April 16, 2024 • 36 mins
Trump trial, Day 2. Will judge jail Trump for contempt? CNN says Clay should be prosecuted for a felony for suggesting a Trump juror should refuse to convict in an obviously unjust show trial. Callers on how a former president would be incarcerated.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in, Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Boy, Chaos, Chaos, Chaos. I feel like that could be
the story that we begin with for the next six
months as we move closer to November fifth, the Trump
trial underway. So all of you know I have not
yet been arrested. If you missed yesterday show, CNN says
that I've committed felonies and should be arrested. Maybe we'll
(00:28):
play that audio for you a little bit later in
the program, but I want to update you with everything
that's going on right now, which is I would say
remarkably chaotic, even with the Trump standard of chaos that
often applies. So let me give you like a rundown
of what is transpiring as we speak. Julie Kelly is
(00:49):
going to join us at one thirty eastern right now.
The Supreme Court is hearing a case on whether or
not half of the charges that Jack Smith brought related
to January sixth on Donald Trump can be applied or
not to his actions on that day. And this gets
(01:09):
into the weeds a little bit, and we will be
talking about this in detail with her. But you may
have heard us discussing it for some time. Essentially, prosecutors
tried to use a corporate statute that was passed as
a part of Sarbanes Oxley that was designed to restrict
corporate governance malfeasans, and they are trying to use that
(01:33):
to apply it to people who walked into the Capitol
on January sixth by saying that they were obstructing an
official proceeding. And the Court is having to analyze whether
or not that has been appropriately applied to the January
sixth defendants. An early spoiler alert this morning, Buck, I
was listening and reading about that argument. I don't think
(01:56):
this is going to be close. I think it's going
to be at least three that they cannot use these statutes,
and it may go all the way out to potentially
some of the liberal justices as well, who have evinced
a great deal of skepticism. Also, we'll get Julie Kelly's
read have you seen this? I mean, I think if
(02:17):
they were to go seven to two or something in
that magnitude to strike this down, it would be a
huge blow to Jack Smith and all of the Democrats
that have tried to use this January sixth statute.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Well, I also think that it goes into a larger framework,
a bigger it's evidence in a bigger trial, if you will,
that how many times can they try to use the
law against Trump and they have to get slapped down?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
You look at all the different prosecutors, all the different
efforts to destroy Trump that we are finding the system
itself is saying is outrageous, meaning they've tried to abuse
the system to destroy Trump. And then people have had
to step in at the Supreme Court level, for example,
and say, guys, what are you doing. That's not constitutional,
(03:07):
that's not lawful. And the best example is the nine
to zero of what Colorado was trying to do. And
then Maine dabbled in for a second of removing Trump
from the ballot. To be very clear, the most left
wing justices I think in the history of the Supreme Court, okay,
and certainly the most among the most anti Trump judges
(03:29):
you'll find anywhere went along with the majority and that
they said, guys, you can't just say we think he
did a thing that hasn't been proven in court, and
we're going to remove him from the ballot and he
can't be president. He can't do that, right, I mean,
you're effectively overriding federal elections. Clay, if this happens now
to your point about the Supreme Court argument this morning,
if that gets struck down, they will have abused another
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statute to pile up against not just Trump but his supporters.
Their abuse isn't just a matter of opinion, and their
abuse of the law is becoming increasingly a matter of
fact over and over again.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And this is also important they are trying now. This
has just happened. The prosecutors have filed emotion to hold
Trump in contempt for violating the gag order that was
put on place in place for him in the Manhattan
criminal trial. Trump has already weighed in this morning, and
(04:27):
I listened and I was like, wow, this is what
he said outside of the courtroom as we were as
he entered this morning.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So this is a couple of hours ago. I think. Now, listen,
we have a judge who shouldn't be on this case.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
He's totally conflicted.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But this is a.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Trial that should never happen. You should have been thrown
out a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
If you look at a job at the jar, Andy
regard all great legal skys is not one that we've
been able to find that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Said this should be a trial right now in Pennsylvania
and far in many other states. North Camp, JUGI campaign
this is all coming from the bite White House because
they guy can't put two sentences together. You can't campaign
maybe A using this in order to try and win
an election, and it's not.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Working that way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's working the opposite.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Wayer Okay, So that is Trump this morning. He also
posted on truth right before he went into the courtroom. Buck,
this conflicted Trump hating judge won't let me respond to
people that are on TV lying and spewing hate all
day long. He's running roughshod over my lawyers and legal team.
(05:41):
The New York system of quotation marks justice is being
decimated by critics from all over the world. I want
to speak or at least be able to respond. Election interference, rigged,
unconstitutional trial. Take off the gag order. Now, Buck, here's
my question for you. Are they gonna put them in
(06:02):
jail over this? Because I think that's where this is headed.
I think this judge wants Trump in jail for VIAT
for contempt. And I don't think it's crazy to think
it's gonna happen. I think Trump may want it to happen.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well, this is there are some parts of this that
are legal analysis and parts of this that become very
obviously political analysis, and I know they're intertwined as well.
I know we get this question all the time, and
it's funny because I don't know anybody who has an
answer to it. How do you incarcerate somebody who has
lifetime twenty four to seven Secret Service protected. We started
(06:36):
asking this years ago. Yeah, we've been looking at this
for a long time now. There is precedent for you know,
taking taking a person and putting them in I think
they call it administrative administrative segregation where you know, for example,
if a cop gets put in like state prison, they
sometimes will move because you know, maybe.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They need a protective custody basically different to the other
members of the of the jail.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, and you could do something like that, but you
would have to have Secret Service, like I think Trump might.
This is I understand, this is crazy. Can I just
preface this. I know what we're saying here is crazy,
but we're in a crazy time everyone. I think there's
a situation where maybe they would because if they hold
him in contempt.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
What he's going to be forty eight hours or something, right,
I thinen him in cuffs and they walk, they purple walk.
That's what I said. That's the question.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
They want to break, the seal they want to establish,
just like remember the brag trial was the first one
to bring an indictment, which I always thought was significant
because yeah, it was flimsy, but they knew that there
was no process by which it would likely be overturned
or stopped in New York. So they wanted to set
the precedent, and all the omens came in Clay, I
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think they could put him. I think they think, I'll
put it that way. They think they could end up
putting him in and administer great. By the way, if
we have somebody from like Bureau of Prisons or you know,
New York State Bureau of Prisons, or just in general,
let us know if you think there is some precedent.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
My sense is they would have to shut down.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Like a wing of a holding facility, and then there
have to be secret service there to protect him. But
he'd have to be inside of a cell for a
couple of days, and that's what they would That's what
they would. They can't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean that the New York State can't say you
no longer have Secret Service protection. They can't do that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Okay, So that leads to the which is crazy. There
aren't a lot of precedents for this, Okay, there's no president,
like there's no I mean, there are precedents for famous
people being held in contempt of court. Never someone would
secret Service protection. They never a former and likely future
president of the United States though. So here is my
(08:53):
question for you. Then, as a part of that, is
this Trump as I've used this anound because I remember
growing up watching it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do you know brer Rabbit at Allbuck? Do you remember
the Braer Rabbit stories?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No, ok, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I don't know what percentage of people out there will
remember this. I'm in Georgia, by the way, which is
where I think that Joeld Chandler Harris Breer Rabbit stories originated.
