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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome in Stockyards Bank Sunday one of Sports Stop. I
am Anthony White, along with the great Larry Vaught and
young Jack Pilgrim of Kassar, coming to you from Clark's
Main Street Market Studios and beautiful downtown Lexington, Kentucky. The
weather's great here. The team made it back safely, and
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I as soon we're going to be rendering therapy this morning,
but sun rose this morning, and I'm glad to be
here before we get the show started. I don't I
know we had a basketball season. I guess it's officially
tipped off because they started practicing the Salt scrimmage. But
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in the meanwhile, in the middle of the week, while
I was doing my podcast on Wednesday, I got some
terrible news. Larry Vaught, a good friend end of mine
and yours. I think you were coworkers at some point
had passed away. And before we get the show started
or get off to rumbling and other things, that is
at the top of my mind, and I wanted to
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I just wanted to say, I think, Nie Dimri, we'll
be truly missed. And I'm almost certain that you echo
that sentiment.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, Lonnie had already been missed for about the last
year since he's followed a UK football game toward the
end of last season and then discovering that he had
cancer and had been battling that, and just one of
the best guys you could ever meet. Nobody loved Kentucky
football and high school football more than Lonnie. I was
probably at more high school events with Lonnie the UK games,
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maybe if I went back and counted them all up,
which is one reason we got to be such good friends.
We'd see each other at a lot of high school
events we were out at on Friday nights. And also
about Lonnie was a terrific guy. I always had a smile,
always had an opinion. I always looked for the positive
and anything he was doing. That's one thing I really
admired about Lonnie. And he was eighty three years old,
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but I just thought he would live forever. He was
just one of those guys I never imagined would not
be here. So it's a very very difficult night, and
as you said, just just rest in peace to Lonnie
and prayers to his family.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's funny said that great women's basketball player coach at
GRC Women's or GRC women's team Erica Jackson, former UK player.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Also we were talking about that. She said, how is Lonnie?
I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He's looked the same age as long as I've known him,
and I've known him for about thirty years, and he
just always looked the same age.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, And one reason I loved Lonnie so much. He
was worse a technology than me.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now that now, that doesn't that does not surprise me.
I've seen, you know, people have updated the way they
record audio, and you know, the press conferences and things.
He always just was old school with him. Man, he
still walked around a pencil and pad.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
It was. It's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Indeed, if you didn't know Lonnie, if you've ever been
listening to a UK press conference and you heard the
phone ring, I would almost guarantee you it was Lonnie's
phone went off in the press conference. You never figured
out how to turn it off or put it on,
or how to put it on silent or anything like that.
So but but again, everybody just loved Lonnie and you
just knew that was what was gonna was gonna happen.
And he just was a unique individual. And I don't
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really think I know anybody that didn't like.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Lonnie Demri, Jack Pilgrim, I'll say this about Lonnie and
some over the years, I've questioned my demeanor in the
media game, just because sometime being too honest and being
too uh unfiltered can cost you can cast your reputation,
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can cost you a job, and sometimes people don't like it,
and then there's a group of people who do.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Like Lonnie was always the one would come to me, not.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you really think, and uh like, I don't
know because I was, but he was somebody I didn't
really have to worry about going back to the media saying, well,
Anthony White said this, But that is how we became close,
because we would have off the record conversations about things
that people really didn't talk about in media. But he
would be the ones I'm sure you've been in press
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conferences with him, Jack, that will ask a question and the.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Coaches always there was always probably one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
One press conference a year, at least one press conference
a year Lonnie would ask something that the coach and
look at him and scratch her head and they would
answer it just because it was Lonnie. So I don't
know how much time you've ever spent with him, or
if you've had any experiences with Lonnie yourself.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Jack, Yeah, y'all are making me laugh over here with
the phone going off and about it technologies.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That was my.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Experience with Lonnie, just laughing it just the nonsense and
you know this like little you know, elementary school kids
giggling at games or whatever. You know, stuff would happen.
I would love, you know, he was. He was the mayor,
the football mayor. But I got to see all these
Kentucky basketball games with him, and you know, anytime cal
would do something ridiculous or you know you'd see you know,
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a player do something, do something stupid, whatever the case was,
he was the first one to kind of throw that
quip out there, the first person to kind of, you know,
ease the tension in the room when we're you know,
we're all thinking something. He's the first person to say,
what what's on all of our minds and just kind
of let lighten up the mood. And he was he
was the mayor.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Man, he was.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
He was absolutely hilarious. I love you know, he was
a big movie buff. So I love talking. You know,
I what, you know, what's your latest movie recommendation? I
gotta know you know, I always loved just you know,
picking his brain and and you know, getting getting to
the bottom of things. Man, that's that's that's what he was.
He was good at, was just getting to the bottom
of things. So yeah, I it shattered my heart whenever
I saw that that Lonnie asked and and you just
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kind of sitting there with Katie and my wife, and
I was like, you know, that was my that was
my buddy. You know, just kind of has that like
you know, Grandpa presence where you know, just see there
was this infinite wisdom and and you know, willing to
share so much knowledge with you and and just like
you said, unfiltered in a way that nobody else can be.
It just you know, it really kind of shook me
up a way that you you don't see him for
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a while and you wonder just just how well he's doing,
and then when you see something like that, it's like, man,
I just that just that just breaks you. So I'm
praying for Lonnie's family and loved ones, and uh those
are new and close closest because you know, he was
he was a larger than life human being. And I
think everybody in the media world is definitely going to miss.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Him, and Lonnie was. I'm sorry to interrupt, but Lonnie
was so much fun to listen to. I'd catch him
up in Wheelers having brakfast sir. Yeah, just a blast
to listen to with that crowd, along with Oscar Combs.
And the last I saw Lonnie was back in the spring,
and it was a a week week and a half
after Mark Pope had been hired. And I think some
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of you all know that there is a striking resemblance
between myself and Mark Pope, and I'd shaved my beard
and this had gone on at Wheelers and people thought
I was Mark Pope sitting there with Lonnie and Oscar Combs,
and Lonnie gave me this look. And Lonnie and I
really didn't know each other that well, but he kind
of gave me a look like, man, I'm not getting
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involved in this. And he was finished and he walked out.
But that's just kind of the old wisdom Lonnie possessed
about him and always enjoyed his work one hundred percent.
So again, thoughts and prayers to Lonnie's family. He was
a blessing to the media here in Lexington.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Rest in Paradise. Loney Demri Well.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The reason we all here is talk sports, specifically typically
UK sports, and unfortunately, our football caps went down to
Gainesville laid an egg to the tune of twenty points.
We did score twenty points, but unfortunately Florida scored forty
eight points. And we also had another game this weekend
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that Jack Pilgrim took privilege of and kept us updated
through social media that our basketball team is now one
in one due to elam ending sixty seven to sixty six.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
The White team lost to the Blue team.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I will start with our football team because I've been
catching a lot of flack for supporting our team and
saying where we have turned the corner and that we
have the right athletes, we have the right coaches in
most positions, and this is a really good team. I
started the season, I'm thinking this is a really good team.
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I do at this point still think this is a
really good team. I just do not think it is
put together very well. I do not think the coaches
are helping them players. I don't think the players are
helping themselves. I don't have any more support for the team.
Not I'm not saying that I don't believe in the
team because I always believe in the players, because I
believe that the players have their best interests at hand,
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whether it's individually or team wise. They don't want to
embarrass themselves, they don't want to embarrass their names, they
don't want to embarrass their families. But there are no
more solutions. The execution isn't there, the play calling isn't there,
the focus isn't there, the dedication to winning isn't there.
