June 14, 2024 • 54 mins
Hy and Christopher gaze across the pond to the snap United Kingdom Parliamentary elections and wonder if the divide on the Right could prove a cautionary tale for US conservatives. Currently Nigel Farage’s UK Reform party is poised to pass the ruling Conservatives in the polls—and as a result could deny almost 200 Tories reelection, while only electing five Reform MPs. It provides an interesting “what if” had the US Republicans not embraced Donald Trump. The Tories face electoral oblivion as the vote on the Right is divided. Could the same thing ever have happened in the US? (As we point out, such a scenario did happen in Canada in 1993.)
Then, turning to local history, families define a city, so when a document is found in Europe of tremendous historical importance that explains the reason one of those families came to North America (because they aggravated the French king), it is worthy of celebration. Hy and Christopher speak to Pierre Villere, who recently purchased an important diplomatic document from the middle of the 17th century and donated it to the Historic New Orleans Collection. It tells the tale of Leonardo Villere’s departure from the French court while serving as an envoy for the Duke of Milan.
It’s an important clue, now also posted online at villerefamily.com. The website has become a treasure trove of local historical resources, featuring documents and never before posted information covering the founding of New Orleans, the colonial period, the Revolution of 1768, the American Revolution, and the Battle of New Orleans. Pierre Villere speaks of his work to make this online resource of history available to everyone.
Then, turning to local history, families define a city, so when a document is found in Europe of tremendous historical importance that explains the reason one of those families came to North America (because they aggravated the French king), it is worthy of celebration. Hy and Christopher speak to Pierre Villere, who recently purchased an important diplomatic document from the middle of the 17th century and donated it to the Historic New Orleans Collection. It tells the tale of Leonardo Villere’s departure from the French court while serving as an envoy for the Duke of Milan.
It’s an important clue, now also posted online at villerefamily.com. The website has become a treasure trove of local historical resources, featuring documents and never before posted information covering the founding of New Orleans, the colonial period, the Revolution of 1768, the American Revolution, and the Battle of New Orleans. Pierre Villere speaks of his work to make this online resource of history available to everyone.
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Battles, the politicians addressed the digitdatas and magicians. Who's to see the
money? Then you don't, there'snothing to fill the holes while then are
feeling their pockets by holes, thepoliticians bouncing down the road. Everybody's wition
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for no moment, corruption and itsfunction it's gone. A date divide is
avention why the right doesn't facture alittle bit of a British example, And
ladies and gentlemen, a look ata New Orleans family and a piece of
information that has enriched the historic NewOrleans collection through the generosity of Pierre Villery.
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We're going to talk about that andmany other topics on this edition of
The Founders Show. And God blessall out there. You're now listening to
the Founder's Show, the voice tothe Founding Fathers. You're founding as coming
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high up on that old Liberty Cypresstree planted by none other than our original
French settlers, way up on thattree out on the Eagles Branch, covered
in Spanish Moss. This is noneother then you've been Gary Babba the Republic
chaplain, Hi mcenry, Christopher Tidmore. You're Roving a reporter, resident radical
moderate and associate editor of the LouisianaWeekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
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And I wanted to go a littlebit global because you and I off off
and off the air, will argueabout Trump just as much as we do
on the air. But I'm notbringing up Trump right now. I get
accusations that I'm not hard enough onTrump, and you get accusations I'm too
hard on Trump, but I am. Often I say, yeah, but
I'm just it's not exactly how Isay it. Yeah, but I say,
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you're very hard on him, andI see a lot of other guys
that are much worse than him,and you don't touch him, and I
don't get it, and I disagreewith that, and I give the history,
but that's actually not what I'm talkingabout. What I'm what I wanted
to use as a comparison of I. You know, a lot of people
in the center and the left whodon't like Trump will come up to me
and ask me a question, whyare you know Republican politicians who don't like
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Trump, so gutless people who usedto you know, and this is how
and this is those are their words, not mine. I'm just saying why
people who used to criticize Trump aren'tcriticizing getting along with the program and all?
This is it just that everybody's acoward, and I wanted to offer
a comparison. Everybody sold out Christopher, which also makes some cowards. Okay,
well, okay, but I'm goingto give I'm going to give them
political whores. Well I'll agree withthat statement, but I'm gonna give him
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a reason why, because the alternativeis destruction. So you're get this is
kind of weird. Let me explain. Look at the UK and the recent
elections. Now, for those thatdidn't follow, what has happened in the
UK and in the general election,the Conservatives went in the summer for you
know, to have a general electionand they're way behind the polls. But
the real reason why they had anearly election was to try to ward off
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what we would call in this caseit's a seventh party challenge, but a
party a challenge from the right byNigel Farage. You know, Trump's good
friends and what was called the ReformParty. Now what's interesting about this is
this scenario played off in Canada innineteen ninety three where a conservative party called
Reform fielded candidates against the ruling thenConservative Party and what happened was you ended
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up with twenty Reform members, sevenConservatives, and the Liberals in power for
the next fifteen years. Well,one of the things that's happened in the
UK that I found fascinating into watchingthis process is something very similar came to
about and this is what everyone inthe Republican Party that people were talking about
was afraid of with Trump. Whatthey were afraid of is after January sixth,
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that Trump would suddenly form another party, which he was actually talking about
if you remember correctly, he wascalling it the Patriot Party, he actually
named it. And the idea thatthis would challenge Republicans and the split of
the Conservative vote would essentially allow theDemocrats in for a generation. So it's
one of those questions of tactics doyou And Nigel Ferraj has been very blunt
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about it. He says, myjob is to kill the Conservative Party of
Britain. And you know, evenif that means that there is an overwhelming
labor majority. The fact is it'sbetter to kill the party and maybe come
back at a future election. Well, when this was tried in Canada with
a reform party, with a guywho was very similar his name was Preston
Manning, very similar to Nigel Ferrage, and I mean in the good ways.
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He was very articulated, he wasvery passionate, he was very you
know, doctionary conservative, whatever youwant to call it. When he tried
this, essentially he kept the Conservativesout of power for a generation. And
if you want to understand Canada's economicproblems they have right now, it dates
back to that period of taxes,regulation and all this. Canada for a
period of time actually had less regulationthan the United States under Prime minister by
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the name of Brian mulroney. Buthe was thought of his two left wing
on social issues and other issues.He wasn't liked in the West of Canada,
the Alberta, the traditional conservative areas, and so they proposed him.
Well, we've watched this script gooff in the UK, and what is
if you want to ask the questionpolitically, and a lot of people who
listen to me on the show sayyour Card and Trump, but you're not
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hard enough. You should be givingevery possible conspiracy theory. And I've always
tried to be balanced about this.I think I'm too hard others in US.
I try to be a journalist aboutthis in the same way I was
with David Vitter and with Bill Clinton, and my opposition to all of the
above because I didn't think they hadgreat character. My point about this was
I have never been incredibly harsh onpoliticians who have private concerns about Trump embracing
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him, and the reason was becauseI know what happens. And you might
call this slovenly cowardly sellout, that'swhat you call it. But at the
same time, what happens politically.The British are giving us an instruction to
conservative parties that split the vote andguess what, they stay out of power.
What's the collapse of parties. It'slike a slow moving wreck that we've
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watched in the United Kingdom and itcould just as easily happen here. So
for those that wonder whether Trump willwin or lose, the question is will
the Republican Party split? And rightnow, the one thing that the Trump
take over the party has happened isit's not so much as it's taken over
the party. Is the party hasmanaged to hold together when a lot of
people thought it wouldn't. The nickyHalley coming over to Trump, so on
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and so forth. You can thinkit's a good or bad thing, but
it's not as surprising or as muchof a sellout as people will always judge
the alternative to be worse. Andthat's always the trick bag that the never
trumpers have in the United States.Do you really think Biden's better? Some
people will say Biden's better. Idon't. I'll be honest. I wanted,
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I actually was ready for a thirdparty challenge, because there aren't.
For people me, there are nochoices, there are no You might agree
with Trump on some of the politicalissues, and I do most of them.
I disagree with them on trade,but I agree with them on a
lot of issues and taxes and others. I agree with Biden very few issues.
There's a few ideal, but notmany, And so you're without option.
What do you do in that situation? And that's one of the questions
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that a lot of people who arefacing queasiness in an election are facing.
Of course, if you have aproblem with this and your challenge and many
might be I suggest to Ben Franklinclothes you put down all the things that
you want to see happen in America. You put both men down in this
case for Trump and Biden, andor if there's another third party candidate,
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and then you run down and youcheck which ones are doing the best on
each issue. Taxation, immigration,you know, the border, the helping
and the building of the economy,the deliverance from the runaway inflation we have
under Biden right now, Criminality,crime, well, are you happy with
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the crime situation right now? Wouldyou like to see it get better?
Who would do the better job?And you do? That matters? So,
I mean, there's so many healthissues, there's so many issues we
can list about that you're concerned about. And you go down there and you
look at each person their record,what they did in office, what they
proved they could do, and evenwhat they're standing for. But you got
to watch what they're standing for becausethey lie so much. So but at
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least you know what their record isand are they even their voting record,
You can check that out. Andthe one that has the most points,
that's the one you go for,and even if he's not your favorite guy,
he's going to be the best person. You got to vote for the
best one or the better one ofwhoever's running. This is policy over character
arguments. And I remember in nineteenninety eight you always talk why don't I
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ever attack the other guy? Soin nineteen ninety eight, Campaign and Elections
magazine had this forum for senior campaignpeople at the I think it was then
it's the High Regency Hotel now whatever, and it was Ron Fouchet, who
was from New Orleans put this thingon and I remember this was kind of
insiders that wasn't being taped, andthe head of the Democratic Party was there
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and he basically since it was offthe record, came in and he said,
you know, look at these issuesand whoever has the best issues is
how you decide to vote. Andboth sides were talking about it, and
finally he came out and said,you know, I know Clint's a bastard,
but he's our pastard. And Iremember going on on the air and
finally breaking the veil of silence andsaying, you know, that's not an
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argument for someone that's an argument.Character is kind of one of those arguments
that Trump's what you believe if you'llforgive the pun and character matters at some
level, so when you actually alot chrispher that's the whole point. But
my point is about the biblical foundationsof our country, and finding follows made
it very clear the most important thingis character, and Trump is loaded with
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grin. I'm sorry. Trump maybe a character, but he has very
little love. He has great character. And I can tell you how he
has great I'm sure you can becauseI can, and perhaps we should do
that right now. No, no, this why he don't have time.
