March 25, 2025 • 61 mins
1.) Signal app security breach involving a group chat -Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of The Atlantic. -The importance of operational security and the potential political fallout. -Clay and Buck share personal anecdotes and insights into the use of encrypted communication apps, emphasizing the need for updated communication standards in defense industries. 2.) Ceasefire agreement between Ukraine and Russia in the Black Sea -Buck analyzes the potential impact on global trade and deflationary pressures. -Broader geopolitical implications and the role of diplomacy in resolving conflicts. 3.) A new low for Democrats -Rep. Jasmine Crockett's ableist remarks against Texas Governor Greg Abbott (hot wheels) -The history of Davey Crockett's name. -Who will run in 2028? -AOC is a political brand -Social media and it's influence in elections 4.) Dr. Laura Schlesinger, relationship expert -Marriage, life, and relationships. -The importance of family and parental relationships in addressing broader societal issues. -Clay and Buck's wives submit their questions for Dr. Laura -Impact of social media and smartphones on children's development. -Maintaining a healthy marriage, especially after having children, and the significance of physical affection and cuteness in a relationship.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us as we are rolling through
the Tuesday edition of the program. I promise that all
my texts are going to the right people as we
begin with the story of the day. So you know,
by the way, a part of me feels like I
(00:22):
should just bail on the show right now, Buck, because
we have doctor Laura, famous doctor Laura. Is it slashinger?
Is that her last name? I think, if I'm not mistaken,
many of you know doctor Laura. She's a relationship expert.
Producer Ali sent messages to our wives saying, hey, can
(00:43):
you potentially fill out, you know, do a thirty second
talkback question for doctor Laura relationship expert. I am told
that my wife said thirty seconds is not enough and
sent in a two minute long question, And a part
of me feels like, Buck, I should just I should
just wave right now and just go ahead and leave.
I have no idea what the question that my wife's
(01:06):
sent in was, but she needed two minutes instead of
thirty seconds. So anyway, that's our two our only guest today,
doctor Laura, featuring a question from my wife Laura and
your wife, Carrie like wanted less less, had less go.
She hasn't been married twenty years, but she has written
(01:27):
a question correct for doctor Laura. She preferred to just
write it out and I will read the question to
doctor Laura. So both of our wives took different different
pathways on this one. I would just say, though the
reason I know I did not I had heard of
doctor Laura before. I know she had a very big
show for a long time on radio. But it's because
sometimes my wife, like right after we got married, for example,
(01:49):
you know, Carrie would I would come home or there'd
be dinner on the table, and she would say things like, well,
you know, doctor Laura says. And I noticed this trend
of whenever Carrie would say doctor Laura says about a
relationship thing, I was like, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I like that. That's good. This is healthy. You think
she gives good advice in general, based on your experience,
excellent advice From my own experience of a wife who's
been listening to doctor Laura for many, many years, Everything
that she has picked up from doctor Laura, including some
of the tough love stuff, is you know for the audience,
is very solid.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well I'm excited for that. That is our two speaking
of tough love. All right, So, newest story, if you
have not heard, is that as we prepared to bomb
the uties, which by the way, I think was totally
the right decision to try to free up shipping lanes
and send a message Churon, there was a group chat.
(02:44):
Based on my research, Buck, you can correct me if
I'm wrong on any of these facts, I think there
were eighteen people involved in a group chat on the
Signal app, which is designed to be a high privacy
way to basically send text message. Is outside of doing
so from a regular cell phone network or an Apple
(03:06):
cell phone network, I would imagine most of you probably
are sending text messages and if you have an Apple
phone or an Apple device, they're blue. If you're sending
outside of the Apple universe, they're green. I don't know,
what do you think maybe ten percent of our audience
has downloaded the Signal app. The Signal app I have
it on my phone is sometimes ways that people I've
(03:28):
noticed it in media in particular, that want to communicate things,
but they don't want to send them on a traditional
text message network because they're concerned about somebody else surveilling them.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
For lack of a better way to describe this now
as end encryption. It's considered one of the better platforms
for privacy and security out there. But there's what's good
for your privacy and security versus what a nation state
entity can break into you and can surveil. Right, So
it's one thing for you and me to sit here
(04:04):
and say, well, I'm not worried about some random hacker
getting our information. It's a different thing to say, can
the Chinese communist parties intelligence apparatus get our information? That's
the question.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So in this I believe it was eighteen people accidentally,
but this is unfortunate. It appears National Security Advisor Mike
Waltz added Jonah Goldberg, who is the editor of The Atlantic,
and in general, probably there are a lot of people
you could have added the editor of Atlantic to this
(04:40):
group chat was not the person that you wanted to add.
And now that the price of eggs are back to normal,
remember that talking point. And now that the stock market
SMP five hundred at least is back above where it
was on election day, they need a new talking point
for Trump is awful, And the new talking point is
this encryption failure.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Did you say it's Jeffrey Goldberg. What did I call him?
I think you said Jonah, who has made jokes about
how he is not Jeffrey Goldberg. Jonah Goldberg is a
different media Goldberg. I thought you were making a joke there.
I was waiting for you to to point this out.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's Jeffrey Giliberg of The Atlantic, my bad, not the
actor from the Big Short Race. Is that the wrong guy,
Jonah Hill.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Get your Goldberg straight?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I am, I am, I am out to lunch here
already on the start anyway. This guy is the editor.
He's not a movie star. He is not a fat
person who has the same name Jonah that got skinny
and then got fat again because his career collapsed when
he got too skinny. This is not Jonah Hill, not
Jonah Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor at the Atlantic. All right,
(05:47):
So he is on this text thread and he decides
that he's going to write about the security failure for
The Atlantic? Does it yesterday afternoon, about time our show ended,
And so it has been the biggest story in the
last twenty four hours. Okay, so clearly I'm not the
intelligence expert here. Let me go to you first, Buck, Like,
(06:09):
we know Pete, we know JD, we know probably most
of the people on this text thread. You certainly know
everybody probably on this text Thug.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes, And then these are some of these individuals are
friends of ours and we just say that by way
of disclosure, or there are people that we are friends with,
have socialized with. So you know, I'm gonna be as
unbiased as I can in this situation. Right, But when
I'm talking about someone like Pete or Tulsi their friends,
they're patriots. I know where their heart is, I know
what they're trying to do for the country, and so
(06:38):
I comment everything from that perspective first. But let me
just I'll back back into this clay for a second.
First up, I don't want to help the Democrats in
any way in this moment in time by giving them
more than they should have in terms of political ammunition.
All right, So that's we are cognizant of that. Here
it was, as you mentioned, the price of eggs, all
the price of eggs, all the stock market. Now it's
(06:59):
all the national secuit. Please, they need to calm down,
take a step back and recognize that the situation they're
in right now as a political entity. The Democrats are
in this situation because their party went insane, and they
deserve exactly what they are going through right now. They
sort of excruciating humiliation of Trump doing all the things
(07:19):
that he's doing to better the country. Okay, they should
like it, but they don't. They find it humiliating. National
security and classification. Classification is broken down by the expected
possible harm that could be done due to unauthorized disclosure.
So I think that's an important foundational understanding of this. Right, So,
(07:40):
when you talk about confidential, secret, top secret, compartmented, these
things exist. They are separated based upon the sensitivity, generally
of the sources and methods of the collection. Right So,
if if some guy on the street somewhere shares his
opinion about whether there's going to be like another Arab
(08:00):
spring revolution, you know that's gonna be confidential, maybe because
if he told it to people in a public forum,
but you don't want his name to be out there
too much, or you know he set it out in public. Anyway,
you go all the way up the chain. If we
have some super secret squirrel laser from outer space that
could zap all of the information they have in like
the Kremlin. Okay, well that's going to be very high level.
(08:24):
The stuff that I have seen so far that they
have talked about here. We have to keep in mind
that Pete and others have said it's not classified. And
now here's the thing. I don't think that they would
lie about that because it's something it's something that Jeffrey
Goldberg got to be here. Jeffrey Goldberg could make them
look particularly foolish and dishonest on top of everything if
(08:47):
they said, oh, this isn't classified, and then he shares
the screenshots, which I'm sure he has. He's already shared
some that shows it is clearly classified. This information did
not get out before these strikes were taken. So from
a national security harm perspective, there was no harm. Let's
start with that. There was no harm. And you know,
(09:08):
Jeffrey Goldberg, I think recognized you are an American, like
this is important stuff. Do not mess with an impending
military strike because you think it'll get more clicks. That
is just that is true. That is fair. Right. He
didn't try to, and sometimes journalists really do, like The
New York Times has done things in the past where
I've said they are sabotaging American national security. I do
not think that that happened here, and I think that
(09:29):
that's to all of our benefit. And I'm not sure
that it could have happened because I'm not sure that
the information that could have been shared would have been
sensitive enough to change things around. So nothing bad happened
here in terms of US national security. The harm was
non realized. Whether it could have been realized or not
is a question whether there was anything classified in there. Okay, Clay.
(09:51):
Then we get to the next part of this, which
is operational security OPSEC. This is a blunder. Obviously, there's
no way around that. You don't want a journalist that
you don't know is on the text thread getting access
to anything that you're talking about as a senior policy official.
So this is where Trump has already come out and
said there was a lesson learned here, and you know,
(10:14):
we're going to tighten things up going forward. This is
not the oh my gosh Watergate moment that the media
is pretending that it is because they want to attack
the administration. I got still a lot of questions because
I'm a regular, you know, sort of not super sophisticated
person when it comes to sharing information like this. So
(10:38):
let me ask you this question, and I think we
can probably take some of the questions from listeners because
you're an expert in this. How much of.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
This buck is about the fact that it's very difficult
to get all of these people in one room when
they're presumably traveling all over the world.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And shouldn't we have a.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Method of communication given that these guys for the most part,
are around our age, people like you and me and
a lot of people our age are used to communicating
on rapid fashion in these group text chains, whether it's
serious things or not serious things. And to me it
oftentimes I would think would be difficult to get everybody
(11:21):
on secure lines so that eighteen people all over the
world could have a conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Does that make sense? This is where yeah, absolutely, this
is where operational security comes in. And I will say,
at my time in the CIA, this was taken incredibly
seriously and with good reason because we were doing we
the US government, maybe we the CIA, who knows we
were doing drone strikes. We were doing operational hits on
(11:47):
high value target you know, we were doing takedowns of
cells that we're going to try to blow up a
whole bunch of planes. I mean that there was and
we knew about that stuff before it was happening. Right,
if we're working with a partner nation, if Jaysack is
going to go in and do a raid, I mean,
look at something like the Binlanen raid for example. So
there was a need for operational security at a very
high level. We understood that everybody is always their own
(12:10):
really first and last line of classification and reality. Meaning
I'm not saying that that's technically true, but meaning you
determined in all of your communications. If I'm talking to
somebody on the phone and I'm not being careful, I
could bleed over into classified talk instantaneously. Right, So it's
on everybody to be protecting sensitive information all the time
(12:31):
who has access to it, Because there's no such thing
as I'm only this, I think goes to your question, Clay,
I'm only operating on the high side. I'm only operating
on classified networks. No, you have to be taking phone calls.
