Do Government Deficits Elect Harris or Help Trump with Poorer Voters?

Do Government Deficits Elect Harris? Or Has Trump Gained with Poorer Voters Who Benefited From The Biden Spending Spree?

Hy & Christopher welcome Graham McFarlane, an economic forecaster with a Harvard MBA, who has a particular theory on who is going to win the presidential election. Despite his personal sympathies, he thinks that the level of government spending has widened to encompass almost 50% of the population, and he believes that gives Harris an advantage.

Interestingly, Christopher disagrees based on the data.  Not only are Trump and Harris tied in the swing states, but the rise in Trump’s support has come from poor, formally Democratic Caucasian-majority working class counties—which have been net beneficiaries of increased government spending over the last two decades.  And for the first time, early voting requests from those counties—and voter registration gains within them—have benefited the Republicans.

Christopher notes the example last week of Pennsylvania where for the first time in just over four years (10 statewide elections) that Republicans out-requested Democrats in mail absentees ballots. By midweek, there were 8,299 Republicans requesting mail-in ballots versus 8,079 Democrats. More importantly, many if those mail-in ballot requests came from some of the Keystone State’s most disadvantaged counties. Moreover, while Pennsylvania Democrats still enjoy a voter registration advantage, it has shrunk from 1.2 million in 2008 to just 325,000 today, a rightward shift that has occurred even as government spending has been boosted in some of the same former Democratic counties.  That may indicate that Trump is not viewed as a threat to the government largess by these key constituencies.

Wit large, Vice President Harris and former President Trump are virtually deadlocked in the major swing states that will play a deciding role in the election, according to new polling from The Hill and Emerson College Polling.  Trump narrowly leads Harris, 49 percent to 48 percent, in Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania; while in Arizona he leads 49 percent to 47 percent. Trump’s leads over Harris in these states are within the plus-or-minus three-point margin of error. The two candidates are deadlocked at 49 percent in Michigan and Wisconsin, while in Nevada Harris leads Trump 48 percent to 47 percent. The poll’s margin of error in Michigan is plus or minus 3.1 points and plus or minus three points in Wisconsin. In Nevada, the margin of error is plus or minus 3.2 points.

Interestingly, Harris lost a point in Arizona and North Carolina since the last Emerson College Polling/The Hill survey was conducted three weeks ago, but gained a point in Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Trump, on the other hand, gained a point in Pennsylvania and North Carolina but lost a point in Georgia and Nevada. Harris’s support remained unchanged in Michigan and Nevada while Trump’s remained unchanged in Arizona and Wisconsin.

McFarlane, Hy, and Christopher go on to talk about the dangerous impact of deficit financing, and how both parties have embraced massive deficits, yet Hy believes that Trump is trying to turn the ship.  Christopher remains skeptical.

We also talk about the impending visit of international opera star Raehann Bryce-Davis on October 22 to the Garden District for a sunset concert.  It’s a singular opportunity to meet an award winning star.  Tickets are available here.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to see the money? Then you don't, there's nothing to
fill the holes while then are feeling their pockets bid holes,
the politicians bouncing down the road. Every body's wition for

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it evention.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right now the races are tied for president, So how
much of this is a factor of the economy. Who's
doing well, who's doing badly? And why are they voting
for either Harris or Trump? That and a landmark opportunity
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:20):
Who if Christopher Tidmore you're roving reporter, resident radical moderate,
associate editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly
dot net And folks, as we are some twenty four
days from the election, we come out to a situation
that's about as well transparent as mud. No one quite
knows what is going to happen next, because the polling

(01:42):
is actually dead heated, and it hasn't really moved. In fact,
if anything, it's gotten tighter. New polling, according to Emerson College,
shows that Trump narrowly leads Harris forty nine to forty
eight percent. In Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Arizona, he leads
forty nine to forty seven percent. Here's the other thing.
The two candidates are deadlocked at forty nine percent. In

(02:04):
Michigan and Wisconsin, Nevada, Harris leads Trump forty eight to
forty seven. This is the margin of era is basically
three point two polls. But what it shows is the
polls have tightened on both ends. So Harri's support remains
unchanged in Michigan and Nevada, while Trump's remains unchanged in Arizona, Wisconsin,
but each gained points in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Harris

(02:29):
gained points in Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, while Trump gained a
point in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, but lost a point in
Georgia Nevada. But basically, here's the deal. Right now, everything
is tied, and how is it in these disparate states,
with disparate economies, with differing education levels. Why is it
so completely tied? And this is the question I've been

(02:53):
pondering in high and I've been charted talking about off air.
If the economy is really good, then to say Harris
would get a bump, because that goes on. If the
economy is really bad, you'd think Trump would be getting
a bump. Yet it's right now basically neither the two
candidates have their constituencies, and frankly, the two candidates are tied.

