July 5, 2024 • 54 mins
Louisiana is ranked 50th in fighting crime, the lowest of the low. Much of that has been driven by homicides in New Orleans, which reached an all-time high in 2022 (though murders have fallen in the last two years).
Hy and Christopher speak to Irv Magri, President of Crimefighters of Louisiana as well as the founding president of the PANO, about the rising incidents of crime and what can be done to arrest them. Magri speaks of the successes that he had as President of the LA Pardon Board, and how abandonment of the policies which he had championed have helped drive the rise in homicides. We also speak about how Crimefighters offers free counseling and legal aid to the victims of crime.
To conclude the show, in honor of independence week, Hy speaks on the legacy of Patrick Henry.
Hy and Christopher speak to Irv Magri, President of Crimefighters of Louisiana as well as the founding president of the PANO, about the rising incidents of crime and what can be done to arrest them. Magri speaks of the successes that he had as President of the LA Pardon Board, and how abandonment of the policies which he had championed have helped drive the rise in homicides. We also speak about how Crimefighters offers free counseling and legal aid to the victims of crime.
To conclude the show, in honor of independence week, Hy speaks on the legacy of Patrick Henry.
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Boles, the politicians, the dressed, the digitators and magicians chose to see
the money, then you don't.There's nothing to fill the holes while they
are feeling their pockets tied holes,the politicians bouncing down the road. Every
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body'sition for no moment, corruption anddysfunction. It's gonna take me divide into
vention, and God bless all outthere. You are now listening to the
founders. So the voice of thefounding fathers, you're Founding fathers coming to
you deep within the bowels of thosemystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big
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Easy, that old Crescent City,New Orleans, Louisiana, and high up
on top of that old Liberty cypresstree draped and Spanish moss way out on
the Eagles Branch is none other.Then you've been Gary Bubba a the Republic
Chaplain, Hi mc henry with ChristopherTidmore, you're roving reporter, resident radical
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moderate and associate editor of the LouisianaWeekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And folks, the main subject ofpeople when they're not dealing with the presidential
race is crime, rising levels ofcrime, and we're going to talk with
the literal expert on crime and howto fight it in the metropolitan New Orleans
area and across the country. Joiningus on the Founder's show is IRV Magray.
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If the name sounds familiar, heis literally the criminologist expert on crime
in New Orleans. He founded thePolice Association of New Orleans. He has
been one of the leading experts onhow to deal with crime. He's the
former chairman of the Pardon Board ofLouisiana under Mike Foster and has done it.
And Irv, I need to startoff with the question of this.
It seems like since the pandemic,everyone feels a little less safe. We're
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hearing examples of random shootings. Oneof my students is a tour guide actually
get shot in the French Quarter.Why is this the crime situation seemingly getting
worse. Well, there's many factors. One of the factors is that,
you know, we incredibly had avery weak governor in John Bell Edwards.
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That when you know, when Ikept calling for him to institute capital punishment
even though it is the law ofthe land in the good old Pelican State,
he refused. He said he wasa Catholic and that he did not
believe in capital punishment. Well,I reminded him and told him, of
course, I had him on tape. We had a debate in front of
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Cromfilers and that was I think intwenty and sixteen or twenty fifteen. Brother
anyway, at the hotel over there, the Clarion Hotel in Mandeville, and
on the record on tape videotape,he said that he would enforce capital punishment.
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So I reminded him. You knowthat people elected him because he made
that pledge to a great extent,and now he's renegging on it. Because
when I was chairman of the Stateparton board, the Great and late Murphy
J. Foster, Governor of Louisiana, him and I signed the last four
death penalty, and that was afterwe gave him all a reprieve hearing.
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A lot of people think that thelast appeal under Louisiana law goes back to
the United States Supreme Court or theLouisiana Supreme Court. Nope, the actual
lawyer law reads, after you've exhaustedall of your appeals in the criminal justice
system, you have a right toask for you or your attorneys have a
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right to ask for a reprieve hearing, and that is traditionally granted within forty
eight hours of execution and is heldat the Magistrate courtroom at Angola. And
I certainly held those hearings, andthey're very they're very quite frankly traumatic,
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and they're very you know, obviously, because if your rule that the death
penalty is to be carried out,then of course that subject meets his maker
within forty eight hours. But Igave everybody every when I was Geminal,
the pardon Board gave everybody a reprievehearing. It's like when I was Geminal,
the pardon Board. I reformed thatboard. I'm glad. I'm very
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proud of that. And for thosewho's joining us, IRV Magory, he's
the president of Crime Fighters, he'sa former chairman of the Party Board,
founder of the Police Association of NewOrleans. Is joining Hi mckenry and Christopher
Tidmore here in the Founder's Show andIV we talk about death penalty as a
deterrent. But there's a lot ofconversation there was under the last governor and
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under Donald Trump, who in hisspeeches takes a lot of credit for criminal
justice reform. You were not afan of the so called criminal justice reform,
whether it was Donald Trump or JohnBell Edwards. You basically made a
prediction. You said, the passageof this on the federal and local level
would lead to higher crime. Didit, yes, sir. In fact,
in twenty and seventeen, my formergood friend Danny Martini, Republican Senator,
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led the Reform Act, and hesaid it was the most important piece
of legislation that ever passed. AndI told him straight up, I said,
listen, Danny, We've always endorsedyou with crime fighters, always endorsed
you every time you ran for staterep state senator, and everything in between.
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And I said, this is ridiculous, this alleged reform. I said,
listen, but let me say thisrope with me, Hi and Chris.
Okay, listen, it is anybodythat has the courage and intelligence to
understand what the crime problem is.Okay. Sixty years ago, six zero
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when I started police. I cameon the police department in nineteen hundred and
sixty four. That's sixty years ago, I said. Then I laid out
a fifty year plan as the presidentof PANO. A fifty year plan,
it said, Number one we need. We're gonna have an oncoming narcotic problem.
I was laughed at by the OrleansParish school board. I asked that
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we have mandatory education K through twelve. What you know, explaining to the
people what is wrong with utilizing babituits, losinggenics, LSD, lysergic acid,
crack, cocaine, powder cocaine.I wrote the only book on narcotics in
Louisiana in sixty nine. I'm nota great I'm not a great guy,
but I understand what the problem is. Okay, And the problem is you've
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got to get this narcotic problem undercontrol. It's fueling a lot of the
violent crime. We can go up, you know. And I agree.
I blame Red China, I blameMexico. But now wait a minute,
we've got to look at ourselves andsay, look, we're a user nation.
Unfortunately, if we were not ausernation, foreign drugs would ride on
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foreign docs. But we are usingnation. I would urge President I would
hope that he would would institute Kthrough twelve, MEDITR and narcotic education.
Try to start drawing up the demandside. Try to start drawing up the
demand side. We've got too manynot only young people, middle aged and
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even older people utilizing illegal narcotics andthat fuels crime well. And and let
me let me get into some ofthe elements of criminal justice reform you've brought
up for those who's joining us.IRV Magrey, founder of PANO, President
of Crime Fighters, veteran criminologists joiningHimikkenry christ more here on the Founder Show
at WSLA and Wright now and erv. One of the things President Trump and
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John Bell Edwards that both talked aboutis essentially decriminalizing and leaving a lot of
people with drug felonies on you fromjail, releasing them and saving money for
that. One of the points youwarned about before criminal justice reform was passed
on the federal and state level wasparticularly heroin. And you talked about the
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fact that Louisiana, because we hadmandatory life sentence for heroin, had very
little heroin at usage. We decriminalizedheroin, and now it seems like it's
all over the place exactly. Seein nineteen sixty nine when a very nice
gentleman State Senator Ben Begett, whowas very close to PANO and I was
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his father, was of course acriminal District Court judge at Tulane and broad
Ben Baggett really fought to bring backcapit punishment which we had been pushing for
uh with the with the Police UnionPANO. Anyway, Yes, the problem
is you see a heroine when wewhen we made Heroin a life sentence,
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you could go stand down on SouthRampart Street with five dollar bills in your
hand and asked by Heroin. Youcouldn't because nobody wanted to take the chance
to go into jail for life imprisonment. You've got to make You've got to
make certain that there are consequences todrug dealing. Let me give you for
instance, a lady called me thatyou all both know, and she owns
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a modest hotel in the Bywater arearight outside the French Quarter by one and
a half blocks, and Chris andHi you both met her many times at
crime fighter meetings. Okay number one. Her home was Burgarage twenty three times
on Esplanade Avenue, twenty three policereports twenty three item numbers, no bs,
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that is actually twenty three burglaries.So her son and I urged her
go buy a weapon. She wasnever been arrested. Her life. A
good businesswoman, very good businesswoman,eighty one years old. She went and
got a smith the Western thirty eightcaliber revolver. About two months after she
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got the revolver, she was sleepingin her mansion. And that's what it
is, or leesbianat a gorgeous mansion, and she wakes up and there's a
subject in her room at three fortyfive in the morning. Well, certainly
he was not an invited guest,and he had several weapons on him,
including a four foot long crow ball. She felt something was in the room.
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She reached over to her night standand extracted a thirty eight caliber Smith
lesson, and in the pitch dark, pitch black, she fired one shot
and she struck the burglar in theneck. How she able to did that
shot? I'll call say, Igotta say, must have a I gotta
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say that there is a there's apoint of of confidence and there's a point
of dumb luck, and there's apoint where the two come together. Because
you could you could try to makethat shot, you wouldn't take it.
That's that's rather a gun. Yeah. Now the subject did not die the
blackmail, Uh, he was arecid of this fancy twenty five percent word
for repeat offender. And he raninto the neutral ground on Esplanade in the
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thirteen hundred block and he collapsed.Ms NLPD E MS arrived on the scene,
saved his life. But uh he'snow incocerated. But now I was
told by this victim that I representthat he's going to be released in three
years. So uh so he serveda total of let's see, about six
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years old total. That is notadequate. He should have gotten life imprisonment
because he's a recidivist. I thinkhe has eleven prior convictions. And will
he returned for payback? That's theconcern that anybody. Well, my question
is we're supposed to have three strikespells and where you know, third violent
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crime, you're supposed to never goto prison. What has happened? Why
is he getting released? Well,there's a lot of questions you have to
ask Doc. Doc doesn't particularly likeIRV macrit because when I was chairing of
the pardon board, you know,you just didn't get a pardon unless you
really deserved it, and you wouldnot. I never did pardon a violent
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criminal not died Mike Foster. Youknow, we had to work in the
way the parton board works it basicallyunless it's been changed in the past couple
of months, which I don't thinkit has. Basically is this. The
person comes before the party board.We have a parton board court room in
Baton Rouge. We would hear thecase. I would take up to three
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four hours on each case. Ohpeople, now they want to do it
in ten minutes or less. Andwe would hear the case and then we
make a recommendation. Now we sayno, the governor never sees it.