You're right, Oh, we've gottime. We got to look, Christopher,
you've been doing most of the talking. I at least get a minute
or two for Trump. Right.He's full of character for many reasons.
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Actually, he was raised by avery godly man, his father and mother
who are very Bible centered and familyoriented, you know, family values and
all that. They took him tochurch a lot. He did great,
and he was a leader in hismilitary academy. He had a lot of
reasons to build character. And thenhis father because his father was not going
to spoil his children, even thougha very wealthy man He made him all
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start at the bottom and work hard. Trump started off working blue collar work
in his father's own family business,and then as he worked his way up,
he saw bigger things. He didn'twant to just do a lot of
subdivisions, which is big money.But still he was looking at the big
time in New York City. Sohe goes to New York with on his
own. He leaves his father's companyand he begins his development business of building
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high rises and remodeling them and allthat and buying them and selling them whatever
he's doing, and he becomes faculouslywealthy. The most he ever got from
his father along that ride was amillion dollar loan that he had to pay
back. The bank could have givenit to him. He was that solved,
and he was that strong where hecould have got, but he got
his father, who loved his sonand helped him along. Just a million
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dollars. So the billions of dollarsa year about Trump. He did that
on his own. Now that's hardto do, folks. You don't do
that easily. And he went throughsome of the most He went through such
a hard time. At one pointthey said he's finished. They declared him
marked on Wall Street. That meansyou don't even talk to him. His
finances had gone so bad he pulledhimself out of that. They were so
shocked. From that point on WallStreet called him the comeback Kid, and
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he wrote his next book, TheArt of the Comeback, after the Art
of the Deal. He's a verypositive minded kind of person. When I
first read his book, I thoughtI was reading a book that had been
written by Amway or Norman Vincent Peelor one of the positive you know,
zig Ziggler went one of the positivetalking salesman types. He's a very positive
minded person. That's very very important. His employees love him. He's done
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so much to help his employees,so much to help the Miltard this way
for his president. If you hadany doubts about his character, let's go
to Oprah. Everybody thinks Oprah hasit all figured out right. Well,
forty years ago, that long ago, she had him on a show.
She loved him. She had himon her show, and after she was
talking about all the great things he'sdoing and blah blah blah, she said,
you know what, you're such aremarkable man. You should run for
president. You would be the bestpresident we've ever had. And then she
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repeated that theme throughout her career ontelevision whenever it occurred, and she had
him on several more times, andthen many other talkshow people had him,
and it was just always the samething, You should be the president.
Isn't it strange? As soon ashe ran for president she turned on him
like a vicious serpent. I don'tknow under saying why did she turn against
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Oh? Is it because he wasgoing to upset apple carts that affected their
businesses? The government handouts and allthe corporate welfare was going to be threatened.
Is that why they all went afterone? Yes, that's a sign
of great character. And I couldgo on and on about Okay, he
had his mistake. It's time forme to talk. It's time for me
to talk. And I'm going toget the last word here for once,
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just once. But this is whatI'm going to say. You got a
cry by didning the last one thatI'm going to just let me. You've
heard the show before, you know, he gets the last one. He
gets most of the words, actuallylast last the word issue is always you.
But that's aside. It's a patrioticmoment. And a good and it's
a good last way, right allright, But let me let me just
let me say one thing. Youmentioned the Amway business. As you know,
I was a silver producer and adirector strigging in the Amway business.
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Yeah, I mean. And soso let me let me give you what
happened in nineteen ninety three with theArt of the Deal. And I want
time to finish this, and it'svery basic and I can do it in
a minute. In nineteen ninety three, the Art of the Deal was being
considered, you know, it wasyou know, Steve Ridley, who was
my diamond, was reading the bookand should we do this? And the
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Art of the Deal was one ofits key points. Is capitalism as a
system, if you if you readany conventional thing, is a win win
scenario. And the Art of theDeal says the essence of a deal is
making sure the other guy loses andyou win. And you never pay more
than eighty percent of the costs thatyou agree to. That's in the book.
That's not I'm not making this up. And Trump's his life underpaying people
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that he had a contract with.So you want to talk about business acumen,
and this he was considered too muchcome to be an example in the
amway business, and that always stuckwith me, and it stuck with me
for years, and when he gotinto politics and area of this, I
never forgot that lesson because I've readthe art of the Deal and the Art
of the comeback, and it's thetale of a con artist full of sound
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and fury signifying how to screw otherpeople so he could be on top.
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with us today. And of coursechrist or Timow or Chaplin, Hi McHenry
a show for you today, andit's a little bit about New Orleans history.
Now, we've been talking a littlebit about things that are upcoming,
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including the bisentennial visit of the Marquisde Lafayette and others over the last several
weeks. But there's nothing quite likediscovering your family history and being able to
tell that family history through the contextof the entire area. Now, if
you recognize the voice we're about tohave, Pierre Villary is the voice you
hear whenever you listen to Informed Sourcesor anything on PBS. He and his
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lovely bride are some of the keysponsors of many points. Is Frankly,
Pierre, I actually think you wouldbe better on Informed Sources than just bringing
the show in some of the conversation. I say this as a as a
regular former panelist for the LO boardson Informed Sources. But what I love
is your commitment to historical and culturalefforts that you and your bride have done
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over the years. And the mostrecent commitment was finding and purchasing a major
important historical document for the Historic NewOrleans Collection that kind of explains how some
of the people ended up here inNew Orleans, particularly the progenitor of your
own family, the Hillary family.But this is something that's the latest piece
that you've done to explain New Orleansthrough the context of this family with your
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Villary three hundred website and your symposiums. And this all came around about at
the three hundredth anniversary of the Cityof New Orleans, and you decided to
organize a symposium. Can you talkabout that? Yeah, so, Christopher
and Hi, you know, thisstory kind of goes back to twenty sixteen,
and it really kind of unfolded overtime. But I realized there was
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a lot of promotion, as youknow, at the time, in anticipation
of the twenty eighteen three hundredth tricentennial to City New Orleans. And you
know, we had always heard,you know, that we landed with Bienville
in seventeen eighteen. There is somequestion about that. We think that our
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ancestor, who came to New Orleansaround that time, may have been present
in the area sometime between sixteen ninetynine and seventeen oh six because he'd explored
with Bienville's brother Ibberville, he exploredthe entire Gulf Coast, everything from Florida,
Texas over a number of years.So anyhow, it was interesting.
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I said, you know, weought to be celebrating our family, you
know, pick a number three hundredyears, just like the city's celebrating.
So I'll tell you what I did. I went to my old friend high
school UH schoolmate, John Lawrence atthe Historic New Orleans Collection. He's now
retired, UH and his wife Priscillawas the was the was the executive director
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there for many years. They Ithink they've gone off to enjoy they're enjoying
their retirement now. But Brascilla,Priscilla was one of the major major movers
in the expansion, in the creationof the new archives and everything. She
she nationalized the Historic New Orleans Collection. I know that that edition of five
twenty Royal Street was just unbelievable.But anyway, John was the head of
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programs there, and he brought hebrought in, he brought in the team.
Uh. And and they were inspecifically mister Hammer, who is now
the executive director. And and Itold him what I wanted to do.
I wanted to do a symposium inthe morning. I wanted to do a
reception in the afternoon. UH.And they were gracious, they were They
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reached out and they helped us puttogether a panel of experts on Creole families
in New Orleans, on the Battleof New Orleans, on the Revolt of
seventeen sixty eight, and we hadindividual presentations on all of these. Now
I'm going to get to the websitein a minute, but I just want
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to mention while we're at this point. There are videos of all of those
presentations on the villaryfamily dot com website, So if you want to sit down
on a rainy afternoon and watch somethingfascinating, you can play every one of
those videos. Because I had avideographer there to record the event at a
new home and hold that thought.Pierre Valerie is joining us. He's we're
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talking about a major find that camerecently to the Historic New Orleans Collection that
he helped fund. But this isan important explanation of what happened. So
with the tri centennial of New Orleans, Pierre helps organize this imposium for the
Villary family. But what was interestingabout it was not only did you have
various wings of the family and descendantscome together, you were telling the story
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the major events of Louisiana history throughthe context of a very personal experience of
the settlement of the colony, ofthe Natchez War, particularly the Revolution of
seventeen sixty eight, which I've spentyears talking about on this program and most
New Orleanans don't know about. Wehad the first American revolution and literally one
of the first declarations of human rightsin the annaw It's the manifest and of
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course the Battle of New Orleans,which happened on the Villary plantation and keep
us. But what was fascinating tome about this symposium you put together was
that the people who came all thesehistorical experts, but family members who were
distantly related, who were fifth andsix cousins, came together and they said,
you know, we have a commitmentto try to preserve the history of
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not just our family, but ofthis place. And it actually spawned a
wonderful cooperative endeavor, an effort bymany, many people to prove the records
of history and how New Orleans cameabout. Yes, absolutely, absolutely so.
So Christopher, let me jump inand talk a little bit about the
letters. So out of the blueare one of our fellow descendants, a
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wonderful fellow by the name of QuinnFord. Quince sent an email out to
a group of us and said,look what I found. And it was
at a at an auction house inItaly, and you know there was there
was a letter that was written byan unknown correspondent to the Duke of Parma
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on behalf of Leonardo Villery and youknow it was coming up for auction.
I buy things at auction oftentimes,so I registered with directly with the auction
house in Italy, just out thereoutside of Parma, which is obviously the
letter itself had resided in the Parmaarea. It was sent to the Duke
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of Parma, I'm sorry to wassent referencing the Duke of Parma, so
stayed it stayed in that area ofItaly for almost four hundred years, you
know, three hundred and seventy fiveyears. So anyway, I was successful
in acquiring the letter. It arrived, it was all kind of wrapped up.
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I was afraid to touch it becauseit was so old. And I
had already talked to the Historic NewOrleans Collection told him I wanted to make
a donation of it, and Iknew that they would do a very professional
scanning of it, and they sentme the scan. We in turn posted
that scan and the translation that wasdone by our family historian Shane Leaf,
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who's a PhD from Chulan University andLanguages and Linguistics as well as with a
masters in history, and he dida marvelous job of translating the letter and
then also created a historical cond text. This is all on the same tab
on villaryfamily dot com. And ifI may share a little bit, why
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are we talking about this, aboutthis letter from sixteen fifty four being donated
to the Historic New Orleans Collection,because it was different cousins got together and
together they found a historically an ancienthistorical document coming to which actually we think
explains why the Villaries first went toMontreal, why they first came to Canada,
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to Quebec, because well basically theymade the cardinal Prime Minister of France,
Cardlinal Masaran, very angry and Ijust want in other words the letter.
