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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bide holes.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The politicians addressed, the digitators and magicians. Who's to see
the money? Then you don't, there's nothing to fill the
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the politicians bouncing down the road, every bider'sition to no
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more corruption and dysfunction. It's gone on table. Divine its avention.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And God bless all out there. You are now listening
to the founders show the voice of the founding fathers.
You're Founding Fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Baghasy,
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on the Eagles Branch. This is none other. Then you
spend gary by by the republic Chaplain high mcinery.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
With Christopher Tidmury.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You're having a report a resident radical monert and associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a little
break from regular politics, though we might go a little
further afield, and we're going to talk a little bit
of history with what I have in my humble but
very accurate opinion, is one of the best stories of
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historical fiction written with the speculative nature that has come out.
If you're interested in Russian history, which is a prime issue,
especially right now with the ukrain War, if you're interested
in the Romanov family their tragic deaths and how that
could have been averted.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And if you're interested.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
In Theodore Roosevelt his influence in US politics even after
he ran for president the third time, and what could
have happened after the First World War?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Do we have the book for you the roman authorsing
nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And if there perhaps was a wild child Romanov who
decided to take off and save the family, could that
have happened well?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And it's kind of the issue of what could what
could have happened? And the three offers of Romano The
Romanov Rise in nineteen nineteen are joining us here. They
are doing an event at the Garden District book Shop
twenty seven to twenty seven, Britannia on on Tuesday, December
tenth at six pm. The event is free and open
to the public. If you do want to reserve your book,
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you can at Gardendistrict bookshop dot com because we have
a limited edition hardbacks that will be signed and personalized,
so there's only so many of them. You want to
go to the website, but it costs nothing to come
to the event. And here and here Justin and talk
on behalf of his this but let's bring the three
authors in that of course is Tom Kratman, Justin Watson
and Casey Ezell and guys, welcome. This is the second
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book in this series, but we're actually selling both books together.
But this idea that you had and it started off well,
Justin and Casey have done so much Yeoman works much
work on this time. It was kind of a germinating
idea if I remember correctly that you came together of
a simple question of an actual plan.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That exists in history.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
You talk about in the first book to save the
Romanovs on the German General staff. So set us up
for the second book just a little bit. For those
who might not have read the first book, you don't
actually have to read the first book to read the
second book. That's what's interesting about this series. You catch
up what's pretty guys. But basically we came within inches
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of the Romanovs being saved by the Germans by all people.
Can you talk about that and why how this almost happened?
Because you talk about it extensively in the Romanov Rescue.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It didn't almost happen. It could have happened.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
And the point of divergence for the original alternate history
is a guy named Max Hoffin turned left instead.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Of right on his nightly walk and brestle time.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Quite literally, he turned left. And this is not like
a metaphor. He was walking one path, he turned he
turned left instead of right. What happened when he turned
left instead of right?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
He found five Bolshevik's about to rape a young teenage girl,
and he and his aide killed them save the girl.
And that started into thinking, oh, no, no, no, We've
got to get rid of these people while we can.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, and that's and and so this formulates a plan
that he begins to that actually is part of the
historical record of trying to rescue the Romanov family, which
of course was a priority of Kaiser Wilhelm. This was just,
you know, for all the fighting between Germany and Russia.
After all, Zara Nicholas is his first cousin. This is
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not like this is a distant family relation.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And but in World War One. In World War One
it worked in his advance. Well, but he the Russians
to be out of the war.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
But it's this is the interesting thing. The Russians at
this point in history are out of the war. And
in the first book you talk about this rescue attempt,
but without giving away too much of the plot, since
there's the section that's it's not completely successful, and justin
you you write about this when when this was rescue
temp it goes wrong. And so essentially at the dawn
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of the second book, you're in a situation where not
the eldest daughter, but the daughter that is most dominant
in the family, because the eldest daughter Oglis killed is
has essentially had to become czarina of this what what's
starting off?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
This town?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
She's she's arena of the Russia's but she's basically in
this town with a few loyalist troops in the middle
of nowhere. How do they defeat the overwhelming Motionalvics who
are controlling all of this j just let's let's let'
let's bring Casey into this, right, So the.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Thing about Tassiana at this point in her life is
she's actually a really young woman and at a time
in her life, and I think she was like nineteen
or something like that, and at a time and you
know when our modern nineteen year olds are going off
to college or starting or whatever really sort of figuring
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out who they are. The thing is is that Tatiana
is also going through that. So a large part of
the first book, in her interludes and sort of reflections,
are she's really asking herself a lot of questions, one
of which is what has gone wrong here?
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Right?
Speaker 8 (06:20):
Is what has led us to this?
Speaker 9 (06:22):
And she comes to some conclusion.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
What we mean by that for those that don't know
Casey is what you're talking about in the first book.
The Romanoff rescue is by the end of the book,
you know, we're not given away.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You have to set it up.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Not only have the Bolsheviks taken off and her family
has been an exile, but essentially her father, her brother, mother, brother,
and eldest sister have all been killed. But she by
because of the jewels that was sewn into her outfit.