You have to be calling your wife or your husband
and saying I'm gonna be home late to night, honey. Right,
So you're always going to be interacting in the low
side of the high side classified an unclassified world. Did
(12:52):
they bleed over a little too much here? That's part
of that. That's a question that people are fighting over
right now. I haven't really seen much to suggest that
they did. And I and again I think that they
This isn't like they can get away with lying about
it because Goldberg would have had the screenshots. But do
you want there's more here?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I want to I just I have a layman's knowledge here,
and I actually just have a lot of questions. I
also think there are people out there. If you know
that you are on a group chat that you shouldn't
be on, shouldn't you leave it? Or tell people?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Like the fact that he stayed on this thing and
allowed all these text messages to come in seems suspect
to me as well.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well. Absolutely, But you know, journalists, it's interesting now because
you realize the journalists are really mostly activists. Clay and
I would say one thing that has always been it's
kind of funny to me is when people will say
to me that I'm talking to you know, we're off
the record here, right, And I sit there and I
go I have to say we're on the record for
(13:56):
if anyone's talking to me as a human being and
they think that they have my confident evidence, I don't
break that. I don't care, you know, government official, person
in my private life, you know whatever. If you think
you're talking to me Buck as a person that you
can trust, you can trust me. But journalists operate in
this other space if they get to determine what's in
the you know, what the public needs to know and not.
(14:18):
And what we find out is that really it's whether
it hurts my party or not, which is where the
Goldberg situation comes in. This is why I've never been
an anonymous source in any story that I'm aware of. Like,
if I'm going to be quoted, I just tell you
exactly what I think. For better or worse, I tell
you exactly what I think. I don't want to be
somebody who's giving an anonymous quote. I don't think I've
ever done it. And but yeah, to your point, let's
(14:41):
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. All Right,
good news coming out of Ukraine. As that continues to move,
we hope towards a resolution and a ceasefire. We are
talking about the Signal story, the discussion that involved Jeffrey Goldberg,
an Atlantic editor and writer, and some people including Brian.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Here. When we make a mistake, your job is not
to keep the story alive. Sometimes you should just shut
the f up app shape Brian send to me that email.
I have a very different opinion. I think our job
is to be honest with all of you about big stories,
and sometimes when big stories are being talked about in
(16:47):
a way that we think is dishonest, we should explain
to you why when you're getting on Facebook and you're
seeing somebody sharing a story that isn't representative of what
actually happened, or when you are out in about and
somebody in your social circle brings something up, we want
to make sure that you are well informed with every
(17:07):
possible argument. This is the biggest story of the day
so far, and I think we have a responsibility and
obligation to talk about it. Intelligently, even if it's not
the perfect story. And so.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You know, Brian, I appreciate the email, but my job
is to tell you exactly what I think good or bad.
And if you don't like that, there's lots of people
who will tell you only what you want to hear
every minute of every day. I think it will keep
you worse informed. But that's just I think a fundamental
disagreement that we have about what exactly we're doing here.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So I think I think that we always have, you know,
there are few things that we have to serve this
serve this audience daily, right, and that's always you know,
we just did an interview recently about crossing five hundred
and fifty five stations, you know, no big deal, and
Clay and I were talking to people in the media
about how, you know, we work for all of you
and day in and day out, and we want to
bring you the best information we can. So if you
(18:05):
listen to this show for an hour, you're gonna know
everything that's going on. And if you give us three hours,
we're hoping to, you know, give you a tremendous analysis
and fun and tell stories and right, give you a
fully immersive experience. But one of the things, Clay, that
I think we do. Sorry, I was, I was weaving
there a little bit, guys, but you know, as one does.
One of the things that we do is I never
(18:26):
want anyone who listens to this show to feel like, oh,
but if I'm at a if I'm at a party,
or i'm at i'm at the office or wherever, and
someone challenges me on this issue, I'm not ready for it. Yes,
so exactly, I don't want you to be in a
situation where you're annoying sister in law or you know
(18:46):
your your you know Bob from accounting or you know
Sally from from HR is like, did you see the
big national security message whatever? And you go, well, I
don't know, I don't know. I've told We're telling you
everything you need to know about it. These are patriots,
They didn't mean any harm. There was no harm done.
Better practices next time. Sometimes mistakes happen, they will adjust
(19:11):
and it's not that big a deal. Okay, So that's
well said. When I was in the CIA and faced
imprisonment if I messed up these rules, so I know
what I'm talking about. Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So my thoughts couple of things as a layman. Here one,
why do we not have our own version of a
signal app that could And I want you to explain
this to me because I've been doing reading because I
want to know more about it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's hard to.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Get everybody in a secure location when you've got people
traveling all over the world. And I think this is important,
and you want to make sure that everyone is well
informed with what the United States government is doing so
that Tulsea Gabbard doesn't turn on the television and find
out on Fox News that we have attacked to Hooties, right,
(20:00):
and maybe she's in Yemen or wherever the heck she
might be. And Pete Hegseth right now, I know because
the pictures are out is touring the Pacific, and these
eighteen people are in six different time zones and actually
the easiest way sometimes to communicate is text message. So
point one, shouldn't we have a design system that is
(20:24):
forward thinking from a security perspective for younger people who
are used to communicating in this manner. And by the way,
take it back one hundred years or eighty years or
whatever it was. And I'm sure people were like, we
can never communicate on the telephone any secret knowledge.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh my goodness, this is crazy. And then everybody who
grew up.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Using the telephone expects for the devices to be created
that are able to be used in this method Step one,
step two. And this is just a layman question. This
guy Goldberg, I think he should have had to. I mean,
it feels to me like a big part of this
story is his dishonesty and also staying involved in a
(21:13):
conversation that he was aware he was never intended to
be tagged on, and yet he stayed in there and
continued to receive these messages. In your own lives, if
you were a part of a group text chain that
you were not intended to be on, which I bet
if you're under the age of fifty is something that
(21:34):
has happened to almost everybody out there at some point
in time. Certainly, if you're under the age of forty,
wouldn't you just leave the group chat either publicly say hey,
wrong guy, or just leave on your own volition. The
fact that he stayed in there and kept receiving all
of these messages makes me think that his behavior was
(21:55):
quite nefarious, to say nothing of waiting to drop the
story like.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, this is where journalists like to have it both ways, right.
They're patriots and they care about the country too. And
when I say journalists, I mean the journals right and
the Sky is an activist. He's a left wing Democrat.
This has been clear for a long time. He was
the one who had his fingerprints all over the Trump
suckers and losers thing from Arlington Cemetery, which I never
(22:20):
believed for one second. You know, I'm not saying Trump
is perfect, but Trump does not think people who gave
their lives fighting for the military are losers. That was
just total I mean I can't even say on radio
what it was is total nonsense. But Clay, what they'll
say is, well, I have as a journalist, I need
to know whatever I can find out about the upper
echelons of government, and you know, the sharing of information
(22:43):
and everything else that's going on there. You know, I look,
if I were on this and I'm in tex contact
with some of these people, to be clear, I mean,
this is the thing. This is what happens when you
have people from the media and that you've known for
many years who are now running massive departments of the government.
Clay and I know these people, I know them.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Just this is how people who are under the age
of fifty overwhelmingly communicate. We don't get on bones and
have long form conversations. Most of our communications is via text.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right. But but what I'm what I'm you know, shining
a spotlight on is just that, uh. You know, these
these are individuals who are doing the best practices that
they can to speak quickly to each other about in
about things that matter. And if I were on if
I felt like I was in, you know, in the
(23:31):
room when I shouldn't be in the room, so to speak,
in this case, the chat room, I'd be like, hey, guys, Hey, guys,
I'm out because I wouldn't want them as senior government
officials who have clearly made you know, I'm not a
nefarious foreign actor, right, I'm not. I'm not trying to
run information ops for Al Jazeera over here. If I'm
(23:51):
in this, I would say, hey, guys, you know I'm
going to duck out now. I know you've got to
talk about stuff because I'm an American and this is
the Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence. Yes,
and you know, my desire to get a scoop is
infinitely less important to me then, especially when talking about
something on military strike then my desire to protect US
(24:14):
national security secrets. I mean, look, I'll tell you. I
mean I had an example of this, Clay when the
Benghazi story broke on TV. I was actually on air
at the Blaze when Benghazi broke initially and we went
live for hours on it. I had to sit there
and be like, I don't know what's going I knew
exactly what it happened in terms of like a lot
of stuff that came out of just put it that way,
(24:34):
and I had to sit there and be like, no,
because I had classified access before and it wasn't my
place to blow in. So I just sat there and
was just as things were coming on the news where
I'm like, oh, look at that, look at that. I
could have been, Oh, let me tell you what's really
going on here, and really what the operations are, and
you know, hey, you guys know I was in CTC
and the CIA, and here's no nothing. Because my obligation
(24:57):
to my to my clearance and to my country matters
a heck of a lot more than breaking the story
and getting some attention. And this is a different thing.
In this era where we have a lot of people
that work in public facing jobs who have had access
to high level national security information. Right, it's on you
(25:18):
as an American to always put country first over job,
you know. I mean like like role in that I'm
not talking about job in the Pentagon, I mean job
in like a media organization. I could have been out
there telling everybody stuff about Benghazi that would have made
me the first guy, and They're like, oh, what's the
people like, what's the annex? And there's all this stuff,
and I'm like, I have no idea. Guys. I had
(25:39):
to sit there and be like, I don't know. And
it was early in my career, and I could have
made a big thing of it, but I knew what
those guys the risk that they had taken by being there.
I didn't know what the following operations were going to be.
I didn't know what was blown. I didn't know what
was going to happen. I didn't know anything, and so
I just sat there and had to just read information
as that came across the news wire like everybody else,
and I'm saying, you know what, every goldberg is like,
(26:01):
oh no, I need to get the information as much
of it as I can, and then I'll make the
determination about this is that in the best interest of
national security, you don't think you want to give these
guys a heads up that, Hey, I'm not supposed to
be on this chat. I mean, to your point, yeah,
what really matters to him? I mean my initial reaction
I'm on a group chat that I don't think I
should be on, is hey, I want to get out.
(26:22):
First of all, a lot of you probably get dragged
into your group chats, if you're a mom or a dad,
little league group chats, gymnastics group chats, dance team group chat,
like oh my god, do I need to be on this? Right?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You might want to get you might want to get out,
But if you're dragged into something that you know you
have no business seeing, I just it feels like to
me like you would immediately withdraw and not stay there.