Essentially we could never figure out whythe family first came. They came
in a very prominent position, andtheir son, you know at and At
and Royd de Villery, is theone who is going to be one of
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the founding group with BNVIL of NewOrleans. But what was fascinating is basically
the letter, and this is thisis how and the reason we're telling telling
the story is get together with yourdistant cousins, because somehow that kind of
brain trust, that mastermind that youput together can find things you never ever
expected. And it's a great storyof genealogy because in the letter he says
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basically, this unknown correspondent is writingto the Duke of Parma and says,
your most serene Highness, I humblygive you gratitude. I owe orders that
went for the senior Kuma Riva inregard the favor of Senior Villary recommended me
to you. And he goes onto say, Holy Cardinal Master, having
declared himself insulted, essentially by SeniorVillary, I wouldn't dream possible and know
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how to talk to him pretending he'snot offended, thus incurring great satisfaction.
Nor can we spring to the Kingor the Queen, because they would have
the same sentiment as a senior cardinal. He said, however, your Highness,
to offer compensation for the soonness ofSenior Villary in some way, you
can order him the honest recognition ofa gift. In other words, essentially,
this is an apology letter saying whya person was run out of France.
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And suddenly a lot of pieces thatwe'd always wondered about the Villary family.
We knew that there was a therehad been an Italian roots of the
family, and a lot of veryprominent Italians were in service of the French
court. We knew that the family, but then suddenly, very abruptly around
the late sixteen fifties, ends upleaving all the everything they owned in France
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and heading off to the wilds ofCanada. And it becomes a with with
Imbra Villa and Bienvil's father, CharlesLamoy and one of the founders of Montreal.
Yet we never knew why they cametogether. And this letter essentially provides
the clue that the king was reallymad at you. So you got out
of the country quick or at leastas first Misty way, Yes, yeah,
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you know in American Story by theway right and Christopher, you know,
it's worth adding to that that andI'm sure you've talked about this on
prior shows, But there was anunusual thing that occurred that resulted in a
huge gap in almost every family's historythat can be traced back to Europe at
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that time, French family. Andwhat happened was as the French Revolution was
taking hold, these these families withyou know, some association with nobility,
were rushing about going into the localchurches and destroying their family records and destroying
all of their family papers because theydidn't want to They don't want to get
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their heads chopped off right, andso sadly a lot of this history that
may have found its way over toCanada and then down to Louisiana New Orleans
afterwards were lost forever in you know, in the days of the French Revolution.
And I think the work of SydneyVillery is very interesting. I think
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he worked on that book for twentyyears, as I would over twenty years.
It was almost thirty he talked aboutit. Sydney Villary is not only
a cousin of ours, he wasactually my paternal grandmother's boyfriend. So it
was I have I've connected on twodifferent levels. This is New Orleans,
after all, we're very inbred here. But so growing up he was for
my dad, who had known himall his life before he'd ever met my
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mother. Sidney had been talking tothis book and he did decades of research
to try to find to run intoa brick wall. He knew everything that
happened from Canada on, but hecould not and he knew vaguely that this
there was Italian roots in the family, but couldn't find it. And this
is a very common tale if you'redoing genealogy of any family that had aristocratic
backgrounds in France. Pierre is notexaggerating. Essentially, everything was burned because
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you were going to die if theyfound this was this is the closest analogous
is you know, someone who hada drop of Jewish blood in the Holocaust
didn't want anybody to know it becausethey would go to the gas well.
They were going to execute. You'regoing to Madam Katy, right, and
so Pierre Villary, this is byfinding this document that's available at villaryfamily dot
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com, it's you're getting the rootof a family. What fascinates me about
this is it's really reconnected a lotof family members who themselves had a lot
of pride in their history, thefamily, the history of it, and
that family by reconnecting, has explainedthis huge commitment not just you and your
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wife who've done so much for thecivic community of New Orleans, but others
to historical organizations so that other peoplecan find their family history and other people
can find sort of that little clueas to why their ancestor came to New
Orleans. Yes, and you know, and you know, Christopher, we're
very lucky though, because we havetwo pretty significant repositories of history written history.
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One of them is of course,all of Sydney's papers and items of
interest that are in the special Collectionat the Howard Tilton Library at Tulane University.
They were remarkably helpful to our historianShane Leaf in putting together the website,
and then the papers of Ernest CallisteVillary, who was really Sidney's patron
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who underwrote made it possible for Sydneyto spend time on his research. By
acting as his patron and basically fundingSydney's efforts, he acquired quite a bit
of information along the way, soErnest. Ernest in turn left his collection
to the Historic and Wotance Collection wherehe was a founding trustee, and between
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those two repositories there is a tremendousamount of information available on the Villary family
that somebody else did the heavy liftingon for a very long time. So
we as successors to that are verylucky. And by the way, my
idea, after we had that wonderfulsymposium and event back in October of twenty
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eighteen, I said we need tocreate a website. I need to take
the work that Sidney and Ernest diddid and make it available in the digital
age. That's what changed. Thebook published in nineteen eighty one, the
internet had not been invented. Today, that book is on the family website.
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We're adding things on a regular basisto the family website and we have
links through to everything at the HistoricDwance Collection and at the Special Collection at
Howard Tilton Library, as well asjust a lot of fun anecdotes, you
know, gentlemen. Of course,that website is Villaryfamily dot com. Chris
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and Pierre, I think we needit's time for some good storytelling, like
some swash swashbuckling tales about the villaries, exciting things they did, very silient
and profound things that they did forLouisiana well or wherever they were. So
let's let's let's get into some ofthose stories, like I think the killing
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of the French well with Frenchman's name, that's a rather fascinating and the Battle
New Orleans of it, what happenedto the Villary plantation, and how young
Villary escaped and made all the waythrough the swamp to Born New Orleans.
It's interesting, yeah. For andnot to interrupt, because I apologize,
Pierre Villary is joining us. HiMcHenry and Christopher Tidmore Here in the Founder
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show. The Villaries play a rolein pretty much every major event between sixteen
ninety nine. My little salacious pointis for those that do not know the
story of the Revolution of seventeen sixtyeight, you would know that the leader
of the revolt was Joseph Villery.He was the head of the militia for
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the German coast. He was marriedto the granddaughter of the people who brought
the Germans to Louisiana. And he'sthe one who ends up with his brother
in law, La Freniere to writethe manifest which says odd things like under
God, men have the right toform their own governments. Natural law gives
me the right to government sells andhe thinks he's going to get a pardon.
And this is one of those situationswhere you should always listen to your
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wife, because his wife knew itwas a trap. Well, he goes
there and he immediately is presented,and the irony of this is Villary.
Of course is identifies as a Frenchman, but of course comes from Italian descent,
and he's presented to a man whohistory remembers as Francisco Bullani. His
actual name was Francois Bulanini. Hewas actually of Milanese descent, not from
pretty close to where Villary the villariescame from, and he of course tries
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to arrest him, and Joseph Hillarybrought a knife to a gunfight. This
is he pulls his sword and immediatelyBullany has him shot. Well. The
interesting in the irony of this,of course, Pierre, is you're kind
of aware, is that I wasdating my now wife in a few months
and her father says, oh,Villery, you might be familiar with my
ancestor, Francisco Bullani. So Ican honestly say that I my wife's great
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great great great great great grandfather killedmy great great great great great great God,
and once again we prove how inbredthe people of New Orleans are.
That's try anyway, Try bill ahead, Pierre. I'm sorry. Really,
there's a god I want to add, you know, high for your benefit.
The only thing I want to addto that is there's a wonderful street
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in New Orleans. But those ofyou who are out of town that call
Frenchman Street. It's kind of reallyreally the heart of the current music scene
in New Orleans. And it isnamed after the Frenchman who gave their lives
in the Revolt of seventeen sixty eight, Kill Bloody O'Reilly. Yes, And
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I want to ask you because becauseJason Weezy at the Historic Milans Collection swears
this is a true story that whenJoseph Villary was shot, that they took
his shirt off of him and threwit down to his wife, which was
covered in blood. Threw it downto his wife who was in the dinghy
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next to the Spanish gallion, becauseO'Reilly was out on the river, and
that's how got his bloody O'Riley.Is that true? It is? Actually,
it is true. And the ironyof the story is that he O'Reilly
hadn't even arrived yet into the colony. It was Francisco Bullany who threw it,
or at least the men under hiscontrol, and so but no,
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that is how he gets it.In fact, it's one of those stories
where you do not it's almost toofantastical. If it hadn't happened, you'd
say if a fiction author had writtenthat a man gets on a skiff and
his wife follows, yelling at himto come back, and he ends up
going and having his bloody shirt flowndown because he was in a revolution.
You'd say, this is just toofantastic to believe. The same thing about
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his wife, Marguerite Della Chase Villary, shipping her son off Jocque Field Villary
to France. He ends up beingpage at Versailles, gets a military education,
ends up sneaking back in the Louisiana'simmediately arrested by a guy by the
name of Galvez, the Spanish governorof Louisiana, who then says, I'm
arresting you because I want you tohire you to be the leader of the
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of our efforts in the American Revolution, and so and he, and it
means that same person as head ofthe militia, who starts warning President Madison,
the British will come to New Orleans, the British will send us support,
send us this. And it's onhis plantation that they layland, capturing
his youngest son and his elder son. Is the Paul Revere who warns his
father and Andrew Jackson and Governor Clayburn, the British have arrived. These things
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if you write them, you're like, this is unbelievable. This has to
be fiction, and yet there arenumerous dozens of historical accounts that actually say,
no, that's exactly how it happened, you know, yes, yes,
yes, there's another piece of color. I want to run past you,
Christopher, about that particular incident thatGabriel Villery escaped out of a window
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at Conseil, and of course theBritish soldiers took, you know, gave
chase. They were in breadcoats,and it was apparently a foggy December morning
on the river as it can be, and he scrambled through the through the
swamp and wind up climbing a tree. And the folklore is that his dog,
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his faithful dog, was barking atthe bottom of the tree, and
he shot the dog because he thoughtthat the dog was going to give them
well. And we know that weknow this to be truthful because it was
actually in his court martial. It'sin his martial testimony that yes, and
the reason was Jackson. So hecomes and warns that the British have arrived.
