August 31, 2024 • 54 mins
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Our guest on today’s show Is Nicholas Meyer. He joins Hy and Christopher to talk about his new book Sherlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell. Meyer is also a famed Hollywood director and for sci-fi fans, he is best known as the director of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, often considered the greatest Star Trek movie ever made.
He tells us the story of that iconic movie’s creation after first discussing Sherlock Holmes lore, and how he started writing about the great detective in his book The Seven Percent Solution, whose movie version Meyer both wrote the screenplay and directed.
You can meet the author in person! Nicholas Meyer is coming to the Garden District Book Shop at 6 PM on Tuesday, September 3. Go to the Garden District Book Shop's website to reserve your space or call the bookstore at (504) 895-2266.
ONLY 50% off of best available seats for a single show, or 50% off a season ticket at any tier! Just go to Events and Tickets - New Orleans Opera. Then when you check out, enter promo code PIANO50.
Our guest on today’s show Is Nicholas Meyer. He joins Hy and Christopher to talk about his new book Sherlock Holmes and the Telegraph from Hell. Meyer is also a famed Hollywood director and for sci-fi fans, he is best known as the director of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, often considered the greatest Star Trek movie ever made.
He tells us the story of that iconic movie’s creation after first discussing Sherlock Holmes lore, and how he started writing about the great detective in his book The Seven Percent Solution, whose movie version Meyer both wrote the screenplay and directed.
You can meet the author in person! Nicholas Meyer is coming to the Garden District Book Shop at 6 PM on Tuesday, September 3. Go to the Garden District Book Shop's website to reserve your space or call the bookstore at (504) 895-2266.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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divide its avens.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And God bless all out there. You are now listening
to the founders. So the voice of the founding fathers,
You're founding fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big Easy,
that old Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana, and high up
on top of that old Liberty Cypress tree way out
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on the Eagles Branch. This is none other than your
spingeary by bay O the Republic Chaplin High mcenry.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
With Christopher Tidmore, your roving reporter, resident radical moderate, Associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
And Hi, we got a.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Fantastic show today because we have a special guest, a
director of over thirty films, a legend in the entertainment business,
a truly living legend and the Sherlock Holmes expert in
the world on his seventh book, introduce our special guest
for us.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you Christopher, and thank you Nicholas Meyer for being
with us. Your record is amazing. I think you've had
eleven or maybe more very prestigious awards, and you've I
think you've actually they were nominations or ones you won.
I think you wonce five of them, you know, Academy
Awards and meats, all those things. And I was studying
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up on your record, and I mean, you've had a
very long and prolific literary career. It's absolutely amazing you've gone.
You've done all all the mediums uh, television, movies of course, scriptwriting,
uh and book novels and whatnot short stories and uh.
I love your I love the way you've handled Charlotte
Colms and he's one of my favorite guys. I mean,
they're over twenty five thousand works that are follow up
(02:17):
on the original Charlotte Coms Orthocondoll who wrote four books
and about fifty six short stories, and from that has
produced an entire uh pantheon of literal literary accomplishment. And
and and you're certainly playing a major role in that.
And uh, I can't wait to hear your story and
you know which you've done with short and also maybe
to talk a little sci fi spy stuff because you
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do it all comedy. It's amazing the variety that you
have in your literary expression. So I guess, without further
ado in New Orleans, which one was that? Which one
it's called Vendetta? Yes, I saw that. I saw that
there's another movie called Viva Vendetta. I thought it was
that one, but yeah, this was. It was about when
the the the Italians, the mafia Old Hennessy and the
(03:01):
results of that and the hanging, the lunchings of the
Italian mob and all that stuff. That's amazing, amazing story.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
It is an amazing story. It's not a very happy one,
but uh.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, it's not many tragedies in that store. That's right.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
For those who's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Joining, For those who's joining us, folks. Nicholas Meyer, a
well known Hollywood director and is coming is joining us.
But he's talking about his new book, Charlock Holmes and
the Telegraph from Hell. And for those that don't know this,
Nicholas Meyer is considered the foremost Sherlock Holmes author. He's
been proved by the to write by the Conan Doyle Estate.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Wow, he is, he is.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
He's actually the official person.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And I've got to tell you that Nick has been
kind enough to let me use his actual name Nick,
when I had known of Nicholas Meyer as the director.
Of course, you know I'm a Star Trek fan, so
of course you are. We bow before the director Star
Trek two, The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek Section.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, Christopher, you know we could do perhaps we could
canonize Nick and from now we call him Saint Nick. Right,
very good, But.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Nick, I have to go hard to recognize.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But Nick, I do.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I do have a situation where I wanted to say
that I actually discovered you, not through any connection to
science fiction, but because of the way a lot of
people do your your the first book in your your
Sharlock Holms series, The Seven Percent Solution.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I picked up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And for those that do not, or Sharlock Holmes fans
or mystery fans in general, this book is exceptional. It's
the kickoff, and it's a reinterpretation of the Rock and
back Falls situation with moriority, and it deals with areas
it not only gets into the Sharlock holmbs's head, but
his addictions and what happens in those mystery years that
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in the subsequent books. And so if you could set
us up to how you became. And this is not
an exaggeration when I say this is a statement the
holmesy and Society has said the foremost Sherlock Holmes author
since Conan Doyle was one of the quotes, how to
did you become this expert on Shrlock Holmes?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Now in your seventh book, Lucky.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I guess when I was, and I you.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Know, I have to have a little caveator foremost anything,
but I can tell you, you know, specific facts insofar.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
As my memory serves me.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
I believe that I was given the complete Sherlock Holmes
stories to sixty the bor novellas, the fifty six short
stories by my dad when I was about eleven years old.
There's a reason, I think why it's called an impressionable age.
I think that childhood experiences with people and events and
(05:47):
scenes tend to imprint themselves the most lastingly and are
cherished the longest. I read these stories, you know, I
just album is my recollection and then got sort of
blue when I realized there weren't anymore. I'm not first person,
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by a long shot, who decided to write my own.
This is an old story and it doesn't just apply
to Sherlock. I mean, the Odyssey could be described as
a fanboy sequel. So when I was in high school,
having read these stories, and another thing that sort of
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came into the mix was people.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Saying, oh, your old man's a shrink. Is he a Freudian?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
And I didn't know, so I asked my father, I said, Pop,
are you a Freudian?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And he said, well, it's a kind of silly question.
And I said, why is that?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
And he said, because it's no more possible to discuss
the history of psychoanalysis and not begin with Freud. Then
it is to discuss the history of the discovery of
America by Europeans and not start with Columbus or the Vikings,
take your pick. But to suppose that nothing has happened
since the Viking is to be pretty rigidy.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Doctor, He said, when a person comes.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
To see me, I listen to what they say, I
listen to how they say it. I'm especially curious, say
are they on time with their body languages? I am
in short, searching for clues from them as to why
they are not. And I said, gee, Pop, that sounds
like detective work.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
And he thought about that.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
He said, well, I guess it is kind of like
detective work. And in a flash, I suddenly knew who
my father had always reminded me. And it was that
same Sherlock Holme whose stories he had given me to
read when I was at that impressionable age. And so
at that point, maybe I'm thirteen, maybe I'm fourteen, maybe
I'm fifteen. Now I start wondering how much Arthur Conan
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Doyle knew about the writing Sigmund Freud, and for that matter,
did Sigmund Freud know about Arthur and the first thing?
And they both died in the same town within nine
years of each plot. And then Holmes is a cocaine addict,
so for Sigmund Freud, and Freud had become involved with
(08:16):
cocaine when he collaborated on a paper written by two ophthalmologists,
Kerningstein and Kohler, on the uses of cocaine as an
anesthetic during eye surgery. And damned if Arthur Conan Doyle
didn't study ophthalmology. Good wow, Vienna and then later you
(08:39):
find out that Freud's favorite bedtime was Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer by
any means, but even with my brain, over the next
ten years, I'm sort of mulling all this. And sometimes
in my twenties, I've moved from New York to California
to seek my fortune in the movie business.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
And you're not doing anything important like directing the most
watched movie and television history the day after.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Or anything like that. You're you're not busy with anything
whatsoever during this period.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Way later, folks, I was just scratching out a living.
I was actually sort of building model boats for people
out of plastic kits solo start.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
But I started writing some television movies.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
And then whenn't you know what, the writers guilds went
on strike and you weren't allowed to write the scripts.
