June 24, 2024 • 36 mins
Leftist anti-Semites chase down Jews in streets of L.A. and Democrats compare Trump to Hitler? CNN's Van Jones says debate is make or break for Biden. Jesse Kelly calls in to talk haircuts. Author and NY Post columnist Miranda Devine joins the show with her take on the Hunter Biden verdict and the collapse of the Washington Post.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in now number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buckley back
with me tomorrow. As we move closer and closer to
the June twenty seventh debate, we're going to break down
some of the storylines surrounding that debate. We've already discussed
Caroline Levitt, who's going to join us at two Eastern,
(00:21):
being kicked off of CNN for pointing out that Jake
Tapper and Dana Bash, the two moderators of this debate,
have compared Trump regularly to Hitler. I wouldn't point out
if you're out there and you are saying, okay, some
on the left would, well, Trump does have Hitlarian tendencies.
(00:41):
So they try to say, well, maybe he's not Adolph Hitler,
but he's done a lot of things that Hitler would do. Really,
did you see what just happened in La Did you
see Jewish people being chased by pro Palestinians beaten in
the streets of Los Angeles? Have you seen the threats
(01:03):
that have rained down on Jewish people in the largest
growth of anti Semitism? Probably, sadly in my life, certainly
for any of us that were born and grew up
in the eighties, nineties, two thousands, We've never seen anything
like this in terms of the anti Semitism that is
rampant in the United States right now, all of it
coming from the left and the identity politics coalition that
(01:25):
the Democrats have cobbled together to try to win elections.
Anyone notice that Joe Biden announced he was running for
president because he bought into the very fine people live
from Charlottesville. He tried to claim that Trump called neo
nazi's very fine people, when in fact he directly condemned him,
something that many people still believe is true because of
(01:48):
the lies spread by CNNMSNBC, The New York Times, the
Washington Post. About that press conference, Trump said, there were
very fine people who believed that the statue of Robert E.
Lee should remain, and very fine people who believe the
statue of Roberty Lee should be torn down. I'm a
longtime believer that you should not tear down historical monuments
(02:09):
in this country, regardless of what the current political climate is.
So I would have been one of the very fine
people saying let's leave the Charlottesville statue of Roberty Lee
where it is. I find that far better than tearing
it down and melting it as they did on video
(02:32):
for the Washington Post. Very strange, in my opinion, behavior.
And Trump was right when he said, it will not
stop with Confederate generals. It will move on to Thomas
Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington and whoever you
decide is an old white guy that's no longer acceptable
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to be celebrated. A lot of people forget, but you
remember the mayor of DC supported tearing down the Jefferson
Memorial and the Washington Monument and changing the name of Washington,
DC during the height of the BLM protests. And people
just pretend that this didn't happen. All the BLM protests,
the tens of billions of dollars in destruction, the hundreds
(03:21):
of people injured, the craziness that came out of the
left at that point in time. We basically had January sixth,
this happening everywhere all over America, and nobody was punished
for it. We just had pro Palestinian protesters show up
at Lafayette Park. I just witnessed it myself. You could
still see the graffiti on all the monuments. Nothing happens
(03:42):
to any of them. Columbia protesters, They're not going to
get prosecuted. Pulled right out of the dorms and the
university buildings there that they had taken over, no consequences
at all. If you thought this was all an accident, though,
I'm making this argument for a long time, and I
would encourage you guys to break this out in conversations
(04:04):
that you have about media and who you trusted who
you don't. If you thought to yourself, well, okay, Jake Tapper,
Dana Bash, they compared Trump to Hitler.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They've probably said equally awful things about Joe Biden? Do
those clips exist? If the media was just really mean
or just really bad at the historical analogies they drew,
wouldn't it occur all the time in both directions. If
(04:41):
Trump was really just the victim of a poorly run
news cabal, there would actually be errors happening in both
directions all the time. This is how you know that
we have a rigged media environment. Can you share with
(05:04):
me a story that CNN or MSNBC has ever run
about Joe Biden that was incredibly negative that ended up
being one hundred percent untrue? Can you share one with me?
The Washington Post of the New York Times will include
them as well. If this were just a situation where
(05:29):
the media is negligent and they sometimes get things wrong,
wouldn't they get things wrong in both directions? I asked
for an example of a Biden negative story that was
one hundred percent wrong that they have produced at CNNMSNBC,
Washington Post or the New York Times. How about a
flip side? Can you share me a story involving Trump
(05:53):
that turned out to be one hundred percent false but
was very positive. If they only got things wrong in
one direction and they always were anti Trump, wouldn't that
suggest to you that it was intentional? If they were
(06:14):
just bad at their job, there would be some story
about Donald Trump rescuing eight puppies that were otherwise going
to drown in the Potomac River that with supremely viral
everybody saw. It was like the Hawk Tua story, which
some of you have seen. Nashville party girls when they
(06:36):
get to interviewed, they have interesting things to say everywhere
all over the internet. Be a supremely positive story about
Donald Trump that was one hundred percent false, but it
would have gotten out into the ecosystem because they were
just negligent and they were bad in their reporting. When
all of your reporting errors are on one side and
(06:58):
they always worked to make Trump look awful and Biden
look good, it's kind of significant that's all that Caroline
Levitt was going to do. But I think it's all
so important to recognize as we sit here three days
from the earliest debate in the history of American elections,
what's really at play here is not about Trump at all.
(07:21):
We know there's going to be a biased moderator in
Jake Tapper, we know there's going to be a biased
moderator in Dana Bash, But we also know this debate
isn't even really about America or the American people or
the voters. It's about whether Joe Biden's going to get
over the pass fail test. Is he going to be
good enough with all the drugs that they shoot him
(07:41):
up with with the one week of preparation, Is he
going to be good enough to be the Democrat nominee,
or are they going to put the fix in, make
Biden step down, announce that he's not going to run.
He's not going to step down, but announce that he's
not going to run, and free his delegates to vote
for whomever they would like in the Chicago convention. I
(08:02):
think that's what this about. This is about. And Van Jones,
left wing commentator, went on CNN and basically told you
that last week. Listen to this. This is the entire election.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
As far as I'm concerned, the entire world will be
watching there. If you have if you are a carbon
based life form, you're going to be watching. If you've
got a functioning brainstem, you're going.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
To be watching.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Because if Biden goes out there and messes up, it's
game over. If he If he walks out of there
and a week later he's lower in the polls, it's
panic in the party. But if he goes in there
and he can handle himself against Donald Trump, a runaway train,
a locomotive, a raging bull, then this guy deserves another
shot to be president, because that is tough.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you can stand toe to toe with a runaway
train like Donald Trump for an hour and a half,
you are fit to be president, period, point blank. This
is the whole presidency in a bottle in a week.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, so there's there's a lot to discuss about what
he just said. But I think that's the question here.