They were later made into cartoons, all this stuff Breer Rabbit,
and before they decided that Splash Mountain was racist at
Disney World, Breer Rabbit was the star of Splash Mountain.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
If any of you have been on the Splash Mountain.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Ride at Disney, Okay, Breer Rabbit would always say, don't
throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do, don't
throw me in the briar patch. Is Donald Trump daring
marchand this judge, as well as the larger Democrat party
apparatus to put him in jail, because in the same
(09:55):
way that the mugshot was a huge benefit to Trump,
is him getting put in jail for contempt of court
a huge political win for him? Leave aside the legal
for right now.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I do think so, especially especially on this because even
people who are casual observers.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of the news, which is most people, because most.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
People are you know, we have a hyper attuned and
informed audience most of America. As much as I love America,
people have other things that don't watch the news, even
if you or watch much of the news, and they
get their news from bad places.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
In a lot of play, in a lot of context too.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think that the that Donald Trump in a cell,
the reason being he was held in contempt by a judge,
the reason being he's speaking out against a trial that
has to do with a business administrative accounting error. That's
all this is that is what we're talking about here.
(10:55):
I think that any normal person who has not been
just steeped in Trump arrangement syndrome would say to that,
this is this, we can't have this in our country.
And I think that's why the polls are all showing
what they're showing right now.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Clay, That's that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, and this is why. I mean, look, you things
cut through. I think what you said is a good
a good point. What percentage of people do you think
have seen the Trump mugshot photo? What percentage of American voters?
One hundred percent. I think it's almost impossible that you
would not have seen the Trump mug shot h picture,
even if you're not paying attention to the news on
(11:30):
a day to day basis.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I mean, I think if you can name the current
vice president, you've seen the mugshot photo, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Like, I think if you have a.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Photo they canname the vice president, I think it's almost
one hundred percent of voters would have seen that photo.
My point is almost one hundred percent of voters. I'm
saying voters because you know, forty percent of people are
not voting. I think almost one hundred percent of voters
will see if Trump is arrested. They may not pay
attention to the results of the trial. They may not
be following on a day to day basis like we are.
(12:00):
And to me, I think it's highly likely that it
would work to his favor. And I wonder how much
political calculus in the same way. We've talked for a
long time now, ever since the raid on mar Lago
in what August of twenty two, we have said there's
a two tier story here, the legal and the political,
and they're intertwined in a way that we've never seen before.
(12:21):
Something can me smart legally and really poor decision politically,
and vice versa. And also I think something to remember
about where the Democrats are and the anti Trump machinery.
They thought all along that these trials, that these prosecutions
would destroy Donald Trump. They have no choice but to
see all of this through. To withdraw all of it
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at this point, or to withdraw all the efforts to say,
all right, you know, the elections coming up, we're going
to defer. Delay would be essentially to admit that they
had made some political calculation error. So they have to
go all the way with this, And I think that
in New York. What you're seeing is if they brought
this trial and I'm gonna say, I mean they they
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did this to Trump's uh Trump Incorporate, you know, corporation
accountant Alan Weiselberg, who's gone to prison, and they just
sent to Peter Navarro, uh to prison. He's serving a
sentence right now for not testifying to Congress because he's
associated with Trump. If they did this to anyone, Clay,
it would be an outrage. That they're doing it to
the person who is leading in the presidential nomination contest
(13:27):
right now according to every single polling company in the
United States is It's outrageous beyond words. But they have
what are they going to do? They won't stop, so
they're going to see this all the way through. I
don't know I see a way around it. I mean
I think that and and locking Trump up.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Please, if you're from if you if you worked in prisons,
and you have some idea of how they could do this,
I don't even know what would they do? How would
this go? Let us know, because I'd be very curious
to hear it. I think the only answer is if
they would have have to have the Secret Service come
in clear a wing, shut down the wing, and it
(14:04):
would almost be like you remember when Pablo Escobar got
to build his own prison, kind of be a little
bit like that, because like your guys would be running
the thing, and uh, nobody would really be.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Also, Buck, he has to be in court, so I
don't even know how they can jail him, because the
judge is already said that he has to be present
in court, even if it means that he misses his
son's graduation potentially, So if he gets put in court,
it further delays the process of the trial. I mean,
it's put in jail, it further delays the process of
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the trial.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I just I don't even know. I this is fascinating.
I don't even know how this plays out.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But yeah, to your point eight hundred two A two
two eight eight two, if you have some theory, based
on your knowledge of the New York court system, what
this would be like or how it would work, I would.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Actually be be fascinated to hear.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna we're gonna dive into this, and I think, uh,
I mean it's gonna. The thing is, I just want
to prepare all of you it's gonna get crazier.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's gonna get crazier. Ye have not seen peak crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
We're just touching the tip of the iceberg right now
of the crazy that's coming.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That is correct, Yes, all right? Eight hundred two A
two two eight a two.
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Making Sense in an Insane World. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
We're talking about the start of Trump trial number one
in New York City.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We'll get into it.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Plus Clay ruffling some feathers talking about the jury pool
situation yesterday. I'm just waiting for the video on Truth
Social It's gonna be like Trump beautiful Clay Travis. They've
locked him up. It's horrible, horrible what they're doing to Clay.
He just wants good patriots to be on the jury.
And all of a sudden, now they're saying, Clay, you're
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having moldy bread, just moldy bread, not the beautiful Boloney
sandwiches and mountain dew that he usually eats.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's coming.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That's pretty good. I don't think they have mountain dew.
I don't think they have Crockett coffee in prison. I'm
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show all right in addition to all of the other
chaos that is out there. Last night CNN, as part
of their featured primetime programming I haven't even heard this audio.
They pulled it on the team. They said that I
(19:18):
committed a felony. I don't know if they want to
be prosecuted or not, but this is legitimately what they
were saying on CNN last night. I haven't heard this.