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They snuck up buy Ubnvenue to whatwas called the Villary Canal and sees
the plantation Jackson. Mainly because Jacksoncould not stand Jock Fleet Villary. Because
Villary comes in, Jackson says,we're going to do this with and Villary
is a formally trained military officer andartillery officer, and he realizes that when
you have fifteen hundred troops six milesaway from the city, you're you know,
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you're, you're in a strategic positionand he starts. Apparently, according
to one conversation to Governor Clavern says, early here what the comment that Jock
Philip Villery said about Andrew Jackson is, who's at anam decil. But the
fact is when when when Villary comesin, Jackson arrests wants to arrest him,
and does later on saying why didyou let the British in? And
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the one of the things I foundout in the course of teaching the Battle
of New Orleans for the Friends ofthe Cabillo Tour guide class and writing about
it and doing the Creole Queen,creating the Creole Queen Tour, was it
was the the British were able tocome in because there was a a scrupulous
British officer by the name of CharlesSpence, Cavendish Spencer, and he actually
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worked with a priest in New Orleans, who was a double agent for the
Spanish, and you're like priest inNew Orleans. He it's parent Ian.
Parent Wine was actually working with theSpanish officials who were allied to the British
to convince the Filipino community that wason the on the lake to let the
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British essentially go over the barricades thathad protected it from the village. They
knew exactly what they were doing.The Filipinos directed them to the Villary plantation.
It was an accidental and it wasfought in the battle for the Actually
some of them were actually on theBritish side, so it was a very
divided Yeah, and Parentwine, werevere him for the for the fires of
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this. But he was actually ahe was a member of the Inquisition.
He was a Spanish political officer whohelped do this. And so when I
when I went this and I lookedat the guy who was who helped arrange
this, he was also the onewho tried to make the deal with the
Barratarians. He's the same And Ilook at him, I said, that
looks a lot like Prince Harry.What turns out it's Prince Harry's great great
great great uncle. Wow, nokiddies, So it's like who did all
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this? So everything in the endis connected. So anyway, on that
note, Pierre Villary, we wantto really thank you for joining us here
in the Founder Show the Information.It was great. We have to have
you again. So these you gottajice. We're gonna have a council of
villaries to comment on politics if youfill up to it. So you know,
get you, rogerr. Ploche andthe all this you we got to
join us. But Pierre Phillary,of course, his the website is Hillaryfamily
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dot com and he's one of themajor benefactors for the Historic New Orleans Collection.
You can see him anytime you wantto watch inform sources or anything on
PBS. Usually his face and heand his lovely bride comes up and Pierre,
thank you so much for joining ushere in the Founder and folks will
be back. We'll be back witha patriotic moment after these. Stay tuned
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Well, folks were back and thisChaplehi mc henry, and you're listening
to the Founders Show, and it'snot time for us to go into our
chaplain, bob Ba patriotic moment.We just take a brief moment to remind
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you of the biblical foundations of ourcountry, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And
today we're going to talk about anotherthen, a great Frenchman. We just
had a wonderful show about the Frenchin Louisiana, famous French family, the
Villaries. Well, this is oneof the most greatest political philosophers in the
history of the world. And I'mtalking about Alexis to Tokville, who came
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to America in the eighteen thirties andwrote a famous book called Democracy in America.
He had seen the hours of theFrench Revolution and the completely failed mess
that it created, one of thefirst communists, maybe the first communist revolution
in the history of the world.And he looked at the American Revolution and
seen such remarkable success. By theway, our wonderful General Lafayette had the
same impression. And so even thoughhe worked very hard to save the French
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Revolution, it was a total disaster. And so in his research he concluded
his book this is a famous oneof the considered to be one of the
greatest works of political philosophy, politicalscience, and the history of the world.
He said, I came to Americaseeking this secret of her genius.
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I arrived in her teeming harborst filledwith commerce and shipping, and yet found
it not. He said. Iwent to their business place and watched the
merchants making great profit, and stillI found it not, it said.
I crossed their fruited plains, wentto their great institutions of learning, their
universities and schools, and still Ifound it. Not. I went to
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their halls of Congress and read theirmatchless constitution and decoration independence, and still
the secret was kept from me.It was not until I went to their
churches and saw their pulpits aflame witha gospel of righteousness, that I discovered
the true secret of America. Americais great because America is good and righteous.
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But if America ever quits being goodand righteous, America will quit being
great. And so, folks,again, I arrest my case. We
have very powerful biblical foundations, andthat is the reason this country has become
a great country. It is becauseGod has blessed America. Because there was
a time in America where we trulysought God. I don't know where we
are right now. We're in troubleand that will lead us to the final
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part of this section when we gointo the signs of the end. But
before that, it is time forus to go into our gospel moment where
we just take a brief moment toremind you how you can know and show
you how you can know that.You know that, you know you're going
to heaven when you die. You'resaved from a burning hell and you're guaranteed
heaven. Folks. I think everybodyshould want that. I think everybody should
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want to have God's love. Imean, That's what God's all about.
I'm telling you from the throughout theBible, the primary theme of the Bible
is one simple little four word fromGenesis Revelation. Love. It's all about
love in the end. You seeGod's sweet love throughout the scripture, and
you see is tough love. Butit's all about love, folks. The
Bible says God loves you with aneverlasting love. But we got a big
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love problem. It's broken up totwo things, sin and death. And
when I say death, I meanthe second death where you will spend an
eternity like the walking dead, likea zombie, where you will have no
life, you will have existence,you will have a memory, you will
have logical thought, and you willhave great torment because you rejected God's love
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to the very end of your life. All it takes is a spark,
just a moment in time, somewherein your life where you finally truly turn
to God and you trust him.And that's what you need to know about
right now. That's called the gospel. The scripture says, the Gospel is
the power of God into salvation towhosover believeth. And it says, for
I declare to you the Gospel,and first queen is fifteen. I declare
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to you the gospel that Christ diedfor all of our sins, all of
them, folks, from the dayyou're born, in the day you die,
you tiniest to your greatest sins,all went on Jesus. He was
literally turned into that sin. Thescripture says, turned into sin, made
sin. That's how intimate he iswith us, and that's the price he
was willing to pay to go thatfar. Because his love was that great,
He that knew no sin was madesin, that you out there,
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folks, might be made the righteousnessof God in him. So he took
care of your sin problem when hedied on the cross for all your sins.
The Bible says it his blood washedhim all the way. But then
that's the problem. The rest ofthe problem is your death problem. And
he took care of that when herose from the dead to win for you
his precious free gift of resurrection,everlasting life. Folks, For I declare
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into you the gospel that cries Godfor all of our sins, was buried
and rose from the dead to winfor you heaven to save you from hell.
To whosoever believeth That's the scripture,folks, And that's what you need
right now. If you've never believedthis before, the scripture says now,
today is the day of salvation,folks. The way you believe is you
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have to believe two things. Thefirst thing you have to believe is believe
you can't save yourself. You're hopelessand help us. Without God destined to
a burning hell, you are completelyincapable of saving yourself. So why are
you trying? Quit it? Religionwon't do it, Money won't do it.
Fast living or whatever you think iscool and great and wonderful, that
there's so many things like a list, None of that's going to do it.
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Your intelligence, your charm, whateveryou think you got going for you,
it's never going to get you intoheaven. It won't get you even
a nineo second in that direction,or a nano unit of distance in that
direction. It'll get you nothing.So quit trusting yourself. This split sucking.
You do that you've done a greatthing. Now that takes humility because
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it means you're gonna have to kindof put your pride on the side,
in fact, really put your prideon the side. That's gonna be the
hard part. But the easy partis the rest of it. To have
the faith of a little child,to believe that Jesus really did die for
all your sins, was buried androse in the dead. Jesus kept saying
repent, and believe. Repent fromthinking. That means change your mind.
Change your mind from thinking that you'reso good and you can do something to
help God out, or you cando it by yourself. You never will.
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Once you've done that, the nextstep is so simple. Just believe
that Jesus did it for you.He did it, He's doing it,
and he will do it because Hedied for all your sins on the cross
and rose in the dead to winfor you heaven, your mansion in heaven.
If you don't have that title deedyet, folks, you gotta get
it. So folks that now it'snot time for us to go into our
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chaplain by by watchmen on the wall, where I just again take a brief
time to remind you that we arein the end times and ge is coming
back really really soon. There's somany signs, or over two hundred prophecies,
they've just about every one of themhas been done. Now. This
has never happened in the history ofthe world of any kind of religious book.
No, I mean, the mostprophecies that have ever been filled in
other religious books are just two orthree whatever, and they're very vague.
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These are specific prophecies, and folks, the one I want to talk about
right now is wickedness across the land. The Bible says in the end they'll
call good evil and evil good.Look at what they're doing right now in
schools. They're telling they're putting littlekids in jail because they bring an aspen
to school, but they tell themit's okay. If you mutilate yourself,
you want to cut your private partsoff, let's do it. This is
a good thing. That is wicked, folks, and that's being promoted with
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children in our schools. Right now. We're being told that families are old
fashioned and a broken family or familyraised by the state is the way to
go, which has always proven tobe disastrous. They're calling good evil and
evil good right now. In somany ways, folks, our judicial system
has gone bizarre, has gone crazy. Now they're we have law fair.
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We don't have real justice in America, the old fashioned biblical jurispridence. Know
what do we have law fair inwhires? If you've got the political poll
and wheeling and dealing, you canuse the courts to destroy your political opponent.
That is wicked, folks, Butthey're calling it good. So folks,
you see, we are in theend, and if you're not ready,
you better get ready. You needa bunker, Jesus said, run
to the hills, running the mountains, get in the hill, getting a
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cave, get the rocks over you. You need a bunker. The greatest
bunker you'll ever get is the LordJesus Christ. Buy him right now.
He's a pearl of great price.You know how you buy him, You
give up your pride. That's whatyou pay to get Jesus. So just
give it up. Trust him,believe that he died for your sins and
rose some debt. And I promiseyou you're gonna make it through these hard
times because He's gonna be with youevery inch of the way. And folks,
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as we're talking about how to knowGod the Father, let us remember
our fathers as we are now inthe Father's Day weekend. It's very very
important. You know. The Biblesays that the glory of the children is
their father. Fathers have such animpact. You remove a father from the
home and the kids go crazy.Right now, most of the people in
jail, most of the people withall their problems and whatever drug problems,
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this, that or whatever, theextreme majority of them grew up without fathers.