This is very much in the historical record, and it happened,
and there was rescue. She and her two youngest sisters
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managed to survive. That's there's a lot more to this
story in the first book, but that's kind of what's happening.
So and it took many attempts to kill them in
our actual history because of the jewels sewn into their
outfits acted sort of like a bulletproof vest. In this case,
they didn't get a second chance to kill them, and
so they survive. Where as her family, the story of
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her brother Alex says even more things. We won't go into
that right now, but essentially she's the survivor with her
two younger sisters.
Speaker 10 (07:25):
Go ahead, correct, yes, yeah, So as we move into
nineteen nineteen Romanov Rising, you know, she's in this position
where she's got to figure out she's got to take
all of that information and figure out, Okay, as Zarina of.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
The Russia is, who do I want to be and
how can I avoid the same pitfalls that my parents
fell into in terms of being disconnected with the people,
not knowing, you know, living in this blinder's on privileged
autocratic life and being really sort of divorced from, you know,
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the Russian people that were supposed to be leading.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And I thought there was a very link. I thought
there was a very powerful line you wrote. Casey as hell.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It was basically she's talking and talking about, you know
where one of the soldiers she's talking who's a private,
and there's a said, well you own Russian says now
I feel like Russia owns me, which was kind of
an interesting perspective on how what this this sort of
price it is? And you've spent a lot of time
looking at the historical in our record and you and
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you're creating her as if she survives the assassination. Basically
the Bolsheviks attempts as to assassinat her in this wonderful
new book of alternate history speculative fiction called the Romanov
Rising in nineteen nineteen. Is this something that would have
Is she tell us about the person of history that
you based her surviving character on? Is she this kind
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of person who had asked these questions? Tantaniel Romanov?
Speaker 7 (08:58):
So uh, I mean, yes, right, the person that she
becomes the character that I wrote, and that I mean
because it wasn't.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Just me, right, it was it was also my co authors.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
We all had had pieces of it, but the character
that we wrote, Tom had one directive at the very
beginning of this project, and that was that the only
real thing that we could change was the point of departure,
the turning left instead of right.
Speaker 8 (09:24):
Everything else had to logically flow from that.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
So I took a look at what we knew of
Tatiana and also her sisters, because, especially in in this
book nineteen nineteen Romanov Rising, I wrote some significant sections
about her younger sisters that also survived, Anastasia and Maria
as well.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
In this book, Anastasia really does live. You know, it's
it's it's not a Disney story. She actually is a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah really, yeah, but there was great movie.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
But and what we did was we took a.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Look at at what the historical record of who they
were as children and as and as young adolescents, because
believe it or not, there actually is quite a bit
of documentation about, you know, sort of their daily life
and and and who they were and how how they
interacted with one another. For example, Tom's really fond of
pointing out that the other children, all of the Romano
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children collectively, often referred to Tatiana as the governess because
she really was, as you said, the most dominant personality.
She was the one who kept them in line, and
she was the one who made sure that they you know,
she was the Bossy's second sister basically, and and so
we took that, We took those those seeds and sort of,
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I mean, all three of us are parents, right, all
three of us have experience leading younger people, and so
we took those experiences and those perspectives and extrapolated, Okay,
here's a here's a young woman who's been through this
incredible trauma.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
She's lost half of.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Her family, and now she's in this position where it's like,
you know, she may the entirety of her of the
well being of her people, as far as she is concerned,
rests upon her shoulders and her decisions.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Who is she going to be?
Speaker 9 (11:09):
How is she going to be the kind of person
that they need her to be?
Speaker 8 (11:12):
And who is that?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And so and then actually she's asking a bigger question too,
Can Russia be a country that's not an autocracy? Because
she specifically does not take the oath to be an autocrat,
which is the difficult she took to know. If to
serve the Russian Empire, can it become a constitutional monarchy?
Is essentially what she's thinking, And she's asking, So she's
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asking the kind of questions Casey Isel that a lot
of historians are asking. You guys are asking in this
new book, The Roman auth Rising nineteen nineteen. For those
that want to find out more about the book, but
also come to hear Justin Watson, whom I'm about to
bring on speak about all of this. He's going to
be appearing live in person, signing books and lecturing on
Russian history and the lessons from that time and today
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and these incredible books, and talking and meeting people people
at the Garden District Bookshop at six pm Tuesday, December tenth,
and we hope you can join us. It's free and
open a public Just show up, have a drink, listen
to the book Justin if I can bring you into
this conversation, it's militarily the situation you're describing, a lot
of historians are like, well, you know, the Bolsheviks were
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already by the time the Romanovs were killed, they were
already in power and all this, Except that's not really
the situation. It was a very situation in flux. In fact,
it takes almost more belief in alternate history to realize
how the Bolsheviks won so overwhelmingly than the situation that
existed at the time, And that's what you're speculating. If
there had been somebody to rally around, the history of
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Russia and the rest of the planet would have been
very different. And can you talk about the jew For
those that say, well, this is alternate history that you're
writing about, that's not really serious. You guys are examining
the history and saying, wait a second, it would have
taken literally the survival of any of these girls, especially
this one, to rally Russia and the history everything that
happened thereafter is farm and different because Russia wasn't naturally
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going to become a communist state.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Can you talk about that happily?
