Doug Moore & John Parker join the show - Episode #109

Happy Thanksgiving from Emerald Downs! The 5t Floor is open this Holiday and you can enjoy a full Turkey Day meal for just $17.50 at Quick Pix. A turkey dinner with all the fixins’ including dessert. Also, there's full card simulcasting from top tracks such as Laurel, Churchill Downs, Fair Grounds, Del Mar, Golden Gate and Woodbine. WHRC Commissioner Doug Moore joins Joe and Vince on Horseracing NW. Moore sorts out the regulatory bodies that govern racing and wagering in the U.S. HISA and HIWU came in during the 2022 year and their regulatory power affected the WHRC, ARCI, RMTC and Jockey Club’s previous positions of authority. Owner John Parker speaks to the passing of longtime trainer Bill Tollett.

Episode Transcript

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Mucosuit Horse Racing Northwest November edition,Thanksgiving Edition, Happy Thanksgiving to all

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of our listeners. We've got alot of loyal fans out there, and
Joe with the Vince brun on horseRacing Northwest on and about Emerald Downs,
Washington Racing and extended out from thereas well. Vince, good afternoon,
Good afternoon, Joe. Happy Holidaysto all out there as we go into
Thanksgiving Day weekend. Yeah yeah,we'll have another podcast in December, but

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we're already talking a little twenty twentyfour and first of all, just before
we'll give it to you Vince forsome twenty twenty four news. Doug Moore
and John Parker are going to beour guests today on horse Racing Northwest.
Doug Moore ex jockey, but hasreally done some just outstanding work for the

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Washington Horse Racing Commission many years asexecutive secretary, and now he's one of
the three commissioners. And Doug isgoing to help us out with some of
these organizations as the landscapes changed alittle bit in racing over the past couple
of years. With heis and hiWU in existence now. And there's also

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a lot of other organizations like theARCI, the Association of Racing Commissioners International,
the r MTC Racing Medication and TestingConsortium, There's the Jockey Club,
you know, the NTRA, theBreeders Cup are out there for maybe more
of a marketing thing, But Doug'sgoing to go through a lot of those

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and talk about some of the changesand some of the power that those different
organizations have. John Parker well knownhere at Emerald Downs. He's won five
of the last eight leading owner titlesfor a season and Vince I think he
moved into second place all time aswell this year. He did. Only
Ron Crockett has one more races atEmerald Downs than the Yellow and Black silks

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of John Parker. Yeah, John'sgoing to join us most specifically to talk
about one of his former trainers,Bill to Let, who passed away at
the age of ninety earlier this week. Bill to Let just a bastion of
the backstretch since the late sixties.Bill was a native of I can't remember

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if he's from Oklahoma or Texas,one of the two, but he relocated
up here a long time ago,him and his wife Donna, and their
extended family who've also worked around thetrack. So we'll be talking about Bill
to Let as well, and Vince, I tease it a little bit.
We've got some news for twenty twentyfour at Emerald Downs. We do at

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the last commission meeting last week WashingtonHorse Racing Commission a meeting, the Emerald
Downs applied and was approved for itstwenty twenty four dates. We put up
on the website and released it.We begin on Kentucky Derby Day, Saturday,
May fourth, twenty twenty four,will be opening day. We'll run
fifty five days, Joe, that'san increase of three days, which is

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nice. That's a good thing.Yeah, And we'll run through Sunday,
September fifteenth. As I said,fifty five total days and Friday racing will
go only the Saturday opening week andthen we'll go Saturday and Sunday, and
then in the fourth week we addFridays on beginning Friday, May thirty first,
and we'll run those all the waythrough the end of the meet,

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including September, and then the othersignificant news out of it a slight change
in post times. Fridays remains seveno'clock, but Saturdays and Sundays we move
up a half an hour to onethirty p m. And personally I kind
of like that. Well, andactually Saturdays we raced many Saturday evenings last

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year as well, right five o'clock. Yeah, In fact, during most
of the season we began at fiveo'clock. But we'll have a steady one
thirty. One thirty. That's thekey time for weekends. One thirty key
time on weekends for Saturday and Sunday, and then July third, Wednesday for
the annual fireworks show, will beginat five o'clock. Okay, So yeah,

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check that out, and that's goingto make a lot of people happy.
Those Saturdays when we started later,the big meets would be over the
morning meet certainly, you know,like Saratoga and so forth, and then
del Mar would be winding down justwhen we got started, but we'll be
picking up a lot of regular fansfor those. I think. So one

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thirty is the weekend time at EmeraldDowns for twenty twenty four and the Fridays,
as you mentioned, that's basically wherewe're getting the extra days. We're
going to go those last few weeksand race Friday night where we had cut
those out the last couple of nights. Correct, and then last year we
raced on Memorial Day. I believewe will not race on the Royal Day
this year, but again up threedays, which I like to hear.

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Yeah, a few more days.Let's hope we can continue that trend in
the future. That's right. Horsemenwill love that. Okay, and Emerald
Downs horsemen. Justin Evans, ourleading trainer, he took a stable to
Linton or Vinton, Louisiana. Ithink it is where Delta Downs is and

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Andy, excuse me, I'll getmy teeth, my mouth, my tongue
and my voice box all working togetherhere. He was just about twenty percent
as he entered this week and he'sgot actually a lot of action today Wednesday
and on Friday as well. WithoutTurf Paradise racing this fall, things have

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changed a little bit, and nota lot of great news out of there,
I guess, not negative news eitherVents. At this point. The
only positive news I have read wason social media. Their track announcer did
post that they had installed a newtiming system at the track. Of course,
they were hand timing most of themeat last year, so I guess

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that, yeah, if you've gotto have something to time, right,
But we'll see. But nothing ofcoming out of there. And let's you
know, let's say, even ifthey announced tomorrow that they were gonna,
you know, be up and running, it's still going to take you know,
a couple better part of two monthsit would be for everyone to get
up and going. So it's goingto be I got to think kind of
a long shot to be opened byJanuary at this point down there. Okay,

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but if they do open at allafter the first year, that would
be fantastic to keep that track goingin a major market. And of course,
so many Emerald downs in Washington participantsspend the winter down there as well,
so a lot of our guys atGolden Gate this fall and into the

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winter events, a few of them, yeah, a few, I wrote
down Blaine Wright, he always doeswell down there. I saw he's got
eight wins out of thirty three starters. That's house twenty five percent. Jack
Steiner, of course the Steiner family. Jack hasn't raced up here much,
but of course we all know thefamily up here in Jack's having another great

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meet. He's eight for twenty twoand a man's man. He ran in
the mile, had a nice windown there, and then came back and
ran third again the other day.And Frank Luca rally down there for the
first time in many years. Ithink he's got like one for fourteen or
something so far. So a littleslow for Frank, but he'll pick it
up. He always wins wherever hegoes. Yes, indeed. Okay,
and I saw Blazing Bella Blues trainingdown there as well for Charles Essex Boy.