(03:15):
And so we're bringing an economic expert to try to
tell us what's going on economically that might be influencing
people's votes.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
So, folks, we've got a remarkable guest here, and as
it was once said, it's the economy stupid, our own
James Carl James as we know him. Anyway, we have
this remarkable guest, and this is going to have to
do with also my cardinal rule, the mcchenery cardinal rule

(03:42):
of historical analysis and his three simple words follow the money.
So we got a real pro here who's done this
all of his life. He has an NBA from Harvard University.
He went to Georgia Tech Vietnam. Vett also got another
master's degree in taxes and then the big thing as
he managed one of the largest foundations in the world

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really for twenty thirty years. That was his career. He
was a CFO. And then he also still is very
involved with the money game, let's say, as a consultant
and whatnot. And so without further ado, I give you
a very old friend, by the way, also a graduate
from Dallas Seminary getting what in most seminaries and churches

(04:26):
consider to be a doctorate, and that's an THHM from
Dallas Seminary. It's a five year degree. He finished in
four year years with honors. So he can also give
you any theological outlooks on this saying, so, without further ado,
I give us Graham McFarland Graham, welcome, to the show.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Welcome Graham.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, thank you very much for letting me participate with
you today. Hi, and Christopher, it's a privilege to talk,
and I know that with the time being limited, I'll
get straight to answering the very good analysis and questions
that Christopher was posing, Which is the races tightening here
going into the last several weeks before the election, Which

(05:10):
way could it go? What might swing it? What is
the possible outcome? But in order to answer that question,
I'm going high to have to take you on a
little bit of a seven step process in order to
get to the conclusion. I do think that in today's

(05:31):
American political economy, you mentioned it's the economy stupid. I
think that there has been a fundamental shift now in
the American political electorate. Whether Republican or Democrat, those are
the two principal parties. It's basically now a question of
which political party is going to support me the voter

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better financially, and government only really has two functions tax
which is or fiscal policy, the tax function, and the
spend the function. It spends money, it spends money, it
takes in in taxes. It spends money, it takes in
in borrowing, and generally government does not repay borrowings, it

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just borrows more to repay and spend more. The American
Electric is in this situation today because of a fundamental
thing that happened with the US budgetary system back in
the days of of Obama, and that is we used
to have in the United States. The founding fathers understood

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these two functions. They really understood that taxes were supposed
to be levied upon with the consent of the government,
and therefore the government should elect people who would represent
their interests and whether or not two tax But the

(07:03):
budgetary system was designed and in the Constitution and subsequent
laws so that all revenue bills, tax bills began in
the in the the House Ways and Means Committee, and
it was designed to eliminate all of the back and forth,
it's backscratching, so that when you had a tax bill

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come out, it was not subject to substantial revision without
going back to the committee and then from the House.
If it passed in the House, then it was sent
to the Senate for generally up and down vote. Now
there have been there are lots of lots of hair
over the last two hundred years to that process. But
that's generally how the budget was supposed to work. In

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other words, the government could only spend what was budgeted.
But what changed, well, they started doing what's called continuing
resolutions and we see that to this day. And so
what the continuing resolution means that every elected representative, whether
in the House or the Senate, can take turns being
the odd man out whose vote is needed to pass

(08:09):
a bill. And that allows for what is play they
called port barrel, but basically has become today theft. It
has become kickbacks. For example, foreign aid is money given
to foreign governments. The government takes the money puts a
part of it back into non profit organizations that a

(08:30):
politician might have.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
You can, all right, look, let's stop one second, because
I want to I want to get a little bit
more global. But I mean, we know that it's not
while I'm following the Yes, tax bills is supposed to
start in the House, it's not without precedent. For example,
the Reagan tax cuts started in the Senate. They did
not start in the House because the House wouldn't exit

(08:53):
them from the Ways and Means committee. So earmarks are
something that we're prevalent in the Bush administration, the Clinton administration,
all the way, basically everything up to about ninety four,
and prior to that you had it. None of these
particular changes are without a lot of precedent. And as
for deficit financing, well, frankly, I mean while we've gone

(09:15):
we've sun like really since the beginning of the war
and Terror, followed by the Obama administration and Obamacare followed
by Trump, and pretty much the deficits they are followed
by Biden. It's been kind of a bipartisan connection to
drunken sailors. Why are we seeing such different political takes?

(09:35):
Barack Obama won by seven points, Ronald Reagan won by eight,
Bill Clinton won by five. Why are we seeing this
time in the last couple of cycles everything being so
tight Where Donald Trump wins Pennsylvania by eighty thousand votes
and then loses it by seventy thousand, it basically let
one tenth of one percent, and we can cross apply that.

(09:57):
Why are we seeing such polarization even though the economy
has changed in multiple ways over that period?

