight likes to come from off the
pace, so always has to bea little bit dependent on early pace.
But gold rushed Candy does a lotamong others, and and all about the
money's making a big drop down inclaiming price for Vince Gibson, and so

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there's enough speed in here to setit up. And we're going sex and
not five and a half. Sotap It at Midnight, a horse to
use and some exotics in the eighthrace, number eight on Saturday, Okay,
Friday, I'm gonna come back withdon't forget the Sugar in the fourth
race, who she just won goinga mile. But you know, her

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whole resume is pretty darn good.I see she's seven to two morning line,
and she made that big late runto catch lapapas in that mile race.
That horse is back in yes weekendtoo. Yeah, that horse looks
tough back, but don't forget thesugar. Just really a lot of fine
efforts. And even though she's goingroute to sprint. You know this is

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a non winters of three. Shejust took care of her non winners of
two Alex Cruz for Candy Kreiderman fromthe one hole, figures to be coming
from a little bit off the pace. I'm gonna stay right there. But
don't forget the sugar before I analyzeit too much, all right, And
as Vince said, just a tremendouscard on Sunday. Wow, the two

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steaks for two year olds, andthen you mentioned three or four other really
good older horse sprint for for malesallowance optional claimer and a and a nice
sprint for the older phillies and mayorstoo. Just maybe a little couple of
steaks quality on both of those orwe do have stakes runners in both of

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those. So really good card topto bottom. Okay, and it's a
um it's one of them weekends forfamilies, a family fun weekend. That's
what I was looking for. Kidsrace. Okay, we did have a
few answers. You know what,I don't have those in front of me.
From last week's Tribua question. Thequestion was name a parent sibling trainer

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combo who've both been a single seasonleading stakes trainer? And one of them
seems kind of obvious, probably Blainand Richard. Right, that's not a
correct answer. Richard was right intoyour trap. Richard was not a leading
stakes trainer. But Jim Okay halberdBelbore and no um so one is Jim

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Penny and Kay Cooper. Okay,Kay was leader tied for the lead a
couple of years ago with all thosegood two year olds. She had Dave
Forrester and Grant Forrester. Very good. Yeah, I would not have gotten
that, Dame Grant. We're you'rehoping to see for the mile right yeah?
Yeah? Oh, speaking of Itold you this, I believe five

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star general is running at Indiana andin the John Schuster name Michael Schaeffer a
memorial undercard on the undercard on IndianaDerby a day. It's during the day
we out east, Yeah, onSaturday, So that faces nicely into the
mile, right, perfect? Yeah, So we'll keep keep a tabs on

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what five star General did for thisweekend. Yeah, we had Top Harbor,
we talked about he won the OakTree Sprint. Not sure if they're
coming for the mile, but we'llsee. Yeah, I mean it seems
like it would be a good spacingand a good spot for him. So
I'm gonna get it back in touchwith you who submitted the right answer?

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If you did all right, thisweek's trivia question said your answer said trivia
at Emeraldowns dot com. This isa crazy question out from way out there,
but they liked the tough one.So name the sire who had three
consecutive races, one at Emeraldowns ona single day, single day of racing,
three consecutive races. The same sireone it and the one I have

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is quite a few years ago,but it did happen here at Emeraldowns.
So I've seen two a bunch oftime. Okay, yeah, oh yeah
too a lot. I think DemonWarlock did it once did and three total
on the card. Maybe no,they it might have had well, he
had a trifecta in one, that'sright, per second and third Demon Warlock

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remember that. Okay, three consecutiveraces, one on a single day by
one, sire, that's our triviaquestion. Come on up with the answer
and you'll get even more than theregular. You'll get a hat and a
shirt and something else if you comeup with that one. All right,
thanks for listening, and hope tosee if the race is really do on

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