It's one of the great tragedies inthis country. And I know because
many of my kids don't have fathers. We need to get the father back
in the home, folks, Andwe need to honor the father and respect
the father for the great job thathe does. So on this Father's Day,
let us remember this and remember realmen love flowers. My father was
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like John John Wayne, and heloved his flowers, his carnations and everything.
He was a real man's man.So remember, real men love flowers.
I'm telling you that because earlier wetalked to you about Villaries Floors.
You get your flower floral arrangement foryour father. This for this Father's Day
weekend. Their phone numbers five zero, four eight, three three, three
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seven one six are their website asVillaries Floors dot com. And folks again,
please it's important to remember our fathers. Have a great Father's Day and
time time for us clothes with mindSaint Martin singing a creole goodbye, and
God bless all out there. Wecall you, we all goodbye. They
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think we're just wasted. A timefor the meaded all three sable. There's
time for a creo goodbye.
Battles, the politicians addressed the digitdatas and magicians. Who's to see the
money? Then you don't, there'snothing to fill the holes while then are
feeling their pockets by holes, thepoliticians bouncing down the road. Everybody's wition
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for no moment, corruption and itsfunction it's gone. A date divide is
avention why the right doesn't facture alittle bit of a British example, And
ladies and gentlemen, a look ata New Orleans family and a piece of
information that has enriched the historic NewOrleans collection through the generosity of Pierre Villery.
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We're going to talk about that andmany other topics on this edition of
The Founders Show. And God blessall out there. You're now listening to
the Founder's Show, the voice tothe Founding Fathers. You're founding as coming
to you deep within the bowels ofthose mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the
Big Easy, that old Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana and high way
(01:11):
high up on that old Liberty Cypresstree planted by none other than our original
French settlers, way up on thattree out on the Eagles Branch, covered
in Spanish Moss. This is noneother then you've been Gary Babba the Republic
chaplain, Hi mcenry, Christopher Tidmore. You're Roving a reporter, resident radical
moderate and associate editor of the LouisianaWeekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net.
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And I wanted to go a littlebit global because you and I off off
and off the air, will argueabout Trump just as much as we do
on the air. But I'm notbringing up Trump right now. I get
accusations that I'm not hard enough onTrump, and you get accusations I'm too
hard on Trump, but I am. Often I say, yeah, but
I'm just it's not exactly how Isay it. Yeah, but I say,
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you're very hard on him, andI see a lot of other guys
that are much worse than him,and you don't touch him, and I
don't get it, and I disagreewith that, and I give the history,
but that's actually not what I'm talkingabout. What I'm what I wanted
to use as a comparison of I. You know, a lot of people
in the center and the left whodon't like Trump will come up to me
and ask me a question, whyare you know Republican politicians who don't like
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Trump, so gutless people who usedto you know, and this is how
and this is those are their words, not mine. I'm just saying why
people who used to criticize Trump aren'tcriticizing getting along with the program and all?
This is it just that everybody's acoward, and I wanted to offer
a comparison. Everybody sold out Christopher, which also makes some cowards. Okay,
well, okay, but I'm goingto give I'm going to give them
political whores. Well I'll agree withthat statement, but I'm gonna give him
(02:43):
a reason why, because the alternativeis destruction. So you're get this is
kind of weird. Let me explain. Look at the UK and the recent
elections. Now, for those thatdidn't follow, what has happened in the
UK and in the general election,the Conservatives went in the summer for you
know, to have a general electionand they're way behind the polls. But
the real reason why they had anearly election was to try to ward off
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what we would call in this caseit's a seventh party challenge, but a
party a challenge from the right byNigel Farage. You know, Trump's good
friends and what was called the ReformParty. Now what's interesting about this is
this scenario played off in Canada innineteen ninety three where a conservative party called
Reform fielded candidates against the ruling thenConservative Party and what happened was you ended
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up with twenty Reform members, sevenConservatives, and the Liberals in power for
the next fifteen years. Well,one of the things that's happened in the
UK that I found fascinating into watchingthis process is something very similar came to
about and this is what everyone inthe Republican Party that people were talking about
was afraid of with Trump. Whatthey were afraid of is after January sixth,
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that Trump would suddenly form another party, which he was actually talking about
if you remember correctly, he wascalling it the Patriot Party, he actually
named it. And the idea thatthis would challenge Republicans and the split of
the Conservative vote would essentially allow theDemocrats in for a generation. So it's
one of those questions of tactics doyou And Nigel Ferraj has been very blunt
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about it. He says, myjob is to kill the Conservative Party of
Britain. And you know, evenif that means that there is an overwhelming
labor majority. The fact is it'sbetter to kill the party and maybe come
back at a future election. Well, when this was tried in Canada with
a reform party, with a guywho was very similar his name was Preston
Manning, very similar to Nigel Ferrage, and I mean in the good ways.
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He was very articulated, he wasvery passionate, he was very you
know, doctionary conservative, whatever youwant to call it. When he tried
this, essentially he kept the Conservativesout of power for a generation. And
if you want to understand Canada's economicproblems they have right now, it dates
back to that period of taxes,regulation and all this. Canada for a
period of time actually had less regulationthan the United States under Prime minister by
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the name of Brian mulroney. Buthe was thought of his two left wing
on social issues and other issues.He wasn't liked in the West of Canada,
the Alberta, the traditional conservative areas, and so they proposed him.
Well, we've watched this script gooff in the UK, and what is
if you want to ask the questionpolitically, and a lot of people who
listen to me on the show sayyour Card and Trump, but you're not
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hard enough. You should be givingevery possible conspiracy theory. And I've always
tried to be balanced about this.I think I'm too hard others in US.
I try to be a journalist aboutthis in the same way I was
with David Vitter and with Bill Clinton, and my opposition to all of the
above because I didn't think they hadgreat character. My point about this was
I have never been incredibly harsh onpoliticians who have private concerns about Trump embracing
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him, and the reason was becauseI know what happens. And you might
call this slovenly cowardly sellout, that'swhat you call it. But at the
same time, what happens politically.The British are giving us an instruction to
conservative parties that split the vote andguess what, they stay out of power.
What's the collapse of parties. It'slike a slow moving wreck that we've
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watched in the United Kingdom and itcould just as easily happen here. So
for those that wonder whether Trump willwin or lose, the question is will
the Republican Party split? And rightnow, the one thing that the Trump
take over the party has happened isit's not so much as it's taken over
the party. Is the party hasmanaged to hold together when a lot of
people thought it wouldn't. The nickyHalley coming over to Trump, so on
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and so forth. You can thinkit's a good or bad thing, but
it's not as surprising or as muchof a sellout as people will always judge
the alternative to be worse. Andthat's always the trick bag that the never
trumpers have in the United States.Do you really think Biden's better? Some
people will say Biden's better. Idon't. I'll be honest. I wanted,
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I actually was ready for a thirdparty challenge, because there aren't.
For people me, there are nochoices, there are no You might agree
with Trump on some of the politicalissues, and I do most of them.
I disagree with them on trade,but I agree with them on a
lot of issues and taxes and others. I agree with Biden very few issues.
There's a few ideal, but notmany, And so you're without option.
What do you do in that situation? And that's one of the questions
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that a lot of people who arefacing queasiness in an election are facing.
Of course, if you have aproblem with this and your challenge and many
might be I suggest to Ben Franklinclothes you put down all the things that
you want to see happen in America. You put both men down in this
case for Trump and Biden, andor if there's another third party candidate,
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and then you run down and youcheck which ones are doing the best on
each issue. Taxation, immigration,you know, the border, the helping
and the building of the economy,the deliverance from the runaway inflation we have
under Biden right now, Criminality,crime, well, are you happy with
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the crime situation right now? Wouldyou like to see it get better?
Who would do the better job?And you do? That matters? So,
I mean, there's so many healthissues, there's so many issues we
can list about that you're concerned about. And you go down there and you
look at each person their record,what they did in office, what they
proved they could do, and evenwhat they're standing for. But you got
to watch what they're standing for becausethey lie so much. So but at
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least you know what their record isand are they even their voting record,
You can check that out. Andthe one that has the most points,
that's the one you go for,and even if he's not your favorite guy,
he's going to be the best person. You got to vote for the
best one or the better one ofwhoever's running. This is policy over character
arguments. And I remember in nineteenninety eight you always talk why don't I
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ever attack the other guy? Soin nineteen ninety eight, Campaign and Elections
magazine had this forum for senior campaignpeople at the I think it was then
it's the High Regency Hotel now whatever, and it was Ron Fouchet, who
was from New Orleans put this thingon and I remember this was kind of
insiders that wasn't being taped, andthe head of the Democratic Party was there
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and he basically since it was offthe record, came in and he said,
you know, look at these issuesand whoever has the best issues is
how you decide to vote. Andboth sides were talking about it, and
finally he came out and said,you know, I know Clint's a bastard,
but he's our pastard. And Iremember going on on the air and
finally breaking the veil of silence andsaying, you know, that's not an
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argument for someone that's an argument.Character is kind of one of those arguments
that Trump's what you believe if you'llforgive the pun and character matters at some
level, so when you actually alot chrispher that's the whole point. But
my point is about the biblical foundationsof our country, and finding follows made
it very clear the most important thingis character, and Trump is loaded with
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grin. I'm sorry. Trump maybe a character, but he has very
little love. He has great character. And I can tell you how he
has great I'm sure you can becauseI can, and perhaps we should do
that right now. No, no, this why he don't have time.
You're right, Oh, we've gottime. We got to look, Christopher,
you've been doing most of the talking. I at least get a minute
or two for Trump. Right.He's full of character for many reasons.
