August 2, 2024 • 31 mins
In this conversation, Tammy Bruce discusses the use of fear and intimidation by the left to control the population. She explains how chronic fear is artificially created and used as a tool for control. Tammy also highlights the impact of fear on personal relationships and mental health. She emphasizes the importance of making decisions based on one's own values and not letting strangers dictate how one feels. Tammy offers recommendations for breaking free from the spell of fear and regaining personal power. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we have Tammy
Bruce with us. She is a Fox News contributor and
the author of the book of Fear Itself, Exposing the Left's.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Mind killing agenda. Tammy, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thanks for asking me. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It's fine, No, it's great because I was actually just
talking to some people today in West Michigan who are like,
how is the left doing this? They just don't understand it,
And so I wanted to get into your book. You
are a former liberal, So how is it happening? Why
are we not good at this?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, you know, it's interesting because you know, this is
one good thing about the internet is that you get
a lot more information. But then also bad guys can
use it to indoctrinate and to confuse, and you know
we're seeing that right now with the remake of Kamala Harris.
It's like a big production. It's it's bread and circuses.
But the book in particular, I was really a cart
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pusher on the left. I was the president of the
National Organization for Women in Los Angeles, and you know
it's because the issues matter to me. I wanted to
make a difference on things like violence against women, domestic
violence in general, the economy. Right, obviously, we're all very
much impacted by the choices we can make based on
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how much money's in our bank account and how much
money we have in our pocket. We can be in
relationships because we want to be, not because we have
to be. That we can live in an area where
we like the school districts and where it's low crime.
You know, all these kinds of things matter no matter
who you are. It's nonpartisan. And so for me, it
was always about making progress on the issues, and I
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wanted to organize us out of business. And a big
revelation for me was when my feminist mentor who has
since passed away, and I'd approached her and said, look,
it seems like sometimes we're making things worse on a
particular issue, et cetera. And she said yeah, and she
said this very seriously, and it was like the kind
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of indoctrination that happens is that she said, you know,
it's important sometimes to pour salt into the wound, because
then we would always be needed. You don't want to
be you know, you don't want to organize yourself out
of business because eventually we'll be needed again, and then
where will people be? And I thought to myself. Then
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it occurred to me, there are a series of moments
like that where this was a money making business. This
was about power. It wasn't about solving a problem. It
was just another aspect of control which I wanted to,
you know, address. But one of the themes that I
saw and not even really understood at the time, but
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now I do, and I think most of us do,
is the use of fear and threats and intimidation to
control the population at large. And you know, the most
recent thing we experienced, of course, was COVID, but it's
been going on on much longer than that. COVID was
just they got sloppy and excited and there was a
lot of hubris in their attitude.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It was amazing how quickly we were willing to give
up our rights for out of fear, well for your
own safety.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Because we've been trained, starting with political correctness and the
changing of language. Oh, you know, you don't want to
call that a manhole cover, that'll that's insulting, it leaves
out women, Or you don't want to say fireman. You
don't you know, there's there were a lot of words.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're so right.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's amazing to me too, just a generation away from me,
how I will say things people are like, oh, you
can't say that, and I'm like why why?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And it's not an offensive thing.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right, But you see, that's the training, that's the brainwashing,
it's the gas lighting. So it starts with baby steps,
and we got used to this idea that even our
thoughts or a word we might use could be dangerous
and so we should be careful. And that's where we
got trained to the idea that somebody else's subjective experience
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was our responsibility, that that person could make the determination
if you were bad based on how they felt. So
then we move into issues like hate crimes, and then
of course identity politics became all the rage. We began
to more accept this idea that we were better off
in bulkanized little groups segregated away from each other. That too,
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makes it easier to then set people upon each other,
because you're looking at a group as opposed to individuals.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, you've probably seen this latest video from the White
Women for Kamala Harris, which I.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Think is crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
If we had white women for Trump, people would know
bonkers about that, like, how could you possibly segregate people?
And I don't even think I don't even think that way,
you know, I don't think that way. But then you
have these women that are talking to you like you're
a baby, and they're like, now, don't ever do this
and don't ever do that, And I think, why does
this work? But they have huge following.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Let me tell you the that's the racism, the patronizing,
this idea that the great white Savior has to come
in here and be able to manage. Because one of
the meetings said black women can't do this on their own.
It's like, really, maybe they could.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I never thought about it that way, but you're right
they because they're like, we are the ones that are higher.
I mean, if you're listening to their language, we use
your privilege.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You are in this fantastic position. How discussed it?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, aren't we great that we're going to come
over here and lift up this little baby so they
can have a chance. Now, what I do know I
came from the left for a reason. Working together works.
You're right, unions before being hijacked, like everything being hijacked
by the left. There's power in being able to negotiate
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as a collective entity. Social action works. We saw that
with the Budlight boycott, even though that was unorganized, but
you see there is a benefit to that. The left,
of course comes in like a parasite and hijacks these
things and then ruins them, and they do that all
around the world. So what we're seeing now with the
Harris campaign, with that perfect example you gave it was
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like white men and white women. This is a perfect
illustration of this separating people out, which implies that we
are different because of our skin color, that we belong
to different tribes, and that is the easiest way to
dehumanize people, or in the case of what we are watching,
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the general racism that was being espoused. So all of
this is reinforcing. The core element of this is the
issue of fear. The fear of being called a name,
the fear being told you're a bigot, the fear of
not doing enough, the fear of what having been responsible
for this Global warming is of course the perfect example
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identity politics COVID the issue of now we're told, you know,
the first victims are democrats, as we've been seeing, But
when you're told that the planet is going to die
in twelve years because you're breathing air and use straws
that can clearly causes panic among people, but these are
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far off threats that they don't need to really quite prove,
but they create an existential fear that then and the
reason this is done is that it's not fear itself.