Speaker 11 (13:08):
And I'm sure Tom will want to chime in after
I've had my peace on this one. I will say
you summarized a lot of it very well, Christopher. The
biggest problem the White Russian space was unity of command.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You look at their advantages.
Speaker 11 (13:22):
The White Russian army as it stood, had the vast
majority of the trained military officers and the best of
the mid level and senior officers on their side, right,
so there's an advantage in personnel. They had the support
of the Allied nations to some degree, although that support
was erratic and it always comes with strings, right, But
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they do have materiel is in their advantage early in
the war. Later on they would lose that advantage.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
From nineteen eighteen through nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
All the calculus really favors the White Russian army as
it is that don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I know, this is basic history. The White Russians were
the ones who opposed the communist and they had that.
Some were both many, yeah, there somewhere Monicas, some were Republicans,
but they all opposed Lenin.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And there were also other groups that was the Green
Russians and the Black Russians, and they all represented something
about Russia that uh, you know, was support for what
they wanted out of it, continued Jessla Yah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Of course, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
So the White Russian the overarching conflict, you know, you
could say the White Russians versus the Red Russians is
probably the pivotal conflict of the Russian Civil War. But
another way to look at the Russian Civil War is
kind of as a series of overlapping and interlocking wars
that spreads from Poland and Finland and the West all
the way to the Pacific, sometimes spilling over into Mongolia
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and China, encompassing all of what would become the Soviet States.
And you know, I don't know if that was High
or Christopher who mentioned the Black and Green Russians. Do
you have you do have these other combatant factions. The
Green Russians are essentially bands of local militias and farmers
of it that were yeah and that were shooting at
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reds or whites whenever they showed up. They were just basically,
to various degrees of complexity, trying to maintain local autonomy
and avoid the depredations of either the whites or the Bolsheviks.
The Black Russians were largely Ukrainian anarchists under a man
named Nester Macknow, who ended up fighting against both both
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against and with the Bolsheviks, only to end up being
betrayed by them and subsumed and either driven out of
their homeland or killed or imprisoned for life. By and large,
so it is a very very broad, complex war that
is spreading across two continents and involves, you know, a
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lot more than just Russia, right, the United States, Britain, France.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Japan all sent thousands of troops into this conflict.
Speaker 11 (15:56):
With really odd and conflicting and so sometimes nearly nonsensical
rules of engagement and objectives, very very complicated. We haven't
really gotten to that into too much deputy in the
books books as well.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Wellt me Let's that's that's a good place to bring
Tom into this conversation because what I found fascinating for
those who's joining Hi McHenry, Christopher Tidmore. Here in the
Founder Show, we're talking to the three authors of a
new book. It's called The romanof Rising nineteen nineteen. It
is second in the series. We're having both books presented
at the Garden District Bookshop.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's about there.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's alternate history, but heavily these are wonderful historical novels
that ask a very simple question about one simple change
in history that almost happened, and what would have happened
if one of the Roman offs was able to survive
and be a rally. And what was interesting is just
as you're reading in the first book, all through this
about the Roman Office and about their inter relations and
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so what's happening in the urals and when it's all
this get in the second book, you're reading it and
then Tom you immediately you're kind of flashing around the
world situation and one of the daughters, of course, is
coming to America. And a key player in this entire
thing is one of the great what ifs, is what
happens to what happens to Theodore Roosevelt? Because these butterflies,
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as we like to say, an alternate history affected. He
is a little bit more of a figure because his
son survives, and what happened if Theodore Roosevelt was at
his full power? You're asking this question. It's actually very
explained in the book why this happens. What would have
happened with the intervention in Russia, because that's what we
start talking about. All these soldiers that are going home.
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George Patton is one of the characters that you're dealing
with here. Set it up for what would have happened
if there was a more coherent idea of sending soldiers
in support from the West.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, everybody, as justin mentioned, everybody sent troops, just about
to include the Japanese actually sent troops. What's different here
is because we saved Quentin Roosevelt. Because Anastasia in traveling
across the United States, falls in love with the United
States that we have her in the position to more
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or less morally blackmailed Congress into helping Imperial Russia.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
This is great scene.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
When you ever testified before Congress that it just was
case I want you to get into that if you would,
please but continue, Tom, please.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Well Justine, but both you and Justin alluded to what
a close run thing it really was.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I'll give you a seventy three year after the event
marker of just how really close it was. Look At
how quickly the Orthodox Church came back as seen as
the USSR fell true.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It shows the fundamental you know, the need for God well,
but also the fundamental Russian culture that survived throughout the
things underminding because the Russian Orthodox Church is they keep
part of this.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
They had to submit to the Bolsheviks atheism at the
point of a gun, but they had their fingers crossed
goes deep down, they really were still believe it in
God well.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And gentlemen, I want to brank the public in Casey
hissy Zl, Tom Krapman, Justin Watson. I've got to take
a quick commercial break, but when we come back, I
want to actually continue talking about the Romanov Rising nineteen
nineteen hour event that's going to happen at the Garden
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to talk about the lessons you learned from writing these
incredible works of both history and speculative history, and kind
of we might even be able to see that some
of what's happening today, well, history might not repeat itself.