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She's up for more Washington honors.She was champion three year old Philly
of twenty twenty one, Horse ofthe Year, Washington Horse of the Year
in twenty twenty one, and topOlder Philly or Mayor last year. And
she won two stakes again this year, so she is going to be considered
for some honors. I saw shewas training down there. Let's see anybody

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else on this list here, Ithink you went over to Young Life.
Laura didn't win any stakes races oranything, but she had a good meet
at Emerald Downs with four wins.She's in training down. Yeah, and
we had mentioned that five star GeneralI think on the last one was entered,
he ran a good third down onehundred thousands. That's right, stakes
and our mile Winter, Yeah,that's the star guitar. I forget the

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name of the horse at sixteen fortwenty five lifetime five Star General in that
one, they hooked up the wholeway and five Star General gave way grudgingly
and finished pretty good there. Thatwas one hundred thousand dollars race. So
he's holding his form well he is, okay. So yeah, So Tampa
is opening this week. Jason Beamtrack announcer, back in action at Tampa.

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They've got some pretty good racing thereand Horseshoe Indianapolis just closed at the
end of last week. They hada good long meet for our simulcasters who
liked to come in during the weekdays. Golden Gate goes to December eleventh,
and then they take a couple weeksoff before resuming on the twenty sixth,

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the day after Christmas when Santa Anita'sWinter Meat opens as well on that big
day in horse racing, the dayafter Christmas every year for fairgrounds, of
course, started last week as well, Oaklawn on December eighth, and Matt
Dinnerman will be there to be thenew track announcer at Oakland Vince. Yeah,
and they've got a big, lengthywork tab every day down there heading

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into their meat, which is wealways enjoy following Oaklawn and their stakes schedule
and their overnight races are very goodtoo. Yeah, Oakland has one fantastic
meet. Matt's going to be fullof stimulus there and he can accept it.
Boy he is. You know,they got a good guy there and
Matt Dinnerman. Hey. Thanksgiving ison Thursday, of course, and Emerald

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Downs will be open for full cardsimulcasting. Many good sized tracks are in
action tomorrow, including Woodbine, delMar, Golden Gate. You know,
I'm not sure of all the morningschedule. I think Churchill's in action.
I don't think New York is inaction. I don't either. Most of
the other ones are. Yeah,early are post times at most places down

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seventeen fifty for a nice turkey dinnerfrom Quick Picks at Emerald Downs tomorrow.
So if you want to get yourturkey dinner, that's going to start.
I believe you can start feeding yourselfthat turkey at eleven am. Eleven to
two, that might be the servetime for the turkey dinner here at Emerald
Downs seventeen fifty. And it's allthe turkey dinner that you'd want, all

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the fixings, you name it,it's in there. Plus it includes a
dessert as well. And again weare open seven days a week for full
card simulcasting. Hey, horse ofthe Year national, like you know,
after the Breeders Cup idiomatic one togo eight for nine this year with a

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second. She won the distaff,but Cody's wish also won and he ended
up what four for five multiple BreedersCup winner in his career. And of
course the great story with Cody dorToorty Dorman passed away just right It was

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the day after I think it wasSunday. Yeah, it was either Sunday
or Monday. Yeah, right afteryou got to watch the horse win and
that you know, I know somany of you are familiar with that story,
but wow, that his life expectancywith his his ailment. There was
like two years I've read, andhe lived to be what seventeen or eighteen

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Cody, Yeah, I think itwas eighteen. And yeah, it was
very great story throughout the air.And boy, Cody's wish. That horse,
he's another one of those that knowswhere the wire is, isn't he
because he I didn't really care forhis chances too much inside the eighth pole
there and he got the w again. He gamed it out. And you

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know that that story with with CodyDorman. Dorman he met the horse when
the horse was just I believe noteven two, on their first meeting.
And that's of course where Cody's wishgot his name was a make a wish.
And then every time he met thathorse, the horse just put his
head in his in Cody's lap andwent over to him and was kind as

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hell. And I heard on otheroccasions that horse could be a little tough,
you know, as far as trainingand exercising. So it's just a
tremendous you know. And you andI have talked that when when you something
like a Horse of the Year,something like that can't help but affect you
a little bit if you're voting right, a greater story, you know,
on top of you know, it'smainly what the horse accomplished is, but

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you know, the whole saga youwere talking about there Joe is just such
a story that it would kind ofbe a good capstone. I think he's
going to get it, you knowwhy to Barrio the Breeder's Cup Classic,
When I got that horse is alwaysconsidered that he did. He was three
for five this year and his lasttwo races were spectacular, the Whitney and
the Breeder's Cup Classic. But yeah, I think Cody's wish. I don't

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have a vote, but I thinkhe's going to get it. Both Idiomatic
and Cody's Wish both sired by Curlin. As a matter of fact, they
both only lost one time, andthat boat will be coming up later.
I think there certainly the major contendersthe two year old, the big favorites
and the two year old races kindof flopped, and you know you've got

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Europeans in a lot of the grassraces as well, So it's probably down
to those three Cody's Wish, Idiomaticand White a Barrio for a National Horse
of the Year. As far asthe Washington Honors. Well, we'll go
over that a little bit more nextmonth. Of course, Loosed his Whiz
was our Horse of the Meeting forthe second straight year, and he is

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not among the top four leading WashingtonBred horse earners this year, but he
still won two out of four twostakes races a third in the mile.
Certainly deserved Horse of the Meeting honorshere at Emerald Downs. Yeah, he
did. And you know, Isaid I would hope we'll see him again

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next year. Yeah, and fiveStar General we talked about and we shall
see Papa's Golden Boy could be back. How about three year old turning four
Clovis Connection. He ran pretty wellover this track. I'm a big fan
of that horse. He's run prettywell over every track they put him on,
you know, and he can sprint, he can route, he went

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turf and one. I'm a bigfan of that horse, and I think
if he improves even a little bitas an older horse, he'll be a
handful, you know, and I'dlove to see him back here. Well,
looking at the Long Acres Mile isa place that so many of our
trainers point for. And Blainwright isthe trainer of Clovis connection, so a

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good chance he has got that ona possible schedule for next year. So
this is horse Racing Northwest again.We've got a couple of guests, Doug
Moore and John Park is going tojoin us on the show. We'll have
our sports shorts and trivia at theend. We have a new sire in
the state, Alternation as that isat the Pabst Blue Ribbon Farm in Buckley

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as a conveyance unfortunately passed away earlierthis year. Conveyance was the replacement for
Adaboy Roy who went to Kentucky andis siring youngsters there and conveyance did pass
away. He had several horses atthe sale. In fact, I think
he sired three crops here and standingat Paps Blue Ribbons. So we'll see

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some conveyance youngsters the next few seasons. But Alternation Emerald Downs kind of put
him on the map back in twentyseventeen. Vince, I do I remember
when? Yeah, what was thename of the horse? Again? We
just had it today and he gothis first one here with my heart awakens?