Second part, and I want to get your answer on
this when we come back in the next do we
need to update communication capabilities and standards for people involved
(26:58):
in defensive industries? Because I was I was actually just
looking at Elon Musk and he was talking about just
the government is so far behind in the tech that
often it has relative to what other private sector organizations
might have. In other words, whatever you do for a living,
(27:21):
if you're a if you're in defense industries or something
like that, I'm sure they have high tech communications capabilities.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
How would these eighteen people.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Have been able to talk if they're in four or
five different time zones all around the world, How can
they communicate easily?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, we have high I mean we have this, We
have high side. I mean we have classify channels.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, I guess my question for you when we come back,
why would this conversation exist in the way that it does.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
There are there are the equivalent of let's say, let's
say there's the equivalent of text communication within the national
security sphere that is real time and that you can
it is classified classifiedly, you can talk about what you
need to talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
When we come back, Then, why would a communication like
this be taking place? In your mind? What does it suggest? Again?
I think the ultimate result here is that nothing, thankfully,
very significant happened other than the embarrassment. And I think
primarily this is being played because it is relatively insignificant
(28:27):
in terms of its impact in this situation, more for
humor than anything else, and I think it's probably a
twenty four hour story that.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Will go away.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
But I do think it's worth talking about what exactly
should happen to ensure that something like this doesn't become
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Speaker 1 (30:07):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Of the program.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas, Texas given a lot of
good things to the world, Jasmine Crockett now one of them.
She has become one of the leading spokespersons for the
Democrat Party. And you know her background is interesting, Buck,
because she's a little bit like the rapper. Remember back
(30:35):
in the day on eight Mile when Eminem goes head
to head in the rap battle.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You Buck may not remember eight.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Mile as well as I do, but he delivers the
culminating knockout punch.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen eight Mile yet in
the twenty years that it's been out against a other
rapper by pointing out that his family is actually super
rich and he went to a very high end private
school called Cranbrook, which is one of the richest kids
schools in the Detroit area. I know this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
My wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook, very good school,
but very expensive school, private school, Jasmine Crockett. It turns
out Buck went to a high school that cost over
thirty thousand dollars a year, and she now cause plays
as if she is someone from the streets, which raises
a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party. I
(31:33):
think in general, when you pretend to be something that
you are not in order to try to draw attention
to yourself and gain political prominence, what does it say
about her that, instead of being educated, forthright and an
advocate in some way in a public manner for what
(31:55):
she believes, that she would basically turn into. Remember we
played here a couple of weeks to go saying Trump
is putin's hoe that she would basically turn into a
version of herself that is not representative of how she
was raised. Well, here she is going after the governor
of Texas, Greg Abbott, and this is what she said
(32:15):
a little bit earlier, and I believe, of all things,
a human rights event. Listen, because we in these hot
ass Texas streets, Honey, y'all know we got Governor high
wheels down there. Come on now, and the only thing
hot about him is that he is a.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Hot ass mess, honey. So yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Now, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott.
For those of you don't know, that's an insult because
Greg Abbott is actually confined to a wheelchair because a
tree fell on him when he was in his twenties.
So when she calls him Governor hot Wheels, she's actually
insulting him because of a disability that he has, and
(33:02):
then she attacks.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
In some way.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
For those who don't know his physical appearance, the only
thing hot about him is the fact that he's a
hot mess. Is actually really good governor, I think, by
and large has been. Certainly the average Texan agrees based
on the voting returns. But to go after a guy
who's in a wheelchair by mocking the fact that he's
in a wheelchair, again, I would lean into this. If
(33:25):
I were Greg Abbott, I'd probably roll out in a
Governor Hot Wheels T shirt the next time that I
did a public event, because I would mock her mockery
by mocking it that way. But I do think it's
emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have
a real message that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor
(33:46):
of the state that you represent for being in a
wheelchair is their go to line of attack, and that
Jasmine Crockett would be regularly on the front lines as
an outspoken advocate for the Democrat Party is frankly the
best thing I can think about for Republicans.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction in
so far as she's never going to be uh. You know,
AOC and the squad were there was a lot of
media attention because some of them and pricarly like Rashida
talib And and Ilhan Omar. You know, they represented this young, diverse,
(34:27):
far left part of the party. But I think Clay
it was very obvious early on that AOC was the
only one who was going to try to elevate. And
we see that happening right now. I mean it's it's yes,
still in still in process or in progress, But she
was the only one who had aspirations of maybe being
Speaker of the House, maybe being president or she aspiration
(34:50):
is the wrong word, possibility. Right within the Democrat rank,
she's become, uh, you know, our friend Jesse Kelly says
she has She's no longer a street communist, right, he's
more of a organizer. I think he uses. That's a
very good term he's come up with. Right, She's no
longer street communist. She's more of a you know, pollitborough communist.
Like she's elevating herself. She can sit in the boardroom meetings,
(35:12):
yes exactly. She can sit there with Stalin and the
rest deciding, you know what happens to everybody. But I
think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention but
has no There's no way that she's going to find
herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party in
my opinion. So I don't spend too much time and
(35:34):
saying something like like Governor hot Wheels. I don't even
think Greg Abbott cares, because I don't think that anyone
expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The only thing
that upsets me is that she shares a name with
the greatest coffee company of all time, which happens to
also be named for a great American hero. It's a
great name, you know. It's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name,
(35:56):
which look, the crocket is Crockett. Yeah, yeah, it's a
there's different spellings of it. In fact, Davies spelled his
name or there are different spellings of his name during
his life because of the sort of derivation of it
from the Scottish ishlands. Yeah, fun facts for everybody. There,
you go. I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I'm not the kind of person who obviously a lot
of people say awful things going to shock you about
me or buck. I'm not the kind of person who
like grabs my pearls and falls onto a fainting couch.
So I wouldn't encourage. I understand some people are like,
this is beyond the pale, this is outrageous. I think
the way to deal with something like this again, if
I were giving advice to Greg Abbott would be with humor,
because Governor hot Wheels is actually kind of a funny nickname,
(36:38):
and you can throw it back on her by leaning
into the humor and proving that you are going to
mock her by doing so. I think that's a smart
way to attack it. But I do think that this
is emblematic of them not really having a strategy. The fact,
I agree with you, the Jasmine Crockett does doesn't have
(37:00):
a next level right If you think about it in
a sports term, you're like, Okay, you're the kind of
boxer that can knock out somebody who's a so called
Tomata can, but you don't have heavyweight title aspirations, Like
you're kind of just a mid range guy in the
boxing world. I think that's where Jasmin Crockett is. I
think they have aspirations that AOC could be their heavyweight.
(37:21):
I think they think, I agree with you, that they
could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is my prediction.
I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce that he's
not going to run for reelection. Remember he won reelection
in twenty two, so he doesn't leave until twenty eight.
I think he'll announce he's not running an endorseer twenty three.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Here Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not stepping down play
twenty three. Look, I'm not stepping down. And let me
just say this.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I knew when I cast my vote against the government shutdown,
that it would be that there'd be a lot of controversy,
and there was. But I let me tell you and
your audience why I did it, why I felt was
so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know, the
continuing Resolution, but a shutdown would be fifteen or twenty
times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole
(38:12):
power to determine what is quote essential, and they can
determine without any court supervision. The courts have ruled it's
solely up to the executive what to shut down. With
Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote, they
would eviscerate the federal government.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Clay, he's saying, I'm still the best shot that we
have for leadership on the Democrat side. As said, I'm
not stepping down, and I don't see anybody who poses.
You know, the option here would be and this is
what Bernie Sanders I think, was referring to who could
run in the Senate against Schumer from New York AOC.
(38:55):
But I think Democrats are very about this. Remember Bernie Clay,
this is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was
at CNN in twenty fifteen when the Democrats were running
their primary, and you know into twenty sixteen when Democrats
are running their primary and all of the CNN commentators
(39:15):
would say out of the side the Democrats would say,
out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really
got the base and Bernie's really and then they'd go
on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus
and they knew it was gonna happen to be like, well,
we know that Hillary is really Bernie's great, but Hillary,
but off there they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really where
the bases? They totally they they scammed Bernie out of
(39:36):
the nomination twice. And it's twice and it's because mean,
we all saw this, right, and it's because came out
in some of the Wiki League stuff. And it's all
because they recognized that the whole game Democrats have to
play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.
And you can't be too honest about this because you
can't win fifty one percent of the electorate if you
tell people you're actually a socialist. But with AOC do
(40:00):
they think that there's some new era they are entering
where they can do a rebrand I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think what's gonna happen with Schumer is Republicans if
they get the right candidates, and I think they are
are going to pick up seats.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
In the Senate.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I believe in twenty twenty six, I think Georgia f
Brian Kemp the governor will run. I think that New
Hampshire if they can get Snunu is the governor right now,
right whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I
think it was him. I might have screwed up his name.
Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there.
(40:38):
I think if I were setting over under on pickups
in the Senate, I would set it at one and
a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans
come out at twenty twenty six in the Senate with
fifty five senators versus forty five at that point in time,
with only two years left on his term, I think
Schumer will announce this is his final term, and I
think he will set the stage for AOC to come
(41:00):
the Senator from New York. And to your point, Buck,
I think that will then set the table for her
to be president. Now to run for president now she
may not even want to be in the Senate because
the argument is does she need to be in the
Senate to run for president in twenty twenty eight. Remember,
everybody's running for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight. They're
gonna have twenty five names out there. Republican side maybe
(41:23):
not as many because it looks like Jade Vance is
going to be gobbling up if things keep going well,
a lot of money and a lot of endorsements, but
the Democrat side, everybody is running.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just
the fact that we have initials for her and everybody
knows who we're talking about. She has huge social media recognized.
This is as soon as we were talking about this,
I think was in January after Electric Class, Like, you
know what, I think it'll be, And occasionally I waiver
on it because she'll have such a stupid SoundBite, but
(41:53):
it doesn't Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president. Look
at Joe Biden. But AOC as the media profile, and
I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an all out.
It's when I say media, I don't mean who can
get on CBS News, I mean social media, Internet recognizability,
(42:15):
ability to direct a news cycle, ability to kind of
capture public attention. It's really hard to win in politic
Look me, look at Trump is a is an entertainment
phenomenon as much as he is a political phenomenon. And
those two things I think go hand in hand. Now,
this is why I don't think somebody like you know,
(42:35):
people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer. No, you know, she plays
well enough with Democrats in Michigan. But I just don't
think that she's She doesn't have the name, she doesn't
have the profile, she doesn't have the sizzle. If you will,
and I know some of you will laugh at me.
I'm gonna remember who was laughing at me. But AOC
is a It's like she's a character in American politics.
(42:58):
It's different. She's not just a politics she's a politician celebrity.
She's pretty. She may clazier, she's pretty. I mean, look,
I think you have to talk about cosmetic aspects. Yeah, no,
it matters, You're right. I just think it's funny. She's
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, she is pretty, but I think she also could
have a kid. I mean, some of you are going
to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's
married now, right, If she has a kid, it makes
her more relatable for a lot of people out there.