Speaker 4 (10:04):
All right, Christopher, by the way, and I agree one
hundred percent of what you said, And it's awfully difficult
in a short period of time to try and trace
all of the ins and outs and changes that have
affected the core budgetary system of the United States. What
I have been describing, of course, is the ideal, and

(10:25):
we know that there has been changes back and forth.
They figured out how in the Senate, for example, to
try and have a revenue bill adjusted under different rules
the President of the Senate actually rules. We did have
a case here recently where they were trying to get
a suspending authority and incurred in a revenue build and

(10:48):
it was to President. The Senate turned it down much
to the s gren So what I want to get
to the core of your problem is that we have
two electrics now in the United States. One is dependent
on the spending function, and one is dispendent. Is probably
more interested in the revenue or tax raising function. People

(11:13):
with businesses, people who pay taxes, they're much more interested
in not paying taxes, and so by lowering taxes, which
is a lot of what the initial impetus that Trump
had was. By lowering taxes, you get the attention of people,
so you lower taxes, more revenue in their pockets. Conversely,

(11:34):
people who are much more interested in the spend function
of government, receiving social benefits, tax transfer payments, child support,
government spending in their districts which helps people get elected.
Those people have tended historically to be Democrat, and rather

(11:56):
than putting fiscal conservative labels out or politically liberal uh
uh stations, I would say that that that I believe
it is actiomatic today that we the electorate is split
basically along either being desirous of more money being spent

(12:17):
by the government for their benefit or less money taken
from people that they've earned that would is used to
support the currency in the United States, so the tax
pile except GRAMMYC.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Farland, the uh GRAHMMC. Frulin's joining Hi McHenry, Christopher Tidmore.
He's an expert on economic trends of Harvard m b A.
And very much been in the sector. But here's the
problem with what you just said. Historically, you've got you've
got a good argument, and that was typically uh a
class based voting system that tended to benefit Democrats and

(12:51):
Republicans based upon that, except professionals with graduate degrees are overwhelmingly,
according to the stats, vote voted for Biden and voting
for Harris. At the same time, those making between fifteen
one hundred thousand dollars a year are tending to vote
for Trump. And in fact, Trump is winning working class

(13:11):
voters who are beneficiaries of Obamacare and spending programs. In
that white working class voters as opposed to black or
Hispanic pooking grass voters he tends to win who are
net beneficiaries, not technical tax cars. One of the things
that's fascinating about the election is it's not breaking down
on the axiomatic basis that you said historically did in

(13:32):
the last cycle. You're seeing essentially upper middle class professionals
overwhelmingly counties in Pennsylvania, Delaware, Bucks, the Ring counties that
historically were Republican, the suburban leads of Republicans voting Democratic,
and yet areas that receive the highest proportion of government
outreach and spending, some under the Infrastructure bill, but also

(13:54):
recipients under Obamacare and social programs. To remember, despite popular opinion,
whites get more money than most minorities just because there's
more white people than there are blacks. Those areas that
are net reficients tend to be supportive of Trump. And
I mean, I know I'm oversimplifying, but basically, rule America
is tending to support Trump, and suburban America is tending

(14:17):
to support Harris. So the theory that you're going at
sounds great, and it would have worked into the two
thousands and into that, but now it doesn't reflect what's
happening in voting trends, which is, basically, if you don't
have a college education, you're tending to vote for Trump.
If you do have a college education or certainly a
graduate degree, you're tending to vote for Harris. And you know,

(14:38):
and along with certain key minority groups, and that's how
the election's tied.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Well, Christopher, here's what I think has changed and what
I think has changed if and by the way, when
I agree, when I listen to the description that you
have given of this situation, what comes to my mind
is the image of the old child's game of Chinese

(15:07):
pickup sticks, where you basically put these sticks out in
a pile and you're trying to you pull on one,
and you're not quite sure how it's going to affect
all of the others, which is one of the basic
problems of economics, which is why it's called the dismal science.
In other words, all of your analysis of economic data
that we're hearing from the political candidates. They leave out

(15:30):
what they used to say is other things being equal.
In other words, it's such a multi variant analysis it's
awfully difficult to isolate on one variable.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
What was it, Graham and Farland that Harry Truman said,
ever his economist would walk into the office and they'd say, well,
mister President, on the one hand, there is this and
on the other hand, and he slammed his hand on
the desk. He says, I want a one handed economist.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Because the buck stops there smoke and is so very true.
But here's what I want to say, Here's Christopher, Here's
what I think has changed. I could be wrong, but
here's what I think has changed. And I think it's
changed exponentially fast. I really believe when you look at
the tremendous amount of money that is spent by the government,

(16:14):
that that we have more people than ever before that
are much more dependent upon a liberal establishment that's going
to spend the money, then an establishment that's going to
put different priorities and lessen the spending and lessen the taxes.

(16:35):
That may give an example, there was an analysis Dona
there I can't remember exactly how many counties there are
in the United States. There's it's I think it's just
shy of five thousand. Don't hold me to the exact number.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I'm sure that twenty something. Yeah, but it's your and
they and they did.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
An analysis and well over half of the counties in
the United Estates now the primary employer is public some
type of public job. Now that includes school teachers, wonderful policemen, firemen,
love them, we need them. But it includes the city, county, state, federal, whatever.

