August 24, 2024 • 54 mins
Author Nicholas Meyer joins Hy and Christopher to talk about his new book Sherlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell.
Meyer is also a famed Hollywood director. For sci-fi fans, he is best known as the director of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, often considered the greatest Star Trek movie ever made. He tells us the story of the iconic movie’s creation later in the program.
We begin by talking Sherlock Holmes lore, and how he started writing about the great detective in his book The Seven Percent Solution, whose movie version Meyer both wrote the screenplay and directed.
You can meet the author in person! Nicholas Meyer is coming to the Garden District Book Shop at 6 PM on Tuesday, September 3. Go to GardenDistrictBookshop.com to reserve your space or call the bookstore at (504) 895-2266.
Meyer is also a famed Hollywood director. For sci-fi fans, he is best known as the director of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, often considered the greatest Star Trek movie ever made. He tells us the story of the iconic movie’s creation later in the program.
We begin by talking Sherlock Holmes lore, and how he started writing about the great detective in his book The Seven Percent Solution, whose movie version Meyer both wrote the screenplay and directed.
You can meet the author in person! Nicholas Meyer is coming to the Garden District Book Shop at 6 PM on Tuesday, September 3. Go to GardenDistrictBookshop.com to reserve your space or call the bookstore at (504) 895-2266.
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Speaker 5 (01:06):
Christopher Tidmore, your roving reporter, resident radical moderate, Associate editor
of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And Hi, we got a fantastic show today because we
have a special guest, a director of over thirty films,
a legend in the entertainment business, a truly living legend
and the Sherlock Holmes expert in the world on his
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seventh book, introduce our special guest for us.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Thank you Christopher, and thank you Nicholas Meyer for being
with us. Your record is amazing. I think you've had
eleven or maybe more very prestigious awards, and you've I
think you've actually they were nominations or ones you won.
I think you wonce five of them, you know, Academy
Awards and mets, all those things. And I was studying
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up on your record, and I mean, you've had a
very long and prolific literary career. It's absolutely amazing you've gone.
You've done all all the mediums uh, television movies of course, scriptwriting,
uh and book novels and whatnot, short stories, And I
love your I love the way you've handled Charlotte Colms
and he's one of my favorite guys. I mean, they're
over twenty five thousand works that are follow up on
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the original Charlotte coms Uthocondoll, who wrote four books and
about fifty six short stories, and from that has produced
an entire uh pantheon of literal literary accomplishment. And and
you're certainly playing a major role in that. And uh,
I can't wait to hear your story and you know
which you've done with short and also maybe to talk
a little sci fi spy stuff because you do it
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all comedy. It's amazing the variety that you have in
your literary expression. So I guess, without further ado in
New Orleans, which one was that?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Which one?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
It's called Bendetta?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yes, I saw that. I saw that. There's another movie
called Viva Vendetta. I thought it was that one, but yeah,
this was. It was about when the the the Italians,
the mafia Old Hennessy and the results of that and
the hanging, the lunchings of the Italian mob and all
that stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's amazing, amazing story.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
It is an amazing story. It's not a very happy one,
but uh.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, it's not many tragedies in that store.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
For those who joining For those who's joining us, folks.
Nicholas Meyer a well known Hollywood director and is coming
is joining us, but he's talking about his new book,
Charlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell. And for those
that don't know this, Nicholas Meyer is considered the foremost
Sherlock Holmes author he's been proved by the to write
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by the Conan Doyle Estate.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Wow, he is, he is.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
He's actually the official person. And I've got to tell
you that Nick has been kind enough to let me
use his actual name Nick, when I had known of
Nicholas Meyer as the director. Of course, you know I'm
a Star Trek fan, so of course you are. We
bow before the director, Star Trek two, The Wrath of
Khan and Star Trek Section.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, Christopher, you know we.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Could do perhaps we could canonize Nick and from now
we call him Saint Nick.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Right, very good, But.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Nick, I have to go hard to recognize.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
But Nick, I do. I do have a situation where
I wanted to say that I actually discovered you, not
through any connection to science fiction, but because of the
way a lot of people do your your the first
book in your your Sharlock Holms series, The Seven Percent Solution,
I picked up. And for those that do not, or
Sharlock Holmes fans or mystery fans in general, this book
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is exceptional. It's the kickoff, and it's a reinterpretation of
the Rock and back Falls situation with moriority, and it
deals with areas. It not only gets into the Sharlock
holmbs's head, but his addictions and what happens in those
mystery years that in the subsequent books, and so if
you could set us up to how you became. And
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this is not an exaggeration when I say this is
a statement that holmesy and society has said. The foremost
Sherlock Holmes author since Conan Doyle was one of the quotes,
how to did you become this expert on Shrlock Holmes?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Now in your seventh book, Lucky.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
I guess when I was, and I, you know, I
have to have a little caveator foremost anything, but I
can tell you, you know, specific facts insofar as my
memory serves me. I believe that I was given the
complete Sherlock Holmes stories to sixty for the Boor novellas,
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the fifty six short stories by my dad when I
was about eleven years old. There's a reason, I think
why it's called an impressionable age. I think that childhood
experiences with people and events and scenes tend to imprint
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themselves the most lastingly and are cherished the longest. I
read these stories, you know, I just album is my
recollection and then got sort of blue when I realized
there weren't anymore. I'm not first person, by a long
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shot who decided to write my own. This is an
old story and it doesn't just apply to Sherlock. I mean,
the Odyssey could be described as a fanboy sequel. So
when I was in high school, having read these stories,
and another thing that sort of came into the mix
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was people saying, oh, your old man's a shrink. Is
he a Freudian? And I didn't know, so I asked
my father, I said, Pop, are you a Freudian? And
he said, well, it's a kind of silly question. And
I said, why is that? And he said, because it's
no more possible to discuss the history of psychoanalysis and
not begin with Freud. Then it is to discuss the
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history of the discovery of America by Europeans and not
start with Columbus or the Vikings, take your pick. But
to suppose that nothing has happened since the Viking is
to be pretty rigidy. Doctor, He said, when a person
comes to see me, I listen to what they say,
I listen to how they say it. I'm especially curious,
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say are they on time with their body languages? I
am in short searching for clues from them as to
why they are not. And I said, gee, Pop, that
sounds like detective work. And he thought about that. He said, well,
I guess it is kind of like detective work. And
in a flash, I suddenly knew who my father had
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always reminded me. And it was that same Sherlock Holme
whose stories he had given me to read when I
was at that impressionable age. And so at that point,
maybe I'm thirteen, maybe I'm fourteen, maybe I'm fifteen. Now
I start wondering how much Arthur Conan Doyle knew about
writing Sigmund for ad And for that matter, what did
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Sigmund Freud know about Arthur and the first thing? And
they both died in the same town within nine years
of each plot. And then Holmes is a cocaine addict,
so for Sigmund Freud, and Freud had become involved with
cocaine when he collaborated on a paper written by two ophthalmologists,
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Kerningstein and Kohler, on the uses of cocaine as an
anesthetic during eye surgery. And damned if Arthur Conan Doyle
didn't study ophthalmology. Good wow, Vienna and then later you
find out that Freud's favorite bedtime was Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer by
any means, but even with my brain, over the next
ten years, I'm sort of mulling all this. And sometimes
in my twenties, I've moved from New York to California
to seek my fortune in the movie business.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
And you're not doing anything important like directing the most
watched movie and television history the day after or anything
like that. You're not busy with anything whatsoever during this period.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
No, I didn't. Way later, folks, I was just scratching
out a living. I was actually sort of building model
boats for people out of plastic kits. Slow start, but
I started writing some television movies and then when't you
know what, the writers' guilds went on strike and weren't
allowed to write the scripts. Oh boy, and that my
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girlfriend said, well, now you can write that Sigmund Freud
Sherlock Holmes book you mumbling about, And she was right.
I didn't have anything else to do except walk up
a picket, walk up and down, you know, picketing every
day for three hours. And so that's when I wrote
what became the seven percent Solution?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And for those just joining us, Nicholas Meyer, well known
Hollywood director, a director of multiple movies for Star Trek fans,
the probably the two best of all the Star Trek movies.
But also he is well known as a sciences as
the foremost Sherlock Holmes author and the seven Percent. His
new book is going to be premiered at the Garden
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District book Shop on September third, Hell. Chris Sherlock Holmes
and the Telegram from Hell is the new book, the
first book seven Percent Solution. It captured my imagination, Nicholas Meyer,
because you're basically retelling the story of Moriarty and I
don't want to go into too much of the plot,
but essentially you're explaining why Holmes disappeared and this what
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is the seven percent solution? And it has to do
with a certain cocaine.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
If I'm not mistaken, he took a seven percent amount
of cocaine and then correct, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Yes I didn't. And this is not my seat. This
is in the very second Sherlock Holmes ella of Arthur
Conan Doyle, the sign of before he specifies that with
thin nervous fingers Holmes opens a fine Moroccan case, pulls
out a syringe and starts shooting up. And Watson is
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very far in advance of medical opinion when he decries
this practice as being loathsome and danger. Watson's a doctor.
We should also remember that that cocaine was eagle right,
So Holmes wasn't really breaking a law, was just doing
something that his roommate and medical led thought was not
a good idea.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
In fact, back then, I don't think there were there
were any illegal drugs from what I remember. And by
the way, a little question, I'm sure you know why
did Watson walk with a limp?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Watson was wounded in the Second Afghan War at the
Battle of Maiwan.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Right, good, you get an a By the way, I
know you knew that. I want everybody to hear that
because people really don't want a lot to me because
I had two deployments to a bullet.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
He was rescued by his orderly murray, Wow, who threw
him over his shoulder? I mean, my wand was a
terrible battle.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I remember he was a slaughter and it was.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And that's one thing. A lot of the renditions, and
I'm glad in all of your books, Nicholas Meyer, you
always perceive Watson to be what he is, which is
a wounded but highly highly trained, highly thought of soldier.
I mean, he's a military doctor, but he was incredibly trained.