I don't think bucks heard it. Let's all listen and
we'll see whether or not I'm going to be in
a handcuff soon.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Do everything you can to get seated on the jury
and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle,
doing the case via hung jury, it's the most patriotic
thing you could do.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
It speaks to the perversion of patriotism that's come from
some of those in that wing.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
The most patriot thing you can do is to do
your duty as a jurist.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
First and foremost. It's not the first person to ever
argue for jury nullification. That being said, I think was
a poor choice of words, but I think again it
is illustrating in some ways the frustration that is in
many ways across the place.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Look, it's more than a portrait. Why supports it also
would be a felony to encourage people to lie again
on a jury.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
I would agree that again, you cannot be telling people
to willfully go into a courtroom and break the law.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Even if it benefits you politically.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Okay, hold on, hold on, Hold.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
On a second.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
At no point it's crazy we're even talking to this,
but we're gonna talk.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
This was CNN's main debate.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
By the way, Buck, this is the first time I
think they've talked about me on CNN since my ban
for saying the First Amendment boob. So in some way,
I don't know if the ban is lifted, if they're
doing entire segments discussing what I've said, But I'll let
you react to it.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
No, it's just there's for the whole thing is crazy.
This is all First Amendment territory. But beyond that, clearly
you didn't say lie that you know, no one's saying
lie under oath to a judge.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I certainly didn't say willfully lie either, So they just
made it. I mean they literally read the tweet and
then lied about what I said in the tweet.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Right, And also know that that's just a fancy way
of saying you don't believe that the prosecution is just,
and I mean any juror has the right to say that.
I don't believe this is a just prosecution. I will
not convict. I don't even care what the evidence is.
That is that that is why we have trial by jury,
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because human beings get to make these decisions.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
They're not robots.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
They don't just take the instructions from the prosecutor and
don't think about things. And it's amazing to me that
we just had we had, as I said, oj you
know passed away last week, and you've all these people saying.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh, that's what the system deserves.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, the system should have let a wife abusing, narcissistic
psychopath cut two people's heads off because he was having
a bad day. That really, that really taught a lesson
to all the all the racism in the system. It
was an unbelievably stupid argument that a lot of people
somehow bought into the argument that an entirely unjust prosecution
of a presidential candidate should be met with a with jurors.
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By the way, I think all the jurors should find
him not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
How about that we saw to.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The experience of the case, which has all been out
in the public for years. We're not talking about some
case where we're like, okay, let's sit back and see
what the evidence reflects. Every detail of the stormy Daniel's
allegation has been written about for when did they do
like the sit down interview with Anderson Cooper, like twenty seventeen.
I mean it's been like seven or eight years that
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we've all had the ability six or seven years to
hear everything that she said.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I mean, fundamentally, what they what they are presenting is
not something that any reasonable person would say should take.
It should be a thing that can take away a
person's freedom. Okay, having your lawyers say this is like
a fee and not a payoff to somebody or whatever
(22:47):
is not something that somebody should get. Who is the victim?
What is the damage? That is the fundamental question that
cannot be answered. The victim is the public's right to know. Well,
if the public has a right to know, because it's
a campaign expense, as I've said all along, then you
could use you could use campaign dollars to pay off anybody.
I mean, that's that's crazy. That can't work. There's a
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reason why the John Edwards prosecution fell apart and why
they didn't bring it again because you know, you get
into this area where like, well, what are we really
saying here? What are the expectations and who is harmed
in all of this. Also, Clay Trump is, as we know,
worth billions of dollars. We're having this conversation over what
is one hundred and thirty grand? Yes, I mean, I
know for like you know, I remember when I had
(23:30):
five hundred dollars in my bank account. I've been working
for ten years.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I get it. One hundred and thirty grand can be
a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's not a lot of money to Trump though, in
the kind of world we're talking about here, where you're
looking at presidents and people who are operating at the
level of influence, and the notion of one hundred and
thirty grand this is this is couch cushion money.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
But I also I would want to ask that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
CNN panel, so is the America they want to live
in one in which people are no longer allowed to
opine over what they believe is an unjust prosecution. What
does the whole be a movement about They're assuming the
innocence of people who have been shot by police, in
some cases, continuing to pretend that they are innocent, even
after a court has found that or an investigation or
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both that they are in fact criminals who were shot
by police as in the case of Mike Brown, he
was a criminal shot attacking a police officer, committing a
crime in the act, and committed to crime before that
act as well. But they still lie about all hands up,
don't shoot. Oh it was all did you see what
I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Like they they wanted that officer, Darren Wilson to go
to prison. So that's okay. This this whole thing is nuts.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You can't weigh in on what you think the justice
of a prosecution is. You don't live in a free
society anymore at all, if that is the new rule,
and all of that is true, and I am one
hundred percent confident that I didn't break any law. Having
said that, we're living in such a banana republic that
Alvin Bragg has lost all concepts of traditional justice. I mean,
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when he's charging a marine on the subway for trying
to protect people, and when he's trying to put Trump
in prison over a bookkeeping error that he's elevating after
the statute of limitations has expired, by the way, from
a misdemeanor to a felony that I don't think legally
is tenable. Remember this, in order to be elevated to
(25:21):
a felony. This book keeping misdemeanor has to be tied
to another crime. They still haven't specified, to my knowledge,
which crime they're tying it to. All of this is
so crazy, But I don't know that Alvin Bragg and
Democrats right now could do something where.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I would say, I truly can't believe they're doing this.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So I think there's a zero percent chance that I
have legally done anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They're crazy, Like if.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Something crazy happens, just you've got to request that Trump
become your bunkmate, if both of you get sent to
the Big House.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I could see it now.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
It'd be like Klay Travis, great American seca football, very knowledgeable,
wants top punk.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Problem problem with top punk? Trump gets top punk really funny.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I think I would do well with Trump as a
as a cell mate. I think we would probably get
along fairly. I think we'd have a lot in common.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I could do way.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Worse, right, So I just can you believe that CNN
legitimately last night, Buck argued that they want me charged
with a felony for questioning the legitimacy of the charges
that have been brought against Trump and for saying that
I hope that there is someone out there that will
actually apply the law and their common sense and make
(26:38):
a rational decision on this case. But by the way, Buck,
they've already had fifty plus jurors say they couldn't be impartial,
and they're already gone.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Who has not already made up their mind on this case? Right?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
How would you live in New York not know the
Stormy Daniels story, not know everything about Trump? I just
if this year we're actually going to a pattern, It's
really difficult. An important point we have just unfortunately, there's
been an abandoning of a reality, which is Trump can't
get Trump can't get a fair trial in New York.
But they bring it in New York because they know
(27:11):
the system there is going the who is watching the watchers,
Who does he appeal to?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
What is the higher authority? It's all Democrats, all New
York Democrats who are in them. They destroy Trump phenomenon.