It's pass fail. If Biden is mediocre, they're gonna say
he passed, right. This is a very lenient, grating curve.
But if he's bad, they're gonna kick him to the curb,
and they're gonna use this early debate as the justification.
To me, this is a Biden must prove himself to
(09:20):
the Democrat party moment. Here's a question for all of you, though,
Don't we want Biden to actually be mediocre, just good
enough to remain the nominee. I don't want the Biden
replacement candidates. I think the Democrats would end up with
(09:41):
a way better ticket if they kick Biden to the curb.
I know it's fun to watch your opponent get eviscerated,
but I actually think it's better if this is just
kind of an even ish debate and both sides go
back to their camp and say we won. You know how,
(10:03):
a boxing match that's relatively close, when they finish the
bell bodate, both boxers raise their arms and go back
to their corner and their corner says, man, you won
that champ, you won that debate. I actually think it's
better for Trump if he doesn't knock Joe Biden out.
It's more satisfying if Trump knocks him out and stands
(10:27):
Muhammad Ali style posing with the fist. I actually don't
think that's best for Donald Trump's chances to get elected president.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Though.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's a bit of a counterintuitive take. But I want
all of you to think about it, because I laid
out Michelle Obama is a way tougher candidate than Joe
Biden is Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, would take
Pennsylvania off the board, way tougher candidate. Gretchen Whitmer, way
tougher candidate than Joe Biden. You don't believe me, Go
(10:57):
look at the polling. Look at how much better the
governor of Michigan and the governor of Pennsylvania do in
their states right now than Joe Biden does. Look at
how much better Michelle Obama would do now Kama is out,
She's not going to be the pick. Be careful what
you wish for Thursday. The best possible outcome is actually
(11:20):
Trump just does better than Biden, but Biden doesn't fall apart.
I'm not sure Biden can stand on the stage for
ninety minutes. I know he's not qualified to be president
of the United States. Most American voters have made up
their minds on this. Trump is going to beat Joe Biden.
I believe if that is our election choice in a
(11:41):
little over four months. I don't feel as confident about
Trump beating Michelle Obama. I don't feel as confident about
Trump winning in the Midwest against Josh Shapiro or against
Gretchen Whitmer. Think about that as you contemplate what's going
to happen on Thursday. A Trump knockout is more satisfy.
Biden being incompetent is great. But if Biden is just okay,
(12:08):
this is going to be a repeat, I believe of
the State of the Union address where Democrats come out
and they're crowing about how Biden looked amazing, and look
how much energy, and look how incredible he was, and
then he just has to go back out onto the
campaign trail and he's going to have more frail, incompetent,
dementia riddled mental and physical failures. No matter what happens
(12:29):
on the stage on Thursday. That's why, on some level
I actually want Biden to do okay, because if he's okay,
and I'm not saying great, I mean, he's not going
to turn into Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas. But if
he's just okay, I think he's going to do. I
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think he's going to do far worse than what the
Democrats would get if they actually hit the panic button,
break the glass, pull out the fire extinguished, and start
trying to come up with somebody else. Take some of
your calls and react to that. By the way, coming
down the line here, Miranda Devine and and enjoin us.
I'll ask her that question. We'll also talk about the
collapse of the Washington Post. Much more to discuss as well.
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
Special guest rolling in right now to talk with us
for a couple of minutes. Jesse Kelly Bald, Premiere Show
Radio evening host. I just got back from Omaha, Nebraska.
I've scrolling through my Twitter timeline during the breaks, as
I typically do to make sure that I'm on top
of everything, and I see the following I see the
(15:16):
following tweet from Jesse. Well, I'll let you read it. Jesse.
You here it is. I share a video I've talked
about my bad haircut. DC barber been poor choice by me.
Twenty five dollars haircut. Jesse responds, as I'm buying a
thousand Jello shots for everybody at this text A and
M Tennessee fans. How many did you give the guy
(15:38):
who cut your hair? Very good line? I chortled to
myself during your commercial break. Would you like to describe
for people who haven't seen it? What would you say
about my haircut? How would you classify it?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well? I, well, pictured this this is how I classified
people have heard of ever clear? That used to be
a thing back when we go Yeah it's clay. I
hope that's no longer a thing, but it's something like
the most powerful grain alcohol you can buy, ever Clear, right,
and everyone knew some kid who started drinking and then
got alcohol poisoning. So I want people to picture this.
I want you to picture that Stevie Wonder commits crime
(16:11):
in some backwater country and they chop his right hand off,
and then they give him a fifth of ever Clear
to ease the pain, and he drinks the entire fifth
of Everclear. So now he has one left hand. He's
just got a left hand, and of course he's blind,
and he's hammered on beyond belief on ever Clear. And
then they hand him some scissors and show him Clay
Travis's head. That's what it looks like. Happened to your hair?
(16:34):
That's the best way I can describe it. It looks
like drunk, one handed Stevie Wonder cut your hair and
you paid him to do it. You paid him to
do it.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think it was a bad angle on the video.
The hair is a mess. There's no other way to
describe the haircut. I mean when I cringed a bit
when I saw the video of me giving the jello
shots out, I was like, this is gonna be a
great video. Somebody sent it to me. I was like,
I'm gonna post this, and then you ever watch a
video of yourself or at a picture of yourself, You're like, oh, no,
do I really look like this?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
How bad? This is what everybody else sees. I always
see the front part of my hair. When I saw
the other angles, I was like, I don't even know
how I go out in public right now.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
No, I don't know how you did, Clay. And I mean,
you can say it's angles or whatever it is. I'm
just I'm looking at it again right now on my phone.
I'm trying, because look, we're friends. I'm trying to give
you the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not seeing
an angle that would work. Did they not do the
thing where they put you in front of a mirror,
because every time I get my haircut, I'm in front
(17:33):
of a mirror so I can see it. Did they
not do that at that barbershop? Were you in a basement.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
By the time they gave me the mirror? It was
such a disaster. There was nothing I could do except
give it the guy my twenty five dollars in leave.
I will say this Jesse. You know we go to
commercial break. The good thing is my hair is going
to grow back.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Oh that's just cold. That's cold.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Listen to Jesse Kelly Balding radio show host this evening.
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wish he could keep his hair. Uh, do you have
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you're bald like Jesse. You get up on that ladder,
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Clay and Buck Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Joined now by Miranda Devine of The New York Post. Miranda,
I was just I've been attacked a lot lately for
(19:00):
my awful haircut before we get into the Washington Post
collapsing and you deserving eighteen consecutive Pulitzers for your Hunter
Biden stories. What's Have you ever had a haircut that
was so bad you left and you were like, I
don't even want to go out in public for some time.