I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I
would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be
(43:34):
I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets
exposed sometimes, and you're right that that may not matter,
but I think if she's going up against let's say, like,
I think may Or Pete has almost no chance because
he's a gay white guy, and black guys are not
going to vote for a gay white guy. But I
think may Or Pete is actually a pretty smart guy,
right Like I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren
(43:57):
she's too old now, but she's intelligent. There are Gavin
Newsom is evil evil Keanu Reeves, but I don't think
he's a moron.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I think he's just an inveterate liar.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
There are people I think that would expose AOC in
an intellectual game.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Again. I know I sound like and you know you
can throw whatever heat you wanted me everyone, But I
think AOC she is ignorant, but she is savvy. And
savvy may be a meaning she doesn't know very much,
but she's cunning, and that may be enough. I just
keep an eye on it. I think a people who
(44:35):
could be around her and write the speeches and tell
her to memorize the talking points to, you know, and
she doesn't have dementia. She's got that going for her,
which doesn't have that going for her. That is very nice.
We'll come back.
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Speaker 2 (46:18):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck everybody. We are very
pleased to welcome onto the program Doctor Laura Schlessinger, who
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(46:38):
dot com for more of that again doctor Laura dot com.
Doctor Laura, I just say it's an honor to speak
to you because I've been hearing your voice ever since
I got married because my wife is a longtime doctor
Laura listener. And let me tell you, I am very thankful.
I am very thankful for it.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Well, then she's your girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
She's the best. She's fantastic. You know. I come home
and we got married, and I came home and there's
dinner on the table and I say, honey, I want
to go to the shooting range with the guys. She says,
you need guide time. You know all these rules and lessons.
And then I found this book, their Proper Care and
Feeding of Husbands, which is dog eared and underlined and
everything else. I tell you, I got married a little
(47:21):
later in life, doctor Laura. So I got married around
forty I think it was forty one. And my wife
has absolutely loved my life. She's absolutely fantastic. We're about
to have a baby in a couple of weeks, so
everything is going. And I really want to have you
on in part just to thank you because and this
comes from my wife as well. I think you give
so many women such incredibly important and powerful advice for
(47:47):
them to have great, meaningful lives as wives, as mothers.
Is so I'm always whenever Carrie starts saying, doctor Laura says,
I start nod in my head. Yep, that's great. She
sent in my wife's so I just got to tell
you this. It's the truth. My wife sending a question
for you, and Clay's wife, Laura has a question too,
She says, Hi, doctor Laura, I'm a longtime listener and
(48:08):
read the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands. I also
took the online course. Your wisdom has not only made
me the wife i am today, but also led me
to find an incredible husband who adores me. Fact check true.
In a couple of weeks, we will be welcoming our
first child. We're so thrilled to grow our family. But
what is your advice for ensuring our solid and healthy
marriage stays intact after the first baby comes. Thank you
(48:31):
for all you do.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
You don't stop having your hands all over each other.
That means when you're walking around, That means when one
of you takes a shower, maybe we could, you know,
save on water, we could both be in the shower.
It's really the physicality and the silliness. Everybody thinks it's
got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which
you and I both know. Guys, don't enjoy. So the
(48:56):
more physical you are with each other and the more
cute you are with each other, that's really all you need.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
I love it. That's really good advice.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Now I don't even know what my wife has sent in,
but there is audio. She went and used the app
and then she needed more space, so she said, just give.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Context for how long? How long have you been married?
Tell doctor Laura how Yeah, so I've been married man
twenty one years, will be August. So I've been married
over twenty years now. We have three boys, seventeen, fourteen,
and ten year old. And here is what my wife,
Lara wanted to ask you.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
Listen, Clay and I are parents of boys, and thus
far I think we have weathered adolescents fairly well. However,
some of our friends who have daughters, their experiences, the
way they talk about it sound very different. In fact,
some of them say raising daughters through adolescents is a
(49:56):
complete nightmare. I have a friend this morning tell me
that she feels she's coming home to a bag of
snakes every day when she comes home to her adolescent daughters,
which is funny but harsh. So, in general, do you
have some great advice for parents going through adolescence with
(50:17):
their children. Obviously the children are going through adolescents. And
do you have different advice for parents of girls weathering
adolescents versus parents of boys weathering adolescence.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Thank you, I thought you were just going to have
me on for a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's going to.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Take me about half an hour to get through. Let
me try to bring it down number one, whether it's
a boy or a girl, that it's a tight family
that does things together, that is sweet with each other.
That the father spends time with the daughter, the father
spends time with the son, the mother spends time and
the family is always together for dinner if they have
(50:57):
to go do sports.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Things or what have you.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
That you know, that's a very important part of the family.
People keep divvying it up. Yeah, there are differences in
how you raise girls from boys, and I'd have to
come back another time to go through that. But the
first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands
and wives in the physical and the cuteness, the I
was with a family and I thought, and I talked
(51:22):
about them on my air, that this was the best
family I had seen in decades. Anytime anybody got something,
may I would you send me?
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Could I have?
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Please?
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Thank you. Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.
That is not something that families do. You have two
career families. You have all kinds of other stuff going
on in the house, and it's not a family, it's
mother and father and kids. But when it's a family,
(51:56):
when people are always saying please and thank you and
show concerned for each other and discipline and kind ways
with understanding and compassion, you'd be surprised how it minimizes
how crazy it gets. And also take your kids out
of public school.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Wow, doctor Laurie, We're definitely going to have to have
you back, and I'm really looking forward to all the
questions and comments we're gonna get from the audience about
you coming on and just beginning this arc of wisdom.
And like I said, as a husband and a very
happy husband who does completely adore his wife, and I
you know, it's so important that I think women get
a lot of the messaging and men and men, but
(52:34):
that we both get a lot of the messaging that
you're putting out there. And I wanted you to address
something that's more just sort of general for the country
right now. You know, we talk here about politics and
national security and education, all these different things, but the
importance of family and marriage is central. Should be central,
Maybe should be is a better word these days. You know,
there's a story just out today and it says and
(52:55):
that the headline is American women are giving up on marriage,
and one of the lines from it as American women
have never been this resigned to staying signal single. They
are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing
gender gaps in economic and education attainment, and beliefs about
what a family should look like. What is going on
and how do we fix it?
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Not enough fathers in the home raising sons to be
men of honor and courage and principle. And that's basically again,
the women have gone through the feminist thing where men
are the evil empire and all this negativity toward masculinity.
It's all toxic. I think it's wonderful. Give me a
(53:41):
guy with the cowboy hat and boots, and I pay
attention because there's a sense that there's a strength there.
And women like to feel protected. That's probably the number
one thing women don't admit they want to feel protected.
And that's why they like those silly books where there's
this ripped guy on the cover and she's being carried
(54:02):
you into safety. Why do they read those things at
such large amounts Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent as
we can be, we want to be protected. And men
have not been brought up to be that anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Are you more?
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You've been doing this for fifty years, and Buck just
laid out. A marriage is becoming less common. A lot
of men are not present in homes. Unfortunately, the overall
birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing. Are you
more or less optimistic about the future of the family
unit today than when you started? How would you analyze
(54:40):
the scope of relationship that you've seen over fifty years.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (54:45):
No, I was more optimistic than that. I am now
because there have been so many forces. We have, like
one or two generations now I think are lost. These
are young people who are not being brought up that
you finished school and you aim to be in do things,
and you make a family and you raise kids and
you have communities. And that was how I was brought up,
(55:06):
and it was all this optimism. Now you have throngs
of kids who have no idea where they can go
and what they can be, and so they get involved
in all of these cliques like non binary, and you know,
I belong now to a group of people who are
equally lost and don't have an identity and don't have
(55:27):
a direction and don't have a sense of self other
than I can belong to this community. It's like what
we used to look at with groupies with rock stars.
This is what's happening. So I'm worried. Be honest with you,
I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
But the one little.
Speaker 5 (55:42):
Piece of optimism I have is I'm still here. People
are still calling. Somebody wants the help to pull it
back together again and make life meaningful in something you
can feel comfortable and safe with and productive and loving
and reach all of that. So as long as I
(56:03):
still get that response, I keep my optimism up.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
That's a great line. You just laid out some of
the challenges. How much do you think it has to
do with kids getting phones too young? What advice would
you give parents out there? My wife asked a question
about adolescens, but what advice would you give to parents
about social media and about what they allow their kids
to be exposed to, particularly on the internet.
Speaker 5 (56:31):
Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think. You know,
you can push up against a tsunami, but it takes
just everybody lining up. I tell people that they're irresponsible
parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any minor
child period. Get them a flip phone that takes calls.
Speaker 6 (56:51):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
No texting, no Internet. And instead of spending one's time
with screens, how about we actually have families that do
stuff together. I mean, my kid was talk about a
screen though. We would watch Law and Order as a
whole family, and then we would sit here and we
would go I think he did it.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
No, I think she did it.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
And so it was all of this thinking through using
pieces of information. And I just read today that our
children are really suffering the inability to have fine motor
skills because they're not playing with crayons, they're not playing
with scissors, They're just sitting there like that. And so
we're actually losing physicality. I mean, is that not shocking.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
It's it's amazing. And we think about all the influences
that are on kids these days and what they're being
told and how I think a lot of them are
being set up for misery. I mean, doctor Laura, you know,
yes you have. I agree. The metrics these days, and
the metrics for young women in particular in terms of
happiness self describe happiness. It's terrifying in terms of how
(57:54):
bad it is. How do we start? Oh yeah, turn again.
You're going up against the tsunami. But how do we
start to turn that around?
Speaker 5 (58:01):
Well, I just it popped into my head as you
were asking me the question. Look at all the very
intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions
of power in our government. I am so enthralled with that.
And I think that's wonderful for young women to have
something to aspire to keep my act clean. No more
(58:24):
shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.
I want to be like that lady who's now running
the whatever it is. So having role models like that,
you know, I have people calling who say I was
in a car seat in the back of my parents'
car listening to you, and now I have kids and
I'm using what I've learned. So anytime you can be
(58:47):
a positive influence.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Do it. My wife makes fun of me because I
just always sit there in the car when she turns
you on, just like doctor Laura's right. So I'm telling
you this. I was like, we have to have doctor
Lauren's like doctor Laura's right, and carry looks. She goes, Oh,
I know, Clay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Last question for you, and we appreciate your time. And
you're certainly a radio legend. You've been so influential for
so long when the modern era, Like I was reading
the other day, the number of successful women that are
choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a
child with instead of an actual man is staggering to me.
(59:24):
What kind of world experiences me?
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Okay, I wanted to get your.
Speaker 5 (59:28):
Ta me makes me angry because kids need a dad.
And I just say to these women, oh that's not well.
I have money and I can take care of me.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
I don't care about that.
Speaker 5 (59:39):
You had a mommy and a daddy, and I'm sure
that meant something to you. Now you're going to rob
a kit of a dad because it's convenient for you
not to commit and give of yourself and be vulnerable
to another human being and be invested in each other's
lives beautifully. That's a real shame. That's a real shame.