If I may say, that is a gift, but it's
meant to be transitory, it says a woman. If you're
on the subway platform or somewhere else and you get
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your spidy sense kicks in and you feel that something
is off, or you're out, you're on a date with somebody,
and it's like, yeah, no, this is not right. That
is your fear operating instinctually to give you a heads
up that you need to use your logical mind to
make a difference. What the Left has done, Tutor, is
it's a weaponized fear to make it chronic, which is
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completely unnatural. And then that moves into mass anxiety. And
when you're in those states, you tend to retreat because
you're in a fight or flight mode and you kind
of the fleeing is to be isolated and you and
it's dangerous to engage because you don't know, you could
get fired from misgendering someone. You you could get you know,
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kill grandma by going outside and you know, meeting up
with four friends. You're not wearing a mask, You're you're
using a straw. You know, these weird things create a
compliance and amliability among the populace because they're emergencies.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
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of push of climate change and you know, we're causing
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problems and there's a danger and environmental agencies and all
of this, and to a certain extent, like yes, of
course we've changed the way we manufacture, we're very clean.
Those are all good things. But you you the fear,
the constant fear makes you look the other way when
they do things. So just last week in Michigan they
signed a bill that now our environmental agency has emergency powers.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Imagine of course what happens now?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Right, So I feel sometimes like peat bog Man, you know,
emerging after ten thousand years in the peat bog in England.
It's like, what's going on? But yeah, because things move
so quickly. But that's exactly right. And then Jennet Yellen
was in Brazil like last week saying, you know, we've
got to reach carbon zero by twenty fifty and that's
going to cost about seventy eight trillion dollars. What's what
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are you talking about we're already near bankruptcy. But it
is the excuse. There's several things that work. We retreat
and we're afraid to say no because then we'll be
a bigot, or we hate the pandas and you know,
we want kittens to die, et cetera. Or you know,
how do you defend against a negative when it's racism
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is systemic, which also creates a big fear because then
that tells you if you're a Democrat, or a person
of color or just you know, a decent American, it's like,
well wait a minute, then it can't be solved. And
that's the point. That's the point.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And you talk about being cut off, the social isolation.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And I want to say I met with friends just
a couple of weeks ago and I hadn't seen them
since my campaign, and one of them honestly said, I
just have to ask do you have any friends? And
I thought, what a threatening thing to say, But I
mean it's really true, because people do. The fear cuts
you off, like I can't associate with this person.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Even after the campaign.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I had a person who had supported the campaign say
I'd like you to come and work for the company
now that you're not going to be governor. You know,
we need you to do something else and we want
to support you. And I went and met with his CEO,
and the CEO said, I can't hire year too public
of a politician. Now I can't have a Republican on.
And so it's like you are, you are putting a
bucket of you are untouched. Now there's you've got the
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stink on you what.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You see And that's again that also is one of
the side effects, if not a direct intentional effect. And
amongst especially I've got a lot of friends still in
the liberal gay community and people that I was an
activist with, and the and the thing is there is
that you have a community that is the family for
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the people in that community that sometimes you you you know,
you're strange from your family, but it is very intensely
drawn in. And one of the unsaid threats is you
will be shunned if you don't continue to conform. So
and I you know, I've mentioned we have, you know,
our own dinners and stuff, and they get it because
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if the whole thing is about freedom and saving democracy
and being able to be your own person, whatever that
might be, if you were to say, oh yeah, I'm like,
I'm liking Donald Trump this round. And my question to
them is would you be invited back? You're being you're
not conforming, you're your own person, You're you know, maybe
you're a Christian, you know what what what would it
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be like if you said you were going to support
Donald Trump and it was like we we could. That
would be too frightening because we would be shunned. So
they're operating within a false construct in their own world
because part of the threat, part of the fear is
you know, this is my family, this is my last family.
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I can't lose them. And so you have a lot
of fake we want to talk about fake news. You've
got a lot of internal fake relationships because people are
pretending and they know they can't step out of line.
So my book, uh, you know, with everything going on,
it's not just politics, it's also about personal relationships, et cetera.
Is the construct of weaponized fear. Chronic fear is false
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that what we're feeling now is artificial, It is not organic,
and it can be defeated because what it does is
is it kind of crushes our internal understanding about courage
and where did we see courage last in a very
public way at the assassination attempt, not just with Trump
and his manner when he got up, but he said
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in an interview that he did that and he was
you know, he knew we had to speak out because
he saw that the crowd had not left, that there
was no stampede. So here you have a crowd of
thirty forty thousand people, there have been at least a
dozen gun shots.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The president people shot, well.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yes, and but the people are saying some people are
realizing others have been injured. But you know, at the
very least that there's been gunshots. Normally in a crowd
that's outdoors would have stampeded away. It's natural. It's instinct
that crowd did not because it was him, and when
he saw it was like a you know, a back
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and forth there about sharing the courage, about courage being contagious.
That is what we're talking about. It's not about not
being afraid, it's about recognizing it, using that in its
temporary state to make logical and better decisions. We can do.
This is you know what it's like, Tutor, what's happening
in our country with this with the government et cetera.
(16:20):
Is that it's like domestic violence writ large, affecting our
self esteem, our sense of reality. We're told that we
will have to be punished if we don't conform, that
bad things will happen if you don't do as they say.