Occasionally it echoes and because you do, after all, send
troops to the crimea some of these books, so it
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kind of gets interesting. We'll be back, folks with all
this talking about the Romanov Rescue ninety nineteen with him
mc henry and Christopher Tidmore here in the Founder show.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Right after these important.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Messages and a little bit more about one of the
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of the Roosevelt who plays a major role with Casey.
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Speaker 4 (23:33):
This is chap On Hei Mgemry with Christopher tid Moore,
and we're joined by the three authors of The romanof
Rising nineteen nineteen, Tom Kratman, Justin Watson, Casey Azel and Casey.
One of the things that we're talking about this fantastic
new work of speculative fiction. It's an alternate history, folks,
but it's a heavily researched historical novel essentially that has
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one small change, and the small change has a lot
of effects, but mostly is that the survival the three
youngest Romanov daughters of the three grand duchesses, the princesses.
If you will of the Russian Empire survive. In Casey,
you're writing about these three young women, and there's an
incredibly powerful moment. So the Titanya has stays in Russia.
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She is, she's the Tsarina. She's actually has the most
interesting in the first book Coronation I've ever seen, where
she asked does they don't have any of the crown jewels?
So it ends up using a grenade as orb and
the whole thing. It's really a fascinating look at her
fitting at that time and his. She decides to save
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her that her sisters both have a situation where they're
in danger, and at the same time she needs representatives
because it's not like she's got a whole government. She's
got a small group of soldiers. So she's getting them
out of the country to meet up with their grandmother
Dagmar and take them originally to England, but by getting
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there they have to go all the way across side Biberia,
go across the Pacific, and they end up on the
West coast. And an interesting thing happens because in the
course of this, one of the soldiers, one of the airmen,
who was supposed to be on the Western Front, is
part of this rescue operation. This would have been They
traced this very historically, so that means Quentin Roosevelt, the
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son of Theodore Roosevelt, faces two fighters rather than one,
and he survives, and that has a rather laudable effect
on his father, Theodore Roosevelt, who plays a major role
in the story. Can you talk about how history would
have been different if Theodore Roosevelt was at the height
of his powers, not grieving for his son and with
the Russian Revolution, because you talk about that and the
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sort of extortion the youngest Romanov daughter does before Congress,
Can you start about that?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (25:48):
So gosh, where to start?
Speaker 7 (25:50):
So Tom alluded to it in the first segment when
he said that as she's traveling across the United States, Anastasia,
I'm just Romanov daughter who small spoiler at this point,
she knows that she's going to have a very significant.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Role to play in her sister's government.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Funny continued, that was a great movie. Some people, some
people don't understand the reference. Don't pay no attention to
the minister behind the continued Jaysey.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
Place she's going to so she she is paying attention
right to what does the United States look like.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
And she really she finds it very interesting.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Because I just so people know, and this is part
of history. All the Romanov children grew up their first
language growing up at home was English. So it's not
like she has an English problem.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
It was a Queen Victoria maybe it was.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It was it was they were that was the that
was the language, that was the language her parents had
in common, and so so they actually her mother spoke
English better than Russian or anything else.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And so they grew up in that, even French the
language of the they grew up.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
So she spoke English without an accent. Let's just explain that,
or virtually none to one. She spoke English a native
So go ahead.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Yeah, she well, she she spoke English. She spoke British English.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Right, So, but she as she's traveling across the United States,
she she notices that the American people and the Russian
people actually have quite a few similarities to their culture,
to their outlook on things to you know, all of
this is informed by the fact that both nations are
quite literally huge, you know, in area, in resources, in population,
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et cetera.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
And so she she she knows that part of her
part of her mission as given.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
To her by her sister is to you know, look
for ways of creating connections and alliances. The most traditional
way of doing so is, of course, for a princess,
is by marriage.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
And I was playing with a couple of things here.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
One of the really interesting things about this time period
for me is that this is this is a almost
I mean, this World War One time frame, the early
twentieth century is an apocalyptic turning point for history. And
I use the word apocalyptic deliberately, not just to refer
to the the incredible destruction of the war, which was massive,
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of course, but also in terms of like everything changed.
It was literally the end of the world in society
as the previous generation knew it, because you know, the
the so many of the royal houses of Europe were falling,
Things were changing in the Pacific and in Africa with
you know, colonization rising and falling and changing, and and
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and and the rise of the United States is.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
A world economic power, you know, was was going on
around this time.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
So there was all corners of the world were going
through this massive change and anesthesia of course as part
of this younger generation, this upcoming generation, who is looking
for how can I how can I utilize this, how
can I influence this change to benefit myself, to benefit
my sister, to benefit my people. And what she realizes
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is that the United States, which is this again rising
power in the world, they love celebrity. And one of
the things that she's sort of trained in as a
as a royal princess is the art of.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Appearance, right, And.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
She's not as skilled in it as some other people
were because of who her mother was and how they
were raised, but she knows of it, she's cognizant of it.