Some of the renditions of John Watson in the twentieth
century television and movie renditions do not really give credit
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to the fact that this was a very well trained,
very dangerous soldier and a very perceptive man. And you
talk about his own military capabilities being something that he's
recognizing the path that Holmes has gone into into almost illusion,
and he's recognizing it based on many of his know
only medical experiences, but his military experiences. And I thought
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that was very powerful in Seven Percent of Life.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
When I wrote the novel The Seventh Solution, and also
when I worked on the movie script of the of
the book, I think I was prompted to write my
novel as a kind of correct to a lot of
home notations that I couldn't stand. I never there's very
Fushrolock Holmes movie that I could bear to sit through.
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And one of the things that made me crazy was
portraying Watson as a jerk, because I never understood why
it wants to hang out with an.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Idiot, great thought, yeah, and he had almost no friend,
So why did he picked this one man for his close,
confident on best buddy he was.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Holmes was very vain about his gifts, and I think
if he wanted the admiration of somebody, it was a
regular man, not a sub Again, I never stood the
relation has frequently depicted in the movies Not All You
Know and the Peter Cushing Hound of the Baskervilles. I
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think it's Andre Morelos. Watson does a very good journey. Yeah,
but I never understood Nigel Bruce as Wasson. That just
didn't track for me at all, and it didn't meem
like the guy whose narrative voice get when you read
the original stories. And I think in this regard, I
consider myself very much a purist. I like my Holmes
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the way Doyle wrote it, and I may not succeed,
but I am always trying to imitate the way Doyle
wrote and not sort of updated or bowdlerized. I wanted
I take my homes straight.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Joining us is Nicholas Meyer. He is, of course the
author of Shawack Holmes and The Telegraph from Hell. That
will be premiering the books making its premiere at the
Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven Pritannia on
September three. Nicholas Meyer will be in attendance to sign books,
talk about Shawack Holmes and the new novel. And it's
a o'clock on the third, that's the day after Labor Day,
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so folks, we hope you can join us. It's open
to the public. You can find out more at the
Garden District Bookshop, dot com and Nicholas Meyer. The seven
Percent Solution was interesting because it then led into a
whole new series of books. The follow up book, of Course,
which I thoroughly enjoyed, is about Holmes when he's sort
of in his lost years where everybody thinks he's dead,
playing as a musician, which every all the movie versions
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will come out and you know, say, oh, he played
the violin. They forget that. Holmes in the books is
this brilliant, genius level composer and he's a musicians and
violinist and he actually is playing with the symphony. And
you proceed, you basically are exploring things that are in
the Doyle Opera.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Opera. Well, we're gonna getting that as a yeah, and
there's a ghost.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
This's just a fascinating there's a first one. We're not
Holmes deals with Polster guys.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Go ahead, go ahead, Nick, if you would.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
The second Holmes book is not Holmes in the Powers Opera.
That's The Canary.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
That's the later one.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
That's yea Holmes Number two is The West End Horror,
which is Holmes in the Theater District in March of
eighteen ninety five.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But he does. He disappears in the Canary one.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Right, well, basically he disappears at the end of the
seven Percent Solutions. Watson. You know that this experience dealing
with cocaine addiction and combining forces on a mystery with
Sigmund Freud. By the time it's all over, he simply
isn't ready to go back to London and he needs,
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as he describes it, a little holiday. And he tells Watts,
as I think he tells him in Doyle's original, you
would do well to follow the concert career of a violinist.
And Siegerson I don't know why he picked that name,
but he does. And then he goes into what he
Holmes buffs, you know, called the Great Hiatus, where nobody
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knew no is where the heck he was. So the third,
my third Sherlock story, The Canary Trainer, posits that before
he went to Tibet, he went to Paris and started
giving violin lesson and then discovered that there was a
vacancy at the Paris Opera or orchestra members were quitting
in drogues because of mysterious goings on at the Pas operas.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The Phantom of the Opera.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
The Pantom. Yeah, and so Holmes gets a job. He
ad in the orchestra of the Paris Opera. And that's
Holmes number three, which is the Canary Trainer. Holmes number
four a very strange one called the Adventure of the
Peculiar Protocols.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Which is about the most famous, successful and vicious hoax
of all time.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I've been
fighting that for fifty years, man, I can't wait to
read that one.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
There's that. And then after that came the Turn of
the Pharaoh, which is Holmes and Watson. Egypt in the
early part of the twentieth century, where there was huge
archaeology mania, egypto Mainia. Right, Yeah, millionaires from all around
the world were descending on Egypt, strip it of its patrimony,
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everything that was buried under the sand. Right, you could
become famous and rich if you know, dug up Tut's tomb,
which somebody eventually did. So that's number five. Number six
is Sherlock Holmes and the Telegram from Hell that in
nineteen sixteen and involves these guys really coming back from
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a semi retired the status to go to work for
the British government when her back is a wall fighting
the Kaiser. And number seven, which I was finishing, is
called Sherlock Holmes and the Real Thing.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
And we can't and what is it? Is that near
the end of his life or because everyone kind.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Of oh I know, I finally went backwards.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Going backwards, Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I couldn't keep him.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Chris Ratelick Coins doesn't never die. He just pretends to.
He disappears.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Oh you know, he's a break, he knows a vacation.
He goes and raises, he goes and raises bees in Sussex.
But Nicholas Meyer, we're looking forward to having you at
the Garden District Bookshop on the third of September, ladies
and gentlemen, That is the day after Labor Day, Tuesday,
six pm, twenty seven to twenty seven, pretennon the historic
Rink shopping center at the corner of Washington Avenue and Pretennure.
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It's open to the public. More information at the Gardendistrict
Bookshop dot com. And we do have to take a
quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to
continue this conversation about the new book and the books
that are upcoming with Nicholas Meyer, Director, and I ask
you a little bit about some of your expansive career
in movies and television and all this.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Hold on him.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
But when you when you come to the bookstore, don't
forget your magnifying glass and put on your deduction thank
you cap, because you're about to meet Sir Nicholas Meyer.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
On that note, Nick Meyer, hold on with a second.
We'll be back right after these important messages.
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Speaker 4 (23:05):
Again, we're again Nicholas. We're so glad to have you
on the show. I can't wait to hear more about
your book that you're gonna be reviewing and lecturing on
at the bookstore coming up in a couple of weeks.
Can you tell us a little bit more? You know,
I'm an old fashioned Southern Baptist hell Fire and Brimstone preacher,
So the title caught my attention a telegram from hell
and we don't want to say too much, we don't
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want to spoil it, but whatever you think would be
apropos to reveal a little more information that might build
the intrigue and get us to really.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Thinking, how can we figure this crime out? That would
be fun.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Nicholas Meyer set the stage for shock Holmes in the
First World War, because there is a Conan Doyle story
about this. But this is a time where you'd expect
Holmes and Watson to be at their best, as the
Spies are descending upon London and Berlin and Paris.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
In fact, Dora lost his son in that warning. I
don't think he ever recovered from it. The grief was overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Go ahead did.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
In fact, the slaughter on the content is so great
that a whole generation yeah, literally White Detroy.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, even if they survived, they were mentally done in.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
And they It really accounts for the strange rise of
interest in spiritualism. People had lost sons and fathers and brothers,
and it takes a mental toll on people of this
kind of loss, and so many people got interested in
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Ouiji boards and trying to communicate with the dead. And
Conan Doyle was not exempt. Son died, brother in law died.
It was a terrible, terrible time, and as of nineteen
sixteen Doyle became a convinced believer in a spiritual world,
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a world in the beyond, and he spent the last right.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
In fact, Whodini tried to prove it wrong. Remember that,
and you've even done a thing about Hudini.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
My dad wrote a biography and he really made to
a two part mini series with Adrian Brody.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm a great fan of Houdinis from Amazing Man.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Well he had a strange friendship. And then end the
two with Arthur Conan Doyle. Right, Arthur Conan Doyle saw
Who he walked through a brick wall. Since he couldn't
explain how it was done, he was convinced that Who
he had spiritual powers, even though denied it. He was
very flattered by the end of the world's most famous
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author because he was just a you know, a kid
from Hungary who came to America when he was five
years old, and.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
He grew up in poverty, great poverty in.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
England, tremendous poverty. And suddenly there was Doyle calling him
a spiritual which he denied. And of course Doyle said, well,
he'd have to deny it because if he admitted he
had spiritual powers, his career as a magician. He finished,
he was a little bit round the bend by.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
And I mean his commitment to spiritualism. He actually people
forget that Conan Doyle was very much involved in British politics.
He had been actually a Liberal Unionist candidate for office.
He was actually offered a peerage, but his commitment to
spiritualism was what made it so he didn't end up
with that seat in the House of Boards. So it
was it was a commitment. I'm curious, though, set up
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the stage if you would, Nicholas Meyer for Shaw Holmes
and a telegraph from how the book that we're going
to be talking about on September third at the Garden
District Bookshop.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
If you well, I'll give it my best shot. Basically,
the last Sherlock Holmes story that Doyle wrote, not the
last one in the series, but the last one he wrote,
is a little story called His Last Bow. And in
that story we learn a few interesting things. One is
it's said in nineteen fourteen, and we learned that the
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previous two years Holmes had been working undercover in America
as a Irish sympathized named Gideon Altamont, and he had
been playing sort of cat and mouse with a German
spymaster named von Bork. And I took that thing as
my sort of jumping off point for the story of
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Holmes and von Bork and being sort of brought out
of retirement in late night in nineteen sixteen, and I
tied it together with the trial and ultimate hanging of
Sir Roger Case and Roger Casement had been knighted by
the British government or services to humanity by having escaped
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Leopold's Belgian congo alive to tell the stories of the
atrocities committed by the Belgian and the Belgian congo to
a shock world. And he was very much admired by everyone.