Oh boy, and that my girlfriend said, well, now you
can write that Sigmund Freud Sherlock Holmes book you mumbling about,
And she was right.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I didn't have anything else to do except walk up
a picket, walk.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Up and down, you know, picketing every day for three
hours and so that's when I wrote what became the
seven Percent Solution.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Wow, and I just for those just joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Nicholas Meyer, well known Hollywood director, a director of multiple
movies for Star Trek fans, the probably the two best
of all the Star Trek movies. But also he is
well known as a science as the foremost Sherlock Holmes
author and the seven Percent His new book is going
to be premiered at the Garden District book Shop on.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
September third, Hell of Churs.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Sherlock Holmes and the Telegram from Hell is the new book,
the first book seven Percent Solution. It captured my imagination,
Nicholas Meyer, because you're basically retelling the story of Moriarty
and I don't want to go into too much of
the plot, but essentially you're explaining why Holmes disappeared and
this what is the seven percent solution? And it has
(10:45):
to do with a certain cocaine. If I'm not mistaken, he.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Took a seven percent amount of cocaine and that correct, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Yes I didn't. And this is not my seat.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
This is in the very second Sherlock Holmes novella of
our their Conan Doyle, The Sign of before he specifies
that with thin nervous fingers, Holmes opens a fine Moroccan case,
pulls out a syringe and.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Starts shooting up.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
And Watson is very far in advance of medical opinion
when he decries this practice as being loathsome and endangered.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Watson's a doctor.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
We should also remember that that cocaine was eagle right, right,
So Holmes wasn't really breaking a law, was just doing
something that his roommate and medical thought was not a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
In fact, back then, I don't think there were there
were any illegal drugs from what I remember. And by
the way, a little question, I'm sure you know why
did Watson walk with a limp?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Watson was wounded in the Second Afghan War at the
Battle of Maiwand.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right, good, you get an a By the way, I
know you knew that. I want everybody to hear that
because people really don't want that means a lot to me,
because I had to deployment staffs bullet.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
He was rescued by his orderly murray Wow, who threw
him over his shoulder?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I mean, my wand was a terrible battle.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I remember he was a slaughter.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And it was and that's one thing.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
A lot of the renditions, and I'm glad in all
of your books, Nicholas Meyer, you always perceive Watson to
be what he is, which is a wounded but highly
highly trained, highly thought of soldier. I mean, he's a
military doctor, but he was incredibly trained. Some of the
renditions of John Watson in the twentieth century television and
movie renditions do not really give credit to the fact
(12:36):
that this was a very well trained, very dangerous soldier
and a very perceptive man. And you talk about his
own military capabilities being something that he's recognizing the path
that Holmes has gone into into almost illusion, and he's
recognizing it based on many of his knowly medical experiences,
(12:57):
but his military experiences.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And I thought that was very powerful.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
When I wrote the novel The Seventh Solution, and also
when I worked on.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
The movie script of the of the book.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
I think I was prompted to write my novel as
a kind of correct to a lot of homemitations that
I couldn't stand. I never there's very fu Shrolock Holmes
movie that I could bear to sit through. And one
of the things that made me crazy was portraying Watson
as a jerk, because I never understood why it wants
(13:31):
to hang out with an idiot?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Great thought, yeah, and he had almost no friend, so
why did he picked this one man for his close
confidence on best buddy?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
He was very Holmes was very vain about his gifts,
and I think if he wanted the admiration of somebody,
it was a regular man, not a sub Again, I
never stood the relation has frequently depicted in the movies,
not all Wes, you know, and the Peter Cushing Hounds
(14:01):
of the Baskervilles.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think it's Andre Morrel has Watson does a very
good journey.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yeah, but I never understood Nigel Bruce as Wasson. That
just didn't track for me at all. And it didn't
seem like the guy whose narrative voice get when you
read the original stories. And I think in this regard,
I consider myself very much a purist. I like my
Holmes the way Doyle wrote it, and I may not succeed,
(14:27):
but I am always trying to imitate the way Doyle
wrote and not sort of updated or bowdlerized. I wanted
I take my homes straight.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Joining us is Nicholas Meyer. He is, of course the
author of Sharlock Holmes and The Telegraph from Hell that
will be premiering the books making its premiere at the
Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven, Britannia on
September third. Nicholas Meyer will be in attendance to sign
books talk about Shawlock Holmes and the new novel six
o'clock on the third. That's the day after or Labor Day,
(15:01):
so folks, we hope you can join us. It's open
to the public. You can find out more at the
Garden District Bookshop, dot com and Nicholas Meyer. The seven
Percent Solution was interesting because it then led into a
whole new series of books. The follow up book, of Course,
which I thoroughly enjoyed, is about Holmes when he's sort
of in his lost years, where everybody thinks he's dead,
playing as a musician, which every all the movie versions
(15:24):
will come out and say, oh, he played the violin.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
They forget that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Holmes in the books is this brilliant, genius level composer
and he's in musician and violinist and he actually is
playing with the symphony. And you proceed, You basically are
exploring things that are in the Doyle Opera the opera,
Well we're gonna getting that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And there's a ghost. This is a fascinating there's the
first one. We're not Holmes deals with Polser guys.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Go ahead, go ahead, Nick, if you would.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
The second Holmes book is not Holmes in the Paris Opera.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
That's The Canary.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's that's right, that's Holmes.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Number two is The West End Horror, which is Holmes
in the Theater District in March of eighteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But he disappears in the Canary one right.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, basically he disappears at the end of the.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Seven Percent Sotel Watson, you know that this experience dealing
with cocaine addiction and combining forces on a mystery with
Sigmund Freud. By the time it's all over, he simply
isn't ready to go back to London and he needs,
as he describes it, a little holiday. And he tells Watts,
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as I think he tells him in Doyle's original, you
would do well to follow the concert career of a violinist.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
And Siegerson I don't know why he picked that name,
but he does.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
And then he goes into what he Holmes buffs, you know,
called the Great Hiatus, where nobody knows where the heck
he was. So the third, my third Sherlock story, The
Canary Trainer, posits that before he went to Tibet, he
went to Paris and started giving violin less and then
discovered that there was a vacancy at the Paris Opera
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or orchestra members were quitting in droves because of mysterious
goings on at the Pas.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Operas the Phantom of the Opera Pantom. Yeah, and so
Holmes gets a job.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
He did in the orchestra of the Paris Opera, and
that's Holmes number three, which is the Canary Trainer.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Holmes number four.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
A very strange one called the Adventure of the Peculiar Protocols.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, I love that, which.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Is about the most famous, successful and vicious hoax.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Of all time, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
I've been fighting that for fifty years, man, I can't
wait to worry that one.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
There's that.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
And then after that came the Return of the Pharaoh,
which is Holmes and Watson.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Egypt in the early.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Part of the twentieth century, where there was huge archaeology Mania,
Egypto Mainia. Yeah, millionaires from all around the world were
descending on Egypt, strip it of its patrimony, everything that
was buried under the sand. You could become famous and
rich if you, you know, dug up Tut's tomb, which
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somebody eventually did.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
So that's number five. Number six is Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
And the Telegram from Hell that in nineteen sixteen and
involves these guys really coming back from a semi retired
the status to go to work for the British government
when her back is a wall fighting the Kaiser. And
number seven, which I was finishing.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Is called Sherlock Holmes and the Real Thing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And we can't and what is it? Is that near
the end of his life or because everyone kind of.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
So, I know, I finally went backwards.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Went backwards.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I couldn't keep.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Him Christopher, you know, Charlick Colins doesn't ever die. He
just pretends to. He disappears.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Oh you know, he's a break, he knows a vacation.
He goes and raise he goes and raises bees in Sussex.
But Nicholas Meyer, we're looking forward to having you at
the Garden District book Shop on the third of September,
ladies and gentlemen, That is the day after Labor Day, Tuesday,
six pm, twenty seven to twenty seven. Pretennon the historic
Rink shopping center at the corner of Washington Avenue and Pretenure.
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It's open to the public. More information at the Garden
District Bookshop dot com. And we do have to take
a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going
to continue this conversation about the new book and the
books that are upcoming with Nicholas Meyer, director and ask
you a little bit about some of your expansive career
in movies and television and all this.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Hold on him.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But when you when you come to the bookstore, don't
forget your magnifying glass and put on your deduction thinking
cap because you're about to meet Sir Nicol Meyer.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
H On that note, Nick Meyer, Hold on one second.
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Speaker 2 (24:15):
And chop on him again, We're again Nicholas. I'm so
glad to have you on the show. I can't wait
to hear more about your book that you're gonna be
reviewing and lecturing on at the bookstore coming up in
a couple of weeks. Can you tell us a little
bit more? You know, I'm an old fashioned Solvn Baptist,
hell Fire and Brimstone preacher. So the title caught my
attention a telegram from Hell and we don't want to
(24:36):
say too much, we don't want to spoil it, but
whatever you think would be apropos to reveal a little
more information that might build the intrigue and get us
to really thinking, how can we figure this crime out?
That would be fun.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Nicholas Meyer set the stage for Sharlock Holmes in the
First World War, because there is a Conan Doyle story
about this. But this is a time where you'd expect
Holmes and Watson to be at their best, as the
Spies are descending upon London and Berlin and Paris.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
In fact, dor lost his son in that warning. I
don't think he ever recovered from it. The grief was overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Go ahead, no, he did.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
In fact, the slaughter on the continent is so great
that a whole generation yeah, literally white Detroid.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah. Even if they survived, they were mentally done in
and they.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
It really accounts for the strange rise of interest in spiritualism.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
People had lost.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Sons, fathers and brothers, and it takes a mental toll
on people of this kind of loss, and so many
people got interested in Ouiji boards and trying to communicate
with the dead. And Conan Doyle was not exempt. Son died, brother.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
In law died.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
It was a terrible, terrible time, and as of nineteen sixteen,
Doyle became a convinced believer in a spiritual.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
To a world, a world in the beyond, and he
spent the last.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Jack Whodini tried to prove them wrong. Remember that, And
you've even done a thing about Houdini.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Well, my dad wrote a biography and he really made
to a two part mini series with Adrian Brodie.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm a great fan of Houdini. Was amazing man.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, he had a strange friendship.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
And then in the two with Arthur Conan Doyle, right,
Arthur Conan Doyle saw Who he walked through a brick wall.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Since he couldn't explain how it was done, he.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Was convinced that who he had spiritual powers, even though
denied it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
He was very flattered.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
By the end of the world's most famous author because
he was just a you know, a kid from Hungary.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Who came to America when he was five.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Years old, and he grew up in poverty.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Tremendous poverty.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
And suddenly there was Doyle calling him a spiritual which
he denied, and of course Doyle said, well, he he'd
have to deny it because if he admitted he had
spiritual powers, his career as a magician. He finished, Yeah,
he was a little bit round the bend by.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And I mean his commitment to spiritualism. He actually people
forget that Conan Doyle was very much involved in British politics.