And then you know, and then there's constant threats. You've
got FBI visiting you if you're a mom and you
went to a school board meeting, or you get put
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on the no fly list, or you're a white supremacist.
You know, it's it's an astounding series events of events
that has It's an ancient technique, by the way, it's
not new, and that's why when you look, the benefit
is when you know that that's happening, it's even easier
to like not let it get into you. And that's
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my goal is to make sure people know what this is.
And I have some recommendations packs that I call them
with ourselves because this is personal to be even better
at not letting this infect us.
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We'll have more with Tammy Bruce after this. The number
one issue among young people, especially college age people, and
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it's something that I think is fascinating because it wasn't
something anybody really even thought about when I was in college.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Of course, there were no cell phones, there was no
social media.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know, life was a heck of a lot easier
when you didn't have all of this thrown at you.
But now I look at you young people, and even
the young people in my life, they're so drawn into it,
and it's it to them is constant fight or flight
because it's life for death all the time. And yet
the conversations that you really need to be having you
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can't have with them.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So when I talk to people about well, they're like.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Oh my gosh, how could you like so and so
They said this, and so and so said that, and
it's so damaging, and I just I want to go
to Kamala Harris because she's new and she's young, and
she's different, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like, well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What policies do you like?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There, Well it's not the other side, and they instantly
come out with that you're a threat, and I was
a threat, you know, that's what they called me.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
They called me constantly a threat.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And Gretchen Wimmer still will refer to me as an
extremist and a threat and all this stuff. And it's
powerful because once you're a threat, then you're shut down.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
People are like, oh my gosh, a threat.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Must be eliminated. And I think they learned that with
what you talk about with Donald Trump and that assassination attempt,
because if you say it enough, people feel so desperate.
The constant stress, the constant anxiety, the constant fear. I
have to eliminate threats, right, Eventually something really bad happens.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And you do it, and again it stops your rational mind,
so you don't It's like we're on a roller coaster
and everyone's hanging on. And that when you hear a
trigger word like that, that person's an extremist. Well we
use that word for terrorists, yes, And so that you
don't need to think about it when you're in that
fight or flight mode. You just need to act and
that you know, this is what you've got with you know,
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crooks on the building there in Pennsylvania, inevitably separate from
any politics. The wider problem is this rhetoric affects everyone
who's mentally unstable. It affects those of us who aren't
mentally unstable. But it's like the guy that intended to
murder Justice Kavanaugh, same situation. If you hear something enough
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and that there's one person that society has deemed the threat,
and that no matter even if maybe you're not political,
but you are emotionally moved by that instinctually, and then
you're going to take action. In addition to maybe also
being suicidal, maybe you're just literally in a zombie mode
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and you know when it comes. And in my book,
I go through not just the history of this as
a political tactic, but the psychology of why this works.
And you mentioned social media and young people. Look now
we've got this epidemic of mental illness with young people
because the fight or flight is not just about Kamala
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Harris and Gretchen Whitmer calling everybody an extremists that they
don't like. But it is the attacks in comments, it's
the judgment, it's pictures and filters, it's afraid of being
rejected or not meeting some kind of unmeetable standard. You know,
the story of women, you know, from the beginning of
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time is this effort to try to make things work
or fit or be what people expect you to be
in order to not be beaten or abandoned. And so
it's the twenty first century and you've got young you've
got girls and boys. Look mostly it's about girls and
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image that the fear of not fitting in, the fear
of not delivering. It was bad enough if you were
a cheerleader or if you were a tutor, or if
the kids were relying on you, you were running for
class president or whatever, but add in now this global
threat of shunning or being abandoned, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, and I think that the Left has done a
great job of creating that emotion inside of people, but
then having an operation, a true business behind it, being
able to go on the ground, go door to door
and gather people and have folks on college campuses. I mean,
they create the atmosphere, but then they have the business
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behind it to show up with the numbers to get
the people across the line politically, and to me, that's
and they have the media, and so the media is
also fanning the flames here and helping to get people
out to the to the polls. And I think that
Republicans have kind of messed up on this because they'll
seize on an emotional issue and oftentimes not a good
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emotional issue, and then they don't have the ground game
to back it up.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They don't have the organization behind.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
They're not the community organizers, you know, we're not the
Obamas of the of the country. And it ends up
backfiring even bigger for Republicans. It seems like we haven't
figured this out yet well.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
And it's because the left of what I did all
the time, whatever MED was doing all the time, was
organizing on an issue, and that is so easy to
translate into an actual political campaign. I mean the Republicans,
you know, there's there's and it's really a different kind
of mindset. Republicans are thinking about issues, They're thinking about governing,
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They're thinking about how to make a city work, They're
thinking about how to improve the quality of people's lives
with lower taxes, and how can we make the future
look better. That the left is thinking, how can we
make this an issue right now? And fundraise and frighten
the pants off people and get them to a place
to do a demonstration. And that takes the good.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
They's all the good in it.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's all they do. And so the right conservatives and
we see this now finally with Trump. And the reason
we see it with Trump is because he has naturally
from the start been able to bring people to him.
That is a new thing with Republicans, this idea that
you can fill a stadium with people. And then the
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problem in the beginning was, but they kind of understood
a little bit, was how do you get the names
and numbers of those people? And now emails of course,
and that's what Kamala Harris was doing in Atlanta with
that concert from the Twerking Girl people who you know,
it was like people, it's like, oh, what's this? Is
this what Kamala Harris represents? No, no, no, no, no.
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There were a lot thousands and thousands of people, ten thousand,
it was a huge thing. But they weren't there for Harris.