But when World War One broke out, he revealed his
own Anglo Irish patriotism and went from America where he
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had been rabble rousing for Irish dependents in the middle
of World War One, he went to Germany, who tried
to convince Irish pow in German camps prison camps to
come back into the war on the German side, And
even the Germans thought this was a little woul wool,
so they put him on a submarine back to Ireland
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to you know, continue the good work, where he was
instantly arrested and put on trial for treason by the
same government which had previously knighted him, and he was sentenced,
he hanged, and I think part of what discovery of
his diary, the so called Black Diaries of Roger Casement,
which revealed him to have been a promiscuous homosexual who
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kept rather detailed accounts of his sexual encounters, which by
the way, may or may not have been forged by
British intelligence, but whether they were or they kind of
sealed his face. And it's at this point that Microft,
or Microft's successor, who is the first m Sir William Melville,
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brings Holmes out of retirement down in Sussex, keeping bees
and says, you knew Roger Casement in America two years ago.
Would you be willing to be thrown into Caseman's cell
as a fellow terrorist? That he won't tell us about
German plan? And so Holmes allows him. First they have
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to beat out of it, cracked rib, black eye, broken tooth,
stucked into a cell at Brixton Prison with Roger Casement
soon to be hanged, and Roger Caseman tells him a
strange story, and that story is that there's a secret
plan that Germany has to win the war in twelve weeks.
The only problem is Caseman doesn't know what the plan is,
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or if he does, he's not trusting Gibeon Altamont, his
Holmes's spy million enough to tell it to it. And
so m wants homes and wants it to go to
America and try to learn what this plan is. And
what they soon find out is that it revolves around
a coded telegram. And that's all you're gonna get out
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of there.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We're exciting Hell. A telegram from help folks.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
You're just going to have to buy the book at
the Garden District book Shop on September third, when Nicholas
Meyer is coming in to sign books and speak on
Sherlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell. He's joining by
via phone link from Los Angeles with Hi McHenry and
Christopher Tidmore on this edition of The Founder Show. And Nick,
we're so excited to be hosting you at twenty seven
to twenty seven Britannia at the corner of Washington and Britannia.
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These are the shameless plugs I'm giving for.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Go, which of course have even the Trukies need to
be there.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
We need to have And that's a good perfect segue.
I know the reason why we're partners into Nicholas Meyer.
And of course you know we have the new bar
in the bookstore which is open every night till eight pm.
You can come in, have a cocktail, read a book.
But that is side Chris.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Wait a minute, now, I'm should we have someone from
the nu Orleance opera being well, let we talk about that.
But wait, wait, I wanted to say something now, Nicholas,
I've had three combat tours, and my background US Army
Special Forces. I was a counter intelligence agent with him.
I have a top secret clearance at CI. So all
this is very fascinating. I mean, you mentioned World War One,
how terrible it was. I'm also a student of war.
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I've been reading it and studying war since i was
a little kid. My father made was World War One
and World War Two veteran, and so I have it
deeply entrenched in my family and my own heart and
mind and whatnot. I loved the military, loves soldiers, marines, airmen,
and sailors. And but one of the things she pointed,
and you made a good point of this, I believe
I'm convinced. After all my study and research of war,
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by far the worst war America was ever in was
World War One. I don't think there was ever a
more horrible and terrible war where the soldiers suffered the
most than World War One, unless perhaps the Civil War.
And that's I just wanted to make that point because
this is you know, the setting is World War One.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
In this You're tell from hell.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
One of the things that I observe the collapse of
American education. We don't teach anything anymore.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
No, they don't.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
It's a joke kind of you know, trade knowledge, technical knowledge.
We don't teach civics. I don't. I don't know what
that's all about. We don't teach it. And we don't
teach history. And somebody said, I think it was the
philosopher of Santana who George Santana's, Yes, do not learn
the lesson that history teaches. Are condemned to repeat those
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And I think World War one, World War all this
stuff gets very quickly lost in the mists of time,
and so we wind up making the same mistakes again
and again and again.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
A lot of it has to do with the leadership,
you know, Eisenhower's military industrial complex issue I called big
brother government. They love war and they know how to
deceive the people, and that's one reason. And they they
keep us from the hip by design, so we won't.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Learn from history.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And that's why we keep doing the same dumb thing
over and over and overall.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Never never ascribed to conspiracy what simple ignorance will explain,
but I will.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But remember, I'm sure disagrees with you on.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
It, on that, on that, Nicholas Meyer, if I may
take a quick segue, because a lot of people are
like when I, when I told a few of my
friends I was having Nicholas Meyron to say, you have
a fan community amongst movie amongst movie buffs in general
and sci fi buffs in particular, is the understatement of
the century. But you said something that just struck me.
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A lot of your work in the film industry has
been kind of on that lesson that you're using historical
parallels and you're showing them that these are lessons that
have been experienced before and not and certainly comes up
in your Star Trek work, you know, And I was
curious if you could comment for the many many Star
Trek fans and the many many film fans you have,
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you know, how your film experience has influenced your writing
in The Sharlot.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well Life is Strange in case you hadn't noticed it.
I came out to California from New York because I
was in love with movies and I wanted movies, and
I got lucky. Somebody recommended a general to Napoleon and said,
this guy's very good general. And Napoleon said, I know
he's good, but is he lucky? And I think luck
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plays a big role. I was, not, for example, a
Star Trek fan. I'd never seen it or if I
flashed by it when I was channel surfing, you know,
as a young man, I just kept going. I didn't.
I think it's fair to say that whatever was important
or remarkable or imaginative about the show went right by me.
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The fact that it had an interracial cast, that it
had women in positions of power, all of that just
I missed all of that. I didn't stick around long enough,
you know. I was impatient, and I looked at the
cheesy costumes and I just kept going. And then when
I was starting my career in California and writing movies
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of the Week and just beginning I got to write
and direct well the Seven Percent Solution became a movie,
and I sold the rights condition that I write the screenplay.
And then the screenplay for The Seven Percent Solution was
nominated for an aust and so now I had some
kind of credibility. So when I wrote Time after Time,
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which was my HG. Wells versus Jack the Ripper sci.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Fi, yeah, I love.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
That was my directing debut and HG.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Wells in nineteen eighty San Francisco still remain Yeah, and
one of the greatest juxtapositions of time I've ever seen.
In my aside, I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Going to do that when you're writing fiction, case.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Say that it was not my idea. I think I'm
more a pillager of other people's ideas.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
We all do that. We all do that along.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Well. Art is a history of cut and paste, right.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
And for those who join us, director and author Nicholas
Myers join us. And so from Time after Time you
went into.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Well what happened was at the end of that A
friend of mine, who was an executive at paramount Is,
Karen Moore, suggested that I go and meet Harv Bennett,
a producer who was on the lot at Paramounts. He
had been assigned to produce the second Star Trek movie,
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and I said, gee, is that's the one with the
man with twenty years and.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
She's don't be such anob His nickname was Sherlock, by
the way, logic logic.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Well, I went and met Harve Bennett, the producer, and
I liked him very much, and showed me the first movie,
and he showed me the episodes, and his job was
to get a second Star Trek movie made and not
to have a runaway production because the first one cost
forty five million dollars in nineteen seventy nine and they
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weren't going to give anybody that kind of money to
do another one. So he showed me all this stuff
and I started thinking about it, and I guess I
thought about it before, but I thought, jeeus reminds me
of something that I that I do understand that or
think I understand and really love. Were these books that
I read about the same age that I read Sherlock,
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which was the Adventures of Captain Horatio Hornblower. Hornblower being
an English captain in the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars,
and he had a girl in every port.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Of course, and he was the influence for as it
turns out Captain Kirk Gene Runberg.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Well, anyways, you know, I stumbled on that. I, you know,
like everything, I sort of enter backwards apologized, and so
I thought, oh, this is Hornblower in outer space. I
can do that. And so I got the gig to
direct the movie, of course, and they had five scripts
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and I'm sorry, and they none of those scripts were
satisfying anybody. And I asked to read them, and I
plowed through them. I'm a very slow reader. And then
I said, well, why don't we make a list. Why
don't make a list of anything we like in these
five scripts. Could be the major plot, it could be
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a subplot. It could be a sequence, it could be
a scene, it could be a character, it could be
line of dialogue. I don't care what it is. Let's
just make that list. And then how about I try
to write a new script and incorporate as many of
these things on our laundry list as we all agree on.
And basically they said, well, that won't work because unless
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we have a screenplay in twelve days, the special effects
house can't guarantee us the shots in time for the
June opening. And I said, what, what's June opening, and
they said, well, we booked the pictures of June on
June something something. I said, you you, that's only the
second movie ever directed. I said, you booked the movie
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into theaters and that there's no movie, and he said, well,
that's the way it's always done.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
And so you came up, as it turns out to
what is arguably, though I will easily say, the greatest
Star Trek movie ever made. You brought con Union sing
into back Intocardo Montabon back into it. And it's not
it's not a Star Trek movie. It's an icon of culture.
The movie, the Scream of con out of the Out
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of the Genesis Planetoid from James Kirk remains the definition
of the idea of vengeance brought forth in a movie.
And Nicholas Meyer, I can't tell you how much we
We're almost out of time, so I do want to
plug again. You're going to be with us on September
third at the Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven,
Pertenna with your new book Shaw Colmbs and the Telegram
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for Hell, and you're going to be signing copies talking
about it. We look forward to seeing you and for
more information go on the website to Gardendstrict Bookshop dot com.
Thankles Mayer, thank you so much for joining us here
on the Founder Show.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Thanks Nicholas, this is great. I can't wait to meet you.
It's been a privileged Yes, Sir god Bleach.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Thank you much, and folks will be back with the
patriotic moment right up for these important messages. Stay tuned.
The opera Tosca opens up to audiences September twenty seventh
at seven thirty pm and September twenty ninth at two
thirty pm. For more information, go to New Orleans Opera
dot org. New Orleans Opera dot org.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
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Speaker 6 (41:35):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Have you ever been to the opera?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yes, but never enough, only a few times. I've got
to get going again, Christopher Well.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I got to tell you most people don't realize New
Orleans is the birthplace of opera in North America. I'm
starting here in seventeen ninety six, and the New Orleans,
the French opera House opened to New Orleans in one
hundred and sixty five years ago, and one hundred and
thirty years ago. Basically, we were the place where all
the operas are premiering. There's a new opera.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
We were the Broadway of America.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
We were, And the new opera that is premiering is
Tosca on September twenty seventh at seven thirty pm and
September twenty ninth at two thirty pm. We're going to
be there, folks. You need to go check this out.