He had been actually a Liberal Unionist candidate for office.
He was actually offered a peerage, but his commitment to
spiritualism was what made it so he didn't end up
with that seat in the House of Boards. So it
was it was a commitment. I'm curious though, set up
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the stage if you would, Nicholas Meyer for Shaw Holmes
and a telegraph from how the book that we're going
to be talking about on September third at the Garden
District Bookshop, if you.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I'll give it my best shot. Basically, the last Sherlock
Holmes story that.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Doyle wrote, not the last one in the series, but
the last one he wrote, is a little story called
His Last Bow. And in that story we learn a
few interesting things. One is it's said in nineteen fourteen,
and we learned that the previous two years Homes had
been working undercover in America as a Irish sympathized named
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Gideon Altamont, and he had been playing sort of cat
and mouse with a German spymaster named von Bork, and
I took that thing as my sort of jumping off
point for the story of Holmes and von Bork and
being sort of brought out of retirement in late night
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in nineteen sixteen, and I tied it together with the
trial and ultimate hanging of Sir Roger Case and Roger
Casement had been knighted by the British government services to
humanity by having escaped Leopold's Belgian Congo alive to tell
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the stories of the atrocities committed by the Belgian and
the Belgian Congo to a shock world.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And he was very much admired by everyone.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
But when World War One broke out, he revealed his
own Anglo Irish patriotism and went from America where.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
He had been rabble rousing for Irish dependents.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
In the middle of World War One, he went to Germany,
who tried to convince Irish pow in German camps, prison
camps to come back into the war on the German side,
And even the Germans thought this was a little woo woo,
so they put him on a submarine back to Ireland
to you know, continue the good work, where he was
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instantly arrested and put on trial for treason by the
same government which had previously nighted him, and he was
sentenced he hanged, And I think part of what discovery
of his diary, the so called Black Diaries of Roger Casement,
which revealed him to have been a promiscuous homosexual who
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kept rather detailed accounts of his sexual encounters, which by
the way, may or may not have been forged by
British intelligence, but whether they were or they kind of
sealed his faith. And it's at this point that Microft,
or Microft's successor, who is the first m Sir William Melville,
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brings Holmes out of retirement down in.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Sussex, keeping bees and says, you knew Roger Casement in
America two years ago, would you be willing to be
thrown into Casement's cell as a fellow terrorist that he
won't tell us about German plan? And so Holmes allows him.
First they have to beat out of it.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Cracked rib black eye, broken too, sucked into a cell
at Brixton Prison with Roger Casement soon to be hanged,
and Roger Caseman tells him a strange story, and that
story is that there's a secret plan that Germany has
to win the war in twelve weeks. The only problem
is Chaseman doesn't know what the plan is, or if
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he does, he's not trusting. Give him Ultamont Holmes Spyia
enough to tell it to it, and so em wants
homes and wants it to go to America and try
to learn what this plan is. And what they soon
find out is that it revolves around a coded telegram
and that's all you're gonna get out of there.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That sounds good, Nicholas, We're exciting hell a telegram from
help folks.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You're just going to have to buy the book at
the Garden District Bookshop on September third, when Nicholas Meyer
is coming in to sign books and speak on Sholock
Holmes and the Telegraph from how he's joining by via
phone link from Los Angeles with Hi mc henry and
Christopher Tidmore on this edition of The Founder Show and Nick,
we're so excited to be hosting you at twenty seven
to twenty seven Britannia at the corner of Washington and Britannia.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
These are shameless plugs I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
For Gore, which of course we have even the trackies need.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
To be there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We need to have and that's a good, perfect segue.
I know there's a reason why we're partners into Nicholas Meyern.
Of course, you know we have the new bar in
the bookstore which is open every night till eight pm.
You can come in, have a cocktail, read a book.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
But that is Christmas.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Wait a minute, now, I'm assume we have someone from
the nu Orleance opera being good.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Well, let me talk about that.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
But wait, wait, I wanted to say something now, Nicholas,
I've had three combat tours and my background US Army
Special Forces. I was a counter intelligence agent with him.
I have a top secret clearance at CI. So all
of this is very fascinating. I mean, you mentioned World
War One, how terrible it was. I'm also a student
of war. I've been reading it and studying war since
i was a little kid. My father made was World
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War One and World War Two veteran, and so I
have it deeply entrenched in my family and my own
heart and mind and whatnot. I love the military, loves soldiers, marines, airmen,
and sailors. But one of the things you point, and
you made a good point of this, I believe. I'm
convinced after all my study and research of war, by far,
the worst war America was ever in was World War One.
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I don't think there was ever a more horrible and
terrible war where the soldiers are for the most than
World War One, unless perhaps the Civil War. And that's
I just wanted to make that point because this is
you know, the setting is World War One in this
and you're telegram from Hell.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
Well, one of the things that I observed the collapse
of American education.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
We don't teach anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well they don't.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
It's a joke kind of you know, trade knowledge, technical knowledge.
We don't teach civics. I don't. I don't know what
that's all about. We don't teach it. And we don't
teach history.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And somebody said, I think it was the philosopher of
Santana who George Santana's.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yes, do not learn the lessons that history teaches. Are
condemned to repeat those.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
And I think World War one, World War all this
stuff gets very quickly lost in the mists of time,
and so we wind up making the same mistakes again
and again and again.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
A lot of it has to do with the leadership,
you know, Eisenhower's military industrial complex issue. Uh, I call
it big brother government. They love war and they know
how to deceive the people, and that's one reason. And
they hot they keep us from the hip by design,
so we won't learn from history, and that's why we
keep doing the same dumb thing over and over and overall.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Never never ascribed to conspiracy with simple ignorance. Will explain,
but I will, but remember, I'm sure disagrees with you
on it, on that, on that, Nicholas Meyer, if I
may take a quick segue, because a lot of people
are like when I when I told a few of
my friends, I was having Nicholas Meyron to say, you
have a fan community amongst movie amongst movie buffs in
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general and sci fi buffs in particular, is the understatement
of the century. But you said something that just struck me.
A lot of your work in the film industry has
been kind of on that lesson that you're using historical
parallels and you're showing them that these are lessons that
have expended experienced before and not and certainly comes up
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in your Star Trek work, you know. And I was
curious if you could comment for the many many Star
Trek fans and the many many film fans you have,
you know how your film experience has influenced your writing.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
In the Showy calls well, life is strange, in case
you hadn't noticed it. I came out to California from
New York because I was in love with movies, and
I wanted movies, and I got lucky. Somebody recommended a
general to Napoleon and said, this guy's very good general.
And Napoleon said, I know he's good, but is he lucky?
(35:27):
And I think luck plays a big role. I was not,
for example, a Star Trek fan. I'd never seen it,
or if I flashed by it when I was channel surfing, you.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Know, as a young man, I just kept going. I didn't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I think it's fair to say that whatever was important
or remarkable or imaginative about the show went right by me.
The fact that it had an interracial cast, that it
had women in positions of power, so all of.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
That just I missed all of that around long enough.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
You know, I was impatient, and I looked at the
cheesy costumes and I just kept going.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
And then when I was starting my career in.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
California and writing movies of the Week, and just beginning
I got to write and direct. Well, The Seven Percent
Solution became a movie and I sold the rights condition
that I write the screenplay. And then the screenplay for
The Seven Percent Solution was nominated for an AUSP and
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so now I had some kind of credibility.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
So when I wrote Time after Time, which was my HG.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
Wells versus Jack the Ripper sci fi, yeah, I love.
That was my directing debut, and HG.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Wells in nineteen eighty San Francisco still remained Yeah, and
one of the greatest juxtapositions of time I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
In my aside, I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Sorry do that when you're writing fictions.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Say that it was not my idea. I think I'm
more a pillager of other people's ideas.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
We all do that.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
We all do that along. Well Art is a history
of cut and pace.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Right and for those who join us, director and author
Nicholas Myers join us. And so from time after time
you went into.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Well what happened was at the end of that A
friend of mine, who was an executive at Paramount Is
Karen Moore, suggested that I go and meet Harv Bennett,
a producer who was on the lot at Paramounts. He
had been assigned to produce the second Star Trek movie.
(37:44):
And I said, gee, is that's the one with the
man with twenty years and she's don't be such a snob.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
His nickname was Sherlock, by the way, logic logic. Well.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I went and met Harve Bennett, the producer, and I
liked him very much, and showed me the first movie,
and he showed me the episodes, and his job was
to get a second Star Trek movie made and not
to have a runaway production because the first one cost
forty five million dollars in nineteen seventy nine and they
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weren't going to give anybody that kind of money to
do another one. So he showed me all this stuff
and I started thinking about it, and I guess I'd
thought about it before, but I thought, jeeus reminds me
of something that I do understand or think I understand
and really love.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Were these books that I read.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
About the same age that I read Sherlock, which was
the Adventures of Captain Horatio Hornblower. Hornblower being an English
captain in the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars, and
he had a girl in every port.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Of course, and he was the influence for as it
turns out, Captain Kirk gene Runberry. I, you know, I
stumbled on that. I, you know, like everything, I sort
of enter backwards apologize, and so I thought, oh, this
is Hornblower in outer space.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I can do that, And so I got the gig
to direct the movie, of course that and they had
five scripts, and and they none of those scripts were
satisfying anybody. And I asked to read them, and I
plowed through them.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
I'm a very slow reader. And then I said, well,
why don't we make a list?
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Why don't make a list of anything we like in
these five scripts. Could be the major plot, it could
be a subplot. It could a sequence, it could be
a scene.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
It could be a character, it could be line of dialogue.