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Was that the dam or the no? That was the name of the
horse? Okay, yeah, itwas a colt he won, that's right,
and then he went into the GottsteinI believe after that, Yeah,
vering on his debut he won anallowance race or yeah, now I remember
with Jabyer Mattias up and yeah forthe Barbara Ratcliffs Coal Creek Farm, Creek
Farm. Yeah, and the firstwinter sired by alternation. That was twenty

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seventeen. That's right, And I'mglad to see the Paps still going strong.
You bet great sign And we'll getDebbie Paps on a future show and
have her tell us a little bitmore about alternations. She made a trip
to Kentucky, came back with himand she also bought a mayor back there
as well. That's in Buckley also, So maybe we can get Debbie on

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our show, our December Horse RacingNorthwest podcast, We're going to take a
time out. We're going to comeback with Doug Moore here on horse Racing
Northwest. It doesn't matter if youlove craps, blackjack machines or dining on
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They ran a quarter twenty one flat, the half forty three and two,

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and now they're coming down the laneand Mandatay still holds the lad.
But here comes that big gray colt, Captain Condo. He'll take command,
he'll draw away. He's Captain Condoand the lad Captain Condo and Mandateray.
That was the nineteen eighty seven Governor'shandicap at Long Acres. The great Captain

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Condo and Vince. When you saythe great, you can follow that with
Captain Condo's horse name in Washington history. Yeah, you bet. And I
was there that day and Doug,I was going to mention in addition to
that great gray horse, you wroteanother Oregon bred gray that you won some
steaks on. Do you remember thename of that one? I do.

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That was a Polynesian flyer for texIrwin. I think the renting and the
space needle the year before that onon Fall, that is correct, and
right down the middle of the racetrackat twelve to one, beating Foddy and
run Rony Run. Yeah, paidtwenty eight eighty. So yeah, those
were two really really good Washington breads. Captain Condo everyone knows thirty for seventy

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Polynesian Flyer fourteen for fifty four madethree hundred and forty six grand, So
he was a fine racehorse and Doug, you wrote him both and that was
a pretty casual introduction to Doug Mooreon this segment, Evince, but let's
let's bring him in the jockey aboardca Upton Condo and also Polynesian Flyer in

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Long Acres days and just great serviceto the Washington thoroughbred industry as a jockey,
as a steward, as the executivesecretary during some tough times, and
now a commissioner in the Washington HorseRacing Commission. Doug Moore joining us here
on horse Racing Northwest. Yeah,just really good to have you on,

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Doug, and happy Thanksgiving to youand yours. Thank you job. I
appreciate you having me on and sameto you. Yeah, well appreciate that.
And we got Doug on because there'sjust been a lot of changes in
the last couple of seasons in Washingtonracing and nationally, and there's just a
lot of organizations at a recent commissionmeeting, Doug was he's going to represent

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the WHRC at the ARCI meeting andhe is a chair elect secretary of the
RCI, which is the Association ofRacing Commissioners International, and they've been around
a long time and there's just alot of bodies now that have some power.
Well, let's find out more fromDoug on just how much power and

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what some of these organizations organizations do. Let's start with your organization, Doug,
the WHRC. Yeah. Well,the WHRC was formed in nineteen thirty
three and our authority and our missionis basically the same as it was back
then, and that is to ensureall the races are unfairly and to protect

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the participants, which includes the jockeys, exercise riders, all the occupational licensees,
the betting public is a high priority. But our highest priority is ensuring
that these horses are protected. Andwe do that by promulgating rules and they

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change as new information comes in andwe try to stay up on the latest
science to ensure that everybody is beingtreated the way they should be. Okay,
And you know we see rulings fromduring the race meet quite often on
all of those areas that you guysenforce the rules correct correct as the commission.

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The Commission hires the executive Secretary,and the Executive Secretary then hires our
racing officials, which include we havea lot of employees out there that people
don't understand are there because they're doinga lot of work behind the scenes,
but they all have an important duty. We hire the stewards, which you
know, oversee the race insurance runfairly. They also hold administrative hearings for

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rule violations and can assess civil penaltiesalong with suspensions. We have veternarians to
look at these horses to make surethat they are healthy and sound to race.
We have a paddock judge that makesure the horses are all wearing consistent
equipment because a little change of equipmentmight change that horse's style. So we

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want to make sure if a traineris putting blinkers on a horse, for
example, that the public is madeaware of that. Excuse me. We
have a clerk of scales to makesure the horses are all carrying the correct
weight. We have investigators, justa myriad of officials to oversee everything to

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make sure things are done above boardand the public has are made aware of
any changes, yep. And thereare commission meetings open to the public pretty
much every month. I think yousaid you were a skipping there's no December
meeting as usual, right. Wehold nine meetings a year. We miss
December, and we also don't holda meeting in May, and then there's

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one meeting that falls between the lateJuly early August, depending on schedules.
But there's nine meetings regular schedule meetingsa year. We do old special meetings
periodically if there's something that needs toaddress quickly. Very good. The w
HRC Washington Horse Racing Commission with thepower to run racing through the Washington State

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government. So Doug is a commissionerand he's also been involved in a lot
of other areas. And Doug justthe last two seasons HEISA the Horse Racing
Integrity and Safety Authority authorized by thefederal government and its kind of sister organization

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ii WU Horse Integrity and Welfare Unit. Those two entities have come on and
created some changes all over North Americaor the United States anyway. Just talk
about their beginnings and their power.Well, I'll fall back just lightly,

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you know, is before we hadat one point thirty six racing states that
had peramutual wagering. Everybody has theissues and problems, and we were trying
to make things as uniform as wecould. And that's where what you mentioned
briefly earlier, the Association of RacingCommission's International came in and it was a
group that was put together by allthe peramutual wagering states to meet and draft

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model rules talk about, you know, issues that everybody was dealing with.
The But the thing with the ARCI, although we have model rules and it
was recommended to states adopt those,the ARCI has no authority to force anybody

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to adopt those rules. So whenevera new model rule was adopted, someone
would have to go to each individualstate and have them go through their rule
making process to adopt these model rules. Some states adopted them all, some
did part, so it was stillkind of a patchwork regulatory scheme, but

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it wasn't that far off. Andthe medication rules to protect these horses was
all adopted based on science. Therewere studies done to ensure that if a
horse could have a small concentration ofa therapeutic medication in its system when it
ran, it was at a levelthat either a it was not performance enhancing

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or b it was not masking anyinjuries. But as so, the high
WU came about because, as Isaid before, states weren't required in the
ARC, I had no authority torequire them to adopt these model rules.