We've got internationally renowned stars that are coming in playing it.
Check out more information at New Orleans Opera dot org.
New Orleans Opera dot orgy. You've never been to the opera.
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Their tickets available now forty dollars a person. They are
really cheap. I'm talking the front section, right right near
the stage.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Folks are a hot Italian romance.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
It is about an opera singer in Rome name of Tosca.
It is an exciting remember they got the subtitles up there.
It's going to be a whole evening, a little evening
in Italy here in New Orleans. Check them out the
evening of September twenty seventh at seven thirty pm and
September twenty ninth, for those that don't want to go
out at night for two thirty pm over at the
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Mahia Jackson Theater at Armstrong Park. Parking is amply available
right nearby. Check out more information at New Orleans Opera
dot org. That's New Orleans Opera dot o.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Rg oss.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, folks, who are back and you are listening to
the Founder's show, and it is not time for us
to go into our chaplain by bah patriotic moment. We
just take a brief moment to remind you of the
biblical foundations of our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And
today we're going to talk about none other than Teddy Roosevelt,
my wife, Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
We've done him.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Before, but I thought it was apropos because Teddy Roosevelt
was once a chief of police, the superintendent of all
the police in New York City, and he was quite
a sleuth. He was quite a Sherlock's Holmes himself. Before
he was a vice president and then the president. And
so let's hear the wisdom of Teddy Roosevelt, one of
the greatest presidents of America's ever had. You know, he
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said that a thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth
more than a college education.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
And he also said, I reverently invoke for my guidance
the direction in favor of Almighty God. I think Teddy
rose and I really had a really strong belief and
dependence upon his creator. He knew how important it was
to depend on God in government, he said. He went
on to say, every thinking man, when he thinks, realizes
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that the teachings of the Bible are so interrooven and
intertwined with our whole civic and social life that it
would be literally impossible for us to figure ourselves what
that life would be. If these standards were removed, we
would lose almost all the standards by which we now
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judge both public and private morals. That means, you know,
government when he said public, and all the standards toward
which we, with more or less resolutions, strive to raise ourselves.
That's where America was back then, folks. And of course
you can clearly see that's where Teddy Roosevelt was truly
a great man of God. Well, folks, where are you?
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And miss are you a person of God? A man
or a woman of God?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Would you like to be?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, I'm gonna show you how you can, as we
now go into our chaplain by by a gospel moment
where again I just take a brief moment.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
To show you how you can know that you know that,
you know you're saved.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
From a burning hell and guaranteed everlasting life. And I
sure wish Old Sherlock could be here to analyze all
this right now. I think he'd find it quite interesting,
as he applied his sleuthful ways of investigations and interrogations
and in as a remarkable detective that he was. You know,
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the Bible is a book of it's a mystery book.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It really is. There's a whole lot of mystery that
there's a whole lot of work for a detective.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Do is if you would apply the analytical deductive mind
of Sherlock Holmes throughout the Bible, he would be fascinated
to find out what you would discover. So let's see
what we can discover right now about how do we
know we're going to heaven and.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Save from a burning hell?
Speaker 4 (46:09):
We just talked about a book that said something about Hell,
and earlier in the show. Hell's a terrible place, folks,
don't It's where you don't ever want to go. Do
you know that Jesus preached more about Hell than he
did about Heaven. Our precious Rabbi Jesus y Shuahamashiah, you
know that's his heat. That was the way they would
have pronounce his name. They called him Rabbi yes Shuah
how Mchia two thousand years ago in Hebrew, folks, this
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is what Jesus said. He said that Hell was a
terrible place. It was a place of great fire, great torment.
He preached more about Hell than he did about heaven.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Was he a meaning?
Speaker 6 (46:43):
No?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
He didn't want you going there. He wants you going
to heaven. So he did everything he could to warn
you about the dangers of your eternity in damn nation.
He didn't want you to go to hell because he
loves you, He loves all of us, folks, and so
this is what you need to know. He told, a
very religious man wants this message, this very religious man,
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and he gave him a message that didn't have a
whole lot of religion in it. He told this man
he had to be born again. And this highly religious
man founded a rabbinical school, which almost there were only
a couple of rabbinical schools, a few of them. He
was one of the finer of his name's Nicodemus. He's
in John chapter three in the Book of John and
the Bible. He said, you must be born again. Oh
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my goodness, what does that mean? Well, the word born
again means that your dead and dying spirit becomes fully
alive when you realize the great love of God for you,
the great redemption God has for you, the great salvation
God has of you from a burning hell. He told
him this so that he could learn how to be
born again. He said, for God's soul loved the world.
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That's you, that's everybody. For God so loved the world
that he gave his only begotten son. That's the Lord
Jesus Christ. He's perfect God, perfect man, all the way
God and all the way Man. He gave his only
begotten son. That whosoever that's you again believeth in him. Well,
what do you believe in? I mean, if they believe
in somebody, you got to know what are you believing?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Right? Well, this is what you have to believe.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
The scripture says, the Gospel is the power of God
into salvation.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
And it tells what the gospel. That word gospel means
good news.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
The gospel is the power of God of salvation to
whosoever believeth And this is the gospel. Before I declare
to you the gospel. One greeen is fifteen. That Christ
died for all of your sins. I mean, from the
day you're born, in the day you die, your tiniest
to your greatest sins, all your sins, folks, he died
for them all. He paid for them all. He died
for all your sins. According to scripture, he was buried,
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and then he rose again from the dead. According to
the scription. Now that's plain and simply the gospel. It's
that simple death barrel resurrection. Jesus kept saying, repent and
believe that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but
have everlasting life. You'll be saved from hell. I guaranteed heaven.
But Jesus did say repent, repent and believe this. So
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what is the word repentance? Things, Well, it's part of
your faith. Think of your faith as a two sided coin,
and one side of repentancy, the side is childlike faith,
faith alone and Christ alone. You see repentances when you
believe you cannot save yourself, Religion says you can. You
see that very religious man. Nicodemus was trying all kinds
of stuff to save himself, but nothing seemed to be working.
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And that's why he went to Jesus. He could see
Jesus had the answers that comes out in the text.
He wanted to know, who are you? How do you
know all the how can you do all these things?
And Jesus told him you must be born again. Nicodemus
god it. By the way, he became a great follower
of Christ. Will you also become a follower of Christ.
Like Nicodemus did, he realized finally all his religion would
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never get him to heaven, no matter what he did,
his prayers, his good works, turned from his sins, all
the things we think we.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Got to do to help God out.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
On the cross right, that's never gonna help God. It
only gets in his way.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
So just quit give it up. You don't need to
do all that, and with childlike.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Faith, believe that Jesus really did die for our sins,
was buried and rose from the dead. Believe it right now.
The scripture says now today is the day of salvation.
And like the old country preacher said, don't wait till
it's too late, folks, Please turn to Jesus right now.
Turn from trusting in yourself. That's repentance. Quit thinking you're
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going to be able to do something to help God out.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
You're not.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
You're just not good enough. So forget it. Scripture, that's
all of your rights to so it's filthy rags. And
when you do that, you're free, finally, totally free to
put faith alone in Christ. Alone, with childlike faith, believe
that He really did die for all your sins and
rosa dead if you've never done before, do it now? Well, folks,
there's something else we got to do now because we're
in that time. Well, I'm talking about the end of
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this age, and boy wouldn't Charlock love to do an
investigation on this. Do you know that there are over
two hundred prophecies, mysteries and the scripture that predict Jesus's
second coming, over two hundred. There were over one hundred
for his first coming, over two hundred for a second coming.
Does that mean the second coming may be more important
than the first? I don't know, but iarantee you there's
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a look at the emphasis on it. He had to
come the first time if you did, and the second
time wouldn't have worked. So the first time is certainly
very important. And that's where he redeemed us, so we
could be with him in heaven forever, folks. But he
is coming back, and you need to know that. Jesus
put great emphasis on it. Is all of that discourse.
He said, when you see all these things coming together,
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that's when I'm returning. Now they have to all come
together at the same time. There's so many signs, there
are wars, ruins of wars, pestile and says you name it.
But there's certain things that have never happened before, like
knowledge would increase. We've never seen knowledge increase as it
is right now earthquakes all around the world. Never seen
an increase in earthquakes. Suck we're having right now. You
look at the geological record and see that folks is
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or wasn't in the land. Now they're in the land
that only could only happen once again. This is the
third time they're back. By the way, no other nation's
ever done that. Once a nation or an ethnic group
gets kicked out of their land, they never come back.
It's over with except for the Jewish people. You think
maybe God's hand has something to do with that. You
think maybe God's involved with that. I think so, I know.
So folks, So, ladies and gentlemen, get ready, because Jesus
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is coming back soon. All those two hundred plus prophecies
have just bought every last one of them come true,
wouldn't Sherlock Holmes will like to solve this mystery because
it is a mystery. Jesus is going to come back.
I'm coming back covertly, I'm coming back like a thief
in the night. People aren't going to be ready for me,
he says most people, But he says, we believers, we
can know because we see the signs. We're studying the signs,
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just like oh Sherlock would have been doing. And guess
what we can get the time downe not the day
or the hour, not the precise time, but certainly the season.
And that season is now upon us.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Folks. I hope you're ready.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
You need a bunker, by the way, I think, because
things are going to get really bad. And I'm going
to recommend a bunker company for you. It's called the
Jesus Christ Cooperation for Bunkers. And guess what it's going.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
To cost you. It's free. It's free. So go to
Jesus right now. Believe that he really did die for
all your since was bad and Wilsemon dead. And I
guarantee you, because the Bible guarantees.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
You, you will be safe from burning hell, you will be
guaranteed heaven, and you will be ready for when Jesus
comes back at a very exciting and hot time for
the old planet Earth. So it's not time for us
to close. As we close with a mont Saint Martin
singing a creole goodbye, and God.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Bless all out there to call you weel goodbye.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
We just wasted time, all three, Sivy, there's time for
a creo goodbye.