That was amendment number one in nineteenninety nine, nineteen ninety eight. Pardon
me, so before that he couldsee it, but now no, if
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we say no, he cannot seeit. He cannot act on it.
Now if we say yes, youhave to have four out of five votes
on the park Board to say yes, and then he goes to the governor.
Then he can use his discretion.But we never burdened the governor with
that. I mean allm robbers,multiple murders, you know, the the
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recidibus or a Peter Fenders. No. No, no, stay back in
jail, stay across rated, learnsome life skills, take anger management,
and try to learn a craft.Uh at an Angola Hunt Correctional. Oh
wait, David Wade a where youwere serving. But you're right, and
go to chapel. Go to chapeland we're gonna talk about that because that
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you've been involved with that. Iwant to get you both, because how
you worked with criminals and and sortof there is a point and how faith
and rehabilitation can work. I hada ten year jail ministry and I also
had a ministry with Cairos at Angolagoing to see the ones who are going
to be executed death row inmates,and it was one of the best times
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I ever had in my life workingwith criminals. I really mean that and
another bad ones and I saw somethings that would I can't even describe.
It was so ugly that I sawfrom some of these criminals. The cops
were magnificent and how they handled italways just they were real gentlemen. They
did the right thing. I neversaw a cop do you ever ever do
a bad I know they have badcops, but I never saw it,
Thank God, because I love thecops. But anyway, IRV, the
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I have found out and this Iwant to tell this story very quickly.
It's about Warden Kane. And itwas when LSU came to Angola and said,
let us put a university inside theprison so that we can help these
guys get better educated, so whenthey come out they'll have they'll be more
prepared for society and getting a job, a career and all that. And
immediately Kine said, Nope, itnever works. We've tried it before.
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It's a total failure. He said, the only thing that ever works is
spiritual. Well, that word gotaround before you knew it. The Southern
Baptist Seminary here in New Orleans senta delegation and proposing to set up a
school inside of the prison, andhe let him do it, and they
built a Bible college and a seminaryinside of the school. Angola went from
being the most violent prison in Americato now it's the most peaceful one.
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And they've actually built chapels in everycamp. You know, they have many,
many different camps, and not likeall just one big giant population.
They break them up. They haveto break them up into small groups.
So they have all these different camps, maybe a hundred people, a couple
hundred people, whatever, and eachcamp. Now the inmates have built their
own chapel and are providing their ownchaplains. This is a miracle story,
That's what I'm saying. You know, the thanks for rehabilitation, and you
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brought up some really good things.But let's not forget the God factor.
Amen. Oh amen. I'm astrue believer I was. I was chairman
of the Right to Life Committee forthe archdest season New Orwans. I'm I'm
opposed to abortion, and I believein Lord Jesus Christ, and this country
better start turning back to God Almighty. Amen. We were founded on Christian
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principles and we must return to them. Yes, and that's the and then
that's the God truth. We mustreturn and Jesus Christ is my Lord and
save you now. But I willsay this too, Bishop Ricky Sinclair,
are you familiar with him? Hi? Yes, not well but yes,
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okay, Well Bishop Sinclaia uh isnow become the official chaplain of crime fighters.
And uh he has a he hada real, a real problem.
Uh. He had a narcotic problem, a drug problem is which he really
admits to. And one of thefew pardons that I gave along with Governor
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Mike Foster, was to Ricky Sinclair. He had escaped from Angola and uh
he wrote a book called uh huhMiracle. In fact the name of his
church and that was Miracle Place.He's got many of the many of the
churches throughout Louisiana. He's got severalmega churches. Bishop Rickey Sinclair, Oh,
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I know him, Yes, Iwas second a Catholic, but now
he's a Batonis. I know him. He's a great guy. I know
him personally and he has and Ihad the privilege of medium a couple of
times at crime Fighters meetings. He'sgot incredible story. He was a convicted
felon. He was a line onthe criminal and he was a bad motive
scooter and he but he turned withChrist to turn around his life and he's
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his prison mindistries have been incredibly successful, as well as his personal ministries outside.
He's got a huge church. Beforestory, IRV Bakery is joining Hi
mc kenry, Christopher Tim Before wego to the break. We're going to
take a break in the Second Earth. But I do want to ask one
more question about Angola. And You'vebeen a harsh critic of the way Louisiana
imprisons people on the parish level,and yet a lot Angola. We think
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about it as this huge prison,and it is, but it's also a
very underused piece of property used tobe a massive plantation, and so there's
a lot of open property. Andyou've talked about we should centralize a lot
of our prison structures, a lotmore than relying on our sheriffs exactly.
Well, you see, this isthe unfortunate thing that you do. You
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and h I certainly understand you're verylearned and educated, but quite frankly,
here's what happens the sheriffs to supporttheir departments, how's state prisoners which they
shouldn't be doing. We just sawan example of that in Tangibahoa, uh
under Sheriff John Bell Edwards's brother,uh Sheriff Edwards and Uh what happened is
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they had an escape of four subjectsfrom the parish prison jail. They should
not have been there. You've gotto take and and and start utilizing all
of the acreage and Angola, whichis, you know, just a tremendous
amount of space at Angola, andwe could centralize them and if you want
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to get the Christian ministers in there, that's great, and that's a good
place to get them. And they'recentralized. But the DC pays the sheriffs
a very nice, a very niceamount of money per day per inmate.
So consequently they buy, they buildparish prison jails, and they want to
incarce rate people that don't belong inthe jail there instead of having them at
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Angola, which is a doc Departmentof Corrections institution. Now, I we'll
tell you, and it's bad.It's bad fiscal management because the state ends
up spending more money to pay thesheriffs to put him in than they do
to have people in actually sophisticated theprisons at Angola in the whole state.
It wastes millions upon millions of dollars, which is part of the reason we
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were supposed to have criminal justice reformin the first place, was to save
money. And yet one of themore basic ways of saving money is the
state has its own prisons, rightexactly, and back you get something in
before we go to break. CarolPequeno, who's one of our great executive
board members. She joined Cromfighters whenher husband was murdered on Cada's Street in
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New Orleans. Very nice gentleman,Billy Billy Ray Ray, Billy Joe Rains
and his wife Carol, the gentlemannext boxer, the thug that lived next
door to them, a blackmail.He came and knocked at the door one
Saturday and said, look, I'mgonna cook and I need forty dollars to
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heal my hands. I burnt myhands and I don't have the money to
get the necessary medication. And theysaid, well, we'll give you a
will on you the money. So, without even asking anybody to sign for
it, Carol and Billy loaned theguy forty dollars and so I guess he
went and went and drag it upor whatever. The next Saturday, Saturday
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night, there was a knock atthe door. They thought that the next
door neighbor was returning the forty dollars. Nope, him and another black mail
were in the porch and when Carolopened the door, they grabbed and they
said we're here to rape you.And she was a good Samaritan and gave
him forty dollars, and so shehollered for her husband, Bill Billy Billy
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Rains and Billy pretty pretty husky boy. He ran down the hallway to to
save his wife, and they shothim in the head and killed him right
there, right in front of him. And then they dragged her back into
the bedroom where she had a twoa two year old little girl, and
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they put the gun to the littlegirl's head and they told her to submit
or all blow your child's head off. And she instead fought like a tiger
and knocked the gun away somehow,and they fled. They operated one subject
and that subject would never give up. The second perpetrator and they and they,
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you know, they convicted him obviously. Now she has been very active
in Crownfighters and uh. She cameto me with a problem. I said,
okay, what's the problem. Shesaid, erv I know you don't
go to the Angola rodeo. Isaid, I'll never go. Sheef said,
look, I want your permission togo to Ingol and to meet with
Burl Kine. I said, itwon't do you any good, but you
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want to, you have my blessings. She said, I want to ask
him how much money he makes offthe rodeo, which started in nineteen sixty
four, and why we couldn't getmaybe a few pennies on the dollar to
go to victims' rights and victims ofviolent crime. We have so many people
have been murdered, their spouse hasbeen murdered, the children have been murdered.
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In our organization, we are survivinghomicide family members. I said,
okay, she went up there,and of course Burrow promised to oh,
yes, I'll take care of this, and next year you all will get
a check, you know, forthe victims of BAMN crime. I didn't
want the check, by the way, I told Carol set up her own
little little agency and let her handleI didn't want to touch any of that
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money, but I didn't will nevergive her a penny till this day.
We wrote five letters we have notread. We have not written a letter
yet to our good friend and greatfriend Jeff Landry, who we really strongly
endorsed and supported, but the othergovernors we cannot get a reading about where
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the ten to twenty million dollars arethe twenty million dollars for since nineteen sixty
conservatively, And so Carol asked thequestion over and over. We got the
five certified letters to prove it.She's asked over and over and over with
us, where is the money.I'd like to find out where those funds
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from. The Angola Rodeo have goneand Carol Pegueno is correct that in that
quest Earth Makri, I need youto hold that thought. He Earth Magriff
is joining us. He's the presidentof Crime Fighters. We're going to talk
about your organization, what you dofor victims on the other side of the
break. He's joining. Hi McHenryand Christopher did want to talk about the
conditions and state of crime here inLouisiana, why it's going up, and
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what can be done to actually makeit go down. And folks, hold
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Tidmore and that's Chapahei McHenry and I'vegot a question for irv as the founder
of Crime Fighters and the current president. Can you tell us more about that?
I know that's a great organization andI'd like to hear more about it.
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Earv. Well, thank you verymuch. Hi and Chris Well.