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The Jockey Club, which is thebreed registry, which is made up of
an elite group a very influential andwell off breeders in Kentucky, have been
pushing They were pushing for these modelmedication rules for years. They got Senator
miss McConnell to bring up legislation yearsago and it couldn't get a hearing because

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it was so controversial. The Statesbought it in twenty twenty in the middle
of COVID when the they did theCOVID relief Bill for the funding, this
HIMU or HISSA was created and placedin the middle of this bill that had
to pass. The goal was thatthat way every state would be running under

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the same rules. It hasn't workedout then right now, this industry is
more fractured than ever. The onlyauthority that HISSA had was if you did
not follow their rules, you couldn'tsend your simulcast across state lines other places

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to wager on it. And theywere also given the authority to assess fees
on racetracks and states to cover theirexpenses, but there was no funding package
for that, and they're not accountablefor what their fees are. They were
basically given a blank check. Feesare very expensive, so many states opted

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out and they discontinued sending their simultestsignal. And so now we have states
under Hissor rules, states not underHistory rules. And the other key point
is the Heiser rules only pertain tothurbread racing, so if it's a standardbred
or a cord horse, it's notunder higher rules. So it's really become

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a fractured industry at this point.Yeah, and you have to deal with
them as enforcing rules of Washington,so they have a little bit more power
than the WHRC. It sounds like, yeah, there rules if we're going
to simulcap cast pre empt the WashingtonState Racing Commission rules, And their rules

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cover medication and e coin safety,which you know, everything we do is
based on safety. So they haveassumed a lot of a lot of our
rules and authority and made our rulesbasically a moot point. Well, Doug
Vince here. How different are thefederal rules from what the horsemen here have

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been operating under for many, manyyears? And how do the horsemen here
did they read up on the newrules? There was a mandatory studying they
had to do to see any differencesin medication, And how has the word
gotten out on something like that?And again, how different are these rules
from what the horsemen here have beenracing on for many years? The rules

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are much much more strict, alot more reporting is required. It works
very well in some of the biggerstates than some of these large trainers that
have the resources to hire staff todo that. We have small trainers with
small stables that don't have those resources. They have to report every medication they

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give to a horse, They haveto report where that horse is at all
times, even if it goes hometo a farm. And the medication rules
themselves are much lower standards, ornot lower standards, the lower threshold levels
on these therapeutic medications. And theissue and the problem that we've had is

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that they're not based on science.They are just or if it is,
they're not being transparent on where thosestudies are. And so it's been a
real difficult transition for the horsemen andour practicing vets on the backside taking care
of these horses, to learn wherethat line is on treating these horses with

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therapeutic medications. Well, you mentionedearlier that they had the authority, he
said, to charge the race tracksfor their work, basically to have somebody
pay for their investigation and their testingand so forth. But trainers are reliable

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for some expenses as well on this, aren't they. Yeah, the hissor
requires that the track submit either thecommission has to agree to pay the fees,
which the Washing Horse Racing Commission doesnot have that kind of funding that
we could do it, So thenit falls on the track and they have

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to have a payment plan that includesthat they that they are paying part of
it and the horsemen are paying partof it. Last year it was five
hundred and twenty thousand dollars. Wewere very lucky and very grateful to the
legislature that they did give us somemoney at one time appropriation that helped cover

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those fees, so the track andthe horsemen were not responsible. The commission
gave that money back in a grantprocess to cover those fees next year after
one year, their assessment fees ofgoing from five hundred and twenty thousand to
seven hundred and twenty thousand, andwe don't have the money. I don't

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know where Emerald Downs or the horsemenare going to get it. The Emerald
Downs may have to charge a perstart fee, which the owners are having
a hard time making in beat now. And it's not going to do our
industry in the state any favors byrunning off more owners. Yeah, okay,

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Well, HEISA as come in anddone the same things that you and
your commission have done in the pastand are doing in a different way.
Just a general, uh general thoughton HEISA and what I hear a lot
from casual fans and around the barnarea is that the organization came out of

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kind of nowhere and maybe more muchmore input from animal rights people than anybody
in the horse racing industry that mighthave some experience and know that, uh,
you know some of these areas andneed need this scrutinized and this changed.

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Is that fair? That? Andyou know we're all for you mentioned
right off the top one of thefirst things you said, protecting the horses
and protecting insure fair racing, sothat has always been a goal. Is
HESA just come in and ignored alot of the things in the past that
even worked. I believe they have. I believe that, as I said,

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the ARCI model rules and the Washingtonmedication rules were based on science and
studies. I don't know that theanimal rights activists have an active seat on
the HESA board, that I dobelieve they have a lot of influence.
And this is not the commission standpoint, my personal standpoint that some of these

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rules are set more for appearance thanin the best interest of the horse.
Okay and Doug, you mentioned thatif the hammer that HAISA has is they
can restrict out of state simulcasting fora track, which of course is a
huge portion of most tracks. HandleWhat has happened. Are there some states

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that are defying HEISA and what whatwould they go through if they do well?
Currently there are numerous states that aresimply did not sign an agreement with
ISSA or foresized rules because the assessmentfees did not pencil out at the bottom

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line to the to what they wereactually making on their sending their signal out.
You know, their states like Wyomingand Idaho and Oregon that they can
bring other tracks in, they can'tsend there theirs out. So it made
better a business, a better businessplan, and financial sense to just not
comply with ISSA. There is severalcourt cases pending, UH, and the

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three major states that are racing thatare not under the Heiser rules are Texas,
Louisiana, and West Virginia because theyhave filed lawsuits on the constitutionality of
turning over regulatory authority to a privateentity. And from all appearances, this

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may take you know, the court'smove slow, may take a couple of
years, but I ultimately the thoughtis that this will end up being decided
by the Supreme Court whether HEISA isconstitutional or not. Okay, there's there's
the end goal, and it couldbe as Doug just mentioned, maybe up
to two years. The way courtsmove and priorities. Uh, you're going

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to attend to an ar CI meetingearly next year. What are you guys
going to talk about there? Well, HEISA is always a high priority,
but the arc I still has alot of other duties. Okay, you
know they work on on wagering poolsand integrity and right now as everything else.