And one of the persons who is very skilled in
it is her grandmother, dad Mark, who was absolutely beloved
of the Russian people.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
And she was a Danish princess who became a beloved Czarena. Correct. Correct.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
And it's also worth noting Tom's brought this up with
us before that for those who joining us, Hi mc
henry and Christopher Tidmore are having the authors of the
Romanov Rising joining us talking about what if after the
First World War, if at least some of the Romanov
daughters had survived, what would happen? And time you've made
the point and I bring justin us the Romanov daughters
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were raised not They were not spoiled girls by any
stretch of the imagination. They all worked as nurses during
the war. They were brought up. These were, if they
were ever princesses that were raised with practical ideas in mind.
It was these, if anything. The only fault, and you
mentioned in the book, is that their father was too
much of a loving father and less of a king
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than they should have been.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
So yeah, and he tried really hard to box, you know,
help the Russian people give them advantages.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
But she addresses it. They're actually quite honest about Zar
about Nicholas in this book. She particularly Titan can continue Tom,
if you went plase.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Tom.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Yeah, I was saying as far as the way they
were raised, the girls took cold bots, they swept their
own floors, they made their own beds.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And they weren't given There was an occasion when Olga
and Tatiana were coming back from the hospital where they
were working, and they decided to go into a store
and they got in there and they realized they didn't
have any money, and if they even if they.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Did have, they didn't know how it worked.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
So it's not like these were rich, spoiled girls. They
were not by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
But you're rich, but they weren't spoiled, right, it's me.
It's a really interesting dichotomy. Yeah, because like Tom said,
they didn't know how many worked because they've never had
to use it before, but that at the same time
they did, they weren't.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
They did their own chores because that's what their mother
and their father how they wanted to raise them.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
They wanted to raise them with simple values, which again
is an interesting experience for you know, arguably the richest.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Family in Europe at the time.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Right.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
So but yes, uh, you asked about Theodore Roosevelt.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So in he plays a major role in your book, and.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
He does because he becomes like a father figure to Anaesthesia.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
It's they I have them meeting at a at a
dinner party in New York, and she finds him a
fascinating character and realizes that he is a resource to
help her understand some of these concepts that she's been
sort of developing in her head as she's toured across
the United States about who are the American people?
Speaker 9 (32:20):
How does democracy? You know, how how can democracy work?
Speaker 7 (32:24):
How can people what would a good new form modern
form of government for this, you know, this rising generation,
this new time.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
In fact, what did that look like when you think
of it? At Roosevelt help in the Russia of Japanese
War and won the Nobel Peace Prize for it, So
she must have been thinking that also.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Absolutely, absolutely yes.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
And then of course he has a handsome aviator son, which.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Plays which plays a role in the book.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Though it's interesting, you'd expect this to read like a
homework novel, Oh we fall in love. No, there's a
lot more practicality in her thought processes about Quentin Roosevelt
than you'd expect this. If you're expecting bridgeton, folks, you're
not going to get it. It's actually a much more
reasonable view. And that's that's one I want to transfer
Justin Watson, you've been quiet through most of this conversation
because you are actually the one who is speaking on Tuesday,
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December tenth at the Garden District book stop at twenty
seven to twenty seven, Britannia.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And I want to ask you a quick question, but
how you got a quick comedy? Yes?
Speaker 9 (33:20):
I do.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Have you all read the book by Ingersoll Lockwood called
a trump collection written around the turn of the century
in a late nineteenth century.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I will confess I have not one of the things
you flip in the book to the Western Front, and
you're dealing and setting up these historical characters who were
fought on the Western Front, and it goes quite depth
about a lot of the book takes place with the
American forces, the American expedition for the Western Front, but
you literally are dealing with them setting up to go
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to Russia, and you deal with a rather small unknown
figure who doesn't play much of a role thereafter, by
the name of George S.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Patten.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Can you small guy us and Douglas MacArthur with by
the way, the best line you cribbed in the book,
You know, Paton looking at MacArthur and saying, you know,
what's the difference between God and Douglas MacArthur. God doesn't
think he's Douglas MacArthur.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
But it was I thought.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But you're you're literally talking about an American intervention in
the war and you bring up the Ukraine, and I
think it's interesting because you're you're setting up this whole
situation that there, while American soldiers would go there, there
was a much there was a discussion going on in
our history about sending a much bigger force basically the
American Expeditionary Force across to the Pacific and then all
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the way to uh to the Crimea, and how close
we came to even a larger role in the Russian Revolution.
And you're about to engage in the in the in
the coming books, but you're basically talking about this situation
that we almost went full force in the Russi Revolution
and history would have been much different. Can you talk
about George Patten in this mindset, because obviously Patton's going
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to go on to advocate something by the Second World
War very similar to what you're having him do after
the First World War.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
So including Patten was I mean, let's face it, it's
kind of a no brainer, right.
