September 3, 2025 • 54 mins
Hy and Christopher host the candidates for New Orleans Criminal Sheriff on this week’s edition of the Founders Show. Incumbent Susan Hutson, former NOPD member Robert "Bob" Murray, former Judge Julian Parker, 2nd District Constable Edwin Mark Shorty Jr., and former NOPD interim superintendent Michelle Woodfork join us. We asked the questions what they would do if elected Sheriff, how they would deal with the aftermath of the recent prison break, and what role they believe faith plays in rehab rehabilitation.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Corruption and dysfunction. It's gone on the table. Divide it, avention.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And God bless all out there. You are now listening
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You're Founding Fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
Christopher Tidmor, your roving reporter, resident radical moderate, and associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net,
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have a special edition for you here today on the
Founder's Show, in partnership with the Crime Fighters Organization, we
are going to have a live debate of the candidates
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for sheriff and the first question and the introduction will
go to the president of the Crime Fighters Organization, mister
IRV Magray.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Irv, do you want to.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Thank all the candidates for being here? That being said,
we're going to start with the sheriff alphabetically, and the
rules of the debate are very clear, so each candidate
will have a five minute opening statement. Let's set off
with the incumbent sheriff by alphabata Una, Susan Hudson, Miss Hudson.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Okay, good evening. I'm Orlean's Parish Sheriff, Susan Hudson. Honor
to be here tonight. Thank the crime Fighters for inviting
us all for this first debate. I think we've had
some forums, but this is our first debate, so glad
to be here. I want to talk to you about
my tenure for the three and a quarter years I've
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been in office, just three in a quarter years. So
let's take you back to twenty twenty two. I come
into office in May. There was no transition to get
into office. So when we got in there, we had
to get in, dig in, figure out everything that was
going on.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
By the way, can you hear me?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Okay, get in there, find out everything that was going on,
and then start executing our plan. When I ran for sheriff,
I told this community. I promised this community that I would.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Do three things. I said.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Number one, I'm going to take care of the deputies
who work for us. And the deputies had not had
a raise in five years when I got into office,
and they were making fifteen dollars and forty seven cents
an hour to work on a tier was sixty people
accused of violent filmings deputy to do that. They had
not the training academy was not accredited and it wasn't
doing well. They did not have radios on the pods,
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they did not have body worn cameras when they worked
in the streets for details. They did not have blisting
this so we were not taking care of the people
who take care of us. One of the first things
I was able to do is get them a raise.
I got them two raises in consecutive years, so they're
up to about eighteen fifty. That's still not enough. You
can go do lifeguarding and make more than that, so
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we need a paid plan. I've come to the city
Council every year. I intend to make this a part
of the campaign debate during this cycle. The city Council
and the mayor have to plan with the parish offices.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
They do not do that.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
We go to the crucible, which is the city council
budget meeting, and then we all fight for a couple
of dollars. And that's not planning. We don't plan for
five ten anything. We don't plan to take care of
our building, to take care of our deputies, to have
pay plans.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
We don't plan about what we're going to do for
this city.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
But back to the deputies, I said, Promise number one,
I'm going to take care of them.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I've done that.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Promise number two, I said, I'm going to do something
with those in our custody. You may or may not
know this, but because of the way our system works
and it moves so slowly, people can stay in custody
up to nine years before they go to trial. The
average is around two, but you could be five six.
I've got you here in my custody for all this time.
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I've got to do something with you while you're there,
So I've got to give you a second shot. And
if I don't give you something to do, what do
you think people do who are in custody, who don't
have anything to do?
Speaker 7 (04:43):
You think it's good things? It's bad things.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Especially if you're facing many years in prison, you probably
don't have a great education. And I am the largest
provider of mental health in this state. At any given time,
six hundred to eight hundred people are our mental health docket.
That means being diagnosed and getting medication every day. So
when I've got you here, number one, I got to
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give you a great treatment medical and mental health care.
We're under federal court orders because the former sheriff did
not provide proper medical and mental health care. I bought
it in a new provider, and that new provider also
now provides addiction treatment, which was not being done before
I got into office. So now we're also treating We're
treating mental health addiction, and we're also treating the trauma
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that gets people into jail.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
When kids grow up seeing.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Violence in the streets, do you think they do the opposite?
Speaker 7 (05:36):
They don't. They do what they learned.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
So we've been taking care of those in our custody.
Promise number two that I've kept. Promise number three. I said,
I'm going to bring this organization into this century.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
We have a jail.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Management system that has and many of you will know this,
a black screen and green prompts on it. Now, all
the young people are like, what are you talking about? Yeah, so, no,
this is old technology. We're coming into this century.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
Now. I have a new jail management system which will
be here this fall.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
We've upgraded all our systems so we can have a
smart jail and I can provide real data to you,
the decision makers in this community, so you can see
my performance because I'm betting on the men and women.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Of this department.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And along the way, I've taken on Marty Garras, I've
taken on juveniles and a sixteen hundred population when I
only have when I got into office forty five percent
staffing and I'm now at sixty percent. So everything I
promised this community I would do, I've done. We'll talk
more about the escape and how that happened, but it
was a result of not investing in the building and
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not investing in our deputies, and that's what caused May
sixteenth to happen Moreleans Parish Sheriff Susan Hudson and honored
to be here to night.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Those are showing The Founder Show with Hi McKinny and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder's Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
word Fork. Earth Magriy of the Crime Fighters organization is
joining us in the questioning yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Next candidate will be Robert Bob Murray, former Rovin's Parish Sheriff,
Criminal Sheriff and security consultant.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Mister Murray.
Speaker 8 (07:19):
I want to thank the Crimes for inviting us. This
has always been a great organization to deal with, and
I appreciate all of you coming out because this is
a very important race.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Bob Murray.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
We all know. All of us sitting in here knows
that stupidity equals doing the same thing over and over
again and looking for a different result. This race is
about two things. The security of our jail. The security
of our city. When Miss Hudson came in, she inherited
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a brand new building, brand new, state of the art,
And what basically occurred was this, Miss Hudson refuses to
go inside the building. And to be very honest with you,
I can't blame because what goes on in that jail
is just a part of life that happens in any jail.
The forty years ago, when I started in the correction system,
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I came under two of the best chiefs there, Chief
Rudy and Chief Weaver. I was in the old building,
and in that old building you saw the same thing
as you see in the new building. You see rape,
you see spit, you see it all. You pull dead
people out the cell, people throw, they vombent on you.
And that's just the way a real jail works. And
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for those of you who please don't misunderstand me, for
those of you who think this is just a joke,
is really not. When you have a sheriff, a sheriff
has to be able to go in the cell. They
have to be able to understand what goes on in
the jail. The sheriff is the faith of the jail.
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The sheriff is like the firefight. Who runs to the
fire with their brave cells. You can't run away from
the fire. So if you're a sheriff, you can't run
away from it. What we have here is a sheriff
who is let the building going to neglect is what
has occurred. And if you're not up to that, then
you shouldn't run for de seat because no one's making
you do it. In addition to that, if you have
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a sheriff who doesn't understand it takes three years to
know that all your locks are broke, we have a
serious problem. As your next sheriff, I'm gonna do three things.
My first one hundred daties. As a graduate of Southern
University and Concludia University. Before I could get my collegiate education,
I got a street education. And the street education is
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very important. I think everyone knows that you combine my
street education with my collegiate education. That's why I'm here today.
Forty years in security, forty years in corrections. So what
you have here is a situation that is ouid control.
First one hundred days, I'm gonna hire one hundred security
personnel already licensed by the state, already been verified by
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the state. They passed the drug test the whole nine yards.
It doesn't take three years to understand. You do not
have to be post certified to work in a jail.
Their security God, say, do this work every day every day. Secondly,
I would terminate this twelve hour workshielf, because it's terrible.
It was like that forty years ago. It's time that
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we give our deputies a break. I'm gonna eliminate that.
The third thing I'm gonna do is electrified defense. It's
not rocket science, the electrified fence, because they would have
never got over the fence. That fence will knock their
ass to down, simple as that. It's not rocket science.
And so what we have here is a sureff who's
gonna think of every reason until you vote for her.
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And she could not make those three changes in three years.
If she took one year to do each thing, it
would have been done. My name is Bob Murray. I've
been active in the community all my life, forty five years.
I'm the old guy on the stage. That's how I'm
the old guy on the stage. And with that being said,
when you elected me, you will have a sheriff who
is not afraid to go in the sell because it's
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very intimidated. I don't blame her. I don't blame her,
but you got to have the heart here to be
able to do it. You want the job, be a sheriff,
go in to sell, do your job, and we'll go.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You're right.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Bob Murray.
I'm number three on the ballot and I appreciate your book.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Those are joining The Founder Show with Hi mckennny and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder's Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
world Fork. IRV Magray of the Crime Fighters Organization is
joining us in the questioning.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Now let's go to our next candidate, the honorable Julian Parker,
retired Judge Orleans Parish Criminal District Court.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Judge Parker, you'd even everyone, and thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
My name is Julian Parker.
Speaker 9 (12:06):
I've lived in New Orleans all my life. I went
to Abrams and ZeVA University, Southern University Law School in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
State Graduate School.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
I've been married for forty four years. I have three sons.
Two of my sons are with me tonight. One of
I'm a New Orleans policeman, Jonathan, and I started at
the District Attorney's Office in nineteen eighty three. My speciality
at the District Attorney's Office was narcotics distribution cases in homicides.