By holes.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 5 (01:06):
Christopher Tidmore, your roving reporter, resident radical moderate, Associate editor
of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And Hi, we got a fantastic show today because we
have a special guest, a director of over thirty films,
a legend in the entertainment business, a truly living legend
and the Sherlock Holmes expert in the world on his
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seventh book, introduce our special guest for us.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Thank you Christopher, and thank you Nicholas Meyer for being
with us. Your record is amazing. I think you've had
eleven or maybe more very prestigious awards, and you've I
think you've actually they were nominations or ones you won.
I think you wonce five of them, you know, Academy
Awards and mets, all those things. And I was studying
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up on your record, and I mean, you've had a
very long and prolific literary career. It's absolutely amazing you've gone.
You've done all all the mediums uh, television movies of course, scriptwriting,
uh and book novels and whatnot, short stories, And I
love your I love the way you've handled Charlotte Colms
and he's one of my favorite guys. I mean, they're
over twenty five thousand works that are follow up on
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the original Charlotte coms Uthocondoll, who wrote four books and
about fifty six short stories, and from that has produced
an entire uh pantheon of literal literary accomplishment. And and
you're certainly playing a major role in that. And uh,
I can't wait to hear your story and you know
which you've done with short and also maybe to talk
a little sci fi spy stuff because you do it
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all comedy. It's amazing the variety that you have in
your literary expression. So I guess, without further ado in
New Orleans, which one was that?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Which one?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
It's called Bendetta?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yes, I saw that. I saw that. There's another movie
called Viva Vendetta. I thought it was that one, but yeah,
this was. It was about when the the the Italians,
the mafia Old Hennessy and the results of that and
the hanging, the lunchings of the Italian mob and all
that stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's amazing, amazing story.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
It is an amazing story. It's not a very happy one,
but uh.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, it's not many tragedies in that store.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
For those who joining For those who's joining us, folks.
Nicholas Meyer a well known Hollywood director and is coming
is joining us, but he's talking about his new book,
Charlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell. And for those
that don't know this, Nicholas Meyer is considered the foremost
Sherlock Holmes author he's been proved by the to write
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by the Conan Doyle Estate.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Wow, he is, he is.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
He's actually the official person. And I've got to tell
you that Nick has been kind enough to let me
use his actual name Nick, when I had known of
Nicholas Meyer as the director. Of course, you know I'm
a Star Trek fan, so of course you are. We
bow before the director, Star Trek two, The Wrath of
Khan and Star Trek Section.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, Christopher, you know we.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Could do perhaps we could canonize Nick and from now
we call him Saint Nick.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Right, very good, But.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Nick, I have to go hard to recognize.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
But Nick, I do. I do have a situation where
I wanted to say that I actually discovered you, not
through any connection to science fiction, but because of the
way a lot of people do your your the first
book in your your Sharlock Holms series, The Seven Percent Solution,
I picked up. And for those that do not, or
Sharlock Holmes fans or mystery fans in general, this book
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is exceptional. It's the kickoff, and it's a reinterpretation of
the Rock and back Falls situation with moriority, and it
deals with areas. It not only gets into the Sharlock
holmbs's head, but his addictions and what happens in those
mystery years that in the subsequent books, and so if
you could set us up to how you became. And
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this is not an exaggeration when I say this is
a statement that holmesy and society has said. The foremost
Sherlock Holmes author since Conan Doyle was one of the quotes,
how to did you become this expert on Shrlock Holmes?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Now in your seventh book, Lucky.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
I guess when I was, and I, you know, I
have to have a little caveator foremost anything, but I
can tell you, you know, specific facts insofar as my
memory serves me. I believe that I was given the
complete Sherlock Holmes stories to sixty for the Boor novellas,
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the fifty six short stories by my dad when I
was about eleven years old. There's a reason, I think
why it's called an impressionable age. I think that childhood
experiences with people and events and scenes tend to imprint
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themselves the most lastingly and are cherished the longest. I
read these stories, you know, I just album is my
recollection and then got sort of blue when I realized
there weren't anymore. I'm not first person, by a long
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shot who decided to write my own. This is an
old story and it doesn't just apply to Sherlock. I mean,
the Odyssey could be described as a fanboy sequel. So
when I was in high school, having read these stories,
and another thing that sort of came into the mix
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was people saying, oh, your old man's a shrink. Is
he a Freudian? And I didn't know, so I asked
my father, I said, Pop, are you a Freudian? And
he said, well, it's a kind of silly question. And
I said, why is that? And he said, because it's
no more possible to discuss the history of psychoanalysis and
not begin with Freud. Then it is to discuss the
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history of the discovery of America by Europeans and not
start with Columbus or the Vikings, take your pick. But
to suppose that nothing has happened since the Viking is
to be pretty rigidy. Doctor, He said, when a person
comes to see me, I listen to what they say,
I listen to how they say it. I'm especially curious,
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say are they on time with their body languages? I
am in short searching for clues from them as to
why they are not. And I said, gee, Pop, that
sounds like detective work. And he thought about that. He said, well,
I guess it is kind of like detective work. And
in a flash, I suddenly knew who my father had
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always reminded me. And it was that same Sherlock Holme
whose stories he had given me to read when I
was at that impressionable age. And so at that point,
maybe I'm thirteen, maybe I'm fourteen, maybe I'm fifteen. Now
I start wondering how much Arthur Conan Doyle knew about
writing Sigmund for ad And for that matter, what did
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Sigmund Freud know about Arthur and the first thing? And
they both died in the same town within nine years
of each plot. And then Holmes is a cocaine addict,
so for Sigmund Freud, and Freud had become involved with
cocaine when he collaborated on a paper written by two ophthalmologists,
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Kerningstein and Kohler, on the uses of cocaine as an
anesthetic during eye surgery. And damned if Arthur Conan Doyle
didn't study ophthalmology. Good wow, Vienna and then later you
find out that Freud's favorite bedtime was Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer by
any means, but even with my brain, over the next
ten years, I'm sort of mulling all this. And sometimes
in my twenties, I've moved from New York to California
to seek my fortune in the movie business.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
And you're not doing anything important like directing the most
watched movie and television history the day after or anything
like that. You're not busy with anything whatsoever during this period.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
No, I didn't. Way later, folks, I was just scratching
out a living. I was actually sort of building model
boats for people out of plastic kits. Slow start, but
I started writing some television movies and then when't you
know what, the writers' guilds went on strike and weren't
allowed to write the scripts. Oh boy, and that my
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girlfriend said, well, now you can write that Sigmund Freud
Sherlock Holmes book you mumbling about, And she was right.
I didn't have anything else to do except walk up
a picket, walk up and down, you know, picketing every
day for three hours. And so that's when I wrote
what became the seven percent Solution?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And for those just joining us, Nicholas Meyer, well known
Hollywood director, a director of multiple movies for Star Trek fans,
the probably the two best of all the Star Trek movies.
But also he is well known as a sciences as
the foremost Sherlock Holmes author and the seven Percent. His
new book is going to be premiered at the Garden
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District book Shop on September third, Hell. Chris Sherlock Holmes
and the Telegram from Hell is the new book, the
first book seven Percent Solution. It captured my imagination, Nicholas Meyer,
because you're basically retelling the story of Moriarty and I
don't want to go into too much of the plot,
but essentially you're explaining why Holmes disappeared and this what
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is the seven percent solution? And it has to do
with a certain cocaine.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
If I'm not mistaken, he took a seven percent amount
of cocaine and then correct, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Yes I didn't. And this is not my seat. This
is in the very second Sherlock Holmes ella of Arthur
Conan Doyle, the sign of before he specifies that with
thin nervous fingers Holmes opens a fine Moroccan case, pulls
out a syringe and starts shooting up. And Watson is
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very far in advance of medical opinion when he decries
this practice as being loathsome and danger. Watson's a doctor.
We should also remember that that cocaine was eagle right,
So Holmes wasn't really breaking a law, was just doing
something that his roommate and medical led thought was not
a good idea.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
In fact, back then, I don't think there were there
were any illegal drugs from what I remember. And by
the way, a little question, I'm sure you know why
did Watson walk with a limp?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Watson was wounded in the Second Afghan War at the
Battle of Maiwan.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Right, good, you get an a By the way, I
know you knew that. I want everybody to hear that
because people really don't want a lot to me because
I had two deployments to a bullet.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
He was rescued by his orderly murray, Wow, who threw
him over his shoulder? I mean, my wand was a
terrible battle.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I remember he was a slaughter and it was.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And that's one thing. A lot of the renditions, and
I'm glad in all of your books, Nicholas Meyer, you
always perceive Watson to be what he is, which is
a wounded but highly highly trained, highly thought of soldier.
I mean, he's a military doctor, but he was incredibly trained.
Some of the renditions of John Watson in the twentieth
century television and movie renditions do not really give credit
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to the fact that this was a very well trained,
very dangerous soldier and a very perceptive man. And you
talk about his own military capabilities being something that he's
recognizing the path that Holmes has gone into into almost illusion,
and he's recognizing it based on many of his know
only medical experiences, but his military experiences. And I thought
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that was very powerful in Seven Percent of Life.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
When I wrote the novel The Seventh Solution, and also
when I worked on the movie script of the of
the book, I think I was prompted to write my
novel as a kind of correct to a lot of
home notations that I couldn't stand. I never there's very
Fushrolock Holmes movie that I could bear to sit through.