Is there a worst haircut? Miranda divine story? Do you
have one?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And I've only had one terrible haircut and it was
the one before my wedding.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Oh no, this happened to me too. What happened? So
to tell me about this story? You're in Australia, You're
about to get married. What happened? How did what occurred?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Look, the funny thing was that my husband also go
to a terrible haircut that day. Sorry each other, we
just lost I Look, I just decided I wanted to
get it a little bit shorter and do a little
bit of a Jackie O look, and it was just
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It was not a Jackie O look. My wife told me,
I swear this is true. We got married almost twenty
years ago today, I mean August of two thousand and four.
I was in Michigan. I go to the barber. She said,
I don't about this day before the wedding, like she
sent her mom with me. This is actually very funny.
She sent her mom with me as like a sort
of a security guard to make sure that I didn't
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get it off a haircut. So whatever you do, no
bowl cuts, nothing resembling a bowl cut. And I left,
and if you look at our wedding photos, they gave
me a bowl cut, and like she was mad at
her mom, she was mad at me. Probably it's much
worse than this haircut. But it was a really bad.
My life is basically just a series of bad haircuts
because I only pay like twenty dollars for every haircut
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I get, and I keep thinking, oh, that's gonna this
will turn out fine. But anyway, Jesse Kelly was just
on ridiculing my haircut and I have to say. Sometimes
you get a video of yourself from angles, it's not
like me just staring into the camera like I usually
do on television. I'm like, I can't believe I go
out in public looking like this. So anyway, that's what
we're dealing with right now. Hunter Biden went out in
(20:50):
public a lot in ways that I wouldn't have anticipated.
In an easy transition here, let's start here. Were you
surprised that the Delaware jury convicted him? Do you think
think his defense team was surprised as well that that
conviction happened.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. Look, I think they were incredibly surprised. I think
that they I don't know why, but I think they
thought they had it.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
In the back.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I thought it was like sixty forty forty percent guilty,
sixty percent hung jury.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
But you know, when you sit.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Through the evidence, it was absolutely slammed. Dunk and Abby
Lowell really didn't seem to know what was going on.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
With a lot of the witnesses, and the witnesses.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Were even marrying me. Biden, who was one of the
few witnesses that Hunter called or Hunter's lawyers called, she
was sympathetic for the other side, you know, she it
was just and the jurors afterwards said they felt very
sorry for her, and they said that no father should
put his daughter through something like that. So I think
that backfired on the jury. And what I guess the
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reason I was slightly surprised was because I've just come
to this conclusion that, you know, the Bidens have sort.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Of ringed everything in Delaware. But clearly those.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
People were not impressed by Jill Biden coming in every
day and sort of projecting the power and intimidation of
the presidency onto the courtroom and all their other entourage
doing the same thing.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It obviously just didn't work. And the prosecutors said in.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The summing up, sort of gesturing over to where Jeel
Biden was sitting with the rest of the family.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
And their entourage, and said, that is not evidence.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You may notice or recognize some of these people from
the news, but just put that aside. It has nothing
to do with your deliberations.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
We're talking with the Miranda Divine. I was talking earlier
in the show Miranda that I believe over time the
truth wins, and I don't just believe that in the
marketplace of ideas. I also believe it in the marketplace
of commerce, and you have got a lot of really
good and brave bosses at the New York Post, and
the New York Post has been rewarded the company. The
newspaper has done fabulously well over the past several years,
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bringing in lots of money, very successful business in ways
that historically hasn't been the truth. I think that's connected
in many ways to people having myself included a stronger
opinion of the New York Post brand based on the
bravery of the reporting surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop. The
opposite I think has occurred at the Washington Post. The
Washington Post lost about half of its audience. Reports are
(23:23):
that it's going to lose seventy seven million dollars this year,
and as a result, Jeff Bezos, I think, kind of
looked up and said, oh my goodness, even though I'm
super rich, I don't want to be running a charity project.
Brought in a host of new leadership that's designed to
get the company back to profitability. And the Post employees
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than Washington Post employees that is, have staged an absolute,
basically rebellion, and they forced one editor that was coming
in to say, hey, you know what screw this. I'm
going to stay in I'm going to stay in England.
What is important for our list nurse to know about
what's going on at the Washington Post. You wrote a
great column about it. It's posted up at Clay and Buck,
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but kind of lay it out for people who might
not have been paying attention.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Well, I mean, it's really an insurrection by the newsroom,
as you say, rebellion, but they love to use the
word insurrection against.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Ultram that's perfectservative.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But I think, you know, as you said, the sort
of chickens are coming home to roost with.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
The Washington Post.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
They were, you know, front and center on Russia collusion
on the January sixth, all the lies that they told,
they produced our reporting called it's sketchy over the laptop,
refused to publish anything covered up for Joe Biden. That's
all they do, you know, every single hope that comes along,
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whether it's suckers and losers or you know, what was
the latest one they've just debunked on Donald Trump. I'm
losing track, but so many of these lies that quite
happy to promulgate. And what's happened is I think they
got sky high readership during the Trump era, because it
was just scandal after scandal and people felt worried and
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that they had to keep abreast of the news. And
the Washington Post had this great brand and it was
trustworthy and had credibility. But then when people started realizing
slowly but surely that oh, the laptop is real, Oh
you know, this hoax, the Russia hoax is a lie,
and all the other things about Donald Trump just weren't true.
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And also realized that this sort of sainthood that the
Washington Post had conferred on Joe Biden was really not deserved,
and that he's a pretty bad man and has been
a very terrible president. And so I think their eyes
worken up and they realized, oh my gosh, I've been
lied to by.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
The Washington Post.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So I'm not going to I'm going to cancel my subscription.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
I'm going to ignore.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It lost its credibility. And the people in the news room,
I don't understand that they're the reason that happened, because
I think the inmates took over the asylum and they're
outraged that the guy who's paying the bills wants to
change things. And I just think that is, you know,
I've always worked for someone else, and if you want
to be the boss, then you have to put your
(26:16):
own money on the line. And you know that these
people are just so arrogant and they think that they
are the curators of everything that.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Is good and ethical in journalism, and they are the opposite.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think that's really well said. And ultimately, the profit
motive is sooner or later, if the rich guy gets
tired of losing money, that's going to be the case
no matter where it is, rich guy or gal, whoever's
in charge. Because I think Steve Jobs's daughter has several
different left wing publications, and what does it say that
(26:52):
the Post when To me, this was so fascinating when
the Post leader comes out and says, nobody's reading your articles.
Our overall, our overall audience is down fifty percent and
basically we're on pace to lose in the neighborhood of
one hundred million dollars. If I hear that, Miranda, as
an employee, my reaction is, man, if I like my job,
(27:15):
I better go bust my ass and work harder. That
is destructive to any business in the world, whether you're
selling cars or selling paper or selling newspapers. And subscriptions.