Basically, we are the largest probono victims rights organization in Louisiana. No
one, I want to stress this, no one, No one gets a
salary at whatsoever. I founded thisorganization on January fourth, nineteen ninety three.
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So we've now been, you know, in service quite a few decades.
And what we do, basically highand is this We take and people
come to us as victims of volantcrime, or they have been a spouse
or a child that's mother or fatherhas been murdered, or a lady that's
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been raped or aggravated battery, aggravatedberg Brihamy ask us for help. Now,
we do not take the place ofthe districttorneys or the assistant DiscT attorney.
But what we do is we havea staff of attorneys. We have
eight attorneys, and we have doctorGloria Marthel Leno, a great psychotherapist who
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has a degree a PhD degree outof out of l s U and she
specializes in grief counseling. So let'ssay your your your spouse has been murdered,
like Karen Paquino's spouse was murdered.Well, you can go to her
and she waves all of three hundreddollars or whatever fee she charges. She
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waves all of her fees, sothe victim never gets charged one red penny.
Likewise, our attorney staff, theydon't get one bread sent and they
just help them navigate through the criminalinjustice system. You know what is a
felony, what is a misdemeanor,what's the screening division and so forth?
And we have currently Now when Ilost my home in Grand Isle in hur
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and I lost everything. Uh,the storm just ripped me a bought along
with a tornado. I lost alot of the members ship lists, but
we were up to eighteen thousand members. Eighteen thousand members. Of course,
there's no dues, no initiation fee. Nobody gets a penny, but we
do. And we've gotten so manyrequests from other cities Houston, San Diego,
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Detroit, Miami, Atlanta, Jackson, Mississippi asking us to form a
crime Fighter's chapter, and we aregoing to. But that's were the largest
victims rights group in Louisiana by fourAnd you see, here's the deal.
We're out numbered. We're out numberedtremendously by the criminal rights groups you've got.
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You've got numerous criminal rights groups suchas Thugs United. You have the
NAACP Legal Defense Fund, you withthe ac ou Care and and COPE and
they all Behafa bat soups, youknow, uh and and but we are
we're strong in the sense that eventhough we don't have any money so to
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speak, we do have the membersand we do turn out to go to
the state legislature and we and wepropose bills. And by the way,
these other groups you just mentioned areheavily funded by like George Sorrows and the
other corrupt you know, foundations thatare promoting crime and all the evil that's
in the crime. But they're primate. No, no, my point,
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we got to be we gotta beprecise, but there are and one of
the things that I was and thiswhole victim's rights are underfunded in comparison to
criminal rights, and that's one ofthe things. And one of the things
you pointed out. There's actually anorganization or of Magray called Murderers Incorporated,
convictions convicts Incorporated. I want tokeep saying murdersing, but there's literally an
organization called Convicts Incorporated that advocates onbehalf of criminals and nobody on victims.
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So you get you're a victim ofviolent crime, you don't really have any
place to go. We supposedly havecompensation capacities for victims, but as you
pointed out, or if they rarely, if ever the victims ever get any
money in restitution. And some ofthe churches and whatnot and ministry do help
with victims for sure, But yehsee, you see, and I think
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I think Brother Christopher Tidmore and youhigh for bringing this out, But Convicts
Incorporated was out of Karen Crowe,Louisiana. And uh. The man that
heads that is an avowed as atheist, and he came into the pardon board
one day he came into the pardonboard courtroom in bat Rouge on Mayflower Street,
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and unbelievable. He I asked everybodyto stand before we begin the session,
and you know, set up justlike a courtroom. And I asked
everybody to please stand for the invocationand he refused to stand. So I
will over to him. I said, Sarah, may can't you stand for
the prayer? He said, becauseI don't believe in Jesus, I don't
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believe in God. I am asatan mercer bul. I want to tell
you whether you believe this or theaudience believes it or not. It happened.
Yeah, there numerous witnesses. Itwas a very clear day, not
a cloud in the sky because wehad these uh walls of ceiling, uh
windows, I mean just tremendous witha lot of light. And all of
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a sudden, when he said Iam an atheist and I praised the devil
Satan, a both of lightning camethrough. I thought, I thought it
struck the courtroom, and I meanit shook, it shook the building.
And wait, and then a secondbolt came came through and it shook,
it shook everybody and everything. Yeah, and uh, I think there was
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God Almighty saying uh uh, bythe way, you want to hear something
you want to say, I confused. These people are It's impossible logically speaking,
to be an atheist and a Satanist, because an atheist says there is
no supernatural, there is no God, is no devil, there's just nothing.
Everything's material. And so yet he'sclaiming that he's talking on both sides.
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But then they're liars. So Imean they look they live a lie.
Well, let's as fascinates as isand actually really is I believe Christopher
you were You're also on the boardof well, yeah right, I'm an
executive board member of Crime Fighters.I want to talk about sort of the
conditions and environment that kind of leadsto criminal activity. And this is something
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I want to get highs opinion onbecause he's he's on the board of one
of the most prominent New Orleans Missionhomeless charities that exist here. There's been
a lot of conversation in the pressabout the Supreme Court over upholding an organ
law that basically said you're not allowedto sleep on the street with a blanket
and a tent. I mean,they can't arrest you from just sitting on
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a park bench. But at theminute you put a blanket on, and
the idea was these homeless encampments werecreating conditions of crime. Well, and
I I want to ask I wantto ask her if you you you were
beat caught for years, you orpolice, you're a detective, you're a
private investigator before, and you're thefounder of PANO before you did any of
this stuff. The question is aboutenvironmental conditions. How much does that lead
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to crime? And how much dothese homeless encampments lead to crime? Well,
certainly they lead to crime. Anduh, and they should not be
tolerated. No, we we haveunfortunately we do not face our problems face
on. For instance, Uh,some places they actually give people needles.
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Yeah. Well, if you ifyou're shooting up with needles that are supplied
by the city, of the stateor any government agency, that's that's encouraging
narcotic use. Absolutely, I mean, that's just common sense. And we're
under attack in so many ways.I believe myself as a I'm a sinner.
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We all the glory of God.Okay, I'm a center, but
I love Jesus and I'm just goingto tell you this that we've got to
take We've got to take hold ourselvesand give ourselves a moral compass. Again,
we have no moral compass. Wordsthat we need patriotism. You know,
uh, many times I used togo out on my radio show in
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many years ago on the street corneron canal streets, where's our sense of
loyalty the country and patriotism? Youknow, I mean, I think it's
all a deteriorating of society. Andand listen, and the fact that we
have many families that do not havea male role factor. That is certainly
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a terrible situation, destroying the familyunit. And we cannot destroy the family
unit. You know, you're hittingyou're hitting almost all the criminals. If
you look at their fatherly, theydon't have fathers. Most criminals did not
grow up with the blessings of afather in the home well and in fact,
they don't know And in many partsof urban America, you don't know
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any men over the age of twentyfive who aren't dead or in prison.
So those are my kids, Yeah, my kids. They're called they call
themselves short termers, and that meansby their mid twenties, they know they're
going to be in jail for life, living at the Homeless Mission are dead.
They all know that. And thegreat tragedy of this whole story is
they think that's normal because that's allthey see in their world. It's so
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say it. It's one of thesayest things in America today. It's one
of our greatest tragedies. And themain sign media won't say hardly a thing
about it. You know, thecertain parties in the country won't say anything
about it. They act like nothing. It's so they actually glorify that kind
of lifestyle, and the universities glorifyit well, almost at a time.
IRV Magory, if joining him Kenryand Christopher Tidmore here on the Founder Show,
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with your experience with chrime fighters andPANO and your sixty years experience in
law enforcement, give us a littledirection because we can talk about the many
societal problems that we have, fromopioid to drug addictions, to father power
to other things, but it doesn'treally point at being able to cut the
crime rate in the next two tothree years. What are some policies that
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you see that we should implement orre implement here in Louisiana to have a
substantive change on crime and I knowyou're very close to Governor Jeff Landry some
of the things you might be advisinghim on. Well, let me send
let's see thank you for this timetoday. The main thing right now,
okay, what is Okay, let'sgo to seriously serious crime in Louisiana.
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Okay, Now in New Orleans andthe trouble is Okay, thank god that
Jeff Landry brought in the state PoliceNola Troupe Nola, because here's the situation.
Mitch Landrew. You know, weblame a lot of other people,
but Mitch Landrew, as mayor ofNew Orleans, took and signed a consent
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decree. Now this consent degree,uh, is is unbelievably stupid? Is
the great bird didn't tie the handsof the cops and just like tie that.
That's what I'm trying to say.Exactly. A first year law student
would have seen through this. Here'shere's is Okay. Let's say I was
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back on the street again. Okay, I was a platoon commander. Okay,
so I'm up in the second districtor the sixth district, Okay,
uptown New Orleans. Okay, uhtwo patrolmen see a man or two men
or three men knock an elderly ladydown at the street corps stop on Saint
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Charles Avenue. They've got to callSergeant Ervinel magritun you or what happens if
I you know, that takes threeor four minutes and the subject's gone,
yes, you have my permission.This is the stupidest, most asinine thing
you could do. They have handcuffedus. Now we can't even chase a
convicted I mean, a felon.Why do you think the state police are
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in here? They're making a lotmore arrest because they're not covered Bobby consent
degree. In fact, I wouldhope and pray that this federal judge,
and she's a good lady, thisfederal judge, I would hope the God
that she would take and undo thisconstraint and this handcuffing of the New Orleans
Police Department. The men and womenof the NPD deserve much better. There
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are a brave bunch of sales andthey deserve better. You know, I
think of this our found the fatherof America, George Washington, who's inauguration
Ay seventeen eighty nine. He broughteverybody onto his old church, Saint Paul's
chapel, and they prayed and fastedactually for the whole day, but that
at that time after the inauguration,where he's Sworen added, so help me
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God, they had a three hourprayer meeting and preaching service that went on.
That was the way they celebrated hisinauguration. And in it he quoted
Solomon who knew he would have problemsin his kingdom when he was dedicating his
kingdom to America, I mean toIsrael. We were dedicating America to God.