(13:25):
And one of the things that made me crazy was
portraying Watson as a jerk, because I never understood why
it wants to hang out with an.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Idiot, great thought, yeah, and he had almost no friend,
So why did he picked this one man for his close,
confident on best buddy he was.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Holmes was very vain about his gifts, and I think
if he wanted the admiration of somebody, it was a
regular man, not a sub Again, I never stood the
relation has frequently depicted in the movies Not All You
Know and the Peter Cushing Hound of the Baskervilles. I
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think it's Andre Morelos. Watson does a very good journey. Yeah,
but I never understood Nigel Bruce as Wasson. That just
didn't track for me at all, and it didn't meem
like the guy whose narrative voice get when you read
the original stories. And I think in this regard, I
consider myself very much a purist. I like my Holmes
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the way Doyle wrote it, and I may not succeed,
but I am always trying to imitate the way Doyle
wrote and not sort of updated or bowdlerized. I wanted
I take my homes straight.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Joining us is Nicholas Meyer. He is, of course the
author of Shawack Holmes and The Telegraph from Hell. That
will be premiering the books making its premiere at the
Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven Pritannia on
September three. Nicholas Meyer will be in attendance to sign books,
talk about Shawack Holmes and the new novel. And it's
a o'clock on the third, that's the day after Labor Day,
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so folks, we hope you can join us. It's open
to the public. You can find out more at the
Garden District Bookshop, dot com and Nicholas Meyer. The seven
Percent Solution was interesting because it then led into a
whole new series of books. The follow up book, of Course,
which I thoroughly enjoyed, is about Holmes when he's sort
of in his lost years where everybody thinks he's dead,
playing as a musician, which every all the movie versions
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will come out and you know, say, oh, he played
the violin. They forget that. Holmes in the books is
this brilliant, genius level composer and he's a musicians and
violinist and he actually is playing with the symphony. And
you proceed, you basically are exploring things that are in
the Doyle Opera.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Opera. Well, we're gonna getting that as a yeah, and
there's a ghost.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
This's just a fascinating there's a first one. We're not
Holmes deals with Polster guys.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Go ahead, go ahead, Nick, if you would.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
The second Holmes book is not Holmes in the Powers Opera.
That's The Canary.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
That's the later one.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
That's yea Holmes Number two is The West End Horror,
which is Holmes in the Theater District in March of
eighteen ninety five.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But he does. He disappears in the Canary one.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Right, well, basically he disappears at the end of the
seven Percent Solutions. Watson. You know that this experience dealing
with cocaine addiction and combining forces on a mystery with
Sigmund Freud. By the time it's all over, he simply
isn't ready to go back to London and he needs,
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as he describes it, a little holiday. And he tells Watts,
as I think he tells him in Doyle's original, you
would do well to follow the concert career of a violinist.
And Siegerson I don't know why he picked that name,
but he does. And then he goes into what he
Holmes buffs, you know, called the Great Hiatus, where nobody
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knew no is where the heck he was. So the third,
my third Sherlock story, The Canary Trainer, posits that before
he went to Tibet, he went to Paris and started
giving violin lesson and then discovered that there was a
vacancy at the Paris Opera or orchestra members were quitting
in drogues because of mysterious goings on at the Pas operas.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The Phantom of the Opera.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
The Pantom. Yeah, and so Holmes gets a job. He
ad in the orchestra of the Paris Opera. And that's
Holmes number three, which is the Canary Trainer. Holmes number
four a very strange one called the Adventure of the
Peculiar Protocols.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Which is about the most famous, successful and vicious hoax
of all time.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I've been
fighting that for fifty years, man, I can't wait to
read that one.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
There's that. And then after that came the Turn of
the Pharaoh, which is Holmes and Watson. Egypt in the
early part of the twentieth century, where there was huge
archaeology mania, egypto Mainia. Right, Yeah, millionaires from all around
the world were descending on Egypt, strip it of its patrimony,
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everything that was buried under the sand. Right, you could
become famous and rich if you know, dug up Tut's tomb,
which somebody eventually did. So that's number five. Number six
is Sherlock Holmes and the Telegram from Hell that in
nineteen sixteen and involves these guys really coming back from
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a semi retired the status to go to work for
the British government when her back is a wall fighting
the Kaiser. And number seven, which I was finishing, is
called Sherlock Holmes and the Real Thing.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
And we can't and what is it? Is that near
the end of his life or because everyone kind.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Of oh I know, I finally went backwards.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Going backwards, Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I couldn't keep him.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Chris Ratelick Coins doesn't never die. He just pretends to.
He disappears.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Oh you know, he's a break, he knows a vacation.
He goes and raises, he goes and raises bees in Sussex.
But Nicholas Meyer, we're looking forward to having you at
the Garden District Bookshop on the third of September, ladies
and gentlemen, That is the day after Labor Day, Tuesday,
six pm, twenty seven to twenty seven, pretennon the historic
Rink shopping center at the corner of Washington Avenue and Pretennure.
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It's open to the public. More information at the Gardendistrict
Bookshop dot com. And we do have to take a
quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to
continue this conversation about the new book and the books
that are upcoming with Nicholas Meyer, Director, and I ask
you a little bit about some of your expansive career
in movies and television and all this.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Hold on him.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
But when you when you come to the bookstore, don't
forget your magnifying glass and put on your deduction thank
you cap, because you're about to meet Sir Nicholas Meyer.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
On that note, Nick Meyer, hold on with a second.
We'll be back right after these important messages.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Team, Well, folks, this chapin.
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Speaker 4 (23:05):
Again, we're again Nicholas. We're so glad to have you
on the show. I can't wait to hear more about
your book that you're gonna be reviewing and lecturing on
at the bookstore coming up in a couple of weeks.
Can you tell us a little bit more? You know,
I'm an old fashioned Southern Baptist hell Fire and Brimstone preacher,
So the title caught my attention a telegram from hell
and we don't want to say too much, we don't
(23:25):
want to spoil it, but whatever you think would be
apropos to reveal a little more information that might build
the intrigue and get us to really.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Thinking, how can we figure this crime out? That would
be fun.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Nicholas Meyer set the stage for shock Holmes in the
First World War, because there is a Conan Doyle story
about this. But this is a time where you'd expect
Holmes and Watson to be at their best, as the
Spies are descending upon London and Berlin and Paris.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
In fact, Dora lost his son in that warning. I
don't think he ever recovered from it. The grief was overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Go ahead did.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
In fact, the slaughter on the content is so great
that a whole generation yeah, literally White Detroy.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, even if they survived, they were mentally done in.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
And they It really accounts for the strange rise of
interest in spiritualism. People had lost sons and fathers and brothers,
and it takes a mental toll on people of this
kind of loss, and so many people got interested in
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Ouiji boards and trying to communicate with the dead. And
Conan Doyle was not exempt. Son died, brother in law died.
It was a terrible, terrible time, and as of nineteen
sixteen Doyle became a convinced believer in a spiritual world,
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a world in the beyond, and he spent the last right.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
In fact, Whodini tried to prove it wrong. Remember that,
and you've even done a thing about Hudini.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
My dad wrote a biography and he really made to
a two part mini series with Adrian Brody.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm a great fan of Houdinis from Amazing Man.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Well he had a strange friendship. And then end the
two with Arthur Conan Doyle. Right, Arthur Conan Doyle saw
Who he walked through a brick wall. Since he couldn't
explain how it was done, he was convinced that Who
he had spiritual powers, even though denied it. He was
very flattered by the end of the world's most famous
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author because he was just a you know, a kid
from Hungary who came to America when he was five
years old, and.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
He grew up in poverty, great poverty in.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
England, tremendous poverty. And suddenly there was Doyle calling him
a spiritual which he denied. And of course Doyle said, well,
he'd have to deny it because if he admitted he
had spiritual powers, his career as a magician. He finished,
he was a little bit round the bend by.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
And I mean his commitment to spiritualism. He actually people
forget that Conan Doyle was very much involved in British politics.
He had been actually a Liberal Unionist candidate for office.
He was actually offered a peerage, but his commitment to
spiritualism was what made it so he didn't end up
with that seat in the House of Boards. So it
was it was a commitment. I'm curious, though, set up
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the stage if you would, Nicholas Meyer for Shaw Holmes
and a telegraph from how the book that we're going
to be talking about on September third at the Garden
District Bookshop.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
If you well, I'll give it my best shot. Basically,
the last Sherlock Holmes story that Doyle wrote, not the
last one in the series, but the last one he wrote,
is a little story called His Last Bow. And in
that story we learn a few interesting things. One is
it's said in nineteen fourteen, and we learned that the
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previous two years Holmes had been working undercover in America
as a Irish sympathized named Gideon Altamont, and he had
been playing sort of cat and mouse with a German
spymaster named von Bork. And I took that thing as
my sort of jumping off point for the story of
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Holmes and von Bork and being sort of brought out
of retirement in late night in nineteen sixteen, and I
tied it together with the trial and ultimate hanging of
Sir Roger Case and Roger Casement had been knighted by
the British government or services to humanity by having escaped
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Leopold's Belgian congo alive to tell the stories of the
atrocities committed by the Belgian and the Belgian congo to
a shock world. And he was very much admired by everyone.
But when World War One broke out, he revealed his
own Anglo Irish patriotism and went from America where he
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had been rabble rousing for Irish dependents in the middle
of World War One, he went to Germany, who tried
to convince Irish pow in German camps prison camps to
come back into the war on the German side, And
even the Germans thought this was a little woul wool,
so they put him on a submarine back to Ireland
(28:24):
to you know, continue the good work, where he was
instantly arrested and put on trial for treason by the
same government which had previously knighted him, and he was sentenced,
he hanged, and I think part of what discovery of
his diary, the so called Black Diaries of Roger Casement,
which revealed him to have been a promiscuous homosexual who
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kept rather detailed accounts of his sexual encounters, which by
the way, may or may not have been forged by
British intelligence, but whether they were or they kind of
sealed his face. And it's at this point that Microft,
or Microft's successor, who is the first m Sir William Melville,
(29:09):
brings Holmes out of retirement down in Sussex, keeping bees
and says, you knew Roger Casement in America two years ago.
Would you be willing to be thrown into Caseman's cell
as a fellow terrorist? That he won't tell us about
German plan? And so Holmes allows him. First they have
(29:30):
to beat out of it, cracked rib, black eye, broken tooth,
stucked into a cell at Brixton Prison with Roger Casement
soon to be hanged, and Roger Caseman tells him a
strange story, and that story is that there's a secret
plan that Germany has to win the war in twelve weeks.