I blame the coaches, I blame the players, I blame everybody.
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So all of you who have been saying, well, this
team isn't that, I'm not gonna say I'm with you
because I do not believe anybody has given up or everybody.
I don't think everybody should be subjected to how bad
this team looks. There could be several players on the
team that are given forth after, and if you watch film,
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you will see that one out of eleven, two out
of eleven players are doing that, three out of eleven
players are doing they're supposed to, And I don't think
they deserve criticism for the way the team looks. But
as a whole, as a product, this team has underwhelmed,
has underperformed, has underachieved.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I'm not to.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
The point where we're calling for a coach's job or
any of the position coaches jobs or anything like that.
But I do hear you now, I do hear you,
and I've heard you before. I just still have faith
in humanity and that these guys are going to turn
things around. They were gonna get focused, they were going
to put forth the effort. They were going to do
the things they needed to do to be successful. Whether
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that shows up on the stat sheet or not. But
in Gainesville it did not stow up on It did
not show up on the stat sheet nor on the field.
So you showed me who you are. My grandma always
told me, somebody show you who you are believing Larry Vaught,
do you believe them or I were have to stop light.
Did you jump off the bandwagon or you're still on
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the bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's hard to be on the bandwagon if you're trying
to be honest about the football team right now, they
just have a lot of deficiencies and things that just
make you shake your head and you wonder what the
heck is going on, from strategy to individual players here,
like Alex Zafari after the game talking about we just
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didn't we just don't carry out our assignments. We just
got to concentrate on assignments. And he was a guy
that played fairly well, and he's talking about as a whole,
they just don't carry out their assignments. How can you
be seven games into the season and an SEC on
an SEC team and oball have one of your players
and we just don't carry out our assignments. That's why
we've been here in the last couple of weeks after
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the losses and then what really stunned me though Anthony
was listening to Mark Stoops talk and I'm pretty sure
every coach was pretty much in agreement. This was the
most talented and the deepest team that Mark Stoops has
had since he got to Kentucky coming into this season,
and then last night to hear Mark Stoops talk about
the Kentucky with this team was at a point that
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it had to play. I think his quote was pretty
darn near perfect football to win. How could you have
your deepest, most talented team and you have to play
near perfect football every game to have a change to win.
When we were told that this was a team that
might be good enough to challenge anybody in the SEC
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this year as a complete reversal from what we were
hearing going into the season, and it just makes you
shake your head and think, well, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Florida,
what is going on with this group right now? They
just don't seem to be playing together focus very smart.
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I mean, I don't know. Last night, they just got overpowered.
I mean Florida. This was a much more physical football team,
which is the exact opposite has been in the last
three years against Florida. And it's just kind of hard
to figure out. And I will say that one of
your your statements Lace week is resonating because I'm sure
you saw away how many people are asking you how
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many wheels were left on the bus?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Wills and the bus go round and round.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Jack Pilgrim, get yourself prepared, man, because we come back
from break. I need you to help me out because
we running out of wheels. We'll be back after this.
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Speaker 6 (13:26):
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Speaker 1 (13:31):
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Speaker 3 (13:40):
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the Big Ass Fan hot Lines. Uh, when we get
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to Jack Pilgrim really quickly, well not really quickly, however
quickly he wants to be Jack Pilgrim. Uh, I don't
know if Larry vaults on the bus he dies the
question he was? He gave me a John Caliperry answer.
He answered would he wanted to answer? But are you?
Are you still on the bus? And how do you
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feel about this team at this point in the performance
last night?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Oh? You you bring up a touch a name because
I kind of feel like we're trending that direction with
with cal and and just the the you support him
and you root for him, and you know that he
means well, and you know you know that he's taken
this program to successes that you know you don't you
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want to relive over and over and over again, recreate
however possible, same exact situation where that last year it
just it just felt so tense and so something's got
to give here, you know. You you get that vibe
watching watching them and hearing them and and and it
just does kind of feel like we're trending that same
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direction of Man, I don't know how this gets fixed.
I don't know how you you know, what he could
say to you know, turn this fan base around and
get them to buy back in Like that was kind
of the feel of, you know, after the Oakland loss
and in the instab A tournament where we just kind
of said, you know, do I do I think he's
capable of taking this team back to a final four?
I don't know, maybe, but can he say anything to
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this fan base to let make them believe that he's
truly capable of bringing them back to a final four?
That I I just I just don't know. And last
night when you heard Stoops talk and say, you know,
I'm not defeated. You know, I'm I'm let down, but
I'm not defeated, and you know, just trying to say, oh,
you know, it's a long season and trying to just
kind of rally the troops back it. It did just
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kind of have that same Ah, I'm just not buying it.
I'm just not hearing it anymore. And if I'm feeling that,
I know that ninety five percent of the fan base
probably steals something similar. Maybe not you know, ready to
jump off the vandwagon entirely, but still just very uneasy.
You know, we talked last week that firing him.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Is not happening.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I mean, the buyout at forty four million dollars is
just not happening. But do we get to a point
where you know, he Tony Bennett's himself and says, you know,
this is just too much for me. You know, we
talk about the pony up, and we talk about the
money in nil and how stressed he is and the
family history with health, and like, is this something that
he truly wants moving forward? Things like that what happened
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last night are going to trend towards the no category
of this is not something that he wants to try
to sustain the long term. And so I don't know,
it's kind of this weird position of you want this
thing to get turned around, but you just kind of
see the riding on the wall that maybe this era
of Kentucky football is coming to an end. And you know,
it's kind of bittersweet because this has just been just
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remarkable highs. But it just does feel like there's a
plateau in a way that I just don't know where
they where they you know, keep building off of, keep
building upon.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Sorry, I have my mic off. Well he is alluded
to or not alluded to, directly say it that this
this football program and the coaching staff may be off
to a different start, off into a different direction. Of
basketball team is off to a new start under Mark Pope.
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And as I stated earlier, elim ending had the Blue
team winning, which typically happens. But let's get back to
the phone lines and hear some good news from a
good guy, a great American, John Short, You a great American?
What do you got for us?
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Kate Americans? Was not a good game last night.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It was not a Jim Dandy of a game at all,
John Short, I know.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
We went about faded by Tim Piggins. This is coming
to Saturday and a volleyball game today? Is it televised
or not?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Volleyball is it?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Does not say if they're televised, I'm assuming they're not.
Is that Alabama at three o'clock? It does not have
a station listed, Larry Vaughd. Do you know otherwise it
doesn't have a station listed.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I thought it was that SEC Network Plus, but I
am not positive about that.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It is not stating that on the UK's website. So
if that is the case.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well then maybe it's not rare games.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's not, so you may not be able to check
it out. And both we can't catch it on radio either,
I'm assuming because they don't have radio on there either. Well,
John Short, you're just gonna have to keep up with
Larry Vaughd. I'm sure Larry vadd has connections that can
keep you up to date.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Me for a goal long time, we need, we need,
we don't need to go well, yeah, we need to
say get a long time.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Even if he keeps trending in the same direction you
want to, he needs to stay around. You know, they
wanted John Caler Perry gun once he started trending in
the wrong direction.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yep, and Cam he did good here for fifteen years.