They were there for that performer. But in the meantime,
the Harris campaign got their numbers, so they got people
who are willing to come out for a performance and
that's what matters, especially now, and she looked the down
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ballot for the Democrats with Biden was going to be apocalyptic.
And because they some stories are the Democrat Party couldn't
even because there's such a low level of enthusiasm, they
were having trouble getting people to phone bank and knock
on doors. It's not just about getting them out to vote.
So that's what Harris is doing, and that's what the
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left does. The right under now Laura Trump and the
Trump organization itself. This that different mentality is not just
about almost in a way, the Republicans are, you know,
all right, well, at least we're really good opposition. We're
fine being the minority opposition. And they just accept that.
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And part of it is because they're wobbly. It's it's
you know, it's like, well, as long as everything's okay
and it's you know, then it becomes never trumpers. And
you know it's in Liz Cheney, you know, going off
and people saying, oh, yeah, we're Nikki Haley voters for Kamala.
It's like, you know, the edibles down for a minute.
I mean, thank for a freaking second here. But that
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shows you what Americans why we're in such trouble because
there has not been a commitment to the nature as
Reagan would have told us, to the real nature of
what conservatism is. And it's not that wobbly thing. So
it looks like that transition has been made and now
the Trump team, I think we'll see a better get
out the vote effort, We'll see better local organizing. There
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is the enthusiasm, and we have to hope and pray.
Prayer is powerful that the American people understand what's really
at stake.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Right absolutely, And that's actually one of the things that
I think is most important to talk to people about
when they don't talk about those bread meat issues, because
that turns when you're trying to talk to somebody who's
in the middle, if you talk about the far right issues,
that's going to turn them off.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I think that's been the.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Struggle that we have had, is to say, hey, well
wait a minute, let's talk about world peace. What does
it really look like? And why did a Ran suddenly
go after Israel? And how are they paying all these people? Well,
sanctions mean something, all these things, you know, people don't
they don't understand the intricacies, and that's why you have
to go, well, hey, are you really willing to have
a conversation. We have to get to the point where
(27:44):
we're willing to have a conversation. And I think people now,
I think there's a lot of people in the middle
that are and I hope that we're able to meet
them where they are and have that conversation. And I
hope that people will get your book and have some
understanding of what it means to like be real by fear.
So I want to talk a little bit about that
and where people can find it.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yes, well, you know, it's just one of the one
of the easiest things in the world. And I don't
think people know this in the moment, but whenever you've
had a big burden that you've been carrying around, we
adjust to it so easily because we have to that
you don't even know that it was there until it's gone.
And maybe it's you know, it can manifest anyway in
(28:26):
our personal lives, but operating in fear is one of
those kinds of things that chronic fear, the anxiety. You know,
I don't know who doesn't have anxiety. With what's been
going on. We're all affected by this and it's something
that just seems to become normal, and that's what the
left wants. But part of what this book argues is
that now I'll give you My first pact is telling people.
(28:48):
And it's a simple you know, decision making is powerful,
but real decisions. It's not about thinking about something, but
deciding is that we must decide to stop letting strangers
dictate how we feel about ourselves, because that's one of
the techniques of the left. You hear it all the
time that you're a bigot, you're a racist, you're unkind,
(29:09):
You've got to be careful because your existence is the problem.
And you know, it's you begin to think, well, and
I've got some stories in the book about you know,
hearing from people who eventually become they believe it. They
believe that the liberals, the Democrats are more socially, you know, better,
or superior. But the fact of the matter is, of
(29:29):
course people's lives are destroyed under the left. That is
not a moral high ground. But the first thing is
that if somebody yells at you you're a racist, our
inclination is to think, well, wait a minute, why did
that person think that. Maybe I've got to consider what
I've been doing. No, no, no, no, that's a stranger,
even if it's a family member. I always recommend that
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if you're called a name like you're a bigot, or
you're a white supremacist, or you're a racist. Ooh, take
it as though that person called you a cocker spaniel.
Well you would not immediately, tutor look at your ass
to look for that tale. You know, you have no tail.
And I think if I had ears, maybe they'd be
lovely ear floppy ears. I don't know, but I don't
(30:11):
have a reaction because I know it's not true. Is
relook at yourself and re embrace the nature of who
you are, your values, your decency, know it and with
no apologies, so that when those names get yelled at you.
Boy I get it all the time on the TV,
it does not move you into a reactive emotional state.
(30:34):
That's one example, but I think that that's how to
do it. And the moment. I tell one personal story
which you'll get the book to read about, about a
stalker I had that it was a stranger's intervention in
a moment during a prop a crisis that broke the spell.
And that's what I call it. It's a spell under
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it breaks the spell. It is a very weak state
of mind, interestingly, which is why the less always has
to keep reinforcing it. So all of this history, the
philosophy of it, how it works, and what we can
do about it is in the book. I'm very proud
of it. I have to say. I think it's a
culmination of what I've experienced, and I really hope it
helps people. You can get it wherever books are sold Amazon.
(31:16):
It's also on the kindle. There's the audiobook of which
I've read because I'm talking and I can't shut up.