Their reaction at the Washington Post was, why do we
have white men who are coming in to run the newspaper.
We need to have more diversity like that just and
(27:37):
to me is indicative of how if you let this
woke culture into your business, and it doesn't matter what
the business is, ultimately I be comes destructive from the inside.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Absolutely and go work, get broken whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, And I think also there's something maybe more sinister
at sports. There is that sort of dei patina as well,
which is out of the problem with all these newsrooms.
But also the Washington Post has a special place in
DC as sort of an agent of the deep state.
Their sources a deep state people, their friends, their cocktail parties,
(28:13):
you know, it's people like Adam Shift, but it's also
CIA fbi ocraatives, you know. And I think that they
don't want the scrutiny that will come if you actually
have an editor like this, this CEO who's been brought
in the issue wanted to bring in. If you look
(28:34):
at their record in the UK and even here, they
are known for kind of objective and without fear or
favor journalism, investigative journalism that absolutely crucifies both sides of
politics whatever. You know, if they're corrupt, they will call
(28:55):
it out and they will do the stories. They won't
pull their punches. The Washington Post has a history of
pulling punches for their friends, and so regardless of their
Watergate you know background, I wonder if that was a
Democrat and not Nixon, if they would have been as aggressive.
But certainly these days since the Trump here, they're pulling
(29:15):
their punches on their friends, and so maybe they're also
frightened of having kind of rigorous editorship in there that's
demanding that they actually do the stories and check out
if you know, their FBI source tells them something like
about the steels off here, Well you have to go
and check that out and see if.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
It's real or not.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Really good points and they bring the mind. Two things
here to close out with you, Miranda. One, if the
Washington Post, for example, was just failing as a news
organization to get everything right, wouldn't there be stories, as
I was talking about earlier on the show, that were
extremely pro Trump that they screwed up that later would
come out. As you point out, if you only have
(29:59):
errors that make Trump look worse, that's pretty strongly indicative
of a bias. And then second part of this, you
mentioned Nixon and Watergate. Obviously Wood were in Bernstein. The
work they did there, they went after a Republican president.
But even if you look twenty five years later, the
legacy of the post was they went after Bill Clinton
pretty aggressively on the Monica Lewinsky case they covered. I
(30:21):
was in college at the time in DC. Every day
I'd go read the newspaper they were breaking new stories
on it. If Joe Biden, I really believe this had
a similar style when we know he's much worse in
terms of scandals than what happened with Bill Clinton, and
they just pretend it doesn't exist. Right, the legacy of
Watergate was we go after people in power. That was
(30:41):
what they did to Bill Clinton. Then when they went
to a subscription business, it turned into this is my thesis,
we can't possibly upset the people who pay for our newspaper.
Therefore we're just going to propagandize and attack the right.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That is really interesting. Yeah, I have theories about descriptions too,
which I have no evidence for.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
But I do think the subscription.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Model does skew you and when you are in Washington, DC,
and your subscribers are going to be government bureaucracies. That'll
be a big chunk of who is funding you. I
think you're going to be in a city where you
know ninety nine percent of people vote Democrat. And also
with the paper that I mean, it's fine, it leans liberal,
(31:28):
it's never endorsed a Republican candidate in its entire history. Fine,
but as you say, they did hold Clinton to account,
so you would expect, like it's fine, go hard on Trump,
and maybe you made some mistakes.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
I think they're unforgivable, but you are absolutely spot.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
On the fact that they have ignored the biggest corruption
scandal since Ordigate, which is about Joe Biden. I don't
think because they particularly love Joe Biden, but I think
because they wanted Biden to be Trump, because they really believe,
like a lot of their deep state sources, that Trump
is an existential threat. But he's only an existential threat
(32:08):
to the deep state to their kind of unelected missions,
missions that they promulgate overseas with regime change and new
wars and so on. You see what's happened on the
Biden when they've had unrestricted power, and that's why Trump
is an existential threat, not to the country, not to
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the world, the opposite to them.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going
to talk with Caroline Levitt about the big controversy that
blew up top of the next hour should be really
great also, by the way, and I don't really know
exactly what story's going to be here. London Roberts, the
mother OF's child, Joe Biden's grandchild that they do not acknowledge,
(34:04):
is going to join us at two thirty to talk
about her book that's coming out soon. We'll discuss all
that in the next hour. Wanted to give you some
good news. I mentioned optimism, and you just heard me
talking with Miranda Divine, who I love. I mean the
work that she did on the New York Post surrounding
the Hunter Biden laptop. I'm not kidding when I say
they should pull every pulitzer that was associated with Russia
(34:26):
collusion that the New York Times and the Washington Post
and all those left wing media outlets shared with each
other for a one percent lie and instead should go
to Miranda Divine for her accurate reporting on The New
York Post. And I think the New York Post has
been rewarded as a brand for the success and the
honesty they've had. I know the company that I sold
(34:47):
three years ago, OutKick, has been rewarded. I think Fox
News is rewarded every single night when it outrates MSNBC
and CNN combined, as it often does. But I also
think this is instructive of the importance of what Elon
did when he bought Twitter. Is he gave a social
(35:08):
media company that wasn't committed to the left or right,
but was just committed to letting the marketplace of ideas
at work. You me, everybody else should be able to
say exactly what we think, and there shouldn't be a
finger on the scale dictating positive or negative what your
storyline is going to be. I think Elon sent an
important message. And this story came out today. Some of
you may have seen it. I shared it. Vivek Ramaswami,
(35:30):
who's been a regular guest on this program, is talking
about buying BuzzFeed. He owns a substantial share in it.
I just want you guys to know. He put forward
three names for individuals that he would like to sit
on the BuzzFeed board to bring more honesty and journalism,
more content ideas, and also just a more varied diversity
(35:52):
of thought to a left wing organization like BuzzFeed, which
remember published the Steele dossier for the first time of
any news organization out there. He put forward Patrick Bett.
David does really good work. Many of you are familiar
with him. Chris Balth really smart business guy who has
had tremendous success running Meghan Kelly Bill O'Reilly affiliated companies
(36:16):
and me, which I take as a honor from the
Veke that he would want me to join those two
guys as new board members at BuzzFeed. I don't know
how it's going to play out. They may not want
me on the board, there may be controversy associated with it,
as there often is, but I do take it as
a very important sign of where we are in the
marketplace in media, in particular that people like Elon and
(36:40):
the Vike are putting their money where their mouth is
and speaking out for a fair media environment. That is
incredibly important no matter who the president is
Welcome back in now number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buckley back
with me tomorrow. As we move closer and closer to
the June twenty seventh debate, we're going to break down
some of the storylines surrounding that debate. We've already discussed
Caroline Levitt, who's going to join us at two Eastern,
(00:21):
being kicked off of CNN for pointing out that Jake
Tapper and Dana Bash, the two moderators of this debate,
have compared Trump regularly to Hitler. I wouldn't point out
if you're out there and you are saying, okay, some
on the left would, well, Trump does have Hitlarian tendencies.