(17:15):
In other words, well over half of those counties are
now basically the people in those counties are going to
vote their pocketbook, which is going to be a government
that's going to support them. For Let me give a
micro example that I learned this lesson a few years
ago back when we were living in Atlanta. It seems

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that there was a very large school district that had
gotten quite level with its spending. And so we had
a friend that ran for the school boy that was
going to be in favor of and in the proflicacy.
The backscratching that was going on. What they found out
in running law was is, for example, all the construction

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companies that removed all the buildings every three years when
they only really needed to be re reaved every ten years.
There was just at the grassroots level in a school district,
the votes bear there were going to be those who

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are going to support the spending. Now, I realize that's
just one minor personal example, but I think today what
has changed today is we have a remember the statistics.
How government statistics came about. They came about really in
the late forties and early fifties when the United Nations

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just trying to figure out how to manage these trusteeship
colonies that they had to shape up and increase the
living standards off and one of the ways they did
was they came up with the idea of the gross
domestic product. And today we have now a world of
macro and microeconomic statistics that are used politically to support

(19:05):
the views really of he who collects the data. Well,
let me I think that today. I think that the
collection of the data is not discounted, is not discounted
for where the source of the data comes from, and
that politically, Christopher, what you're seeing, what you're seeing in
the shifting electorate is what you're seeing in the shifting electorate,

(19:29):
the data that you use so accurately and correctly or citing,
I think that it's the electorate has become much more sophisticated,
whether a workman or a professional, I think they're much
more sophisticated on where they're You might say bread is buttered.
And I believe that the upper hand, and this is

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the upper hand is held today by the Democrat Party.
And that's why if you were depressed me to say,
based on the pol data and the economic data, and
the changing in the electric and what we're seeing on
a day by day basis, if you're asking me to
go to the betting window today and buy a ticket
based on what I'm seeing here so many days out

(20:14):
from the election. I'm not a Democrat, but I do
think that, based on my analysis of the changing and
shifting electorate, that the win today is in the sales
of the Democrat Party. And I think Trump is playing
a catch up game. I think he's trying to move

(20:35):
more to the spending side, find areas where he can
be willing to say he's willing to spend.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I've got a little something for us. Remember I said earlier,
follow the money, and so here I want to follow
the money the way I usually do it and the
way I know some of the top economic experts I've
heard before, And I call it street knowledge. You just
see what's happening on a street, and I think that's
going to have a whole lot to do with how
people vote. They remembered four years ago how good the

(21:04):
economy was, the remarkable things Trump did even during a pandemic,
the way he kept our economy going. They know he's
a winner when it comes to money, and I think
they want that back because they've just endured four years
of Democrat financial hell. So, Graham, is this making sense
to you? I know you're a good poker player.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Hi, I think you've absolutely picked a wonderful example to
talk about street knowledge in which is the game of poker.
And yes, I've played a little bit of poker, was
never quite that good at it. But I'm blessed to
have a brother who has participated more than once in
Las Vegas with the World Poker Championships. It costs several thousand.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Dollars to enter.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
You go there, hold up in these hotels and play
almost NonStop poker, and he was able to finish one year.
Like in the top six hundred players, which is quite
an accomplishment in the world of poker. Poker is a
game of skill politics a and this gives about Christopher's high.

(22:12):
My contention today is that when you talk about sophisticated
street knowledge, I think that is precisely the description of
what has occurred in the American political electric today. Politics
has become a very very sophisticated game of poker played
out on many levels, very sophisticated levels, much more complicated

(22:36):
than the days when JFK was running for president the
first time and he was so appealing on television. Now
we are some sixty to nearly seventy years later, and
now we have a very very sophisticated situation where a
politician running for the highest office in the land with

(22:57):
almost an infinite pocket book of cash. Today, whether it's
artificial intelligence or sophisticated game analysis, knows precisely what cards
to play when, and the other side has the same
sophisticated type of analysis.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, remember that if I think if it were quite
as sophisticated as everybody said, we'd be spending a lot
less money on politics. Because I don't I know senior
people in both the Trump and Harris campaigns and for
the super PACs that are really funding this because we're
no longer funding our elections to our campaigns. We're funding
it through super PACs for better or for worse. And

(23:39):
one of the things that's going is there's a very
slapdash person bizarre Matt menor this scientific matter of doing
elections is not present at senior levels. But there's something
I want to ask you real quick, and it goes
to your theorem about spending supporting elections. Here's the flaw
in the theory. And it's no disrespect to you, maybe

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because it used to be there was a lot of
truth in what you were saying. But let me show
you something and give you a little bit of hope
for if you're for your Trump supporter. So, for the
first time, Republicans have exceeded Democrats with early voting in
Pennsylvania two hundred and ninety nine Republicans requesting mail in