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So we're looking at cybersecurity, especiallydealing with the advanced positive wagering companies.
But HEISA is always at the forefront, and quite frankly, arc I
tried to work with HAISA when itwas first UH created that we tried to

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offer our years of expertise in regulatorywork, and we were ignored. And
at this point, HEISA does notcooperate with ARCI. We would we would
be more than happy to work withhim to try to make this better for
everybody, and that will be oneof our goals again at the meeting this
spring. Okay, And of course, another thing that we were first introduced

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to HAISA was the jockey whip rule, which of course affected every race.
Well, what I didn't like aboutthat, Doug, was we're our jockeys
here had to change right in midstream, right during the middle of a meat,
which is asking a lot. Ithought of a writer, But it
is federal legislation. You got todeal with it. But yeah, that's
got to be tough on a jockeywho's asked to change his manner writing overnight.

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It seems right, It seems likethere could have been a little bit
Yeah, I mean, a jockeygets in a habit and I will say,
you know, back in knock onmy day, the whip was probably
overused. But to go to anarbitrary number that they pulled out of thin

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air, that six strikes is it? And if you go one over that
it's a you know, it's ahefty penalty to the jockey. And there
was no grace period. Yes,for our jockeys running for minimal purses.
It was a I think a twohundred and fifty dollars fine could have been
a five hundred dollars fine and aone day suspension, which was the exact

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same penalty they were giving a jockeyriding at Belmont Park or Churchill Downs.
I argued against that and sent incomments numerous times that you know that it
is not a consistent penalty to finda jockey at Emerald Downs the same as
you're finding a jockey at Churchill Downs. Most definitely they are now they have

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proposed rules of the FTC who askedto prove the rules of a viprecated penalty
system where the fine will be basedon the per structure. So you know
they are listening to some extent.It just takes some time to get things
through and and it bears repeating,Doug, the writing crop or the whips
that the writers used today are alittle different from what they were in your

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day. They're more more or lesspoppers now that really. Yeah, they
are their cylindrical foam, there's nothingsolid at the end. They make more
noise than they than they even sting. Yeah, the protection of the horses
has gotten so much better. Uh. And and some of it was warranted,

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some of this strike count issue.Like I said, they pulled the
number six out of this as anarbitrary number. Nobody could come up with
a reason why that was the rightnumber. Yeah, Yeah, and uh
and only the you know, thelead time on that, as we just
mentioned, you could have said thiswill incorporate on January first, twenty twenty

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four, or even twenty twenty three, but no, it was took effect
right away and just not a lotof time to adjust. So right,
and the horsemen were in the sameboat, Joe. When the medication rules
changed. That was May twenty second, where we'd been running three weeks already.
Yeah, and then all of asudden the medication rules changed. When

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they were fairly dramatic changes, soyou know they there's not sometimes I think
there's not a lot of thoughts putinto it. Okay, well, geez,
that a lot of organizations and youknow, some good work throughout the
years, and now dealing with afederal authority has cast some changes for Doug

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Moore and the Washington Commissioners, BobLopez, doctor Claude Riegel, all dealing
with that, which they will continueto do. And Doug's involved in so
many other areas. Again with theRCI at meeting and the rm TC,
the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium,just put that one out there quickly.

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They do their job too, andthen they're also just a recommendory agency.
Yeah, the RMTC. That fallsback to where I mentioned that the RCI
set the medication thresholds and medication rulesfor the horses. It was created in

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two thousand and one. It's atthe request of the ARCI, and it's
made up of regulatory vats, practicingvats, lab directors and chemists and they
all get together and look at thestudies and their goal is the same as
everybody else's, to protect the horse. But they were the ones that would
look at the studies and come upwith the appropriate threshold levels. They are

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still in operation. As I said, we still have states not running under
ar Ora and other breeds, sothey are still active and we rely on
them even today to give us goodguidance on setting these rules. Very good.
Well, thanks so much Doug forthe information. As we head into

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another year. We're setting for ourstart on May fourth, a lot to
do before then, and a lotof going back and forth from you and
the Commission with all these agencies,and let's let's hope for the best for
all. That's a general statement.Put that's definitely Hey Doug, happy holidays

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once again, and have a goodrest of the year, and we'll we'll
speak soon. Thanks for joining us, no problem. Same to you,
Joe and Vince. You guys havenice, nice holidays. Thank you.
Doug Moore, commissioner in the WashingtonHorse Racing Commission. He has seen a
lot of changes in recent years andhe's dealing with it, as we just

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heard from Doug, so best tohim. And again, those Commission meetings
are available to the public if you'dlike to sit in on one. Most
of them are held at Emerald DownsNow and you can go to the WHRC
website and find out the Commission's meetingschedule. Okay, up at Emerald Downs,

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you can get a forty nine dollarsseason pass for twenty twenty four fifty
five days of racing. You cando that math pretty easily. Okay,
that is less than a buck aday for admission, and that works out
pretty good. Vince. That's agood deal. Forty nine dollars for a
season pass. Those are available throughDecember thirty first. That's a great deal,
it is. And Dancing at theDowns next edition is Saturday, December

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twenty third, the day before ChristmasEve, So Saturday the twenty third evening
Dancing at the Downs. It's goingto be a Rolling Stones cover group.
They got a few songs to choosefrom for their playlist. They're still going.
I can't believe it. Got anothertour scheduled for National Tour, North
American Tour, maybe in twenty twentyfour, the Real Stones. Okay,

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we're going to take a time out, come back with much more. Our
third segment here on horse racing NorthwestMucos. It doesn't matter if you love
craps, blackjack machines, or diningon the finest Asian, American and Salis
cuisines. It doesn't matter what youdo or where you're coming from Mucos what

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you do is all at Muckleshoe,an easy drive from wherever you are.
All roads lead to Muckleshoe. Mucosuitquarter mile ago and Raisa Stanza has the
late and in second from far back, here comes Harmony Crak. It's Raisa

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Stanza on a Harmony Creek under Corralstrives on the outside, Harmony Creek takes
the lead. The Washington bred outthere by one raise, stands up,
fights back on the inside. It'sHarmony Creek. That was Harmony Creek winning
the nineteen eighty nine Long Acre's Derby. Great victory for trainer Bill to Lett.