And so this is what he saida second chronicle seven fourteen. If
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my people who are called by myname will humble themselves, seek my face,
turn from their wicked ways and pray, then will I hear from heaven,
answer their prayers and heal their land. That's the way back. And
you know, prisons do a lotof that. I've seen many of my
kids. They go to jail,they come out better because it corrected them.
It taught them humility, and itit helped them find the right way.
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Let's say, so the work thatyou've done over your lifetime law enforcement
and even this you know, yourcurrent non government organization crime fighters, you're
doing such a great job to fulfillGeorge Washington's plea for America to turn back
to God. And I really wantto thank you for that, irvn I
think we've got if if somebody wantsto find out how to get in touch
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with crime Fighters, find out moreinformation, maybe join the organization, or
maybe as a victim and seeking help, how should they get in touch with
you? Yes, sir gentlemen,five O four two seven zero seven five
one three. Once again, ifyou'll look slow with that pencil today five
O four two seven zero seven fiveone three five oh four two seven zero
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seven five one three. As forIRV Magari and crime Fighters would be more
than happy to represent you completely free. I really want to take this time
to thank Hi and Chris tid ChristopherTidmore. These gentlemen are doing a great
service for the community and I salutethem and I'm proud to call them my
friends. And we're call you afriend or thank you, brother, IRV
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Magray, President of Crime Fighters,former founding president of the Police Association of
New Orleans, veteran police officer,and former president of Pardon, thank you
for joining us here on the FounderShow. And we'll be back with a
patriotic moment. Right after these importantmessages, stay tuned more of the founder
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eight. Well, folks are backin this chapel, Hi mcch heenry,
and it is now time for usto go into our chaplain by by patriotic
moment. We just take a briefmoment to remind you of the Biblical foundations
for our country, our Judeo Christianjurisprudence and is. Today's show was about
crime. I thought i'd talk aboutan attorney, a famous attorney, perhaps
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one of the most famous attorneys everin the history of Americans, one of
the greatest trial attorneys of his day. If you needed a good attorney,
you hired him wherever you were,from anywhere in the Thirteen Colleagues, and
he would go law. He hada law book, and he would travel.
His name was Patrick Henry, andPatrick Henry said this about America.
And he said this cannot be toooverly emphasized or often stated. This was
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in regard to a question, howdid America succeed against overwhelming odds. There
was no way the Unitedly the ThirteenColonies could have ever defeated the great British
Empire and thereat, the greatest militaryof the time and the greatest navy at
the time. It's just impossible.And yet we had a resounding victory.
It was hard. We took alot of losses. It was an enormous
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struggle, but in the end wewon, and we won hands down.
How did we do it? Noone could understand, no one could explain
it. And this is what PatrickHenry said. He said this cannot be
too overly emphasized or often stated.America was not successful because of religion or
by religionists. Hmm. He said, America was successful because of its devout,
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redeeming faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the redeemer of this world.
Folks, Right there we can seePatrick Henry knew that God needed to be
in the middle of America, andGod was the foundation of our jurisprudence.
Remember he was a great, oneof the greatest jurists of his day,
and he gave us another into hisunderstanding about God in the Bible. He
understood grace because you see, hesaid, it was not religion or by
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religious where religion is man working hisway to Heaven, man helping Jesus out
on the cross, or whatever.You know, however you want to say
it or see it. You see, true Christianity and truth saving faith is
when you cannot help yourself, you'recompletely helpless and hopeless without God. As
we now go into our chaplain byby a gospel moment. The Scripture says,
for we've been saved by grace.That word means free gift. It
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means just plain and simply a gift. We've been saved by a gift.
You don't pay for a gift.You can't earn it, you don't work
for it. It's free. You'vebeen saved by grace through faith. Now
you need free will to get itright. You got to take it.
If you don't take it, youdon't get it. We've been saved by
grace through faith. Faith is howyou take it. That's when you believe
it's true for you. That's howyou get make your free will choice for
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God. We've been saved by gracethrough faith. And even that is not
of ourselves. See, we're noteven good enough to create enough faith in
us. It is a gift fromGod. Even our faith comes as a
gift. And the Bible says Godgives the word of faith to every human
being in this world. We've beensaved by grace to faith, and even
that is not of ourselves. Itis a gift of God, not of
works. Lest any man should boastyou. See Old Patrick Henry really understood
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that when he made that statement.He said not. He said, it
can't be said too much, toemphasize too much. He said, it's
so important. So folks, itgoes like this. There's a couple of
things you need to know about allthis, very few enough that a child
can understand it. It's that simple. Genus said, unless you come as
a little child, you shall knowwhys enter in to heaven. These are
the fuse little simple things you needto do. You need to know that
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God loves you. The Bible sayshe loves you with an everlasting love.
You need to know that you've gota big love problem, and it's broken
up into two things. One issin that cuts love off and the other
thing is death, and that's yourfinal cutting off of love, and that
means a second death. Is whatwe're referring to here, what the Bible's
referring to here, Well, whatabout your sin problem? Jesus took care
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of that God, the Son,perfect God and perfect man, all the
way God and all the way man. He came to this earth to be
fully human so he could take careof a fully human problem, and that
is sin. And he did itwhen he died on the cross for all
of your sins, all of oursins, from the day we're born,
of the day we die, fromour tiniest to our greatest sins. They
all went on the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Bible says he was turned
into that sin, that then hemight give you his righteousness. Isn't that?
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I don't know how you can finda greater message of love to be
turned into the sin of the universe, of the whole world. How could
anybody, even I couldn't take onesin. He took it all, and
that was just half the job done. The other halves take care of our
death problem. He did that whenhe rose from the dead to win,
for each and every one of ushad precious, free gift of resurrection,
everlasting life. Now there are twothings you have to do to get this,
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and I already mentioned one. Youhave to repent, and word repentance
means you quit trusting in yourself.It's part of your faith. It's just
a function of faith. When youbelieve you cannot save yourself, you're hopeless
and helpless without God, destined toa burning hell. You just repent it.
It all takes place in your mind. It's an attitude, a hard
attitude. If you will when youknow you're such that big of a loser
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and you cannot help yourself much lesshelp Jesus on the cross. You're never
gonna do that, So just giveup. Quit trusting in yourself, Quit
thinking you can be so great,you can do something to some kind of
way, help you get in heaven. You cannot. And the moment you
realize that, you just repent it. Next step, put faith alone,
in Christ alone, believe that hereally did die for all your sins,
was buried and rose from the dead. And the scripture says, when you
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do that, bingo, You're in. You're God's child forever. He puts
in the pall of his hand.You can never get away, Jess said,
my father puts in the poem inhis hand, in his hand,
you can't escape. And he says, I'll put you in the poe in
my hand. You can't escape.He's got a double grip on your folks.
How are you gonna get away fromthat? And aren't you glad you
can't get away from it? Whichyou want to get away from it and
go to Hell? I don't Ihope you don't either. You don't want
to go to Hell, Folks.It's too hard for me to even describe
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it's so terrible, as impossible itis for me to describe the glory,
the beauty, the wonderfulness, thelove that's in heaven that's in for me
to fully describe it. It's sogreat. But it's just as hard for
me to describe how terrible Hell is, because it's so terrible. It's beyond
my ability to understand the depths ofthe powers, and the suffering and the
evil of hell. Where there's nolove, where there's no goodness, there's
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nothing good in Hell. Everything badgets thrown into Hell. All devils,
all sin, all death gets throwninto Hell. And tragically, some people,
men and women who reject God,they reject God to the very end
of their lives. They spurned Hislove to the very end. And then
there's only one place for them togo, a place where God is not.
It's called Hell. And so whenGod throws their sins in, their
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sin drags them in with them tobe consumed in Hell forever, where it
never ends. A torment never ends, it says, forever and ever and
ever, the smoke of the tornamentgoes up forever and ever and ever.
The scripture says, folks, don'tgo there. Believe right now with all
your heart that Jesus really did diefor all your sins, was better and
rose from the dead. The scripturesays, now today is a day of
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salvation. Like the old country Peachsaid, don't wait till it's too late.
And now, folks, it's timefor us to go into our chaplain.
Baba, watchmen on the wall.We just take a brief moment to
remind you of the biblical signs ofthe soon return of our precious Savior of
the Lord, Jesus Christ. Andhe's coming back extra soon, folks.
And I'm just I'm gonna talk kindof about crime right now, because when
Jesus comes, Before Jesus comes back, the whole world's gonna be embroiled in
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the worst levels of crime the world'sever known. Because the Antichrist, the
man of Sin, is going tobe ruling, and he's going to be
the chief criminal of them all,and he's going to have a huge following
of criminals. This whole world's gonnabe like a giant place, a prison
of criminals without walls. A prisonwithout walls, where everybody's running around hating
one another, killing another, steelfrom every bad thing you can think of,
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and it's going to be glorified.Crime will be glorified. But when
Jesus comes and we see all thathappening right now, it's only getting worse,
folks, that predictions of where crimeis going is not good right now.
So it's another fulfillment of biblical prophecythat in the end crime would go
through the ceiling. But when Jesuscomes back, he's fixing all that,
and there'll be no crime. There'llbe no wars, uh, you know,
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will beat our swords in the plowsharesand our spears and the pruning hooks,
I think, and we'll make warno more, and we'll learn war
no more. I really think thatthe greatest joy of any combat veteran out
there is to know that that oneday is coming, because if you've ever
been in combat, you don't wantto ever see war again. It's hell,
folks, There'll be no war.There'll be no crime, no illness,
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no need. Everybody will have morethan what they need, beautiful homes,
no hunger, no famd, andno disease, nothing folks, And
guess what, there's gonna be thegreatest police force the world's ever known,
because the chief of police is goingto be the Lord Jesus Christ. And
it says he's going to rule thenations with a rod of iron. So
guess what, nobody's getting out ofline. And he's gonna have the greatest
police force ever. You know why, because he's going to turn all of
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his followers into policemen. Yes,it says that we will be given our
own rods of iron to keep thepeace and prevent crime in this world.
Folks, that day is coming.I hope you're going to be with us.
I hope you're going to be therewhen the Saints go marching in.