He did he did good here.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
So you want to give Mark Stews fifteen years? Dan Austin.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
But how long you want to say, because retirement age
when RUGS coach was seventy. Now, like you have seven coaches,
but the best when he was he was coaching basketball,
retirement age was the seventy.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Mark Steus's well, he's a little young. I did not
know that. I didn't know coaches had a retirement age.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Yep, that's that's what it was. Yeah, I don't know
about now. That was back then.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
All right, John Short, we appreciate your car, and hopefully
we can cover that Auburn score that you gave us
ten Biggins uh next week when we face Auburn right
here and Lextingka Tucky. I appreciate you, John Short, Larry
Vaught do well, we got to go to break that
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is true. Thank you for the help. Larry Vaugh. When
we come back, I got a question for you, because
I know you friends with the program and everybody wants
Mark students going.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I want to know how you feel about that. We'll
be back after this.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
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Speaker 6 (20:30):
This is the Home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Welcome back, Stockyards Bank, Sunday one in Sports Talk. I'm
Anthony White along with Larry Vault and Jack Pilgrim. This
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talk a little bit of football, but we're going to
change over the basketball a little bit just because.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Hang on, is Skinner's winners like Leonard's losers? I mean,
just on the opposite And who's Leonard? Oh, you don't know.
You don't know about Leonard's losers? I do not Larry.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Larry knows who they are.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Larry's old enough to know.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Everybody knows who Leonard's losers are. Man, that was a
weekly fixture. You couldn't miss Leonard's Losers.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I don't associate myself with losers, Larry Vaugh.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't associate myself with losers.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, he was really picking winners. He just called it
Leonard's losers to be different.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Interesting, So I'm gonna start doing White's winners there, how
about that?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'm shocked though that, Anthony. He's old us to know
that I am too.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I disappointed. I live under a rock. No you don't,
I do, I do? I do? Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Before we get back to the phone lines, if you
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Speaker 3 (22:34):
Larry Vaught? Before we went to break.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And we do have the phone lines lit up, and
I do want to get Jack to tell us a
little bit about the Blue and White scrimmage before we
go to that. People are asking for.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Now, I do kind of get the fill with Jackson.
I do kind of get the feel that I had
with Cal. It was good for the goose, is good
for the gander. I do think the feeling I have
for Cal I don't want to be biased and say
I don't have that feeling for Mark Stoops, but I
do feel like the luster may.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Be rubbing off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So when the fans, I'm not calling for his head.
I'm not certain I was calling for Cali Perry's head
all I just asked for Cali Perry. Let us know
what you're gonna do to change the direction of this ship,
Like how we're gonna write this, Like how are we
gonna come in the next season with a belief?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Not you just saying, Hey, we're gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We're gonna we're gonna put ten players in the NBA,
So Stoops, we can't have you tones we're gonna get ten, eleven, twelve,
fight for the SEC championship. If we are losing four
games out of seven at this point, I kind of won't.
I kind of want an action plan. I kind of
need an action plan to see where we're gonna get there.
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So I'm not is he on the hot seat? And
are you just because you've been around so long longer
than Jack and I that you coaches come and go
and reason they've come and gone. Is he starting to
get into the conversation of time.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Maybe up.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Absolutely, he's on the hot seat. When you're making over
nine million dollars a year and your team is three
and four and seems to be trending the wrong way
the last couple of years, I think absolutely you have
to be on the hot seat. And again, Mark preached
big expectations and this team just has not delivered. And
part of it's been there's been a lot of things
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you scratched your head about with the coaching. To me,
it goes all the way back to bringing back Eric Woolford.
I mean I haven't changed on that. I mean I've
talked about that before the season started that I just
didn't think that was a great move chemistry wise, no
matter how many times it was explained to me. When
somebody walks out on you the way that he did
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and you bring me send a great message. But that's
new here to there. But again, this team just has
not seemed to be in sync from start to finish
of this season. Maybe they overestimated the talent of some players,
maybe they underestimated the talent of others, but for whatever reason,
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they just aren't great as a team. They haven't been bad,
but they just have been really good. I mean, I
still think against South Carolina, which is a lack of effort.
It seemed to me against Vanderbilt was just a lack
of focus and discipline, and last night it was just
a lack of You just got your butt knocked around
by a team. It was more physical than use what
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it looked to me like for most of the game.
And I know this is the case with you. I
never thought there'd be any offense in the country that
could roll up three hundred yards on that half. Yet
Florida made looked pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, you're talking about true freshmen, and I was a
true freshman at one point, Larry vaugh and I didn't
really belong on the field in the SEC with those guys,
even if I was scratching Cloria. You're talking about a
running back twenty two carries, one hundred and twelve yards,
Larry Sinko touchdowns. Then he got a true freshman DJ
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Lagway seven or fourteen. Five of those seven five of
those seven passes were over forty yards.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Larry Vaught, so Kentucky said four I think four past
plays of forty plus yards for the season. For the
season he had and he had average almost forty yards
of completion last night, only seven completions.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, that is true. That is true. There's something I
don't know. We're gonna get into that as the show
goes on. I want to get Jack's thoughts on and
he kind of alluded to or he kind of spoke
about it earlier when we talked about Cali Perry answer
that you gave it, Caliperry answer.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Then we're gonna get to the phone lines.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But Jack Pilgrim, how hot is the seat that Mark
Steops is sitting on.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It's tricky, I mean, and again, I just don't know
how much social mediassage boards and just the online presence
of fans, uh it, you know, kind of relates to
the in person and just kind of the the you know,
is it a vocal minority or is that the true
pulse of the fan base, Because if you were to
just look on online and what the vibe is on
on students, I mean, they they they couldn't want a
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guy out more. I mean, they're they're just they're just
over it. And uh so, I don't know, you always
want to kind of give the benefit of the doubt
and and see that okay, uh and that That was
kind of where we were coming from last week when
we talked about you know, when you set an expectation
of you know, winning seven games is worthy of you know,
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contract extensions and massive bonuses year after year. You know,
these automatic built in things. It kind of it it
allows you to you know, get comfortable and set and
it is, you know, what what we expect to come
come after year after year. It doesn't it doesn't cause
you to you know, force you to drive for eight, nine, ten,
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eleven playoff, you know, Atlanta. When you know that you're
you know, your your contract is so comfortable as is,
you know, you don't you don't need to kind.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Of deal with the.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You know, continue continuing to knock down barriers and keep
pushing forward and all those things. So feel like a
guy that is very comfortable hitting that seven win mark
saying you guys, remember where it was before I got here,
Go find better, do better? You know it just it
does just kind of have that that that comfortable feel
that I don't know how you get rid of. And
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and you know, so to say that he's on a
hot seat or you know whatever, what does that even mean?
Because I think again, he's going to have to leave
onder the his choosing. I don't think that Barheart would
ever fire him and in his forty four million dollar buyout.
I think that's a big issue and we need to
stop giving these unbelievable contracts to just make it impossible
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to get out of them and moving forward. But it's
going to have to be on on his own accord,
and I just don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
He could be.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
You know, I was talking to a booster about cal
And and said, you know, if cal really wanted him,
he could have stayed and said fire me, get you know,
get get rid of me. If you really hate hate
me that bad, you know, get get rid of me.
His ego wouldn't let him, you know, do that. And
he wanted a you know, new fresh start and you know,
new a new audience to kind of hear his stuff,
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and and it works really well for him at Arkansas.