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He was owned by Brian Mayer.And I can't remember who rode that
horse right now. Jose Corrallis rodeHarmony Creek. Nice call, tremendous victory.
Harmony Creek followed that up with athird in the Long Acres Mile,
Yes he did, and that wasa really good U Nike eight of nine

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mile with a horse called Simply Majestic, who was a back to back winter
Harmony Creek really good. And thenof course our guest John Parker, he
won the the Gods seen futurity withBill Tillette with a nice horse called gold
Rush Dancer, and that's our guestright now to let passing away. Earlier
this week, at the age ofninety, Bill trained Harmony Creek, one

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of just before we get John on. That was one of the great training
feats in long Acre's history because thathorse hadn't run for three months and he
got him to go a mile inthree sixteenth and win he did. And
and the week exactly a week beforethe race, he worked a mile before
the races, and so it waslike twenty five minutes for the races.
I was standing right at the rail, and you know, I didn't know

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a lot about workouts then, butboy, that sure looked good because he
worked a mile and he was agalloped out strong. Corrals was up,
and I made up my mind rightthen. I was betting on him then.
But then a week happened and Ichanged. I didn't I didn't mean
I didn't bet on it. Iknow you're right, great training job.
I think he was about five toone. John Parker employed Bill Tillett as

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his trainer for several seasons here atEmerald Downs. John Parker has won five
of our last eight train owner titles, so that has moved him into second
place all time, and wins atEmerald Downs a huge part of this track's
history, especially the last eight toten years. John Parker joining us here
on horse Racing Northwest. John,Welcome and happy Thanksgiving to you and your

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family. That's nice for you tosay that, thanks again, you bet.
Yeah. I remember Bill at LongAnchors. That guy, he's such
an awesome guy. He was animportant guy because he always wore that hat
in those nice boots mm hm atthe Long Acre days when I was a

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teenager, and I knew this guywas a standout trainer just the way he
appeared, and he was always inthe winter circle too, and then he
had that big horse, like yousaid, how many Creek. But I
got to know him on the backsideduring training with when I had Kazmirsky and

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Cast and him would always hang outand visit along with George Cluttles, and
so I took a liking to Bill. And then at that time also Candy
was still doing my marrors, soI got to know him a little bit
on that part of it too.Sure, but uh no, I wanted
a big guy at the time totrain my horses, and so I gave

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Bill the role. I think Igave him about seven or eight of them,
and uh, obviously the best onewas a gold Rush Dancer, and
he was a standout when he wasa year lead. And then the funny
thing is, and Bill started workingthat horse, he would call me up

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as a John, John down,He's like plintstone, this hard. Just
keep speak, just keep going.He's going to be a fast horse.
He's a Plintstone. And you know, and didn't Donna to let at one
point tell you John, We've gota Steaks winner for you. Finally did
he did say that, and hewon the Gottstein and that John, as

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you well know, that was theseason that Barkley was three for three as
a two year old and mock oneRules was four for four as a two
year old. There wasn't a lotof wins left out there, but gold
Rush Dancer won two races, includingthe Gottstein Futurity. So what a season

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twenty fifteen for two year olds atEmerald Downs and you got the big one,
the Gottstein with you. Well,the thing was there was we Frank
did not decide what to do withMark One, and we weren't deciding what
we're gonna do with gold Rush becausethere was another stake race that day.
Yeah, and either that sprint orthe two turn race. And luckly mack

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One went in the sprint, wewent in the two turn race. Yeah
we won that. But hats offthe Bill to let that guy had an
eye. That guy was good.I mean he was. I mean that
guy would call me all the timeand talk and then ask me questions.
And he's going to be missed atthat racetrack. I mean he has been
missed since he retired. Good guy. Yeah. And all the good food

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that Donna brought to the track andto the people, and he was a
good cook, right, Bill orDonna I brought all kinds of good stuff
and deserts galore. She was ahuge part of his operation. She was
there most days and just very wellby day. Yeah, she was there
every day. And their kids,of course, David was a great hand

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ponying horses and assistant trainer, andDarryl worked around the barn a lot,
and their daughter also just Joe.The whole family were good people, good
horseman. Bill taught him right,I mean they were good, good horsemen,
all of them. Yeah. Yeah, we missed David around here,
especially he took a job for theForest Service in Alaska about gosh, it's

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got to be about ten years agonow. But I always liked talking with
David as well. And Bill hadthe history and he had that eye.
He was, I don't know,more of a serious guy. You might
have seen a different you might haveseen a different size of a side of
him being having a closer relationship.But you said he was, said he
was having a quiet guy. Butboy, I was. We went to

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the sale a couple of times.You picked me out a couple of decent
ones that were all right, yeah, good guy, good good family,
so all the way around. Yeah, yeah, just uh, you know,
passing here in Washington. He camehere in the late sixties and just
a huge part of the Long Acrez era and right through the Emerald Downs

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and Vince here, you Vince,you always took an extra look at Bill
to Let horses, especially the youngones. You commented to me that so
many times, I'm going to takea look at this to Let horse here.
Yeah. He was a sharp horseman, Yeah he was. And the
thing with him is he could win. Uh, he didn't really have a
speak as good at to me inall categories. If he gave him a

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good horse, he knew what todo with it. If you gave him
a claimer, he'd find the rightspot for it, and he'd figure out
a young horse what it what itcould and couldn't do, and he'd have
him properly spotted. He was justa good horseman. And like John said,
I didn't know him as well asmaybe you do, but I always
enjoyed visiting with Bill. He alwaysmade you feel welcome at the barn.
He had interesting question yeah, andjust a nice guy and a very competent

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horseman. And uh yeah another loss. Yeah, yes, but do you
remember a horse named to King Pete? Right? Sure? You bet Visetti
bradhorse horse and press and boyd Ithink two or three times. And each
time I claimed him, Bill wouldgive me the Indian chant. So,
yeah, that was good. Wehad fun with that horse. That horse

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won you some races with Bill,Oh yeah, he was fast. Another
claim to fame. Bill Tolette hasthe highest two dollars winter in roll Down's
history, making fire a hundred fiftythree dollars on May twenty fifteen, yeah,
and I think I know, Donnabet that horse. It's either three
across or five across. I thinkit was five across and she that adds
up fast at those Yeah. Yeah, the highest two dollars winner, shoot