That is so selfish.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I don't like it. Doctor Laura. We gotta have
we gotta have you back, because you know, for you
to solve all problems of relationships and family and shirt
child rearing in about ten minutes is asking a lot.
But you didn't know a remarkable job. Guys. There's so
many books. I mean, the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.
I've actually got Carrie's very dog eared and underlined copy
in my hand, a great book. And go to doctor
(01:00:22):
Laura dot com because she's doing some great charity work too.
Doctor Laura, we'd love to have you back, and thanks
for being here.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
I would love it. Thank you, guys, and I love
listening to you too.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh well, thank you so much. Thank you very much.
I like that. That's right, that's how we do it.
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Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us as we are rolling through
the Tuesday edition of the program. I promise that all
my texts are going to the right people as we
begin with the story of the day. So you know,
by the way, a part of me feels like I
(00:22):
should just bail on the show right now, Buck, because
we have doctor Laura, famous doctor Laura. Is it slashinger?
Is that her last name? I think, if I'm not mistaken,
many of you know doctor Laura. She's a relationship expert.
Producer Ali sent messages to our wives saying, hey, can
(00:43):
you potentially fill out, you know, do a thirty second
talkback question for doctor Laura relationship expert. I am told
that my wife said thirty seconds is not enough and
sent in a two minute long question, And a part
of me feels like, Buck, I should just I should
just wave right now and just go ahead and leave.
I have no idea what the question that my wife's
(01:06):
sent in was, but she needed two minutes instead of
thirty seconds. So anyway, that's our two our only guest today,
doctor Laura, featuring a question from my wife Laura and
your wife, Carrie like wanted less less, had less go.
She hasn't been married twenty years, but she has written
(01:27):
a question correct for doctor Laura. She preferred to just
write it out and I will read the question to
doctor Laura. So both of our wives took different different
pathways on this one. I would just say, though the
reason I know I did not I had heard of
doctor Laura before. I know she had a very big
show for a long time on radio. But it's because
sometimes my wife, like right after we got married, for example,
(01:49):
you know, Carrie would I would come home or there'd
be dinner on the table, and she would say things like, well,
you know, doctor Laura says. And I noticed this trend
of whenever Carrie would say doctor Laura says about a
relationship thing, I was like, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I like that. That's good. This is healthy. You think
she gives good advice in general, based on your experience,
excellent advice From my own experience of a wife who's
been listening to doctor Laura for many, many years, Everything
that she has picked up from doctor Laura, including some
of the tough love stuff, is you know for the audience,
is very solid.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well I'm excited for that. That is our two speaking
of tough love. All right, So, newest story, if you
have not heard, is that as we prepared to bomb
the uties, which by the way, I think was totally
the right decision to try to free up shipping lanes
and send a message Churon, there was a group chat.
(02:44):
Based on my research, Buck, you can correct me if
I'm wrong on any of these facts, I think there
were eighteen people involved in a group chat on the
Signal app, which is designed to be a high privacy
way to basically send text message. Is outside of doing
so from a regular cell phone network or an Apple
(03:06):
cell phone network, I would imagine most of you probably
are sending text messages and if you have an Apple
phone or an Apple device, they're blue. If you're sending
outside of the Apple universe, they're green. I don't know,
what do you think maybe ten percent of our audience
has downloaded the Signal app. The Signal app I have
it on my phone is sometimes ways that people I've
(03:28):
noticed it in media in particular, that want to communicate things,
but they don't want to send them on a traditional
text message network because they're concerned about somebody else surveilling them.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
For lack of a better way to describe this now
as end encryption. It's considered one of the better platforms
for privacy and security out there. But there's what's good
for your privacy and security versus what a nation state
entity can break into you and can surveil. Right, So
it's one thing for you and me to sit here
(04:04):
and say, well, I'm not worried about some random hacker
getting our information. It's a different thing to say, can
the Chinese communist parties intelligence apparatus get our information? That's
the question.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So in this I believe it was eighteen people accidentally,
but this is unfortunate. It appears National Security Advisor Mike
Waltz added Jonah Goldberg, who is the editor of The Atlantic,
and in general, probably there are a lot of people
you could have added the editor of Atlantic to this
(04:40):
group chat was not the person that you wanted to add.
And now that the price of eggs are back to normal,
remember that talking point. And now that the stock market
SMP five hundred at least is back above where it
was on election day, they need a new talking point
for Trump is awful, And the new talking point is
this encryption failure.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Did you say it's Jeffrey Goldberg. What did I call him?
I think you said Jonah, who has made jokes about
how he is not Jeffrey Goldberg. Jonah Goldberg is a
different media Goldberg. I thought you were making a joke there.
I was waiting for you to to point this out.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's Jeffrey Giliberg of The Atlantic, my bad, not the
actor from the Big Short Race. Is that the wrong guy,
Jonah Hill.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Get your Goldberg straight?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I am, I am, I am out to lunch here
already on the start anyway. This guy is the editor.
He's not a movie star. He is not a fat
person who has the same name Jonah that got skinny
and then got fat again because his career collapsed when
he got too skinny. This is not Jonah Hill, not
Jonah Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor at the Atlantic. All right,
(05:47):
So he is on this text thread and he decides
that he's going to write about the security failure for
The Atlantic? Does it yesterday afternoon, about time our show ended,
And so it has been the biggest story in the
last twenty four hours. Okay, so clearly I'm not the
intelligence expert here. Let me go to you first, Buck, Like,
(06:09):
we know Pete, we know JD, we know probably most
of the people on this text thread. You certainly know
everybody probably on this text Thug.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes, And then these are some of these individuals are
friends of ours and we just say that by way
of disclosure, or there are people that we are friends with,
have socialized with. So you know, I'm gonna be as
unbiased as I can in this situation. Right, But when
I'm talking about someone like Pete or Tulsi their friends,
they're patriots. I know where their heart is, I know
what they're trying to do for the country, and so
(06:38):
I comment everything from that perspective first. But let me
just I'll back back into this clay for a second.
First up, I don't want to help the Democrats in
any way in this moment in time by giving them
more than they should have in terms of political ammunition.
All right, So that's we are cognizant of that. Here
it was, as you mentioned, the price of eggs, all
the price of eggs, all the stock market. Now it's
(06:59):
all the national secuit. Please, they need to calm down,
take a step back and recognize that the situation they're
in right now as a political entity. The Democrats are
in this situation because their party went insane, and they
deserve exactly what they are going through right now. They
sort of excruciating humiliation of Trump doing all the things
(07:19):
that he's doing to better the country. Okay, they should
like it, but they don't. They find it humiliating. National
security and classification. Classification is broken down by the expected
possible harm that could be done due to unauthorized disclosure.
So I think that's an important foundational understanding of this. Right, So,
(07:40):
when you talk about confidential, secret, top secret, compartmented, these
things exist. They are separated based upon the sensitivity, generally
of the sources and methods of the collection. Right So,
if if some guy on the street somewhere shares his
opinion about whether there's going to be like another Arab
(08:00):
spring revolution, you know that's gonna be confidential, maybe because
if he told it to people in a public forum,
but you don't want his name to be out there
too much, or you know he set it out in public. Anyway,
you go all the way up the chain. If we
have some super secret squirrel laser from outer space that
could zap all of the information they have in like
the Kremlin. Okay, well that's going to be very high level.
(08:24):
The stuff that I have seen so far that they
have talked about here. We have to keep in mind
that Pete and others have said it's not classified. And
now here's the thing. I don't think that they would
lie about that because it's something it's something that Jeffrey
Goldberg got to be here. Jeffrey Goldberg could make them
look particularly foolish and dishonest on top of everything if
(08:47):
they said, oh, this isn't classified, and then he shares
the screenshots, which I'm sure he has. He's already shared
some that shows it is clearly classified. This information did
not get out before these strikes were taken. So from
a national security harm perspective, there was no harm. Let's
start with that. There was no harm. And you know,
(09:08):
Jeffrey Goldberg, I think recognized you are an American, like
this is important stuff. Do not mess with an impending
military strike because you think it'll get more clicks. That
is just that is true. That is fair. Right. He
didn't try to, and sometimes journalists really do, like The
New York Times has done things in the past where
I've said they are sabotaging American national security. I do
not think that that happened here, and I think that
(09:29):
that's to all of our benefit. And I'm not sure
that it could have happened because I'm not sure that
the information that could have been shared would have been
sensitive enough to change things around. So nothing bad happened
here in terms of US national security. The harm was
non realized. Whether it could have been realized or not
is a question whether there was anything classified in there. Okay, Clay.
(09:51):
Then we get to the next part of this, which
is operational security OPSEC. This is a blunder. Obviously, there's
no way around that. You don't want a journalist that
you don't know is on the text thread getting access
to anything that you're talking about as a senior policy official.
So this is where Trump has already come out and
said there was a lesson learned here, and you know,
(10:14):
we're going to tighten things up going forward. This is
not the oh my gosh Watergate moment that the media
is pretending that it is because they want to attack
the administration. I got still a lot of questions because
I'm a regular, you know, sort of not super sophisticated
person when it comes to sharing information like this. So
(10:38):
let me ask you this question, and I think we
can probably take some of the questions from listeners because
you're an expert in this. How much of.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
This buck is about the fact that it's very difficult
to get all of these people in one room when
they're presumably traveling all over the world.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And shouldn't we have a.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Method of communication given that these guys for the most part,
are around our age, people like you and me and
a lot of people our age are used to communicating
on rapid fashion in these group text chains, whether it's
serious things or not serious things. And to me it
oftentimes I would think would be difficult to get everybody
(11:21):
on secure lines so that eighteen people all over the
world could have a conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Does that make sense? This is where yeah, absolutely, this
is where operational security comes in. And I will say,
at my time in the CIA, this was taken incredibly
seriously and with good reason because we were doing we
the US government, maybe we the CIA, who knows we
were doing drone strikes. We were doing operational hits on
(11:47):
high value target you know, we were doing takedowns of
cells that we're going to try to blow up a
whole bunch of planes. I mean that there was and
we knew about that stuff before it was happening. Right,
if we're working with a partner nation, if Jaysack is
going to go in and do a raid, I mean,
look at something like the Binlanen raid for example. So
there was a need for operational security at a very
high level. We understood that everybody is always their own
(12:10):
really first and last line of classification and reality. Meaning
I'm not saying that that's technically true, but meaning you
determined in all of your communications. If I'm talking to
somebody on the phone and I'm not being careful, I
could bleed over into classified talk instantaneously. Right, So it's
on everybody to be protecting sensitive information all the time
(12:31):
who has access to it, Because there's no such thing
as I'm only this, I think goes to your question, Clay,
I'm only operating on the high side. I'm only operating
on classified networks. No, you have to be taking phone calls.