Don't miss that time. And rememberthe greatest safe house you can ever get
in these hard times before us cominginto the apocalyptic period, it's gonna be
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the greatest bunker you get ever ofthe greatest safe house, and that's the
Lord Jesus Christ. Go to himright now, Make him your safe house,
make him your bunker. His nameis the Lord Jesus Christ. And
all you have to do is believethat he died for all your sins,
was buried and rose from the deadwith simple childlike faith. If you've never
done that before, do it now? Well, Folcus. The time for
us to go. As we closeit the mind Saint Martin singing a creole
goodbye and God bless all out it? Does this have to be the end
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of the night? Do I loveyou? In the pamal land, I
can see across the million stars Ilook at
Boles, the politicians, the dressed, the digitators and magicians chose to see
the money, then you don't.There's nothing to fill the holes while they
are feeling their pockets tied holes,the politicians bouncing down the road. Every
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body'sition for no moment, corruption anddysfunction. It's gonna take me divide into
vention, and God bless all outthere. You are now listening to the
founders. So the voice of thefounding fathers, you're Founding fathers coming to
you deep within the bowels of thosemystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big
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Easy, that old Crescent City,New Orleans, Louisiana, and high up
on top of that old Liberty cypresstree draped and Spanish moss way out on
the Eagles Branch is none other.Then you've been Gary Bubba a the Republic
Chaplain, Hi mc henry with ChristopherTidmore, you're roving reporter, resident radical
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moderate and associate editor of the LouisianaWeekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
And folks, the main subject ofpeople when they're not dealing with the presidential
race is crime, rising levels ofcrime, and we're going to talk with
the literal expert on crime and howto fight it in the metropolitan New Orleans
area and across the country. Joiningus on the Founder's show is IRV Magray.
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If the name sounds familiar, heis literally the criminologist expert on crime
in New Orleans. He founded thePolice Association of New Orleans. He has
been one of the leading experts onhow to deal with crime. He's the
former chairman of the Pardon Board ofLouisiana under Mike Foster and has done it.
And Irv, I need to startoff with the question of this.
It seems like since the pandemic,everyone feels a little less safe. We're
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hearing examples of random shootings. Oneof my students is a tour guide actually
get shot in the French Quarter.Why is this the crime situation seemingly getting
worse. Well, there's many factors. One of the factors is that,
you know, we incredibly had avery weak governor in John Bell Edwards.
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That when you know, when Ikept calling for him to institute capital punishment
even though it is the law ofthe land in the good old Pelican State,
he refused. He said he wasa Catholic and that he did not
believe in capital punishment. Well,I reminded him and told him, of
course, I had him on tape. We had a debate in front of
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Cromfilers and that was I think intwenty and sixteen or twenty fifteen. Brother
anyway, at the hotel over there, the Clarion Hotel in Mandeville, and
on the record on tape videotape,he said that he would enforce capital punishment.
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So I reminded him. You knowthat people elected him because he made
that pledge to a great extent,and now he's renegging on it. Because
when I was chairman of the Stateparton board, the Great and late Murphy
J. Foster, Governor of Louisiana, him and I signed the last four
death penalty, and that was afterwe gave him all a reprieve hearing.
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A lot of people think that thelast appeal under Louisiana law goes back to
the United States Supreme Court or theLouisiana Supreme Court. Nope, the actual
lawyer law reads, after you've exhaustedall of your appeals in the criminal justice
system, you have a right toask for you or your attorneys have a
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right to ask for a reprieve hearing, and that is traditionally granted within forty
eight hours of execution and is heldat the Magistrate courtroom at Angola. And
I certainly held those hearings, andthey're very they're very quite frankly traumatic,
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and they're very you know, obviously, because if your rule that the death
penalty is to be carried out,then of course that subject meets his maker
within forty eight hours. But Igave everybody every when I was Geminal,
the pardon Board gave everybody a reprievehearing. It's like when I was Geminal,
the pardon Board. I reformed thatboard. I'm glad. I'm very
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proud of that. And for thosewho's joining us, IRV Magory, he's
the president of Crime Fighters, he'sa former chairman of the Party Board,
founder of the Police Association of NewOrleans. Is joining Hi mckenry and Christopher
Tidmore here in the Founder's Show andIV we talk about death penalty as a
deterrent. But there's a lot ofconversation there was under the last governor and
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under Donald Trump, who in hisspeeches takes a lot of credit for criminal
justice reform. You were not afan of the so called criminal justice reform,
whether it was Donald Trump or JohnBell Edwards. You basically made a
prediction. You said, the passageof this on the federal and local level
would lead to higher crime. Didit, yes, sir. In fact,
in twenty and seventeen, my formergood friend Danny Martini, Republican Senator,
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led the Reform Act, and hesaid it was the most important piece
of legislation that ever passed. AndI told him straight up, I said,
listen, Danny, We've always endorsedyou with crime fighters, always endorsed
you every time you ran for staterep state senator, and everything in between.
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And I said, this is ridiculous, this alleged reform. I said,
listen, but let me say thisrope with me, Hi and Chris.
Okay, listen, it is anybodythat has the courage and intelligence to
understand what the crime problem is.Okay. Sixty years ago, six zero
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when I started police. I cameon the police department in nineteen hundred and
sixty four. That's sixty years ago, I said. Then I laid out
a fifty year plan as the presidentof PANO. A fifty year plan,
it said, Number one we need. We're gonna have an oncoming narcotic problem.
I was laughed at by the OrleansParish school board. I asked that
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we have mandatory education K through twelve. What you know, explaining to the
people what is wrong with utilizing babituits, losinggenics, LSD, lysergic acid,
crack, cocaine, powder cocaine.I wrote the only book on narcotics in
Louisiana in sixty nine. I'm nota great I'm not a great guy,
but I understand what the problem is. Okay, And the problem is you've
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got to get this narcotic problem undercontrol. It's fueling a lot of the
violent crime. We can go up, you know. And I agree.
I blame Red China, I blameMexico. But now wait a minute,
we've got to look at ourselves andsay, look, we're a user nation.
Unfortunately, if we were not ausernation, foreign drugs would ride on
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foreign docs. But we are usingnation. I would urge President I would
hope that he would would institute Kthrough twelve, MEDITR and narcotic education.
Try to start drawing up the demandside. Try to start drawing up the
demand side. We've got too manynot only young people, middle aged and
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even older people utilizing illegal narcotics andthat fuels crime well. And and let
me let me get into some ofthe elements of criminal justice reform you've brought
up for those who's joining us.IRV Magrey, founder of PANO, President
of Crime Fighters, veteran criminologists joiningHimikkenry christ more here on the Founder Show
at WSLA and Wright now and erv. One of the things President Trump and
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John Bell Edwards that both talked aboutis essentially decriminalizing and leaving a lot of
people with drug felonies on you fromjail, releasing them and saving money for
that. One of the points youwarned about before criminal justice reform was passed
on the federal and state level wasparticularly heroin. And you talked about the
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fact that Louisiana, because we hadmandatory life sentence for heroin, had very
little heroin at usage. We decriminalizedheroin, and now it seems like it's
all over the place exactly. Seein nineteen sixty nine when a very nice
gentleman State Senator Ben Begett, whowas very close to PANO and I was
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his father, was of course acriminal District Court judge at Tulane and broad
Ben Baggett really fought to bring backcapit punishment which we had been pushing for
uh with the with the Police UnionPANO. Anyway, Yes, the problem
is you see a heroine when wewhen we made Heroin a life sentence,
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you could go stand down on SouthRampart Street with five dollar bills in your
hand and asked by Heroin. Youcouldn't because nobody wanted to take the chance
to go into jail for life imprisonment. You've got to make You've got to
make certain that there are consequences todrug dealing. Let me give you for
instance, a lady called me thatyou all both know, and she owns
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a modest hotel in the Bywater arearight outside the French Quarter by one and
a half blocks, and Chris andHi you both met her many times at
crime fighter meetings. Okay number one. Her home was Burgarage twenty three times
on Esplanade Avenue, twenty three policereports twenty three item numbers, no bs,
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that is actually twenty three burglaries.So her son and I urged her
go buy a weapon. She wasnever been arrested. Her life. A
good businesswoman, very good businesswoman,eighty one years old. She went and
got a smith the Western thirty eightcaliber revolver. About two months after she
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got the revolver, she was sleepingin her mansion. And that's what it
is, or leesbianat a gorgeous mansion, and she wakes up and there's a
subject in her room at three fortyfive in the morning. Well, certainly
he was not an invited guest,and he had several weapons on him,
including a four foot long crow ball. She felt something was in the room.
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She reached over to her night standand extracted a thirty eight caliber Smith
lesson, and in the pitch dark, pitch black, she fired one shot
and she struck the burglar in theneck. How she able to did that
shot? I'll call say, Igotta say, must have a I gotta
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say that there is a there's apoint of of confidence and there's a point
of dumb luck, and there's apoint where the two come together. Because
you could you could try to makethat shot, you wouldn't take it.
That's that's rather a gun. Yeah. Now the subject did not die the
blackmail, Uh, he was arecid of this fancy twenty five percent word
for repeat offender. And he raninto the neutral ground on Esplanade in the
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thirteen hundred block and he collapsed.Ms NLPD E MS arrived on the scene,
saved his life. But uh he'snow incocerated. But now I was
told by this victim that I representthat he's going to be released in three
years. So uh so he serveda total of let's see, about six
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years old total. That is notadequate. He should have gotten life imprisonment
because he's a recidivist. I thinkhe has eleven prior convictions. And will
he returned for payback? That's theconcern that anybody. Well, my question
is we're supposed to have three strikespells and where you know, third violent
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crime, you're supposed to never goto prison. What has happened? Why
is he getting released? Well,there's a lot of questions you have to
ask Doc. Doc doesn't particularly likeIRV macrit because when I was chairing of
the pardon board, you know,you just didn't get a pardon unless you
really deserved it, and you wouldnot. I never did pardon a violent
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criminal not died Mike Foster. Youknow, we had to work in the
way the parton board works it basicallyunless it's been changed in the past couple
of months, which I don't thinkit has. Basically is this. The
person comes before the party board.We have a parton board court room in
Baton Rouge. We would hear thecase. I would take up to three
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four hours on each case. Ohpeople, now they want to do it
in ten minutes or less. Andwe would hear the case and then we
make a recommendation. Now we sayno, the governor never sees it.