But you know, you could see a scenario where the
U you know, Chip Chippy redhead from from Youngstown wouldn't
want that, and he would he would want to just
kind of guns and force force for you know, force
you to force him out. So I don't know, it
could get really, really tricky where I don't know how
to even gauge a hot seat debate knowing that just
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a flat out forty four million dollars buyout and firing
is just not on the table.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I'm with Jack Pigram. I think the University of can
Tucky is attractive enough. And it kind of seems like
that that good looking girl who doesn't have enough self
confidence just because more attractive than her, but the world
sees her. And I got an eye for women, Larry Vattz.
So if I think you're a good looking I see
more into it than you see in yourself, and I
will bring that out of you given the opportunity. But
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I'm saying the University of Kentucky is it that we
have a great fan base, We have a great city,
I mean the universe. I mean, we stay up to
date on our facilities. I mean it is a place
to be. I'm Jack Pilgrim has hit the nail on
the head. That is gonna be the last year we
need to stop giving these coaches. Please stay with me
paychecks now. Just look, you're gonna be happy here. We're
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gonna give you a nice day's allowance. Do your job.
We're gonna pay you with your worth.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Just do that.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
We don't need to pay you in advance for you
to stay here, tying you down.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I know football, it kind of seems otherwise, But whether
you want to agree with it or not, football is
that this is not a that is honest as a
player and just as a fan of this university. It
is not a destination. So whatever coach you get here
is gonna be here until something better comes if you
want to pay them to stay here. And then, as
Jack Pilgrim said, you get comfortable and now you're just
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paying somebody to clean your house and you come home
and there's still beer cans laying around, old pizza boxes.
Well you have to deal with that, or you can
clean them, or you have to pay them to leave,
because you guarantee them that you're gonna pay them throughout
the year. So that is good. Hey, Jack, you you
brought something on to us. So let's get to the
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phone lines and see what a man Larry has to say. Larry,
I know you are you've been skeptical. Whe're your skepticism
at now with this team?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Are you owner? You off?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Well? I tell you you know you had all the
teams he should have done passed. I mean, he lets
go in an upset of Texas or somebody. But I
tell you what, you know thing about this? You know
to Kentucky. You know, it's like I look around, I
see Indiana bring a new coach in. He's sitting on
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far and was just a flash of night and wo
of them deals and everything worked out? Or is he
actually got a coach and Vanderbilt gout speak them and
of course they beat us with a quarterback and this
guy here was a backup quarterback, which the same old
story back up quarterbacks every go guys. And they had
to sort with kids hurting, all them kids hurting. It's like,
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you know, I don't know where the kids who just
gave up or just Mark Soups. I listened to his
show after the game, and he kind of just didn't
like all that upset. He act like I ain't gonna tried,
and this and that and this and that and and
instead of saying, you know, we just o go do better.
That's that's about the thing You're gonna get out. We
gotta do better, you know, you know what I mean?
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I just what do you do you all think it's
gonna be a decent crowd there next after the North
w starts getting cold. You know, trying to get to
a bowl game, to me is the most impossible now
and anyway, these bowl games. Here's the way on the
bowl games. If you go to a minor bowl game
and you know your kids set out and you're not
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there to win the games, I don't know why that
he made we'd even want to go anymore. You know
when kids opt out now too so and you know
it's so you know, this this program, I feel like
to me that that it's got Mississippi State, Kentucky probably.
I hate to say this Olahome looks like that right
now at the bottom of us. But you know, we
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were supposed to being ahead of these guys start colligning
all them and I just don't know. I think we
slipped down from the ladder and it's gonna take I
don't know what they can do take to climb back
up this thing. I don't know, guys, you know, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Thanks for the call, Larry. We'll throw a couple of
those things around. We do got to head to break.
When we come back from break, we will try to
figure out what the crowd it's gonna look like against Auburn,
and talk about the Blue and White game after that.
We'll be back after this year. Listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning sports talking.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
This is the home of the Wildcats. Six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Lose Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday wanting sports talk. I'm Anthony
White along with the great Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim
was KSR talking UK football. At this point, We're gonna
talk about the blue and White game. I like big car.
Big car looks nice, fluid. I don't know what it
looks like on the defensive end because that was only
a scrimmage. But I like a couple of these players,
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Like a couple of these players had a little clankty start.
We're gonna talk about that on the next hour, so
get your basketball caps ready. On the next hour, we're
gonna talk about the Blue and White game before we
lose our man, Jack Pilgrim, but we.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Still have our man.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Jack and Larry from Levinon did bring up a pretty
good question, what is the audience gonna look like.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
A against Auburn our next home game? Uh? Jack pilgrim.
You is the fan base gonna show up and show
out or.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Or no, Oh, that's a that's a really tricky question.
I don't, man, I couldn't tell you honestly. H they
you know, Auburn is so down and and I like
seeing some of the Auburn beat writers and people right,
hold on.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Auburn is only two and five, but they played a
damn good game against Missouri yesterday. They they ran out
of steam at the end the sixth and one Missouri
sixth and one. It's crazy nineteenth in the country.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, their schedule stinks and yeah, but all things considered,
Auburn is it's it's a stink ball and and the
Auburn fans have have kind of, you know, have gone
out of their way to say a football game will
be played in Lexington. No promises on what that's going
to look like exactly, but you know, you won't. The
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fan base always shows out and we deal with the
that record and wondering how you're two and ten in
your last twelve in those matchups. So I don't know,
you know, does the fan base rally behind this one
and say, oh, this is a winnable one, let's kind
of get back on the right track. Some fans will
go in with that mindset. Others will say, I'm tired
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of spending my hard armed money to go watch this
team lose games like the home record against that team.
So I don't know how they're going to respond to that,
especially given the losing strength that they're on and just
the kind of lack of momentum that the program has
as a whole. So I don't know. It could be
kind of a mixed bag. Wouldn't be shocked if it's
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you know, the most passionate diehards are definitely there, loud
and proud to kind of just keep keep building, keep
trying to rally behind this team or around this team.
But I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the
you know, some of the them start tuning out. Unfortunately,
I hate, I hate when this happens, but uh, the
first exhibition basketball game is on Wednesday, and it is
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kind of a time when the people that are just
absolute casuals do just kind of decide to tune out
and say that that you know, they're they're ready for
basketball season, So uh, be prepared to hear a lot
of that noise this week.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Especially Larry got about thirty second when Larry Vaut the
fan base, fan base, I applaud you off you have.
Fans have done their part, Larry Vaut, good or bad,
they have done their part. They've been there and they
showed up and showed out. Is there any way for
the for the program to give something back to the
fans instead of asking them for something all the time
because they've been doing their part.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Be nice seeing win a damn home SEC game is
Kroger Field. That's one way they could get back. So
they could start doing that. But the fan base will
show up, I don't think it'll be quite as passionate
and as enthusiastic as it has been for some of
the other home games. I think the older fan base
has been through this before, so they've had to come
after disappointing losses. The younger fan base, it may not
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show out quite as strong this week because they've not
been used to this.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Darn millennials. I like you all.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
You guys are passionate about your beliefs and if you want,
if you UK wants got to do something. Like Larry said,
we'll be back after this you're listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday
morning sports talk on news radio six thirty WLAP
Welcome in Stockyards Bank Sunday one of Sports Stop. I
am Anthony White, along with the great Larry Vaught and
young Jack Pilgrim of Kassar, coming to you from Clark's
Main Street Market Studios and beautiful downtown Lexington, Kentucky. The
weather's great here. The team made it back safely, and
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I as soon we're going to be rendering therapy this morning,
but sun rose this morning, and I'm glad to be
here before we get the show started. I don't I
know we had a basketball season. I guess it's officially
tipped off because they started practicing the Salt scrimmage. But
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in the meanwhile, in the middle of the week, while
I was doing my podcast on Wednesday, I got some
terrible news. Larry Vaught, a good friend end of mine
and yours. I think you were coworkers at some point
had passed away. And before we get the show started
or get off to rumbling and other things, that is
at the top of my mind, and I wanted to
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I just wanted to say, I think, Nie Dimri, we'll
be truly missed. And I'm almost certain that you echo
that sentiment.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, Lonnie had already been missed for about the last
year since he's followed a UK football game toward the
end of last season and then discovering that he had
cancer and had been battling that, and just one of
the best guys you could ever meet. Nobody loved Kentucky
football and high school football more than Lonnie. I was
probably at more high school events with Lonnie the UK games,
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maybe if I went back and counted them all up,
which is one reason we got to be such good friends.