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and me. Yeah. Gold RushDancer was a real, real highlight for
him winning the Gottstein in that yearwith all those good two year olds.
It just was you had to fixyour spots and things worked out right there
because you're right. Mark one ruleswon the two year old sprint stake that
day to go four for four.And then you guys met two years later

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in the mile. Van Belboir trainedgold Rush Dancer after having that tremendous California
three year Old of the Year seasonin twenty sixteen for gold Rush Dancer,
and you brought him up and youbeat mak one in the mile. He
ran second to you. Yeah,and Jean was happy that day. John
told anyone who would listen that weekthat that horse was winning the mile and

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he won it easily. And now, oh he looks sharp off the van,
You look sharp in the peddock.I was confident. Hey, so
Van had me pumped. You knowI didn't. I didn't send him with
Bill Arizona that year because he wasa calbrid and I wanted to go down
to California. Were running down there, and boy, did I make the

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right move, didn't I? Ohmy gosh. You know, that's just
one of those decisions you have tomake as an owner. And again he
was named California three year Old ofthe Year. In twenty sixteen, he
won stakes at Golden Gate, SantaAnita and del Mar or Golden Gate,
you wanted three, I wanted delMar. In fact, I represented john

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Remember Johnny go to the Winter Circleif he wins that day, and he
wanted fourteen to one at Delmar.Went wire to wire with Levi and Proud
up and that was a great dayfor me, thirteen or fourteen, fourteen
to one, Yeah, and heopened up three around the turn. I'm
thinking, Wow, this horse isreally running, and I think this a
couple filled the model horses. We'rechasing him pretty hard to the wire,

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but he showed he was a goodhorse. He dug in and he got
the money and that was probably onehundred. It might have been the real
good deal or one of those states, a real good deal. Yeah,
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,and I asked Van in the winter Circle,
well, well it's three or one. Don't you bring him up for
the mine? I said nope,next year. So yeah, well and
that worked out too. So goldRush Dancer a real highlight. And actually,

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you know there's another thing. GoldRush Answer has the highest average earnings
per start of any horse in EmeraldDown's history, with five or more starts.
He's on that list. And he'sa sire now I think he's he's
up there at Eldorado Farms and enumClaw correct, No, oh, sorry
about that? Yeah, okay,very good. She's got him and her

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new stallion alternation, so some actionthere, and Buckley and also an enom
Claw Coast Guarden Barkley of course atEl Dorado. I got one more question
for John, John, are wegoing to see some work with those gold
Rush Dancer two year olds here?In twenty twenty four? That was the
year I sent him east. SoI don't have any two year old?

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I got no yearlings? Okay,so I don't have. I got a
couple. Well, the ones we'veseen can run a little bit. He's
still only ten years old, sohe's got some time I can't keep track
of all these horses, so Idon't know. I got some coming.

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Yeah, I see, I seeyou've got some action at Parks, and
you got maybe a couple with JustinEvans at Delta Downs as well. I
got a few Hoopert Louisiana, andI got like a twelve at Parks.
There's like five two year old runningnext week, so see what happens.
That is a lot of action aswe Those will come back to Seattle next
spring. Excellent. Good to hearthat. Yeah, well, we won't

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have Bill to Lett. He didretire a couple of years ago, but
he lived a great long life andand him with his family involved in Washington
racing, deserved some attention and recognition. And we'll keep our eye out for
any other services. But Bill.A real fixture and success in Washington racing

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is John Well. You know,he hits top of the list of all
best trainers that ever lived down thereand trained on that place, including the
Winkers. He was there. It'sthe guy. Very good Well, John,
thanks for joining us so much,and again, Happy Thanksgiving, Happy
holidays. Being an owner in yourcategory is a full time job. Again,

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five two year olds scheduled to runat Parks over the next several days,
so a lot of action there andgood luck to you man and thanks
Bud. Great to have you onye Thanks John for joining us. Always
good to see at the track bothyea, all right, I like to
visit Vince upstairs, so that's nice. Always welcome. You know a lot

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of people like to see you atthe track as well, so interior generosity.
Thanks John again, Welcome, happyholidays. Thank you John Parker joining
us here on horse racing Northwest andVince. I was going to mention Harmony
Creek third in the mile after winningthat memorable derby. He's the most recent

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three year old to place in themile other than when you count just Emerald
Downs and Long Acres for the children. Actually ran third at Yakama in ninety
three for Doris Harwood. But HarmonyCreek was a really fine horse heat he
won those two sprint steaks and thenjust a little issue he had three months

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off bill to what again brought himback to that mile on the three sixteenth
race on works and he he beatRaisa Stanza in there was that? Was
that a Weddingham horse? I can'tremember. I can't remember I had went
in there. I think that mighthave been a Jay Robbins horse and it
was a good I think he mighthave been owned by Jack Kent Cook,
very nice horse. And then anotherhorse Bill had that people don't talk about

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a lot because he had an abbreviatedcareer was Table Express, the eighty four
Gottstein winner. He was fast,fast, fast, and I think he
went four for four lifetime, neverlost. I think he might have boat
attendant and they retired him and heactually became a stud and had a few
winners, I believe as a sstallion. Yeah he did. He had
some runners here. So Bill Tillettleaving us at the age of ninety,

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and we did have another passing inthe industry as well. So many backstretch
workers over the last five decades.Remember Guy Winchester, Walter. Guy Winchester
passed away at the age of seventytwo, just a couple weeks ago.
He was born in the Magnolia area, went to Chief Self High School,

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just found his way to the racetrackand he used to He got a horse
by the name of ten Stars whowas a race horse. His parents had
purchased that horse just to become horseowners at Long Acres, and he'd ride
that horse in the off season upand down hills and talking with Howard Belvoir,
he was an outstanding gallop boy inthe early seventies. Howard Belvoir himself

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galloped and worked Red Eye Express mostevery morning, but he said Guy Winchester
was the only other fellow that hewould let get on Red Eye Express in
the morning. Who did win RedEye one I believe it was eight sprint
steaks in Long Acres times red EeExpress. So one of his relatives mentioned

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that, you know, he lovedanimals, and the quote was, I've
never known a bad person who lovedanimals. Anybody that loves animals, you
know, has got a place forpeople as well. And Guy passed away
at age seventy two. He didtrain quite a bit here in the past
and all around the Northwest. Hislast official starters as a trainer were in