(00:41):
So they try to say, well, maybe he's not Adolph Hitler,
but he's done a lot of things that Hitler would do. Really,
did you see what just happened in La Did you
see Jewish people being chased by pro Palestinians beaten in
the streets of Los Angeles? Have you seen the threats
(01:03):
that have rained down on Jewish people in the largest
growth of anti Semitism? Probably, sadly in my life, certainly
for any of us that were born and grew up
in the eighties, nineties, two thousands, We've never seen anything
like this in terms of the anti Semitism that is
rampant in the United States right now, all of it
coming from the left and the identity politics coalition that
(01:25):
the Democrats have cobbled together to try to win elections.
Anyone notice that Joe Biden announced he was running for
president because he bought into the very fine people live
from Charlottesville. He tried to claim that Trump called neo
nazi's very fine people, when in fact he directly condemned him,
something that many people still believe is true because of
(01:48):
the lies spread by CNNMSNBC, The New York Times, the
Washington Post. About that press conference, Trump said, there were
very fine people who believed that the statue of Robert E.
Lee should remain, and very fine people who believe the
statue of Roberty Lee should be torn down. I'm a
longtime believer that you should not tear down historical monuments
(02:09):
in this country, regardless of what the current political climate is.
So I would have been one of the very fine
people saying let's leave the Charlottesville statue of Roberty Lee
where it is. I find that far better than tearing
it down and melting it as they did on video
(02:32):
for the Washington Post. Very strange, in my opinion, behavior.
And Trump was right when he said, it will not
stop with Confederate generals. It will move on to Thomas
Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington and whoever you
decide is an old white guy that's no longer acceptable
(02:56):
to be celebrated. A lot of people forget, but you
remember the mayor of DC supported tearing down the Jefferson
Memorial and the Washington Monument and changing the name of Washington,
DC during the height of the BLM protests. And people
just pretend that this didn't happen. All the BLM protests,
the tens of billions of dollars in destruction, the hundreds
(03:21):
of people injured, the craziness that came out of the
left at that point in time. We basically had January sixth,
this happening everywhere all over America, and nobody was punished
for it. We just had pro Palestinian protesters show up
at Lafayette Park. I just witnessed it myself. You could
still see the graffiti on all the monuments. Nothing happens
(03:42):
to any of them. Columbia protesters, They're not going to
get prosecuted. Pulled right out of the dorms and the
university buildings there that they had taken over, no consequences
at all. If you thought this was all an accident, though,
I'm making this argument for a long time, and I
would encourage you guys to break this out in conversations
(04:04):
that you have about media and who you trusted who
you don't. If you thought to yourself, well, okay, Jake Tapper,
Dana Bash, they compared Trump to Hitler.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They've probably said equally awful things about Joe Biden? Do
those clips exist? If the media was just really mean
or just really bad at the historical analogies they drew,
wouldn't it occur all the time in both directions. If
(04:41):
Trump was really just the victim of a poorly run
news cabal, there would actually be errors happening in both
directions all the time. This is how you know that
we have a rigged media environment. Can you share with
(05:04):
me a story that CNN or MSNBC has ever run
about Joe Biden that was incredibly negative that ended up
being one hundred percent untrue? Can you share one with me?
The Washington Post of the New York Times will include
them as well. If this were just a situation where
(05:29):
the media is negligent and they sometimes get things wrong,
wouldn't they get things wrong in both directions? I asked
for an example of a Biden negative story that was
one hundred percent wrong that they have produced at CNNMSNBC,
Washington Post or the New York Times. How about a
flip side? Can you share me a story involving Trump
(05:53):
that turned out to be one hundred percent false but
was very positive. If they only got things wrong in
one direction and they always were anti Trump, wouldn't that
suggest to you that it was intentional? If they were
(06:14):
just bad at their job, there would be some story
about Donald Trump rescuing eight puppies that were otherwise going
to drown in the Potomac River that with supremely viral
everybody saw. It was like the Hawk Tua story, which
some of you have seen. Nashville party girls when they
(06:36):
get to interviewed, they have interesting things to say everywhere
all over the internet. Be a supremely positive story about
Donald Trump that was one hundred percent false, but it
would have gotten out into the ecosystem because they were
just negligent and they were bad in their reporting. When
all of your reporting errors are on one side and
(06:58):
they always worked to make Trump look awful and Biden
look good, it's kind of significant that's all that Caroline
Levitt was going to do. But I think it's all
so important to recognize as we sit here three days
from the earliest debate in the history of American elections,
what's really at play here is not about Trump at all.
(07:21):
We know there's going to be a biased moderator in
Jake Tapper, we know there's going to be a biased
moderator in Dana Bash, But we also know this debate
isn't even really about America or the American people or
the voters. It's about whether Joe Biden's going to get
over the pass fail test. Is he going to be
good enough with all the drugs that they shoot him
(07:41):
up with with the one week of preparation, Is he
going to be good enough to be the Democrat nominee,
or are they going to put the fix in, make
Biden step down, announce that he's not going to run.
He's not going to step down, but announce that he's
not going to run, and free his delegates to vote
for whomever they would like in the Chicago convention. I
(08:02):
think that's what this about. This is about. And Van Jones,
left wing commentator, went on CNN and basically told you
that last week. Listen to this. This is the entire election.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
As far as I'm concerned, the entire world will be
watching there. If you have if you are a carbon
based life form, you're going to be watching. If you've
got a functioning brainstem, you're going.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
To be watching.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Because if Biden goes out there and messes up, it's
game over. If he If he walks out of there
and a week later he's lower in the polls, it's
panic in the party. But if he goes in there
and he can handle himself against Donald Trump, a runaway train,
a locomotive, a raging bull, then this guy deserves another
shot to be president, because that is tough.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you can stand toe to toe with a runaway
train like Donald Trump for an hour and a half,
you are fit to be president, period, point blank. This
is the whole presidency in a bottle in a week.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, so there's there's a lot to discuss about what
he just said. But I think that's the question here.
It's pass fail. If Biden is mediocre, they're gonna say
he passed, right. This is a very lenient, grating curve.
But if he's bad, they're gonna kick him to the curb,
and they're gonna use this early debate as the justification.
To me, this is a Biden must prove himself to
(09:20):
the Democrat party moment. Here's a question for all of you, though,
Don't we want Biden to actually be mediocre, just good
enough to remain the nominee. I don't want the Biden
replacement candidates. I think the Democrats would end up with
(09:41):
a way better ticket if they kick Biden to the curb.