I don't care what it is.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Let's just make that list. And then how about I
try to write a new script and incorporate as many
of these things on our laundry list as we all
agree on. And basically they said, well, that won't work
because unless we have a screenplay in twelve days. The
Special Effects House can't guarantee us the shots in time
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for the June opening.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
And I said, what what June opening?
Speaker 6 (40:18):
And they said, well, we've booked the picture of June
on June something something.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I said, you you, that's only the second movie you
ever directed.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I said, you booked the movie into theaters and that
there's no movie, and he said, well that's the way
it's always done.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
And so you came up, as it turns out to
what is arguably, though I will easily say, the greatest
Star Trek movie ever made. You brought con Union sing
into back into Cardo Montavon, back into it.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
And it's not it's not a Star Trek movie. It's
an icon of culture.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
The movie the Scream of con out of the Out
of the Genesis Planetoid from James Kirk remains the definition
of the idea of vengeance brought forth.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
In a movie.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And Nicholas Meyer, I can't tell you how much we have.
We're almost out of time, so I do want to
plug again. You're going to be with us on September
third at the Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven,
Pertannia with your new book, Shaw Colmbs and the telegram
for hell and you're gonna be signing copies talking about it.
We look forward to seeing you, and for more information
go on the website to Gardendistrict Bookshop dot com. Nicholas Meyer,
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thank you so much for joining us here on the
Founder Show.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Thanks Nicholas, this is great. I can't wait to meet you.
It's been a privileged y, sir godmuch.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Thank you much, and folks will be back on the
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Well, folks, who are back and you are listening to
the Founders Show, and it is not time for us
to go into our chaplain babe bah patriotic moment. We'll
just take a brief moment to our you of the
biblical foundations of our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And
today we're going to talk about none other than Teddy Roosevelt,
my wife, Teddy Roosevelt. We've done him before, but I
thought it was apropos because Teddy Roosevelt was once a
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chief of police, the superintendent of all the police of
New York City, and he was quite a sleuth. He
was quite a Sherlock's Holmes himself before he was a
vice president and then the president. So let's hear the
wisdom of Teddy Roosevelt, one of the greatest presidents of
America has ever had. You know, he said that a
thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a
college education. Hmm. And he also said, I reverently invoke
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for my guidance the direction in favor of Almighty God.
I think Teddy Roosevelt really had a really strong belief
and dependence upon his creator. He knew how important it
was to depend on God in government, he said. He
went on to say, every thinking man, when he thinks,
realizes that the teachings of the Bible are so interroven
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and intertwined with our whole civic and social life that
it would be literally impossible for us to figure ourselves
what that life would be. If these standards were removed,
we would lose almost all the standards by which we
now judge both public and private morals. That means, you know, government,
and all the standards toward which we, with more or
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less resolutions, strive to raise ourselves. That's where America was
back then, folks. And of course you can clearly see
that's where Teddy Roosevelt was truly a great man of God. Well, folks,
where are you in this? Are you a person of God?
A man or a woman of God? Would you like
to be? Well, I'm gonna show you how you can
as we now go into our chaplain by by a
gospel moment where again I just take a brief moment
(46:43):
to show you how you can know that you know that,
you know you're saved from a burning hell and guaranteed
everlasting life. And I sure wish old Sherlock could be
here to analyze all this right now. I think you'd
find it quite interesting as he applied his sleuthful ways
of investigations and interrogations, and as a remarkable detective that
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he was. You know, the Bible is a book of
It's a mystery book, it really is. There's a whole
lot of mystery that there's a whole lot of work
for a detective. Do is if you would apply the
analytical deductive mind of Sherlock Holmes throughout the Bible, you
would be fascinated to find out what you would discover.
So let's see what we can discover right now about
how do we know we're going to heaven and save
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from a burning hell? We just talked about a book
that said something about hell earlier in the show. Hell's
a terrible place, folks, don't It's where you don't ever
want to go? Do you know that Jesus preached more
about Hell than he did about Heaven. Our precious Rabbi
Jesus y Shuahamashia, you know, that's his heat. That was
the way they would pronounce his name. They called him
Rabbi yes Shuwahamchia two thousand years ago in Hebrew, folks,
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this is what Jesus said. He said that Hell was
a terrible place. It was a place of great fire,
great torment. He preached more about Hell than he did
about heaven. Was he a meaning note? He didn't want
you to go He wants you going to heaven. So
he did everything he could to warn you about the
dangers of your eternity in damn nation. He didn't want
you to go to Hell because he loves you. He
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loves all of us, folks, and so this is what
you need to know. He told a very religious man
wants this message, this very religious man, and he gave
him a message that didn't have a whole lot of
religion in it. He told this man he had to
be born again.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
And this highly.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Religious man founded a rabbinical school, which almost there were
only a couple of rabbinical schools. A few of them
he was one of the finners. His name's Nicodemus. He's
in John chapter three in the Book of John in
the Bible. He said, you must be born again. Oh
my goodness, what does that mean? Well, the word born
again means that your dead and dying spirit becomes fully
alive when you realize the great love of God for you,
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the great redemption God has for you, the great salvation
God has to you from a burning hell. He told
him this so that he could learn how to be
born again. He said, for God's soul loved the world.
That's you, that's everybody. For God so loved the world
that he gave his only gotten son. That's the Lord
Jesus Christ. He's perfect God, perfect man, all the way
God and all the way Man. He gave his only
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begotten son. That whosoever that's you again believeth in him. Well,
what do you believe in? I mean, if they believe
in somebody, you got to know what are you believing?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Well, this is what you have to believe. The scripture says,
the gospel is the power of God into salvation, and
then it tells what the gospel. That word gospel means
good news. The gospel is the power of God of
salvations to whosoever believeth And this is the gospel. Before
I declare to you. The gospel one queen is fifteen
that Christ died for all of your sins. I mean,
from the day you're born in the day you die,
you're tiniest to your greatest sins, all your sins, folks,
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he died for them all. He paid for them all.
He died for all your sins. According scripture, he was buried,
and then he rose again from the dead, according to
the scription. Now that's plain and simply the gospel. It's
that simple death barrel resurrection. Jesus kept saying, repent and
believe that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but
have everlasting life. You'll be safe from hell. I guaranteed heaven.
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But Jesus did say repent, repent and believe us. So
what is the word repentance? Things? So well, it's part
of your faith. Think of your faith as a two
sided going on one side of repentancy. The other side
is childlike faith, faith alone and Christ alone. You see,
repentance is when you believe you cannot save yourself. Religion says,
you can you see that very religious man Nicodemus was
trying all kinds of stuff to save himself, but nothing
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seemed to be working. And that's why he went to Jesus.
He could see Jesus had the answers that comes out
in the text. He wanted to know, who are you?
How do you know all the how can you do
all these things? And Jesus told him you must be
born again. Nicodemus, God it. By the way, he became
a great follower of Christ. Will you also become a
follower of Christ like Nicodemus did. He realized finally all
his religion would never get him to heaven, no matter
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what he did, his prayers, his good works turned from
his sins. All the things we think we got to
do to help God out on the cross, right, that's
never gonna help God. It only gets in his way.
So just quit give it up. You don't need to
do all that. And with childlike faith, believe that Jesus
really did die for our since was buried and rose
from the dead. Believe it right now. The scripture says,
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now today is the day of salvation. And like the
old country preacher said, don't wait until it's too late. Folks,
Please turn to Jesus right now. Turn from trusting in yourself.
That's repentance. Quit thinking you're going to be able to
do something to help God out. You're not. You're just
not good enough, So forget it. Scripture that's all of
your rights to sorts, filthy rags. And when you do that,
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you're free, finally, totally free to put faith alone in Christ, alone,
with childlike faith, believe that He really did die for
all your sins and roasta dead. If you've never done before,
do it now. Well, folks, there's something else we got
to do now, because we're in that time. Well, I'm
talking about the end of this age. And boy wouldn't
Sheerlock love to do an investigation on this? Do you
know that there are over two hundred prophecies, mysteries, and
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the scripture that predict Jesus's second coming, over two hundred.
There were over one hundred for his first coming, over
two hundred for a second coming. Does that mean the
second coming may be more important than the first? I
don't know, but I guarantee you there's a look at
the emphasis on it. He had to come the first
time if you did, and the second time wouldn't have worked.
So the first time is certainly very important. And that's
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where he redeemed us, so we could be with him
in heaven forever, folks. But he is coming back, and
you need to know that. Jesus put great inmphasis on
it is all of that discourse. He said, when you
see all these things coming together, that's when I'm returning.
Now they have to all come together at the same time.
There's so many signs. There are wars, rooms of wars, pestilence, says,
you name it. But there's certain things that have never
happened before, like knowledge would increase. We've never seen knowledge
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increase as it is right now earthquakes all around the world.
Never seen an increase in earthquake suck we're having right now.
You look at the geological record and see that folks
is or wasn't in the land. Now they're in the land.
That only could only happen once again. This is the
third time they're back. By the way, no other nation's
ever done that. Once a nation or an ethnic group
gets kicked out of their land, they never come back.
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It's over with, except for the Jewish people. You think
maybe God's hand has something to do with that. You
think maybe God's involved with that. I think so.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
I know.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
So, folks, ladies and gentlemen, get ready because Jesus is
coming back soon. All those two hundred plus prophecies have
just bought every last one of them. I'm sure wouldn't
Sherlock Holmes will like to solve this mystery, because it
is a mystery. Jesus will come back. I'm coming back covertly.