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Actually, he was raised by avery godly man, his father and mother
who are very Bible centered and familyoriented, you know, family values and
all that. They took him tochurch a lot. He did great,
and he was a leader in hismilitary academy. He had a lot of
reasons to build character. And thenhis father because his father was not going
to spoil his children, even thougha very wealthy man He made him all
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start at the bottom and work hard. Trump started off working blue collar work
in his father's own family business,and then as he worked his way up,
he saw bigger things. He didn'twant to just do a lot of
subdivisions, which is big money.But still he was looking at the big
time in New York City. Sohe goes to New York with on his
own. He leaves his father's companyand he begins his development business of building
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high rises and remodeling them and allthat and buying them and selling them whatever
he's doing, and he becomes faculouslywealthy. The most he ever got from
his father along that ride was amillion dollar loan that he had to pay
back. The bank could have givenit to him. He was that solved,
and he was that strong where hecould have got, but he got
his father, who loved his sonand helped him along. Just a million
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dollars. So the billions of dollarsa year about Trump. He did that
on his own. Now that's hardto do, folks. You don't do
that easily. And he went throughsome of the most He went through such
a hard time. At one pointthey said he's finished. They declared him
marked on Wall Street. That meansyou don't even talk to him. His
finances had gone so bad he pulledhimself out of that. They were so
shocked. From that point on WallStreet called him the comeback Kid, and
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he wrote his next book, TheArt of the Comeback, after the Art
of the Deal. He's a verypositive minded kind of person. When I
first read his book, I thoughtI was reading a book that had been
written by Amway or Norman Vincent Peelor one of the positive you know,
zig Ziggler went one of the positivetalking salesman types. He's a very positive
minded person. That's very very important. His employees love him. He's done
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so much to help his employees,so much to help the Miltard this way
for his president. If you hadany doubts about his character, let's go
to Oprah. Everybody thinks Oprah hasit all figured out right. Well,
forty years ago, that long ago, she had him on a show.
She loved him. She had himon her show, and after she was
talking about all the great things he'sdoing and blah blah blah, she said,
you know what, you're such aremarkable man. You should run for
president. You would be the bestpresident we've ever had. And then she
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repeated that theme throughout her career ontelevision whenever it occurred, and she had
him on several more times, andthen many other talkshow people had him,
and it was just always the samething, You should be the president.
Isn't it strange? As soon ashe ran for president she turned on him
like a vicious serpent. I don'tknow under saying why did she turn against
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Oh? Is it because he wasgoing to upset apple carts that affected their
businesses? The government handouts and allthe corporate welfare was going to be threatened.
Is that why they all went afterone? Yes, that's a sign
of great character. And I couldgo on and on about Okay, he
had his mistake. It's time forme to talk. It's time for me
to talk. And I'm going toget the last word here for once,
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just once. But this is whatI'm going to say. You got a
cry by didning the last one thatI'm going to just let me. You've
heard the show before, you know, he gets the last one. He
gets most of the words, actuallylast last the word issue is always you.
But that's aside. It's a patrioticmoment. And a good and it's
a good last way, right allright, But let me let me just
let me say one thing. Youmentioned the Amway business. As you know,
I was a silver producer and adirector strigging in the Amway business.
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Yeah, I mean. And soso let me let me give you what
happened in nineteen ninety three with theArt of the Deal. And I want
time to finish this, and it'svery basic and I can do it in
a minute. In nineteen ninety three, the Art of the Deal was being
considered, you know, it wasyou know, Steve Ridley, who was
my diamond, was reading the bookand should we do this? And the
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Art of the Deal was one ofits key points. Is capitalism as a
system, if you if you readany conventional thing, is a win win
scenario. And the Art of theDeal says the essence of a deal is
making sure the other guy loses andyou win. And you never pay more
than eighty percent of the costs thatyou agree to. That's in the book.
That's not I'm not making this up. And Trump's his life underpaying people
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that he had a contract with.So you want to talk about business acumen,
and this he was considered too muchcome to be an example in the
amway business, and that always stuckwith me, and it stuck with me
for years, and when he gotinto politics and area of this, I
never forgot that lesson because I've readthe art of the Deal and the Art
of the comeback, and it's thetale of a con artist full of sound
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and fury signifying how to screw otherpeople so he could be on top.
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a show for you today, andit's a little bit about New Orleans history.
Now, we've been talking a littlebit about things that are upcoming,
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including the bisentennial visit of the Marquisde Lafayette and others over the last several
weeks. But there's nothing quite likediscovering your family history and being able to
tell that family history through the contextof the entire area. Now, if
you recognize the voice we're about tohave, Pierre Villary is the voice you
hear whenever you listen to Informed Sourcesor anything on PBS. He and his
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lovely bride are some of the keysponsors of many points. Is Frankly,
Pierre, I actually think you wouldbe better on Informed Sources than just bringing
the show in some of the conversation. I say this as a as a
regular former panelist for the LO boardson Informed Sources. But what I love
is your commitment to historical and culturalefforts that you and your bride have done
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over the years. And the mostrecent commitment was finding and purchasing a major
important historical document for the Historic NewOrleans Collection that kind of explains how some
of the people ended up here inNew Orleans, particularly the progenitor of your
own family, the Hillary family.But this is something that's the latest piece
that you've done to explain New Orleansthrough the context of this family with your
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Villary three hundred website and your symposiums. And this all came around about at
the three hundredth anniversary of the Cityof New Orleans, and you decided to
organize a symposium. Can you talkabout that? Yeah, so, Christopher
and Hi, you know, thisstory kind of goes back to twenty sixteen,
and it really kind of unfolded overtime. But I realized there was
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a lot of promotion, as youknow, at the time, in anticipation
of the twenty eighteen three hundredth tricentennial to City New Orleans. And you
know, we had always heard,you know, that we landed with Bienville
in seventeen eighteen. There is somequestion about that. We think that our
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ancestor, who came to New Orleansaround that time, may have been present
in the area sometime between sixteen ninetynine and seventeen oh six because he'd explored
with Bienville's brother Ibberville, he exploredthe entire Gulf Coast, everything from Florida,
Texas over a number of years.So anyhow, it was interesting.
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I said, you know, weought to be celebrating our family, you
know, pick a number three hundredyears, just like the city's celebrating.
So I'll tell you what I did. I went to my old friend high
school UH schoolmate, John Lawrence atthe Historic New Orleans Collection. He's now
retired, UH and his wife Priscillawas the was the was the executive director
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there for many years. They Ithink they've gone off to enjoy they're enjoying
their retirement now. But Brascilla,Priscilla was one of the major major movers
in the expansion, in the creationof the new archives and everything. She
she nationalized the Historic New Orleans Collection. I know that that edition of five
twenty Royal Street was just unbelievable.But anyway, John was the head of
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programs there, and he brought hebrought in, he brought in the team.
Uh. And and they were inspecifically mister Hammer, who is now
the executive director. And and Itold him what I wanted to do.
I wanted to do a symposium inthe morning. I wanted to do a
reception in the afternoon. UH.And they were gracious, they were They
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reached out and they helped us puttogether a panel of experts on Creole families
in New Orleans, on the Battleof New Orleans, on the Revolt of
seventeen sixty eight, and we hadindividual presentations on all of these. Now
I'm going to get to the websitein a minute, but I just want
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to mention while we're at this point. There are videos of all of those
presentations on the villaryfamily dot com website, So if you want to sit down
on a rainy afternoon and watch somethingfascinating, you can play every one of
those videos. Because I had avideographer there to record the event at a
new home and hold that thought.Pierre Valerie is joining us. He's we're
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talking about a major find that camerecently to the Historic New Orleans Collection that
he helped fund. But this isan important explanation of what happened. So
with the tri centennial of New Orleans, Pierre helps organize this imposium for the
Villary family. But what was interestingabout it was not only did you have
various wings of the family and descendantscome together, you were telling the story
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the major events of Louisiana history throughthe context of a very personal experience of
the settlement of the colony, ofthe Natchez War, particularly the Revolution of
seventeen sixty eight, which I've spentyears talking about on this program and most
New Orleanans don't know about. Wehad the first American revolution and literally one
of the first declarations of human rightsin the annaw It's the manifest and of
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course the Battle of New Orleans,which happened on the Villary plantation and keep
us. But what was fascinating tome about this symposium you put together was
that the people who came all thesehistorical experts, but family members who were
distantly related, who were fifth andsix cousins, came together and they said,
you know, we have a commitmentto try to preserve the history of
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not just our family, but ofthis place. And it actually spawned a
wonderful cooperative endeavor, an effort bymany, many people to prove the records
of history and how New Orleans cameabout. Yes, absolutely, absolutely so.
So Christopher, let me jump inand talk a little bit about the
letters. So out of the blueare one of our fellow descendants, a
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wonderful fellow by the name of QuinnFord. Quince sent an email out to
a group of us and said,look what I found. And it was
at a at an auction house inItaly, and you know there was there
was a letter that was written byan unknown correspondent to the Duke of Parma
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on behalf of Leonardo Villery and youknow it was coming up for auction.
I buy things at auction oftentimes,so I registered with directly with the auction
house in Italy, just out thereoutside of Parma, which is obviously the
letter itself had resided in the Parmaarea. It was sent to the Duke
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of Parma, I'm sorry to wassent referencing the Duke of Parma, so
stayed it stayed in that area ofItaly for almost four hundred years, you
know, three hundred and seventy fiveyears. So anyway, I was successful
in acquiring the letter. It arrived, it was all kind of wrapped up.
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I was afraid to touch it becauseit was so old. And I
had already talked to the Historic NewOrleans Collection told him I wanted to make
a donation of it, and Iknew that they would do a very professional
scanning of it, and they sentme the scan. We in turn posted
that scan and the translation that wasdone by our family historian Shane Leaf,
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who's a PhD from Chulan University andLanguages and Linguistics as well as with a
masters in history, and he dida marvelous job of translating the letter and
then also created a historical cond text. This is all on the same tab
on villaryfamily dot com. And ifI may share a little bit, why
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are we talking about this, aboutthis letter from sixteen fifty four being donated
to the Historic New Orleans Collection,because it was different cousins got together and
together they found a historically an ancienthistorical document coming to which actually we think
explains why the Villaries first went toMontreal, why they first came to Canada,
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to Quebec, because well basically theymade the cardinal Prime Minister of France,
Cardlinal Masaran, very angry and Ijust want in other words the letter.
Essentially we could never figure out whythe family first came. They came
in a very prominent position, andtheir son, you know at and At
and Royd de Villery, is theone who is going to be one of
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the founding group with BNVIL of NewOrleans. But what was fascinating is basically
the letter, and this is thisis how and the reason we're telling telling
the story is get together with yourdistant cousins, because somehow that kind of
brain trust, that mastermind that youput together can find things you never ever
expected. And it's a great storyof genealogy because in the letter he says
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basically, this unknown correspondent is writingto the Duke of Parma and says,
your most serene Highness, I humblygive you gratitude. I owe orders that
went for the senior Kuma Riva inregard the favor of Senior Villary recommended me
to you. And he goes onto say, Holy Cardinal Master, having
declared himself insulted, essentially by SeniorVillary, I wouldn't dream possible and know
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how to talk to him pretending he'snot offended, thus incurring great satisfaction.