And local bookstores wherever you get your books, you can
get it.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Wonderful. Oh, I suggest everybody get it. I think we
need to start thinking that way.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I love what you just said about the cocker spaniel
because when you run for hours, you certainly feel like
how do you even respond?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And that's perfect. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Thank you for all of your insight today, Jamie Bruce.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Thank you great being with you.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So wonderful, and thank you all for joining us on
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Speaker 2 (31:56):
Have a blessed day,
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we have Tammy
Bruce with us. She is a Fox News contributor and
the author of the book of Fear Itself, Exposing the Left's.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Mind killing agenda. Tammy, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thanks for asking me. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It's fine, No, it's great because I was actually just
talking to some people today in West Michigan who are like,
how is the left doing this? They just don't understand it,
And so I wanted to get into your book. You
are a former liberal, So how is it happening? Why
are we not good at this?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, you know, it's interesting because you know, this is
one good thing about the internet is that you get
a lot more information. But then also bad guys can
use it to indoctrinate and to confuse, and you know
we're seeing that right now with the remake of Kamala Harris.
It's like a big production. It's it's bread and circuses.
But the book in particular, I was really a cart
(00:55):
pusher on the left. I was the president of the
National Organization for Women in Los Angeles, and you know
it's because the issues matter to me. I wanted to
make a difference on things like violence against women, domestic
violence in general, the economy. Right, obviously, we're all very
much impacted by the choices we can make based on
(01:15):
how much money's in our bank account and how much
money we have in our pocket. We can be in
relationships because we want to be, not because we have
to be. That we can live in an area where
we like the school districts and where it's low crime.
You know, all these kinds of things matter no matter
who you are. It's nonpartisan. And so for me, it
was always about making progress on the issues, and I
(01:39):
wanted to organize us out of business. And a big
revelation for me was when my feminist mentor who has
since passed away, and I'd approached her and said, look,
it seems like sometimes we're making things worse on a
particular issue, et cetera. And she said yeah, and she
said this very seriously, and it was like the kind
(02:00):
of indoctrination that happens is that she said, you know,
it's important sometimes to pour salt into the wound, because
then we would always be needed. You don't want to
be you know, you don't want to organize yourself out
of business because eventually we'll be needed again, and then
where will people be? And I thought to myself. Then
(02:23):
it occurred to me, there are a series of moments
like that where this was a money making business. This
was about power. It wasn't about solving a problem. It
was just another aspect of control which I wanted to,
you know, address. But one of the themes that I
saw and not even really understood at the time, but
(02:46):
now I do, and I think most of us do,
is the use of fear and threats and intimidation to
control the population at large. And you know, the most
recent thing we experienced, of course, was COVID, but it's
been going on on much longer than that. COVID was
just they got sloppy and excited and there was a
lot of hubris in their attitude.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It was amazing how quickly we were willing to give
up our rights for out of fear, well for your
own safety.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Because we've been trained, starting with political correctness and the
changing of language. Oh, you know, you don't want to
call that a manhole cover, that'll that's insulting, it leaves
out women, Or you don't want to say fireman. You
don't you know, there's there were a lot of words.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're so right.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's amazing to me too, just a generation away from me,
how I will say things people are like, oh, you
can't say that, and I'm like why why?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And it's not an offensive thing.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right, But you see, that's the training, that's the brainwashing,
it's the gas lighting. So it starts with baby steps,
and we got used to this idea that even our
thoughts or a word we might use could be dangerous
and so we should be careful. And that's where we
got trained to the idea that somebody else's subjective experience
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was our responsibility, that that person could make the determination
if you were bad based on how they felt. So
then we move into issues like hate crimes, and then
of course identity politics became all the rage. We began
to more accept this idea that we were better off
in bulkanized little groups segregated away from each other. That too,
(04:24):
makes it easier to then set people upon each other,
because you're looking at a group as opposed to individuals.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, you've probably seen this latest video from the White
Women for Kamala Harris, which I.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Think is crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
If we had white women for Trump, people would know
bonkers about that, like, how could you possibly segregate people?
And I don't even think I don't even think that way,
you know, I don't think that way. But then you
have these women that are talking to you like you're
a baby, and they're like, now, don't ever do this
and don't ever do that, And I think, why does
this work? But they have huge following.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Let me tell you the that's the racism, the patronizing,
this idea that the great white Savior has to come
in here and be able to manage. Because one of
the meetings said black women can't do this on their own.
It's like, really, maybe they could.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I never thought about it that way, but you're right
they because they're like, we are the ones that are higher.
I mean, if you're listening to their language, we use
your privilege.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You are in this fantastic position. How discussed it?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, aren't we great that we're going to come
over here and lift up this little baby so they
can have a chance. Now, what I do know I
came from the left for a reason. Working together works.
You're right, unions before being hijacked, like everything being hijacked
by the left. There's power in being able to negotiate
(05:53):
as a collective entity. Social action works. We saw that
with the Budlight boycott, even though that was unorganized, but
you see there is a benefit to that. The left,
of course comes in like a parasite and hijacks these
things and then ruins them, and they do that all
around the world. So what we're seeing now with the
Harris campaign, with that perfect example you gave it was
(06:14):
like white men and white women. This is a perfect
illustration of this separating people out, which implies that we
are different because of our skin color, that we belong
to different tribes, and that is the easiest way to
dehumanize people, or in the case of what we are watching,
(06:34):
the general racism that was being espoused. So all of
this is reinforcing. The core element of this is the
issue of fear. The fear of being called a name,
the fear being told you're a bigot, the fear of
not doing enough, the fear of what having been responsible
for this Global warming is of course the perfect example
(06:58):
identity politics COVID the issue of now we're told, you know,
the first victims are democrats, as we've been seeing, But
when you're told that the planet is going to die
in twelve years because you're breathing air and use straws
that can clearly causes panic among people, but these are
(07:20):
far off threats that they don't need to really quite prove,
but they create an existential fear that then and the
reason this is done is that it's not fear itself.