(24:21):
ballots to eight thousand and seventy nine Democrats. Now what's
interesting about those numbers is where those early voting stats
are coming from. They're coming from rural counties that are
net beneficiaries, massive net beneficiaries of government large if you
look at it, want to look at it another way.
Democrats still have a voting registration advantage in Pennsylvania. I'm

(24:43):
using Pennsylvania's sort of the perfect example of what is
happening as a because it's sort of it's the microcosm
of the country. Democrats used to lead voting registration by
one point two million in two thousand and eight when
a bomb was elected. They now lead by three hundred
and twenty five thousand. But what's fascinating about that is
the report publicans that have registered are not only from
counties where they're net beneficiaries, they themselves the differentials between

(25:07):
them tend to be net beneficiaries of tax dollars, whether
it's Obamacare or Medicaid or government programs. There's something that's
interesting about this to where this whole argument, well, Trump
will get spending out of this. Trump's never seen a
spending ability. He isn't liked it. Here's be the first
one to tell you that that's not an attack on
the man. He's never been particularly worried about fiscal discipline

(25:29):
any more than Democrats have. It's interesting that a lot
of the people that you're saying are sort of the
ones who are taking money and are supporting Democrats. They're
the ones supporting Trump. There's a definite statistic and why
union voters particularly, but also those who have been on
government payments are supporting Trump in counties and individuals. And

(25:52):
it kind of goes against the traditional theory you're coming
in because it's not what the data is telling us.
It's the data is telling us. The reason Trump is
actually fighting Harris to a tie is because he's getting
the votes of people who are getting the government money.
Does that make sense.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Here's my response to what you're saying. Every Saturday morning,
you can turn on the television and they have the
ranking of the top one hundred football teams in the
United States, and they have the games, and they have
it down to a science who's going to win. And
then they have a jury and they have these experts
sitting around a horseshoe table and they take a vote

(26:30):
and they tell you who is going to win the game,
and they keep a record of who wins and who's
is and who's the best. The problem today is until
the game is played, which is why the game is played,
is no one knows who's going to win. And it's
a little bit like the famous story of the twelve
blind men feeling different parts of the elephant and then

(26:51):
describing what the elephant is just from the part that
they touched. It's very difficult, Christopher, to take a handful
of counties or more that in one area of be
it Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, and be able to say from
feeling that part of the elephant, no pun intended. Politically,

(27:13):
it's going to scope up into action in the massive
electric on election day. And what I believe also is
that part of what you may be describing as positive
in that it may be that if enough money and
time and effort were spent on key counties where people

(27:34):
would wake up and vote according to their political feelings
of being Republican or Democrat rather than just a tax
or spend situation, it may be that that could occur.
My thesis is that things have gotten so the word
that's used, I didn't dream it up is the swamp.

(27:57):
Things have gotten so controlled by the swamp. It's all
most of the situation where it doesn't matter who gets elected,
because the swamp is going to continue to manipulate the
bureaucracy and the international policy of the United States in
the way that they have control or.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Maybe or maybe it's more simple than instead of the
swamp or conspiracy or backhanded.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
We have two presidential they've actually gotten Kamala Harris is
is on record for examples with Hillary Clinton's famous statement,
it's a question of who's in the bureaucracy.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Grammarland now granmed farreland is joining.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Now what years getting right people into positions in the
bureaucracy that are granted?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Hold that thought. Grammc farland's joining, Hi mcchnry and Christopher
TIEDD Moore here on the Founder Show. We've only got
about a minute left. You've got a final question. Maybe
the question High is that we've got two parties that
are both committed to spending and UH and deficit spending
and deficit this, and no fiscal sanity on either side.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
We do.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
My take on it is Trump spends it wisely, the
Democrats don't. Trump will spend on the military, law enforcement, UH,
small businesses, the wall, you know, shut down the horrible
situation on the border. That's all gonna cost money. And
that's why Trump will spend it. And that's why I
think people see it so But they just can't help.
But remember things were great in the economy when he

(29:26):
was the president. Things have been horrible since the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, but the problem is history.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Trump is also if you look at work to dismantle
the Trump I mean the swamp that takes a long time.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
You don't do it, and it.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Comes when you look at his four years in office.
He increased, boosted social spending, war and oka No. My
point being that Trump talks the game, that he was
a good game, but he actually acts as a Democrat.
And maybe that's the reason, going to Graham's point that
a lot of people former Democrats are voting for Trump
because he it seems like a Democrat with muscle, a

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big spending, big government kind of guy that also seems
like he'll, you know, he's got a little bit of
a hootspa maybe. But this in the trickest sense of
the small government concern of Ronald Reagan that GOP is
dead with a steak in its heart and Donald Trump
is the one wielding the steak.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Along with others.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Christopher Guar if.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
You want to have final thoughts on that, I think
Christopher is very close to hitting the nail on the
head because the latest statistics show that the United States
government is spending a trillion dollars, that's with a T
for tom, a trillion dollars every one hundred days, and
that is going to continue at infinitum for many years.