I'm coming back like a thief in the night. People
aren't going to be ready for me, he says, most people,
But he says, we believers, we can know because we
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see the signs. We're studying the signs, just like oh,
Sherlock would have been doing. And guess what, we can
get the time down, not the day or the hour,
not the precise time, but certainly the season. And that
season is now upon us. Folks.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
I hope you're ready.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
You need a bunker, by the way, I think, because
things are going to get really bad, and I'm going
to recommend a bunker company for you. It's called the
Jesus Christ Corporation for Bunkers. And guess what it's going
to cost you. It's free. It's free. So go to
Jesus right now. Believe that he really did die for
all your sins. Was Bernian Wilseman did? And I guarantee
you because the Bible guarantees you, you will be safe
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and burning hell, you will be guaranteed heaven, and you
will be ready for when Jesus comes back. So it's
not time to close us. And God bless all out
there
By holes, the politicians, the dress, the digitators and magicians.
Who's to see the money? Then you don't, there's nothing
to fill the holes while then are feeling their pockets
by holes, the politicians bouncing down the road, every b'sition
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with no moment, corruption and dysfunction, it's gone on. Dab
divide its avens.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And God bless all out there. You are now listening
to the founders. So the voice of the founding fathers,
You're founding fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big Easy,
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on the Eagles Branch. This is none other than your
spingeary by bay O the Republic Chaplin High mcenry.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
With Christopher Tidmore, your roving reporter, resident radical moderate, Associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
And Hi, we got a.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Fantastic show today because we have a special guest, a
director of over thirty films, a legend in the entertainment business,
a truly living legend and the Sherlock Holmes expert in
the world on his seventh book, introduce our special guest
for us.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you Christopher, and thank you Nicholas Meyer for being
with us. Your record is amazing. I think you've had
eleven or maybe more very prestigious awards, and you've I
think you've actually they were nominations or ones you won.
I think you wonce five of them, you know, Academy
Awards and meats, all those things. And I was studying
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up on your record, and I mean, you've had a
very long and prolific literary career. It's absolutely amazing you've gone.
You've done all all the mediums uh, television, movies of course, scriptwriting,
uh and book novels and whatnot short stories and uh.
I love your I love the way you've handled Charlotte
Colms and he's one of my favorite guys. I mean,
they're over twenty five thousand works that are follow up
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on the original Charlotte Coms Orthocondoll who wrote four books
and about fifty six short stories, and from that has
produced an entire uh pantheon of literal literary accomplishment. And
and and you're certainly playing a major role in that.
And uh, I can't wait to hear your story and
you know which you've done with short and also maybe
to talk a little sci fi spy stuff because you
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do it all comedy. It's amazing the variety that you
have in your literary expression. So I guess, without further
ado in New Orleans, which one was that? Which one
it's called Vendetta? Yes, I saw that. I saw that
there's another movie called Viva Vendetta. I thought it was
that one, but yeah, this was. It was about when
the the the Italians, the mafia Old Hennessy and the
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results of that and the hanging, the lunchings of the
Italian mob and all that stuff. That's amazing, amazing story.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
It is an amazing story. It's not a very happy one,
but uh.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, it's not many tragedies in that store. That's right.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
For those who's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Joining, For those who's joining us, folks. Nicholas Meyer, a
well known Hollywood director and is coming is joining us.
But he's talking about his new book, Charlock Holmes and
the Telegraph from Hell. And for those that don't know this,
Nicholas Meyer is considered the foremost Sherlock Holmes author. He's
been proved by the to write by the Conan Doyle Estate.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Wow, he is, he is.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
He's actually the official person.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And I've got to tell you that Nick has been
kind enough to let me use his actual name Nick,
when I had known of Nicholas Meyer as the director.
Of course, you know I'm a Star Trek fan, so
of course you are. We bow before the director Star
Trek two, The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek Section.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, Christopher, you know we could do perhaps we could
canonize Nick and from now we call him Saint Nick. Right,
very good, But.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Nick, I have to go hard to recognize.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But Nick, I do.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I do have a situation where I wanted to say
that I actually discovered you, not through any connection to
science fiction, but because of the way a lot of
people do your your the first book in your your
Sharlock Holms series, The Seven Percent Solution.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I picked up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And for those that do not, or Sharlock Holmes fans
or mystery fans in general, this book is exceptional. It's
the kickoff, and it's a reinterpretation of the Rock and
back Falls situation with moriority, and it deals with areas
it not only gets into the Sharlock holmbs's head, but
his addictions and what happens in those mystery years that
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in the subsequent books. And so if you could set
us up to how you became. And this is not
an exaggeration when I say this is a statement the
holmesy and Society has said the foremost Sherlock Holmes author
since Conan Doyle was one of the quotes, how to
did you become this expert on Shrlock Holmes?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Now in your seventh book, Lucky.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I guess when I was, and I you.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Know, I have to have a little caveator foremost anything,
but I can tell you, you know, specific facts insofar.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
As my memory serves me.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
I believe that I was given the complete Sherlock Holmes
stories to sixty the bor novellas, the fifty six short
stories by my dad when I was about eleven years old.
There's a reason, I think why it's called an impressionable age.
I think that childhood experiences with people and events and
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scenes tend to imprint themselves the most lastingly and are
cherished the longest. I read these stories, you know, I
just album is my recollection and then got sort of
blue when I realized there weren't anymore. I'm not first person,
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by a long shot, who decided to write my own.
This is an old story and it doesn't just apply
to Sherlock. I mean, the Odyssey could be described as
a fanboy sequel. So when I was in high school,
having read these stories, and another thing that sort of
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came into the mix was people.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Saying, oh, your old man's a shrink. Is he a Freudian?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
And I didn't know, so I asked my father, I said, Pop,
are you a Freudian?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And he said, well, it's a kind of silly question.
And I said, why is that?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
And he said, because it's no more possible to discuss
the history of psychoanalysis and not begin with Freud. Then
it is to discuss the history of the discovery of
America by Europeans and not start with Columbus or the Vikings,
take your pick. But to suppose that nothing has happened
since the Viking is to be pretty rigidy.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Doctor, He said, when a person comes.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
To see me, I listen to what they say, I
listen to how they say it. I'm especially curious, say
are they on time with their body languages? I am
in short, searching for clues from them as to why
they are not. And I said, gee, Pop, that sounds
like detective work.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
And he thought about that.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
He said, well, I guess it is kind of like
detective work. And in a flash, I suddenly knew who
my father had always reminded me. And it was that
same Sherlock Holme whose stories he had given me to
read when I was at that impressionable age. And so
at that point, maybe I'm thirteen, maybe I'm fourteen, maybe
I'm fifteen. Now I start wondering how much Arthur Conan
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Doyle knew about the writing Sigmund Freud, and for that matter,
did Sigmund Freud know about Arthur and the first thing?
And they both died in the same town within nine
years of each plot. And then Holmes is a cocaine addict,
so for Sigmund Freud, and Freud had become involved with
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cocaine when he collaborated on a paper written by two ophthalmologists,
Kerningstein and Kohler, on the uses of cocaine as an
anesthetic during eye surgery. And damned if Arthur Conan Doyle
didn't study ophthalmology. Good wow, Vienna and then later you
(08:39):
find out that Freud's favorite bedtime was Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer by
any means, but even with my brain, over the next
ten years, I'm sort of mulling all this. And sometimes
in my twenties, I've moved from New York to California
to seek my fortune in the movie business.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
And you're not doing anything important like directing the most
watched movie and television history the day after.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Or anything like that. You're you're not busy with anything
whatsoever during this period.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Way later, folks, I was just scratching out a living.
I was actually sort of building model boats for people
out of plastic kits solo start.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
But I started writing some television movies.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
And then whenn't you know what, the writers guilds went
on strike and you weren't allowed to write the scripts.