Speaker 11 (35:20):
You know, he's commanding the most significant tank one of
the most significant tank forces of.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
World War One.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
If we're going to get into the Russian Civil War
in a serious way, as the United States we have
the tank Brigade there in Western Europe, it is a
logical force to commit to that operation if need be.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So Patten is a.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
He's a I think most people when they think of Batten,
they think.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Of George C. Scott, because George C.
Speaker 11 (35:53):
Scott is absolutely brilliant, and he certainly was had a
huge effect on me.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
As a young man. The historical patent is still worthy
of admiration.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
I'm not I'm not a I'm not a patent hater
by any means, but but he is, you know, like
most people who attain the rank of general, he is
self interested, he is ambitious. But what I found is
getting to contrast him with Douglas MacArthur. Both men are
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possessed of titanic egos. Both men don't lack for battlefield bravery.
I don't think Patton was actually a sociopath.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I kind of think that Doug was.
Speaker 11 (36:35):
I'm based on reading.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It fascinating in the book. It's fantastic, so I had
a lot of fun the characters. There's a lot of
historical figures in there. There's Georgia, George S.
Speaker 11 (36:50):
Patten, as we talked about, William Donovan later Oss Fame
plays a pretty big role in it, Doug mar big
role in it.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
And that's my US Special Forces came out of the Os. Yes, sir,
you are right, that's right. We know all about well
Bill Donovan.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
I think at this point we can say the special
Forces can hold their heads a little higher than Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Absolutely. In fact, and the c I we don't mix
very well. We work together. But I was in in
the safe off and Obama's old safe house. We occupied
that with the c I a n O. Three in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
That you mean Asama, but he said Obama.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I meant Osama. I'm sorry, God, it was so similar.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
No, no, they're not similar. Militant Muslim squad forget, forgive
my give my partner. He knows that they are.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Forgive it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I meant to say, yeah, we're not doing We're not
we're not doing contemporary politics.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
I know.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
But so the room, the room, I'm already writing alternately.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Right the rooman office. Go ahead, continue if you would.
Speaker 11 (37:55):
Summarize real quickly what we're doing with the American chapters
and here is we're letting giving you a chance to
get to know these characters before they're plunged into the
complexities of the Russian Civil War. You mentioned that, you know,
our role in the Russian Civil War could have done
much greater, and I think that's true. This all flows
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from our point of departure, and that the reason I
think the American Expeditionary Force in Siberia under Graves was
probably the most significant force on the ground in Russia.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Under General Graves was given the limited.
Speaker 8 (38:30):
Scope of don't let the Bolsheviks take any.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
War material that we gave the Russians for the Great War,
help the Czech Legion get out of Russia.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
It did a little bit more than that, but by.
Speaker 11 (38:42):
And large it tried to keep to that mission, and
combat with the Reds was somewhat incidental, and they just
as often found themselves in combat with you know, banditry
writ large some of those Green Russian militias had the
White Russian faction had a unifor front right, because while
we recognized Admiral Kolchak as the technical supreme leader of Russia,
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he never truly exercised control over the entire White Russian movement,
not really, not in any meaningful sense. So the emergence
of a unifying figure has huge impacts not only for
Russia's unity of command, but for its viability to its.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Allies, especially the United States.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Justin Watson casey Azell and Tom Kratman have been joining us.
They're talking about their new book, The Romanov Rising nineteen nineteen.
We're having a book event to premiere the book, the
international launch of the book at the Garden District Bookshop
at six pm on Tuesday, December tenth, free and open
to the public. And Tom Kratman I wanted to ask,
you know, what's interesting about these the American intervention plans
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on sending groups to the Crimea. In the book, the
history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme, and it
does seem like many of the themes that we're talking
about today were very much present after the First World War,
and I was wondering if you could have you seen
that as you've been writing The Romanov Rescue and then
The Romanov Rising nineteen nineteen book, the book that we
have premiering on Tuesday, those kind of parallels.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Well, we didn't write it for there to be parallels particularly,
but there were parallels that there to be to be
seen anyway. For example, you know, from the Russian point
of view, the Ukrainians are us, They're just difficult.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
From the Ukrainian point of.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
View, no, no, no, We're very different from the Russians.
We're not the same at all. But that actually only
goes back to about eighteen sixty five. Before that, the
languages were much closer. The cultures.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
There's the cultures are still very close.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
And you know we didn't other than that, the Ukrainians
are already thinking of themselves as something different, which we
touched on only inferentially.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
That's about the the parallel, no problem, Casey when it
comes in.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
What is interesting about reading this book, The Roman Rising
nineteen nineteen is it seems more likely than.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
What the actual history was.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I know that sounds kind of strange, but I'm reading it,
I'm like, this makes more sense than what actually the
set of events that actually happened.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Well, yeah, so the rise of Bolshevism.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
In you know, to create this monolith that was the
Soviet Union and then you know, the Soviet Bloc.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
It's very interesting because if you as soon as you
start to really look into.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
How that happened, you realize that if any of those
dominoes had fallen just slightly different, the entire world would
be different.