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I set a courthouse for record by trying seventy six
Fellamy jury trials in one year.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
It had never been done before, it's never been done since.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
When I left the DA's office, I went to the
United States Attorney's Office, where I specialized in dismantling organized
crime groups and drug distribution organizations. For those of you
who were a little bit older than so many youngsters,
you may remember the Glen Minz drug trafficking organization that
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was my case. There were over twenty five members of
that organization. Nine went to trial and nine were convicted,
and they all received life sentences for everything from tax
evasion or rik ohomicide. I worked in Dutch Moreal's law
firm for six years, and I learned quite a bit
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from him, and I learned a lot about politics from there,
I worked for a firm that did admiralty and toxic
exposure litigation, so I've been on both sides, the criminal
side and the civil side.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I ran for.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
Judge thirty years ago and I never had opposition except
the first time, so I've only been in a voting
poll one time. I was the first drug court judge
in the state Louisiana. Drug Court was an eighteen month
program where the probations they had to see me twice
a month, They had to take random drug tests, and
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we helped them to get off of drugs and become
productive citizens. It was an alternative to incarceration. It was
very successful. The average amount of drug addicts that you
find in jail is about sixty five percent, but only
eleven percent receive drug treatment. The things that we learned
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over the years at the US Attorney's office, the District
Attorney's office, and the court, and the things I learned
from Dutch, We're going to put into the Sheriff's office,
including my nine point plan to secure to jail and
I'll get to that later to save it.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Thank you very much, Thank you, judge.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Those are showing the Founder Show with himI Kenry and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
word Fork. IRV Magri of the Crime Fighters Organization is
joining us in the questioning.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Our next candidate will be the Constable of the second
District City Court in Orleans Parish, and that's going to be,
of course, Honorable Edwin Mark Shorty Jr.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
Good evening everyone. My name is Edwin Shorty and I
currently serve as your constable in Algiers. A little bit
of background about myself. I'm from the Lower ninth Ward.
I went to Lawless High School and then I went
to Southern University at New Orleans. While I was at
Southern University at New Orleans, there was a program for
college students to work in the jail, and I worked
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my way through undergrad in the jail. While I was
in the jail, working in Templeman one and two under
Chief Rudy, I met a young lady.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
I ended up marrying that young lady.
Speaker 10 (15:53):
That young lady was not an inmate. She was a nurse.
My wife and I met while we both worked in
Temple Mum one and two. After finishing undergrad and leaving
the jail, I went to Southern University Law School started
practicing law right after I was admitted to the bar
in two thousand and three. I still have my own
law practice. One of the only folks up here who
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can say they've run started their own business. In twenty twelve,
I ran for him, was elected for Constable and Algiers.
And for those who don't know what the Constable does,
it's different based on jurisdictions. So in this jurisdiction, I
handle all of the civil process that comes out of
the city court. So I have the West Bank, Lambertgoisier
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has the East Bank. If you remember, after Katrina, the
civil sheriff and the criminal sheriff were merged. So basically
the civil responsibilities for the sheriff's office are what I
do for a smaller court. So I've won reelection as
Constable twice without opposition. In twenty eighteen, Governor Edwards appointed
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me to the board of my alma mater, where I'm
the former chair of Southern University's Board supervisors. So I
know a little bit about higher education, a little bit
about government funding. What do I think I can do
differently than the individuals sitting up here. Well, one, I
want to get back to having the Sheriff's office assist
the New Orleans Police Department. We realize that the New
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Orleans Police Department is short. They're going to be short
for a significant period of time. There are things that
the Sheriff's office can do to assist the New Orleans
Police Department, like traffic stops. It terrifies me to drive
around the city of New Orleans because no one does
traffic stops, and I don't blame an OPD for that.
They're shorthanded. They've got to focus on those violent crimes.
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But if you start doing traffic stops, that helps bring
down a crime rate. That also helps investigate other crimes.
Quality of life issues. Some time ago, the City of
New Orleans approach me as constable to do some quality
of life things. Issuing summons is to people who violate
trash ordinances and other things on their property. To issue
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them summons is. The city didn't make it attractive for
me to do it, because basically they wanted me to
spend ten thousand dollars to make five thousand dollars, and
I said, that doesn't make sense. But as the sheriff,
I think we would have the workforce to be able
to do that. What are the things I think I
can do to recruit The sheriff talked about paying people
more and how the prison break may have happened because
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folks didn't make enough and they're watching too many inmates. Well,
when I worked there, I made seven dollars an hour
and I watched one hundred and fifty six inmates, most
of the time by myself, and we didn't have any escapes.
I think this is about whether or not you feel
that your job is safe, that you are safe when
you are at work, and that's about recruitment. I think
we reinstitute the college program that worked very well when
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I was there. It was a great job for a
college student. I think we reinstitute the about Face program.
There was a program that allowed individuals who were stationed
here in the military to work in the jail. They
got corrections officer training and they also worked there. And
we really got to look at the twelve hour shift.
So sixty to seventy percent of the Sheriff's current workforce
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is female. If you offer some flexibility with that scheduling
to allow folks who may want to drop their kids
off at school, they may want to pick their kids up,
give them that flexibility and say I want you to
work for me, but maybe you can't do the twelve
hour shift. I think you can increase the workforce.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
So those are just a few of the.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Things I think we can institute that allows the workforce
to increase, which also causes the deputies to be safer
and therefore cause the inmates to be safer. Some of
this stuff is not rocket science. This consent decree that
we've been out of, that she's had three and a
half years to try and get out of and still
can't get out of, is because you're not reporting the
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use of violence appropriately. You're not doing the things that
you need to do, and you've had three years, and
after three years you still can't get it done. It's
time to move on.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Console those's showing The Founder Show with Hi mckenry and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder's Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
world Fork IRV Magri of the Crime Fighters Organization is
joining us in the questioning.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Now let's go with last, certainly, not least, but alphabetically.
That's how we went. The former chief of the New
Orleans Police Department, Michelle Woodwalk.
Speaker 11 (20:28):
Good evening everyone. My name is Michelle wood Fork and
I am a native daughter to the city. I'm a
graduate of Saint Mary's Academy. I graduated from Southern University
at New Orleans with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice
with a minor and political science, and a master's degree
in criminal justice with a concentration and law enforcement. I
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am a proven leader with uncompromising integrity from deputy sheriff
when I started working for the Sheriff's office in nineteen
eighty nine to becoming a Nuanced police officer, to becoming
your first female superintendent to lead the Nuance Police Department.
I am the only candidate who has a knowledge, training,
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and experience to fix the things that are wrong inside
the Orleans Parish Sheriff's Department. When I was your interiom superintendent,
I authored and implemented a strategic plan. That plan addressed
reducing violent crime, recruitment and retention, community engagement, technology, and
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consent decrete compliance. With that plan, we brought crime down
twenty five percent. We brought carjackings down forty five percent.
We tripled officer recruitment. We hired one hundred and five
new police recruits in twenty twenty three and one hundred
and four civilian employees in twenty twenty three, tripling.
Speaker 12 (21:58):
They all mount before. We hadn't hired that many people
in like six years. How did we do it? A
robust recruitment effort.
Speaker 11 (22:05):
That strategic plan also addressed violent crime. We partnered with
our local, state, and federal partners. We went in certain
areas where we used data analysis and saw where violent
crime was going on, and we deployed those different agencies
into those different areas, and that's how our crime began
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to see a decrease.
Speaker 12 (22:28):
Recruitment. We did everything.
Speaker 11 (22:31):
We partnered with NPDJF, the Neuance Police Andjustice Foundation. We
partnered with a Baptist seminary who did every We started
giving testing on site, but we also gave incentives, incentives
in pay, incentives in training, and absolute upward mobility inside
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the agency, the chance for people to be promoted without
favoritism for fairness. We also had some technology going on.
We had some drones we used. We started implementing a
new system, a case management system.
Speaker 12 (23:09):
We did excellent.
Speaker 11 (23:11):
We're moving along in the federal consent decree because in
order to move along in a federal consent decree, you
have to have qualified monitors. You have to have a
qualified compliance team made up of auditors, policy writers, and
attorneys to move along in the federal consent decree.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
Right now, the NPD is in a sustainment phase.
Speaker 11 (23:33):
The Sheriff's office is still not even at fifty percent
compliance and it's been twelve years.
Speaker 12 (23:39):
Community engagement.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
We brought back officer friendly, We had a junior Citizens
Police Academy, we had the Citizens Police Academy.
Speaker 12 (23:48):
A lot of community engagement.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
And as your next sheriff, what I ensure is this
that will bring integrity, accountability, and transparency through focusing on
jail improvements, recruitment and retention, rehabilitation, reunification and re entry.
Because you see, the public has lost trust and confidence
in the Sheriff's department and we need a leader who
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is going to restore that trust. We need a leader
who will commit to using her education, her expertise in
law enforcement and common sense to bring safety to our
jail and all of New Orleans.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
My name is Michelle Woodwork.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
I'm number six on the valid and I'd love to
have your vote.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Folks, you're listening to a debate of the Orleans Parish
Sheriff's candidates. We'll come back and ask about the jail
break and what really happened. After these important messages, Stay
tuned more of the Founder Show with Hi McHenry and
Christopher Tidmore right after this.
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Speaker 3 (26:02):
Welcome back to the Founder's Show with Hi McKenny and
Christopher Tadmore. You can hear us every Monday, Wednesday and
Friday or ninety three point nine FM, fifteen sixty AMWSLA
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partner with the Crime Fighters Organization to host a live
to tape debate at the Lakefront Airport a couple weeks
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ago with IRV Magri and his organization and had all
of the different candidates in place to ask them questions
of why they should be sheriff. And right now we
want to turn and ask about the prison break. Obviously
ten prisoners escape, ones on the way, What happened? Why
were the locks not working, Why were they able to
get through the wall, and how do we know that
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this will never happen again. Let's start off the questioning
by talking to former NOPD Superintendent Michelle Woodford. Your thoughts,
Chief Woodford, how did the escape occur and how do
we make sure it will never happen again.
Speaker 12 (26:58):
It's an ongoing investigtion.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Gage.
Speaker 11 (27:00):
You don't know exactly what's what happened with the investigation
from Faith value.
Speaker 12 (27:05):
What I see happen is a couple of things.
Speaker 11 (27:07):
Poor leadership, poor management and competent leadership, no supervision, not
enough staffing, insufficient staffing.
Speaker 12 (27:17):
That's what led to this escape.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
You know, I our sheriff is going to say that
this couldn't happen on its own, and maybe she's right,
cause we don't know the outcome. But in order to
run a safe jail, you have to have enough people
working in the jail, and in order to do that,
you have to have a robust recruitment effort. How do
you do that again? You have to have incentives. You
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have to offer training, you have to offer an increase
in salary, you have to offer upward mobility inside the agency.