You have to be calling your wife or your husband
and saying I'm gonna be home late to night, honey. Right,
So you're always going to be interacting in the low
side of the high side classified an unclassified world. Did
(12:52):
they bleed over a little too much here? That's part
of that. That's a question that people are fighting over
right now. I haven't really seen much to suggest that
they did. And I and again I think that they
This isn't like they can get away with lying about
it because Goldberg would have had the screenshots. But do
you want there's more here?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I want to I just I have a layman's knowledge here,
and I actually just have a lot of questions. I
also think there are people out there. If you know
that you are on a group chat that you shouldn't
be on, shouldn't you leave it? Or tell people?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Like the fact that he stayed on this thing and
allowed all these text messages to come in seems suspect
to me as well.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well. Absolutely, But you know, journalists, it's interesting now because
you realize the journalists are really mostly activists. Clay and
I would say one thing that has always been it's
kind of funny to me is when people will say
to me that I'm talking to you know, we're off
the record here, right, And I sit there and I
go I have to say we're on the record for
(13:56):
if anyone's talking to me as a human being and
they think that they have my confident evidence, I don't
break that. I don't care, you know, government official, person
in my private life, you know whatever. If you think
you're talking to me Buck as a person that you
can trust, you can trust me. But journalists operate in
this other space if they get to determine what's in
the you know, what the public needs to know and not.
(14:18):
And what we find out is that really it's whether
it hurts my party or not, which is where the
Goldberg situation comes in. This is why I've never been
an anonymous source in any story that I'm aware of. Like,
if I'm going to be quoted, I just tell you
exactly what I think. For better or worse, I tell
you exactly what I think. I don't want to be
somebody who's giving an anonymous quote. I don't think I've
ever done it. And but yeah, to your point, let's
(14:41):
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. All Right,
good news coming out of Ukraine. As that continues to move,
we hope towards a resolution and a ceasefire. We are
talking about the Signal story, the discussion that involved Jeffrey Goldberg,
an Atlantic editor and writer, and some people including Brian.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Here. When we make a mistake, your job is not
to keep the story alive. Sometimes you should just shut
the f up app shape Brian send to me that email.
I have a very different opinion. I think our job
is to be honest with all of you about big stories,
and sometimes when big stories are being talked about in
(16:47):
a way that we think is dishonest, we should explain
to you why when you're getting on Facebook and you're
seeing somebody sharing a story that isn't representative of what
actually happened, or when you are out in about and
somebody in your social circle brings something up, we want
to make sure that you are well informed with every
(17:07):
possible argument. This is the biggest story of the day
so far, and I think we have a responsibility and
obligation to talk about it. Intelligently, even if it's not
the perfect story. And so.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You know, Brian, I appreciate the email, but my job
is to tell you exactly what I think good or bad.
And if you don't like that, there's lots of people
who will tell you only what you want to hear
every minute of every day. I think it will keep
you worse informed. But that's just I think a fundamental
disagreement that we have about what exactly we're doing here.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So I think I think that we always have, you know,
there are few things that we have to serve this
serve this audience daily, right, and that's always you know,
we just did an interview recently about crossing five hundred
and fifty five stations, you know, no big deal, and
Clay and I were talking to people in the media
about how, you know, we work for all of you
and day in and day out, and we want to
bring you the best information we can. So if you
(18:05):
listen to this show for an hour, you're gonna know
everything that's going on. And if you give us three hours,
we're hoping to, you know, give you a tremendous analysis
and fun and tell stories and right, give you a
fully immersive experience. But one of the things, Clay, that
I think we do. Sorry, I was, I was weaving
there a little bit, guys, but you know, as one does.
One of the things that we do is I never
(18:26):
want anyone who listens to this show to feel like, oh,
but if I'm at a if I'm at a party,
or i'm at i'm at the office or wherever, and
someone challenges me on this issue, I'm not ready for it. Yes,
so exactly, I don't want you to be in a
situation where you're annoying sister in law or you know
(18:46):
your your you know Bob from accounting or you know
Sally from from HR is like, did you see the
big national security message whatever? And you go, well, I
don't know, I don't know. I've told We're telling you
everything you need to know about it. These are patriots,
They didn't mean any harm. There was no harm done.
Better practices next time. Sometimes mistakes happen, they will adjust
(19:11):
and it's not that big a deal. Okay, So that's
well said. When I was in the CIA and faced
imprisonment if I messed up these rules, so I know
what I'm talking about. Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So my thoughts couple of things as a layman. Here one,
why do we not have our own version of a
signal app that could And I want you to explain
this to me because I've been doing reading because I
want to know more about it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's hard to.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Get everybody in a secure location when you've got people
traveling all over the world. And I think this is important,
and you want to make sure that everyone is well
informed with what the United States government is doing so
that Tulsea Gabbard doesn't turn on the television and find
out on Fox News that we have attacked to Hooties, right,
(20:00):
and maybe she's in Yemen or wherever the heck she
might be. And Pete Hegseth right now, I know because
the pictures are out is touring the Pacific, and these
eighteen people are in six different time zones and actually
the easiest way sometimes to communicate is text message. So
point one, shouldn't we have a design system that is
(20:24):
forward thinking from a security perspective for younger people who
are used to communicating in this manner. And by the way,
take it back one hundred years or eighty years or
whatever it was. And I'm sure people were like, we
can never communicate on the telephone any secret knowledge.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh my goodness, this is crazy. And then everybody who
grew up.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Using the telephone expects for the devices to be created
that are able to be used in this method Step one,
step two. And this is just a layman question. This
guy Goldberg, I think he should have had to. I mean,
it feels to me like a big part of this
story is his dishonesty and also staying involved in a
(21:13):
conversation that he was aware he was never intended to
be tagged on, and yet he stayed in there and
continued to receive these messages. In your own lives, if
you were a part of a group text chain that
you were not intended to be on, which I bet
if you're under the age of fifty is something that
(21:34):
has happened to almost everybody out there at some point
in time. Certainly, if you're under the age of forty,
wouldn't you just leave the group chat either publicly say hey,
wrong guy, or just leave on your own volition. The
fact that he stayed in there and kept receiving all
of these messages makes me think that his behavior was
(21:55):
quite nefarious, to say nothing of waiting to drop the
story like.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, this is where journalists like to have it both ways, right.
They're patriots and they care about the country too. And
when I say journalists, I mean the journals right and
the Sky is an activist. He's a left wing Democrat.
This has been clear for a long time. He was
the one who had his fingerprints all over the Trump
suckers and losers thing from Arlington Cemetery, which I never
(22:20):
believed for one second. You know, I'm not saying Trump
is perfect, but Trump does not think people who gave
their lives fighting for the military are losers. That was
just total I mean I can't even say on radio
what it was is total nonsense. But Clay, what they'll
say is, well, I have as a journalist, I need
to know whatever I can find out about the upper
echelons of government, and you know, the sharing of information
(22:43):
and everything else that's going on there. You know, I look,
if I were on this and I'm in tex contact
with some of these people, to be clear, I mean,
this is the thing. This is what happens when you
have people from the media and that you've known for
many years who are now running massive departments of the government.
Clay and I know these people, I know them.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Just this is how people who are under the age
of fifty overwhelmingly communicate. We don't get on bones and
have long form conversations. Most of our communications is via text.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right. But but what I'm what I'm you know, shining
a spotlight on is just that, uh. You know, these
these are individuals who are doing the best practices that
they can to speak quickly to each other about in
about things that matter. And if I were on if
I felt like I was in, you know, in the
(23:31):
room when I shouldn't be in the room, so to speak,
in this case, the chat room, I'd be like, hey, guys, Hey, guys,
I'm out because I wouldn't want them as senior government
officials who have clearly made you know, I'm not a
nefarious foreign actor, right, I'm not. I'm not trying to
run information ops for Al Jazeera over here. If I'm
(23:51):
in this, I would say, hey, guys, you know I'm
going to duck out now. I know you've got to
talk about stuff because I'm an American and this is
the Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence. Yes,
and you know, my desire to get a scoop is
infinitely less important to me then, especially when talking about
something on military strike then my desire to protect US
(24:14):
national security secrets. I mean, look, I'll tell you. I
mean I had an example of this, Clay when the
Benghazi story broke on TV. I was actually on air
at the Blaze when Benghazi broke initially and we went
live for hours on it. I had to sit there
and be like, I don't know what's going I knew
exactly what it happened in terms of like a lot
of stuff that came out of just put it that way,
(24:34):
and I had to sit there and be like, no,
because I had classified access before and it wasn't my
place to blow in. So I just sat there and
was just as things were coming on the news where
I'm like, oh, look at that, look at that. I
could have been, Oh, let me tell you what's really
going on here, and really what the operations are, and
you know, hey, you guys know I was in CTC
and the CIA, and here's no nothing. Because my obligation
(24:57):
to my to my clearance and to my country matters
a heck of a lot more than breaking the story
and getting some attention. And this is a different thing.
In this era where we have a lot of people
that work in public facing jobs who have had access
to high level national security information. Right, it's on you
(25:18):
as an American to always put country first over job,
you know. I mean like like role in that I'm
not talking about job in the Pentagon, I mean job
in like a media organization. I could have been out
there telling everybody stuff about Benghazi that would have made
me the first guy, and They're like, oh, what's the
people like, what's the annex? And there's all this stuff,
and I'm like, I have no idea. Guys. I had
(25:39):
to sit there and be like, I don't know. And
it was early in my career, and I could have
made a big thing of it, but I knew what
those guys the risk that they had taken by being there.
I didn't know what the following operations were going to be.
I didn't know what was blown. I didn't know what
was going to happen. I didn't know anything, and so
I just sat there and had to just read information
as that came across the news wire like everybody else,
and I'm saying, you know what, every goldberg is like,
(26:01):
oh no, I need to get the information as much
of it as I can, and then I'll make the
determination about this is that in the best interest of
national security, you don't think you want to give these
guys a heads up that, Hey, I'm not supposed to
be on this chat. I mean, to your point, yeah,
what really matters to him? I mean my initial reaction
I'm on a group chat that I don't think I
should be on, is hey, I want to get out.
(26:22):
First of all, a lot of you probably get dragged
into your group chats, if you're a mom or a dad,
little league group chats, gymnastics group chats, dance team group chat,
like oh my god, do I need to be on this? Right?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You might want to get you might want to get out,
But if you're dragged into something that you know you
have no business seeing, I just it feels like to
me like you would immediately withdraw and not stay there.
Second part, and I want to get your answer on
this when we come back in the next do we
need to update communication capabilities and standards for people involved
(26:58):
in defensive industries? Because I was I was actually just
looking at Elon Musk and he was talking about just
the government is so far behind in the tech that
often it has relative to what other private sector organizations
might have. In other words, whatever you do for a living,
(27:21):
if you're a if you're in defense industries or something
like that, I'm sure they have high tech communications capabilities.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
How would these eighteen people.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Have been able to talk if they're in four or
five different time zones all around the world, How can
they communicate easily?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, we have high I mean we have this, We
have high side. I mean we have classify channels.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, I guess my question for you when we come back,
why would this conversation exist in the way that it does.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
There are there are the equivalent of let's say, let's
say there's the equivalent of text communication within the national
security sphere that is real time and that you can
it is classified classifiedly, you can talk about what you
need to talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
When we come back, Then, why would a communication like
this be taking place? In your mind? What does it suggest? Again?