Nor can we spring to the Kingor the Queen, because they would have
the same sentiment as a senior cardinal. He said, however, your Highness,
to offer compensation for the soonness ofSenior Villary in some way, you
can order him the honest recognition ofa gift. In other words, essentially,
this is an apology letter saying whya person was run out of France.
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And suddenly a lot of pieces thatwe'd always wondered about the Villary family.
We knew that there was a therehad been an Italian roots of the
family, and a lot of veryprominent Italians were in service of the French
court. We knew that the family, but then suddenly, very abruptly around
the late sixteen fifties, ends upleaving all the everything they owned in France
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and heading off to the wilds ofCanada. And it becomes a with with
Imbra Villa and Bienvil's father, CharlesLamoy and one of the founders of Montreal.
Yet we never knew why they cametogether. And this letter essentially provides
the clue that the king was reallymad at you. So you got out
of the country quick or at leastas first Misty way, Yes, yeah,
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you know in American Story by theway right and Christopher, you know,
it's worth adding to that that andI'm sure you've talked about this on
prior shows, But there was anunusual thing that occurred that resulted in a
huge gap in almost every family's historythat can be traced back to Europe at
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that time, French family. Andwhat happened was as the French Revolution was
taking hold, these these families withyou know, some association with nobility,
were rushing about going into the localchurches and destroying their family records and destroying
all of their family papers because theydidn't want to They don't want to get
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their heads chopped off right, andso sadly a lot of this history that
may have found its way over toCanada and then down to Louisiana New Orleans
afterwards were lost forever in you know, in the days of the French Revolution.
And I think the work of SydneyVillery is very interesting. I think
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he worked on that book for twentyyears, as I would over twenty years.
It was almost thirty he talked aboutit. Sydney Villary is not only
a cousin of ours, he wasactually my paternal grandmother's boyfriend. So it
was I have I've connected on twodifferent levels. This is New Orleans,
after all, we're very inbred here. But so growing up he was for
my dad, who had known himall his life before he'd ever met my
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mother. Sidney had been talking tothis book and he did decades of research
to try to find to run intoa brick wall. He knew everything that
happened from Canada on, but hecould not and he knew vaguely that this
there was Italian roots in the family, but couldn't find it. And this
is a very common tale if you'redoing genealogy of any family that had aristocratic
backgrounds in France. Pierre is notexaggerating. Essentially, everything was burned because
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you were going to die if theyfound this was this is the closest analogous
is you know, someone who hada drop of Jewish blood in the Holocaust
didn't want anybody to know it becausethey would go to the gas well.
They were going to execute. You'regoing to Madam Katy, right, and
so Pierre Villary, this is byfinding this document that's available at villaryfamily dot
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com, it's you're getting the rootof a family. What fascinates me about
this is it's really reconnected a lotof family members who themselves had a lot
of pride in their history, thefamily, the history of it, and
that family by reconnecting, has explainedthis huge commitment not just you and your
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wife who've done so much for thecivic community of New Orleans, but others
to historical organizations so that other peoplecan find their family history and other people
can find sort of that little clueas to why their ancestor came to New
Orleans. Yes, and you know, and you know, Christopher, we're
very lucky though, because we havetwo pretty significant repositories of history written history.
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One of them is of course,all of Sydney's papers and items of
interest that are in the special Collectionat the Howard Tilton Library at Tulane University.
They were remarkably helpful to our historianShane Leaf in putting together the website,
and then the papers of Ernest CallisteVillary, who was really Sidney's patron
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who underwrote made it possible for Sydneyto spend time on his research. By
acting as his patron and basically fundingSydney's efforts, he acquired quite a bit
of information along the way, soErnest. Ernest in turn left his collection
to the Historic and Wotance Collection wherehe was a founding trustee, and between
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those two repositories there is a tremendousamount of information available on the Villary family
that somebody else did the heavy liftingon for a very long time. So
we as successors to that are verylucky. And by the way, my
idea, after we had that wonderfulsymposium and event back in October of twenty
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eighteen, I said we need tocreate a website. I need to take
the work that Sidney and Ernest diddid and make it available in the digital
age. That's what changed. Thebook published in nineteen eighty one, the
internet had not been invented. Today, that book is on the family website.
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We're adding things on a regular basisto the family website and we have
links through to everything at the HistoricDwance Collection and at the Special Collection at
Howard Tilton Library, as well asjust a lot of fun anecdotes, you
know, gentlemen. Of course,that website is Villaryfamily dot com. Chris
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and Pierre, I think we needit's time for some good storytelling, like
some swash swashbuckling tales about the villaries, exciting things they did, very silient
and profound things that they did forLouisiana well or wherever they were. So
let's let's let's get into some ofthose stories, like I think the killing
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of the French well with Frenchman's name, that's a rather fascinating and the Battle
New Orleans of it, what happenedto the Villary plantation, and how young
Villary escaped and made all the waythrough the swamp to Born New Orleans.
It's interesting, yeah. For andnot to interrupt, because I apologize,
Pierre Villary is joining us. HiMcHenry and Christopher Tidmore Here in the Founder
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show. The Villaries play a rolein pretty much every major event between sixteen
ninety nine. My little salacious pointis for those that do not know the
story of the Revolution of seventeen sixtyeight, you would know that the leader
of the revolt was Joseph Villery.He was the head of the militia for
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the German coast. He was marriedto the granddaughter of the people who brought
the Germans to Louisiana. And he'sthe one who ends up with his brother
in law, La Freniere to writethe manifest which says odd things like under
God, men have the right toform their own governments. Natural law gives
me the right to government sells andhe thinks he's going to get a pardon.
And this is one of those situationswhere you should always listen to your
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wife, because his wife knew itwas a trap. Well, he goes
there and he immediately is presented,and the irony of this is Villary.
Of course is identifies as a Frenchman, but of course comes from Italian descent,
and he's presented to a man whohistory remembers as Francisco Bullani. His
actual name was Francois Bulanini. Hewas actually of Milanese descent, not from
pretty close to where Villary the villariescame from, and he of course tries
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to arrest him, and Joseph Hillarybrought a knife to a gunfight. This
is he pulls his sword and immediatelyBullany has him shot. Well. The
interesting in the irony of this,of course, Pierre, is you're kind
of aware, is that I wasdating my now wife in a few months
and her father says, oh,Villery, you might be familiar with my
ancestor, Francisco Bullani. So Ican honestly say that I my wife's great
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great great great great great grandfather killedmy great great great great great great God,
and once again we prove how inbredthe people of New Orleans are.
That's try anyway, Try bill ahead, Pierre. I'm sorry. Really,
there's a god I want to add, you know, high for your benefit.
The only thing I want to addto that is there's a wonderful street
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in New Orleans. But those ofyou who are out of town that call
Frenchman Street. It's kind of reallyreally the heart of the current music scene
in New Orleans. And it isnamed after the Frenchman who gave their lives
in the Revolt of seventeen sixty eight, Kill Bloody O'Reilly. Yes, And
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I want to ask you because becauseJason Weezy at the Historic Milans Collection swears
this is a true story that whenJoseph Villary was shot, that they took
his shirt off of him and threwit down to his wife, which was
covered in blood. Threw it downto his wife who was in the dinghy
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next to the Spanish gallion, becauseO'Reilly was out on the river, and
that's how got his bloody O'Riley.Is that true? It is? Actually,
it is true. And the ironyof the story is that he O'Reilly
hadn't even arrived yet into the colony. It was Francisco Bullany who threw it,
or at least the men under hiscontrol, and so but no,
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that is how he gets it.In fact, it's one of those stories
where you do not it's almost toofantastical. If it hadn't happened, you'd
say if a fiction author had writtenthat a man gets on a skiff and
his wife follows, yelling at himto come back, and he ends up
going and having his bloody shirt flowndown because he was in a revolution.
You'd say, this is just toofantastic to believe. The same thing about
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his wife, Marguerite Della Chase Villary, shipping her son off Jocque Field Villary
to France. He ends up beingpage at Versailles, gets a military education,
ends up sneaking back in the Louisiana'simmediately arrested by a guy by the
name of Galvez, the Spanish governorof Louisiana, who then says, I'm
arresting you because I want you tohire you to be the leader of the
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of our efforts in the American Revolution, and so and he, and it
means that same person as head ofthe militia, who starts warning President Madison,
the British will come to New Orleans, the British will send us support,
send us this. And it's onhis plantation that they layland, capturing
his youngest son and his elder son. Is the Paul Revere who warns his
father and Andrew Jackson and Governor Clayburn, the British have arrived. These things
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if you write them, you're like, this is unbelievable. This has to
be fiction, and yet there arenumerous dozens of historical accounts that actually say,
no, that's exactly how it happened, you know, yes, yes,
yes, there's another piece of color. I want to run past you,
Christopher, about that particular incident thatGabriel Villery escaped out of a window
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at Conseil, and of course theBritish soldiers took, you know, gave
chase. They were in breadcoats,and it was apparently a foggy December morning
on the river as it can be, and he scrambled through the through the
swamp and wind up climbing a tree. And the folklore is that his dog,
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his faithful dog, was barking atthe bottom of the tree, and
he shot the dog because he thoughtthat the dog was going to give them
well. And we know that weknow this to be truthful because it was
actually in his court martial. It'sin his martial testimony that yes, and
the reason was Jackson. So hecomes and warns that the British have arrived.
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They snuck up buy Ubnvenue to whatwas called the Villary Canal and sees
the plantation Jackson. Mainly because Jacksoncould not stand Jock Fleet Villary. Because
Villary comes in, Jackson says,we're going to do this with and Villary
is a formally trained military officer andartillery officer, and he realizes that when
you have fifteen hundred troops six milesaway from the city, you're you know,
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you're, you're in a strategic positionand he starts. Apparently, according
to one conversation to Governor Clavern says, early here what the comment that Jock
Philip Villery said about Andrew Jackson is, who's at anam decil. But the
fact is when when when Villary comesin, Jackson arrests wants to arrest him,
and does later on saying why didyou let the British in? And
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the one of the things I foundout in the course of teaching the Battle
of New Orleans for the Friends ofthe Cabillo Tour guide class and writing about
it and doing the Creole Queen,creating the Creole Queen Tour, was it
was the the British were able tocome in because there was a a scrupulous
British officer by the name of CharlesSpence, Cavendish Spencer, and he actually
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worked with a priest in New Orleans, who was a double agent for the
Spanish, and you're like priest inNew Orleans. He it's parent Ian.