If I may say, that is a gift, but it's
meant to be transitory, it says a woman. If you're
on the subway platform or somewhere else and you get
(07:42):
your spidy sense kicks in and you feel that something
is off, or you're out, you're on a date with somebody,
and it's like, yeah, no, this is not right. That
is your fear operating instinctually to give you a heads
up that you need to use your logical mind to
make a difference. What the Left has done, Tutor, is
it's a weaponized fear to make it chronic, which is
(08:05):
completely unnatural. And then that moves into mass anxiety. And
when you're in those states, you tend to retreat because
you're in a fight or flight mode and you kind
of the fleeing is to be isolated and you and
it's dangerous to engage because you don't know, you could
get fired from misgendering someone. You you could get you know,
(08:27):
kill grandma by going outside and you know, meeting up
with four friends. You're not wearing a mask, You're you're
using a straw. You know, these weird things create a
compliance and amliability among the populace because they're emergencies.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
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of push of climate change and you know, we're causing
(10:49):
problems and there's a danger and environmental agencies and all
of this, and to a certain extent, like yes, of
course we've changed the way we manufacture, we're very clean.
Those are all good things. But you you the fear,
the constant fear makes you look the other way when
they do things. So just last week in Michigan they
signed a bill that now our environmental agency has emergency powers.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Imagine of course what happens now?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Right, So I feel sometimes like peat bog Man, you know,
emerging after ten thousand years in the peat bog in England.
It's like, what's going on? But yeah, because things move
so quickly. But that's exactly right. And then Jennet Yellen
was in Brazil like last week saying, you know, we've
got to reach carbon zero by twenty fifty and that's
going to cost about seventy eight trillion dollars. What's what
(11:40):
are you talking about we're already near bankruptcy. But it
is the excuse. There's several things that work. We retreat
and we're afraid to say no because then we'll be
a bigot, or we hate the pandas and you know,
we want kittens to die, et cetera. Or you know,
how do you defend against a negative when it's racism
(12:01):
is systemic, which also creates a big fear because then
that tells you if you're a Democrat, or a person
of color or just you know, a decent American, it's like,
well wait a minute, then it can't be solved. And
that's the point. That's the point.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And you talk about being cut off, the social isolation.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And I want to say I met with friends just
a couple of weeks ago and I hadn't seen them
since my campaign, and one of them honestly said, I
just have to ask do you have any friends? And
I thought, what a threatening thing to say, But I
mean it's really true, because people do. The fear cuts
you off, like I can't associate with this person.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Even after the campaign.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I had a person who had supported the campaign say
I'd like you to come and work for the company
now that you're not going to be governor. You know,
we need you to do something else and we want
to support you. And I went and met with his CEO,
and the CEO said, I can't hire year too public
of a politician. Now I can't have a Republican on.
And so it's like you are, you are putting a
bucket of you are untouched. Now there's you've got the
(13:01):
stink on you what.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You see And that's again that also is one of
the side effects, if not a direct intentional effect. And
amongst especially I've got a lot of friends still in
the liberal gay community and people that I was an
activist with, and the and the thing is there is
that you have a community that is the family for
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the people in that community that sometimes you you you know,
you're strange from your family, but it is very intensely
drawn in. And one of the unsaid threats is you
will be shunned if you don't continue to conform. So
and I you know, I've mentioned we have, you know,
our own dinners and stuff, and they get it because
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if the whole thing is about freedom and saving democracy
and being able to be your own person, whatever that
might be, if you were to say, oh yeah, I'm like,
I'm liking Donald Trump this round. And my question to
them is would you be invited back? You're being you're
not conforming, you're your own person, You're you know, maybe
you're a Christian, you know what what what would it
(14:09):
be like if you said you were going to support
Donald Trump and it was like we we could. That
would be too frightening because we would be shunned. So
they're operating within a false construct in their own world
because part of the threat, part of the fear is
you know, this is my family, this is my last family.
(14:29):
I can't lose them. And so you have a lot
of fake we want to talk about fake news. You've
got a lot of internal fake relationships because people are
pretending and they know they can't step out of line.
So my book, uh, you know, with everything going on,
it's not just politics, it's also about personal relationships, et cetera.
Is the construct of weaponized fear. Chronic fear is false
(14:53):
that what we're feeling now is artificial, It is not organic,
and it can be defeated because what it does is
is it kind of crushes our internal understanding about courage
and where did we see courage last in a very
public way at the assassination attempt, not just with Trump
and his manner when he got up, but he said
(15:16):
in an interview that he did that and he was
you know, he knew we had to speak out because
he saw that the crowd had not left, that there
was no stampede. So here you have a crowd of
thirty forty thousand people, there have been at least a
dozen gun shots.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The president people shot, well.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yes, and but the people are saying some people are
realizing others have been injured. But you know, at the
very least that there's been gunshots. Normally in a crowd
that's outdoors would have stampeded away. It's natural. It's instinct
that crowd did not because it was him, and when
he saw it was like a you know, a back
(15:57):
and forth there about sharing the courage, about courage being contagious.
That is what we're talking about. It's not about not
being afraid, it's about recognizing it, using that in its
temporary state to make logical and better decisions. We can do.
This is you know what it's like, Tutor, what's happening
in our country with this with the government et cetera.
(16:20):
Is that it's like domestic violence writ large, affecting our
self esteem, our sense of reality. We're told that we
will have to be punished if we don't conform, that
bad things will happen if you don't do as they say.
And then you know, and then there's constant threats. You've
got FBI visiting you if you're a mom and you
went to a school board meeting, or you get put
(16:42):
on the no fly list, or you're a white supremacist.