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And like turning a large tanker in the ocean, it
would take years right to try and turn that.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's one of my points. What you just said, Amen, well.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Grab on that note. Thank you so much for joining us.
I appreciate your patience.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
With thanks for having me. At the bottom line is
we got a job, wonderful job, and it's very much appreciated.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Thank you, Thank you Graham. That was great and we
got to get you on again. You're your tremendous guest.
Thank you, Thad, God bless you.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
By the way, watch it out up there in Texas,
your old Texican.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
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Speaker 4 (34:48):
October twenty second. It's going to be so much voice.

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Speaker 2 (36:13):
With Christopher Tidmore. And you know one thing it was,
I was listening to Graham's sort of with a certain
lament that the two parties have both kind of a band.
You know, at least the Republicans have kind of abandoned
their fiscal discipline. But I want to bring up something
that's been bothering me, and it's the argument about I

(36:33):
asked a Republican congressional candidate and it was an off
the record conversation. So I'm not gonna give his name,
but he's running for Congress and he's the soul. He's
the Republican nominee. And it's a very you know, it's
the district is democratic leaning, but he's got a fighting chance.
And so anyway, I'm interviewing him for an endorsement for

(36:54):
a national organization and I said, well, you're running in
a democratic dist how do you what areas do you
separate yourself from your party? And he and the guy
and the gentleman in question is a veteran. He's a
Vietnam War veteran and a very articular individual. But he
basically says, well, I don't support any of this Ukraine nonsense.

(37:16):
I said, what do you mean Ukraine nonsense? And he
proceeds to basically say Zelenski's a plant and a lot
of different conspiracy theories about Ukraine and that they go
to Russia into attacking them. And so I said, well,
where do you stand in Israel? And he said, well, no,
we have to have a round defense around Israel, you know,

(37:37):
and we should have you and peacekeepers protecting them if
any missiles come in, and we got to protect Adriel,
And I said, do you see kind of a disconnect
between these two viewpoints about two defenseless people, you know, fighting.
I mean, I can understand you don't want to be
involved in the world, and I can understand if he
you know, I don't agree with it, but I can
comprehend a consistency, and I understand you want to be

(37:59):
you want to fight off two. But I said, you
do understand that, you know Ukraine is well Ukraine triggered this.
I said why they wanted to join NATO. I said, well,
I mean their sovereign country, and we kind of encourage
people to join NATO because they could get attacked. And
I went in this. It was a circular argument, and
at the end of it, I basically said, you don't
see the parallels to Czechoslovakia with with Ukraine. And he

(38:22):
said absolutely not. And so I heard this and he said,
that's how I break with my party. And I said, well,
you're not really breaking at your party. You're kind of
on the same wrends as Donald Trump. I said, the
Party of Ron Reagan is standing up against you know,
the dictators is not really prevalent in our politics anymore.

(38:42):
And I kind of think about this when people like
me are wondering and don't like Trump but don't like Harris,
and I really feel homeless and don't want to vote
for Harris, and you know, really agree with you about
Biden's economic tendencies, and are their lack of and look
at this, and one of the things that is one

(39:03):
of the problems is the fact that Republicans historically have
always stood up against well, for lack of a better term, communist,
of which I hate to tell you this, Vladimir Putin
was one very active and basically aggressive leaders, and we're
not anymore. And I wonder how much that is affecting
the stats. And also the fact that Democrats are supporting

(39:26):
international engagement and that maybe some of their voters are
being lost because of that, because historically they didn't. The
reason I'm bringing this up is there seems to be
a shifting in the parties on not just spending, but
on international affairs in so many other ways. That may
explain why some of these kind of poor counties, these
non traditional voters who have usually not voted for Democrats

(39:49):
are shifting to Republicans, and why these suburban voters who
historically are Republican corps voters going back to Reagan and
Nixon and really beyond, have we shifted to the Democrats
and it may just come down to issues itself. Does
that make sense?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, Christopher. One of the things I'll see
here about both sides spending like they are America is
like literally in our government especially, is like an addict,
let's say, a heroin addict. Uh, you don't just yank
somebody off a heroin. You can kill them if you
do it. It takes time, and like Graham used a
great example of a big freighter. You don't turn a

(40:27):
giant freighter in a matter of minutes or even hours.
It might take a half a day or a day
to turn something that big.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
So it's just gonna take patients, and it's going to
take time to clean up our government. Uh. We need
to de weaponize that too. Many of the agencies are
weaponized against primarily against Republicans. And it could go the
other way, but right now, that's the way it's going.
That needs to end.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Right That's that is what I want to I want
to ask you now. I want to ask you a
question about what you just said and the whole area
about Trump. And this is what I'm getting at. Trump
didn't like say, hey, I'm spending money and I'm trying
to reduce it to some extent. That's what the Republican
position before Trump was. That's what Paul Ryan and others