We'd see each other at a lot of high school
events we were out at on Friday nights. And also
about Lonnie was a terrific guy. I always had a smile,
always had an opinion. I always looked for the positive
and anything he was doing. That's one thing I really
admired about Lonnie. And he was eighty three years old,
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but I just thought he would live forever. He was
just one of those guys I never imagined would not
be here. So it's a very very difficult night, and
as you said, just just rest in peace to Lonnie
and prayers to his family.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's funny said that great women's basketball player coach at
GRC Women's or GRC women's team Erica Jackson, former UK player.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Also we were talking about that. She said, how is Lonnie?
I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He's looked the same age as long as I've known him,
and I've known him for about thirty years, and he
just always looked the same age.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, And one reason I loved Lonnie so much. He
was worse a technology than me.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now that now, that doesn't that does not surprise me.
I've seen, you know, people have updated the way they
record audio, and you know, the press conferences and things.
He always just was old school with him. Man, he
still walked around a pencil and pad.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
It was. It's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Indeed, if you didn't know Lonnie, if you've ever been
listening to a UK press conference and you heard the
phone ring, I would almost guarantee you it was Lonnie's
phone went off in the press conference. You never figured
out how to turn it off or put it on,
or how to put it on silent or anything like that.
So but but again, everybody just loved Lonnie and you
just knew that was what was gonna was gonna happen.
And he just was a unique individual. And I don't
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really think I know anybody that didn't like.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Lonnie Demri, Jack Pilgrim, I'll say this about Lonnie and
some over the years, I've questioned my demeanor in the
media game, just because sometime being too honest and being
too uh unfiltered can cost you can cast your reputation,
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can cost you a job, and sometimes people don't like it,
and then there's a group of people who do.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Like Lonnie was always the one would come to me, not.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you really think, and uh like, I don't
know because I was, but he was somebody I didn't
really have to worry about going back to the media saying, well,
Anthony White said this, But that is how we became close,
because we would have off the record conversations about things
that people really didn't talk about in media. But he
would be the ones I'm sure you've been in press
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conferences with him, Jack, that will ask a question and the.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Coaches always there was always probably one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
One press conference a year, at least one press conference
a year Lonnie would ask something that the coach and
look at him and scratch her head and they would
answer it just because it was Lonnie. So I don't
know how much time you've ever spent with him, or
if you've had any experiences with Lonnie yourself.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Jack, Yeah, y'all are making me laugh over here with
the phone going off and about it technologies.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That was my.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Experience with Lonnie, just laughing it just the nonsense and
you know this like little you know, elementary school kids
giggling at games or whatever. You know, stuff would happen.
I would love, you know, he was. He was the mayor,
the football mayor. But I got to see all these
Kentucky basketball games with him, and you know, anytime cal
would do something ridiculous or you know you'd see you know,
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a player do something, do something stupid, whatever the case was,
he was the first one to kind of throw that
quip out there, the first person to kind of, you know,
ease the tension in the room when we're you know,
we're all thinking something. He's the first person to say,
what what's on all of our minds and just kind
of let lighten up the mood. And he was he
was the mayor.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Man, he was.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
He was absolutely hilarious. I love you know, he was
a big movie buff. So I love talking. You know,
I what, you know, what's your latest movie recommendation? I
gotta know you know, I always loved just you know,
picking his brain and and you know, getting getting to
the bottom of things. Man, that's that's that's what he was.
He was good at, was just getting to the bottom
of things. So yeah, I it shattered my heart whenever
I saw that that Lonnie asked and and you just
(06:01):
kind of sitting there with Katie and my wife, and
I was like, you know, that was my that was
my buddy. You know, just kind of has that like
you know, Grandpa presence where you know, just see there
was this infinite wisdom and and you know, willing to
share so much knowledge with you and and just like
you said, unfiltered in a way that nobody else can be.
It just you know, it really kind of shook me
up a way that you you don't see him for
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a while and you wonder just just how well he's doing,
and then when you see something like that, it's like, man,
I just that just that just breaks you. So I'm
praying for Lonnie's family and loved ones, and uh those
are new and close closest because you know, he was
he was a larger than life human being. And I
think everybody in the media world is definitely going to miss.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Him, and Lonnie was. I'm sorry to interrupt, but Lonnie
was so much fun to listen to. I'd catch him
up in Wheelers having brakfast sir. Yeah, just a blast
to listen to with that crowd, along with Oscar Combs.
And the last I saw Lonnie was back in the spring,
and it was a a week week and a half
after Mark Pope had been hired. And I think some
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of you all know that there is a striking resemblance
between myself and Mark Pope, and I'd shaved my beard
and this had gone on at Wheelers and people thought
I was Mark Pope sitting there with Lonnie and Oscar Combs,
and Lonnie gave me this look. And Lonnie and I
really didn't know each other that well, but he kind
of gave me a look like, man, I'm not getting
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involved in this. And he was finished and he walked out.
But that's just kind of the old wisdom Lonnie possessed
about him and always enjoyed his work one hundred percent.
So again, thoughts and prayers to Lonnie's family. He was
a blessing to the media here in Lexington.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Rest in Paradise. Loney Demri Well.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The reason we all here is talk sports, specifically typically
UK sports, and unfortunately, our football caps went down to
Gainesville laid an egg to the tune of twenty points.
We did score twenty points, but unfortunately Florida scored forty
eight points. And we also had another game this weekend
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that Jack Pilgrim took privilege of and kept us updated
through social media that our basketball team is now one
in one due to elam ending sixty seven to sixty six.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
The White team lost to the Blue team.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I will start with our football team because I've been
catching a lot of flack for supporting our team and
saying where we have turned the corner and that we
have the right athletes, we have the right coaches in
most positions, and this is a really good team. I
started the season, I'm thinking this is a really good team.
(08:52):
I do at this point still think this is a
really good team. I just do not think it is
put together very well. I do not think the coaches
are helping them players. I don't think the players are
helping themselves. I don't have any more support for the team.
Not I'm not saying that I don't believe in the
team because I always believe in the players, because I
believe that the players have their best interests at hand,
(09:12):
whether it's individually or team wise. They don't want to
embarrass themselves, they don't want to embarrass their names, they
don't want to embarrass their families. But there are no
more solutions. The execution isn't there, the play calling isn't there,
the focus isn't there, the dedication to winning isn't there.
I blame the coaches, I blame the players, I blame everybody.
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So all of you who have been saying, well, this
team isn't that, I'm not gonna say I'm with you
because I do not believe anybody has given up or everybody.