Oh boy, and that my girlfriend said, well, now you
can write that Sigmund Freud Sherlock Holmes book you mumbling about,
And she was right.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I didn't have anything else to do except walk up
a picket, walk.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Up and down, you know, picketing every day for three
hours and so that's when I wrote what became the
seven Percent Solution.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Wow, and I just for those just joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Nicholas Meyer, well known Hollywood director, a director of multiple
movies for Star Trek fans, the probably the two best
of all the Star Trek movies. But also he is
well known as a science as the foremost Sherlock Holmes
author and the seven Percent His new book is going
to be premiered at the Garden District book Shop on.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
September third, Hell of Churs.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Sherlock Holmes and the Telegram from Hell is the new book,
the first book seven Percent Solution. It captured my imagination,
Nicholas Meyer, because you're basically retelling the story of Moriarty
and I don't want to go into too much of
the plot, but essentially you're explaining why Holmes disappeared and
this what is the seven percent solution? And it has
(10:45):
to do with a certain cocaine. If I'm not mistaken, he.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Took a seven percent amount of cocaine and that correct, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Yes I didn't. And this is not my seat.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
This is in the very second Sherlock Holmes novella of
our their Conan Doyle, The Sign of before he specifies
that with thin nervous fingers, Holmes opens a fine Moroccan case,
pulls out a syringe and.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Starts shooting up.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
And Watson is very far in advance of medical opinion
when he decries this practice as being loathsome and endangered.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Watson's a doctor.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
We should also remember that that cocaine was eagle right, right,
So Holmes wasn't really breaking a law, was just doing
something that his roommate and medical thought was not a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
In fact, back then, I don't think there were there
were any illegal drugs from what I remember. And by
the way, a little question, I'm sure you know why
did Watson walk with a limp?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Watson was wounded in the Second Afghan War at the
Battle of Maiwand.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right, good, you get an a By the way, I
know you knew that. I want everybody to hear that
because people really don't want that means a lot to me,
because I had to deployment staffs bullet.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
He was rescued by his orderly murray Wow, who threw
him over his shoulder?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I mean, my wand was a terrible battle.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I remember he was a slaughter.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And it was and that's one thing.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
A lot of the renditions, and I'm glad in all
of your books, Nicholas Meyer, you always perceive Watson to
be what he is, which is a wounded but highly
highly trained, highly thought of soldier. I mean, he's a
military doctor, but he was incredibly trained. Some of the
renditions of John Watson in the twentieth century television and
movie renditions do not really give credit to the fact
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that this was a very well trained, very dangerous soldier
and a very perceptive man. And you talk about his
own military capabilities being something that he's recognizing the path
that Holmes has gone into into almost illusion, and he's
recognizing it based on many of his knowly medical experiences,
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but his military experiences.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And I thought that was very powerful.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
When I wrote the novel The Seventh Solution, and also
when I worked on.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
The movie script of the of the book.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
I think I was prompted to write my novel as
a kind of correct to a lot of homemitations that
I couldn't stand. I never there's very fu Shrolock Holmes
movie that I could bear to sit through. And one
of the things that made me crazy was portraying Watson
as a jerk, because I never understood why it wants
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to hang out with an idiot?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Great thought, yeah, and he had almost no friend, so
why did he picked this one man for his close
confidence on best buddy?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
He was very Holmes was very vain about his gifts,
and I think if he wanted the admiration of somebody,
it was a regular man, not a sub Again, I
never stood the relation has frequently depicted in the movies,
not all Wes, you know, and the Peter Cushing Hounds
(14:01):
of the Baskervilles.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I think it's Andre Morrel has Watson does a very
good journey.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yeah, but I never understood Nigel Bruce as Wasson. That
just didn't track for me at all. And it didn't
seem like the guy whose narrative voice get when you
read the original stories. And I think in this regard,
I consider myself very much a purist. I like my
Holmes the way Doyle wrote it, and I may not succeed,
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but I am always trying to imitate the way Doyle
wrote and not sort of updated or bowdlerized. I wanted
I take my homes straight.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Joining us is Nicholas Meyer. He is, of course the
author of Sharlock Holmes and The Telegraph from Hell that
will be premiering the books making its premiere at the
Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven, Britannia on
September third. Nicholas Meyer will be in attendance to sign
books talk about Shawlock Holmes and the new novel six
o'clock on the third. That's the day after or Labor Day,
(15:01):
so folks, we hope you can join us. It's open
to the public. You can find out more at the
Garden District Bookshop, dot com and Nicholas Meyer. The seven
Percent Solution was interesting because it then led into a
whole new series of books. The follow up book, of Course,
which I thoroughly enjoyed, is about Holmes when he's sort
of in his lost years, where everybody thinks he's dead,
playing as a musician, which every all the movie versions
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will come out and say, oh, he played the violin.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
They forget that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Holmes in the books is this brilliant, genius level composer
and he's in musician and violinist and he actually is
playing with the symphony. And you proceed, You basically are
exploring things that are in the Doyle Opera the opera,
Well we're gonna getting that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And there's a ghost. This is a fascinating there's the
first one. We're not Holmes deals with Polser guys.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Go ahead, go ahead, Nick, if you would.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
The second Holmes book is not Holmes in the Paris Opera.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
That's The Canary.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's that's right, that's Holmes.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Number two is The West End Horror, which is Holmes
in the Theater District in March of eighteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But he disappears in the Canary one right.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, basically he disappears at the end of the.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Seven Percent Sotel Watson, you know that this experience dealing
with cocaine addiction and combining forces on a mystery with
Sigmund Freud. By the time it's all over, he simply
isn't ready to go back to London and he needs,
as he describes it, a little holiday. And he tells Watts,
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as I think he tells him in Doyle's original, you
would do well to follow the concert career of a violinist.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
And Siegerson I don't know why he picked that name,
but he does.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
And then he goes into what he Holmes buffs, you know,
called the Great Hiatus, where nobody knows where the heck
he was. So the third, my third Sherlock story, The
Canary Trainer, posits that before he went to Tibet, he
went to Paris and started giving violin less and then
discovered that there was a vacancy at the Paris Opera
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or orchestra members were quitting in droves because of mysterious
goings on at the Pas.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Operas the Phantom of the Opera Pantom. Yeah, and so
Holmes gets a job.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
He did in the orchestra of the Paris Opera, and
that's Holmes number three, which is the Canary Trainer.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Holmes number four.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
A very strange one called the Adventure of the Peculiar Protocols.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, I love that, which.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Is about the most famous, successful and vicious hoax.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Of all time, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
I've been fighting that for fifty years, man, I can't
wait to worry that one.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
There's that.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
And then after that came the Return of the Pharaoh,
which is Holmes and Watson.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Egypt in the early.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Part of the twentieth century, where there was huge archaeology Mania,
Egypto Mainia. Yeah, millionaires from all around the world were
descending on Egypt, strip it of its patrimony, everything that
was buried under the sand. You could become famous and
rich if you, you know, dug up Tut's tomb, which
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somebody eventually did.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
So that's number five. Number six is Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
And the Telegram from Hell that in nineteen sixteen and
involves these guys really coming back from a semi retired
the status to go to work for the British government
when her back is a wall fighting the Kaiser. And
number seven, which I was finishing.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Is called Sherlock Holmes and the Real Thing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And we can't and what is it? Is that near
the end of his life or because everyone kind of.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
So, I know, I finally went backwards.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Went backwards.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I couldn't keep.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Him Christopher, you know, Charlick Colins doesn't ever die. He
just pretends to. He disappears.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Oh you know, he's a break, he knows a vacation.
He goes and raise he goes and raises bees in Sussex.
But Nicholas Meyer, we're looking forward to having you at
the Garden District book Shop on the third of September,
ladies and gentlemen, That is the day after Labor Day, Tuesday,
six pm, twenty seven to twenty seven. Pretennon the historic
Rink shopping center at the corner of Washington Avenue and Pretenure.
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It's open to the public. More information at the Garden
District Bookshop dot com. And we do have to take
a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going
to continue this conversation about the new book and the
books that are upcoming with Nicholas Meyer, director and ask
you a little bit about some of your expansive career
in movies and television and all this.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Hold on him.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But when you when you come to the bookstore, don't
forget your magnifying glass and put on your deduction thinking
cap because you're about to meet Sir Nicol Meyer.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
H On that note, Nick Meyer, Hold on one second.
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Speaker 2 (24:15):
And chop on him again, We're again Nicholas. I'm so
glad to have you on the show. I can't wait
to hear more about your book that you're gonna be
reviewing and lecturing on at the bookstore coming up in
a couple of weeks. Can you tell us a little
bit more? You know, I'm an old fashioned Solvn Baptist,
hell Fire and Brimstone preacher. So the title caught my
attention a telegram from Hell and we don't want to
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say too much, we don't want to spoil it, but
whatever you think would be apropos to reveal a little
more information that might build the intrigue and get us
to really thinking, how can we figure this crime out?
That would be fun.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Nicholas Meyer set the stage for Sharlock Holmes in the
First World War, because there is a Conan Doyle story
about this. But this is a time where you'd expect
Holmes and Watson to be at their best, as the
Spies are descending upon London and Berlin and Paris.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
In fact, dor lost his son in that warning. I
don't think he ever recovered from it. The grief was overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Go ahead, no, he did.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
In fact, the slaughter on the continent is so great
that a whole generation yeah, literally white Detroid.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah. Even if they survived, they were mentally done in
and they.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
It really accounts for the strange rise of interest in spiritualism.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
People had lost.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Sons, fathers and brothers, and it takes a mental toll
on people of this kind of loss, and so many
people got interested in Ouiji boards and trying to communicate
with the dead. And Conan Doyle was not exempt. Son died, brother.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
In law died.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
It was a terrible, terrible time, and as of nineteen sixteen,
Doyle became a convinced believer in a spiritual.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
To a world, a world in the beyond, and he
spent the last.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Jack Whodini tried to prove them wrong. Remember that, And
you've even done a thing about Houdini.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Well, my dad wrote a biography and he really made
to a two part mini series with Adrian Brodie.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm a great fan of Houdini. Was amazing man.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, he had a strange friendship.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
And then in the two with Arthur Conan Doyle, right,
Arthur Conan Doyle saw Who he walked through a brick wall.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Since he couldn't explain how it was done, he.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Was convinced that who he had spiritual powers, even though
denied it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
He was very flattered.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
By the end of the world's most famous author because
he was just a you know, a kid from Hungary.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Who came to America when he was five.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Years old, and he grew up in poverty.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Tremendous poverty.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
And suddenly there was Doyle calling him a spiritual which
he denied, and of course Doyle said, well, he he'd
have to deny it because if he admitted he had
spiritual powers, his career as a magician. He finished, Yeah,
he was a little bit round the bend by.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And I mean his commitment to spiritualism. He actually people
forget that Conan Doyle was very much involved in British politics.
He had been actually a Liberal Unionist candidate for office.