That was amendment number one in nineteenninety nine, nineteen ninety eight. Pardon
me, so before that he couldsee it, but now no, if
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we say no, he cannot seeit. He cannot act on it.
Now if we say yes, youhave to have four out of five votes
on the park Board to say yes, and then he goes to the governor.
Then he can use his discretion.But we never burdened the governor with
that. I mean allm robbers,multiple murders, you know, the the
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recidibus or a Peter Fenders. No. No, no, stay back in
jail, stay across rated, learnsome life skills, take anger management,
and try to learn a craft.Uh at an Angola Hunt Correctional. Oh
wait, David Wade a where youwere serving. But you're right, and
go to chapel. Go to chapeland we're gonna talk about that because that
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you've been involved with that. Iwant to get you both, because how
you worked with criminals and and sortof there is a point and how faith
and rehabilitation can work. I hada ten year jail ministry and I also
had a ministry with Cairos at Angolagoing to see the ones who are going
to be executed death row inmates,and it was one of the best times
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I ever had in my life workingwith criminals. I really mean that and
another bad ones and I saw somethings that would I can't even describe.
It was so ugly that I sawfrom some of these criminals. The cops
were magnificent and how they handled italways just they were real gentlemen. They
did the right thing. I neversaw a cop do you ever ever do
a bad I know they have badcops, but I never saw it,
Thank God, because I love thecops. But anyway, IRV, the
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I have found out and this Iwant to tell this story very quickly.
It's about Warden Kane. And itwas when LSU came to Angola and said,
let us put a university inside theprison so that we can help these
guys get better educated, so whenthey come out they'll have they'll be more
prepared for society and getting a job, a career and all that. And
immediately Kine said, Nope, itnever works. We've tried it before.
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It's a total failure. He said, the only thing that ever works is
spiritual. Well, that word gotaround before you knew it. The Southern
Baptist Seminary here in New Orleans senta delegation and proposing to set up a
school inside of the prison, andhe let him do it, and they
built a Bible college and a seminaryinside of the school. Angola went from
being the most violent prison in Americato now it's the most peaceful one.
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And they've actually built chapels in everycamp. You know, they have many,
many different camps, and not likeall just one big giant population.
They break them up. They haveto break them up into small groups.
So they have all these different camps, maybe a hundred people, a couple
hundred people, whatever, and eachcamp. Now the inmates have built their
own chapel and are providing their ownchaplains. This is a miracle story,
That's what I'm saying. You know, the thanks for rehabilitation, and you
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brought up some really good things.But let's not forget the God factor.
Amen. Oh amen. I'm astrue believer I was. I was chairman
of the Right to Life Committee forthe archdest season New Orwans. I'm I'm
opposed to abortion, and I believein Lord Jesus Christ, and this country
better start turning back to God Almighty. Amen. We were founded on Christian
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principles and we must return to them. Yes, and that's the and then
that's the God truth. We mustreturn and Jesus Christ is my Lord and
save you now. But I willsay this too, Bishop Ricky Sinclair,
are you familiar with him? Hi? Yes, not well but yes,
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okay, Well Bishop Sinclaia uh isnow become the official chaplain of crime fighters.
And uh he has a he hada real, a real problem.
Uh. He had a narcotic problem, a drug problem is which he really
admits to. And one of thefew pardons that I gave along with Governor
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Mike Foster, was to Ricky Sinclair. He had escaped from Angola and uh
he wrote a book called uh huhMiracle. In fact the name of his
church and that was Miracle Place.He's got many of the many of the
churches throughout Louisiana. He's got severalmega churches. Bishop Rickey Sinclair, Oh,
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I know him, Yes, Iwas second a Catholic, but now
he's a Batonis. I know him. He's a great guy. I know
him personally and he has and Ihad the privilege of medium a couple of
times at crime Fighters meetings. He'sgot incredible story. He was a convicted
felon. He was a line onthe criminal and he was a bad motive
scooter and he but he turned withChrist to turn around his life and he's
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his prison mindistries have been incredibly successful, as well as his personal ministries outside.
He's got a huge church. Beforestory, IRV Bakery is joining Hi
mc kenry, Christopher Tim Before wego to the break. We're going to
take a break in the Second Earth. But I do want to ask one
more question about Angola. And You'vebeen a harsh critic of the way Louisiana
imprisons people on the parish level,and yet a lot Angola. We think
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about it as this huge prison,and it is, but it's also a
very underused piece of property used tobe a massive plantation, and so there's
a lot of open property. Andyou've talked about we should centralize a lot
of our prison structures, a lotmore than relying on our sheriffs exactly.
Well, you see, this isthe unfortunate thing that you do. You
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and h I certainly understand you're verylearned and educated, but quite frankly,
here's what happens the sheriffs to supporttheir departments, how's state prisoners which they
shouldn't be doing. We just sawan example of that in Tangibahoa, uh
under Sheriff John Bell Edwards's brother,uh Sheriff Edwards and Uh what happened is
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they had an escape of four subjectsfrom the parish prison jail. They should
not have been there. You've gotto take and and and start utilizing all
of the acreage and Angola, whichis, you know, just a tremendous
amount of space at Angola, andwe could centralize them and if you want
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to get the Christian ministers in there, that's great, and that's a good
place to get them. And they'recentralized. But the DC pays the sheriffs
a very nice, a very niceamount of money per day per inmate.
So consequently they buy, they buildparish prison jails, and they want to
incarce rate people that don't belong inthe jail there instead of having them at
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Angola, which is a doc Departmentof Corrections institution. Now, I we'll
tell you, and it's bad.It's bad fiscal management because the state ends
up spending more money to pay thesheriffs to put him in than they do
to have people in actually sophisticated theprisons at Angola in the whole state.
It wastes millions upon millions of dollars, which is part of the reason we
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were supposed to have criminal justice reformin the first place, was to save
money. And yet one of themore basic ways of saving money is the
state has its own prisons, rightexactly, and back you get something in
before we go to break. CarolPequeno, who's one of our great executive
board members. She joined Cromfighters whenher husband was murdered on Cada's Street in
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New Orleans. Very nice gentleman,Billy Billy Ray Ray, Billy Joe Rains
and his wife Carol, the gentlemannext boxer, the thug that lived next
door to them, a blackmail.He came and knocked at the door one
Saturday and said, look, I'mgonna cook and I need forty dollars to
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heal my hands. I burnt myhands and I don't have the money to
get the necessary medication. And theysaid, well, we'll give you a
will on you the money. So, without even asking anybody to sign for
it, Carol and Billy loaned theguy forty dollars and so I guess he
went and went and drag it upor whatever. The next Saturday, Saturday
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night, there was a knock atthe door. They thought that the next
door neighbor was returning the forty dollars. Nope, him and another black mail
were in the porch and when Carolopened the door, they grabbed and they
said we're here to rape you.And she was a good Samaritan and gave
him forty dollars, and so shehollered for her husband, Bill Billy Billy
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Rains and Billy pretty pretty husky boy. He ran down the hallway to to
save his wife, and they shothim in the head and killed him right
there, right in front of him. And then they dragged her back into
the bedroom where she had a twoa two year old little girl, and
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they put the gun to the littlegirl's head and they told her to submit
or all blow your child's head off. And she instead fought like a tiger
and knocked the gun away somehow,and they fled. They operated one subject
and that subject would never give up. The second perpetrator and they and they,
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you know, they convicted him obviously. Now she has been very active
in Crownfighters and uh. She cameto me with a problem. I said,
okay, what's the problem. Shesaid, erv I know you don't
go to the Angola rodeo. Isaid, I'll never go. Sheef said,
look, I want your permission togo to Ingol and to meet with
Burl Kine. I said, itwon't do you any good, but you
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want to, you have my blessings. She said, I want to ask
him how much money he makes offthe rodeo, which started in nineteen sixty
four, and why we couldn't getmaybe a few pennies on the dollar to
go to victims' rights and victims ofviolent crime. We have so many people
have been murdered, their spouse hasbeen murdered, the children have been murdered.
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In our organization, we are survivinghomicide family members. I said,
okay, she went up there,and of course Burrow promised to oh,
yes, I'll take care of this, and next year you all will get
a check, you know, forthe victims of BAMN crime. I didn't
want the check, by the way, I told Carol set up her own
little little agency and let her handleI didn't want to touch any of that
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money, but I didn't will nevergive her a penny till this day.
We wrote five letters we have notread. We have not written a letter
yet to our good friend and greatfriend Jeff Landry, who we really strongly
endorsed and supported, but the othergovernors we cannot get a reading about where
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the ten to twenty million dollars arethe twenty million dollars for since nineteen sixty
conservatively, And so Carol asked thequestion over and over. We got the
five certified letters to prove it.She's asked over and over and over with
us, where is the money.I'd like to find out where those funds
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from. The Angola Rodeo have goneand Carol Pegueno is correct that in that
quest Earth Makri, I need youto hold that thought. He Earth Magriff
is joining us. He's the presidentof Crime Fighters. We're going to talk
about your organization, what you dofor victims on the other side of the
break. He's joining. Hi McHenryand Christopher did want to talk about the
conditions and state of crime here inLouisiana, why it's going up, and
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Tidmore and that's Chapahei McHenry and I'vegot a question for irv as the founder
of Crime Fighters and the current president. Can you tell us more about that?
I know that's a great organization andI'd like to hear more about it.
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Earv. Well, thank you verymuch. Hi and Chris Well.
Basically, we are the largest probono victims rights organization in Louisiana. No
one, I want to stress this, no one, No one gets a
salary at whatsoever. I founded thisorganization on January fourth, nineteen ninety three.
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So we've now been, you know, in service quite a few decades.
And what we do, basically highand is this We take and people
come to us as victims of volantcrime, or they have been a spouse
or a child that's mother or fatherhas been murdered, or a lady that's
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been raped or aggravated battery, aggravatedberg Brihamy ask us for help. Now,
we do not take the place ofthe districttorneys or the assistant DiscT attorney.