I don't think everybody should be subjected to how bad
this team looks. There could be several players on the
team that are given forth after, and if you watch film,
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you will see that one out of eleven, two out
of eleven players are doing that, three out of eleven
players are doing they're supposed to, And I don't think
they deserve criticism for the way the team looks. But
as a whole, as a product, this team has underwhelmed,
has underperformed, has underachieved.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I'm not to.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
The point where we're calling for a coach's job or
any of the position coaches jobs or anything like that.
But I do hear you now, I do hear you,
and I've heard you before. I just still have faith
in humanity and that these guys are going to turn
things around. They were gonna get focused, they were going
to put forth the effort. They were going to do
the things they needed to do to be successful. Whether
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that shows up on the stat sheet or not. But
in Gainesville it did not stow up on It did
not show up on the stat sheet nor on the field.
So you showed me who you are. My grandma always
told me, somebody show you who you are believing Larry Vaught,
do you believe them or I were have to stop light.
Did you jump off the bandwagon or you're still on
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the bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's hard to be on the bandwagon if you're trying
to be honest about the football team right now, they
just have a lot of deficiencies and things that just
make you shake your head and you wonder what the
heck is going on, from strategy to individual players here,
like Alex Zafari after the game talking about we just
(11:20):
didn't we just don't carry out our assignments. We just
got to concentrate on assignments. And he was a guy
that played fairly well, and he's talking about as a whole,
they just don't carry out their assignments. How can you
be seven games into the season and an SEC on
an SEC team and oball have one of your players
and we just don't carry out our assignments. That's why
we've been here in the last couple of weeks after
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the losses and then what really stunned me though Anthony
was listening to Mark Stoops talk and I'm pretty sure
every coach was pretty much in agreement. This was the
most talented and the deepest team that Mark Stoops has
had since he got to Kentucky coming into this season,
and then last night to hear Mark Stoops talk about
the Kentucky with this team was at a point that
(12:05):
it had to play. I think his quote was pretty
darn near perfect football to win. How could you have
your deepest, most talented team and you have to play
near perfect football every game to have a change to win.
When we were told that this was a team that
might be good enough to challenge anybody in the SEC
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this year as a complete reversal from what we were
hearing going into the season, and it just makes you
shake your head and think, well, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Florida,
what is going on with this group right now? They
just don't seem to be playing together focus very smart.
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I mean, I don't know. Last night, they just got overpowered.
I mean Florida. This was a much more physical football team,
which is the exact opposite has been in the last
three years against Florida. And it's just kind of hard
to figure out. And I will say that one of
your your statements Lace week is resonating because I'm sure
you saw away how many people are asking you how
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many wheels were left on the bus?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Wills and the bus go round and round.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Jack Pilgrim, get yourself prepared, man, because we come back
from break. I need you to help me out because
we running out of wheels. We'll be back after this.
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to Jack Pilgrim really quickly, well not really quickly, however
quickly he wants to be Jack Pilgrim. Uh, I don't
know if Larry vaults on the bus he dies the
question he was? He gave me a John Caliperry answer.
He answered would he wanted to answer? But are you?
Are you still on the bus? And how do you
(14:24):
feel about this team at this point in the performance
last night?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Oh? You you bring up a touch a name because
I kind of feel like we're trending that direction with
with cal and and just the the you support him
and you root for him, and you know that he
means well, and you know you know that he's taken
this program to successes that you know you don't you
(14:51):
want to relive over and over and over again, recreate
however possible, same exact situation where that last year it
just it just felt so tense and so something's got
to give here, you know. You you get that vibe
watching watching them and hearing them and and and it
just does kind of feel like we're trending that same
(15:13):
direction of Man, I don't know how this gets fixed.
I don't know how you you know, what he could
say to you know, turn this fan base around and
get them to buy back in Like that was kind
of the feel of, you know, after the Oakland loss
and in the instab A tournament where we just kind
of said, you know, do I do I think he's
capable of taking this team back to a final four?
I don't know, maybe, but can he say anything to
(15:36):
this fan base to let make them believe that he's
truly capable of bringing them back to a final four?
That I I just I just don't know. And last
night when you heard Stoops talk and say, you know,
I'm not defeated. You know, I'm I'm let down, but
I'm not defeated, and you know, just trying to say, oh,
you know, it's a long season and trying to just
kind of rally the troops back it. It did just
(15:57):
kind of have that same Ah, I'm just not buying it.
I'm just not hearing it anymore. And if I'm feeling that,
I know that ninety five percent of the fan base
probably steals something similar. Maybe not you know, ready to
jump off the vandwagon entirely, but still just very uneasy.
You know, we talked last week that firing him.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Is not happening.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I mean, the buyout at forty four million dollars is
just not happening. But do we get to a point
where you know, he Tony Bennett's himself and says, you know,
this is just too much for me. You know, we
talk about the pony up, and we talk about the
money in nil and how stressed he is and the
family history with health, and like, is this something that
he truly wants moving forward? Things like that what happened
(16:40):
last night are going to trend towards the no category
of this is not something that he wants to try
to sustain the long term. And so I don't know,
it's kind of this weird position of you want this
thing to get turned around, but you just kind of
see the riding on the wall that maybe this era
of Kentucky football is coming to an end. And you know,
it's kind of bittersweet because this has just been just
(17:03):
remarkable highs. But it just does feel like there's a
plateau in a way that I just don't know where
they where they you know, keep building off of, keep
building upon.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Sorry, I have my mic off. Well he is alluded
to or not alluded to, directly say it that this
this football program and the coaching staff may be off
to a different start, off into a different direction. Of
basketball team is off to a new start under Mark Pope.
(17:37):
And as I stated earlier, elim ending had the Blue
team winning, which typically happens. But let's get back to
the phone lines and hear some good news from a
good guy, a great American, John Short, You a great American?
What do you got for us?
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Kate Americans? Was not a good game last night.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It was not a Jim Dandy of a game at all,
John Short, I know.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
We went about faded by Tim Piggins. This is coming
to Saturday and a volleyball game today? Is it televised
or not?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Volleyball is it?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Does not say if they're televised, I'm assuming they're not.
Is that Alabama at three o'clock? It does not have
a station listed, Larry Vaughd. Do you know otherwise it
doesn't have a station listed.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I thought it was that SEC Network Plus, but I
am not positive about that.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It is not stating that on the UK's website. So
if that is the case.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well then maybe it's not rare games.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's not, so you may not be able to check
it out. And both we can't catch it on radio either,
I'm assuming because they don't have radio on there either. Well,
John Short, you're just gonna have to keep up with
Larry Vaughd. I'm sure Larry vadd has connections that can
keep you up to date.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Me for a goal long time, we need, we need,
we don't need to go well, yeah, we need to
say get a long time.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Even if he keeps trending in the same direction you
want to, he needs to stay around. You know, they
wanted John Caler Perry gun once he started trending in
the wrong direction.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yep, and Cam he did good here for fifteen years.
He did he did good here.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
So you want to give Mark Stews fifteen years? Dan Austin.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
But how long you want to say, because retirement age
when RUGS coach was seventy. Now, like you have seven coaches,
but the best when he was he was coaching basketball,
retirement age was the seventy.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Mark Steus's well, he's a little young. I did not
know that. I didn't know coaches had a retirement age.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Yep, that's that's what it was. Yeah, I don't know
about now. That was back then.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
All right, John Short, we appreciate your car, and hopefully
we can cover that Auburn score that you gave us
ten Biggins uh next week when we face Auburn right
here and Lextingka Tucky. I appreciate you, John Short, Larry
Vaught do well, we got to go to break that
(20:14):
is true. Thank you for the help. Larry Vaugh. When
we come back, I got a question for you, because
I know you friends with the program and everybody wants
Mark students going.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I want to know how you feel about that. We'll
be back after this.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You're listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday winning sports talk on
news radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
This is the Home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Welcome back, Stockyards Bank, Sunday one in Sports Talk. I'm
Anthony White along with Larry Vault and Jack Pilgrim. This
our Sunday morning sports talk is brought to you by
a Country Boy Brewing. And we got a little correction
for you all who want to watch our UK volleyball team,
Skinners Winners down in Tuscaloosa against the Alabama Rolling Tide
(21:00):
at three pm. You can catch it on SEC plus network.