I think the ultimate result here is that nothing, thankfully,
very significant happened other than the embarrassment. And I think
primarily this is being played because it is relatively insignificant
(28:27):
in terms of its impact in this situation, more for
humor than anything else, and I think it's probably a
twenty four hour story that.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Will go away.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
But I do think it's worth talking about what exactly
should happen to ensure that something like this doesn't become
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Speaker 1 (30:07):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Of the program.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas, Texas given a lot of
good things to the world, Jasmine Crockett now one of them.
She has become one of the leading spokespersons for the
Democrat Party. And you know her background is interesting, Buck,
because she's a little bit like the rapper. Remember back
(30:35):
in the day on eight Mile when Eminem goes head
to head in the rap battle.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You Buck may not remember eight.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Mile as well as I do, but he delivers the
culminating knockout punch.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen eight Mile yet in
the twenty years that it's been out against a other
rapper by pointing out that his family is actually super
rich and he went to a very high end private
school called Cranbrook, which is one of the richest kids
schools in the Detroit area. I know this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
My wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook, very good school,
but very expensive school, private school, Jasmine Crockett. It turns
out Buck went to a high school that cost over
thirty thousand dollars a year, and she now cause plays
as if she is someone from the streets, which raises
a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party. I
(31:33):
think in general, when you pretend to be something that
you are not in order to try to draw attention
to yourself and gain political prominence, what does it say
about her that, instead of being educated, forthright and an
advocate in some way in a public manner for what
(31:55):
she believes, that she would basically turn into. Remember we
played here a couple of weeks to go saying Trump
is putin's hoe that she would basically turn into a
version of herself that is not representative of how she
was raised. Well, here she is going after the governor
of Texas, Greg Abbott, and this is what she said
(32:15):
a little bit earlier, and I believe, of all things,
a human rights event. Listen, because we in these hot
ass Texas streets, Honey, y'all know we got Governor high
wheels down there. Come on now, and the only thing
hot about him is that he is a.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Hot ass mess, honey. So yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Now, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott.
For those of you don't know, that's an insult because
Greg Abbott is actually confined to a wheelchair because a
tree fell on him when he was in his twenties.
So when she calls him Governor hot Wheels, she's actually
insulting him because of a disability that he has, and
(33:02):
then she attacks.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
In some way.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
For those who don't know his physical appearance, the only
thing hot about him is the fact that he's a
hot mess. Is actually really good governor, I think, by
and large has been. Certainly the average Texan agrees based
on the voting returns. But to go after a guy
who's in a wheelchair by mocking the fact that he's
in a wheelchair, again, I would lean into this. If
(33:25):
I were Greg Abbott, I'd probably roll out in a
Governor Hot Wheels T shirt the next time that I
did a public event, because I would mock her mockery
by mocking it that way. But I do think it's
emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have
a real message that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor
(33:46):
of the state that you represent for being in a
wheelchair is their go to line of attack, and that
Jasmine Crockett would be regularly on the front lines as
an outspoken advocate for the Democrat Party is frankly the
best thing I can think about for Republicans.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction in
so far as she's never going to be uh. You know,
AOC and the squad were there was a lot of
media attention because some of them and pricarly like Rashida
talib And and Ilhan Omar. You know, they represented this young, diverse,
(34:27):
far left part of the party. But I think Clay
it was very obvious early on that AOC was the
only one who was going to try to elevate. And
we see that happening right now. I mean it's it's yes,
still in still in process or in progress, But she
was the only one who had aspirations of maybe being
Speaker of the House, maybe being president or she aspiration
(34:50):
is the wrong word, possibility. Right within the Democrat rank,
she's become, uh, you know, our friend Jesse Kelly says
she has She's no longer a street communist, right, he's
more of a organizer. I think he uses. That's a
very good term he's come up with. Right, She's no
longer street communist. She's more of a you know, pollitborough communist.
Like she's elevating herself. She can sit in the boardroom meetings,
(35:12):
yes exactly. She can sit there with Stalin and the
rest deciding, you know what happens to everybody. But I
think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention but
has no There's no way that she's going to find
herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party in
my opinion. So I don't spend too much time and
(35:34):
saying something like like Governor hot Wheels. I don't even
think Greg Abbott cares, because I don't think that anyone
expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The only thing
that upsets me is that she shares a name with
the greatest coffee company of all time, which happens to
also be named for a great American hero. It's a
great name, you know. It's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name,
(35:56):
which look, the crocket is Crockett. Yeah, yeah, it's a
there's different spellings of it. In fact, Davies spelled his
name or there are different spellings of his name during
his life because of the sort of derivation of it
from the Scottish ishlands. Yeah, fun facts for everybody. There,
you go. I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I'm not the kind of person who obviously a lot
of people say awful things going to shock you about
me or buck. I'm not the kind of person who
like grabs my pearls and falls onto a fainting couch.
So I wouldn't encourage. I understand some people are like,
this is beyond the pale, this is outrageous. I think
the way to deal with something like this again, if
I were giving advice to Greg Abbott would be with humor,
because Governor hot Wheels is actually kind of a funny nickname,
(36:38):
and you can throw it back on her by leaning
into the humor and proving that you are going to
mock her by doing so. I think that's a smart
way to attack it. But I do think that this
is emblematic of them not really having a strategy. The fact,
I agree with you, the Jasmine Crockett does doesn't have
(37:00):
a next level right If you think about it in
a sports term, you're like, Okay, you're the kind of
boxer that can knock out somebody who's a so called
Tomata can, but you don't have heavyweight title aspirations, Like
you're kind of just a mid range guy in the
boxing world. I think that's where Jasmin Crockett is. I
think they have aspirations that AOC could be their heavyweight.
(37:21):
I think they think, I agree with you, that they
could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is my prediction.
I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce that he's
not going to run for reelection. Remember he won reelection
in twenty two, so he doesn't leave until twenty eight.
I think he'll announce he's not running an endorseer twenty three.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Here Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not stepping down play
twenty three. Look, I'm not stepping down. And let me
just say this.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I knew when I cast my vote against the government shutdown,
that it would be that there'd be a lot of controversy,
and there was. But I let me tell you and
your audience why I did it, why I felt was
so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know, the
continuing Resolution, but a shutdown would be fifteen or twenty
times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole
(38:12):
power to determine what is quote essential, and they can
determine without any court supervision. The courts have ruled it's
solely up to the executive what to shut down. With
Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote, they
would eviscerate the federal government.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Clay, he's saying, I'm still the best shot that we
have for leadership on the Democrat side. As said, I'm
not stepping down, and I don't see anybody who poses.
You know, the option here would be and this is
what Bernie Sanders I think, was referring to who could
run in the Senate against Schumer from New York AOC.
(38:55):
But I think Democrats are very about this. Remember Bernie Clay,
this is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was
at CNN in twenty fifteen when the Democrats were running
their primary, and you know into twenty sixteen when Democrats
are running their primary and all of the CNN commentators
(39:15):
would say out of the side the Democrats would say,
out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really
got the base and Bernie's really and then they'd go
on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus
and they knew it was gonna happen to be like, well,
we know that Hillary is really Bernie's great, but Hillary,
but off there they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really where
the bases? They totally they they scammed Bernie out of
(39:36):
the nomination twice. And it's twice and it's because mean,
we all saw this, right, and it's because came out
in some of the Wiki League stuff. And it's all
because they recognized that the whole game Democrats have to
play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.
And you can't be too honest about this because you
can't win fifty one percent of the electorate if you
tell people you're actually a socialist. But with AOC do
(40:00):
they think that there's some new era they are entering
where they can do a rebrand I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think what's gonna happen with Schumer is Republicans if
they get the right candidates, and I think they are
are going to pick up seats.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
In the Senate.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I believe in twenty twenty six, I think Georgia f
Brian Kemp the governor will run. I think that New
Hampshire if they can get Snunu is the governor right now,
right whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I
think it was him. I might have screwed up his name.
Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there.
(40:38):
I think if I were setting over under on pickups
in the Senate, I would set it at one and
a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans
come out at twenty twenty six in the Senate with
fifty five senators versus forty five at that point in time,
with only two years left on his term, I think
Schumer will announce this is his final term, and I
think he will set the stage for AOC to come
(41:00):
the Senator from New York. And to your point, Buck,
I think that will then set the table for her
to be president. Now to run for president now she
may not even want to be in the Senate because
the argument is does she need to be in the
Senate to run for president in twenty twenty eight. Remember,
everybody's running for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight. They're
gonna have twenty five names out there. Republican side maybe
(41:23):
not as many because it looks like Jade Vance is
going to be gobbling up if things keep going well,
a lot of money and a lot of endorsements, but
the Democrat side, everybody is running.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just
the fact that we have initials for her and everybody
knows who we're talking about. She has huge social media recognized.
This is as soon as we were talking about this,
I think was in January after Electric Class, Like, you
know what, I think it'll be, And occasionally I waiver
on it because she'll have such a stupid SoundBite, but
(41:53):
it doesn't Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president. Look
at Joe Biden. But AOC as the media profile, and
I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an all out.
It's when I say media, I don't mean who can
get on CBS News, I mean social media, Internet recognizability,
(42:15):
ability to direct a news cycle, ability to kind of
capture public attention. It's really hard to win in politic
Look me, look at Trump is a is an entertainment
phenomenon as much as he is a political phenomenon. And
those two things I think go hand in hand. Now,
this is why I don't think somebody like you know,
(42:35):
people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer. No, you know, she plays
well enough with Democrats in Michigan. But I just don't
think that she's She doesn't have the name, she doesn't
have the profile, she doesn't have the sizzle. If you will,
and I know some of you will laugh at me.
I'm gonna remember who was laughing at me. But AOC
is a It's like she's a character in American politics.
(42:58):
It's different. She's not just a politics she's a politician celebrity.
She's pretty. She may clazier, she's pretty. I mean, look,
I think you have to talk about cosmetic aspects. Yeah, no,
it matters, You're right. I just think it's funny. She's
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, she is pretty, but I think she also could
have a kid. I mean, some of you are going
to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's
married now, right, If she has a kid, it makes
her more relatable for a lot of people out there.