That's why they brought this right because and you know
they tried this thing in Atlanta too. They want to
get it out of the federal system because they know
ultimately in the federal system it can always end up
in the Supreme Court. And that's what's happened already a
(27:37):
number of times right in New York. Unless there's some
constitutional issue at large, a New York jury being unfair
and crappy, New York judges being lunatic Democrats, new York
appeals courts hating Trump, that's not really reviewable by the
Supreme Court unless there's a specific issue that they're you know,
you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
So it's harder to get state issues into the Supreme
Court than it is federal issues into the Supreme Court,
because you have to have a peg of a federal
issue that you make in a state court.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yes, and so they get to control the whole ecosystem.
The entire New York judicial ecosystem is anti Trump. They
know it. They're not even getting a venue changed, you know,
So we're it's already baked into the system. Of course,
Trump can't get a fair trial in New York City,
and they don't want him to get a fair trial,
which is why they're bringing this case in the first place.
(28:27):
None of this is about justice or fairness.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's why I'm not troubled.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I wish we could have the same jury pool in
South Florida because it's roughly fifty to fifty. It's a
fifty to fifty America. The jury pool should be fifty
to fifty of Americans if we were actually going to
have an honest accounting of this entire case as opposed
to a rigged left wing jury pool. I mean, I
just think that you if there's one Trump voter on
(28:53):
that jury, I can't imagine that Trump voter would see
this and say, yeah, I think that he committed this
crime that isn't even really a crime, right, So that's
I think that they're gonna have it a difficult The
only thing that I could see is they try to
just bully and maybe it's a couple of Trump owters.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
They try to bully that one person into going along
with this. But I don't think you can say we
talked about being held in contempt. What if he gets
found guilty. I think there's a there's a distinct possibility
that he does get found guilty because people are on
the jury just do what they're told and they hate him,
and then what happens, you know what I mean? So
(29:32):
we have some people by the weighing in on the
actual prison situation, we should get them. Okay, we'll take
some of those calls and we come back eight hundred
and two A two two eight A two. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
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Speaker 4 (30:46):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck rocking a Crockett Coffee
T shirt. Clay yours your arriving at the house today.
By the way, Crocketcoffee dot Com. Everybody go get yourself
some Clay. Enjoy it while you can, because I'm sure
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Speaker 3 (31:04):
Do you think you could get me some Crockett coffee
in the Big House for Trump and I to share
in the cell?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Like, do you think?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Because I think be the inmates, I'm gonna need to
develop some goodwill with the inmates so they don't beat
me up. I'm guessing the average inmate is probably bigger, stronger,
and tougher than me. Just tossing it out there, I
don't think people look at me and they're like, I
don't want to mess with that guy in the in
the food line, So I need something to ingratiate myself.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Some people use cigarettes, you'll use Crocket coffee there, right,
we'll figure out Crocketcoffee dot com.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Over one hundred thousand dollars in coffee sold for true Americans.
It's gonna be really popular in Riker's Island. And we
got a bunch of people by the way about this.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Let's let's take Leon in fair Fayettville, North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Retired correction sergeant. What's going on? Leon?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Hey, how you doing, sir?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Good? Sir? Great, But they have to protect the wings.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Some prisons for police officers, judges and those types that
would be a target for the inmate population. But he
would have to go on protect the custody. But I
couldn't see it because he could be touched. You have
an inmate that, uh, he has to clean up. He
could have chemicals in the mop bucket that he could
mop it.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
They won't think.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Nothing of it.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Next thing you know, he's setting it a fire.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Oh wow, And you got Trump was slocked.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
In the cell.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Uh, hardly gonna how they're gonna protect him.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You got inmates bringing the food and that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's all great points.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Leon, How do you think I would do in prison
if they try to put me in prison, Do you
think I'd be well liked there?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Do you think the guards would like me? How would
you assess my chances?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Because of your politics, I think you'd be mother would think.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
A lot of.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Oh boy, they got so many shanks on the yard.
I don't see how they're gonna protect the president if
he goes in there.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Feels thanks, thank you Leon for calling in for give
us the correction.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
This fields like a stupid sitcom idea.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's like the president has to go to prison and
the Secret Service goes with him, Like, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well, you know, you know when they put Madeoff in prison,
apparently it was now that was a federal prison. Yeah,
what's apparently there's differences between I mean, there's differences what
I'm saying in the I don't know. I'm not a
There are better places to go to serve time than
worse right, and he was not in like a Uh,
you know, Rikers Island would be very very low on
(33:33):
the list of places you would want to go. Rikers
Island is a hellhole. I have a lot of cop friends.
The NYPD are like, you don't want to spend any
time in Rikers Island. But when when Madeoff got sent
to federal prison, there were stories about how a lot
of the inmates were just like respected him because of
because his con was so big, and they they thought
it was like they're like he was, and they also
(33:54):
wanted to know how he did it. So he apparently
made friends in a lot of friends in federal prison.
You never know who's gonna get you know.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
The law degree would probably help me because I could
be a Jeilhouse warrior legitimately.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Uh, and I would Steve and Pensacola Beach.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You were helping to handle Manuel Noriega.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Well, I was in FCI Miami with Lord Conrad Black.
I'm sure you guys know who.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Oh yeah, they put him in there for nonsense. I
forgot about.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, we were cell mates together and so uh Noriega
had his own cell built out across from the pill line.
And so what would happen is is that for high
profile peoples. And I was a former count of commissioner
that was charged with the same thing that Hunter Biden was.
But I went to prison for a year, no questions asked.
(34:48):
But they have you know, in the federal prison, prison's prison,
and Clay you would do all right, but you'd been
a little tough for Shape.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Uh just wait, why do you think I dude, why
do you think I do better in prison than Buck?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What do you think the prison inmates would like me more?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Well, you know at Ginger saying is a tough thing
to cross, and but you know what kills me is
all policies towards prison reform and criminal justice reform is
lost on everything. He is the only one that stepped
up to really try to reform the criminal justice system.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Steve, are you the fact that Clay only has cats
before we throw Ginger under the bus?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Like, I don't know how that does. I got out voted.
I didn't want the cats. I don't know if you
heard that. I don't heard that. Steve just said that
changes things a bit.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Steve, my three kids and my wife, they all argued
during COVID that they needed cats, and I didn't have
the stones to overrule them.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Now, if the inmates say hear the story.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
The flute squad may come after you more for being
part of the feline society. So you know, the Steven Petsicola.
Thank you, sir, Wow, he served with you. Do you
remember the Conrad Black situation they went after him before.
If I remember, I'm going for memory. I don't get
everything right.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I think it was honest services fraud for running which
later on on the Supreme Court. Basically, I think maybe
they took they took it down for his case too,
or they took a look at it as well. I mean,
he got done dirty because it was a conservative media
mogul out of Canada and they just they just wanted
to take him out and they did, and it was
(36:33):
I mean, that sounds like the Conrad Black case. He's
still in prison. No, he served a few years, but
super wealthy, super smart guy, great writer himself actually, and
they locked him up for Scalia ended up saying, if
you can lock somebody up under the statue, you can
lock up a politician for getting a good table at
a restaurant.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
How long did Martha Stewart get Do you think I'd
do better in prison than Martha? No, she's very well organized.