Speaker 9 (41:33):
Right, Our entire history to this date would be different.
You know, the Cold War may not have even happened,
you know what I mean. And that's really a theme that,
you know, Tom and Justin and I explicitly want to
play with you know, throughout this series. I mean we
have you know, we have plans.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
Going decades in this new timeline of just exploring and
seeing just how deep this alternate history rabbit hole really
can go.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Do you all bring bank Do you all bring bankers
into this big you know, international bankers?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Not so far?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there you do bring it
in Wait, wait, you bring it into the book.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 11 (42:06):
Big tim research the exact dimensions of the original Russian
ruble of the time period to make sure if you're
moving currency and realistic yeah, logistical capacity.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Oh wow, correct, there's a one.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Great We have some insights on that we can talk
about later.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
There's a great scene with a group of bankers as
the reason to intercede in the war. But if you would,
if you would, Justin Watson, you're going to be joining
us at six pm on Tuesday at the Garden District
book Shop and give us a little preview. You're going
to be introducing the book, what you're going to be
talking about for the public. It is free and open
to the public, and we hope everybody will come to
twenty seven to twenty seven Protandia. More information at Gardendistrict
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Bookshop dot com. Give us a little snapshot of what
you're going to be talking about Tuesday evening.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, in addition to what.
Speaker 11 (42:50):
We've discussed here, tonight, I'll be able to dive in
a little deeper into the military situation in Siberia, South Russia,
Eastern Europe at the time, talk a little bit more
in depth about our characters and the roles they serve
and their motivations from a fiction writer sense. And then,
more than anything, I'm really excited just to be able
to interact and answer people's questions after we kind of
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laid it out. I'm interested as to what interests people
now when they hear about this book. What would they
like to know more about what excites them the most
about this book, because that's incredibly valuable to us as authors.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Well, we look forward to hosting you at the Garden
District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven Pretennia in the
Historic Rink shopping Center. Save these places of off street
parking inside the building Folks free parking free event six
pm Tuesday night, talking a bit about Russian history and
one of the great what IFFs if one of the
romanovs in in this case, three of the romanof daughters
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had actually survived, which is to say they had not
been shot for a second or third time, how history
would have been different? And to be honest, these are
some of the most exceptional not just alternate history novels,
but historical novels well research that I've read in decades.
Come find out about the Romanov Rising nineteen nineteen and
it's prequel, and Justin will be on site to sign
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personalized books and answer questions. And if you want to
find out more information, go to Garden District Bookshop dot com.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Gentlemen and lady, wait, the big question is will you
be bringing vodka, nutcrackers and teaches the Russian dance? No, great, Justin,
if you do that dance, if you need to hear
about Peter the Wolf too.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
If you do that, I mean I'll pay. I'll have
money flying on the those But I don't think we
do have We do have vodka at the bar in
the bookstore play I can have.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm more of a more of.
Speaker 11 (44:36):
A single malt guy myself, and my cartilage is not
going to stand Russian dancing.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
But it's a noble thought well and for those that
don't know if obviously these are three incredible people who
who've had military services. Uh and of course it's high
in this high and uh and Tom and justin in
case he have all been on certain sandboxes in the
same time at very same time. So thank you all
(45:02):
for your service as well as this wonderful book of
the Roman Authorising nineteen nineteen. We look forward to its
international premiere at the Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to
twenty seven, Pretennia on Tuesday, December tenth at six pm.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And guys, we look forward to talking about this more
with you. Thanks you for coming us.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
More information at Gardendistrict Bookshop dot com and folks, we'll
be back with the Patriotic Moment right after these important messages.
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Speaker 3 (46:50):
And you are listening to the final show and it's
not time for us to go into our chaplain bye.
By patriotic moment, We just take a brief moment to
remind you of the Biblical foundation for our country, our
Judeo Christian jurisprudence, I'd just like to tell the story
of the amount of prayer that went on in early
America for the first oh up until maybe the nineteen twenties,
where there were several thousand calls for prayer, and they
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wouldn't just say prayer, they would say prayer and fasting
on the federal, state, and local levels. This is astounding.
Do you know that when our funding fathers met for
writing Decoration of Independence and the Constitution, they prayed every morning.
Sometimes they would pray for an hour, sometimes all morning alone,
sometimes all day long, and many times they called the
whole country to prayer and fasting for this country. I
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think our finding fathers really believed that God was necessary
for our country. I can't think of any other greater
proof than that than that they would so regularly call
upon their Creator to get them through all the hard
things that were going through. I mean, they were taking
on an impossible task. There was like no way they
could win the American Revolution. Absolutely no way. That's right, folks.
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It was prayer, and the Founding fathers knew it. They
knew it was the very essence and secret of what
made America great. If we want to make America great again,
we better start praying and fasting as our ancestors did. Well, Folks,
I don't know about you, but I know about me,
and I know about a lot of folks who are
a great biblical patriots, if you will. But what really
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makes it wonderful is the fact that we know the
Creator and we know that He knows us. You say,
you could be the greatest biblical patriot that ever lived.