It was brought to us by one of our faithful listeners,
David Curry. Looked it up on the app SDC plus.
You can catch the Cats, number fifteen Cats against Alabama
at three pm. But right now we are continuing to
(21:20):
talk a little bit of football, but we're going to
change over the basketball a little bit just because.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Hang on, is Skinner's winners like Leonard's losers? I mean,
just on the opposite And who's Leonard? Oh, you don't know.
You don't know about Leonard's losers? I do not Larry.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Larry knows who they are.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Larry's old enough to know.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Everybody knows who Leonard's losers are. Man, that was a
weekly fixture. You couldn't miss Leonard's Losers.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I don't associate myself with losers, Larry Vaugh.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't associate myself with losers.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, he was really picking winners. He just called it
Leonard's losers to be different.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Interesting, So I'm gonna start doing White's winners there, how
about that?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'm shocked though that, Anthony. He's old us to know
that I am too.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I disappointed. I live under a rock. No you don't,
I do, I do? I do? Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Before we get back to the phone lines, if you
like to join the show eight five to nine eight eight,
Wait a minute, what is eight five nine eight two
zero two two eight seven two eight zero eight five
nine two eight zero two two eight seven a five
nine two eight zero cats?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Larry Vaught? Before we went to break.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And we do have the phone lines lit up, and
I do want to get Jack to tell us a
little bit about the Blue and White scrimmage before we
go to that. People are asking for.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Now, I do kind of get the fill with Jackson.
I do kind of get the feel that I had
with Cal. It was good for the goose, is good
for the gander. I do think the feeling I have
for Cal I don't want to be biased and say
I don't have that feeling for Mark Stoops, but I
do feel like the luster may.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Be rubbing off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So when the fans, I'm not calling for his head.
I'm not certain I was calling for Cali Perry's head
all I just asked for Cali Perry. Let us know
what you're gonna do to change the direction of this ship,
Like how we're gonna write this, Like how are we
gonna come in the next season with a belief?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Not you just saying, Hey, we're gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We're gonna we're gonna put ten players in the NBA,
So Stoops, we can't have you tones we're gonna get ten, eleven, twelve,
fight for the SEC championship. If we are losing four
games out of seven at this point, I kind of won't.
I kind of want an action plan. I kind of
need an action plan to see where we're gonna get there.
(23:51):
So I'm not is he on the hot seat? And
are you just because you've been around so long longer
than Jack and I that you coaches come and go
and reason they've come and gone. Is he starting to
get into the conversation of time.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Maybe up.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Absolutely, he's on the hot seat. When you're making over
nine million dollars a year and your team is three
and four and seems to be trending the wrong way
the last couple of years, I think absolutely you have
to be on the hot seat. And again, Mark preached
big expectations and this team just has not delivered. And
part of it's been there's been a lot of things
(24:29):
you scratched your head about with the coaching. To me,
it goes all the way back to bringing back Eric Woolford.
I mean I haven't changed on that. I mean I've
talked about that before the season started that I just
didn't think that was a great move chemistry wise, no
matter how many times it was explained to me. When
somebody walks out on you the way that he did
(24:50):
and you bring me send a great message. But that's
new here to there. But again, this team just has
not seemed to be in sync from start to finish
of this season. Maybe they overestimated the talent of some players,
maybe they underestimated the talent of others, but for whatever reason,
(25:12):
they just aren't great as a team. They haven't been bad,
but they just have been really good. I mean, I
still think against South Carolina, which is a lack of effort.
It seemed to me against Vanderbilt was just a lack
of focus and discipline, and last night it was just
a lack of You just got your butt knocked around
by a team. It was more physical than use what
(25:34):
it looked to me like for most of the game.
And I know this is the case with you. I
never thought there'd be any offense in the country that
could roll up three hundred yards on that half. Yet
Florida made looked pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, you're talking about true freshmen, and I was a
true freshman at one point, Larry vaugh and I didn't
really belong on the field in the SEC with those guys,
even if I was scratching Cloria. You're talking about a
running back twenty two carries, one hundred and twelve yards,
Larry Sinko touchdowns. Then he got a true freshman DJ
(26:08):
Lagway seven or fourteen. Five of those seven five of
those seven passes were over forty yards.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Larry Vaught, so Kentucky said four I think four past
plays of forty plus yards for the season. For the
season he had and he had average almost forty yards
of completion last night, only seven completions.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, that is true. That is true. There's something I
don't know. We're gonna get into that as the show
goes on. I want to get Jack's thoughts on and
he kind of alluded to or he kind of spoke
about it earlier when we talked about Cali Perry answer
that you gave it, Caliperry answer.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Then we're gonna get to the phone lines.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But Jack Pilgrim, how hot is the seat that Mark
Steops is sitting on.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It's tricky, I mean, and again, I just don't know
how much social mediassage boards and just the online presence
of fans, uh it, you know, kind of relates to
the in person and just kind of the the you know,
is it a vocal minority or is that the true
pulse of the fan base, Because if you were to
just look on online and what the vibe is on
on students, I mean, they they they couldn't want a
(27:22):
guy out more. I mean, they're they're just they're just
over it. And uh so, I don't know, you always
want to kind of give the benefit of the doubt
and and see that okay, uh and that That was
kind of where we were coming from last week when
we talked about you know, when you set an expectation
of you know, winning seven games is worthy of you know,
(27:44):
contract extensions and massive bonuses year after year. You know,
these automatic built in things. It kind of it it
allows you to you know, get comfortable and set and
it is, you know, what what we expect to come
come after year after year. It doesn't it doesn't cause
you to you know, force you to drive for eight, nine, ten,
(28:06):
eleven playoff, you know, Atlanta. When you know that you're
you know, your your contract is so comfortable as is,
you know, you don't you don't need to kind.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Of deal with the.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You know, continue continuing to knock down barriers and keep
pushing forward and all those things. So feel like a
guy that is very comfortable hitting that seven win mark
saying you guys, remember where it was before I got here,
Go find better, do better? You know it just it
does just kind of have that that that comfortable feel
that I don't know how you get rid of. And
(28:39):
and you know, so to say that he's on a
hot seat or you know whatever, what does that even mean?
Because I think again, he's going to have to leave
onder the his choosing. I don't think that Barheart would
ever fire him and in his forty four million dollar buyout.
I think that's a big issue and we need to
stop giving these unbelievable contracts to just make it impossible
(29:01):
to get out of them and moving forward. But it's
going to have to be on on his own accord,
and I just don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
He could be.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
You know, I was talking to a booster about cal
And and said, you know, if cal really wanted him,
he could have stayed and said fire me, get you know,
get get rid of me. If you really hate hate
me that bad, you know, get get rid of me.
His ego wouldn't let him, you know, do that. And
he wanted a you know, new fresh start and you know,
new a new audience to kind of hear his stuff,
(29:30):
and and it works really well for him at Arkansas.