Welcome to today's edition of The Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in, Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Boy, Chaos, Chaos, Chaos. I feel like that could be
the story that we begin with for the next six
months as we move closer to November fifth, the Trump
trial underway. So all of you know I have not
yet been arrested. If you missed yesterday show, CNN says
that I've committed felonies and should be arrested. Maybe we'll
(00:28):
play that audio for you a little bit later in
the program, but I want to update you with everything
that's going on right now, which is I would say
remarkably chaotic, even with the Trump standard of chaos that
often applies. So let me give you like a rundown
of what is transpiring as we speak. Julie Kelly is
(00:49):
going to join us at one thirty eastern right now.
The Supreme Court is hearing a case on whether or
not half of the charges that Jack Smith brought related
to January sixth on Donald Trump can be applied or
not to his actions on that day. And this gets
(01:09):
into the weeds a little bit, and we will be
talking about this in detail with her. But you may
have heard us discussing it for some time. Essentially, prosecutors
tried to use a corporate statute that was passed as
a part of Sarbanes Oxley that was designed to restrict
corporate governance malfeasans, and they are trying to use that
(01:33):
to apply it to people who walked into the Capitol
on January sixth by saying that they were obstructing an
official proceeding. And the Court is having to analyze whether
or not that has been appropriately applied to the January
sixth defendants. An early spoiler alert this morning, Buck, I
was listening and reading about that argument. I don't think
(01:56):
this is going to be close. I think it's going
to be at least three that they cannot use these statutes,
and it may go all the way out to potentially
some of the liberal justices as well, who have evinced
a great deal of skepticism. Also, we'll get Julie Kelly's
read have you seen this? I mean, I think if
(02:17):
they were to go seven to two or something in
that magnitude to strike this down, it would be a
huge blow to Jack Smith and all of the Democrats
that have tried to use this January sixth statute.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Well, I also think that it goes into a larger framework,
a bigger it's evidence in a bigger trial, if you will,
that how many times can they try to use the
law against Trump and they have to get slapped down?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
You look at all the different prosecutors, all the different
efforts to destroy Trump that we are finding the system
itself is saying is outrageous, meaning they've tried to abuse
the system to destroy Trump. And then people have had
to step in at the Supreme Court level, for example,
and say, guys, what are you doing. That's not constitutional,
(03:07):
that's not lawful. And the best example is the nine
to zero of what Colorado was trying to do. And
then Maine dabbled in for a second of removing Trump
from the ballot. To be very clear, the most left
wing justices I think in the history of the Supreme Court, okay,
and certainly the most among the most anti Trump judges
(03:29):
you'll find anywhere went along with the majority and that
they said, guys, you can't just say we think he
did a thing that hasn't been proven in court, and
we're going to remove him from the ballot and he
can't be president. He can't do that, right, I mean,
you're effectively overriding federal elections. Clay, if this happens now
to your point about the Supreme Court argument this morning,
if that gets struck down, they will have abused another
(03:52):
statute to pile up against not just Trump but his supporters.
Their abuse isn't just a matter of opinion, and their
abuse of the law is becoming increasingly a matter of
fact over and over again.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And this is also important they are trying now. This
has just happened. The prosecutors have filed emotion to hold
Trump in contempt for violating the gag order that was
put on place in place for him in the Manhattan
criminal trial. Trump has already weighed in this morning, and
(04:27):
I listened and I was like, wow, this is what
he said outside of the courtroom as we were as
he entered this morning.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So this is a couple of hours ago. I think. Now, listen,
we have a judge who shouldn't be on this case.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
He's totally conflicted.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But this is a.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Trial that should never happen. You should have been thrown
out a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
If you look at a job at the jar, Andy
regard all great legal skys is not one that we've
been able to find that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Said this should be a trial right now in Pennsylvania
and far in many other states. North Camp, JUGI campaign
this is all coming from the bite White House because
they guy can't put two sentences together. You can't campaign
maybe A using this in order to try and win
an election, and it's not.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Working that way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's working the opposite.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Wayer Okay, So that is Trump this morning. He also
posted on truth right before he went into the courtroom. Buck,
this conflicted Trump hating judge won't let me respond to
people that are on TV lying and spewing hate all
day long. He's running roughshod over my lawyers and legal team.
(05:41):
The New York system of quotation marks justice is being
decimated by critics from all over the world. I want
to speak or at least be able to respond. Election interference, rigged,
unconstitutional trial. Take off the gag order. Now, Buck, here's
my question for you. Are they gonna put them in
(06:02):
jail over this? Because I think that's where this is headed.
I think this judge wants Trump in jail for VIAT
for contempt. And I don't think it's crazy to think
it's gonna happen. I think Trump may want it to happen.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well, this is there are some parts of this that
are legal analysis and parts of this that become very
obviously political analysis, and I know they're intertwined as well.
I know we get this question all the time, and
it's funny because I don't know anybody who has an
answer to it. How do you incarcerate somebody who has
lifetime twenty four to seven Secret Service protected. We started
(06:36):
asking this years ago. Yeah, we've been looking at this
for a long time now. There is precedent for you know,
taking taking a person and putting them in I think
they call it administrative administrative segregation where you know, for example,
if a cop gets put in like state prison, they
sometimes will move because you know, maybe.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They need a protective custody basically different to the other
members of the of the jail.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, and you could do something like that, but you
would have to have Secret Service, like I think Trump might.
This is I understand, this is crazy. Can I just
preface this. I know what we're saying here is crazy,
but we're in a crazy time everyone. I think there's
a situation where maybe they would because if they hold
him in contempt.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
What he's going to be forty eight hours or something, right,
I thinen him in cuffs and they walk, they purple walk.
That's what I said. That's the question.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
They want to break, the seal they want to establish,
just like remember the brag trial was the first one
to bring an indictment, which I always thought was significant
because yeah, it was flimsy, but they knew that there
was no process by which it would likely be overturned
or stopped in New York. So they wanted to set
the precedent, and all the omens came in Clay, I
(07:52):
think they could put him. I think they think, I'll
put it that way. They think they could end up
putting him in and administer great. By the way, if
we have somebody from like Bureau of Prisons or you know,
New York State Bureau of Prisons, or just in general,
let us know if you think there is some precedent.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
My sense is they would have to shut down.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Like a wing of a holding facility, and then there
have to be secret service there to protect him. But
he'd have to be inside of a cell for a
couple of days, and that's what they would That's what
they would. They can't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean that the New York State can't say you
no longer have Secret Service protection. They can't do that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Okay, So that leads to the which is crazy. There
aren't a lot of precedents for this, Okay, there's no president,
like there's no I mean, there are precedents for famous
people being held in contempt of court. Never someone would
secret Service protection. They never a former and likely future
president of the United States though. So here is my
(08:53):
question for you. Then, as a part of that, is
this Trump as I've used this anound because I remember
growing up watching it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do you know brer Rabbit at Allbuck? Do you remember
the Braer Rabbit stories?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No, ok, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I don't know what percentage of people out there will
remember this. I'm in Georgia, by the way, which is
where I think that Joeld Chandler Harris Breer Rabbit stories originated.