But if you didn't really know God, you know a
lot about him, it doesn't do you any good. Folks,
you got to actually know Him in an up close
and personal way. God is a god of great intimacy,
because God is a God of great love and which
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requires intimacy. That's what he wants to have with you,
and you can only do it one way. There's only
one person that will accomplish this for you, and that
is God the Son. He's the key man. The Bunch
script says, the only way to the Father is through
the Son. He's away the truth in the life. So
what does all that mean. What it means is God
became a man so he could be that close to you,
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that intimate with you. And then as a man and
a perfect man, he was the only one that could
handle our sin problem, which keeps us separated from God.
And he did that when the Lord Jesus died on
the cross for all of our sins, I mean, from
the day you're born to the day you die, your
time us to great sins. He paid for them all
the Bible says's blood washed him all the way. And
then after that he did the rest of the job.
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Because he had there was more to go. He couldn't
just end it with that. He then had to rise
from the dead, and he did, as we all know,
he rose from the dead to win for you his
precious free gift of resurrection, ever lasting life. Folks, if
you don't, if you've never embraced this, if you've never
really taken it in as something that's really true for you,
you need to do it now. You may not get tomorrow.
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All it takes is with all your heart that you
believe that Jesus died for all your sins, was buried
and rose in the dead. If you truly believed that,
you hold that deer, and that's what you're trusting in,
you go in head when you die.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Sometimes that's hard to do, and it takes repentance and
all repentance means is you quit trusting in yourself. You
quit saying, Okay, I can do it, I can help,
or I can just maybe God did half of it
and I got to do the other day.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
God has to do it all, and He did it
when He died on your sins, for all your sins
on the cross and roads in the dead. When you
quit trusting in yourself, realizing your hopeless and helps without
God destined to a burning hell right at that moment
you just repented, it takes place in your mind. It
is not a work. It's not doing good works, you know,
good religious works, religious ceremonies. It's not turning from your
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sins or all the other things that come up with.
All that does is getting away and it'll guarantee you
going to hell. So quit trusting in yourself. That's repentance.
Now with all your heart. You can put faith alone
in Christ alone, with the faith of a little child.
Do it now if you've never done it before. Well, folks,
it is now also time for us to go into
our chaplain by by testimony time when we're just going
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to take a brief moment to remind you of a
great story of a great saint of God. It could
be somebody living today. You've heard stories about people that
are alive today. I've told you you heard stories by
people in the past. The early Church was a day.
We're going to go back all the way back to
the ninth century when Russia was converting to Christianity, and
the key, the key man there was, well, actually we're brothers,
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Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius his brother. They did an
amazing job evangelizing the Slavs. That's those are the that's
the ethnic group for the Russian people. They went up
and down that area from Moravia all the way down
into Kiev and the Ukraine. That Ukraine was the original
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Russia and preaching the Gospel and went in thousands to Christ.
Many were converted, and Saint Cyril actually gave them their alphabet.
He was he was Greek, and so he brought Greece,
the Greek alphabet into the Slavic languages, and to this
day it's called Syriac, named after Saint Cyril. He was
an amazing man. What a testimony. Don't you wish we
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could all have stories like that? And you can if
you'll just commit and walk.
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With the Lord.
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You have no idea the great things God will do
in your life, not to go to heaven, but to
bring Heaven down to you while you're still here. If
you're born again, if you trusted Christ, born again, I
mean your dead and dine spirit has become fully alive
because you've put Faith alone and Christ alone. You believed
in the Gospel, which is the power of God and
the Salvation. You believe that Jesus died for all your
sins Rosemond Dead. You've truly done that. Where you're going
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to heaven, But how you want to go to heaven.
You want to go the happy way, of the Sapy way,
the Glad way or the sad way. Go the Glad way.
And what that means is you're gonna start serving God.
You can start working with God, just like Saint Cyril did.
Saint Cyril did, so, folks, do it now if you've
never done it before. Believe that Jesus really did die
for all your sins in Rosemond Dead and believe that
you can walk with God and be a great man
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or woman of God. You can do it, folks.
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You can do it.
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If you've never done it before. Believe with all your
heart that Jesus died for your sins and rose dead,
and that will be the greatest thing you could ever
do in this world. Do it now if you've never
done it before, don't wait till it's too late. And
like the like the Ocristript has said, and like the
Bible says, now today is the day of salvation. What's
time for us to close with the mon Saint Martin
singing a creol good Bible. Before we do, let's say
a quick prayer. Dear God, bless everybody listening to this show.
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And if there's anybody out there who doesn't know you,
put it deeply in their hearts to get this message
and believe that Jesus really did die for all the
sins and rose the dead. We ask all these things
in our Mighty Savior's name, the Lord Jesus Christ, God Incarnate.
Amen our mind, take it away?
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Does this have to be the.
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End of the neld?
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Do I love you?
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In the pamal land, I can see across the million stars.
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When a look