The only problem is Caseman doesn't know what the plan is,
(29:53):
or if he does, he's not trusting Gibeon Altamont, his
Holmes's spy million enough to tell it to it. And
so m wants homes and wants it to go to
America and try to learn what this plan is. And
what they soon find out is that it revolves around
a coded telegram. And that's all you're gonna get out
(30:14):
of there.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
We're exciting Hell. A telegram from help folks.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
You're just going to have to buy the book at
the Garden District book Shop on September third, when Nicholas
Meyer is coming in to sign books and speak on
Sherlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell. He's joining by
via phone link from Los Angeles with Hi McHenry and
Christopher Tidmore on this edition of The Founder Show. And Nick,
we're so excited to be hosting you at twenty seven
to twenty seven Britannia at the corner of Washington and Britannia.
(30:39):
These are the shameless plugs I'm giving for.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Go, which of course have even the Trukies need to
be there.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
We need to have And that's a good perfect segue.
I know the reason why we're partners into Nicholas Meyer.
And of course you know we have the new bar
in the bookstore which is open every night till eight pm.
You can come in, have a cocktail, read a book.
But that is side Chris.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Wait a minute, now, I'm should we have someone from
the nu Orleance opera being well, let we talk about that.
But wait, wait, I wanted to say something now, Nicholas,
I've had three combat tours, and my background US Army
Special Forces. I was a counter intelligence agent with him.
I have a top secret clearance at CI. So all
this is very fascinating. I mean, you mentioned World War One,
how terrible it was. I'm also a student of war.
(31:20):
I've been reading it and studying war since i was
a little kid. My father made was World War One
and World War Two veteran, and so I have it
deeply entrenched in my family and my own heart and
mind and whatnot. I loved the military, loves soldiers, marines, airmen,
and sailors. And but one of the things she pointed,
and you made a good point of this, I believe
I'm convinced. After all my study and research of war,
(31:41):
by far the worst war America was ever in was
World War One. I don't think there was ever a
more horrible and terrible war where the soldiers suffered the
most than World War One, unless perhaps the Civil War.
And that's I just wanted to make that point because
this is you know, the setting is World War One.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
In this You're tell from hell.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
One of the things that I observe the collapse of
American education. We don't teach anything anymore.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
No, they don't.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
It's a joke kind of you know, trade knowledge, technical knowledge.
We don't teach civics. I don't. I don't know what
that's all about. We don't teach it. And we don't
teach history. And somebody said, I think it was the
philosopher of Santana who George Santana's, Yes, do not learn
the lesson that history teaches. Are condemned to repeat those
(32:29):
And I think World War one, World War all this
stuff gets very quickly lost in the mists of time,
and so we wind up making the same mistakes again
and again and again.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
A lot of it has to do with the leadership,
you know, Eisenhower's military industrial complex issue I called big
brother government. They love war and they know how to
deceive the people, and that's one reason. And they they
keep us from the hip by design, so we won't.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Learn from history.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And that's why we keep doing the same dumb thing
over and over and overall.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Never never ascribed to conspiracy what simple ignorance will explain,
but I will.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But remember, I'm sure disagrees with you on.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
It, on that, on that, Nicholas Meyer, if I may
take a quick segue, because a lot of people are
like when I, when I told a few of my
friends I was having Nicholas Meyron to say, you have
a fan community amongst movie amongst movie buffs in general
and sci fi buffs in particular, is the understatement of
the century. But you said something that just struck me.
(33:30):
A lot of your work in the film industry has
been kind of on that lesson that you're using historical
parallels and you're showing them that these are lessons that
have been experienced before and not and certainly comes up
in your Star Trek work, you know, And I was
curious if you could comment for the many many Star
Trek fans and the many many film fans you have,
(33:53):
you know, how your film experience has influenced your writing
in The Sharlot.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well Life is Strange in case you hadn't noticed it.
I came out to California from New York because I
was in love with movies and I wanted movies, and
I got lucky. Somebody recommended a general to Napoleon and said,
this guy's very good general. And Napoleon said, I know
he's good, but is he lucky? And I think luck
(34:19):
plays a big role. I was, not, for example, a
Star Trek fan. I'd never seen it or if I
flashed by it when I was channel surfing, you know,
as a young man, I just kept going. I didn't.
I think it's fair to say that whatever was important
or remarkable or imaginative about the show went right by me.
(34:41):
The fact that it had an interracial cast, that it
had women in positions of power, all of that just
I missed all of that. I didn't stick around long enough,
you know. I was impatient, and I looked at the
cheesy costumes and I just kept going. And then when
I was starting my career in California and writing movies
(35:05):
of the Week and just beginning I got to write
and direct well the Seven Percent Solution became a movie,
and I sold the rights condition that I write the screenplay.
And then the screenplay for The Seven Percent Solution was
nominated for an aust and so now I had some
kind of credibility. So when I wrote Time after Time,
(35:28):
which was my HG. Wells versus Jack the Ripper sci.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Fi, yeah, I love.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
That was my directing debut and HG.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Wells in nineteen eighty San Francisco still remain Yeah, and
one of the greatest juxtapositions of time I've ever seen.
In my aside, I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Going to do that when you're writing fiction, case.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Say that it was not my idea. I think I'm
more a pillager of other people's ideas.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
We all do that. We all do that along.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Well. Art is a history of cut and paste, right.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
And for those who join us, director and author Nicholas
Myers join us. And so from Time after Time you
went into.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Well what happened was at the end of that A
friend of mine, who was an executive at paramount Is,
Karen Moore, suggested that I go and meet Harv Bennett,
a producer who was on the lot at Paramounts. He
had been assigned to produce the second Star Trek movie,
(36:34):
and I said, gee, is that's the one with the
man with twenty years and.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
She's don't be such anob His nickname was Sherlock, by
the way, logic logic.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Well, I went and met Harve Bennett, the producer, and
I liked him very much, and showed me the first movie,
and he showed me the episodes, and his job was
to get a second Star Trek movie made and not
to have a runaway production because the first one cost
forty five million dollars in nineteen seventy nine and they
(37:10):
weren't going to give anybody that kind of money to
do another one. So he showed me all this stuff
and I started thinking about it, and I guess I
thought about it before, but I thought, jeeus reminds me
of something that I that I do understand that or
think I understand and really love. Were these books that
I read about the same age that I read Sherlock,
(37:33):
which was the Adventures of Captain Horatio Hornblower. Hornblower being
an English captain in the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars,
and he had a girl in every port.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Of course, and he was the influence for as it
turns out Captain Kirk Gene Runberg.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Well, anyways, you know, I stumbled on that. I, you know,
like everything, I sort of enter backwards apologized, and so
I thought, oh, this is Hornblower in outer space. I
can do that. And so I got the gig to
direct the movie, of course, and they had five scripts
(38:13):
and I'm sorry, and they none of those scripts were
satisfying anybody. And I asked to read them, and I
plowed through them. I'm a very slow reader. And then
I said, well, why don't we make a list. Why
don't make a list of anything we like in these
five scripts. Could be the major plot, it could be
(38:34):
a subplot. It could be a sequence, it could be
a scene, it could be a character, it could be
line of dialogue. I don't care what it is. Let's
just make that list. And then how about I try
to write a new script and incorporate as many of
these things on our laundry list as we all agree on.
And basically they said, well, that won't work because unless
(38:56):
we have a screenplay in twelve days, the special effects
house can't guarantee us the shots in time for the
June opening. And I said, what, what's June opening, and
they said, well, we booked the pictures of June on
June something something. I said, you you, that's only the
second movie ever directed. I said, you booked the movie
(39:18):
into theaters and that there's no movie, and he said, well,
that's the way it's always done.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
And so you came up, as it turns out to
what is arguably, though I will easily say, the greatest
Star Trek movie ever made. You brought con Union sing
into back Intocardo Montabon back into it. And it's not
it's not a Star Trek movie. It's an icon of culture.
The movie, the Scream of con out of the Out
(39:45):
of the Genesis Planetoid from James Kirk remains the definition
of the idea of vengeance brought forth in a movie.
And Nicholas Meyer, I can't tell you how much we
We're almost out of time, so I do want to
plug again. You're going to be with us on September
third at the Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven,
Pertenna with your new book Shaw Colmbs and the Telegram
(40:07):
for Hell, and you're going to be signing copies talking
about it. We look forward to seeing you and for
more information go on the website to Gardendstrict Bookshop dot com.
Thankles Mayer, thank you so much for joining us here
on the Founder Show.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Thanks Nicholas, this is great. I can't wait to meet you.
It's been a privileged Yes, Sir god Bleach.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Thank you much, and folks will be back with the
patriotic moment right up for these important messages. Stay tuned.
The opera Tosca opens up to audiences September twenty seventh
at seven thirty pm and September twenty ninth at two
thirty pm. For more information, go to New Orleans Opera
dot org. New Orleans Opera dot org.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
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forty percent. We are committed to meet this need through
(41:07):
the work being done at the New Orleans Mission. We
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Partner with us today. Go to www dot New Orleansmission
(41:27):
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seven nine four eight.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Have you ever been to the opera?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yes, but never enough, only a few times. I've got
to get going again, Christopher Well.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I got to tell you most people don't realize New
Orleans is the birthplace of opera in North America. I'm
starting here in seventeen ninety six, and the New Orleans,
the French opera House opened to New Orleans in one
hundred and sixty five years ago, and one hundred and
thirty years ago. Basically, we were the place where all
the operas are premiering. There's a new opera.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
We were the Broadway of America.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
We were, And the new opera that is premiering is
Tosca on September twenty seventh at seven thirty pm and
September twenty ninth at two thirty pm. We're going to
be there, folks. You need to go check this out.
We've got internationally renowned stars that are coming in playing it.
Check out more information at New Orleans Opera dot org.
New Orleans Opera dot orgy. You've never been to the opera.