This happened because there was no supervision. Had there been supervision,
we would have known.
Speaker 12 (27:54):
We wouldn't have known.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
Twelve hours later or fourteen hours later that these people
were missing from inside the facility. We would have had
our sheriff tell us in a timely manner that these
people were escaped, not hours and hours later. The problem
is poor management and poor leadership in this facility, and
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it's time for a new leader, approven leader, one who
gets results, one who supervised over twelve hundred and fifty
people a budget of one hundred and sixty six million dollars.
Speaker 12 (28:28):
We were successful.
Speaker 11 (28:30):
And we're fiscally sound, unlike the current state of the
Sheriff's office.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
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live and unedited. Joining us next is Constable Edwin Shorty.
Your thoughts on the question of how the escape happened
out of Orleans Parish Prison.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
There's an old saying that you know it's the best
time to lock the barn doors after the horses ran away.
Does it really matter to you how it happened?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It happened.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
There's gonna be an investigation, They're gonna figure out exactly
what happened. What's important to you and what's important to
me is that it took seven hours for them to
realize that it happened. That they didn't realize that ten
folks ran out. And I got in trouble with the
sheriff when I said they ran out the front door,
last time, the front door, to back door, the kitchen door,
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whichever door they ran out of. We saw all saw
them on TV running out. They ran out, and there
they were gone, and one of them still going. So
doesn't matter how we got to the point that they
ran out. It matters that they ran out and we
didn't know for seven hours. Then it matters to you
that the first time victims of these criminals found out
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was from watching the news and that is ridiculous. It
took you seven hours to realize they left, then it
took you two and a half hours to notify everyone.
Took you hours to notify the New Orleans Police Department,
chief State Police, the DA who prosecuted these people, the
judges who sentenced them, and most importantly the victims. And
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what do we always say, if you see something, say something,
So we asked people to say something. They said something.
These folks got prosecuted, and then you don't even send
anyone to protect them. You don't even notify them and
they find out by watching WGN or WWL or whatever.
That is the real issue. How they got out will
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be resolved in an investigation, but the lack of leadership,
the lack of supervision, the lack of accountability around them
escaping is the real problem. And then to say that
you feel that it was done by those individuals who
are running against you shows also a lack of competency.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
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happened with the prison break and how can we avoid
it ever happening again, goes to Judge Julian Parker.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Well, everybody says we need more deputies, we need more,
we need more of that. Well, all that takes money.
We haven't heard anything about where this money's coming from.
I have some ideas, but for right now, let's talk
about what could have been done and what I will
do to make sure this doesn't happen and again, and.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
It's not gonna cost anything extra.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Number one, we're gonna hire full time locksmith to supervise
these supposedly busted locks. Number two, you don't house high
risk inmates on the first floor. You house them on
the fourth floor. If they want to escape. They can
tie sheets together and drop down like Jimmy Cagney.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Number three.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
High risk inmates and inmates waiting transportation to the department
corrections are going to be housed in a special housing unit.
The best guards and the best deputies are gonna be
assigned to the housing unit.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Staff and deputies shall not.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Leave their posts until they're re leaved by another staff
member or a deputy. This applies to meal breaks. We
keep hearing about somebody left to go get food. That's
what they said the morning that it happened, five six, seven,
eight hours later that it was. And I tell you
that that was the most expensive lunch in the history
of the city in the Wallas, because it was two
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars a week to send all
these federal agents, police.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And sheriffs to go look for these people.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Video monitors will be constantly monitored.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Bedchecks will be made every sixty minutes. Every deputy sheriff's
going to be issued on flashlight.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
If they don't have a flashlight, I'll buy it for them.
The loading docks are going to be guarded twenty four
hours a day and also monitor by the video monitors
and Finally, Deputy's show supervised civilian maintenance crews at all
times when they're working in a jail.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Those are showing The Founder Show with himI Kenry and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
word Fork. Next up is mister Robert Bob Murray.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
But you've heard for the most part is all the false.
Now now listen to me very clearly.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Ms.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Hudson is an administrator and she's been a great one.
She's been great. Her career has been great. Miss wood
Falk is the same, She's been a great administry. What
you have is two people, for the past fifteen years
of their careers have set behind a desk. You cannot
be an effective sheriff setting behind a desk. You have
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to have the boots on the ground. You have to
know what's going on in your jail. If you don't
run to the fire, who else is. So basically, what
I'm saying is this is what's gonna come down to.
Does missus Hudson take three years to find out locksdo Morgan?
I'll tell you why it took that long, because she
was around the corner in that nice little beautiful building
on the third or fourth floor somewhere, and that's what
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she was. She's not gonna come around the corner. Ain't
going to jail. And I can assure you, as my
name is Bob Murray, miss wood Falk is gonna do
the same. And why are they gonna do the same.
They're gonna both do the same because they're trained to
do that. They're trained to delegate from behind the desk.
And that's okay some people, but as your next sheriff,
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a sheriff cannot delegate from behind a desk. You have
to go inside the building. You have to inspect the chairs,
you have to inspect that the difficulties and the deficiencies
that are in that jail. I've worked in the jail,
I've been in the cells. I know what it takes
to do that. But I can assure you an administrator
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is not gonna do that. How long does it take
to think about let me electrified this fence, Let me
electri fire defense. Touch it, You're gonna fault. How long
does it take you three years to know you have
a broken lock in your house?
Speaker 7 (35:38):
No, it does.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
So the bottom line is I'm gonna make my office
in a jail cell.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Thank you very much, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
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Orleans Parish answering the question why the jail break happened,
Susan Hudson, Miss Hudson, I.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Just want to correct a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
What I told Shorty at the last meeting was just
tell the truth, which again got up here and failed
to do. Let me tell you what incompetence is and
confidence is talking about something you don't know what you're
talking about, but pretending that you do, because you ain't
never been in there and don't know what you've seen,
and never had anything to do with this.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
A deputy cannot run the jail.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
The jail is not just the jail.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
It is a mini city.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
It runs from Broad Street all the way to Norman Francis.
There's a power plant, a water treatment, a kitchen warehouse,
a mechanic shop, all the things you need to do
to support this city. And all the deputies in the
courts and kitchen warehouse wherever they're at, all have to
support that enterprise.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
So what happened was when I got into.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Office on May in May of twenty twenty two, we
started assessing. Just like I talked about in July of
twenty twenty two, I wrote a letter to the Federal
Court judge on the consent decree, to the city Council
and the mayor, and I said, there are broken locks
this jail. This state of the art jail was built
so that it could be dismantled. You can take pieces
off to make weapons, They can pull wires down to
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make fires.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
Because the lights weren't built right.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
The water the fire suppression system, they can pull that
off and flood the cells. It was built incorrectly. There
are no cameras in the pipe chases, so you can't
see who's around and they're doing whatever they're doing, which
is what led to this escape. So what I told
them is these locks are broken. I came to city
council every year. I told them the same thing. Right
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before the escape, I went to the Capitol budget and
I said, we've got to fix these locks. It is
five hundred thousand dollars per housing unit. There are twenty
four housing units in the jail.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Do the math.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
The money has to be put forward. When chief was
a when she was the chief of the interim chief
of the New Orleans Police Department, the City council gave
them whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They don't give that.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Money to the Orleans Farish Sheriff's Office. NLPD was forty
two million over budget last year, not us.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
The money goes to.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Them for I'm Chaplain High mcinnery. I'm a new member
on the executive board. My question, my question is it
has been proven time after time that when you give
prisoners a spiritual program. It has a huge impact on
their lives and their reintroduction into society. I was a
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jail chaplain, a prison chaplain on the North Shore for
ten years. I saw it happen. We know what Warden
Kaine did at Angola, which is an amazing story. Y'all
have any plans or thoughts about that.
Speaker 11 (38:46):
Absolutely, I'm grounded by my spiritual beliefs and I believe
that prayer changes everything. And so I think even though
these people are accused of different crimes from misdemeanors to felonies,
I think that is what to create a change in them,
to have UH spiritual leaders come in and and talk
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to them. Understand, right now, a friend of mine, her
dad is a practicing Muslim, and there are some uh
uh practicing Muslims that are in UH held inside of OJC,
and he brought them mats, all of those things, but
yet they have not led him inside to pray with
these people. And so I think it's very very important
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that every religion, uh, every uh religion that people are
want to see or a different uh spirit out that
that I believe in different different spiritual realities and stuff
like that they should be let inside.
Speaker 12 (39:44):
The prison so they can have some spiritual time.
Speaker 10 (39:48):
Comfortable if h event short, Yes, I think they should
have access to whatever faith that they are a part of,
if they wanna see a priest and in mom or rabbi.
I don't have a problem with that. I think I
think that helps keep violence down in the jail by
giving them that outlet. So I think that is something
that is practiced consistently across this nation. And I don't
see and I'm not necessarily sure that Sheriff Hudson is
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not doing that currently, but I think if if she
weren't doing that, I would institute that or we would
continue doing whatever programs that she's got. But I want
them to have access to their faith based leaders, Parker.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I've met with a couple of prison.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
Chaplains, including the rabbi, and everyone should have the opportunity
while incoss raided to exercise their right to religion.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
But it shouldn't be forced on them.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Those who don't want to participate have a constitutional right
not to participate. But I really do believe that faith
based programs.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Help morale, cuts down on violence. And these are things
that are known facts.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
This is just not something I'm telling you or something
that I've researched, and you'd be surprised how many people
can come out a better person for the experience.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Thank you very much, Barberry, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
I believe faith plays a very important role in all
of our lives, one way or another. I believe that
any penal institution, no matter where it sat, should have
an outlet for any individual's religion, beliefs, and their faith.
So eyes you're sure will definitely make any religion that
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that person belongs to available and h and that's that
should be something without even asking. I'm a very faithful
person myself, and God has brought me this for and
I've come this for by faith.