You know, it's it's an astounding series events of events
that has It's an ancient technique, by the way, it's
not new, and that's why when you look, the benefit
is when you know that that's happening, it's even easier
to like not let it get into you. And that's
(17:05):
my goal is to make sure people know what this is.
And I have some recommendations packs that I call them
with ourselves because this is personal to be even better
at not letting this infect us.
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one issue among young people, especially college age people, and
(18:45):
it's something that I think is fascinating because it wasn't
something anybody really even thought about when I was in college.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Of course, there were no cell phones, there was no
social media.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know, life was a heck of a lot easier
when you didn't have all of this thrown at you.
But now I look at you young people, and even
the young people in my life, they're so drawn into it,
and it's it to them is constant fight or flight
because it's life for death all the time. And yet
the conversations that you really need to be having you
(19:14):
can't have with them.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So when I talk to people about well, they're like.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Oh my gosh, how could you like so and so
They said this, and so and so said that, and
it's so damaging, and I just I want to go
to Kamala Harris because she's new and she's young, and
she's different, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like, well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What policies do you like?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There, Well it's not the other side, and they instantly
come out with that you're a threat, and I was
a threat, you know, that's what they called me.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
They called me constantly a threat.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And Gretchen Wimmer still will refer to me as an
extremist and a threat and all this stuff. And it's
powerful because once you're a threat, then you're shut down.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
People are like, oh my gosh, a threat.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Must be eliminated. And I think they learned that with
what you talk about with Donald Trump and that assassination attempt,
because if you say it enough, people feel so desperate.
The constant stress, the constant anxiety, the constant fear. I
have to eliminate threats, right, Eventually something really bad happens.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And you do it, and again it stops your rational mind,
so you don't It's like we're on a roller coaster
and everyone's hanging on. And that when you hear a
trigger word like that, that person's an extremist. Well we
use that word for terrorists, yes, And so that you
don't need to think about it when you're in that
fight or flight mode. You just need to act and
that you know, this is what you've got with you know,
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crooks on the building there in Pennsylvania, inevitably separate from
any politics. The wider problem is this rhetoric affects everyone
who's mentally unstable. It affects those of us who aren't
mentally unstable. But it's like the guy that intended to
murder Justice Kavanaugh, same situation. If you hear something enough
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and that there's one person that society has deemed the threat,
and that no matter even if maybe you're not political,
but you are emotionally moved by that instinctually, and then
you're going to take action. In addition to maybe also
being suicidal, maybe you're just literally in a zombie mode
(21:17):
and you know when it comes. And in my book,
I go through not just the history of this as
a political tactic, but the psychology of why this works.
And you mentioned social media and young people. Look now
we've got this epidemic of mental illness with young people
because the fight or flight is not just about Kamala
(21:37):
Harris and Gretchen Whitmer calling everybody an extremists that they
don't like. But it is the attacks in comments, it's
the judgment, it's pictures and filters, it's afraid of being
rejected or not meeting some kind of unmeetable standard. You know,
the story of women, you know, from the beginning of
(21:58):
time is this effort to try to make things work
or fit or be what people expect you to be
in order to not be beaten or abandoned. And so
it's the twenty first century and you've got young you've
got girls and boys. Look mostly it's about girls and
(22:19):
image that the fear of not fitting in, the fear
of not delivering. It was bad enough if you were
a cheerleader or if you were a tutor, or if
the kids were relying on you, you were running for
class president or whatever, but add in now this global
threat of shunning or being abandoned, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, and I think that the Left has done a
great job of creating that emotion inside of people, but
then having an operation, a true business behind it, being
able to go on the ground, go door to door
and gather people and have folks on college campuses. I mean,
they create the atmosphere, but then they have the business
(23:02):
behind it to show up with the numbers to get
the people across the line politically, and to me, that's
and they have the media, and so the media is
also fanning the flames here and helping to get people
out to the to the polls. And I think that
Republicans have kind of messed up on this because they'll
seize on an emotional issue and oftentimes not a good
(23:23):
emotional issue, and then they don't have the ground game
to back it up.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They don't have the organization behind.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
They're not the community organizers, you know, we're not the
Obamas of the of the country. And it ends up
backfiring even bigger for Republicans. It seems like we haven't
figured this out yet well.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
And it's because the left of what I did all
the time, whatever MED was doing all the time, was
organizing on an issue, and that is so easy to
translate into an actual political campaign. I mean the Republicans,
you know, there's there's and it's really a different kind
of mindset. Republicans are thinking about issues, They're thinking about governing,
(24:01):
They're thinking about how to make a city work, They're
thinking about how to improve the quality of people's lives
with lower taxes, and how can we make the future
look better. That the left is thinking, how can we
make this an issue right now? And fundraise and frighten
the pants off people and get them to a place
to do a demonstration. And that takes the good.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
They's all the good in it.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's all they do. And so the right conservatives and
we see this now finally with Trump. And the reason
we see it with Trump is because he has naturally
from the start been able to bring people to him.
That is a new thing with Republicans, this idea that
you can fill a stadium with people. And then the
(24:46):
problem in the beginning was, but they kind of understood
a little bit, was how do you get the names
and numbers of those people? And now emails of course,
and that's what Kamala Harris was doing in Atlanta with
that concert from the Twerking Girl people who you know,
it was like people, it's like, oh, what's this? Is
this what Kamala Harris represents? No, no, no, no, no.
(25:07):
There were a lot thousands and thousands of people, ten thousand,
it was a huge thing. But they weren't there for Harris.