They were later made into cartoons, all this stuff Breer Rabbit,
and before they decided that Splash Mountain was racist at
Disney World, Breer Rabbit was the star of Splash Mountain.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
If any of you have been on the Splash Mountain.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Ride at Disney, Okay, Breer Rabbit would always say, don't
throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do, don't
throw me in the briar patch. Is Donald Trump daring
marchand this judge, as well as the larger Democrat party
apparatus to put him in jail, because in the same
(09:55):
way that the mugshot was a huge benefit to Trump,
is him getting put in jail for contempt of court
a huge political win for him? Leave aside the legal
for right now.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I do think so, especially especially on this because even
people who are casual observers.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of the news, which is most people, because most.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
People are you know, we have a hyper attuned and
informed audience most of America. As much as I love America,
people have other things that don't watch the news, even
if you or watch much of the news, and they
get their news from bad places.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
In a lot of play, in a lot of context too.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think that the that Donald Trump in a cell,
the reason being he was held in contempt by a judge,
the reason being he's speaking out against a trial that
has to do with a business administrative accounting error. That's
all this is that is what we're talking about here.
(10:55):
I think that any normal person who has not been
just steeped in Trump arrangement syndrome would say to that,
this is this, we can't have this in our country.
And I think that's why the polls are all showing
what they're showing right now.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Clay, That's that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, and this is why. I mean, look, you things
cut through. I think what you said is a good
a good point. What percentage of people do you think
have seen the Trump mugshot photo? What percentage of American voters?
One hundred percent. I think it's almost impossible that you
would not have seen the Trump mug shot h picture,
even if you're not paying attention to the news on
(11:30):
a day to day basis.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I mean, I think if you can name the current
vice president, you've seen the mugshot photo, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Like, I think if you have a.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Photo they canname the vice president, I think it's almost
one hundred percent of voters would have seen that photo.
My point is almost one hundred percent of voters. I'm
saying voters because you know, forty percent of people are
not voting. I think almost one hundred percent of voters
will see if Trump is arrested. They may not pay
attention to the results of the trial. They may not
be following on a day to day basis like we are.
(12:00):
And to me, I think it's highly likely that it
would work to his favor. And I wonder how much
political calculus in the same way. We've talked for a
long time now, ever since the raid on mar Lago
in what August of twenty two, we have said there's
a two tier story here, the legal and the political,
and they're intertwined in a way that we've never seen before.
(12:21):
Something can me smart legally and really poor decision politically,
and vice versa. And also I think something to remember
about where the Democrats are and the anti Trump machinery.
They thought all along that these trials, that these prosecutions
would destroy Donald Trump. They have no choice but to
see all of this through. To withdraw all of it
(12:42):
at this point, or to withdraw all the efforts to say,
all right, you know, the elections coming up, we're going
to defer. Delay would be essentially to admit that they
had made some political calculation error. So they have to
go all the way with this, And I think that
in New York. What you're seeing is if they brought
this trial and I'm gonna say, I mean they they
(13:05):
did this to Trump's uh Trump Incorporate, you know, corporation
accountant Alan Weiselberg, who's gone to prison, and they just
sent to Peter Navarro, uh to prison. He's serving a
sentence right now for not testifying to Congress because he's
associated with Trump. If they did this to anyone, Clay,
it would be an outrage. That they're doing it to
the person who is leading in the presidential nomination contest
(13:27):
right now according to every single polling company in the
United States is It's outrageous beyond words. But they have
what are they going to do? They won't stop, so
they're going to see this all the way through. I
don't know I see a way around it. I mean
I think that and and locking Trump up.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Please, if you're from if you if you worked in prisons,
and you have some idea of how they could do this,
I don't even know what would they do? How would
this go? Let us know, because I'd be very curious
to hear it. I think the only answer is if
they would have have to have the Secret Service come
in clear a wing, shut down the wing, and it
(14:04):
would almost be like you remember when Pablo Escobar got
to build his own prison, kind of be a little
bit like that, because like your guys would be running
the thing, and uh, nobody would really be.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Also, Buck, he has to be in court, so I
don't even know how they can jail him, because the
judge is already said that he has to be present
in court, even if it means that he misses his
son's graduation potentially, So if he gets put in court,
it further delays the process of the trial. I mean,
it's put in jail, it further delays the process of
(14:36):
the trial.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I just I don't even know. I this is fascinating.
I don't even know how this plays out.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But yeah, to your point eight hundred two A two
two eight eight two, if you have some theory, based
on your knowledge of the New York court system, what
this would be like or how it would work, I would.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Actually be be fascinated to hear.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna we're gonna dive into this, and I think, uh,
I mean it's gonna. The thing is, I just want
to prepare all of you it's gonna get crazier.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's gonna get crazier. Ye have not seen peak crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
We're just touching the tip of the iceberg right now
of the crazy that's coming.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That is correct, Yes, all right? Eight hundred two A
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Speaker 4 (17:19):
We're talking about the start of Trump trial number one
in New York City.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We'll get into it.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Plus Clay ruffling some feathers talking about the jury pool
situation yesterday. I'm just waiting for the video on Truth
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locked him up. It's horrible, horrible what they're doing to Clay.
He just wants good patriots to be on the jury.
And all of a sudden, now they're saying, Clay, you're
(17:46):
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That's coming.
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show all right in addition to all of the other
chaos that is out there. Last night CNN, as part
of their featured primetime programming I haven't even heard this audio.
They pulled it on the team. They said that I
(19:18):
committed a felony. I don't know if they want to
be prosecuted or not, but this is legitimately what they
were saying on CNN last night. I haven't heard this.