Speaker 12 (41:45):
Thank you, Sheriff.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
I say, yeah, I like my opponents.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Uh, my faith is a big part of everything I do.
But running for sheriff was an act of faith to
help people get to a better life.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
And that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Every day. We have a chaplaincy.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Program's vibrant and it works. We just did a massive
baptism ceremony the last month, so we allow that to happen.
We do allow in some religious equipment, some rugs, some
there's some bands that are used in the Jewish religion.
Some things we can't bring in because they're a safety issue.
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But we look at them all individually and assess them
and screen them and then make that decision. But we
absolutely have service in the jail regularly.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
I want to thank all the candidates for sure, puts
them all a big round of applause.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
The election for Orleans Parish Sheriff starts in just about
three weeks, with early voting on September twenty seventh and
the main election day on October eleventh. Now, with no hesitation,
we go straight into the patriotic and spiritual moment with
chaplain Hi McHenry Hi.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And so folks, without hesitation. As Christopher just said, it's
no time for us to go into our chaplain by
by patriotic moment. Were just take a break moment to
remind you of the biblical foundations of our country, our
Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And today I'd like to talk about
one of our most famous Americans, a former president, but
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who was also the New York City Police chief, and
he's one of the greatest police chiefs New York City
ever had, and I'm talking about none other than good
old Teddy Roosevelt. You ought to see what he did
in New York City, high cleaned it up. Oh, if
we could have a police chief or a sheriff like
that in New Orleans today, it would do wonders for
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our beloved city. And now listen to the words of
Teddy Roosevelt. He said, a thorough knowledge of the Bible
is worth more than a college education. He was very
well educated, Harvard, Yale, etc. It does so rest my
soul to come into the House of the Lord and
worship and to sing and to mean it Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord,
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God Almighty, and to know that He is my father
and takes me and his plans, and in commune with Christ,
I'm sure I get wisdom not my own, and superhuman
strength for fighting the moral evils I'm called to confront folks.
I think he wanted God on his side, God in government.
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He knew how much we needed it. He went on
to say, this was written in the preface of a
New Testament, the New Testament that was given to all
of our soldiers going to war in World War One.
In nineteen seventeen. He wrote in front of the this
was printed in front of their books that and this
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was his quote. Do justice and therefore fight valiantly against
those that stand in the reign of Moloch and beelz
above on this earth, love mercy, Treat your enemies well,
sucker the afflicted. Treat every woman as if she were
your sister. Care for the little children, and be tender
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with the old and helpless. Walk humbly. You will do
so if you study the life and teachings of the Savior,
our Savior walking in his steps. Folks, I think Teddy
Roosevelt really knew how much we needed God in government.
But what about God in you? Do you have God
in you? Because you know you could be the greatest
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biblical patriot that ever lived. Have you died and missed heaven?
What good would it do you? It would be such
a tragic loss. So what I'd like to do now
is just take a brief moment again in a short while,
to show you how you can be absolutely certain that
when you die, you're going to Heaven, that you're God's child.
Teddy Roosevelt certainly seemed to know that and understand that
one of New York City's greatest police chief. Maybe they
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their greatest police chief. So here's what I want to
share with you, and this Before I do that, I
want to ask you two questions. Have any of y'all
out there come to the place in your spiritual life where
you know for certain that if you died tonight, you'd
go to heaven.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Now, let's just say to night's your big night. You
are going to die tonight. And God would come in
your room one hour before you die, and he'd say, hey,
you put your name in there, why should I let
you come into my heaven? Well, what would you tell him?
Do you know the answer? Well, I almost share the answer.
You're with you right now. It's found in God's for
Love Secrets. These are the mysteries of the universe revealed
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in God's for Love Secrets. The first one that you
need to know is that God loves you. The scripture says,
the Lord has loved you with an everlasting love. It's
Jeremia thirty one three. And the scripture says, for God's
so loved the world that he gave folks because God's
a lover, He's a giver. That's the first love secret
you need to know. The second love secret is this,
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and that's your love problem. And this is sin and
hell and death. That's your love problem. The Boble says,
for all have sin and comes short of the glory
of God. And for the wages of sin is death.
That means eternal damnation and a burning hell. Folks, those
are found in Romans three twenty three and six twenty three.
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You see, you got two problems, big blood problems. Here,
sin which takes you to hell, and death which keeps
you there. Folks, that's a big love problem. But no worries.
Because God knew you had this great love problem and
you can never fix it yourself. He came up with
a love plan. This is God's love solution for your
love pollution. And it goes like this. It's about free grace.
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It's about the gospel. The gospel means good news. God's
free love gift for you, for me, for all of us. Jesus,
God the Son took care of this for us. The
script says He died for all our sins. That means
all of them. From the day you born of the
day you die, You tinians tea greatest sins. They all
went on Christ and his blood washed them all the way,
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that he died for all of our sins, according to
the scripts, that he was buried, and that he rose
again the third day. According to the scripture, you said,
when he died for your sins, he took care of
your sin problem. When he rose from the dead, he
took care of your death problem. That's the second death.
That means eternal damnation again in a burning hell. Well,
you know loves the two way street, folks, It can't
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just be one way. That's God's love to us. We
got to love him back now, and it's very simple.
How you love him back. The scripture says, believe that
you cannot save your very lost and wicked self. That's
called repentance, and it just plan simply means a change
of mind. Metanoia is a Greek word. But that God did,
He can, and he will save you from a burning
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hell and guarantee you ever lasting life. Stop trusting in
your way. The script says, there's a way that seemeth
right and the man, but the end thereof are the
ways of death. So when you quit trusting in yourself,
how good you can be? Holy, you can be righteous,
or whatever the heck you think you are. When you
quit trusted in yourself. You just repent it. You have to.
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I mean, you cannot bring your good works into the deal,
because your good works will never be good enough. The
scripture says, for all of our righteousness are as filthy rags,
So which is not good enough for God? That's all right,
no words, He was good enough for us, and that's
what you need. You need his goodness. Jesus kept saying, repent, ye,
and believe the Gospel. You see, repentance is the first
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part of your faith, and the second part of your
faith is to take the free gift of everlasting life.
To believe it's free for you. The scripture says, for
God so loved the world, that's you, that he gave
his only begotten son, that's Jesus. And who'sover believed in him.
Believeth in the Gospel, which the scripture says is the
power of God into salvation. Believe in Jesus that he
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died for your sins in wisselin who's over believing in
him should not perish and not go to hell, but
have everlasting life. That's John three sixteen. The split second
you do this, you've just been born again. You now
have a new birth, a second birth. It's your spirit
coming alive. It was a dead and dying spirit and
it's coming fully life. Folks, you know you've got to
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do this to receive Christ. You just can't have the
knowledge of it. You know. The scripture says, thou believest
to when God that'll dos while the devil's believe in tremble.
It's more than just having knowledge about God. You've got
to really believe with all your heart. And you can
only believe with all your heart if you quit trusting
that you can do something about it. Well, we can
pray about that right now. Praying won't get you to heaven,
but praying could be the trigger faith that will bring
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you in. You know, the scripture says they that call
upon the name of the Lord will be saved. And
the scripture says, seeking you shall find not going to
shall be open, ask and it shall be given unto you.
So we're going to ask God right now that you'll
get this story straight in your mind, this precious gospel
message and truly believe with all your heart because you're
not trusting anything else, which means you're repented. Let us pray,
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Dear God, thank you so much for this time to
hear your word, to understand the plan to go to heaven,
the plan to save us from hell and guarantee us
everlasting life, the plan to know your love fully. It's
Lord right now, a simple childlike faith. I believe that
Jesus died for all of my sins, was buried and
rose from the dead, and I thank you so much
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for the free gift of everlasting life in Jesus' name,
God Incarnate. All right, folks, it's time for us now
to go into our testimony time. We'll take again just
a brief moment to remind you and tell you a
story about a great American. A great I did not
have be American, A great anybody who served God in
this warld whether it's from the early Church, it could
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be before the Church. It could be a father Abraham.
There's so many great testimonies we have, and today we're
going to talk about another than warden Burl Caine. He
was a fellow from Louisiana and he became the longest standing,
the longest employed warden in Louisiana history. He was a
warden at Angola and he changed that place radically LSU
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came to him and said, let us put an educational
plan in your university. He says, Nope, doesn't work, just
doesn't work. We've tried them before. They never worked. The
only thing that works as a spiritual plan. Well, the
Southern Baptist Seminary in New Ams got word of that.
They went to and said, can we start a seminary
here a Bible couge. He said, go for it, guys,
they did. Do you know that Angola went from being
the most dangerous, murderous prison in America, the most blood
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lettings prison in America, being the most peaceful one within
a few years of this new program, a spiritual program.
It radically changed Angola considered to be an impossible prison.
And Warden Kane is a man who did it. He
went on to do so many great things that I
could go on and on about all his accomplishments. You know,
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when he was getting his graduate level degrees, he went
to Grambling College, an African American college here in Louisiana.
He's a white guy's good old redneck fella. Someone claim
he reminded him of Boss Hog in the Dukes of Hazard.
He was quite a character, but he loved God, and
what a testimony he gave us. Right now. In Angola,
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every section is broken up different different sections has a
chapel built by the inmates, and every apple is pastored
by an inmate. That's the impact that the Bible can
have on people's lives. If you've never experienced this before,
you need to do it yourself right now. Go to
Jesus right now, just like so many people in Angola
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have done, and believe that He is your savior, that
he died for all your sins, was buried in Rose
and the dead God incarnate. Believe in him right now. Well, folks,
it's not time for us to close close to the mind.
Saint Martin singing a Creole goodbye, and God bless you
all out there.
Speaker 14 (53:33):
You call you cREL goodbye. They think we just wasted
the time. All three sibl sy, there's time for a
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Creo goodbye.
Bie holes, the politicians addressed, the digitators and magicians. Who's
to see the money? Then you don't, there's nothing to
fill the holes while then are filling their packets bied holes,
the politicians bouncing down the road. Everybody's wian to no moment.