They were there for that performer. But in the meantime,
the Harris campaign got their numbers, so they got people
who are willing to come out for a performance and
that's what matters, especially now, and she looked the down
(25:29):
ballot for the Democrats with Biden was going to be apocalyptic.
And because they some stories are the Democrat Party couldn't
even because there's such a low level of enthusiasm, they
were having trouble getting people to phone bank and knock
on doors. It's not just about getting them out to vote.
So that's what Harris is doing, and that's what the
(25:50):
left does. The right under now Laura Trump and the
Trump organization itself. This that different mentality is not just
about almost in a way, the Republicans are, you know,
all right, well, at least we're really good opposition. We're
fine being the minority opposition. And they just accept that.
(26:11):
And part of it is because they're wobbly. It's it's
you know, it's like, well, as long as everything's okay
and it's you know, then it becomes never trumpers. And
you know it's in Liz Cheney, you know, going off
and people saying, oh, yeah, we're Nikki Haley voters for Kamala.
It's like, you know, the edibles down for a minute.
I mean, thank for a freaking second here. But that
(26:35):
shows you what Americans why we're in such trouble because
there has not been a commitment to the nature as
Reagan would have told us, to the real nature of
what conservatism is. And it's not that wobbly thing. So
it looks like that transition has been made and now
the Trump team, I think we'll see a better get
out the vote effort, We'll see better local organizing. There
(26:58):
is the enthusiasm, and we have to hope and pray.
Prayer is powerful that the American people understand what's really
at stake.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Right absolutely, And that's actually one of the things that
I think is most important to talk to people about
when they don't talk about those bread meat issues, because
that turns when you're trying to talk to somebody who's
in the middle, if you talk about the far right issues,
that's going to turn them off.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I think that's been the.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Struggle that we have had, is to say, hey, well
wait a minute, let's talk about world peace. What does
it really look like? And why did a Ran suddenly
go after Israel? And how are they paying all these people? Well,
sanctions mean something, all these things, you know, people don't
they don't understand the intricacies, and that's why you have
to go, well, hey, are you really willing to have
a conversation. We have to get to the point where
(27:44):
we're willing to have a conversation. And I think people now,
I think there's a lot of people in the middle
that are and I hope that we're able to meet
them where they are and have that conversation. And I
hope that people will get your book and have some
understanding of what it means to like be real by fear.
So I want to talk a little bit about that
and where people can find it.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yes, well, you know, it's just one of the one
of the easiest things in the world. And I don't
think people know this in the moment, but whenever you've
had a big burden that you've been carrying around, we
adjust to it so easily because we have to that
you don't even know that it was there until it's gone.
And maybe it's you know, it can manifest anyway in
(28:26):
our personal lives, but operating in fear is one of
those kinds of things that chronic fear, the anxiety. You know,
I don't know who doesn't have anxiety. With what's been
going on. We're all affected by this and it's something
that just seems to become normal, and that's what the
left wants. But part of what this book argues is
that now I'll give you My first pact is telling people.
(28:48):
And it's a simple you know, decision making is powerful,
but real decisions. It's not about thinking about something, but
deciding is that we must decide to stop letting strangers
dictate how we feel about ourselves, because that's one of
the techniques of the left. You hear it all the
time that you're a bigot, you're a racist, you're unkind,
(29:09):
You've got to be careful because your existence is the problem.
And you know, it's you begin to think, well, and
I've got some stories in the book about you know,
hearing from people who eventually become they believe it. They
believe that the liberals, the Democrats are more socially, you know, better,
or superior. But the fact of the matter is, of
(29:29):
course people's lives are destroyed under the left. That is
not a moral high ground. But the first thing is
that if somebody yells at you you're a racist, our
inclination is to think, well, wait a minute, why did
that person think that. Maybe I've got to consider what
I've been doing. No, no, no, no, that's a stranger,
even if it's a family member. I always recommend that
(29:50):
if you're called a name like you're a bigot, or
you're a white supremacist, or you're a racist. Ooh, take
it as though that person called you a cocker spaniel.
Well you would not immediately, tutor look at your ass
to look for that tale. You know, you have no tail.
And I think if I had ears, maybe they'd be
lovely ear floppy ears. I don't know, but I don't
(30:11):
have a reaction because I know it's not true. Is
relook at yourself and re embrace the nature of who
you are, your values, your decency, know it and with
no apologies, so that when those names get yelled at you.
Boy I get it all the time on the TV,
it does not move you into a reactive emotional state.
(30:34):
That's one example, but I think that that's how to
do it. And the moment. I tell one personal story
which you'll get the book to read about, about a
stalker I had that it was a stranger's intervention in
a moment during a prop a crisis that broke the spell.
And that's what I call it. It's a spell under
(30:54):
it breaks the spell. It is a very weak state
of mind, interestingly, which is why the less always has
to keep reinforcing it. So all of this history, the
philosophy of it, how it works, and what we can
do about it is in the book. I'm very proud
of it. I have to say. I think it's a
culmination of what I've experienced, and I really hope it
helps people. You can get it wherever books are sold Amazon.
(31:16):
It's also on the kindle. There's the audiobook of which
I've read because I'm talking and I can't shut up.
And local bookstores wherever you get your books, you can
get it.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Wonderful. Oh, I suggest everybody get it. I think we
need to start thinking that way.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I love what you just said about the cocker spaniel
because when you run for hours, you certainly feel like
how do you even respond?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And that's perfect. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Thank you for all of your insight today, Jamie Bruce.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Thank you great being with you.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So wonderful, and thank you all for joining us on
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