I don't think bucks heard it. Let's all listen and
we'll see whether or not I'm going to be in
a handcuff soon.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Do everything you can to get seated on the jury
and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle,
doing the case via hung jury, it's the most patriotic
thing you could do.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
It speaks to the perversion of patriotism that's come from
some of those in that wing.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
The most patriot thing you can do is to do
your duty as a jurist.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
First and foremost. It's not the first person to ever
argue for jury nullification. That being said, I think was
a poor choice of words, but I think again it
is illustrating in some ways the frustration that is in
many ways across the place.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Look, it's more than a portrait. Why supports it also
would be a felony to encourage people to lie again
on a jury.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
I would agree that again, you cannot be telling people
to willfully go into a courtroom and break the law.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Even if it benefits you politically.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Okay, hold on, hold on, Hold.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
On a second.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
At no point it's crazy we're even talking to this,
but we're gonna talk.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
This was CNN's main debate.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
By the way, Buck, this is the first time I
think they've talked about me on CNN since my ban
for saying the First Amendment boob. So in some way,
I don't know if the ban is lifted, if they're
doing entire segments discussing what I've said, But I'll let
you react to it.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
No, it's just there's for the whole thing is crazy.
This is all First Amendment territory. But beyond that, clearly
you didn't say lie that you know, no one's saying
lie under oath to a judge.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I certainly didn't say willfully lie either, So they just
made it. I mean they literally read the tweet and
then lied about what I said in the tweet.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Right, And also know that that's just a fancy way
of saying you don't believe that the prosecution is just,
and I mean any juror has the right to say that.
I don't believe this is a just prosecution. I will
not convict. I don't even care what the evidence is.
That is that that is why we have trial by jury,
(21:18):
because human beings get to make these decisions.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
They're not robots.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
They don't just take the instructions from the prosecutor and
don't think about things. And it's amazing to me that
we just had we had, as I said, oj you
know passed away last week, and you've all these people saying.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh, that's what the system deserves.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, the system should have let a wife abusing, narcissistic
psychopath cut two people's heads off because he was having
a bad day. That really, that really taught a lesson
to all the all the racism in the system. It
was an unbelievably stupid argument that a lot of people
somehow bought into the argument that an entirely unjust prosecution
of a presidential candidate should be met with a with jurors.
(21:57):
By the way, I think all the jurors should find
him not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
How about that we saw to.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The experience of the case, which has all been out
in the public for years. We're not talking about some
case where we're like, okay, let's sit back and see
what the evidence reflects. Every detail of the stormy Daniel's
allegation has been written about for when did they do
like the sit down interview with Anderson Cooper, like twenty seventeen.
I mean it's been like seven or eight years that
(22:22):
we've all had the ability six or seven years to
hear everything that she said.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I mean, fundamentally, what they what they are presenting is
not something that any reasonable person would say should take.
It should be a thing that can take away a
person's freedom. Okay, having your lawyers say this is like
a fee and not a payoff to somebody or whatever
(22:47):
is not something that somebody should get. Who is the victim?
What is the damage? That is the fundamental question that
cannot be answered. The victim is the public's right to know. Well,
if the public has a right to know, because it's
a campaign expense, as I've said all along, then you
could use you could use campaign dollars to pay off anybody.
I mean, that's that's crazy. That can't work. There's a
(23:09):
reason why the John Edwards prosecution fell apart and why
they didn't bring it again because you know, you get
into this area where like, well, what are we really
saying here? What are the expectations and who is harmed
in all of this. Also, Clay Trump is, as we know,
worth billions of dollars. We're having this conversation over what
is one hundred and thirty grand? Yes, I mean, I
know for like you know, I remember when I had
(23:30):
five hundred dollars in my bank account. I've been working
for ten years.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I get it. One hundred and thirty grand can be
a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's not a lot of money to Trump though, in
the kind of world we're talking about here, where you're
looking at presidents and people who are operating at the
level of influence, and the notion of one hundred and
thirty grand this is this is couch cushion money.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
But I also I would want to ask that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
CNN panel, so is the America they want to live
in one in which people are no longer allowed to
opine over what they believe is an unjust prosecution. What
does the whole be a movement about They're assuming the
innocence of people who have been shot by police, in
some cases, continuing to pretend that they are innocent, even
after a court has found that or an investigation or
(24:13):
both that they are in fact criminals who were shot
by police as in the case of Mike Brown, he
was a criminal shot attacking a police officer, committing a
crime in the act, and committed to crime before that
act as well. But they still lie about all hands up,
don't shoot. Oh it was all did you see what
I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Like they they wanted that officer, Darren Wilson to go
to prison. So that's okay. This this whole thing is nuts.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You can't weigh in on what you think the justice
of a prosecution is. You don't live in a free
society anymore at all, if that is the new rule,
and all of that is true, and I am one
hundred percent confident that I didn't break any law. Having
said that, we're living in such a banana republic that
Alvin Bragg has lost all concepts of traditional justice. I mean,
(25:00):
when he's charging a marine on the subway for trying
to protect people, and when he's trying to put Trump
in prison over a bookkeeping error that he's elevating after
the statute of limitations has expired, by the way, from
a misdemeanor to a felony that I don't think legally
is tenable. Remember this, in order to be elevated to
(25:21):
a felony. This book keeping misdemeanor has to be tied
to another crime. They still haven't specified, to my knowledge,
which crime they're tying it to. All of this is
so crazy, But I don't know that Alvin Bragg and
Democrats right now could do something where.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I would say, I truly can't believe they're doing this.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So I think there's a zero percent chance that I
have legally done anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They're crazy, Like if.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Something crazy happens, just you've got to request that Trump
become your bunkmate, if both of you get sent to
the Big House.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I could see it now.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
It'd be like Klay Travis, great American seca football, very knowledgeable,
wants top punk.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Problem problem with top punk? Trump gets top punk really funny.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I think I would do well with Trump as a
as a cell mate. I think we would probably get
along fairly. I think we'd have a lot in common.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I could do way.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Worse, right, So I just can you believe that CNN
legitimately last night, Buck argued that they want me charged
with a felony for questioning the legitimacy of the charges
that have been brought against Trump and for saying that
I hope that there is someone out there that will
actually apply the law and their common sense and make
(26:38):
a rational decision on this case. But by the way, Buck,
they've already had fifty plus jurors say they couldn't be impartial,
and they're already gone.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Who has not already made up their mind on this case? Right?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
How would you live in New York not know the
Stormy Daniels story, not know everything about Trump? I just
if this year we're actually going to a pattern, It's
really difficult. An important point we have just unfortunately, there's
been an abandoning of a reality, which is Trump can't
get Trump can't get a fair trial in New York.
But they bring it in New York because they know
(27:11):
the system there is going the who is watching the watchers,
Who does he appeal to?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
What is the higher authority? It's all Democrats, all New
York Democrats who are in them. They destroy Trump phenomenon.