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Corruption and dysfunction. It's gone on the table. Divide it, avention.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And God bless all out there. You are now listening
to the founders. So the voice of the founding fathers,
You're Founding Fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big Easy,
that old Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana, and high up
on top of that old Liberty Cypress tree way out
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on the Eagles Branch. This is none other than your
Spngary Babba of the Republic, Chaplain High mc henry with.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Christopher Tidmor, your roving reporter, resident radical moderate, and associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net,
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Get your edition and get your subscription. But folks, we
have a special edition for you here today on the
Founder's Show, in partnership with the Crime Fighters Organization, we
are going to have a live debate of the candidates
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for sheriff and the first question and the introduction will
go to the president of the Crime Fighters Organization, mister
IRV Magray.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Irv, do you want to.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Thank all the candidates for being here? That being said,
we're going to start with the sheriff alphabetically, and the
rules of the debate are very clear, so each candidate
will have a five minute opening statement. Let's set off
with the incumbent sheriff by alphabata Una, Susan Hudson, Miss Hudson.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Okay, good evening. I'm Orlean's Parish Sheriff, Susan Hudson. Honor
to be here tonight. Thank the crime Fighters for inviting
us all for this first debate. I think we've had
some forums, but this is our first debate, so glad
to be here. I want to talk to you about
my tenure for the three and a quarter years I've
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been in office, just three in a quarter years. So
let's take you back to twenty twenty two. I come
into office in May. There was no transition to get
into office. So when we got in there, we had
to get in, dig in, figure out everything that was
going on.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
By the way, can you hear me?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Okay, get in there, find out everything that was going on,
and then start executing our plan. When I ran for sheriff,
I told this community. I promised this community that I would.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Do three things. I said.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Number one, I'm going to take care of the deputies
who work for us. And the deputies had not had
a raise in five years when I got into office,
and they were making fifteen dollars and forty seven cents
an hour to work on a tier was sixty people
accused of violent filmings deputy to do that. They had
not the training academy was not accredited and it wasn't
doing well. They did not have radios on the pods,
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they did not have body worn cameras when they worked
in the streets for details. They did not have blisting
this so we were not taking care of the people
who take care of us. One of the first things
I was able to do is get them a raise.
I got them two raises in consecutive years, so they're
up to about eighteen fifty. That's still not enough. You
can go do lifeguarding and make more than that, so
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we need a paid plan. I've come to the city
Council every year. I intend to make this a part
of the campaign debate during this cycle. The city Council
and the mayor have to plan with the parish offices.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
They do not do that.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
We go to the crucible, which is the city council
budget meeting, and then we all fight for a couple
of dollars. And that's not planning. We don't plan for
five ten anything. We don't plan to take care of
our building, to take care of our deputies, to have
pay plans.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
We don't plan about what we're going to do for
this city.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
But back to the deputies, I said, Promise number one,
I'm going to take care of them.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I've done that.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Promise number two, I said, I'm going to do something
with those in our custody. You may or may not
know this, but because of the way our system works
and it moves so slowly, people can stay in custody
up to nine years before they go to trial. The
average is around two, but you could be five six.
I've got you here in my custody for all this time.
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I've got to do something with you while you're there,
So I've got to give you a second shot. And
if I don't give you something to do, what do
you think people do who are in custody, who don't
have anything to do?
Speaker 7 (04:43):
You think it's good things? It's bad things.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Especially if you're facing many years in prison, you probably
don't have a great education. And I am the largest
provider of mental health in this state. At any given time,
six hundred to eight hundred people are our mental health docket.
That means being diagnosed and getting medication every day. So
when I've got you here, number one, I got to
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give you a great treatment medical and mental health care.
We're under federal court orders because the former sheriff did
not provide proper medical and mental health care. I bought
it in a new provider, and that new provider also
now provides addiction treatment, which was not being done before
I got into office. So now we're also treating We're
treating mental health addiction, and we're also treating the trauma
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that gets people into jail.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
When kids grow up seeing.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Violence in the streets, do you think they do the opposite?
Speaker 7 (05:36):
They don't. They do what they learned.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
So we've been taking care of those in our custody.
Promise number two that I've kept. Promise number three. I said,
I'm going to bring this organization into this century.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
We have a jail.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Management system that has and many of you will know this,
a black screen and green prompts on it. Now, all
the young people are like, what are you talking about? Yeah, so, no,
this is old technology. We're coming into this century.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
Now. I have a new jail management system which will
be here this fall.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
We've upgraded all our systems so we can have a
smart jail and I can provide real data to you,
the decision makers in this community, so you can see
my performance because I'm betting on the men and women.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Of this department.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And along the way, I've taken on Marty Garras, I've
taken on juveniles and a sixteen hundred population when I
only have when I got into office forty five percent
staffing and I'm now at sixty percent. So everything I
promised this community I would do, I've done. We'll talk
more about the escape and how that happened, but it
was a result of not investing in the building and
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not investing in our deputies, and that's what caused May
sixteenth to happen Moreleans Parish Sheriff Susan Hudson and honored
to be here to night.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Those are showing The Founder Show with Hi McKinny and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder's Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
word Fork. Earth Magriy of the Crime Fighters organization is
joining us in the questioning yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Next candidate will be Robert Bob Murray, former Rovin's Parish Sheriff,
Criminal Sheriff and security consultant.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Mister Murray.
Speaker 8 (07:19):
I want to thank the Crimes for inviting us. This
has always been a great organization to deal with, and
I appreciate all of you coming out because this is
a very important race.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Bob Murray.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
We all know. All of us sitting in here knows
that stupidity equals doing the same thing over and over
again and looking for a different result. This race is
about two things. The security of our jail. The security
of our city. When Miss Hudson came in, she inherited
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a brand new building, brand new, state of the art,
And what basically occurred was this, Miss Hudson refuses to
go inside the building. And to be very honest with you,
I can't blame because what goes on in that jail
is just a part of life that happens in any jail.
The forty years ago, when I started in the correction system,
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I came under two of the best chiefs there, Chief
Rudy and Chief Weaver. I was in the old building,
and in that old building you saw the same thing
as you see in the new building. You see rape,
you see spit, you see it all. You pull dead
people out the cell, people throw, they vombent on you.
And that's just the way a real jail works. And
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for those of you who please don't misunderstand me, for
those of you who think this is just a joke,
is really not. When you have a sheriff, a sheriff
has to be able to go in the cell. They
have to be able to understand what goes on in
the jail. The sheriff is the faith of the jail.
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The sheriff is like the firefight. Who runs to the
fire with their brave cells. You can't run away from
the fire. So if you're a sheriff, you can't run
away from it. What we have here is a sheriff
who is let the building going to neglect is what
has occurred. And if you're not up to that, then
you shouldn't run for de seat because no one's making
you do it. In addition to that, if you have
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a sheriff who doesn't understand it takes three years to
know that all your locks are broke, we have a
serious problem. As your next sheriff, I'm gonna do three things.
My first one hundred daties. As a graduate of Southern
University and Concludia University. Before I could get my collegiate education,
I got a street education. And the street education is
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very important. I think everyone knows that you combine my
street education with my collegiate education. That's why I'm here today.
Forty years in security, forty years in corrections. So what
you have here is a situation that is ouid control.
First one hundred days, I'm gonna hire one hundred security
personnel already licensed by the state, already been verified by
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the state. They passed the drug test the whole nine yards.
It doesn't take three years to understand. You do not
have to be post certified to work in a jail.
Their security God, say, do this work every day every day. Secondly,
I would terminate this twelve hour workshielf, because it's terrible.
It was like that forty years ago. It's time that
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we give our deputies a break. I'm gonna eliminate that.
The third thing I'm gonna do is electrified defense. It's
not rocket science, the electrified fence, because they would have
never got over the fence. That fence will knock their
ass to down, simple as that. It's not rocket science.
And so what we have here is a sureff who's
gonna think of every reason until you vote for her.
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And she could not make those three changes in three years.
If she took one year to do each thing, it
would have been done. My name is Bob Murray. I've
been active in the community all my life, forty five years.
I'm the old guy on the stage. That's how I'm
the old guy on the stage. And with that being said,
when you elected me, you will have a sheriff who
is not afraid to go in the sell because it's
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very intimidated. I don't blame her. I don't blame her,
but you got to have the heart here to be
able to do it. You want the job, be a sheriff,
go in to sell, do your job, and we'll go.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You're right.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Bob Murray.
I'm number three on the ballot and I appreciate your book.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Those are joining The Founder Show with Hi mckennny and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder's Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
world Fork. IRV Magray of the Crime Fighters Organization is
joining us in the questioning.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Now let's go to our next candidate, the honorable Julian Parker,
retired Judge Orleans Parish Criminal District Court.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Judge Parker, you'd even everyone, and thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
My name is Julian Parker.
Speaker 9 (12:06):
I've lived in New Orleans all my life. I went
to Abrams and ZeVA University, Southern University Law School in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
State Graduate School.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
I've been married for forty four years. I have three sons.
Two of my sons are with me tonight. One of
I'm a New Orleans policeman, Jonathan, and I started at
the District Attorney's Office in nineteen eighty three. My speciality
at the District Attorney's Office was narcotics distribution cases in homicides.
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I set a courthouse for record by trying seventy six
Fellamy jury trials in one year.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
It had never been done before, it's never been done since.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
When I left the DA's office, I went to the
United States Attorney's Office, where I specialized in dismantling organized
crime groups and drug distribution organizations. For those of you
who were a little bit older than so many youngsters,
you may remember the Glen Minz drug trafficking organization that
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was my case. There were over twenty five members of
that organization. Nine went to trial and nine were convicted,
and they all received life sentences for everything from tax
evasion or rik ohomicide. I worked in Dutch Moreal's law
firm for six years, and I learned quite a bit
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from him, and I learned a lot about politics from there,
I worked for a firm that did admiralty and toxic
exposure litigation, so I've been on both sides, the criminal
side and the civil side.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I ran for.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
Judge thirty years ago and I never had opposition except
the first time, so I've only been in a voting
poll one time. I was the first drug court judge
in the state Louisiana. Drug Court was an eighteen month
program where the probations they had to see me twice
a month, They had to take random drug tests, and
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we helped them to get off of drugs and become
productive citizens. It was an alternative to incarceration. It was
very successful. The average amount of drug addicts that you
find in jail is about sixty five percent, but only
eleven percent receive drug treatment. The things that we learned
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over the years at the US Attorney's office, the District
Attorney's office, and the court, and the things I learned
from Dutch, We're going to put into the Sheriff's office,
including my nine point plan to secure to jail and
I'll get to that later to save it.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Thank you very much, Thank you, judge.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Those are showing the Founder Show with himI Kenry and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
word Fork. IRV Magri of the Crime Fighters Organization is
joining us in the questioning.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Our next candidate will be the Constable of the second
District City Court in Orleans Parish, and that's going to be,
of course, Honorable Edwin Mark Shorty Jr.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
Good evening everyone. My name is Edwin Shorty and I
currently serve as your constable in Algiers. A little bit
of background about myself. I'm from the Lower ninth Ward.