Parent Wine was actually working with theSpanish officials who were allied to the British
to convince the Filipino community that wason the on the lake to let the
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British essentially go over the barricades thathad protected it from the village. They
knew exactly what they were doing.The Filipinos directed them to the Villary plantation.
It was an accidental and it wasfought in the battle for the Actually
some of them were actually on theBritish side, so it was a very
divided Yeah, and Parentwine, werevere him for the for the fires of
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this. But he was actually ahe was a member of the Inquisition.
He was a Spanish political officer whohelped do this. And so when I
when I went this and I lookedat the guy who was who helped arrange
this, he was also the onewho tried to make the deal with the
Barratarians. He's the same And Ilook at him, I said, that
looks a lot like Prince Harry.What turns out it's Prince Harry's great great
great great uncle. Wow, nokiddies, So it's like who did all
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this? So everything in the endis connected. So anyway, on that
note, Pierre Villary, we wantto really thank you for joining us here
in the Founder Show the Information.It was great. We have to have
you again. So these you gottajice. We're gonna have a council of
villaries to comment on politics if youfill up to it. So you know,
get you, rogerr. Ploche andthe all this you we got to
join us. But Pierre Phillary,of course, his the website is Hillaryfamily
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dot com and he's one of themajor benefactors for the Historic New Orleans Collection.
You can see him anytime you wantto watch inform sources or anything on
PBS. Usually his face and heand his lovely bride comes up and Pierre,
thank you so much for joining ushere in the Founder and folks will
be back. We'll be back witha patriotic moment after these. Stay tuned
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Well, folks were back and thisChaplehi mc henry, and you're listening
to the Founders Show, and it'snot time for us to go into our
chaplain, bob Ba patriotic moment.We just take a brief moment to remind
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you of the biblical foundations of ourcountry, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And
today we're going to talk about anotherthen, a great Frenchman. We just
had a wonderful show about the Frenchin Louisiana, famous French family, the
Villaries. Well, this is oneof the most greatest political philosophers in the
history of the world. And I'mtalking about Alexis to Tokville, who came
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to America in the eighteen thirties andwrote a famous book called Democracy in America.
He had seen the hours of theFrench Revolution and the completely failed mess
that it created, one of thefirst communists, maybe the first communist revolution
in the history of the world.And he looked at the American Revolution and
seen such remarkable success. By theway, our wonderful General Lafayette had the
same impression. And so even thoughhe worked very hard to save the French
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Revolution, it was a total disaster. And so in his research he concluded
his book this is a famous oneof the considered to be one of the
greatest works of political philosophy, politicalscience, and the history of the world.
He said, I came to Americaseeking this secret of her genius.
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I arrived in her teeming harborst filledwith commerce and shipping, and yet found
it not. He said. Iwent to their business place and watched the
merchants making great profit, and stillI found it not, it said.
I crossed their fruited plains, wentto their great institutions of learning, their
universities and schools, and still Ifound it. Not. I went to
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their halls of Congress and read theirmatchless constitution and decoration independence, and still
the secret was kept from me.It was not until I went to their
churches and saw their pulpits aflame witha gospel of righteousness, that I discovered
the true secret of America. Americais great because America is good and righteous.
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But if America ever quits being goodand righteous, America will quit being
great. And so, folks,again, I arrest my case. We
have very powerful biblical foundations, andthat is the reason this country has become
a great country. It is becauseGod has blessed America. Because there was
a time in America where we trulysought God. I don't know where we
are right now. We're in troubleand that will lead us to the final
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part of this section when we gointo the signs of the end. But
before that, it is time forus to go into our gospel moment where
we just take a brief moment toremind you how you can know and show
you how you can know that.You know that, you know you're going
to heaven when you die. You'resaved from a burning hell and you're guaranteed
heaven. Folks. I think everybodyshould want that. I think everybody should
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want to have God's love. Imean, That's what God's all about.
I'm telling you from the throughout theBible, the primary theme of the Bible
is one simple little four word fromGenesis Revelation. Love. It's all about
love in the end. You seeGod's sweet love throughout the scripture, and
you see is tough love. Butit's all about love, folks. The
Bible says God loves you with aneverlasting love. But we got a big
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love problem. It's broken up totwo things, sin and death. And
when I say death, I meanthe second death where you will spend an
eternity like the walking dead, likea zombie, where you will have no
life, you will have existence,you will have a memory, you will
have logical thought, and you willhave great torment because you rejected God's love
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to the very end of your life. All it takes is a spark,
just a moment in time, somewherein your life where you finally truly turn
to God and you trust him.And that's what you need to know about
right now. That's called the gospel. The scripture says, the Gospel is
the power of God into salvation towhosover believeth. And it says, for
I declare to you the Gospel,and first queen is fifteen. I declare
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to you the gospel that Christ diedfor all of our sins, all of
them, folks, from the dayyou're born, in the day you die,
you tiniest to your greatest sins,all went on Jesus. He was
literally turned into that sin. Thescripture says, turned into sin, made
sin. That's how intimate he iswith us, and that's the price he
was willing to pay to go thatfar. Because his love was that great,
He that knew no sin was madesin, that you out there,
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folks, might be made the righteousnessof God in him. So he took
care of your sin problem when hedied on the cross for all your sins.
The Bible says it his blood washedhim all the way. But then
that's the problem. The rest ofthe problem is your death problem. And
he took care of that when herose from the dead to win for you
his precious free gift of resurrection,everlasting life. Folks, For I declare
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into you the gospel that cries Godfor all of our sins, was buried
and rose from the dead to winfor you heaven to save you from hell.
To whosoever believeth That's the scripture,folks, And that's what you need
right now. If you've never believedthis before, the scripture says now,
today is the day of salvation,folks. The way you believe is you
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have to believe two things. Thefirst thing you have to believe is believe
you can't save yourself. You're hopelessand help us. Without God destined to
a burning hell, you are completelyincapable of saving yourself. So why are
you trying? Quit it? Religionwon't do it, Money won't do it.
Fast living or whatever you think iscool and great and wonderful, that
there's so many things like a list, None of that's going to do it.
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Your intelligence, your charm, whateveryou think you got going for you,
it's never going to get you intoheaven. It won't get you even
a nineo second in that direction,or a nano unit of distance in that
direction. It'll get you nothing.So quit trusting yourself. This split sucking.
You do that you've done a greatthing. Now that takes humility because
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it means you're gonna have to kindof put your pride on the side,
in fact, really put your prideon the side. That's gonna be the
hard part. But the easy partis the rest of it. To have
the faith of a little child,to believe that Jesus really did die for
all your sins, was buried androse in the dead. Jesus kept saying
repent, and believe. Repent fromthinking. That means change your mind.
Change your mind from thinking that you'reso good and you can do something to
help God out, or you cando it by yourself. You never will.
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Once you've done that, the nextstep is so simple. Just believe
that Jesus did it for you.He did it, He's doing it,
and he will do it because Hedied for all your sins on the cross
and rose in the dead to winfor you heaven, your mansion in heaven.
If you don't have that title deedyet, folks, you gotta get
it. So folks that now it'snot time for us to go into our
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chaplain by by watchmen on the wall, where I just again take a brief
time to remind you that we arein the end times and ge is coming
back really really soon. There's somany signs, or over two hundred prophecies,
they've just about every one of themhas been done. Now. This
has never happened in the history ofthe world of any kind of religious book.
No, I mean, the mostprophecies that have ever been filled in
other religious books are just two orthree whatever, and they're very vague.
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These are specific prophecies, and folks, the one I want to talk about
right now is wickedness across the land. The Bible says in the end they'll
call good evil and evil good.Look at what they're doing right now in
schools. They're telling they're putting littlekids in jail because they bring an aspen
to school, but they tell themit's okay. If you mutilate yourself,
you want to cut your private partsoff, let's do it. This is
a good thing. That is wicked, folks, and that's being promoted with
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children in our schools. Right now. We're being told that families are old
fashioned and a broken family or familyraised by the state is the way to
go, which has always proven tobe disastrous. They're calling good evil and
evil good right now. In somany ways, folks, our judicial system
has gone bizarre, has gone crazy. Now they're we have law fair.
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We don't have real justice in America, the old fashioned biblical jurispridence. Know
what do we have law fair inwhires? If you've got the political poll
and wheeling and dealing, you canuse the courts to destroy your political opponent.
That is wicked, folks, Butthey're calling it good. So folks,
you see, we are in theend, and if you're not ready,
you better get ready. You needa bunker, Jesus said, run
to the hills, running the mountains, get in the hill, getting a
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cave, get the rocks over you. You need a bunker. The greatest
bunker you'll ever get is the LordJesus Christ. Buy him right now.
He's a pearl of great price.You know how you buy him, You
give up your pride. That's whatyou pay to get Jesus. So just
give it up. Trust him,believe that he died for your sins and
rose some debt. And I promiseyou you're gonna make it through these hard
times because He's gonna be with youevery inch of the way. And folks,
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as we're talking about how to knowGod the Father, let us remember
our fathers as we are now inthe Father's Day weekend. It's very very
important. You know. The Biblesays that the glory of the children is
their father. Fathers have such animpact. You remove a father from the
home and the kids go crazy.Right now, most of the people in
jail, most of the people withall their problems and whatever drug problems,
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this, that or whatever, theextreme majority of them grew up without fathers.
It's one of the great tragedies inthis country. And I know because
many of my kids don't have fathers. We need to get the father back
in the home, folks, Andwe need to honor the father and respect
the father for the great job thathe does. So on this Father's Day,
let us remember this and remember realmen love flowers. My father was
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like John John Wayne, and heloved his flowers, his carnations and everything.
He was a real man's man.So remember, real men love flowers.
I'm telling you that because earlier wetalked to you about Villaries Floors.
You get your flower floral arrangement foryour father. This for this Father's Day
weekend. Their phone numbers five zero, four eight, three three, three
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seven one six are their website asVillaries Floors dot com. And folks again,
please it's important to remember our fathers. Have a great Father's Day and
time time for us clothes with mindSaint Martin singing a creole goodbye, and
God bless all out there. Wecall you, we all goodbye. They
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think we're just wasted. A timefor the meaded all three sable. There's
time for a creo goodbye.
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