He was actually offered a peerage, but his commitment to
spiritualism was what made it so he didn't end up
with that seat in the House of Boards. So it
was it was a commitment. I'm curious though, set up
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the stage if you would, Nicholas Meyer for Shaw Holmes
and a telegraph from how the book that we're going
to be talking about on September third at the Garden
District Bookshop, if you.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I'll give it my best shot. Basically, the last Sherlock
Holmes story that.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Doyle wrote, not the last one in the series, but
the last one he wrote, is a little story called
His Last Bow. And in that story we learn a
few interesting things. One is it's said in nineteen fourteen,
and we learned that the previous two years Homes had
been working undercover in America as a Irish sympathized named
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Gideon Altamont, and he had been playing sort of cat
and mouse with a German spymaster named von Bork, and
I took that thing as my sort of jumping off
point for the story of Holmes and von Bork and
being sort of brought out of retirement in late night
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in nineteen sixteen, and I tied it together with the
trial and ultimate hanging of Sir Roger Case and Roger
Casement had been knighted by the British government services to
humanity by having escaped Leopold's Belgian Congo alive to tell
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the stories of the atrocities committed by the Belgian and
the Belgian Congo to a shock world.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And he was very much admired by everyone.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
But when World War One broke out, he revealed his
own Anglo Irish patriotism and went from America where.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
He had been rabble rousing for Irish dependents.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
In the middle of World War One, he went to Germany,
who tried to convince Irish pow in German camps, prison
camps to come back into the war on the German side,
And even the Germans thought this was a little woo woo,
so they put him on a submarine back to Ireland
to you know, continue the good work, where he was
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instantly arrested and put on trial for treason by the
same government which had previously nighted him, and he was
sentenced he hanged, And I think part of what discovery
of his diary, the so called Black Diaries of Roger Casement,
which revealed him to have been a promiscuous homosexual who
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kept rather detailed accounts of his sexual encounters, which by
the way, may or may not have been forged by
British intelligence, but whether they were or they kind of
sealed his faith. And it's at this point that Microft,
or Microft's successor, who is the first m Sir William Melville,
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brings Holmes out of retirement down in.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Sussex, keeping bees and says, you knew Roger Casement in
America two years ago, would you be willing to be
thrown into Casement's cell as a fellow terrorist that he
won't tell us about German plan? And so Holmes allows him.
First they have to beat out of it.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Cracked rib black eye, broken too, sucked into a cell
at Brixton Prison with Roger Casement soon to be hanged,
and Roger Caseman tells him a strange story, and that
story is that there's a secret plan that Germany has
to win the war in twelve weeks. The only problem
is Chaseman doesn't know what the plan is, or if
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he does, he's not trusting. Give him Ultamont Holmes Spyia
enough to tell it to it, and so em wants
homes and wants it to go to America and try
to learn what this plan is. And what they soon
find out is that it revolves around a coded telegram
and that's all you're gonna get out of there.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That sounds good, Nicholas, We're exciting hell a telegram from
help folks.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You're just going to have to buy the book at
the Garden District Bookshop on September third, when Nicholas Meyer
is coming in to sign books and speak on Sholock
Holmes and the Telegraph from how he's joining by via
phone link from Los Angeles with Hi mc henry and
Christopher Tidmore on this edition of The Founder Show and Nick,
we're so excited to be hosting you at twenty seven
to twenty seven Britannia at the corner of Washington and Britannia.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
These are shameless plugs I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
For Gore, which of course we have even the trackies need.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
To be there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We need to have and that's a good, perfect segue.
I know there's a reason why we're partners into Nicholas Meyern.
Of course, you know we have the new bar in
the bookstore which is open every night till eight pm.
You can come in, have a cocktail, read a book.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
But that is Christmas.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Wait a minute, now, I'm assume we have someone from
the nu Orleance opera being good.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Well, let me talk about that.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
But wait, wait, I wanted to say something now, Nicholas,
I've had three combat tours and my background US Army
Special Forces. I was a counter intelligence agent with him.
I have a top secret clearance at CI. So all
of this is very fascinating. I mean, you mentioned World
War One, how terrible it was. I'm also a student
of war. I've been reading it and studying war since
i was a little kid. My father made was World
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War One and World War Two veteran, and so I
have it deeply entrenched in my family and my own
heart and mind and whatnot. I love the military, loves soldiers, marines, airmen,
and sailors. But one of the things you point, and
you made a good point of this, I believe. I'm
convinced after all my study and research of war, by far,
the worst war America was ever in was World War One.
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I don't think there was ever a more horrible and
terrible war where the soldiers are for the most than
World War One, unless perhaps the Civil War. And that's
I just wanted to make that point because this is
you know, the setting is World War One in this
and you're telegram from Hell.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
Well, one of the things that I observed the collapse
of American education.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
We don't teach anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well they don't.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
It's a joke kind of you know, trade knowledge, technical knowledge.
We don't teach civics. I don't. I don't know what
that's all about. We don't teach it. And we don't
teach history.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And somebody said, I think it was the philosopher of
Santana who George Santana's.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yes, do not learn the lessons that history teaches. Are
condemned to repeat those.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
And I think World War one, World War all this
stuff gets very quickly lost in the mists of time,
and so we wind up making the same mistakes again
and again and again.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
A lot of it has to do with the leadership,
you know, Eisenhower's military industrial complex issue. Uh, I call
it big brother government. They love war and they know
how to deceive the people, and that's one reason. And
they hot they keep us from the hip by design,
so we won't learn from history, and that's why we
keep doing the same dumb thing over and over and overall.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Never never ascribed to conspiracy with simple ignorance. Will explain,
but I will, but remember, I'm sure disagrees with you
on it, on that, on that, Nicholas Meyer, if I
may take a quick segue, because a lot of people
are like when I when I told a few of
my friends, I was having Nicholas Meyron to say, you
have a fan community amongst movie amongst movie buffs in
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general and sci fi buffs in particular, is the understatement
of the century. But you said something that just struck me.
A lot of your work in the film industry has
been kind of on that lesson that you're using historical
parallels and you're showing them that these are lessons that
have expended experienced before and not and certainly comes up
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in your Star Trek work, you know. And I was
curious if you could comment for the many many Star
Trek fans and the many many film fans you have,
you know how your film experience has influenced your writing.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
In the Showy calls well, life is strange, in case
you hadn't noticed it. I came out to California from
New York because I was in love with movies, and
I wanted movies, and I got lucky. Somebody recommended a
general to Napoleon and said, this guy's very good general.
And Napoleon said, I know he's good, but is he lucky?
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And I think luck plays a big role. I was not,
for example, a Star Trek fan. I'd never seen it,
or if I flashed by it when I was channel surfing, you.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Know, as a young man, I just kept going. I didn't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I think it's fair to say that whatever was important
or remarkable or imaginative about the show went right by me.
The fact that it had an interracial cast, that it
had women in positions of power, so all of.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
That just I missed all of that around long enough.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
You know, I was impatient, and I looked at the
cheesy costumes and I just kept going.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
And then when I was starting my career in.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
California and writing movies of the Week, and just beginning
I got to write and direct. Well, The Seven Percent
Solution became a movie and I sold the rights condition
that I write the screenplay. And then the screenplay for
The Seven Percent Solution was nominated for an AUSP and
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so now I had some kind of credibility.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
So when I wrote Time after Time, which was my HG.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
Wells versus Jack the Ripper sci fi, yeah, I love.
That was my directing debut, and HG.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Wells in nineteen eighty San Francisco still remained Yeah, and
one of the greatest juxtapositions of time I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
In my aside, I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Sorry do that when you're writing fictions.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Say that it was not my idea. I think I'm
more a pillager of other people's ideas.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
We all do that.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
We all do that along. Well Art is a history
of cut and pace.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Right and for those who join us, director and author
Nicholas Myers join us. And so from time after time
you went into.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Well what happened was at the end of that A
friend of mine, who was an executive at Paramount Is
Karen Moore, suggested that I go and meet Harv Bennett,
a producer who was on the lot at Paramounts. He
had been assigned to produce the second Star Trek movie.
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And I said, gee, is that's the one with the
man with twenty years and she's don't be such a snob.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
His nickname was Sherlock, by the way, logic logic. Well.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I went and met Harve Bennett, the producer, and I
liked him very much, and showed me the first movie,
and he showed me the episodes, and his job was
to get a second Star Trek movie made and not
to have a runaway production because the first one cost
forty five million dollars in nineteen seventy nine and they
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weren't going to give anybody that kind of money to
do another one. So he showed me all this stuff
and I started thinking about it, and I guess I'd
thought about it before, but I thought, jeeus reminds me
of something that I do understand or think I understand
and really love.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Were these books that I read.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
About the same age that I read Sherlock, which was
the Adventures of Captain Horatio Hornblower. Hornblower being an English
captain in the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars, and
he had a girl in every port.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Of course, and he was the influence for as it
turns out, Captain Kirk gene Runberry. I, you know, I
stumbled on that. I, you know, like everything, I sort
of enter backwards apologize, and so I thought, oh, this
is Hornblower in outer space.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I can do that, And so I got the gig
to direct the movie, of course that and they had
five scripts, and and they none of those scripts were
satisfying anybody. And I asked to read them, and I
plowed through them.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
I'm a very slow reader. And then I said, well,
why don't we make a list?
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Why don't make a list of anything we like in
these five scripts. Could be the major plot, it could
be a subplot. It could a sequence, it could be
a scene.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
It could be a character, it could be line of dialogue.
I don't care what it is.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
Let's just make that list. And then how about I
try to write a new script and incorporate as many
of these things on our laundry list as we all
agree on. And basically they said, well, that won't work
because unless we have a screenplay in twelve days. The
Special Effects House can't guarantee us the shots in time
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for the June opening.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
And I said, what what June opening?
Speaker 6 (40:18):
And they said, well, we've booked the picture of June
on June something something.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I said, you you, that's only the second movie you
ever directed.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I said, you booked the movie into theaters and that
there's no movie, and he said, well that's the way
it's always done.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
And so you came up, as it turns out to
what is arguably, though I will easily say, the greatest
Star Trek movie ever made. You brought con Union sing
into back into Cardo Montavon, back into it.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
And it's not it's not a Star Trek movie. It's
an icon of culture.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
The movie the Scream of con out of the Out
of the Genesis Planetoid from James Kirk remains the definition
of the idea of vengeance brought forth.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
In a movie.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And Nicholas Meyer, I can't tell you how much we have.