I know it's fun to watch your opponent get eviscerated,
but I actually think it's better if this is just
kind of an even ish debate and both sides go
back to their camp and say we won. You know how,
(10:03):
a boxing match that's relatively close, when they finish the
bell bodate, both boxers raise their arms and go back
to their corner and their corner says, man, you won
that champ, you won that debate. I actually think it's
better for Trump if he doesn't knock Joe Biden out.
It's more satisfying if Trump knocks him out and stands
(10:27):
Muhammad Ali style posing with the fist. I actually don't
think that's best for Donald Trump's chances to get elected president.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Though.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's a bit of a counterintuitive take. But I want
all of you to think about it, because I laid
out Michelle Obama is a way tougher candidate than Joe
Biden is Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, would take
Pennsylvania off the board, way tougher candidate. Gretchen Whitmer, way
tougher candidate than Joe Biden. You don't believe me, Go
(10:57):
look at the polling. Look at how much better the
governor of Michigan and the governor of Pennsylvania do in
their states right now than Joe Biden does. Look at
how much better Michelle Obama would do now Kama is out,
She's not going to be the pick. Be careful what
you wish for Thursday. The best possible outcome is actually
(11:20):
Trump just does better than Biden, but Biden doesn't fall apart.
I'm not sure Biden can stand on the stage for
ninety minutes. I know he's not qualified to be president
of the United States. Most American voters have made up
their minds on this. Trump is going to beat Joe Biden.
I believe if that is our election choice in a
(11:41):
little over four months. I don't feel as confident about
Trump beating Michelle Obama. I don't feel as confident about
Trump winning in the Midwest against Josh Shapiro or against
Gretchen Whitmer. Think about that as you contemplate what's going
to happen on Thursday. A Trump knockout is more satisfy.
Biden being incompetent is great. But if Biden is just okay,
(12:08):
this is going to be a repeat, I believe of
the State of the Union address where Democrats come out
and they're crowing about how Biden looked amazing, and look
how much energy, and look how incredible he was, and
then he just has to go back out onto the
campaign trail and he's going to have more frail, incompetent,
dementia riddled mental and physical failures. No matter what happens
(12:29):
on the stage on Thursday. That's why, on some level
I actually want Biden to do okay, because if he's okay,
and I'm not saying great, I mean, he's not going
to turn into Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas. But if
he's just okay, I think he's going to do. I
(12:50):
think he's going to do far worse than what the
Democrats would get if they actually hit the panic button,
break the glass, pull out the fire extinguished, and start
trying to come up with somebody else. Take some of
your calls and react to that. By the way, coming
down the line here, Miranda Devine and and enjoin us.
I'll ask her that question. We'll also talk about the
collapse of the Washington Post. Much more to discuss as well.
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Special guest rolling in right now to talk with us
for a couple of minutes. Jesse Kelly Bald, Premiere Show
Radio evening host. I just got back from Omaha, Nebraska.
I've scrolling through my Twitter timeline during the breaks, as
I typically do to make sure that I'm on top
of everything, and I see the following I see the
(15:16):
following tweet from Jesse. Well, I'll let you read it. Jesse.
You here it is. I share a video I've talked
about my bad haircut. DC barber been poor choice by me.
Twenty five dollars haircut. Jesse responds, as I'm buying a
thousand Jello shots for everybody at this text A and
M Tennessee fans. How many did you give the guy
(15:38):
who cut your hair? Very good line? I chortled to
myself during your commercial break. Would you like to describe
for people who haven't seen it? What would you say
about my haircut? How would you classify it?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well? I, well, pictured this this is how I classified
people have heard of ever clear? That used to be
a thing back when we go Yeah it's clay. I
hope that's no longer a thing, but it's something like
the most powerful grain alcohol you can buy, ever Clear, right,
and everyone knew some kid who started drinking and then
got alcohol poisoning. So I want people to picture this.
I want you to picture that Stevie Wonder commits crime
(16:11):
in some backwater country and they chop his right hand off,
and then they give him a fifth of ever Clear
to ease the pain, and he drinks the entire fifth
of Everclear. So now he has one left hand. He's
just got a left hand, and of course he's blind,
and he's hammered on beyond belief on ever Clear. And
then they hand him some scissors and show him Clay
Travis's head. That's what it looks like. Happened to your hair?
(16:34):
That's the best way I can describe it. It looks
like drunk, one handed Stevie Wonder cut your hair and
you paid him to do it. You paid him to
do it.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think it was a bad angle on the video.
The hair is a mess. There's no other way to
describe the haircut. I mean when I cringed a bit
when I saw the video of me giving the jello
shots out, I was like, this is gonna be a
great video. Somebody sent it to me. I was like,
I'm gonna post this, and then you ever watch a
video of yourself or at a picture of yourself, You're like, oh, no,
do I really look like this?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
How bad? This is what everybody else sees. I always
see the front part of my hair. When I saw
the other angles, I was like, I don't even know
how I go out in public right now.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
No, I don't know how you did, Clay. And I mean,
you can say it's angles or whatever it is. I'm
just I'm looking at it again right now on my phone.
I'm trying, because look, we're friends. I'm trying to give
you the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not seeing
an angle that would work. Did they not do the
thing where they put you in front of a mirror,
because every time I get my haircut, I'm in front
(17:33):
of a mirror so I can see it. Did they
not do that at that barbershop? Were you in a basement.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
By the time they gave me the mirror? It was
such a disaster. There was nothing I could do except
give it the guy my twenty five dollars in leave.
I will say this Jesse. You know we go to
commercial break. The good thing is my hair is going
to grow back.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Oh that's just cold. That's cold.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Listen to Jesse Kelly Balding radio show host this evening.
Jesse appreciate the time of man. He's really fantastic. Especially
wish he could keep his hair. Uh, do you have
a lot of trees around your house. The idea of
getting on a ladder to clean out the gutters isn't
exactly how anybody wants to spend their weekend, especially if
you're bald like Jesse. You get up on that ladder,
he's already super tall. You get up on that ladder,
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and the sun he doesn't have any hair to protect him.
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Clay and Buck Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Joined now by Miranda Devine of The New York Post. Miranda,
I was just I've been attacked a lot lately for
(19:00):
my awful haircut before we get into the Washington Post
collapsing and you deserving eighteen consecutive Pulitzers for your Hunter
Biden stories. What's Have you ever had a haircut that
was so bad you left and you were like, I
don't even want to go out in public for some time.