But what we do is we havea staff of attorneys. We have
eight attorneys, and we have doctorGloria Marthel Leno, a great psychotherapist who
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has a degree a PhD degree outof out of l s U and she
specializes in grief counseling. So let'ssay your your your spouse has been murdered,
like Karen Paquino's spouse was murdered.Well, you can go to her
and she waves all of three hundreddollars or whatever fee she charges. She
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waves all of her fees, sothe victim never gets charged one red penny.
Likewise, our attorney staff, theydon't get one bread sent and they
just help them navigate through the criminalinjustice system. You know what is a
felony, what is a misdemeanor,what's the screening division and so forth?
And we have currently Now when Ilost my home in Grand Isle in hur
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and I lost everything. Uh,the storm just ripped me a bought along
with a tornado. I lost alot of the members ship lists, but
we were up to eighteen thousand members. Eighteen thousand members. Of course,
there's no dues, no initiation fee. Nobody gets a penny, but we
do. And we've gotten so manyrequests from other cities Houston, San Diego,
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Detroit, Miami, Atlanta, Jackson, Mississippi asking us to form a
crime Fighter's chapter, and we aregoing to. But that's were the largest
victims rights group in Louisiana by fourAnd you see, here's the deal.
We're out numbered. We're out numberedtremendously by the criminal rights groups you've got.
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You've got numerous criminal rights groups suchas Thugs United. You have the
NAACP Legal Defense Fund, you withthe ac ou Care and and COPE and
they all Behafa bat soups, youknow, uh and and but we are
we're strong in the sense that eventhough we don't have any money so to
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speak, we do have the membersand we do turn out to go to
the state legislature and we and wepropose bills. And by the way,
these other groups you just mentioned areheavily funded by like George Sorrows and the
other corrupt you know, foundations thatare promoting crime and all the evil that's
in the crime. But they're primate. No, no, my point,
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we got to be we gotta beprecise, but there are and one of
the things that I was and thiswhole victim's rights are underfunded in comparison to
criminal rights, and that's one ofthe things. And one of the things
you pointed out. There's actually anorganization or of Magray called Murderers Incorporated,
convictions convicts Incorporated. I want tokeep saying murdersing, but there's literally an
organization called Convicts Incorporated that advocates onbehalf of criminals and nobody on victims.
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So you get you're a victim ofviolent crime, you don't really have any
place to go. We supposedly havecompensation capacities for victims, but as you
pointed out, or if they rarely, if ever the victims ever get any
money in restitution. And some ofthe churches and whatnot and ministry do help
with victims for sure, But yehsee, you see, and I think
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I think Brother Christopher Tidmore and youhigh for bringing this out, But Convicts
Incorporated was out of Karen Crowe,Louisiana. And uh. The man that
heads that is an avowed as atheist, and he came into the pardon board
one day he came into the pardonboard courtroom in bat Rouge on Mayflower Street,
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and unbelievable. He I asked everybodyto stand before we begin the session,
and you know, set up justlike a courtroom. And I asked
everybody to please stand for the invocationand he refused to stand. So I
will over to him. I said, Sarah, may can't you stand for
the prayer? He said, becauseI don't believe in Jesus, I don't
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believe in God. I am asatan mercer bul. I want to tell
you whether you believe this or theaudience believes it or not. It happened.
Yeah, there numerous witnesses. Itwas a very clear day, not
a cloud in the sky because wehad these uh walls of ceiling, uh
windows, I mean just tremendous witha lot of light. And all of
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a sudden, when he said Iam an atheist and I praised the devil
Satan, a both of lightning camethrough. I thought, I thought it
struck the courtroom, and I meanit shook, it shook the building.
And wait, and then a secondbolt came came through and it shook,
it shook everybody and everything. Yeah, and uh, I think there was
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God Almighty saying uh uh, bythe way, you want to hear something
you want to say, I confused. These people are It's impossible logically speaking,
to be an atheist and a Satanist, because an atheist says there is
no supernatural, there is no God, is no devil, there's just nothing.
Everything's material. And so yet he'sclaiming that he's talking on both sides.
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But then they're liars. So Imean they look they live a lie.
Well, let's as fascinates as isand actually really is I believe Christopher
you were You're also on the boardof well, yeah right, I'm an
executive board member of Crime Fighters.I want to talk about sort of the
conditions and environment that kind of leadsto criminal activity. And this is something
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I want to get highs opinion onbecause he's he's on the board of one
of the most prominent New Orleans Missionhomeless charities that exist here. There's been
a lot of conversation in the pressabout the Supreme Court over upholding an organ
law that basically said you're not allowedto sleep on the street with a blanket
and a tent. I mean,they can't arrest you from just sitting on
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a park bench. But at theminute you put a blanket on, and
the idea was these homeless encampments werecreating conditions of crime. Well, and
I I want to ask I wantto ask her if you you you were
beat caught for years, you orpolice, you're a detective, you're a
private investigator before, and you're thefounder of PANO before you did any of
this stuff. The question is aboutenvironmental conditions. How much does that lead
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to crime? And how much dothese homeless encampments lead to crime? Well,
certainly they lead to crime. Anduh, and they should not be
tolerated. No, we we haveunfortunately we do not face our problems face
on. For instance, Uh,some places they actually give people needles.
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Yeah. Well, if you ifyou're shooting up with needles that are supplied
by the city, of the stateor any government agency, that's that's encouraging
narcotic use. Absolutely, I mean, that's just common sense. And we're
under attack in so many ways.I believe myself as a I'm a sinner.
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We all the glory of God.Okay, I'm a center, but
I love Jesus and I'm just goingto tell you this that we've got to
take We've got to take hold ourselvesand give ourselves a moral compass. Again,
we have no moral compass. Wordsthat we need patriotism. You know,
uh, many times I used togo out on my radio show in
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many years ago on the street corneron canal streets, where's our sense of
loyalty the country and patriotism? Youknow, I mean, I think it's
all a deteriorating of society. Andand listen, and the fact that we
have many families that do not havea male role factor. That is certainly
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a terrible situation, destroying the familyunit. And we cannot destroy the family
unit. You know, you're hittingyou're hitting almost all the criminals. If
you look at their fatherly, theydon't have fathers. Most criminals did not
grow up with the blessings of afather in the home well and in fact,
they don't know And in many partsof urban America, you don't know
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any men over the age of twentyfive who aren't dead or in prison.
So those are my kids, Yeah, my kids. They're called they call
themselves short termers, and that meansby their mid twenties, they know they're
going to be in jail for life, living at the Homeless Mission are dead.
They all know that. And thegreat tragedy of this whole story is
they think that's normal because that's allthey see in their world. It's so
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say it. It's one of thesayest things in America today. It's one
of our greatest tragedies. And themain sign media won't say hardly a thing
about it. You know, thecertain parties in the country won't say anything
about it. They act like nothing. It's so they actually glorify that kind
of lifestyle, and the universities glorifyit well, almost at a time.
IRV Magory, if joining him Kenryand Christopher Tidmore here on the Founder Show,
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with your experience with chrime fighters andPANO and your sixty years experience in
law enforcement, give us a littledirection because we can talk about the many
societal problems that we have, fromopioid to drug addictions, to father power
to other things, but it doesn'treally point at being able to cut the
crime rate in the next two tothree years. What are some policies that
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you see that we should implement orre implement here in Louisiana to have a
substantive change on crime and I knowyou're very close to Governor Jeff Landry some
of the things you might be advisinghim on. Well, let me send
let's see thank you for this timetoday. The main thing right now,
okay, what is Okay, let'sgo to seriously serious crime in Louisiana.
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Okay, Now in New Orleans andthe trouble is Okay, thank god that
Jeff Landry brought in the state PoliceNola Troupe Nola, because here's the situation.
Mitch Landrew. You know, weblame a lot of other people,
but Mitch Landrew, as mayor ofNew Orleans, took and signed a consent
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decree. Now this consent degree,uh, is is unbelievably stupid? Is
the great bird didn't tie the handsof the cops and just like tie that.
That's what I'm trying to say.Exactly. A first year law student
would have seen through this. Here'shere's is Okay. Let's say I was
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back on the street again. Okay, I was a platoon commander. Okay,
so I'm up in the second districtor the sixth district, Okay,
uptown New Orleans. Okay, uhtwo patrolmen see a man or two men
or three men knock an elderly ladydown at the street corps stop on Saint
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Charles Avenue. They've got to callSergeant Ervinel magritun you or what happens if
I you know, that takes threeor four minutes and the subject's gone,
yes, you have my permission.This is the stupidest, most asinine thing
you could do. They have handcuffedus. Now we can't even chase a
convicted I mean, a felon.Why do you think the state police are
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in here? They're making a lotmore arrest because they're not covered Bobby consent
degree. In fact, I wouldhope and pray that this federal judge,
and she's a good lady, thisfederal judge, I would hope the God
that she would take and undo thisconstraint and this handcuffing of the New Orleans
Police Department. The men and womenof the NPD deserve much better. There
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are a brave bunch of sales andthey deserve better. You know, I
think of this our found the fatherof America, George Washington, who's inauguration
Ay seventeen eighty nine. He broughteverybody onto his old church, Saint Paul's
chapel, and they prayed and fastedactually for the whole day, but that
at that time after the inauguration,where he's Sworen added, so help me
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God, they had a three hourprayer meeting and preaching service that went on.
That was the way they celebrated hisinauguration. And in it he quoted
Solomon who knew he would have problemsin his kingdom when he was dedicating his
kingdom to America, I mean toIsrael. We were dedicating America to God.
And so this is what he saida second chronicle seven fourteen. If
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my people who are called by myname will humble themselves, seek my face,
turn from their wicked ways and pray, then will I hear from heaven,
answer their prayers and heal their land. That's the way back. And
you know, prisons do a lotof that. I've seen many of my
kids. They go to jail,they come out better because it corrected them.
It taught them humility, and itit helped them find the right way.