(41:10):
were trying to do. Right now, Trump's position is I
don't care about how much we spend at all. And
and that's not a pejorative. He has said those words
and really believes it, because.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's just it's gonna take money to fix all this
many except to turn the giant freighter. It's gonna take money.
You don't do it by just.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Possible. He just doesn't care. He's not really a Republican.
He doesn't.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
No, that's wrong, right, No, no, no, because of the
way he's running his business. He's always run his business
very orderly and with a tight budget, and that's why
he's so successful. You have to have a responsible budget,
you have to have hi frugality and how you run
a business. Do you know? And then you're doing that?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
You know?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Do you know the man that's declared bankruptcy six times?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Fine, Christopher, Yes, because he's had some amazing setbacks with
an amazing recovers. That's why he's known as a comeback care.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Back with the patriotic moment Right after these important mess
sod stay tuned more of the Founder's show right after.

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Speaker 2 (43:40):
Join us Tuesday, October twenty second at twenty five four
Pritannia Street at five point thirty pm. That's right on
pretann You're right in the garden district to hear one
of the great musical talents of our generation. Her name
is Rhianne Bryce Davis, and she's providing an intimate garden
concert at sunset and you can come, folks. All you
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Speaker 3 (44:18):
Folks. We're back in this Chappaheil mckenry, and it's not
time for us to go into our chaplain bubba patriotic moment.
We just take a brief moment on the Founder Show
to give you a little history lesson on the biblical
foundations of our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And today
I want to talk about John Hancock, a fascinating fellow,
one of the truly great financial geniuses of America. He

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was a very, very wealthy merchant up in Massachusetts, Boston,
and in the very beginning of the revolution, early early stages,
he was reticent because he knew he could destroy his business,
he could lose it all, and so, but finally he
began to see the value of the cause and he
joined with the revolutionaries. And one day in seventeen seventy five,

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right at the very beginning of the fighting, let's say,
with the siege of Boston, there was a British major
that told him to disassemble and to go home in
the name of the sovereign King of England. And his
response was, we recognize no sovereign but God, and no
king but King Jesus. And do you know that that

(45:22):
was on the banners of our revolutionary forbears who marched
into battle, caring banners saying no king but King Jesus. Folks,
I think our finding fallows want to make sure they
kept God in government. But what about you?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Do you have God in you?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
You know, you could be the greatest biblical patriot that
ever lived and yet still dye and go to hell
if you didn't really know Jesus. You can know about him,
you can memorize the Bible, you can be very religious,
but that's not going to get you into heaven. Folks.
You have to have a personal relationship with your creator,
and that's the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible says, he's
the one who actually created the world. He spoke it

(45:58):
into existence. He is your creator. I think it's important
to get to know him and get to know him
in a personal way, and he shows you how to
do it. The Bible teaches us how to do it.
It's really it's simple because now it's time for us
to go into our chaplain by by a gospel moment
where we just take up again a short time to
show you how you can be certain that you're God's child,
that when you die you will be saved from hell

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and guaranteed heaven. And these are the basic tenets of
it all. You know, the Bible says, the Gospel is
the power of God unto salvation. Well, what is the gospel?
That word just plain simply means good news. It's an
old English word and it means good news, glad tidings. Hey,
happy times, That's what it means. So what are those

(46:42):
happy times? What are those good glad tidings? What is
the good news? It's this, the scripture says in First
Going Theians fifteen, for I declare to you the gospel,
the good news. There For I declare to you the
gospel that Christ died for all of our sins, and
that means from the day you're born and the day
you die, tinies to the greatest sins, he paid for

(47:02):
them all with his blood. That Jesus died for all
of our sins according to the scripture, that he was buried,
and that he rose from the dead according to the scripture.
And then to paraphraser from there, it goes on to
say that whoserver believeth in this great Gospel message will
be God's child and saved from hell guaranteed heaven. Folks,
if you've never done this before, you need to do
it now. You don't want to wait, you don't want

(47:23):
to put it off. You may not get tomorrow. So folks,
believe right now with all your heart that Jesus really
did die for all your sins, was buried and rose.
You know you're a sinner. The scripture says you're a sinner.
I've never seen people fail to finally face the fact that.
Some do it quickly, some take a while, but they
eventually they all see, Yes, we're sinners. I'm a sinner.
I've done things wrong in my life. I have been

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there're bad things about me. Everybody knows that, folks. People
who are ignoring that are pretending it's not true, or
living in a fantasy world. The people like that end
up insane Aslum's We all. You know one reason we
know we're sinners. It's a gold rule. Do unto others
as you would have them do under you. If somebody
does unto you something dirty, all of a sudden, you
know what sin is. You believe there really is sin.