I went to Lawless High School and then I went
to Southern University at New Orleans. While I was at
Southern University at New Orleans, there was a program for
college students to work in the jail, and I worked
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my way through undergrad in the jail. While I was
in the jail, working in Templeman one and two under
Chief Rudy, I met a young lady.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
I ended up marrying that young lady.
Speaker 10 (15:53):
That young lady was not an inmate. She was a nurse.
My wife and I met while we both worked in
Temple Mum one and two. After finishing undergrad and leaving
the jail, I went to Southern University Law School started
practicing law right after I was admitted to the bar
in two thousand and three. I still have my own
law practice. One of the only folks up here who
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can say they've run started their own business. In twenty twelve,
I ran for him, was elected for Constable and Algiers.
And for those who don't know what the Constable does,
it's different based on jurisdictions. So in this jurisdiction, I
handle all of the civil process that comes out of
the city court. So I have the West Bank, Lambertgoisier
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has the East Bank. If you remember, after Katrina, the
civil sheriff and the criminal sheriff were merged. So basically
the civil responsibilities for the sheriff's office are what I
do for a smaller court. So I've won reelection as
Constable twice without opposition. In twenty eighteen, Governor Edwards appointed
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me to the board of my alma mater, where I'm
the former chair of Southern University's Board supervisors. So I
know a little bit about higher education, a little bit
about government funding. What do I think I can do
differently than the individuals sitting up here. Well, one, I
want to get back to having the Sheriff's office assist
the New Orleans Police Department. We realize that the New
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Orleans Police Department is short. They're going to be short
for a significant period of time. There are things that
the Sheriff's office can do to assist the New Orleans
Police Department, like traffic stops. It terrifies me to drive
around the city of New Orleans because no one does
traffic stops, and I don't blame an OPD for that.
They're shorthanded. They've got to focus on those violent crimes.
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But if you start doing traffic stops, that helps bring
down a crime rate. That also helps investigate other crimes.
Quality of life issues. Some time ago, the City of
New Orleans approach me as constable to do some quality
of life things. Issuing summons is to people who violate
trash ordinances and other things on their property. To issue
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them summons is. The city didn't make it attractive for
me to do it, because basically they wanted me to
spend ten thousand dollars to make five thousand dollars, and
I said, that doesn't make sense. But as the sheriff,
I think we would have the workforce to be able
to do that. What are the things I think I
can do to recruit The sheriff talked about paying people
more and how the prison break may have happened because
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folks didn't make enough and they're watching too many inmates. Well,
when I worked there, I made seven dollars an hour
and I watched one hundred and fifty six inmates, most
of the time by myself, and we didn't have any escapes.
I think this is about whether or not you feel
that your job is safe, that you are safe when
you are at work, and that's about recruitment. I think
we reinstitute the college program that worked very well when
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I was there. It was a great job for a
college student. I think we reinstitute the about Face program.
There was a program that allowed individuals who were stationed
here in the military to work in the jail. They
got corrections officer training and they also worked there. And
we really got to look at the twelve hour shift.
So sixty to seventy percent of the Sheriff's current workforce
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is female. If you offer some flexibility with that scheduling
to allow folks who may want to drop their kids
off at school, they may want to pick their kids up,
give them that flexibility and say I want you to
work for me, but maybe you can't do the twelve
hour shift. I think you can increase the workforce.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
So those are just a few of the.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Things I think we can institute that allows the workforce
to increase, which also causes the deputies to be safer
and therefore cause the inmates to be safer. Some of
this stuff is not rocket science. This consent decree that
we've been out of, that she's had three and a
half years to try and get out of and still
can't get out of, is because you're not reporting the
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use of violence appropriately. You're not doing the things that
you need to do, and you've had three years, and
after three years you still can't get it done. It's
time to move on.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Console those's showing The Founder Show with Hi mckenry and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder's Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
world Fork IRV Magri of the Crime Fighters Organization is
joining us in the questioning.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Now let's go with last, certainly, not least, but alphabetically.
That's how we went. The former chief of the New
Orleans Police Department, Michelle Woodwalk.
Speaker 11 (20:28):
Good evening everyone. My name is Michelle wood Fork and
I am a native daughter to the city. I'm a
graduate of Saint Mary's Academy. I graduated from Southern University
at New Orleans with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice
with a minor and political science, and a master's degree
in criminal justice with a concentration and law enforcement. I
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am a proven leader with uncompromising integrity from deputy sheriff
when I started working for the Sheriff's office in nineteen
eighty nine to becoming a Nuanced police officer, to becoming
your first female superintendent to lead the Nuance Police Department.
I am the only candidate who has a knowledge, training,
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and experience to fix the things that are wrong inside
the Orleans Parish Sheriff's Department. When I was your interiom superintendent,
I authored and implemented a strategic plan. That plan addressed
reducing violent crime, recruitment and retention, community engagement, technology, and
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consent decrete compliance. With that plan, we brought crime down
twenty five percent. We brought carjackings down forty five percent.
We tripled officer recruitment. We hired one hundred and five
new police recruits in twenty twenty three and one hundred
and four civilian employees in twenty twenty three, tripling.
Speaker 12 (21:58):
They all mount before. We hadn't hired that many people
in like six years. How did we do it? A
robust recruitment effort.
Speaker 11 (22:05):
That strategic plan also addressed violent crime. We partnered with
our local, state, and federal partners. We went in certain
areas where we used data analysis and saw where violent
crime was going on, and we deployed those different agencies
into those different areas, and that's how our crime began
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to see a decrease.
Speaker 12 (22:28):
Recruitment. We did everything.
Speaker 11 (22:31):
We partnered with NPDJF, the Neuance Police Andjustice Foundation. We
partnered with a Baptist seminary who did every We started
giving testing on site, but we also gave incentives, incentives
in pay, incentives in training, and absolute upward mobility inside
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the agency, the chance for people to be promoted without
favoritism for fairness. We also had some technology going on.
We had some drones we used. We started implementing a
new system, a case management system.
Speaker 12 (23:09):
We did excellent.
Speaker 11 (23:11):
We're moving along in the federal consent decree because in
order to move along in a federal consent decree, you
have to have qualified monitors. You have to have a
qualified compliance team made up of auditors, policy writers, and
attorneys to move along in the federal consent decree.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
Right now, the NPD is in a sustainment phase.
Speaker 11 (23:33):
The Sheriff's office is still not even at fifty percent
compliance and it's been twelve years.
Speaker 12 (23:39):
Community engagement.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
We brought back officer friendly, We had a junior Citizens
Police Academy, we had the Citizens Police Academy.
Speaker 12 (23:48):
A lot of community engagement.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
And as your next sheriff, what I ensure is this
that will bring integrity, accountability, and transparency through focusing on
jail improvements, recruitment and retention, rehabilitation, reunification and re entry.
Because you see, the public has lost trust and confidence
in the Sheriff's department and we need a leader who
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is going to restore that trust. We need a leader
who will commit to using her education, her expertise in
law enforcement and common sense to bring safety to our
jail and all of New Orleans.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
My name is Michelle Woodwork.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
I'm number six on the valid and I'd love to
have your vote.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
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Sheriff's candidates. We'll come back and ask about the jail
break and what really happened. After these important messages, Stay
tuned more of the Founder Show with Hi McHenry and
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Welcome back to the Founder's Show with Hi McKenny and
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partner with the Crime Fighters Organization to host a live
to tape debate at the Lakefront Airport a couple weeks
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ago with IRV Magri and his organization and had all
of the different candidates in place to ask them questions
of why they should be sheriff. And right now we
want to turn and ask about the prison break. Obviously
ten prisoners escape, ones on the way, What happened? Why
were the locks not working, Why were they able to
get through the wall, and how do we know that
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this will never happen again. Let's start off the questioning
by talking to former NOPD Superintendent Michelle Woodford. Your thoughts,
Chief Woodford, how did the escape occur and how do
we make sure it will never happen again.
Speaker 12 (26:58):
It's an ongoing investigtion.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Gage.
Speaker 11 (27:00):
You don't know exactly what's what happened with the investigation
from Faith value.
Speaker 12 (27:05):
What I see happen is a couple of things.
Speaker 11 (27:07):
Poor leadership, poor management and competent leadership, no supervision, not
enough staffing, insufficient staffing.
Speaker 12 (27:17):
That's what led to this escape.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
You know, I our sheriff is going to say that
this couldn't happen on its own, and maybe she's right,
cause we don't know the outcome. But in order to
run a safe jail, you have to have enough people
working in the jail, and in order to do that,
you have to have a robust recruitment effort. How do
you do that again? You have to have incentives. You
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have to offer training, you have to offer an increase
in salary, you have to offer upward mobility inside the agency.
This happened because there was no supervision. Had there been supervision,
we would have known.
Speaker 12 (27:54):
We wouldn't have known.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
Twelve hours later or fourteen hours later that these people
were missing from inside the facility. We would have had
our sheriff tell us in a timely manner that these
people were escaped, not hours and hours later. The problem
is poor management and poor leadership in this facility, and
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it's time for a new leader, approven leader, one who
gets results, one who supervised over twelve hundred and fifty
people a budget of one hundred and sixty six million dollars.