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Let's say, so the work thatyou've done over your lifetime law enforcement
and even this you know, yourcurrent non government organization crime fighters, you're
doing such a great job to fulfillGeorge Washington's plea for America to turn back
to God. And I really wantto thank you for that, irvn I
think we've got if if somebody wantsto find out how to get in touch
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with crime Fighters, find out moreinformation, maybe join the organization, or
maybe as a victim and seeking help, how should they get in touch with
you? Yes, sir gentlemen,five O four two seven zero seven five
one three. Once again, ifyou'll look slow with that pencil today five
O four two seven zero seven fiveone three five oh four two seven zero
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seven five one three. As forIRV Magari and crime Fighters would be more
than happy to represent you completely free. I really want to take this time
to thank Hi and Chris tid ChristopherTidmore. These gentlemen are doing a great
service for the community and I salutethem and I'm proud to call them my
friends. And we're call you afriend or thank you, brother, IRV
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Magray, President of Crime Fighters,former founding president of the Police Association of
New Orleans, veteran police officer,and former president of Pardon, thank you
for joining us here on the FounderShow. And we'll be back with a
patriotic moment. Right after these importantmessages, stay tuned more of the founder
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eight. Well, folks are backin this chapel, Hi mcch heenry,
and it is now time for usto go into our chaplain by by patriotic
moment. We just take a briefmoment to remind you of the Biblical foundations
for our country, our Judeo Christianjurisprudence and is. Today's show was about
crime. I thought i'd talk aboutan attorney, a famous attorney, perhaps
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one of the most famous attorneys everin the history of Americans, one of
the greatest trial attorneys of his day. If you needed a good attorney,
you hired him wherever you were,from anywhere in the Thirteen Colleagues, and
he would go law. He hada law book, and he would travel.
His name was Patrick Henry, andPatrick Henry said this about America.
And he said this cannot be toooverly emphasized or often stated. This was
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in regard to a question, howdid America succeed against overwhelming odds. There
was no way the Unitedly the ThirteenColonies could have ever defeated the great British
Empire and thereat, the greatest militaryof the time and the greatest navy at
the time. It's just impossible.And yet we had a resounding victory.
It was hard. We took alot of losses. It was an enormous
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struggle, but in the end wewon, and we won hands down.
How did we do it? Noone could understand, no one could explain
it. And this is what PatrickHenry said. He said this cannot be
too overly emphasized or often stated.America was not successful because of religion or
by religionists. Hmm. He said, America was successful because of its devout,
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redeeming faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the redeemer of this world.
Folks, Right there we can seePatrick Henry knew that God needed to be
in the middle of America, andGod was the foundation of our jurisprudence.
Remember he was a great, oneof the greatest jurists of his day,
and he gave us another into hisunderstanding about God in the Bible. He
understood grace because you see, hesaid, it was not religion or by
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religious where religion is man working hisway to Heaven, man helping Jesus out
on the cross, or whatever.You know, however you want to say
it or see it. You see, true Christianity and truth saving faith is
when you cannot help yourself, you'recompletely helpless and hopeless without God. As
we now go into our chaplain byby a gospel moment. The Scripture says,
for we've been saved by grace.That word means free gift. It
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means just plain and simply a gift. We've been saved by a gift.
You don't pay for a gift.You can't earn it, you don't work
for it. It's free. You'vebeen saved by grace through faith. Now
you need free will to get itright. You got to take it.
If you don't take it, youdon't get it. We've been saved by
grace through faith. Faith is howyou take it. That's when you believe
it's true for you. That's howyou get make your free will choice for
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God. We've been saved by gracethrough faith. And even that is not
of ourselves. See, we're noteven good enough to create enough faith in
us. It is a gift fromGod. Even our faith comes as a
gift. And the Bible says Godgives the word of faith to every human
being in this world. We've beensaved by grace to faith, and even
that is not of ourselves. Itis a gift of God, not of
works. Lest any man should boastyou. See Old Patrick Henry really understood
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that when he made that statement.He said not. He said, it
can't be said too much, toemphasize too much. He said, it's
so important. So folks, itgoes like this. There's a couple of
things you need to know about allthis, very few enough that a child
can understand it. It's that simple. Genus said, unless you come as
a little child, you shall knowwhys enter in to heaven. These are
the fuse little simple things you needto do. You need to know that
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God loves you. The Bible sayshe loves you with an everlasting love.
You need to know that you've gota big love problem, and it's broken
up into two things. One issin that cuts love off and the other
thing is death, and that's yourfinal cutting off of love, and that
means a second death. Is whatwe're referring to here, what the Bible's
referring to here, Well, whatabout your sin problem? Jesus took care
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of that God, the Son,perfect God and perfect man, all the
way God and all the way man. He came to this earth to be
fully human so he could take careof a fully human problem, and that
is sin. And he did itwhen he died on the cross for all
of your sins, all of oursins, from the day we're born,
of the day we die, fromour tiniest to our greatest sins. They
all went on the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Bible says he was turned
into that sin, that then hemight give you his righteousness. Isn't that?
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I don't know how you can finda greater message of love to be
turned into the sin of the universe, of the whole world. How could
anybody, even I couldn't take onesin. He took it all, and
that was just half the job done. The other halves take care of our
death problem. He did that whenhe rose from the dead to win,
for each and every one of ushad precious, free gift of resurrection,
everlasting life. Now there are twothings you have to do to get this,
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and I already mentioned one. Youhave to repent, and word repentance
means you quit trusting in yourself.It's part of your faith. It's just
a function of faith. When youbelieve you cannot save yourself, you're hopeless
and helpless without God, destined toa burning hell. You just repent it.
It all takes place in your mind. It's an attitude, a hard
attitude. If you will when youknow you're such that big of a loser
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and you cannot help yourself much lesshelp Jesus on the cross. You're never
gonna do that, So just giveup. Quit trusting in yourself, Quit
thinking you can be so great,you can do something to some kind of
way, help you get in heaven. You cannot. And the moment you
realize that, you just repent it. Next step, put faith alone,
in Christ alone, believe that hereally did die for all your sins,
was buried and rose from the dead. And the scripture says, when you
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do that, bingo, You're in. You're God's child forever. He puts
in the pall of his hand.You can never get away, Jess said,
my father puts in the poem inhis hand, in his hand,
you can't escape. And he says, I'll put you in the poe in
my hand. You can't escape.He's got a double grip on your folks.
How are you gonna get away fromthat? And aren't you glad you
can't get away from it? Whichyou want to get away from it and
go to Hell? I don't Ihope you don't either. You don't want
to go to Hell, Folks.It's too hard for me to even describe
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it's so terrible, as impossible itis for me to describe the glory,
the beauty, the wonderfulness, thelove that's in heaven that's in for me
to fully describe it. It's sogreat. But it's just as hard for
me to describe how terrible Hell is, because it's so terrible. It's beyond
my ability to understand the depths ofthe powers, and the suffering and the
evil of hell. Where there's nolove, where there's no goodness, there's
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nothing good in Hell. Everything badgets thrown into Hell. All devils,
all sin, all death gets throwninto Hell. And tragically, some people,
men and women who reject God,they reject God to the very end
of their lives. They spurned Hislove to the very end. And then
there's only one place for them togo, a place where God is not.
It's called Hell. And so whenGod throws their sins in, their
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sin drags them in with them tobe consumed in Hell forever, where it
never ends. A torment never ends, it says, forever and ever and
ever, the smoke of the tornamentgoes up forever and ever and ever.
The scripture says, folks, don'tgo there. Believe right now with all
your heart that Jesus really did diefor all your sins, was better and
rose from the dead. The scripturesays, now today is a day of
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salvation. Like the old country Peachsaid, don't wait till it's too late.
And now, folks, it's timefor us to go into our chaplain.
Baba, watchmen on the wall.We just take a brief moment to
remind you of the biblical signs ofthe soon return of our precious Savior of
the Lord, Jesus Christ. Andhe's coming back extra soon, folks.
And I'm just I'm gonna talk kindof about crime right now, because when
Jesus comes, Before Jesus comes back, the whole world's gonna be embroiled in
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the worst levels of crime the world'sever known. Because the Antichrist, the
man of Sin, is going tobe ruling, and he's going to be
the chief criminal of them all,and he's going to have a huge following
of criminals. This whole world's gonnabe like a giant place, a prison
of criminals without walls. A prisonwithout walls, where everybody's running around hating
one another, killing another, steelfrom every bad thing you can think of,
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and it's going to be glorified.Crime will be glorified. But when
Jesus comes and we see all thathappening right now, it's only getting worse,
folks, that predictions of where crimeis going is not good right now.
So it's another fulfillment of biblical prophecythat in the end crime would go
through the ceiling. But when Jesuscomes back, he's fixing all that,
and there'll be no crime. There'llbe no wars, uh, you know,
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will beat our swords in the plowsharesand our spears and the pruning hooks,
I think, and we'll make warno more, and we'll learn war
no more. I really think thatthe greatest joy of any combat veteran out
there is to know that that oneday is coming, because if you've ever
been in combat, you don't wantto ever see war again. It's hell,
folks, There'll be no war.There'll be no crime, no illness,
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no need. Everybody will have morethan what they need, beautiful homes,
no hunger, no famd, andno disease, nothing folks, And
guess what, there's gonna be thegreatest police force the world's ever known,
because the chief of police is goingto be the Lord Jesus Christ. And
it says he's going to rule thenations with a rod of iron. So
guess what, nobody's getting out ofline. And he's gonna have the greatest
police force ever. You know why, because he's going to turn all of
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his followers into policemen. Yes,it says that we will be given our
own rods of iron to keep thepeace and prevent crime in this world.
Folks, that day is coming.I hope you're going to be with us.
I hope you're going to be therewhen the Saints go marching in.
Don't miss that time. And rememberthe greatest safe house you can ever get
in these hard times before us cominginto the apocalyptic period, it's gonna be
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the greatest bunker you get ever ofthe greatest safe house, and that's the
Lord Jesus Christ. Go to himright now, Make him your safe house,
make him your bunker. His nameis the Lord Jesus Christ. And
all you have to do is believethat he died for all your sins,
was buried and rose from the deadwith simple childlike faith. If you've never
done that before, do it now? Well, Folcus. The time for
us to go. As we closeit the mind Saint Martin singing a creole
goodbye and God bless all out it? Does this have to be the end
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of the night? Do I loveyou? In the pamal land, I
can see across the million stars Ilook at
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