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And if you have any doubts about whether you're a sinner,
just has a close friend and watch them talk. Folks,
we're all sinners.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
We just got to face that. It's okay.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
God knows it. He's not surprised. He doesn't hate you
for it. He doesn't dislike you. He just knows that's
the way it is. But he wants to fix it
for you. So he came up with a plan on
how to do that. He became a man. That's God,
the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. He became a man.
The Bible says that he that knew no sin, that's Jesus,
was made sin into all of your dirty, rotten sins. Folks,

(48:38):
He's turned into sin. Imagine that that's an amazing thought.
Think of how intimate he is with us, that he
knows every little, teeny tiny sin we do, because he
was turned into those sins for the whole world, folks,
He that new no sin, Jesus was made sin that
you might be made the righteousness of God In him.
He turns you and myself included. We're all just a

(48:59):
bunch of garbage. He turns us into the wonderful beauty
of God's righteousness. Isn't that an amazing trade? You get
it by just with childlike faith believing that's true for you.
You gotta believe it's for you. You can't believe it
for your kids. You can't believe it for your siblings,
your parents are anything, you got your best friends.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
It only works for you. See, God doesn't have any grandchildren,
He's just got children. This is something that is personal
between you and God. If you've never done this before, please, folks,
don't wait until it's too late. Like the old country
preacher said, and like the Bible says, now today is
the day of salvation. With all your heart right now,
and with all your heart, that means you had to repent.

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Repentance means you quit trusting in yourself. You realize you're
hopeless and helps without God, you're a dirty, rotten sin
of the scripturreys that for all have sinned and comes
short of the glory of God. And the Scripture says
the wages of sin is death. That means eternal damnation.
So what you need is a second birth. Jesus said,
you must be born again. That happens the moment you repent.

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But what is repentance. That's a very confusing word in Greek,
It just metanoia. It just means change your mind. So
change your mind about this, folks. Before you thought maybe
you could do something to help God out. You just
might be religious enough, rich enough, cool, enough, charming enough,
or whatever you think you got going for you. And
you think, ah, that'll help God out. I'll go half
the way and he can go to the other. Held ah,

(50:18):
he's got to go all the way. You can't even
put one little tiny thing in there. In the moment
you do, you cancel the deal. So forget it, give up.
That's repentance. Quit trusting in yourself. And to split second
you do that, you're free with all of your heart
now to believe that only He can, that he did,
and that He will save you from a burning hell
and guarantee you everlasting life. Folks, again, if you've never

(50:41):
done this before, do it now. The scripture says today
is the day of salvation. Believe right now with all
your heart that Jesus died for all your sins and
rose from the dead with childlike faith. And you can
do it well, folks. It's not time for us to
go into our chaplain by by testimony time. We're just
going to take a brief moment to give you a
story about some great Christian. We do it across the board, Catholics, Orthodox,

(51:04):
with the Protestants, whatever, Independence, Baptists, Primitive Christians, you name, it.
We do it with every group you can think of,
because they got great people in all those different groups.
All the different denominations have great great men and women
of God, children of God, who have great stories to
tell us about their lives, how their lives affected people.

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You know, the Scripture says, by the blood of the
Lamb and the word of their testimony, they overcame Satan.
So this is the testimony of one of my favorite people,
Charles Hadden Spurgeon, and I would call him reverend, but
he never accepted a title. He always went by mister Spurgeon.
He had a very little formal education. His education was

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in his grandfather's library, literally, and he became considered to
be one of the greatest theologians in the history of
the church. He started a little he took over actually
a very large church with nobody in it, about ten members,
and he turned it to be one of the largest
churches people wise, in Mary Old England, in London. This
is in the middle of the nineteenth century, and his

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numbers got so large he couldn't even they couldn't hold him.
They had he moved to the Crystal Palace where he
you know, he was overflowed crowds. Then they finally built
him this giant church called the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London, England,
and he was the rage of the town for forty years, folks.
And he founded missionary movements. He founded schools, colleges, seminary

(52:30):
as a guy was an astounding man. He filled up
shelves of books of what he had written. He would
read one book a day. I mean, this guy was
so intelligent, but he loved God. And you know what
he used to say, until you can explain the most
difficult theological issues to a child, you don't understand it yourself.
Think of that. That's why Jesus said, suffer the little

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children company for as such as a kingdom of God.
What a powerful story that is, folks. Think of that, folks.
That the impact that one man had with no formal
education but just love God. He influenced great preachers all
around the world in his day. Check him out. Charles
Hadden Spurgeon, one of my favorite of all preachers, known

(53:13):
as the Prince of all Preachers. Well, folks, it's no
time for us to close. As we close with a
mind Saint Martin singing a creole goodbye and God bless
all out there.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Does this have to be the end of the night?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You know I love you.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
In the pamal Land, I can see across the million stars.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
When I look in, we can allseey it's the sun time.
I suppose you couldn't call it a cre