I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I
would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be
(43:34):
I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets
exposed sometimes, and you're right that that may not matter,
but I think if she's going up against let's say, like,
I think may Or Pete has almost no chance because
he's a gay white guy, and black guys are not
going to vote for a gay white guy. But I
think may Or Pete is actually a pretty smart guy,
right Like I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren
(43:57):
she's too old now, but she's intelligent. There are Gavin
Newsom is evil evil Keanu Reeves, but I don't think
he's a moron.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I think he's just an inveterate liar.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
There are people I think that would expose AOC in
an intellectual game.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Again. I know I sound like and you know you
can throw whatever heat you wanted me everyone, But I
think AOC she is ignorant, but she is savvy. And
savvy may be a meaning she doesn't know very much,
but she's cunning, and that may be enough. I just
keep an eye on it. I think a people who
(44:35):
could be around her and write the speeches and tell
her to memorize the talking points to, you know, and
she doesn't have dementia. She's got that going for her,
which doesn't have that going for her. That is very nice.
We'll come back.
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Welcome back to Clay and Buck everybody. We are very
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Doctor Laura, I just say it's an honor to speak
to you because I've been hearing your voice ever since
I got married because my wife is a longtime doctor
Laura listener. And let me tell you, I am very thankful.
I am very thankful for it.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Well, then she's your girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
She's the best. She's fantastic. You know. I come home
and we got married, and I came home and there's
dinner on the table and I say, honey, I want
to go to the shooting range with the guys. She says,
you need guide time. You know all these rules and lessons.
And then I found this book, their Proper Care and
Feeding of Husbands, which is dog eared and underlined and
everything else. I tell you, I got married a little
(47:21):
later in life, doctor Laura. So I got married around
forty I think it was forty one. And my wife
has absolutely loved my life. She's absolutely fantastic. We're about
to have a baby in a couple of weeks, so
everything is going. And I really want to have you
on in part just to thank you because and this
comes from my wife as well. I think you give
so many women such incredibly important and powerful advice for
(47:47):
them to have great, meaningful lives as wives, as mothers.
Is so I'm always whenever Carrie starts saying, doctor Laura says,
I start nod in my head. Yep, that's great. She
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(48:08):
read the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands. I also
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In a couple of weeks, we will be welcoming our
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what is your advice for ensuring our solid and healthy
marriage stays intact after the first baby comes. Thank you
(48:31):
for all you do.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
You don't stop having your hands all over each other.
That means when you're walking around, That means when one
of you takes a shower, maybe we could, you know,
save on water, we could both be in the shower.
It's really the physicality and the silliness. Everybody thinks it's
got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which
you and I both know. Guys, don't enjoy. So the
(48:56):
more physical you are with each other and the more
cute you are with each other, that's really all you need.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
I love it. That's really good advice.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Now I don't even know what my wife has sent in,
but there is audio. She went and used the app
and then she needed more space, so she said, just give.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Context for how long? How long have you been married?
Tell doctor Laura how Yeah, so I've been married man
twenty one years, will be August. So I've been married
over twenty years now. We have three boys, seventeen, fourteen,
and ten year old. And here is what my wife,
Lara wanted to ask you.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
Listen, Clay and I are parents of boys, and thus
far I think we have weathered adolescents fairly well. However,
some of our friends who have daughters, their experiences, the
way they talk about it sound very different. In fact,
some of them say raising daughters through adolescents is a
(49:56):
complete nightmare. I have a friend this morning tell me
that she feels she's coming home to a bag of
snakes every day when she comes home to her adolescent daughters,
which is funny but harsh. So, in general, do you
have some great advice for parents going through adolescence with
(50:17):
their children. Obviously the children are going through adolescents. And
do you have different advice for parents of girls weathering
adolescents versus parents of boys weathering adolescence.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Thank you, I thought you were just going to have
me on for a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's going to.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Take me about half an hour to get through. Let
me try to bring it down number one, whether it's
a boy or a girl, that it's a tight family
that does things together, that is sweet with each other.
That the father spends time with the daughter, the father
spends time with the son, the mother spends time and
the family is always together for dinner if they have
(50:57):
to go do sports.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Things or what have you.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
That you know, that's a very important part of the family.
People keep divvying it up. Yeah, there are differences in
how you raise girls from boys, and I'd have to
come back another time to go through that. But the
first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands
and wives in the physical and the cuteness, the I
was with a family and I thought, and I talked
(51:22):
about them on my air, that this was the best
family I had seen in decades. Anytime anybody got something,
may I would you send me?
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Could I have?
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Please?
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Thank you. Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.
That is not something that families do. You have two
career families. You have all kinds of other stuff going
on in the house, and it's not a family, it's
mother and father and kids. But when it's a family,
(51:56):
when people are always saying please and thank you and
show concerned for each other and discipline and kind ways
with understanding and compassion, you'd be surprised how it minimizes
how crazy it gets. And also take your kids out
of public school.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Wow, doctor Laurie, We're definitely going to have to have
you back, and I'm really looking forward to all the
questions and comments we're gonna get from the audience about
you coming on and just beginning this arc of wisdom.
And like I said, as a husband and a very
happy husband who does completely adore his wife, and I
you know, it's so important that I think women get
a lot of the messaging and men and men, but
(52:34):
that we both get a lot of the messaging that
you're putting out there. And I wanted you to address
something that's more just sort of general for the country
right now. You know, we talk here about politics and
national security and education, all these different things, but the
importance of family and marriage is central. Should be central,
Maybe should be is a better word these days. You know,
there's a story just out today and it says and
(52:55):
that the headline is American women are giving up on marriage,
and one of the lines from it as American women
have never been this resigned to staying signal single. They
are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing
gender gaps in economic and education attainment, and beliefs about
what a family should look like. What is going on
and how do we fix it?
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Not enough fathers in the home raising sons to be
men of honor and courage and principle. And that's basically again,
the women have gone through the feminist thing where men
are the evil empire and all this negativity toward masculinity.
It's all toxic. I think it's wonderful. Give me a
(53:41):
guy with the cowboy hat and boots, and I pay
attention because there's a sense that there's a strength there.
And women like to feel protected. That's probably the number
one thing women don't admit they want to feel protected.
And that's why they like those silly books where there's
this ripped guy on the cover and she's being carried
(54:02):
you into safety. Why do they read those things at
such large amounts Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent as
we can be, we want to be protected. And men
have not been brought up to be that anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Are you more?
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You've been doing this for fifty years, and Buck just
laid out. A marriage is becoming less common. A lot
of men are not present in homes. Unfortunately, the overall
birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing. Are you
more or less optimistic about the future of the family
unit today than when you started? How would you analyze
(54:40):
the scope of relationship that you've seen over fifty years.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (54:45):
No, I was more optimistic than that. I am now
because there have been so many forces. We have, like
one or two generations now I think are lost. These
are young people who are not being brought up that
you finished school and you aim to be in do things,
and you make a family and you raise kids and
you have communities. And that was how I was brought up,
(55:06):
and it was all this optimism. Now you have throngs
of kids who have no idea where they can go
and what they can be, and so they get involved
in all of these cliques like non binary, and you know,
I belong now to a group of people who are
equally lost and don't have an identity and don't have
(55:27):
a direction and don't have a sense of self other
than I can belong to this community. It's like what
we used to look at with groupies with rock stars.
This is what's happening. So I'm worried. Be honest with you,
I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
But the one little.
Speaker 5 (55:42):
Piece of optimism I have is I'm still here. People
are still calling. Somebody wants the help to pull it
back together again and make life meaningful in something you
can feel comfortable and safe with and productive and loving
and reach all of that. So as long as I
(56:03):
still get that response, I keep my optimism up.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
That's a great line. You just laid out some of
the challenges. How much do you think it has to
do with kids getting phones too young? What advice would
you give parents out there? My wife asked a question
about adolescens, but what advice would you give to parents
about social media and about what they allow their kids
to be exposed to, particularly on the internet.
Speaker 5 (56:31):
Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think. You know,
you can push up against a tsunami, but it takes
just everybody lining up. I tell people that they're irresponsible
parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any minor
child period. Get them a flip phone that takes calls.
Speaker 6 (56:51):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
No texting, no Internet. And instead of spending one's time
with screens, how about we actually have families that do
stuff together. I mean, my kid was talk about a
screen though. We would watch Law and Order as a
whole family, and then we would sit here and we
would go I think he did it.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
No, I think she did it.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
And so it was all of this thinking through using
pieces of information. And I just read today that our
children are really suffering the inability to have fine motor
skills because they're not playing with crayons, they're not playing
with scissors, They're just sitting there like that. And so
we're actually losing physicality. I mean, is that not shocking.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
It's it's amazing. And we think about all the influences
that are on kids these days and what they're being
told and how I think a lot of them are
being set up for misery. I mean, doctor Laura, you know,
yes you have. I agree. The metrics these days, and
the metrics for young women in particular in terms of
happiness self describe happiness. It's terrifying in terms of how
(57:54):
bad it is. How do we start? Oh yeah, turn again.
You're going up against the tsunami. But how do we
start to turn that around?
Speaker 5 (58:01):
Well, I just it popped into my head as you
were asking me the question. Look at all the very
intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions
of power in our government. I am so enthralled with that.
And I think that's wonderful for young women to have
something to aspire to keep my act clean. No more
(58:24):
shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.
I want to be like that lady who's now running
the whatever it is. So having role models like that,
you know, I have people calling who say I was
in a car seat in the back of my parents'
car listening to you, and now I have kids and
I'm using what I've learned. So anytime you can be
(58:47):
a positive influence.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Do it. My wife makes fun of me because I
just always sit there in the car when she turns
you on, just like doctor Laura's right. So I'm telling
you this. I was like, we have to have doctor
Lauren's like doctor Laura's right, and carry looks. She goes, Oh,
I know, Clay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Last question for you, and we appreciate your time. And
you're certainly a radio legend. You've been so influential for
so long when the modern era, Like I was reading
the other day, the number of successful women that are
choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a
child with instead of an actual man is staggering to me.
(59:24):
What kind of world experiences me?
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Okay, I wanted to get your.
Speaker 5 (59:28):
Ta me makes me angry because kids need a dad.
And I just say to these women, oh that's not well.
I have money and I can take care of me.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
I don't care about that.
Speaker 5 (59:39):
You had a mommy and a daddy, and I'm sure
that meant something to you. Now you're going to rob
a kit of a dad because it's convenient for you
not to commit and give of yourself and be vulnerable
to another human being and be invested in each other's
lives beautifully. That's a real shame. That's a real shame.
That is so selfish.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I don't like it. Doctor Laura. We gotta have
we gotta have you back, because you know, for you
to solve all problems of relationships and family and shirt
child rearing in about ten minutes is asking a lot.
But you didn't know a remarkable job. Guys. There's so
many books. I mean, the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.
I've actually got Carrie's very dog eared and underlined copy
in my hand, a great book. And go to doctor
(01:00:22):
Laura dot com because she's doing some great charity work too.
Doctor Laura, we'd love to have you back, and thanks
for being here.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
I would love it. Thank you, guys, and I love
listening to you too.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh well, thank you so much. Thank you very much.
I like that. That's right, that's how we do it.
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