Is there a worst haircut? Miranda divine story? Do you
have one?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And I've only had one terrible haircut and it was
the one before my wedding.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Oh no, this happened to me too. What happened? So
to tell me about this story? You're in Australia, You're
about to get married. What happened? How did what occurred?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Look, the funny thing was that my husband also go
to a terrible haircut that day. Sorry each other, we
just lost I Look, I just decided I wanted to
get it a little bit shorter and do a little
bit of a Jackie O look, and it was just
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It was not a Jackie O look. My wife told me,
I swear this is true. We got married almost twenty
years ago today, I mean August of two thousand and four.
I was in Michigan. I go to the barber. She said,
I don't about this day before the wedding, like she
sent her mom with me. This is actually very funny.
She sent her mom with me as like a sort
of a security guard to make sure that I didn't
(20:08):
get it off a haircut. So whatever you do, no
bowl cuts, nothing resembling a bowl cut. And I left,
and if you look at our wedding photos, they gave
me a bowl cut, and like she was mad at
her mom, she was mad at me. Probably it's much
worse than this haircut. But it was a really bad.
My life is basically just a series of bad haircuts
because I only pay like twenty dollars for every haircut
(20:29):
I get, and I keep thinking, oh, that's gonna this
will turn out fine. But anyway, Jesse Kelly was just
on ridiculing my haircut and I have to say. Sometimes
you get a video of yourself from angles, it's not
like me just staring into the camera like I usually
do on television. I'm like, I can't believe I go
out in public looking like this. So anyway, that's what
we're dealing with right now. Hunter Biden went out in
(20:50):
public a lot in ways that I wouldn't have anticipated.
In an easy transition here, let's start here. Were you
surprised that the Delaware jury convicted him? Do you think
think his defense team was surprised as well that that
conviction happened.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. Look, I think they were incredibly surprised. I think
that they I don't know why, but I think they
thought they had it.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
In the back.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I thought it was like sixty forty forty percent guilty,
sixty percent hung jury.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
But you know, when you sit.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Through the evidence, it was absolutely slammed. Dunk and Abby
Lowell really didn't seem to know what was going on.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
With a lot of the witnesses, and the witnesses.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Were even marrying me. Biden, who was one of the
few witnesses that Hunter called or Hunter's lawyers called, she
was sympathetic for the other side, you know, she it
was just and the jurors afterwards said they felt very
sorry for her, and they said that no father should
put his daughter through something like that. So I think
that backfired on the jury. And what I guess the
(21:53):
reason I was slightly surprised was because I've just come
to this conclusion that, you know, the Bidens have sort.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Of ringed everything in Delaware. But clearly those.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
People were not impressed by Jill Biden coming in every
day and sort of projecting the power and intimidation of
the presidency onto the courtroom and all their other entourage
doing the same thing.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It obviously just didn't work. And the prosecutors said in.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The summing up, sort of gesturing over to where Jeel
Biden was sitting with the rest of the family.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
And their entourage, and said, that is not evidence.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You may notice or recognize some of these people from
the news, but just put that aside. It has nothing
to do with your deliberations.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
We're talking with the Miranda Divine. I was talking earlier
in the show Miranda that I believe over time the
truth wins, and I don't just believe that in the
marketplace of ideas. I also believe it in the marketplace
of commerce, and you have got a lot of really
good and brave bosses at the New York Post, and
the New York Post has been rewarded the company. The
newspaper has done fabulously well over the past several years,
(23:02):
bringing in lots of money, very successful business in ways
that historically hasn't been the truth. I think that's connected
in many ways to people having myself included a stronger
opinion of the New York Post brand based on the
bravery of the reporting surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop. The
opposite I think has occurred at the Washington Post. The
Washington Post lost about half of its audience. Reports are
(23:23):
that it's going to lose seventy seven million dollars this year,
and as a result, Jeff Bezos, I think, kind of
looked up and said, oh my goodness, even though I'm
super rich, I don't want to be running a charity project.
Brought in a host of new leadership that's designed to
get the company back to profitability. And the Post employees
(23:43):
than Washington Post employees that is, have staged an absolute,
basically rebellion, and they forced one editor that was coming
in to say, hey, you know what screw this. I'm
going to stay in I'm going to stay in England.
What is important for our list nurse to know about
what's going on at the Washington Post. You wrote a
great column about it. It's posted up at Clay and Buck,
(24:05):
but kind of lay it out for people who might
not have been paying attention.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Well, I mean, it's really an insurrection by the newsroom,
as you say, rebellion, but they love to use the
word insurrection against.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Ultram that's perfectservative.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But I think, you know, as you said, the sort
of chickens are coming home to roost with.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
The Washington Post.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
They were, you know, front and center on Russia collusion
on the January sixth, all the lies that they told,
they produced our reporting called it's sketchy over the laptop,
refused to publish anything covered up for Joe Biden. That's
all they do, you know, every single hope that comes along,
(24:48):
whether it's suckers and losers or you know, what was
the latest one they've just debunked on Donald Trump. I'm
losing track, but so many of these lies that quite
happy to promulgate. And what's happened is I think they
got sky high readership during the Trump era, because it
was just scandal after scandal and people felt worried and
(25:11):
that they had to keep abreast of the news. And
the Washington Post had this great brand and it was
trustworthy and had credibility. But then when people started realizing
slowly but surely that oh, the laptop is real, Oh
you know, this hoax, the Russia hoax is a lie,
and all the other things about Donald Trump just weren't true.
(25:31):
And also realized that this sort of sainthood that the
Washington Post had conferred on Joe Biden was really not deserved,
and that he's a pretty bad man and has been
a very terrible president. And so I think their eyes
worken up and they realized, oh my gosh, I've been
lied to by.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
The Washington Post.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So I'm not going to I'm going to cancel my subscription.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
I'm going to ignore.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It lost its credibility. And the people in the news room,
I don't understand that they're the reason that happened, because
I think the inmates took over the asylum and they're
outraged that the guy who's paying the bills wants to
change things. And I just think that is, you know,
I've always worked for someone else, and if you want
to be the boss, then you have to put your
(26:16):
own money on the line. And you know that these
people are just so arrogant and they think that they
are the curators of everything that.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Is good and ethical in journalism, and they are the opposite.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think that's really well said. And ultimately, the profit
motive is sooner or later, if the rich guy gets
tired of losing money, that's going to be the case
no matter where it is, rich guy or gal, whoever's
in charge. Because I think Steve Jobs's daughter has several
different left wing publications, and what does it say that
(26:52):
the Post when To me, this was so fascinating when
the Post leader comes out and says, nobody's reading your articles.
Our overall, our overall audience is down fifty percent and
basically we're on pace to lose in the neighborhood of
one hundred million dollars. If I hear that, Miranda, as
an employee, my reaction is, man, if I like my job,
(27:15):
I better go bust my ass and work harder. That
is destructive to any business in the world, whether you're
selling cars or selling paper or selling newspapers. And subscriptions.