But you know, you could see a scenario where the
U you know, Chip Chippy redhead from from Youngstown wouldn't
want that, and he would he would want to just
kind of guns and force force for you know, force
you to force him out. So I don't know, it
could get really, really tricky where I don't know how
to even gauge a hot seat debate knowing that just
(29:52):
a flat out forty four million dollars buyout and firing
is just not on the table.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I'm with Jack Pigram. I think the University of can
Tucky is attractive enough. And it kind of seems like
that that good looking girl who doesn't have enough self
confidence just because more attractive than her, but the world
sees her. And I got an eye for women, Larry Vattz.
So if I think you're a good looking I see
more into it than you see in yourself, and I
will bring that out of you given the opportunity. But
(30:20):
I'm saying the University of Kentucky is it that we
have a great fan base, We have a great city,
I mean the universe. I mean, we stay up to
date on our facilities. I mean it is a place
to be. I'm Jack Pilgrim has hit the nail on
the head. That is gonna be the last year we
need to stop giving these coaches. Please stay with me
paychecks now. Just look, you're gonna be happy here. We're
(30:41):
gonna give you a nice day's allowance. Do your job.
We're gonna pay you with your worth.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Just do that.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
We don't need to pay you in advance for you
to stay here, tying you down.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I know football, it kind of seems otherwise, But whether
you want to agree with it or not, football is
that this is not a that is honest as a
player and just as a fan of this university. It
is not a destination. So whatever coach you get here
is gonna be here until something better comes if you
want to pay them to stay here. And then, as
Jack Pilgrim said, you get comfortable and now you're just
(31:13):
paying somebody to clean your house and you come home
and there's still beer cans laying around, old pizza boxes.
Well you have to deal with that, or you can
clean them, or you have to pay them to leave,
because you guarantee them that you're gonna pay them throughout
the year. So that is good. Hey, Jack, you you
brought something on to us. So let's get to the
(31:33):
phone lines and see what a man Larry has to say. Larry,
I know you are you've been skeptical. Whe're your skepticism
at now with this team?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Are you owner? You off?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Well? I tell you you know you had all the
teams he should have done passed. I mean, he lets
go in an upset of Texas or somebody. But I
tell you what, you know thing about this? You know
to Kentucky. You know, it's like I look around, I
see Indiana bring a new coach in. He's sitting on
(32:09):
far and was just a flash of night and wo
of them deals and everything worked out? Or is he
actually got a coach and Vanderbilt gout speak them and
of course they beat us with a quarterback and this
guy here was a backup quarterback, which the same old
story back up quarterbacks every go guys. And they had
to sort with kids hurting, all them kids hurting. It's like,
(32:32):
you know, I don't know where the kids who just
gave up or just Mark Soups. I listened to his
show after the game, and he kind of just didn't
like all that upset. He act like I ain't gonna tried,
and this and that and this and that and and
instead of saying, you know, we just o go do better.
That's that's about the thing You're gonna get out. We
gotta do better, you know, you know what I mean?
(32:54):
I just what do you do you all think it's
gonna be a decent crowd there next after the North
w starts getting cold. You know, trying to get to
a bowl game, to me is the most impossible now
and anyway, these bowl games. Here's the way on the
bowl games. If you go to a minor bowl game
and you know your kids set out and you're not
(33:16):
there to win the games, I don't know why that
he made we'd even want to go anymore. You know
when kids opt out now too so and you know
it's so you know, this this program, I feel like
to me that that it's got Mississippi State, Kentucky probably.
I hate to say this Olahome looks like that right
now at the bottom of us. But you know, we
(33:38):
were supposed to being ahead of these guys start colligning
all them and I just don't know. I think we
slipped down from the ladder and it's gonna take I
don't know what they can do take to climb back
up this thing. I don't know, guys, you know, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Thanks for the call, Larry. We'll throw a couple of
those things around. We do got to head to break.
When we come back from break, we will try to
figure out what the crowd it's gonna look like against Auburn,
and talk about the Blue and White game after that.
We'll be back after this year. Listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning sports talking.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
This is the home of the Wildcats. Six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Lose Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday wanting sports talk. I'm Anthony
White along with the great Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim
was KSR talking UK football. At this point, We're gonna
talk about the blue and White game. I like big car.
Big car looks nice, fluid. I don't know what it
looks like on the defensive end because that was only
a scrimmage. But I like a couple of these players,
(34:38):
Like a couple of these players had a little clankty start.
We're gonna talk about that on the next hour, so
get your basketball caps ready. On the next hour, we're
gonna talk about the Blue and White game before we
lose our man, Jack Pilgrim, but we.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Still have our man.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Jack and Larry from Levinon did bring up a pretty
good question, what is the audience gonna look like.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
A against Auburn our next home game? Uh? Jack pilgrim.
You is the fan base gonna show up and show
out or.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Or no, Oh, that's a that's a really tricky question.
I don't, man, I couldn't tell you honestly. H they
you know, Auburn is so down and and I like
seeing some of the Auburn beat writers and people right,
hold on.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Auburn is only two and five, but they played a
damn good game against Missouri yesterday. They they ran out
of steam at the end the sixth and one Missouri
sixth and one. It's crazy nineteenth in the country.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, their schedule stinks and yeah, but all things considered,
Auburn is it's it's a stink ball and and the
Auburn fans have have kind of, you know, have gone
out of their way to say a football game will
be played in Lexington. No promises on what that's going
to look like exactly, but you know, you won't. The
(36:07):
fan base always shows out and we deal with the
that record and wondering how you're two and ten in
your last twelve in those matchups. So I don't know,
you know, does the fan base rally behind this one
and say, oh, this is a winnable one, let's kind
of get back on the right track. Some fans will
go in with that mindset. Others will say, I'm tired
(36:29):
of spending my hard armed money to go watch this
team lose games like the home record against that team.
So I don't know how they're going to respond to that,
especially given the losing strength that they're on and just
the kind of lack of momentum that the program has
as a whole. So I don't know. It could be
kind of a mixed bag. Wouldn't be shocked if it's
(36:51):
you know, the most passionate diehards are definitely there, loud
and proud to kind of just keep keep building, keep
trying to rally behind this team or around this team.
But I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the
you know, some of the them start tuning out. Unfortunately,
I hate, I hate when this happens, but uh, the
first exhibition basketball game is on Wednesday, and it is
(37:11):
kind of a time when the people that are just
absolute casuals do just kind of decide to tune out
and say that that you know, they're they're ready for
basketball season, So uh, be prepared to hear a lot
of that noise this week.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Especially Larry got about thirty second when Larry Vaut the
fan base, fan base, I applaud you off you have.
Fans have done their part, Larry Vaut, good or bad,
they have done their part. They've been there and they
showed up and showed out. Is there any way for
the for the program to give something back to the
fans instead of asking them for something all the time
because they've been doing their part.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Be nice seeing win a damn home SEC game is
Kroger Field. That's one way they could get back. So
they could start doing that. But the fan base will
show up, I don't think it'll be quite as passionate
and as enthusiastic as it has been for some of
the other home games. I think the older fan base
has been through this before, so they've had to come
after disappointing losses. The younger fan base, it may not
(38:11):
show out quite as strong this week because they've not
been used to this.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Darn millennials. I like you all.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
You guys are passionate about your beliefs and if you want,
if you UK wants got to do something. Like Larry said,
we'll be back after this you're listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday
morning sports talk on news radio six thirty WLAP
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