Speaker 12 (28:28):
We were successful.
Speaker 11 (28:30):
And we're fiscally sound, unlike the current state of the
Sheriff's office.
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live and unedited. Joining us next is Constable Edwin Shorty.
Your thoughts on the question of how the escape happened
out of Orleans Parish Prison.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
There's an old saying that you know it's the best
time to lock the barn doors after the horses ran away.
Does it really matter to you how it happened?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It happened.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
There's gonna be an investigation, They're gonna figure out exactly
what happened. What's important to you and what's important to
me is that it took seven hours for them to
realize that it happened. That they didn't realize that ten
folks ran out. And I got in trouble with the
sheriff when I said they ran out the front door,
last time, the front door, to back door, the kitchen door,
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whichever door they ran out of. We saw all saw
them on TV running out. They ran out, and there
they were gone, and one of them still going. So
doesn't matter how we got to the point that they
ran out. It matters that they ran out and we
didn't know for seven hours. Then it matters to you
that the first time victims of these criminals found out
(30:01):
was from watching the news and that is ridiculous. It
took you seven hours to realize they left, then it
took you two and a half hours to notify everyone.
Took you hours to notify the New Orleans Police Department,
chief State Police, the DA who prosecuted these people, the
judges who sentenced them, and most importantly the victims. And
(30:24):
what do we always say, if you see something, say something,
So we asked people to say something. They said something.
These folks got prosecuted, and then you don't even send
anyone to protect them. You don't even notify them and
they find out by watching WGN or WWL or whatever.
That is the real issue. How they got out will
(30:46):
be resolved in an investigation, but the lack of leadership,
the lack of supervision, the lack of accountability around them
escaping is the real problem. And then to say that
you feel that it was done by those individuals who
are running against you shows also a lack of competency.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
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happened with the prison break and how can we avoid
it ever happening again, goes to Judge Julian Parker.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Well, everybody says we need more deputies, we need more,
we need more of that. Well, all that takes money.
We haven't heard anything about where this money's coming from.
I have some ideas, but for right now, let's talk
about what could have been done and what I will
do to make sure this doesn't happen and again, and.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
It's not gonna cost anything extra.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Number one, we're gonna hire full time locksmith to supervise
these supposedly busted locks. Number two, you don't house high
risk inmates on the first floor. You house them on
the fourth floor. If they want to escape. They can
tie sheets together and drop down like Jimmy Cagney.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Number three.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
High risk inmates and inmates waiting transportation to the department
corrections are going to be housed in a special housing unit.
The best guards and the best deputies are gonna be
assigned to the housing unit.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Staff and deputies shall not.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Leave their posts until they're re leaved by another staff
member or a deputy. This applies to meal breaks. We
keep hearing about somebody left to go get food. That's
what they said the morning that it happened, five six, seven,
eight hours later that it was. And I tell you
that that was the most expensive lunch in the history
of the city in the Wallas, because it was two
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars a week to send all
these federal agents, police.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And sheriffs to go look for these people.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Video monitors will be constantly monitored.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Bedchecks will be made every sixty minutes. Every deputy sheriff's
going to be issued on flashlight.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
If they don't have a flashlight, I'll buy it for them.
The loading docks are going to be guarded twenty four
hours a day and also monitor by the video monitors
and Finally, Deputy's show supervised civilian maintenance crews at all
times when they're working in a jail.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Those are showing The Founder Show with himI Kenry and
Christopher Tidmore. You're listening to a live edition of The
Founder Show with the candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff, including
Susan Hudson, Bob Murray, Julian Parker, Edwin Shorty, and Michelle
word Fork. Next up is mister Robert Bob Murray.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
But you've heard for the most part is all the false.
Now now listen to me very clearly.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Ms.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Hudson is an administrator and she's been a great one.
She's been great. Her career has been great. Miss wood
Falk is the same, She's been a great administry. What
you have is two people, for the past fifteen years
of their careers have set behind a desk. You cannot
be an effective sheriff setting behind a desk. You have
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to have the boots on the ground. You have to
know what's going on in your jail. If you don't
run to the fire, who else is. So basically, what
I'm saying is this is what's gonna come down to.
Does missus Hudson take three years to find out locksdo Morgan?
I'll tell you why it took that long, because she
was around the corner in that nice little beautiful building
on the third or fourth floor somewhere, and that's what
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she was. She's not gonna come around the corner. Ain't
going to jail. And I can assure you, as my
name is Bob Murray, miss wood Falk is gonna do
the same. And why are they gonna do the same.
They're gonna both do the same because they're trained to
do that. They're trained to delegate from behind the desk.
And that's okay some people, but as your next sheriff,
(35:03):
a sheriff cannot delegate from behind a desk. You have
to go inside the building. You have to inspect the chairs,
you have to inspect that the difficulties and the deficiencies
that are in that jail. I've worked in the jail,
I've been in the cells. I know what it takes
to do that. But I can assure you an administrator
(35:25):
is not gonna do that. How long does it take
to think about let me electrified this fence, Let me
electri fire defense. Touch it, You're gonna fault. How long
does it take you three years to know you have
a broken lock in your house?
Speaker 7 (35:38):
No, it does.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
So the bottom line is I'm gonna make my office
in a jail cell.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Thank you very much, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Mister Murray, you're listening to a live debate of the
candidates for Orleans Parish Sheriff. Today's debate is also brought
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(36:07):
nine three sixty nine. That's five O four seven two
three nine three sixty nine. Now the incumbent Sheriff of
Orleans Parish answering the question why the jail break happened,
Susan Hudson, Miss Hudson, I.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Just want to correct a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
What I told Shorty at the last meeting was just
tell the truth, which again got up here and failed
to do. Let me tell you what incompetence is and
confidence is talking about something you don't know what you're
talking about, but pretending that you do, because you ain't
never been in there and don't know what you've seen,
and never had anything to do with this.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
A deputy cannot run the jail.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
The jail is not just the jail.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
It is a mini city.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
It runs from Broad Street all the way to Norman Francis.
There's a power plant, a water treatment, a kitchen warehouse,
a mechanic shop, all the things you need to do
to support this city. And all the deputies in the
courts and kitchen warehouse wherever they're at, all have to
support that enterprise.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
So what happened was when I got into.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Office on May in May of twenty twenty two, we
started assessing. Just like I talked about in July of
twenty twenty two, I wrote a letter to the Federal
Court judge on the consent decree, to the city Council
and the mayor, and I said, there are broken locks
this jail. This state of the art jail was built
so that it could be dismantled. You can take pieces
off to make weapons, They can pull wires down to
(37:21):
make fires.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
Because the lights weren't built right.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
The water the fire suppression system, they can pull that
off and flood the cells. It was built incorrectly. There
are no cameras in the pipe chases, so you can't
see who's around and they're doing whatever they're doing, which
is what led to this escape. So what I told
them is these locks are broken. I came to city
council every year. I told them the same thing. Right
(37:46):
before the escape, I went to the Capitol budget and
I said, we've got to fix these locks. It is
five hundred thousand dollars per housing unit. There are twenty
four housing units in the jail.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Do the math.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
The money has to be put forward. When chief was
a when she was the chief of the interim chief
of the New Orleans Police Department, the City council gave
them whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They don't give that.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Money to the Orleans Farish Sheriff's Office. NLPD was forty
two million over budget last year, not us.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
The money goes to.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Them for I'm Chaplain High mcinnery. I'm a new member
on the executive board. My question, my question is it
has been proven time after time that when you give
prisoners a spiritual program. It has a huge impact on
their lives and their reintroduction into society. I was a
(38:34):
jail chaplain, a prison chaplain on the North Shore for
ten years. I saw it happen. We know what Warden
Kaine did at Angola, which is an amazing story. Y'all
have any plans or thoughts about that.
Speaker 11 (38:46):
Absolutely, I'm grounded by my spiritual beliefs and I believe
that prayer changes everything. And so I think even though
these people are accused of different crimes from misdemeanors to felonies,
I think that is what to create a change in them,
to have UH spiritual leaders come in and and talk
(39:07):
to them. Understand, right now, a friend of mine, her
dad is a practicing Muslim, and there are some uh
uh practicing Muslims that are in UH held inside of OJC,
and he brought them mats, all of those things, but
yet they have not led him inside to pray with
these people. And so I think it's very very important
(39:30):
that every religion, uh, every uh religion that people are
want to see or a different uh spirit out that
that I believe in different different spiritual realities and stuff
like that they should be let inside.
Speaker 12 (39:44):
The prison so they can have some spiritual time.
Speaker 10 (39:48):
Comfortable if h event short, Yes, I think they should
have access to whatever faith that they are a part of,
if they wanna see a priest and in mom or rabbi.
I don't have a problem with that. I think I
think that helps keep violence down in the jail by
giving them that outlet. So I think that is something
that is practiced consistently across this nation. And I don't
see and I'm not necessarily sure that Sheriff Hudson is
(40:11):
not doing that currently, but I think if if she
weren't doing that, I would institute that or we would
continue doing whatever programs that she's got. But I want
them to have access to their faith based leaders, Parker.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I've met with a couple of prison.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
Chaplains, including the rabbi, and everyone should have the opportunity
while incoss raided to exercise their right to religion.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
But it shouldn't be forced on them.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Those who don't want to participate have a constitutional right
not to participate. But I really do believe that faith
based programs.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Help morale, cuts down on violence. And these are things
that are known facts.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
This is just not something I'm telling you or something
that I've researched, and you'd be surprised how many people
can come out a better person for the experience.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Thank you very much, Barberry, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
I believe faith plays a very important role in all
of our lives, one way or another. I believe that
any penal institution, no matter where it sat, should have
an outlet for any individual's religion, beliefs, and their faith.
So eyes you're sure will definitely make any religion that
(41:31):
that person belongs to available and h and that's that
should be something without even asking. I'm a very faithful
person myself, and God has brought me this for and
I've come this for by faith.
Speaker 12 (41:45):
Thank you, Sheriff.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
I say, yeah, I like my opponents.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Uh, my faith is a big part of everything I do.