Their reaction at the Washington Post was, why do we
have white men who are coming in to run the newspaper.
We need to have more diversity like that just and
(27:37):
to me is indicative of how if you let this
woke culture into your business, and it doesn't matter what
the business is, ultimately I be comes destructive from the inside.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Absolutely and go work, get broken whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, And I think also there's something maybe more sinister
at sports. There is that sort of dei patina as well,
which is out of the problem with all these newsrooms.
But also the Washington Post has a special place in
DC as sort of an agent of the deep state.
Their sources a deep state people, their friends, their cocktail parties,
(28:13):
you know, it's people like Adam Shift, but it's also
CIA fbi ocraatives, you know. And I think that they
don't want the scrutiny that will come if you actually
have an editor like this, this CEO who's been brought
in the issue wanted to bring in. If you look
(28:34):
at their record in the UK and even here, they
are known for kind of objective and without fear or
favor journalism, investigative journalism that absolutely crucifies both sides of
politics whatever. You know, if they're corrupt, they will call
(28:55):
it out and they will do the stories. They won't
pull their punches. The Washington Post has a history of
pulling punches for their friends, and so regardless of their
Watergate you know background, I wonder if that was a
Democrat and not Nixon, if they would have been as aggressive.
But certainly these days since the Trump here, they're pulling
(29:15):
their punches on their friends, and so maybe they're also
frightened of having kind of rigorous editorship in there that's
demanding that they actually do the stories and check out
if you know, their FBI source tells them something like
about the steels off here, Well you have to go
and check that out and see if.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
It's real or not.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Really good points and they bring the mind. Two things
here to close out with you, Miranda. One, if the
Washington Post, for example, was just failing as a news
organization to get everything right, wouldn't there be stories, as
I was talking about earlier on the show, that were
extremely pro Trump that they screwed up that later would
come out. As you point out, if you only have
(29:59):
errors that make Trump look worse, that's pretty strongly indicative
of a bias. And then second part of this, you
mentioned Nixon and Watergate. Obviously Wood were in Bernstein. The
work they did there, they went after a Republican president.
But even if you look twenty five years later, the
legacy of the post was they went after Bill Clinton
pretty aggressively on the Monica Lewinsky case they covered. I
(30:21):
was in college at the time in DC. Every day
I'd go read the newspaper they were breaking new stories
on it. If Joe Biden, I really believe this had
a similar style when we know he's much worse in
terms of scandals than what happened with Bill Clinton, and
they just pretend it doesn't exist. Right, the legacy of
Watergate was we go after people in power. That was
(30:41):
what they did to Bill Clinton. Then when they went
to a subscription business, it turned into this is my thesis,
we can't possibly upset the people who pay for our newspaper.
Therefore we're just going to propagandize and attack the right.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That is really interesting. Yeah, I have theories about descriptions too,
which I have no evidence for.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
But I do think the subscription.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Model does skew you and when you are in Washington, DC,
and your subscribers are going to be government bureaucracies. That'll
be a big chunk of who is funding you. I
think you're going to be in a city where you
know ninety nine percent of people vote Democrat. And also
with the paper that I mean, it's fine, it leans liberal,
(31:28):
it's never endorsed a Republican candidate in its entire history. Fine,
but as you say, they did hold Clinton to account,
so you would expect, like it's fine, go hard on Trump,
and maybe you made some mistakes.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
I think they're unforgivable, but you are absolutely spot.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
On the fact that they have ignored the biggest corruption
scandal since Ordigate, which is about Joe Biden. I don't
think because they particularly love Joe Biden, but I think
because they wanted Biden to be Trump, because they really believe,
like a lot of their deep state sources, that Trump
is an existential threat. But he's only an existential threat
(32:08):
to the deep state to their kind of unelected missions,
missions that they promulgate overseas with regime change and new
wars and so on. You see what's happened on the
Biden when they've had unrestricted power, and that's why Trump
is an existential threat, not to the country, not to
(32:29):
the world, the opposite to them.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No doubt, Miranda Devine, she deserves eighteen straight Pulitzers. I
just wish she'd had a better haircut and on her
wedding day, Miranda, Yeah, I needed one for sure. Thank
you for having with us, and we'll talk to you
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going
to talk with Caroline Levitt about the big controversy that
blew up top of the next hour should be really
great also, by the way, and I don't really know
exactly what story's going to be here. London Roberts, the
mother OF's child, Joe Biden's grandchild that they do not acknowledge,
(34:04):
is going to join us at two thirty to talk
about her book that's coming out soon. We'll discuss all
that in the next hour. Wanted to give you some
good news. I mentioned optimism, and you just heard me
talking with Miranda Divine, who I love. I mean the
work that she did on the New York Post surrounding
the Hunter Biden laptop. I'm not kidding when I say
they should pull every pulitzer that was associated with Russia
(34:26):
collusion that the New York Times and the Washington Post
and all those left wing media outlets shared with each
other for a one percent lie and instead should go
to Miranda Divine for her accurate reporting on The New
York Post. And I think the New York Post has
been rewarded as a brand for the success and the
honesty they've had. I know the company that I sold
(34:47):
three years ago, OutKick, has been rewarded. I think Fox
News is rewarded every single night when it outrates MSNBC
and CNN combined, as it often does. But I also
think this is instructive of the importance of what Elon
did when he bought Twitter. Is he gave a social
(35:08):
media company that wasn't committed to the left or right,
but was just committed to letting the marketplace of ideas
at work. You me, everybody else should be able to
say exactly what we think, and there shouldn't be a
finger on the scale dictating positive or negative what your
storyline is going to be. I think Elon sent an
important message. And this story came out today. Some of
you may have seen it. I shared it. Vivek Ramaswami,
(35:30):
who's been a regular guest on this program, is talking
about buying BuzzFeed. He owns a substantial share in it.
I just want you guys to know. He put forward
three names for individuals that he would like to sit
on the BuzzFeed board to bring more honesty and journalism,
more content ideas, and also just a more varied diversity
(35:52):
of thought to a left wing organization like BuzzFeed, which
remember published the Steele dossier for the first time of
any news organization out there. He put forward Patrick Bett.
David does really good work. Many of you are familiar
with him. Chris Balth really smart business guy who has
had tremendous success running Meghan Kelly Bill O'Reilly affiliated companies
(36:16):
and me, which I take as a honor from the
Veke that he would want me to join those two
guys as new board members at BuzzFeed. I don't know
how it's going to play out. They may not want
me on the board, there may be controversy associated with it,
as there often is, but I do take it as
a very important sign of where we are in the
marketplace in media, in particular that people like Elon and
(36:40):
the Vike are putting their money where their mouth is
and speaking out for a fair media environment. That is
incredibly important no matter who the president is
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