We're almost out of time, so I do want to
plug again. You're going to be with us on September
third at the Garden District Bookshop twenty seven to twenty seven,
Pertannia with your new book, Shaw Colmbs and the telegram
for hell and you're gonna be signing copies talking about it.
We look forward to seeing you, and for more information
go on the website to Gardendistrict Bookshop dot com. Nicholas Meyer,
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thank you so much for joining us here on the
Founder Show.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Thanks Nicholas, this is great. I can't wait to meet you.
It's been a privileged y, sir godmuch.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Thank you much, and folks will be back on the
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Well, folks, who are back and you are listening to
the Founders Show, and it is not time for us
to go into our chaplain babe bah patriotic moment. We'll
just take a brief moment to our you of the
biblical foundations of our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And
today we're going to talk about none other than Teddy Roosevelt,
my wife, Teddy Roosevelt. We've done him before, but I
thought it was apropos because Teddy Roosevelt was once a
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chief of police, the superintendent of all the police of
New York City, and he was quite a sleuth. He
was quite a Sherlock's Holmes himself before he was a
vice president and then the president. So let's hear the
wisdom of Teddy Roosevelt, one of the greatest presidents of
America has ever had. You know, he said that a
thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a
college education. Hmm. And he also said, I reverently invoke
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for my guidance the direction in favor of Almighty God.
I think Teddy Roosevelt really had a really strong belief
and dependence upon his creator. He knew how important it
was to depend on God in government, he said. He
went on to say, every thinking man, when he thinks,
realizes that the teachings of the Bible are so interroven
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and intertwined with our whole civic and social life that
it would be literally impossible for us to figure ourselves
what that life would be. If these standards were removed,
we would lose almost all the standards by which we
now judge both public and private morals. That means, you know, government,
and all the standards toward which we, with more or
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less resolutions, strive to raise ourselves. That's where America was
back then, folks. And of course you can clearly see
that's where Teddy Roosevelt was truly a great man of God. Well, folks,
where are you in this? Are you a person of God?
A man or a woman of God? Would you like
to be? Well, I'm gonna show you how you can
as we now go into our chaplain by by a
gospel moment where again I just take a brief moment
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to show you how you can know that you know that,
you know you're saved from a burning hell and guaranteed
everlasting life. And I sure wish old Sherlock could be
here to analyze all this right now. I think you'd
find it quite interesting as he applied his sleuthful ways
of investigations and interrogations, and as a remarkable detective that
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he was. You know, the Bible is a book of
It's a mystery book, it really is. There's a whole
lot of mystery that there's a whole lot of work
for a detective. Do is if you would apply the
analytical deductive mind of Sherlock Holmes throughout the Bible, you
would be fascinated to find out what you would discover.
So let's see what we can discover right now about
how do we know we're going to heaven and save
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from a burning hell? We just talked about a book
that said something about hell earlier in the show. Hell's
a terrible place, folks, don't It's where you don't ever
want to go? Do you know that Jesus preached more
about Hell than he did about Heaven. Our precious Rabbi
Jesus y Shuahamashia, you know, that's his heat. That was
the way they would pronounce his name. They called him
Rabbi yes Shuwahamchia two thousand years ago in Hebrew, folks,
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this is what Jesus said. He said that Hell was
a terrible place. It was a place of great fire,
great torment. He preached more about Hell than he did
about heaven. Was he a meaning note? He didn't want
you to go He wants you going to heaven. So
he did everything he could to warn you about the
dangers of your eternity in damn nation. He didn't want
you to go to Hell because he loves you. He
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loves all of us, folks, and so this is what
you need to know. He told a very religious man
wants this message, this very religious man, and he gave
him a message that didn't have a whole lot of
religion in it. He told this man he had to
be born again.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
And this highly.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Religious man founded a rabbinical school, which almost there were
only a couple of rabbinical schools. A few of them
he was one of the finners. His name's Nicodemus. He's
in John chapter three in the Book of John in
the Bible. He said, you must be born again. Oh
my goodness, what does that mean? Well, the word born
again means that your dead and dying spirit becomes fully
alive when you realize the great love of God for you,
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the great redemption God has for you, the great salvation
God has to you from a burning hell. He told
him this so that he could learn how to be
born again. He said, for God's soul loved the world.
That's you, that's everybody. For God so loved the world
that he gave his only gotten son. That's the Lord
Jesus Christ. He's perfect God, perfect man, all the way
God and all the way Man. He gave his only
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begotten son. That whosoever that's you again believeth in him. Well,
what do you believe in? I mean, if they believe
in somebody, you got to know what are you believing?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Well, this is what you have to believe. The scripture says,
the gospel is the power of God into salvation, and
then it tells what the gospel. That word gospel means
good news. The gospel is the power of God of
salvations to whosoever believeth And this is the gospel. Before
I declare to you. The gospel one queen is fifteen
that Christ died for all of your sins. I mean,
from the day you're born in the day you die,
you're tiniest to your greatest sins, all your sins, folks,
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he died for them all. He paid for them all.
He died for all your sins. According scripture, he was buried,
and then he rose again from the dead, according to
the scription. Now that's plain and simply the gospel. It's
that simple death barrel resurrection. Jesus kept saying, repent and
believe that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but
have everlasting life. You'll be safe from hell. I guaranteed heaven.
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But Jesus did say repent, repent and believe us. So
what is the word repentance? Things? So well, it's part
of your faith. Think of your faith as a two
sided going on one side of repentancy. The other side
is childlike faith, faith alone and Christ alone. You see,
repentance is when you believe you cannot save yourself. Religion says,
you can you see that very religious man Nicodemus was
trying all kinds of stuff to save himself, but nothing
(50:16):
seemed to be working. And that's why he went to Jesus.
He could see Jesus had the answers that comes out
in the text. He wanted to know, who are you?
How do you know all the how can you do
all these things? And Jesus told him you must be
born again. Nicodemus, God it. By the way, he became
a great follower of Christ. Will you also become a
follower of Christ like Nicodemus did. He realized finally all
his religion would never get him to heaven, no matter
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what he did, his prayers, his good works turned from
his sins. All the things we think we got to
do to help God out on the cross, right, that's
never gonna help God. It only gets in his way.
So just quit give it up. You don't need to
do all that. And with childlike faith, believe that Jesus
really did die for our since was buried and rose
from the dead. Believe it right now. The scripture says,
(50:57):
now today is the day of salvation. And like the
old country preacher said, don't wait until it's too late. Folks,
Please turn to Jesus right now. Turn from trusting in yourself.
That's repentance. Quit thinking you're going to be able to
do something to help God out. You're not. You're just
not good enough, So forget it. Scripture that's all of
your rights to sorts, filthy rags. And when you do that,
(51:18):
you're free, finally, totally free to put faith alone in Christ, alone,
with childlike faith, believe that He really did die for
all your sins and roasta dead. If you've never done before,
do it now. Well, folks, there's something else we got
to do now, because we're in that time. Well, I'm
talking about the end of this age. And boy wouldn't
Sheerlock love to do an investigation on this? Do you
know that there are over two hundred prophecies, mysteries, and
(51:40):
the scripture that predict Jesus's second coming, over two hundred.
There were over one hundred for his first coming, over
two hundred for a second coming. Does that mean the
second coming may be more important than the first? I
don't know, but I guarantee you there's a look at
the emphasis on it. He had to come the first
time if you did, and the second time wouldn't have worked.
So the first time is certainly very important. And that's
(52:02):
where he redeemed us, so we could be with him
in heaven forever, folks. But he is coming back, and
you need to know that. Jesus put great inmphasis on
it is all of that discourse. He said, when you
see all these things coming together, that's when I'm returning.
Now they have to all come together at the same time.
There's so many signs. There are wars, rooms of wars, pestilence, says,
you name it. But there's certain things that have never
happened before, like knowledge would increase. We've never seen knowledge
(52:25):
increase as it is right now earthquakes all around the world.
Never seen an increase in earthquake suck we're having right now.
You look at the geological record and see that folks
is or wasn't in the land. Now they're in the land.
That only could only happen once again. This is the
third time they're back. By the way, no other nation's
ever done that. Once a nation or an ethnic group
gets kicked out of their land, they never come back.
(52:45):
It's over with, except for the Jewish people. You think
maybe God's hand has something to do with that. You
think maybe God's involved with that. I think so.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
I know.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
So, folks, ladies and gentlemen, get ready because Jesus is
coming back soon. All those two hundred plus prophecies have
just bought every last one of them. I'm sure wouldn't
Sherlock Holmes will like to solve this mystery, because it
is a mystery. Jesus will come back. I'm coming back covertly.
I'm coming back like a thief in the night. People
aren't going to be ready for me, he says, most people,
But he says, we believers, we can know because we
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see the signs. We're studying the signs, just like oh,
Sherlock would have been doing. And guess what, we can
get the time down, not the day or the hour,
not the precise time, but certainly the season. And that
season is now upon us. Folks.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
I hope you're ready.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
You need a bunker, by the way, I think, because
things are going to get really bad, and I'm going
to recommend a bunker company for you. It's called the
Jesus Christ Corporation for Bunkers. And guess what it's going
to cost you. It's free. It's free. So go to
Jesus right now. Believe that he really did die for
all your sins. Was Bernian Wilseman did? And I guarantee
you because the Bible guarantees you, you will be safe
(53:48):
and burning hell, you will be guaranteed heaven, and you
will be ready for when Jesus comes back. So it's
not time to close us. And God bless all out
there
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