But running for sheriff was an act of faith to
help people get to a better life.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
And that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Every day. We have a chaplaincy.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Program's vibrant and it works. We just did a massive
baptism ceremony the last month, so we allow that to happen.
We do allow in some religious equipment, some rugs, some
there's some bands that are used in the Jewish religion.
Some things we can't bring in because they're a safety issue.
(42:20):
But we look at them all individually and assess them
and screen them and then make that decision. But we
absolutely have service in the jail regularly.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
I want to thank all the candidates for sure, puts
them all a big round of applause.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
The election for Orleans Parish Sheriff starts in just about
three weeks, with early voting on September twenty seventh and
the main election day on October eleventh. Now, with no hesitation,
we go straight into the patriotic and spiritual moment with
chaplain Hi McHenry Hi.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And so folks, without hesitation. As Christopher just said, it's
no time for us to go into our chaplain by
by patriotic moment. Were just take a break moment to
remind you of the biblical foundations of our country, our
Judeo Christian jurisprudence. And today I'd like to talk about
one of our most famous Americans, a former president, but
(43:13):
who was also the New York City Police chief, and
he's one of the greatest police chiefs New York City
ever had, and I'm talking about none other than good
old Teddy Roosevelt. You ought to see what he did
in New York City, high cleaned it up. Oh, if
we could have a police chief or a sheriff like
that in New Orleans today, it would do wonders for
(43:34):
our beloved city. And now listen to the words of
Teddy Roosevelt. He said, a thorough knowledge of the Bible
is worth more than a college education. He was very
well educated, Harvard, Yale, etc. It does so rest my
soul to come into the House of the Lord and
worship and to sing and to mean it Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord,
(43:56):
God Almighty, and to know that He is my father
and takes me and his plans, and in commune with Christ,
I'm sure I get wisdom not my own, and superhuman
strength for fighting the moral evils I'm called to confront folks.
I think he wanted God on his side, God in government.
(44:19):
He knew how much we needed it. He went on
to say, this was written in the preface of a
New Testament, the New Testament that was given to all
of our soldiers going to war in World War One.
In nineteen seventeen. He wrote in front of the this
was printed in front of their books that and this
(44:40):
was his quote. Do justice and therefore fight valiantly against
those that stand in the reign of Moloch and beelz
above on this earth, love mercy, Treat your enemies well,
sucker the afflicted. Treat every woman as if she were
your sister. Care for the little children, and be tender
(45:02):
with the old and helpless. Walk humbly. You will do
so if you study the life and teachings of the Savior,
our Savior walking in his steps. Folks, I think Teddy
Roosevelt really knew how much we needed God in government.
But what about God in you? Do you have God
in you? Because you know you could be the greatest
(45:22):
biblical patriot that ever lived. Have you died and missed heaven?
What good would it do you? It would be such
a tragic loss. So what I'd like to do now
is just take a brief moment again in a short while,
to show you how you can be absolutely certain that
when you die, you're going to Heaven, that you're God's child.
Teddy Roosevelt certainly seemed to know that and understand that
one of New York City's greatest police chief. Maybe they
(45:47):
their greatest police chief. So here's what I want to
share with you, and this Before I do that, I
want to ask you two questions. Have any of y'all
out there come to the place in your spiritual life where
you know for certain that if you died tonight, you'd
go to heaven.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Now, let's just say to night's your big night. You
are going to die tonight. And God would come in
your room one hour before you die, and he'd say, hey,
you put your name in there, why should I let
you come into my heaven? Well, what would you tell him?
Do you know the answer? Well, I almost share the answer.
You're with you right now. It's found in God's for
Love Secrets. These are the mysteries of the universe revealed
(46:24):
in God's for Love Secrets. The first one that you
need to know is that God loves you. The scripture says,
the Lord has loved you with an everlasting love. It's
Jeremia thirty one three. And the scripture says, for God's
so loved the world that he gave folks because God's
a lover, He's a giver. That's the first love secret
you need to know. The second love secret is this,
(46:45):
and that's your love problem. And this is sin and
hell and death. That's your love problem. The Boble says,
for all have sin and comes short of the glory
of God. And for the wages of sin is death.
That means eternal damnation and a burning hell. Folks, those
are found in Romans three twenty three and six twenty three.
(47:09):
You see, you got two problems, big blood problems. Here,
sin which takes you to hell, and death which keeps
you there. Folks, that's a big love problem. But no worries.
Because God knew you had this great love problem and
you can never fix it yourself. He came up with
a love plan. This is God's love solution for your
love pollution. And it goes like this. It's about free grace.
(47:33):
It's about the gospel. The gospel means good news. God's
free love gift for you, for me, for all of us. Jesus,
God the Son took care of this for us. The
script says He died for all our sins. That means
all of them. From the day you born of the
day you die, You tinians tea greatest sins. They all
went on Christ and his blood washed them all the way,
(47:56):
that he died for all of our sins, according to
the scripts, that he was buried, and that he rose
again the third day. According to the scripture, you said,
when he died for your sins, he took care of
your sin problem. When he rose from the dead, he
took care of your death problem. That's the second death.
That means eternal damnation again in a burning hell. Well,
you know loves the two way street, folks, It can't
(48:17):
just be one way. That's God's love to us. We
got to love him back now, and it's very simple.
How you love him back. The scripture says, believe that
you cannot save your very lost and wicked self. That's
called repentance, and it just plan simply means a change
of mind. Metanoia is a Greek word. But that God did,
He can, and he will save you from a burning
(48:40):
hell and guarantee you ever lasting life. Stop trusting in
your way. The script says, there's a way that seemeth
right and the man, but the end thereof are the
ways of death. So when you quit trusting in yourself,
how good you can be? Holy, you can be righteous,
or whatever the heck you think you are. When you
quit trusted in yourself. You just repent it. You have to.
(49:00):
I mean, you cannot bring your good works into the deal,
because your good works will never be good enough. The
scripture says, for all of our righteousness are as filthy rags,
So which is not good enough for God? That's all right,
no words, He was good enough for us, and that's
what you need. You need his goodness. Jesus kept saying, repent, ye,
and believe the Gospel. You see, repentance is the first
(49:20):
part of your faith, and the second part of your
faith is to take the free gift of everlasting life.
To believe it's free for you. The scripture says, for
God so loved the world, that's you, that he gave
his only begotten son, that's Jesus. And who'sover believed in him.
Believeth in the Gospel, which the scripture says is the
power of God into salvation. Believe in Jesus that he
(49:42):
died for your sins in wisselin who's over believing in
him should not perish and not go to hell, but
have everlasting life. That's John three sixteen. The split second
you do this, you've just been born again. You now
have a new birth, a second birth. It's your spirit
coming alive. It was a dead and dying spirit and
it's coming fully life. Folks, you know you've got to
(50:03):
do this to receive Christ. You just can't have the
knowledge of it. You know. The scripture says, thou believest
to when God that'll dos while the devil's believe in tremble.
It's more than just having knowledge about God. You've got
to really believe with all your heart. And you can
only believe with all your heart if you quit trusting
that you can do something about it. Well, we can
pray about that right now. Praying won't get you to heaven,
but praying could be the trigger faith that will bring
(50:25):
you in. You know, the scripture says they that call
upon the name of the Lord will be saved. And
the scripture says, seeking you shall find not going to
shall be open, ask and it shall be given unto you.
So we're going to ask God right now that you'll
get this story straight in your mind, this precious gospel
message and truly believe with all your heart because you're
not trusting anything else, which means you're repented. Let us pray,
(50:45):
Dear God, thank you so much for this time to
hear your word, to understand the plan to go to heaven,
the plan to save us from hell and guarantee us
everlasting life, the plan to know your love fully. It's
Lord right now, a simple childlike faith. I believe that
Jesus died for all of my sins, was buried and
rose from the dead, and I thank you so much
(51:07):
for the free gift of everlasting life in Jesus' name,
God Incarnate. All right, folks, it's time for us now
to go into our testimony time. We'll take again just
a brief moment to remind you and tell you a
story about a great American. A great I did not
have be American, A great anybody who served God in
this warld whether it's from the early Church, it could
(51:28):
be before the Church. It could be a father Abraham.
There's so many great testimonies we have, and today we're
going to talk about another than warden Burl Caine. He
was a fellow from Louisiana and he became the longest standing,
the longest employed warden in Louisiana history. He was a
warden at Angola and he changed that place radically LSU
(51:49):
came to him and said, let us put an educational
plan in your university. He says, Nope, doesn't work, just
doesn't work. We've tried them before. They never worked. The
only thing that works as a spiritual plan. Well, the
Southern Baptist Seminary in New Ams got word of that.
They went to and said, can we start a seminary
here a Bible couge. He said, go for it, guys,
they did. Do you know that Angola went from being
the most dangerous, murderous prison in America, the most blood
(52:13):
lettings prison in America, being the most peaceful one within
a few years of this new program, a spiritual program.
It radically changed Angola considered to be an impossible prison.
And Warden Kane is a man who did it. He
went on to do so many great things that I
could go on and on about all his accomplishments. You know,
(52:33):
when he was getting his graduate level degrees, he went
to Grambling College, an African American college here in Louisiana.
He's a white guy's good old redneck fella. Someone claim
he reminded him of Boss Hog in the Dukes of Hazard.
He was quite a character, but he loved God, and
what a testimony he gave us. Right now. In Angola,
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every section is broken up different different sections has a
chapel built by the inmates, and every apple is pastored
by an inmate. That's the impact that the Bible can
have on people's lives. If you've never experienced this before,
you need to do it yourself right now. Go to
Jesus right now, just like so many people in Angola
(53:15):
have done, and believe that He is your savior, that
he died for all your sins, was buried in Rose
and the dead God incarnate. Believe in him right now. Well, folks,
it's not time for us to close close to the mind.
Saint Martin singing a Creole goodbye, and God bless you
all out there.
Speaker 14 (53:33):
You call you cREL goodbye. They think we just wasted
the time. All three sibl sy, there's time for a
(53:55):
Creo goodbye.
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