That's why they brought this right because and you know
they tried this thing in Atlanta too. They want to
get it out of the federal system because they know
ultimately in the federal system it can always end up
in the Supreme Court. And that's what's happened already a
(27:37):
number of times right in New York. Unless there's some
constitutional issue at large, a New York jury being unfair
and crappy, New York judges being lunatic Democrats, new York
appeals courts hating Trump, that's not really reviewable by the
Supreme Court unless there's a specific issue that they're you know,
you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
So it's harder to get state issues into the Supreme
Court than it is federal issues into the Supreme Court,
because you have to have a peg of a federal
issue that you make in a state court.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yes, and so they get to control the whole ecosystem.
The entire New York judicial ecosystem is anti Trump. They
know it. They're not even getting a venue changed, you know,
So we're it's already baked into the system. Of course,
Trump can't get a fair trial in New York City,
and they don't want him to get a fair trial,
which is why they're bringing this case in the first place.
(28:27):
None of this is about justice or fairness.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's why I'm not troubled.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I wish we could have the same jury pool in
South Florida because it's roughly fifty to fifty. It's a
fifty to fifty America. The jury pool should be fifty
to fifty of Americans if we were actually going to
have an honest accounting of this entire case as opposed
to a rigged left wing jury pool. I mean, I
just think that you if there's one Trump voter on
(28:53):
that jury, I can't imagine that Trump voter would see
this and say, yeah, I think that he committed this
crime that isn't even really a crime, right, So that's
I think that they're gonna have it a difficult The
only thing that I could see is they try to
just bully and maybe it's a couple of Trump owters.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
They try to bully that one person into going along
with this. But I don't think you can say we
talked about being held in contempt. What if he gets
found guilty. I think there's a there's a distinct possibility
that he does get found guilty because people are on
the jury just do what they're told and they hate him,
and then what happens, you know what I mean? So
(29:32):
we have some people by the weighing in on the
actual prison situation, we should get them. Okay, we'll take
some of those calls and we come back eight hundred
and two A two two eight A two. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us.
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Speaker 3 (31:04):
Do you think you could get me some Crockett coffee
in the Big House for Trump and I to share
in the cell?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Like, do you think?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Because I think be the inmates, I'm gonna need to
develop some goodwill with the inmates so they don't beat
me up. I'm guessing the average inmate is probably bigger, stronger,
and tougher than me. Just tossing it out there, I
don't think people look at me and they're like, I
don't want to mess with that guy in the in
the food line, So I need something to ingratiate myself.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
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we'll figure out Crocketcoffee dot com.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Over one hundred thousand dollars in coffee sold for true Americans.
It's gonna be really popular in Riker's Island. And we
got a bunch of people by the way about this.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Let's let's take Leon in fair Fayettville, North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Retired correction sergeant. What's going on? Leon?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Hey, how you doing, sir?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Good? Sir? Great, But they have to protect the wings.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Some prisons for police officers, judges and those types that
would be a target for the inmate population. But he
would have to go on protect the custody. But I
couldn't see it because he could be touched. You have
an inmate that, uh, he has to clean up. He
could have chemicals in the mop bucket that he could
mop it.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
They won't think.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Nothing of it.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Next thing you know, he's setting it a fire.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Oh wow, And you got Trump was slocked.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
In the cell.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Uh, hardly gonna how they're gonna protect him.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You got inmates bringing the food and that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's all great points.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Leon, How do you think I would do in prison
if they try to put me in prison, Do you
think I'd be well liked there?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Do you think the guards would like me? How would
you assess my chances?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Because of your politics, I think you'd be mother would think.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
A lot of.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Oh boy, they got so many shanks on the yard.
I don't see how they're gonna protect the president if
he goes in there.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Feels thanks, thank you Leon for calling in for give
us the correction.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
This fields like a stupid sitcom idea.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's like the president has to go to prison and
the Secret Service goes with him, Like, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well, you know, you know when they put Madeoff in prison,
apparently it was now that was a federal prison. Yeah,
what's apparently there's differences between I mean, there's differences what
I'm saying in the I don't know. I'm not a
There are better places to go to serve time than
worse right, and he was not in like a Uh,
you know, Rikers Island would be very very low on
(33:33):
the list of places you would want to go. Rikers
Island is a hellhole. I have a lot of cop friends.
The NYPD are like, you don't want to spend any
time in Rikers Island. But when when Madeoff got sent
to federal prison, there were stories about how a lot
of the inmates were just like respected him because of
because his con was so big, and they they thought
it was like they're like he was, and they also
(33:54):
wanted to know how he did it. So he apparently
made friends in a lot of friends in federal prison.
You never know who's gonna get you know.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
The law degree would probably help me because I could
be a Jeilhouse warrior legitimately.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Uh, and I would Steve and Pensacola Beach.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You were helping to handle Manuel Noriega.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Well, I was in FCI Miami with Lord Conrad Black.
I'm sure you guys know who.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Oh yeah, they put him in there for nonsense. I
forgot about.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, we were cell mates together and so uh Noriega
had his own cell built out across from the pill line.
And so what would happen is is that for high
profile peoples. And I was a former count of commissioner
that was charged with the same thing that Hunter Biden was.
But I went to prison for a year, no questions asked.
(34:48):
But they have you know, in the federal prison, prison's prison,
and Clay you would do all right, but you'd been
a little tough for Shape.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Uh just wait, why do you think I dude, why
do you think I do better in prison than Buck?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What do you think the prison inmates would like me more?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Well, you know at Ginger saying is a tough thing
to cross, and but you know what kills me is
all policies towards prison reform and criminal justice reform is
lost on everything. He is the only one that stepped
up to really try to reform the criminal justice system.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Steve, are you the fact that Clay only has cats
before we throw Ginger under the bus?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Like, I don't know how that does. I got out voted.
I didn't want the cats. I don't know if you
heard that. I don't heard that. Steve just said that
changes things a bit.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Steve, my three kids and my wife, they all argued
during COVID that they needed cats, and I didn't have
the stones to overrule them.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Now, if the inmates say hear the story.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
The flute squad may come after you more for being
part of the feline society. So you know, the Steven Petsicola.
Thank you, sir, Wow, he served with you. Do you
remember the Conrad Black situation they went after him before.
If I remember, I'm going for memory. I don't get
everything right.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I think it was honest services fraud for running which
later on on the Supreme Court. Basically, I think maybe
they took they took it down for his case too,
or they took a look at it as well. I mean,
he got done dirty because it was a conservative media
mogul out of Canada and they just they just wanted
to take him out and they did, and it was
(36:33):
I mean, that sounds like the Conrad Black case. He's
still in prison. No, he served a few years, but
super wealthy, super smart guy, great writer himself actually, and
they locked him up for Scalia ended up saying, if
you can lock somebody up under the statue, you can
lock up a politician for getting a good table at
a restaurant.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
How long did Martha Stewart get Do you think I'd
do better in prison than Martha? No, she's very well organized.
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