(42:22):
Their tickets available now forty dollars a person. They are
really cheap. I'm talking the front section, right right near
the stage.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Folks are a hot Italian romance.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
It is about an opera singer in Rome name of Tosca.
It is an exciting remember they got the subtitles up there.
It's going to be a whole evening, a little evening
in Italy here in New Orleans. Check them out the
evening of September twenty seventh at seven thirty pm and
September twenty ninth, for those that don't want to go
out at night for two thirty pm over at the
(42:52):
Mahia Jackson Theater at Armstrong Park. Parking is amply available
right nearby. Check out more information at New Orleans Opera
dot org. That's New Orleans Opera dot o.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Rg oss.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, folks, who are back and you are listening to
the Founder's show, and it is not time for us
to go into our chaplain by bah patriotic moment. We
just take a brief moment to remind you of the
biblical foundations of our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And
today we're going to talk about none other than Teddy Roosevelt,
my wife, Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
We've done him.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Before, but I thought it was apropos because Teddy Roosevelt
was once a chief of police, the superintendent of all
the police in New York City, and he was quite
a sleuth. He was quite a Sherlock's Holmes himself. Before
he was a vice president and then the president. And
so let's hear the wisdom of Teddy Roosevelt, one of
the greatest presidents of America's ever had. You know, he
(43:56):
said that a thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth
more than a college education.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
And he also said, I reverently invoke for my guidance
the direction in favor of Almighty God. I think Teddy
rose and I really had a really strong belief and
dependence upon his creator. He knew how important it was
to depend on God in government, he said. He went
on to say, every thinking man, when he thinks, realizes
(44:25):
that the teachings of the Bible are so interrooven and
intertwined with our whole civic and social life that it
would be literally impossible for us to figure ourselves what
that life would be. If these standards were removed, we
would lose almost all the standards by which we now
(44:47):
judge both public and private morals. That means, you know,
government when he said public, and all the standards toward
which we, with more or less resolutions, strive to raise ourselves.
That's where America was back then, folks. And of course
you can clearly see that's where Teddy Roosevelt was truly
a great man of God. Well, folks, where are you?
(45:09):
And miss are you a person of God? A man
or a woman of God?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Would you like to be?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, I'm gonna show you how you can, as we
now go into our chaplain by by a gospel moment
where again I just take a brief moment.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
To show you how you can know that you know that,
you know you're saved.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
From a burning hell and guaranteed everlasting life. And I
sure wish Old Sherlock could be here to analyze all
this right now. I think he'd find it quite interesting,
as he applied his sleuthful ways of investigations and interrogations
and in as a remarkable detective that he was. You know,
(45:46):
the Bible is a book of it's a mystery book.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It really is. There's a whole lot of mystery that
there's a whole lot of work for a detective.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Do is if you would apply the analytical deductive mind
of Sherlock Holmes throughout the Bible, he would be fascinated
to find out what you would discover. So let's see
what we can discover right now about how do we
know we're going to heaven and.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Save from a burning hell?
Speaker 4 (46:09):
We just talked about a book that said something about Hell,
and earlier in the show. Hell's a terrible place, folks,
don't It's where you don't ever want to go. Do
you know that Jesus preached more about Hell than he
did about Heaven. Our precious Rabbi Jesus y Shuahamashiah, you
know that's his heat. That was the way they would
have pronounce his name. They called him Rabbi yes Shuah
how Mchia two thousand years ago in Hebrew, folks, this
(46:31):
is what Jesus said. He said that Hell was a
terrible place. It was a place of great fire, great torment.
He preached more about Hell than he did about heaven.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Was he a meaning?
Speaker 6 (46:43):
No?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
He didn't want you going there. He wants you going
to heaven. So he did everything he could to warn
you about the dangers of your eternity in damn nation.
He didn't want you to go to hell because he
loves you, He loves all of us, folks, and so
this is what you need to know. He told, a
very religious man wants this message, this very religious man,
(47:05):
and he gave him a message that didn't have a
whole lot of religion in it. He told this man
he had to be born again. And this highly religious
man founded a rabbinical school, which almost there were only
a couple of rabbinical schools, a few of them. He
was one of the finer of his name's Nicodemus. He's
in John chapter three in the Book of John and
the Bible. He said, you must be born again. Oh
(47:25):
my goodness, what does that mean? Well, the word born
again means that your dead and dying spirit becomes fully
alive when you realize the great love of God for you,
the great redemption God has for you, the great salvation
God has of you from a burning hell. He told
him this so that he could learn how to be
born again. He said, for God's soul loved the world.
(47:48):
That's you, that's everybody. For God so loved the world
that he gave his only begotten son. That's the Lord
Jesus Christ. He's perfect God, perfect man, all the way
God and all the way Man. He gave his only
begotten son. That whosoever that's you again believeth in him. Well,
what do you believe in? I mean, if they believe
in somebody, you got to know what are you believing?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Right? Well, this is what you have to believe.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
The scripture says, the Gospel is the power of God
into salvation.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
And it tells what the gospel. That word gospel means
good news.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
The gospel is the power of God of salvation to
whosoever believeth And this is the gospel. Before I declare
to you the gospel. One greeen is fifteen. That Christ
died for all of your sins. I mean, from the
day you're born, in the day you die, your tiniest
to your greatest sins, all your sins, folks, he died
for them all. He paid for them all. He died
for all your sins. According to scripture, he was buried,
(48:34):
and then he rose again from the dead. According to
the scription. Now that's plain and simply the gospel. It's
that simple death barrel resurrection. Jesus kept saying, repent and
believe that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but
have everlasting life. You'll be saved from hell. I guaranteed heaven.
But Jesus did say repent, repent and believe this. So
(48:54):
what is the word repentance? Things, Well, it's part of
your faith. Think of your faith as a two sided coin,
and one side of repentancy, the side is childlike faith,
faith alone and Christ alone. You see repentances when you
believe you cannot save yourself, Religion says you can. You
see that very religious man. Nicodemus was trying all kinds
of stuff to save himself, but nothing seemed to be working.
(49:17):
And that's why he went to Jesus. He could see
Jesus had the answers that comes out in the text.
He wanted to know, who are you? How do you
know all the how can you do all these things?
And Jesus told him you must be born again. Nicodemus
god it. By the way, he became a great follower
of Christ. Will you also become a follower of Christ.
Like Nicodemus did, he realized finally all his religion would
(49:38):
never get him to heaven, no matter what he did,
his prayers, his good works, turned from his sins, all
the things we think we.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Got to do to help God out.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
On the cross right, that's never gonna help God. It
only gets in his way.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
So just quit give it up. You don't need to
do all that, and with childlike.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Faith, believe that Jesus really did die for our sins,
was buried and rose from the dead. Believe it right now.
The scripture says now today is the day of salvation.
And like the old country preacher said, don't wait till
it's too late, folks, Please turn to Jesus right now.
Turn from trusting in yourself. That's repentance. Quit thinking you're
(50:15):
going to be able to do something to help God out.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
You're not.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
You're just not good enough. So forget it. Scripture, that's
all of your rights to so it's filthy rags. And
when you do that, you're free, finally, totally free to
put faith alone in Christ. Alone, with childlike faith, believe
that He really did die for all your sins and
rosa dead if you've never done before, do it now? Well, folks,
there's something else we got to do now because we're
in that time. Well, I'm talking about the end of
(50:39):
this age, and boy wouldn't Charlock love to do an
investigation on this. Do you know that there are over
two hundred prophecies, mysteries and the scripture that predict Jesus's
second coming, over two hundred. There were over one hundred
for his first coming, over two hundred for a second coming.
Does that mean the second coming may be more important
than the first? I don't know, but iarantee you there's
(51:00):
a look at the emphasis on it. He had to
come the first time if you did, and the second
time wouldn't have worked. So the first time is certainly
very important. And that's where he redeemed us, so we
could be with him in heaven forever, folks. But he
is coming back, and you need to know that. Jesus
put great emphasis on it. Is all of that discourse.
He said, when you see all these things coming together,
(51:22):
that's when I'm returning. Now they have to all come
together at the same time. There's so many signs, there
are wars, ruins of wars, pestile and says you name it.
But there's certain things that have never happened before, like
knowledge would increase. We've never seen knowledge increase as it
is right now earthquakes all around the world. Never seen
an increase in earthquakes. Suck we're having right now. You
look at the geological record and see that folks is
(51:45):
or wasn't in the land. Now they're in the land
that only could only happen once again. This is the
third time they're back. By the way, no other nation's
ever done that. Once a nation or an ethnic group
gets kicked out of their land, they never come back.
It's over with except for the Jewish people. You think
maybe God's hand has something to do with that. You
think maybe God's involved with that. I think so, I know.
So folks, So, ladies and gentlemen, get ready, because Jesus
(52:10):
is coming back soon. All those two hundred plus prophecies
have just bought every last one of them come true,
wouldn't Sherlock Holmes will like to solve this mystery because
it is a mystery. Jesus is going to come back.
I'm coming back covertly, I'm coming back like a thief
in the night. People aren't going to be ready for me,
he says most people, But he says, we believers, we
can know because we see the signs. We're studying the signs,
(52:33):
just like oh Sherlock would have been doing. And guess
what we can get the time downe not the day
or the hour, not the precise time, but certainly the season.
And that season is now upon us.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Folks. I hope you're ready.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
You need a bunker, by the way, I think, because
things are going to get really bad. And I'm going
to recommend a bunker company for you. It's called the
Jesus Christ Cooperation for Bunkers. And guess what it's going.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
To cost you. It's free. It's free. So go to
Jesus right now. Believe that he really did die for
all your since was bad and Wilsemon dead. And I
guarantee you, because the Bible guarantees.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
You, you will be safe from burning hell, you will be
guaranteed heaven, and you will be ready for when Jesus
comes back at a very exciting and hot time for
the old planet Earth. So it's not time for us
to close. As we close with a mont Saint Martin
singing a creole goodbye, and God.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Bless all out there to call you weel goodbye.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
We just wasted time, all three, Sivy, there's time for
a creo goodbye.
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