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twenty eighteen. And hey, he'sgoing to be missed by his family,
his son Chris and his wife Robin. So our condolences to the Winchester family
as well. Passing earlier this month. Okay, just to complete our show

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as we usually do, sports shorts. I was just going to go and
comment on the Carissa Thompson situation innational broadcasting. She of course a native
of this Northwest, went to InglemoreHigh School, and she just came out
on a podcast last week and mentionedthat she would just make up a few

(01:01:45):
things for her halftime interview on camerasegments when she was on the field.
And you know, that's just reallya no known broadcasting I've done plenty of
interviews and relayed some information, butnever really felt the need to do that
at all. You know, itjust should be against your your DNA as

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a broadcaster. And the fact thatshe admitted it's a little funny too.
You know, it might have happeneda few years ago because she doesn't do
those games anymore. She's a studiogal. But well, you know,
she's taken a lot of backlash fromher colleague. I think one of the
reasons she might have done it becauseshe was on a podcast with someone else
who did that job, Aaron Andrews, and they are think kind of doing,

(01:02:30):
oh it's out, how that cameout? Well? I think so
yeah, you know, because theycould relate to each other having to do
that or and I think that's howit came out. But apparently she had
done it once before. I mentionedthat in the past, and I'm with
you, I don't. I don'tlike that, And yeah, that's that's
crossing a line. There, areal strong journalistic line of credibility. So

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Carissa currently we see her on Sundaymornings on the Fox NFL pregame stuff.
I'm not sure what else she does, but yeah, her colleagues have come
out pretty much all against that,and not surprisingly on that account. Nce,
how about a sports short for you. I got one sports real sports

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short and then one horse racing short. Okay, how many times was the
great Babe Ruth named MVP in hiscareer? Well, since you asked that
question, I know it's low exactly, so I'll just say twice once once
nineteen twenty three, and we allknow the nineteen twenty seven season where he

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had sixty or whatever. But Ijust found that the heck got MVP that
year. I think it might havebeen Garrig yes, so, but yeah,
that kind of surprised me. Oneof the old time greats because he
was a top pitcher before he startedhitting all those horrorract with the Red Sox.
Before he got traded to the Yankees. Okay, and then a short
horse racing one we've talked before that, you know, the California and at

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Hollywood Park was a nice race forWashington breads over the years, right,
travel Orb and Mustard Plaster and wasit Biggs, Yeah, all won the
race in the sixties. Well,it's that was. California was the traditional
last stepping stone to the Hollywood GoldCup, the traditional stepping stone to the
Sanita Handicap. The big Cap wasthe San Antonio Handicap, and a couple

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of Oregon breds won that race,Praise J in nineteen sixty nine and Mile
Land in nineteen forty one. Yeah, Praise J went on to win the
Mile that year. Yeah, oneof the great Oregon Breads of all time.
He really dominated that summer at LongAcres nineteen sixteen. Because we mentioned
Polynesian Flyer, who was an Oregonbred or here in the show too,
Okay, Yeah, that's right.He was an Oregon bread full brother of

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Lark's legacy who was another wind machine. Us and Doug brought up Texter when
Alex t Irwin year no whatever cameof texts. He was an affable,
Yeah, fella, another guy who'dsport a cowboy hat now and then and
boots. I don't someone said hewent back east to train or no.
I don't know. I don't know. But Polynesian Flyer was certainly a really

(01:05:10):
good horse. He ran second inthe Long Acres derby Flying Lark and Dolphin
Dancer was the breeding there in Lark'slegacy and Polynesian Flyer. Okay, well,
just a lot of great action onthe simulcast world. I don't have
any selections for this weekend myself,but certainly we'll be paying attention with some

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great racing around the country. Iknow Domar's got the turf Festival. I
believe the old Hollywood Park turf Festivalthat migrated south. That'll be fun to
watch a lot of big steaks atChurchill on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and
probably Saturday as well. Again.Fairgrounds is open, Tampa is open,
and Delta is open Alta. It'sgot some Washington influence this year, so

(01:06:00):
get your handicap and going for thosetracks. Emerald Downs opened seven days a
week for full card simulcasting trivia.We had a crazy question last time,
how many sires of Breeders Cup runnershave had progeny, have their progeny,
their sons or daughters earned PERSE moneyin the Breeder's Cup, so you know,

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Into Mischiefs had all kinds of Breeders'Cup winners. That's one sire.
But how many sires runners have earnedPERSE money and any Breeders Cup race over
the last thirty nine years? Wedidn't count this year. There were three
hundred and eighty eight races since nineteeneighty four, and I got a couple
queries around the office. You know, they were really low. It's just

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a crazy number. I don't evenknow what I would have said, but
the answer is eight hundred and twentytwo. Oh boy, eight hundred and
twenty two sires have earned PERSE moneyfrom their sons or daughters and Breeders' Cup
races. Going into this year,I doubt anyone got there. I didn't
get any answers on it. EvenRuss there was Yeah, no, Russ
didn't or Michael or nobody tried it. Okay. Our newest question a horse

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called My Harbor's Dream. He's afour year old son of Harbor the Gold.
He's a Washington bread He has madelike one hundred and twenty three grand
this year, starting in southern calHe's won at Santa Anita, Delaware,
and I believe Aqueduct this year.So he's had a really good year.
And he just got claimed in lateSeptember for sixty two thousand, five hundred

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dollars. Richard Dutrow claimed him outof a race at Aqueduct in late September.
My Harbor's Dream is his name.He's number two in earnings among Washington
breads, again behind Szabra Cadabra,another son of Harbor the Gold. So
the question is what's the most moneyever paid for a Washington bread in a
claim? The highest claim in Washingtonhistory. Send your answers to trivia at

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emeraldowns dot com. And we knowit's not Snippledoo's sixty thousand at Long Acres,
which is the state record still.Vince and Marion Smith claimed him for
Robert Reesoft, the owner, andthat horse went on a terror winning the
mile that year, and a bunchof other ones set a state record for

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earnings in one season, so thatsixty grand was well spent. We've got
a lot of fifty thousand dollars claimshere at Emerald Downs. But what's the
record claim for a Washington Bred horse? Trivia at Emeraldowns dot com. Hey,
happy holidays once again. If you'recoming out to Emerald Downs on Thursday
Thanksgiving, we do have a greatturkey dinner at Quick Picks for seventeen fifty

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includes all them Turkey Thanksgiving fixings includingdessert. So thanks to our guest Doug
Moore and John Parker, and we'lldo this again in a few weeks.
Vince sounds good. Happy holidays toall, Thanks for listening to horse Racing Northwest